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‘A Step in the Right Direction’: Obama’s Gun Control Proposals Get Support From the Vatican
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VATICAN CITY (AP) — The Vatican praised President Barack Obama’s proposals for curbing gun violence, saying they are a “step in the right direction.”
The Vatican’s chief spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi, said Saturday that 47 religious leaders have appealed to members of the U.S. Congress “to limit firearms that are making society pay an unacceptable price in terms of massacres and senseless deaths.”
“I am with them,” Lombardi said, in an editorial carried on Vatican Radio, lining up the Vatican’s moral support in favor of firearm limits.
`’The initiatives announced by the American administration for limiting and controlling the spread and use of weapons are certainly a step in the right direction,” Lombardi said.
Obama is trying to rally support for reinstating a ban on assault weapons and requiring background checks on all gun sales. He faces stiff opposition in the U.S. Congress and from powerful gun lobbies.
Considering that Americans possess `’about 300 million firearms,” Lombardi said, `’people cannot fool themselves that it is enough to limit the number and use (of guns) to impede in the future horrendous massacres like that of Newtown that shook the conscience of America and world, as well as that of children and adults. `’
He was referring to the Newtown, Connecticut, elementary school where 20 children and six adults were killed by a sole attacker last month.
`’But it would be worse to be satisfied with words” of condemnation alone, Lombardi said. And while massacres are `’carried out by unbalanced or hate-driven persons, there is no doubt that they are carried out with firearms,” the Vatican spokesman said.
Lombardi renewed Vatican appeals for disarmament and encouragement for measures to fight “the production, commerce and contraband of all types of arms,” an industry fueled by `’enormous economic and power interests.”
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TotallyNotATroll
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 2:37pmA disconnected foreigner supports it, shouldn’t we all then?
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Ojebuss
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 3:03pmReally your linking “The Onion”?
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drs1969
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 3:07pmI wouldn’t say disconnected. Look how they have stacked the Supreme Ct. Last I knew, it was 6 Catholics, 3 Jews. Not a single Protestant, in a predominantly Protestant nation! They’re pulling strings.
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robpardee
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 3:12pm@Sendthemeteors
Firstly, you cannot buy assault weapons, the term is being used by the liberal media to make our legal semi-auto carbines sound scary to influence the uninformed.
Secondly, if you honestly believe that the conservatives WANT to supply the weapons to the crazies then your proving your one of the misinformed…The “Gun Control” that is supported are things like universal background checks with NO registration, education and addressing mental health. The fact of the matter is no matter what method is chosen any crazy or terrorist can and will find a way to hurt people if they desire regardless of the method chosen. Doesn’t matter if it’s a firearm, car, plane, bomb (which are illegal by the way but some have still been used), knife or a rock. Gun control leads to more attacks on innocent law abiding citizens. I have a rifle, mostly 22lr I use it for target practice and I have alot of fun with my friends shooting in the back yard with an appropriate backstop and safety and I have no desires or interest in hurting ANYONE….EVER but if someone tries to kill me I will defend myself.
How about some Gang Control intead of gun control, the vast majority of gun murders are by gang members anyway!
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kaydeebeau
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 3:18pmHAving just returned form the Guns Across America Rally in Nashville – one of the speakers made a good point – instead of talking about “gun crimes” and “gun violence” why don’t we focus of the criminal and the violent regardless of the tools they choose to use? “Gun bans don’t disarm criminals, gun bans attract them” – Walter Mondale (I know I was shocked that he actually said something smart)
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Snafu777
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 3:20pmYo, Meteors, the Onion is a parody of news organizations, not something to take seriously. Do you get your televised newscasts from Colbert and Jon Stewart? Most of the NRA is fine with the laws already in place, I know few in favor of adding more red tape to it.
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lel2007
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 3:22pmDear SENDTHEMETEORS,
Exactly what is an “assault weapon” ? Can you describe one so that we’ll all be able to identify them?
Interesting that while obama & Co. work to eliminate firearms in America, they intend to give fighter jets to the Egyptian muslin brotherhood.
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Snafu777
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 3:29pm@lel 2007 A muslin brotherhood? Muslin is pretty comfortable, I hear. Will they all be wearing it, making it, or just waving around like a bunch of crazy people? I want in.
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BlackCrow
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 3:36pm@Sendintheclowns
The Onion? Get real! I am an NRA life member and I DO NOT support your “common sense gun control” because there is no such thing. If you think The Onion is real news then your comments just prove 10 out of 10 idiots support Obama.
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lel2007
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 3:40pmOh my googness ! Someone found a SPELLING ERROR !
Let mee currect it hear – ‘Mushlem’.
