Former Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum (R-PA) took on the issue of gun violence on ABC’s “This Week” panel today, slamming the idea that guns are the reason why violence is increasing.

“50 years ago, you could go on a catalog and buy a gun. There were no restrictions on gun ownership, there were no restrictions on magazines, there were no restrictions on anything, and we had a lot less violence in society than we do today,” Santorum said. “Why do you need to protect Hollywood putting films in front of us that glorify [violence]?”

Crosstalk ensued with former Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm around this point, during which Granholm pressed Santorum repeatedly on why an American citizen might “need” particular forms of ammunition, or guns. Santorum responded that criminals might have these weapons, even if civilians didn’t.

Watch the segment below: