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‘Numerous’ New Bodies Found Inside Algeria Plant After Standoff’s Bloody End; Death Toll Up to 81

Jan. 20, 2013 8:52am Madeleine Morgenstern

Numerous New Bodies Found Inside Algeria Plant After Standoffs Bloody End | Algerian Hostage Crisis

In this image made from video, a group of people believed to be hostages kneel in the sand with their hands in the air at an unknown location in Algeria. An Algerian security official says de-mining squads searching for explosives found “numerous” bodies Sunday, Jan. 20, 2012 at a gas refinery where Islamic militants took dozens of foreign workers hostage. (AP)

ALGIERS, Algeria (AP) — The death toll from the bloody terrorist siege at a natural gas plant in the Sahara climbed to at least 81 on Sunday as Algerian forces searching the complex for explosives found dozens more bodies, many so badly disfigured they could not immediately be identified, a security official said.

Algerian special forces stormed the facility on Saturday to end the four-day siege of the remote desert refinery, and the government said then that 32 militants and 23 hostages were killed, but that the death toll was likely to rise.

The militants came from six countries, were armed to cause maximum destruction and mined the Ain Amenas refinery, which the Algerian state oil company runs along with BP and Norway’s Statoil, said Algerian Communications Minister Mohamed Said. The militants “had decided to succeed in the operation as planned, to blow up the gas complex and kill all the hostages,” he said in a state radio interview.

With few details emerging from the remote site of the gas plant in eastern Algeria, it was unclear whether anyone was rescued in the final operation, but the number of hostages killed Saturday – seven – was how many the militants had said that morning they still had.

Algerian security forces escort a bus carrying freed hostages outside a police station in In Amenas in the desert in Algeria’s deep south on January 19, 2013. (Getty Images)

The Algerian security official said the 25 bodies found by bombs squads on Sunday were so badly disfigured that it was difficult to tell whether they were hostages or attackers. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation and said those casualties were not official yet.

The squads were bombing the plant in the Sahara Desert to defuse mines they said were planted throughout the vast site, not far from the Libyan border.

In addition to the bodies found at the site Sunday, a wounded Romanian who had been evacuated and brought home died, raised the overall death toll to at least 81.

The Masked Brigade, founded by Algerian militant Moktar Belmoktar, claimed responsibility for the attack. Belmoktar claimed the attack in the name of al-Qaida, according to the text from a video the Mauritania-based Internet site, Sahara Media, said it had obtained. The site sometimes carries messages of jihadists.

“We at al-Qaida are responsible for this operation that we bless,” Sahara Media quoted the video as saying. The video was dated Jan. 17, a day after the attack began. Belmoktar recently created his own group in a schism with associated in al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb, but his statement appears to show his link with the terror group’s motherhouse and put the stamp of global jihad on the action by a special commando unit, “Those Who Sign in Blood.”

The American government has warned that there are credible threats of more kidnapping attempts on Westerners in this North African nation which shares a long border with Mali where a French intervention is underway to end a threat by Islamist militants holding the country’s vast north.

The kidnappers focused on the foreign workers, largely leaving alone the hundreds of Algerian workers who were briefly held hostage before being released or escaping.

“Now, of course, people will ask questions about the Algerian response to these events, but I would just say that the responsibility for these deaths lies squarely with the terrorists who launched a vicious and cowardly attack,” British Prime Minister David Cameron said Sunday. Three Britons were killed and another three believed dead, along with a foreign resident of Britain.

A freed Algerian hostage arrives at Algiers airport after he was released by Islamist captors. (Getty Images)

The siege at Ain Amenas transfixed the world after radical Islamists linked to al-Qaida stormed the complex where hundreds of people from around the world work, on Wednesday, then held them hostage surrounded by the Algerian military and its attack helicopters for four tense days that were punctuated with gun battles and dramatic tales of escape.

Algeria’s response to the crisis was typical of its history in confronting terrorists, favoring military action over negotiation, which caused an international outcry from countries worried about their citizens. Algerian military forces twice assaulted the two areas where the hostages were being held with minimal apparent mediation – first on Thursday, then on Saturday.

“To avoid a bloody turn of events in response to the extreme danger of the situation, the army’s special forces launched an intervention with efficiency and professionalism to neutralize the terrorist groups that were first trying to flee with the hostages and then blow up the gas facilities,” Algeria’s Interior Ministry said in a statement about the standoff.

An audio recording of Algerian security forces speaking with the head of the kidnappers, Abdel Rahman al-Nigiri, indicates that the hostage-takers were trying to organize a prisoner swap with authorities.

“You see our demands are so easy, so easy if you want to negotiate with us,” al-Nigiri said in the recording broadcast by Algerian television. “We want the prisoners you have, the comrades who were arrested and imprisoned 15 years ago. We want 100 of them.”

People familiar with al-Nigiri confirmed that the voice in the recording was his.

In another phone message, al-Nigiri described how half the militants had been killed by the Algerian army on Thursday and that he was ready to blow up the remaining hostages if security forces attacked again.

A freed Algerian hostage hugs a relative at Algiers airport after he was released by Islamist captors. (Getty Images)

SITE Intelligence Group, which monitors videos from radicals, posted one showing al-Nigiri with what appears to be an explosive belt strapped around his waist, dating from Jan. 17, after the start of the attack.

Algeria’s prisons are filled with militants from the long battle with Islamist extremists that began in the 1990s.

David Plouffe, a senior adviser to President Barack Obama, said Sunday that al-Qaida and al-Qaida-affiliated groups remain a threat in northern Africa and other parts of the world, and that the U.S. is determined to help other countries destroy these networks. Speaking on “Fox News Sunday,” Plouffe said the tragedy in Algeria shows once again “that all across the globe countries are threatened by terrorists who will use civilians to try and advance their twisted and sick agenda.”

The U.S. State Department issued a travel warning Saturday night for Americans in or traveling to Algeria, citing credible threats of the kidnapping of Western nationals. The department also authorized the departure from Algeria of staff members’ families if they choose to leave.

Immediately after the assault, French President Francois Hollande gave his backing to Algeria’s tough tactics, saying they were “the most adapted response to the crisis.”

“There could be no negotiations” with terrorists, the French media quoted him as saying in the central French city of Tulle.

Hollande said the hostages were “shamefully murdered” by their captors, and he linked the event to France’s military operation against al-Qaida-backed rebels in neighboring Mali. “If there was any need to justify our action against terrorism, we would have here, again, an additional argument,” he said.

On Sunday, French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said he was “appalled” at the idea that blame would be laid on Algerian authorities instead of the jihadist captors.

“The terrorists … they’re the ones to blame,” Fabius said on France’s iTele TV channel. He said Algerian officials were in touch with the French during the crisis. “But they didn’t have to tell us: `Here is what we will do.’”

In the final assault, the remaining band of militants killed seven hostages before 11 of them were in turn cut down by the special forces, Algeria’s state news agency said. The military launched its Saturday assault to prevent a fire started by the extremists from engulfing the complex and blowing it up, the report added.

A total of 685 Algerian and 107 foreigner workers were freed over the course of the four-day standoff, the Interior Ministry statement said, adding that the group of militants that attacked the remote Saharan natural gas complex consisted of 32 men of various nationalities, including three Algerians and explosives experts. The military also said it confiscated heavy machine guns, rocket launchers, missiles and grenades attached to suicide belts.

Algeria has fought its own Islamist rebellion since the 1990s, elements of which later declared allegiance to al-Qaida and then set up new groups in the poorly patrolled wastes of the Sahara along the borders of Niger, Mali, Algeria and Libya, where they flourished.

The standoff has put the spotlight on al-Qaida-linked groups that roam these remote areas, threatening vital infrastructure and energy interests. The militants initially said their operation was intended to stop a French attack on Islamist militants in neighboring Mali – though they later said it was two months in the planning, long before the French intervention.

The militants, who came from a Mali-based al-Qaida splinter group run by an Algerian, attacked the plant Wednesday morning. Armed with heavy machine guns and rocket launchers in four-wheel drive vehicles, they fell on a pair of buses taking foreign workers to the airport. The buses’ military escort drove off the attackers in a blaze of gunfire that sent bullets zinging over the heads of crouching workers. A Briton and an Algerian – probably a security guard – were killed.

The militants then turned to the vast gas complex, divided between the workers’ living quarters and the refinery itself, and seized hostages, the Algerian government said. The gas flowing to the site was cut off.

The accounts of hostages who escaped the standoff showed they faced dangers from both the kidnappers and the military. The militants focused on the foreign workers from the outset, largely leaving alone the hundreds of Algerian workers who were briefly held hostage before being released or escaping.

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gferrar
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 8:36pm
It has been regrettably true that a large amount of Algeria’s oil/gas income enriches the elite and also internationals, and yet does not reach regular citizens. But it certainly will not benefit them to restart the civil war of the 1990s that took 100,000 lives, or to start a world war as the hostage-takers wish to do. We will need much international cooperation–and prayer–to keep jihad in Algeria from spreading, with the resolve that such taking of hostages and innocent lives cannot be tolerated.

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BlasberryStrat
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 8:08pm
Who cares about this story!? After all, it’s not “Obama’s little babies” from CT. Hey, maybe if little Algerian kids write letters to Obama, the Libs will step in and take the guns from all terrorists? Ya think? “If Oby could just save one life….”.

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- kryptonite
  Posted on January 21, 2013 at 1:04am
  Who cares what you have to say? Look at those legs!
  
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AlaskaBob
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 6:19pm
When will the Obama admin come out and name the sporting goods stores that sold the assault weapons to the terrorists? Oh… the world is awash in them and Chavez is building a real AK rifle factory in South America…. oh.. but by passing their bans in US and the borders are safe… we should fear nothing. These guys want to die for their beliefs…. they won in their own minds and in the numbers of killed. They are here in the US right now…. coming to a refinery or school near you…

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Tankertony
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 5:04pm
“Algeria’s response to the crisis was typical of its history in confronting terrorists, favoring military action over negotiation, which caused an international outcry from countries worried about their citizens”.

How about this. If you’re citizens are in an islamic country, start worrying now. Assume that they’ll be victims of these bloodthirsty savages.

Kudos to the Algerians. No talk, just start killing the vermin.

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raderby
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 4:02pm
81? jeesh – they could have gotten about the same result by dropping a daisy cutter on the site – way less cost, same dead. At least you would know you got all the towel heads.

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ellietoo
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 3:32pm
There seems to have been quite a block on the news coming forth on this story. We know that our government knew exactly how many Americans were involved in this situation. The US government knows exactly how many Americans are in foreign countries. A US citizen cannot travel to Algeria without our government’s knowledge. So why has the US kept all info to themselves? To protect the hostages? No. To protect the government and keep the citizens of this country silent? YES! If they ignore it hopefully no one will notice and it will go away. We don’t want another Benghazi now do we?

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Chromo200
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 2:30pm
Expect this to happen often .. The Arabs/muslims don’t fear America anymore. They know they have WH on their side.

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- Frederick_Douglass_Republican
  Posted on January 20, 2013 at 3:23pm
  Precisely
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on January 20, 2013 at 3:46pm
  Exactly. Notice that at this stage we don’t even know how many Americans were killed, let alone their names.
  
  BTW, where are all those Benghazi survivors? What happened to the one marine who survived the al-Qaeda attack on the CIA compound? Is Hussein, the sociopath, going to start to disappear/silence the lucky few who survive jihadist attacks?
  
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spfoam1
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 2:07pm
Muslims are like a global fire ant infestation, and Obama’s strategy to deal with them is to step on them one or two at a time. That’s working out really great, isn’t it?

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- loveoursoldiers
  Posted on January 20, 2013 at 2:21pm
  He is one of them. He just sits back and lets them do what they do.. then when the time comes.. ohoh.. he will be Obama the Conquerer of the world and dispose of anyone left who opposes him
  Obama lets anyone do the dirty work and then claims he has won.
  
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- DougHuffman
  Posted on January 20, 2013 at 2:34pm
  Darwinian evolution is being observed in red imported fire ant Solenopsis invicta as the queens become genetic ‘sisters’, the colonies become meta-colonies.
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on January 20, 2013 at 6:48pm
  @SPFOAM
  Hussein’s strategy is typically commie. He is sending a clear message to the other bad guys: be my ally (evil rulers have no friends) or I’ll add you to my kill list. His goal in life is to eat, drink and be merry, while his goons enslave us. Anyone who gets in the way of his extravagant life style must be neutralized. Thus, the drone strikes. Problem is, for every al-Qaeda commander Hussein blows up, there are a dozen new guys willing to take his place. Too bad We the People suffer the consequences.
  
  Speaking of bad strategies, is TheBlaze’s alleged tech glitch a way to discourage people from commenting on this site (I know it’s not just me)? I’m getting tired of having to “log in to reply” every single time I post on here. Did a mention this blog is in Betsy’s liberal hands?
  
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Gonzo
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 1:47pm
If Obama ever gets in a tight spot, I hope Algerian forces are in a position to “rescue” him.

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ninetoesjudd
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 12:55pm
Yep, Jimmy Carter’s third term.

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- chirodoc007
  Posted on January 20, 2013 at 5:23pm
  It’s only just begun.
  
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WALLISPMOON123
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 12:38pm
We are all missing the point. We need a world war two situation. Go threw
africa and get rid of the enemy. Everything dies. You can’t hide in the civilian
population. Thats what the algerians would do if they had the force. Its time
to stop messing around with these terrorists.

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chips1
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 12:10pm
If the war doesn’t work in Chicago or Dearborn, how do they expect it to work in the Middle East?

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barber2
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 11:02am
” The militants came from six countries and were armed to cause maximum destruction.” Think it’s time to channel Harry Truman …..this mess has been going on for decades and is only getting worse…

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- barber2
  Posted on January 20, 2013 at 12:23pm
  Barack Obama is NO Harry Truman…
  
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barber2
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 10:58am
Was Benghazi the opening salvo ? Ask Hillary…..never mind….

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- CatB
  Posted on January 20, 2013 at 12:00pm
  There is a Paul Shanklin parody song … about Hillary “Try to Remember” .. Rush plays it .. he should play it every time she is SET to testify .. not that she will …
  
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SamIamTwo
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 10:45am
I was on one of the gov’t web sites and Gen Ham, whom I thought was forced out (Benghazi issue), had a meet with the Algerian gov’t about sharing intelligence ONE (1) month before this occurred. He did not get fired as implied by SEC DEF. Messed up 10 ways to Sunday.

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- SamIamTwo
  Posted on January 20, 2013 at 10:54am
  errm maybe several months ago…
  
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freedomisasfreedomdoes
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 10:39am
Seemingly, all the Arab-Spring countries and Algeria etc. have in common is Al-Qaida involvement. Anything fruitful coming out of these involvements, and for whom? Is their end-game just to cause terror with no real goal? Obviously not.
Just seems they are accomplishing whatever their goals are and US-Europe is chasing them around like an uninvolved parent in an unruly teens life. Expecting them to follow the rules all the while not enforcing them. All the while screaming at them, “why are you not following the rules?”

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- freedomisasfreedomdoes
  Posted on January 20, 2013 at 10:48am
  And the real losers in all this= Americans. Losing our best, brightest, and bravest. Pathetic
  
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thibx
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 10:08am
oboma, bill ayers and their muslim friends are responsible. i say get rid of all them before they multiply.

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- civilwarcometh
  Posted on January 20, 2013 at 10:42am
  Look at what they really want to do…http://weaselzippers.us/2013/01/19/video-shows-democratic-attempt-to-hide-their-list-of-proposals-attacking-2nd-amendment-confiscation-release-of-permit-holder-names-database-of-all-guns/
  
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OlefromMN
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 9:33am
“The U.S. State Department issued a travel warning Saturday night for Americans in or traveling to Algeria, citing credible threats of the kidnapping of Western nationals.”

Boy they’re right on top of that. I guess it is too much to ask our State Department to actually understand threats BEFORE they exist.

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- DougHuffman
  Posted on January 20, 2013 at 9:42am
  That might involve being mean to Obama Oedipus Rex’s constituency. Spies are slimy, evil and expensive, costing money Rex would rather spend on cellphones and Hawaiian vacations. France/Algeria made the correct decision – kill them all and let God sort it out. Use pig fat Silver Bullet lube and make his job easier. http://www.silverbulletgunoil.net/
  
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SpankDaMonkey
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 9:32am
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Like I said Kill them all is one way to end a standoff………

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- Walkabout
  Posted on January 20, 2013 at 9:56am
  They kill a few more hostages or about the same number as recruited jihadis, they are more than happy to keep doing that.
  
  You can’t kill the jihadis in a stand off.
  
  As Irish American officer Jim Malone in the film “The Untouchables” asks Eliot Ness “WHAT ARE YOU PREPARED TO DO?”
  
  That is what we must ask ourselves.
  
  We must go after apologists for jihad, fund raisers for jihad & the leaders of jihad.
  