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Snafu777
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 4:03pmGood one lel… had me rollin.
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Trigus
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 4:06pmsendinthemixbagofnutz never quotes or links anything this is from a reputable source. When confronted with the facts – send crawls back under the base boards.
The Pope – Vatican should more worry about their skeletons in the closet. Inside of worrying about Firearms in the US.
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Keatonc33
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 4:48pmRobpardee.. you said “How about some Gang Control intead of gun control, the vast majority of gun murders are by gang members anyway!” and “Secondly, if you honestly believe that the conservatives WANT to supply the weapons to the crazies then your proving your one of the misinformed”
Thats exactly what universal background checks and Gun registration and a database is set up to do! A study in the late 80s found that almost 60% of guns found at crime scenes can be traced back to one dealer. However thanks to legislation passed by republican congressmen, like Todd Tiahrt, It is made illegal for the ATF to share information with police forces, All background check records must be destroyed within 24 hours, prohibits the ATF from checking gun dealers records or inventory, Also Its law, thanks to the GOP, that senate must approve an ATF director. which it has refused to do for 6 years, The ATF is prohibited from creating a registration for gun transactions, Has denied congress access to crime data, and ended the oversight of used fire arms sales. These all laws from Conservative congressmen so saying that conservatives want to supply crazies with guns is pretty spot on.
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Keatonc33
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 4:50pmand Snafu. the NRA is fine with the laws that are in place because they supported a bill taking all power away from the ATF to regulate gun sells in America.. of course they’re ok with the laws on the books. They made it so those laws can’t be unforced. That being said recent polls have shown that somewhere around 70% of NRA members support gun control
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barber2
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 5:12pmCLAIRE and her WANSER are Trolling today even more than METEOR who at least used the phrase ” fringe right ” rather than the usual Lefty juvenile ” Tea ****** ” or Beckerhead ! We all hope that Claire and her ” wan-ser ” find employment in this terrible Obama economy…
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DSTSS2010
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 5:27pmSENDTHEMETEORS
I love the way you “enlightened” people always claim to know the will of the majority of people.
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barber2
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 5:30pmEveryone : I know you will be surprised to learn that both Claire and her wan-ser and Mary and her bra just joined the Blaze TODAY. Guess they work 24/7 at Obama Media headquarters ! Oh, how they hate Beck !
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LeoNine
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 6:21pmWell, I suppose you really should expect this. I mean, after all, when the Roman soldiers came to take Jesus away, the civilian population must have been terrified when the soldiers levelled their AK-47s at them, and, ummm. . .errr . . .ummm, wait a minute, I gotta look something up.
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Wolf
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 6:34pmSend- ‘most Americans’ aren’t even asked about this issue. If they were, the polls would be much different. Evidence for this: cf gun purchases the last five years, and especially the last three months.
For one NRA member- me- there is no compromise on this. Not one more ‘compromise; where I lose more and gain nothing but another boot in the ass. No compromise whatever unless it comes from the liberal left and they surrender their rights, every one.
Any more talk of ‘compromise’ should be done at the end of a rope so far as I’m concerned.
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yougottabekidding
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 6:37pmKeatonc33
Now there is another stupid statement!
Yes I am for gun control it’s on my hip and it is controlled!
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Wolf
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 6:45pmLombardi-san claims, “…`βpeople cannot fool themselves that it is enough to limit the number and use (of guns) to impede in the future horrendous massacres…”
We’re not fooling ourselves, Your Low-Lifeness. The horrendous massacres you speak of will not happen so long as there are armed Americans. Disarm us and what do you think you’ll get less of: Sandyhook? Third Reich? Fewer Stalins? No more Adolphs? Peace and safety in Algiers? Somalia? RSA? England?
Like all liberals, the catholic church is joining a united front to establish a one world order- hoping it is in control, or at least a seat at the head of the table.
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yougottabekidding
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 7:04pmWhy don’t go tell that to Hezbollah, or in any other Muslim country.
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encinom
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 9:28pmI thought Beckerheads took a pledge to stand with Catholics, or is it Beckerheads only stands with Catholic leadership when it embrasses the President.
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Max jones
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 11:05pmThe problem with gun control is that nearly all of the guns used in criminal acts are…. already…wait for it….ILLEGAL! Restricting the availability of fire arms to LEGAL owners will not affect that at all.
Killers will kill, and will use whatever they can get to do it…..but gun control only limits responsible owners…..who possibly could prevent violence by the “crazies”.
Libs need to arm themselves. To protect themselves from the same people conservatives do.
And, just how are restrictive gun laws going to be enforced? Sounds bloody to me. There is enough good ole boys, who don’t trust this government, already…..back them into a corner at your own risk.
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Ohello
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 11:10pmThe Catholic Church was long ago infiltrated with communist operatives as priests focused on destruction of the Church and of this Nation. Pedophiles etc. became priests, 800 of them per episode aired on Catholic Answers.
Not to disparage the Pope but Catholics (the Church of Rome) is slated to play a big role in the end times (on the wrong side of course.) Patriotic Americans Catholic or otherwise ought not to allow the Pope to intervene on Constitutional matters. It is bad when the Church or any other religion particularly the atheist one of the communists now in power have a role in the government.
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JohnofOregon
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 12:23amSend in the meteors, I can kill the snooty view point of reasonable with one question.
Legally define ” assault weapon” or “assault rifle” . What is the difference between a Remington skeet shotgun and an m-16 single shot ? ……I thought so.
What is the difference between a law enforcement flock and a semi auto sport shot gun?
What is the preferred weapon for a drug gang professional? Mob hit man ( or woman) ?
We need to get the federal government out of this discussion. Non of them can answer either.
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JohnofOregon
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 12:25amWhat happened to Obama slandering our religion and our guns?
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Chuck Stein
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 1:21amThey “appealed to members of the U.S. Congress ‘to limit firearms that are making society pay an unacceptable price in terms of massacres and senseless deaths.’ β
They probably have no clue that we currently have limitations on firearms. They certainly have no clue that limitations on firearms currently being considered focus on aesthetics and other pointless matters. So what? A good sound bite is what matters.
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JohnofOregon
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 1:27amgood one,
planned parenthood harvests 1.4 million babies a year on government fund and sells many of them, and these guys in DC want to preach morals to the rest of us.
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longun45
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 1:37amI would remind the Vatican. Machetes have been used far more in the last 30 years than guns, does Chad ring a bell?
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poorrichard09
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 8:49amThe Pope is originally from Germany-has he forgotten how the Nazis took power-by first confiscating the guns?
And, yes-why should we care what a foreigner thinks?
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G-WHIZ
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 10:33amNo crimminal or Holder-gunz-givaway ever buys gunz! Hears’ a hint: THEY STEAL THEM!!
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MAGPIE69
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 1:42pmThe Vatican knows little and remembers less. Italian, French, and German Jews were rounded up for extermination. They were unable to defend themselves because of gun control. The Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto, though barely armed, were able to hold off the Nazis for a while. With more guns, more Jews would be alive today.
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rbole
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 6:22pmI am always amazed how the Catholic hierarcy can preach that we are responsible for our actions and that we can use what is available to us for good or evil yet they do not want us to have a chance to choose the good. A gun is not good or bad; what we do with it is good or bad. Now maybe they can proclaim that our president and congress is evil and that they should be baned. How can they not see the evil in our government officials and how that evil enslaves many of our citizens in poverty yet they can some how see an inantimate object as evil. I think they have been listening to the Jesuits for too long with their liberation theology. This pope proclaimed that theology to be evil yet he appears to be using it. He seems to be saying that the end justifies the means. That baning good peopple with guns is justified. I guess he is more liberal than I thought.
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VaderActs
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 8:04pmJust what we need! Guidance and support from a religion that can’t stop abuse in their own ranks. “They don’t need guns to attack children”. This guys had too much JUICE! Pedophile control is what he meant.
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Chuck Stein
Posted on January 21, 2013 at 12:41am@ longun45
“Machetes have been used far more in the last 30 years than guns, does Chad ring a bell?”
Well, Rwanda rings a much BIGGER bell — and a lot of the victims of machetes there were even Catholics.
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DonaldH
Posted on January 21, 2013 at 6:40amHmmm, isn’t there some evidence the Vatican supported and helped the Nazi’s with the “Final Sollution” or is that just all a bunch propaganda the left likes to trot out when ever the Vatican is opposing the left wing regime…
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SocialistSlayer
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 2:36pmAs a Catholic – one of the few that actually attends mass each week, I am one step from telling the Pope and the Catholic Church to go to Hell ! First they support Communist obama and his Health Care Tax, now taking our guns from us. These people are the biggest bunch of pansies and Hypocrites on the planet !
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Gr8ful1jim
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 2:52pmAs a Catholic too, I understand that they are taking a European approach to the situation in the US. I am not going to turn my back on our faith, but I am going to stand up and educate those in the Church that feel it is right to ban firearms. My pastor and priest that serve our small parish believe as we do. It is not the hardware that causes the killing, but Americans support for the culture of death that is prevalent. Don’t leave the Church…let the Bishops know how you feel, and don’t stop telling it like it really is.
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Max jones
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 3:08pmI get a lot of flack about my stand against the globalist Roman church.