  Killing the foot soldiers is not enough. Did Usama suffer?
  
  He did not. He has had dozens of children. He is famous. His kids are having kids. Would it be so fun for Usama if his family hurt as much as ours did? Zawahiri & Usama have yet to be hurt. It is still all fun & games for them.
  
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- the-most-interesting-troll-in-the-world
  Posted on January 20, 2013 at 3:01pm
  I don’t often lecture about counter-terrorism in foreign countries, but when I do, I like to quote fictional movie characters whose scripts were written by UCLA-educated Jewish members of the left wing Hollywood Screenwriters Guild.
  
  Stay fictional, my friends.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on January 20, 2013 at 3:23pm
  the-most-interesting-troll-in-the-world (a.k.a. different name same old troll Probably Wango)
  
  Like we’re Shocked >> Member Since: January 14, 2013
  
  Let’s discuss Hollywood, the left, popular films & not so popular films. Many Hollywood directors produce some popular films even though they are well know leftists.When they go on to produce what they really want, they fail. Some of them are conscious of what works like George Lucas others are not. George Lucas was very conscious of the power of archetypes. He consulted Joesph Campbell before, during & after filming Stars Wars. He wanted to get the archetypes right. Archetype speak to underlying culture. When Hollywood uses archetypes they are usually successful, when they don’t they fail.
  
  So Wango /Pant_Load_In / Glennda /The_Most_effed_up_Troll_in_the_World I will keep using that quote. Been there Done that we don’t need some Toby Lear to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
  
  We need to be more like William Eaton & less like you or Tobias Lear.
  
  Just saying what we all know. :)
  
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- the-most-interesting-troll-in-the-world
  Posted on January 20, 2013 at 5:27pm
  I don’t often paint myself in a corner with a thoughtless comment, but when I do, I prefer to make things worse by spinning a whiny albeit self-inflating conspiracy theory to deflect my ignorance; double down with celebrity stories; and then to spew forth an inane and inappropriate obfuscatory reference or two.
  
  Stay owned, my ill-prepared debate friends.
  
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progressiveslayer
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 9:22am
I don’t see any reason why any American was at that facility in the first place because we have more oil and natural gas than any other country. If our government will ever come to it’s senses and allow the exploitation of ALL our natural resources there wouldn’t be any need for Americans to be in harms way. The EPA and so called environmental groups in America have too much power in keeping oil and gas companies from drilling and as long as they do we’ll continue the idiotic policy of relying on foreign oil.

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- Salamander
  Posted on January 20, 2013 at 10:10am
  It’s called JOBS! Those at that plant weren’t on UNEMPLOYMENT! What they learn at that plant they should deploy in North Dakota, instead of flaring all that gas (hmmmm, wasteful global warming?), they should compress it, pipe it to Baltimore and ship it overseas to compete in the open market for energy! Just imagine if we could draw down the balance of payments with China by selling them some good old American gas, in the form of LNG! Of course, we’d extract the helium and other exotic gases that come with that process!
  
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- civilwarcometh
  Posted on January 20, 2013 at 10:23am
  SALAM: How much in aid have we given China and the rest of the world? We don’t owe anyone sh!! they owe us!!!! We need to get out of the world market also…All these POS’s wanted was a few Americans to hold as hostages for Egypt’s MB to get their guy out of our jail….Obama sat and watched again as Americans were murdered…..
  
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- PIGSWILLNEVERFLY
  Posted on January 20, 2013 at 10:50am
  SLAYER – Agree, we need our own energy. 10 years after the invasion of Iraq of Iraq, who is profiting from Iraq’s oil reserves? US? UK? ..NO, Petro China Russian Lukoil and Pakistan Petroleum. All were fierce opponents of the invasion of Iraq.
  
  Exxon is moving out of Iraq and Petro China will lead the auction of West Qurna, one of the largest oil fields in the world, with Russia as potential competitor, If China succeeds it will have 32% of all the oil contracts in Iraq. (US blood and treasure took our Saddam, a fierce enemy of Iran. Iran and China work together against US interests, or so we are told). I don’t think anyone knows the complete truth of the global alliances that are formed or for what benefit or what threatens the US so much that we sacrifice for global corporate expansion.
  
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 9:20am
The Al Qaeda linked groups from Mali’s terror uprising have succeeded in drawing attention of the world to the region in full force. By freeing the Algerian hostages (for the most part) they have given the following to the world:

To Algerians – we are not your enemy, just that of your capitalist government beholden to the infidel western nations.