I have looked and searched for ANY holiness coming out of the Vatican…IT IS NOT THERE!! All I find is a WORLDLY, manipulative, and SOCIALISTIC agenda, crowning a violent and murderous record of social domination and religious intolerance, especially toward those Christians who actually understand the scriptures and the imminent advent of supernatural evil, in the character of global theocracy.
As an apostate catholic who has been saved from this deceit, and the outright lies that The Roman church has foisted on the world, I say “look out catholics of the world…… you have been used and deluded by the devil himself
Do your own research.
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drs1969
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 3:09pmThey’re looking toward that One World Gov. Never get there if we’re all armed.
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All Pro
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 3:36pmWhat do you expect from a church that sold salvation to the Nazis during WWII?
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lel2007
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 3:37pmThe Vaticanβs chief spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi, said Saturday that 47 religious leaders have appealed to members of the U.S. Congress βto limit firearms that are making society pay an unacceptable price in terms of massacres and senseless deaths.β
βI am with them,β Lombardi said, in an editorial carried on Vatican Radio, lining up the Vaticanβs moral support in favor of firearm limits.
THERE IS NO MENTION OF THE POPE’S OPINION. The Vatican has its own share of evil infiltrators.
“Watch out that you are not deceived.”
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Max jones
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 4:50pm“The leader of the Catholic Church, Pope Benedict XVI, has called for the establishment of World Government and a New World Order.
In a speech made at the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace on Monday December 3 2012, the Pope called for the βconstruction of a world community, with a corresponding authority,β to serve the βcommon good of the human familyβ.ο»Ώ
As a means of defending global peace and justice, the popeβs vision for the establishment of World Government and a New World Order is supposedly not to create a new superpower, but a new governing body that offers to those (politicians) who are responsible for making decisions, criteria for judgment and practical guidelines.
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marybethelizabeth
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 4:50pmSo were you out at the anti abortion rallys held all over the country today socialistslayer?
Are you making the anti abortion novena that started today?
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Keatonc33
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 4:52pmdo me a favor. could you explain to me how Obama care is a communist bill, and if it is then shouldn’t we start calling the founding fathers communist for starting the Postal service, military, police and fire departments? So which is it? are our founding fathers commies? or is Obama not one?
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Platonician
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 4:57pmPlease don’t take the anti-christian bait. Read the full editorial and you will see that position of Father Lombardi is more nuanced and it addresses the problem from an international perspective.
http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2013/01/19/lombardi_editorial:_against_arms/en1-657075
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jcldwl
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 5:04pm@ maxjones
You are right on brother. It all started with the Romans who adopted paganism and hid it in the church in the guise of saint worship. No where and I mean no where in the bible is there anything said about worshiping saints or Mary yet Catholics do it all the time. Do some research people like max has and free yourself from the lies.
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Platonician
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 5:22pm@Max jones I know that you are a fanatic anti-catholic, but please stop accusing the Church of the evils of this twisted world. You are projecting your own experiences… The truth is that the Church has educated, fed, healed, comforted millions across the World. To this day it keeps working with the poor, teaching the children, etc.
@jcldwl The Bible you hold so dear, was preserved and even compiled by the Catholic Church. Its doctors have spent centuries studying it, without the Wisdom of the Church, you are just an easy prey for the atheists.
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PatriotSunDevil
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 7:38pmHi Slayer,
I know that is not easy to say but it has to be said. I, even as a Methodist, recognize the importance of the Pope in the practice of Christianity. The Holy Father should concentrate on being Pope Benedict and not Benedict Arnold.
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iampraying4u
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 7:41pmWhat do you expect he is romen catholic
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GetOuttaMyPocket
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 8:50pmI am Catholic too & I agree with you. The US Bishops were one of the 1st groups to support Obamacare, then of course had to whine about abortion & birth control later. There is no way that they were ignorant enough to believe that abortion & birth control would not be included in Obamacare. I am fed up.
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encinom
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 9:34pmReagan in a 1994 letter also supported Gun Control, maybe its you and the rest of the gun nuts that are on the wrong side of the issue. How many more tiny caskets filled with first graders do you people need, before you reject the paranoia of Beck and the NRA?
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Small World
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 11:01pmYou must watch http://patdollard.com .I was shocked this guy is the Catholic version of Glenn.
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Max jones
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 11:40pmThe biggest threat to catholics is the roman church…..How can they defend the faith when it is all tangled with politics and the never ending money/power grab that IS the Roman church.
Platonician is deluded.
If John Wayne Gacy were to write his autobiography, he would appear to be a family man, who paints clowns and loooves children.
King James bible was considered blasphemy by the the Roman church for centuries. They still resist teaching from the books of Daniel and Revelation, because the roman church is represented unfavorably. Scarlet whore, with hands covered in innocent blood.
I definitely stand against.
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Marine25
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 5:09pmIt’s as if the pope wants us to beat our swords into plowshares, what commie books has he been reading?
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Colin Maynerdson III
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 8:55pmThe Pope’s proclamations on immigration always make me laugh. Imagine if 12 million immigrants showed up at the Vatican, and started demanding welfare benefits. The Pope would change his tune on illegal immigration in a heartbeat.
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Dismayed Veteran
Posted on January 21, 2013 at 1:28pmAs a Catholic, I will only obey the doctrine and the dogma of my church. This pronoucement is neither.
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Dismayed Veteran
Posted on January 21, 2013 at 1:33pmHow many times have we read the following”
The only thing that protects people from an evil man with a gun is a good man with a gun.
Banning and/or controlling guns harms only the good man and enables the evil man.
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ldonnell
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 2:36pmnow that the printable gun and magazine have become reality, aren’t gun bans just a silly political ploy?
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Arshloch
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 2:30pmSupport from the operator of the most gun protected city in the world is not a hot item; Otto.
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CathyvanDyke
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 2:56pmArshloch
It is outright hypocrisy!
Why are snipers a routine part of the Holy Father’s security?
Answer
In addition to being the spiritual head of the Catholic Church, the pope is the temporal head of Vatican City. In other words, he is a head of state. The U.S. president and the queen of England have fully armed security details, so it should not be a surprise that the Pope does as well. Do not forget that John Paul II survived an assassination attempt in 1981. It makes sense that the Vatican would seek to prevent anyone else from trying again to harm a pope.
http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/why-are-snipers-a-routine-part-of-the-holy-fathers-security
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CathyvanDyke
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 3:03pmHypocrisy!! Something akin to the American elite.
Obama signs bill granting lifetime Secret Service protection to former presidents and spouses
January 10, 2013
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-01-10/politics/36273120_1_obama-signs-bill-secret-service-protection-children-of-former-presidents
NRA – STAND AND FIGHT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miSjgv1MH7s
NRA: Media Speaks for the Elite; America Speaks For Itself
http://nation.foxnews.com/nra/2013/01/16/new-nra-ad-media-speaks-elites-american-speaks-itself
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CathyvanDyke
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 3:37pmDownright hypocrisy!!!
Something akin to the the mentality of the American elitist?
NRA β STAND AND FIGHT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miSjgv1MH7s
NRA: The media speaks for elites, American speaks for itself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=133DC4LU3zw
Obama signs bill granting lifetime Secret Service protection to former presidents and spouses
January 10, 2013
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-01-10/politics/36273120_1_obama-signs-bill-secret-service-protection-children-of-former-presidents
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BlackCrow
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 2:29pmYou would think a German Pope would recognize the dangers of a tyrannical dictator and the need for an armed citizenry as a counter balance.
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SocialistSlayer
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 2:33pmHe doesn’t because he is an idiot !
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TRILO
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 3:46pmWas he not part of the Hitler youth?
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Keatonc33
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 4:53pmhe was a Nazi back in the day
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civilwarcometh
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 11:13pmYes he was in the nazi youth and it was in Poland not Germany.
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by faith
Posted on January 21, 2013 at 11:10amPope John Paul II was from Poland.
This Pope, Pope Benedict was born in Marktl, Bavaria, Germany.
In 1939, aged 12, he enrolled in seminary in Traunstein. Until the seminary was closed for military use in 1942, the students were all sent home. Following his 14th birthday in 1941, Ratzinger was enrolled in the Hitler Youth, as membership was legally required.
In 1943, when he was 16, Joseph Ratzinger was drafted with many of his classmates into the Luftwaffenhelfer program. They were posted first to Ludwigsfeld, north of Munich, as part of a detachment responsible for guarding a BMW aircraft engine plant. Ratzinger served in a telephone communications post.
On 10 September 1944, his class was released from the Corps. Returning home, Ratzinger had already received a new draft notice for the Reichsarbeitsdienst. He was posted to the Hungarian border area of Austria. When Hungary was occupied by the Red Army Ratzinger was put to work setting up anti-tank defenses in preparation for the expected Red Army offensive.
On 20 November 1944, his unit was released from service. Joseph Ratzinger again returned home. After three weeks passed, he was drafted into the German army at Munich and assigned to the infantry barracks in the center of Traunstein. After basic infantry training, he served at various posts around the city with his unit. They were never sent to the front. In late April or early May, shortly before Germany’s surrender, he deserted.
One factual post!!
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ThankYouFounders
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 2:29pmThis is the same “church’ that stood idly by while the Jews were herded aboard trains…so…..