To the West – we can do this whenever and wherever we please.

Remember that terrorism in and of itself is used to create and deliver a message, to force changes on the way all live their lives, and to cause people to lose faith in their governments.

Most terrorists strike for the causing of fear.

This one is greater: to generate CHANGE by the FEAR of the APPLICATION OF FORCE.

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woodyee
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 9:18am
Where Is The Leader Of This Terrorist Attack?

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- progressiveslayer
  Posted on January 20, 2013 at 9:23am
  He’s in DC getting sworn in for four maybe more years of destruction.
  
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- SpankDaMonkey
  Posted on January 20, 2013 at 9:27am
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  Washington D.C.
  
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bigbear_awake
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 9:11am
https://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=fGaDAThOHhA
pass this around

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- Walkabout
  Posted on January 20, 2013 at 9:41am
  I am watching the vid. What is needed is dates.
  
  Problem #1 Long term trends on homicide have decreased in Australia. The Anti-gun freaks will claim credit. But if you look at the U.S. Britain, & Australis (& probably other Western nations), they all show a peak around 1990 to 1992 with a gradual decline. This is more attributable to the baby boom than the gun laws.
  
  Problem #2 We need dates on the stats. A short term spike will not be enough.
  
  The anti-gun freaks will repetitively a few cherry picked stats. So we have to give all stats going back decades to give context without being overwhelming in detail. Like the facts that yes, the British Homicide rate is 3 times lower than the U.S. but it has always been very much lower before or after the gun laws.
  
  Australian Attorney General Trevor Griffin is a POS. He cannot legally define what a home invasion is? People are getting hurt & this POS lawyer is resorting to semantics to get his A$$ out of a jam.
  
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DougHuffman
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 9:06am
Obama Oedipus Rex, Commander in Chief, this is what you get for US, letting France carry our water, your pisswater. Get the Hell out of the way and let US take care of our own. MOLON LABE

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Walkabout
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 9:04am
Bodies found … Blah, Blah, Blah, .. Shock!, …, Horror!, Blah, Blah, Blah

This is about as funny as Kimmel punking people on the street about Obama’s inauguration.

This has been happening since the 1990s. Read the Wall Street Journal (WSJ). This bunch of people would go into a village of 200 or 300 people & kill everyone except for the young women, who they would take back to their hideout & bases & rape.

I would laugh if I were not so sad. I should go insane, because there are so many stupid oblivious people.

It is very simple. Either we are dead or they are dead. And I don;t mean Muslims. I mean Islamicists be they Salafi, Al Qaeda or Muslim Brotherhood.

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- OldSurfRat
  Posted on January 20, 2013 at 9:21am
  Walk
  You are dead on. It is a war! Us against them!
  This is why we must fight here at home to stop the division tactics that are being used by the current divider in the Whitehouse.
  
  When we see someone from the other side beginning to open their eyes we should not scorn them for their mistakes but we should encourage them and support their awakening.
  
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- DougHuffman
  Posted on January 20, 2013 at 9:29am
  Read Samuel P. Huntington’s The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clash_of_Civilizations long article 33 KB good links
  
  http://www.amazon.com/Clash-Civilizations-Remaking-World-Order/dp/0684844419 Used PB 1¢
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on January 20, 2013 at 10:03am
  Well Samuel P. Huntington has a better analysis than Francis Fukuyama. After all we a re still making history & it is not pretty.
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on January 20, 2013 at 11:17am
  Here’s the thing, WALKABOUT: You can’t tell an Islamist from a Muslim, and any Muslim can become an Islamist in the blink of an eye. All that is needed is a study of the Qur’an or a website or a madrassa teacher or an imam or a fellow inmate.
  
  Modern Western civilization will not fight a so-called religion. That’s how the Antichrist will be able to Islamize the world.
  
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- strawberry411a
  Posted on January 20, 2013 at 12:03pm
  True…but the average American will.
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on January 20, 2013 at 1:44pm
  @STRAWBERRY411A
  The average American still thinks Islam is a religion, and we just need to leave the goat herders alone.
  
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- Chromo200
  Posted on January 20, 2013 at 2:16pm
  KRYPTONITE You got it right .. No difference between and muslim and Islamist.
  
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