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kaydeebeau
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 3:21pmThat is not true – Pope Pious (whichever – not sure the #) opened up every Catholic facility in Italy – monasteries, convents, the vatican itself to hide Jews during WWII
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barber2
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 5:21pmKAY: You have just won a round of Spot the Troll !
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Platonician
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 5:28pm@kaydeebeau
Pious XII, not only that but he also was a mediator between the German generals who tried to overthrow Hitler and Great Britain.
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ThankYouFounders
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 8:30pmI’m speaking more of the “church” (hence the quotations marks) in Germany that cowed to Hitler despite many inside the “church” such as Dietrich Bonhoeffer who tried warning them against the slippery slope.
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Friendofthe56
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 2:26pmHow about the “massacre” of ABORTION.
The Church fails God, and His “faithful”, by not crying out on a very forceful and daily basis on the killing of our unborn thru abortion.
The gun issue isn’t an issue at all in comparison to the carnage of abortion.
Furthermore .. Christ told His apostles to, “bring a sword!” He probably would have said, “bring a Glock!” if they’d had them then.
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momrules
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 2:50pmFor some reason the murders of millions of children through abortion just doesn’t seem to matter to the Pope or to the many Catholics that voted for Obama. Obama’s love affair with the homosexual community and his promotion of same sex marriage doesn’t seem to matter either.
As a Christian I have a lot of problems with those that claim to BE Christian but supported and still supports Obama and the Democrat party.
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christos
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 5:19pmmomrules – I agree,with your post.
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Platonician
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 5:35pm@momrules
The Catholic Church condemns abortion, homosexuality and same sex marriage!
Protestant “churchs” on the other hand have accepted such abominations!
Oh, and a many more protestants voted for Obama.
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jmiller135
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 2:26pmJust received E-mail from our Dem senator Robert Cassy here in Pa. He has kissed his masters ring and will vote for assault weapons and clip ban. Can anybody remember the Constitution, it use to mean something to us. This adminstration has shown to the liberals and Demecrats that it’s nothing but gum that’s stuck to your shoe, wipe it off and forget about it. I want my country back, I want my freedoms back, I want to be proud again to salute my flag.
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BlackCrow
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 2:37pmYou need to let him know you will be supporting the NRA endorsed candidate in the next election. Then if you haven’t, join the NRA.
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highcarry
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 11:32ammessage to all the libs out there. you won’t like this but here goes. when the founding fathers were writing the constitution, they made the correct decision to make the right to bear arms the 2ND most important amendment. not 6, 7, or 8. number two. second only to freedom of speech and religion. that is because they recognized the fact that sooner or later we would have to fend off a despot bent on tyranny. and they were right. it’s happening now.
when you read the 2nd amendment( which i doubt any of you have), try to realize that the second amendment is the ONLY amendment with the SPECIFIC words, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. the only one.
also, i would appreciate it if all the libs out there who don’t believe in the second amendment would put “gun free zone” signs in their yards. that way i won’t have to use my gun to defend my home. it would only take a magic marker and piece of cardboard. i’m sure you have some of that left over from your occupy protests. thank you for your prompt attention to this.
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TerrieBerns
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 2:20pmThe Vatican “Press Office” has a history of misquoting the Pope. Just Google, Rev. Federico Lombardi and you will see what I mean. The Pope is surrounded by folks—some loyal, some less so. Don’t believe everything you read.
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civilwarcometh
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 2:32pmThe Vatican is not in or part of the U.S.A. their opinion mean’s NOTHING…..Your pope was a MEMBER of the nazi youth. Communism root’s fact….
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snooop1e
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 2:57pmLombardi has a history of making left leaning statements that are not official statements from the Vatican. I could be wrong but wasn’t he the one who stirred up controversy a while back when he released a statement in favor of a global economic system? I know that the Vatican later said that it was not an official statement and enacted tighter controls on statements coming out the Vatican.
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Small World
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 10:29pmAll you good Catholics who will go to church on Sunday and donate you must watchhttp://patdollard.com to see where you’re money is really going.This guy is the Catholic version of Glenn.
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by faith
Posted on January 23, 2013 at 9:33amYou don’t leave Peter because of Judas
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Ferrarello
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 2:15pmThey can both go to hell.
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1FreeVoice
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 2:14pmPerhaps we should ban free will, as humans so frequently abuse it to bad ends and sometimes horrific ones?
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momrules
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 2:13pmThere sure seem to be a lot of non Americans cheering Obama on in his quest of disarming Americans.
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OlefromMN
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 2:13pmHow much do you want to bet liberals will forget all about their contempt for religion and start using this as yet another reason to restrict law abiding Americans from owning guns? So much for their silly separation of church/state arguments.
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barber2
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 2:13pmWish the pope had spoken out against the “Affordable ( ha, ha ) Health Act” as forcefully…..
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lel2007
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 2:56pmI’m seeing a photo of the Pope at the top of this column, yet it’s Rev. Federico Lombardi making all the statements. Where’s the photo of Lombardi?
If Lombardi is indeed speaking for the Pope (which I doubt), I’m astonished by the shallow misguided and ignorant statements. The Pope’s “Infallibility” ONLY applies in matters of teaching Catholic Doctrine. Lombardi should be severely reprimanded for giving credence to obama & Co., the biggest evil in the world since Hitler. Especially after the “Vatican” kinda “stepped in it” during Hitler’s time.
While it is true, if all sharp object were banned and removed from the world very few people would suffer or die from puncture wounds, evil would find another tool toachievee its plan.
I don’t know who said this, but the words ring true throughout the history of the world -
“Do you care about freedom? Dreams may have inspired it, and wishes prompted it,
but only war and weapons have made it yours.” — ?Robert Ardrey?
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lel2007
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 3:32pmThe Vaticanβs chief spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi, made the statement in question, not the Pope. Lombardi did not attribute the statement to the Pope or stipulate it was the Pope’s opinion.
“Watch out that you are not deceived.”
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barber2
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 5:26pmLEL: You bring up important observations but notice how any article about the Pope draws out the Divide the Conservative Trolls manure draws flies !? They just loose it in their attempts to divide conservatives over religion. Remember the Mormon smears here during the campaign ?
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woodyee
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 2:12pmIn the first place, I didn’t read where the Pope said ANYTHING. In this report, Lombardi clearly states he speaks for himself and 47 unnamed “religious” leaders. We KNOW the Church has been infiltrated by gays and Left-wing liberal theologists. So it’s safe to assume he’s not speaking for The Church, but rather for his own group.
Having said that, a little money could go a long way in exposing who this Lombardi character really is; What’s his background? What has he written? What are his opinions? What has he supported? Does he have any gay lovers? Has he ever been linked directly or indirectly to child-molestation? Let’s ***** at this scab.
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TRILO
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 3:52pmJust like all the tithing given to the church purged the pedophiles? If his man keeps “mis-speaking” for the Pope than why doesnt the Pope get rid of him? My guess is, he represents the pope and his views is why he is still around.
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Small World
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 11:12pmYou must watch http://patdollard.com to see where your money is going.
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Blitz
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 2:10pmThis is crazy talk coming from the Pope (Vatican). If I hear anything like this tomorrow during a homily I will stand up and leave. Priests are well educated people and to willfully ignor the history of goverments vr an unarmed people is shamefull.
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jblaze
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 2:20pmHow could you expect otherwise from the MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH? Rev. 17:5
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wayner4162
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 2:23pmI submit only to JESUS CHRIST, the MESSIAH, the SAVIOR of all who will TRUST HIM.
This but a man, no more, no less, bow down and pray to the ALMIGHTY GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISSAC and JACOB in the name of JESUS the CHRIST!
There none other name given under heaven whereby men must be saved than the name already given, JESUS CHRIST, GOD manifested in the flesh.
To turn the other cheek is to suffer to teach a lesson in peace, but to stand and be murdered by brute beast who hate GOD is cowardice, don’t be fooled by this little man, that is all he is, no more, no less, he is on the same level as the rest of us! either saved or lost, that is the only difference!
marybethelizabeth
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 4:44pmMr. Beck said last winter that we were all Catholics now.
Are Mr. Beck’s words just crazy talk?
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TominNH
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 2:09pmIn this century they supported the molestation of tens of thousands of children, other supported ideas were: The Inquisition and witch burnings. Not to mention the call for Jews to be enslaved by Pope Gregory IX. Why is it a surprise that they support repression of rights and the advance of tyrannical governments?
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electrician8
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 1:57pmlets band priest. If they were gone there wouldn’t be any molested choir boys. Freaking dumbazz religious bureaucrat scrUwing his own faith over for politics.
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Dano.50
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 3:12pmFirst, I need to see if it was the Pope who actually said this, and not some left wing twit’s interpretation.
Second, if your grammatical skills indicative of your investigatory skills, then you need visit some other site than http://www.parroting.com.
The Catholic abuse scandal is a shame, yes, but here are some stats you can easily verify.
About 3% of priests have committed such acts and it’s the same for ALL other religions.
Since Catholics have the lime light, the percentage has dropped to 2. (33% drop.)
In non-religious youth organizations, the molestation percentages are double digits because the background checks are not years, and there’s that “A person’s private life has nothing to do with their public life” b.s. (Check out the gay and lesbian problems in the scouts for starters.)
To continue…
TOTAL priests accused of sexual crimes, including cases where false charges were dropped, is around 1500. That’s one thousand, five hundred in the entire history of the abuse, yet every year, TWENTY thousand teachers are CHARGED with having sex with a minor student and nary a peep.
Odd isn’t it, how the left’s solution for molestation will have exactly the same effect on molestation numbers as banning high capacity magazines will on mass murder?
What is it about liberals, that they just don’t get mathematics and logic, or that some times your own people will fib to you?
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justangry
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 1:57pmSo the pope is against laissez faire capitalism and this dude is against our 2nd amendment rights. Are we still “all Catholics now”, GB? I’m tired of demagogues telling others what kind of protection they should have.
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Tigress1
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 1:56pmEven worse massacres have been carried out by GOVERNMENTS. The Pope of all people should know this.
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shorelineliz
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 2:09pmPope Benedict absolutely screwed up on this one. But, Italy is full of mafia who still get communion at the rail. Go figure. I hate when this happens.
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hi
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 1:55pmWake up Catholics! Come to the Bible church. Yours has been taken over and destroyed.
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Pio
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 7:55pmAnd the gates of hell shall not prevail against it…ring a bell? He didnt say that to the “bible church” there wasnt such a thing.. He said it to the 1st pope and priests, the Apostles! The smoke of satan has entered the House of God – Pope Pius 6th.. but it is NOT destroyed
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watashbuddyfriend
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 1:54pmEvery little bit helps bring about the return of Phase II of the Roman Empire! Come soon, Lord Jesus, and holler down to the Church with a big “…come up heredther….!” smile.
Is the Vatican not the emeny of the Church?
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whatthecrazy
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 1:53pmI personally don’t give a flip what the Pope or anybody else for that matter has to say about our constitution and what is in it.It is none of thier business,but what they can tend to is some of that nasty behavior they have going on within thier own walls.I think we have a wolve in sheeps clothing thing going on here anyway.
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woodyee
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 1:45pmLombardi cucks socks in h3ll…he is siding with an established enenmy of the Church, and a supporter of the murder of millions of unborn babies. How does that speak for him?
And he wants to speak to MY RIGHTS? They’re not negotiable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7fSQelHos0
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teapartyconservatism
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 1:42pmGod help us.
Obama is not a βnatural born citizenβ eligible to serve as President pursuant to Article 2, Section 1, of the Constitution![1]
Furthermore his proven identity anomalies i.e., fraudulent birth certificate, altered Selective Service Registration, stolen CT SS#, and aliases: Barry Soetoro, Harrison J. Bounel, Barack Soebarkah, indicate he is not even a U.S. citizen.[2]
Supreme Court Chief Justice Roberts set 2/15/2013 for the full court to hear a case regarding Obamaβs forged identity in conference.
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=375765
Justice Thomas has admitted theyβre evading Obamaβs ineligibility.[3] Pray he speaks up again to urge his colleagues to finally enforce the Constitution!
1. Mario Apuzzo, Esq., Barack Obama Is Ineligible to be President, For He Is Neither a “Natural Born Citizen” Nor a “Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution”
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2012/10/barack-obama-is-ineligible-to-be.html (10/28/2012) (updated 11/10/2012)
2. TPC, Is Barack Hussein Obama II Even a U.S. Citizen?
http://www.obamabirthcertificate.net/2012/06/is-usurper-obama-even-us-citizen.html (6/24/12)
3. D. Zahn, WND, Justice Clarence Thomas: “We’re ‘evading’ eligibility” http://www.wnd.com/2010/04/142101/ (04/17/2010)
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PIGSWILLNEVERFLY
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 4:28pmTEAPARTY – There is another video right now at western journalism where a skip tracer accidentally, while searching for a person ran across another identity and forgery concerning 0′s home in Chicago. Seems Barack Obama and Harrison J. Bounel have the same SS# and some how this Harrison guy is related to Michelle.
Also: I’m with Anonymous before I’m with a Sun God worshiping pope any day.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/strange-bedfellows-hacker-group-anonymous-threatens-obama-with-treason/
16 AM Jur d, Sec 177 late 2d, Sec 256: No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it.
Reid v Covert, 354 U.S. 1 (1957) Treaties do not confer powers not authorized by the Constitution.
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teapartyconservatism
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 11:05pmThanks, here is even more on this particular Obama alias that was released today.
“Developing: 1940 New York Census Shows Obama Alias Harrison Bounel Born In 1890; Once Lived In Connecticut.”
See article at http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/01/new-york-census-confirms-obama-alias.html
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