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‘Are You Too Sick to Own a Gun?’: NBC News Lays Out Scary Scenarios in New Gun Control Push

Jan. 21, 2013 11:27am

After both of the tragic mass murders of 2012 — the shootings at a movie theater in Aurora, Colo., and Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn. — mental illness was quickly brought to the table as answers were sought as to why someone would commit such seemingly senseless crimes.

Experts Say Mental Health Measures in Gun Control Could Lead to Over Reporting and Patients Avoiding Help

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As the debate over gun control continues, so too does discussion about the role mental illness plays in it. NBC News reports experts saying the weight of adding mental illness into the mix might carry some unintended consequences. As NBC put it in its article headlined “Are You Too Sick to Own a Gun,” this includes everything “from gun owners avoiding mental health treatment to therapists feeling compelled to report every patient who expresses a violent thought.”

The new law regarding gun ownership passed in New York could result in both of these scenarios.

“There’s one group of people who are gun owners who may reasonably or unreasonably think, ‘I’m not going anywhere near a mental health person, because if they misinterpret something I say as an indication I’m going to hurt myself or someone else, they’re going to report me and take away my guns,’” Paul Applebaum, director of the Division of Law, Ethics, and Psychiatry at Columbia University, told NBC News.

Therapists who don’t report patients that express violent thoughts could face criminal charges themselves if something were to happen later, which as a result might lead to over reporting. News 8 out of Idaho Falls reported a therapist also citing the potential problem of over reporting mental illness with new laws:

What worries [mental health counselor Quinn] Thibodeau is new attention on mental health professionals possibly leading to over-reporting. He said a patient’s behavior should be reported to law enforcement only when there are grounds to do so.

“If they seem like they’re going to do something drastic based on the context of what they’re saying,” said Thibodeau.

Thibodeau said the professional code of ethics requires a viable threat by a patient to be reported to the intended victim of that threat, and law enforcement.

NBC pointed out that Obama has cited the need for improved reporting of mental health to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System. Given that only seven states account for 98 percent of those prevented from owning guns for mental health reasons, it’s clear there are holes in reporting.

Here’s more data from an article by the Mayors Against Illegal Guns:

The data, through April 2012, shows that in Colorado, more than 11,000 mental health records weren’t reported to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS. The study ranks the fifty states by identifying the five states that have submitted the most mental health records when controlling for population, and then comparing the rest of the country to those standards. In those top five states — Virginia, California, Washington, Michigan and New York — 830 records per 100,000 residents have been submitted. Colorado, the report says, would have to submit 11,192 records to join the top ranking states.

Colorado conducted 336,296 gun background checks in 2011 using this very incomplete data according to the study, which notes that 30,885 mental health records have been submitted in the state. Colorado falls somewhere in the middle compared to states across the country and is certainly doing a much better job reporting than the states at the bottom, which in some cases have submitted as few as three records.

Experts Say Mental Health Measures in Gun Control Could Lead to Over Reporting and Patients Avoiding Help

Flanked by mayors and gun control activists, Chief Policy Advisor to New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Chairman of Mayors Against Illegal Guns John Feinblatt (C) speaks during a news conference January 16, 2013 on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC. Members of Mayors Against Illegal Guns held a news conference to call on Congress to take action to end gun violence. (Photo: Alex Wong/Getty Images)

“We have a lot of work to do,” Joanne Schwartz, executive director of ProgressNow Colorado, said according to the Mayors Against Illegal Guns coalition. “These recent mass shootings…really draws the focus to mental illness and the need to track it and report it effectively.”

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  • Rowgue
    Posted on January 21, 2013 at 12:13pm

    No new laws are needed to “report” people. Both of the people that comitted those crimes were blatantly psychotic and severely mentally ill. In a society with common sense they would have been locked up in institutions. No new reporting laws are needed for that. What the frick is reporting going to do anyway? Our ultra PC society doesn’t allow the mentally ill to be treated like they need to be anyway. They’d just be sent to therapy sessions and given some useless medication that doesn’t work. Just like both people that comitted the crimes mentioned in the article were.

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    • Caniac Steve
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 12:24pm

      and here e, the people are not as “organized,finaced” as well as they are …as we are too busy trying to work and support our familes and that’s what they all count on that we’ll no be paying attention or too tired to stand up and fight back..

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    • Dr Vel
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 12:56pm

      Actually If you study the cases in the last 20 years it is these drugs causing the problem. Think Columbine, Colorado Springs, many more. If we knew the true facts about Sandy I have no doubt the shooter was also on these drugs.

      They routinely overload kids today with drugs, especially serotonin re-uptake inhibitors. These drugs are involved in almost every incident of this nature in the last 15 years. Drugging children with emotional problems is what they routinely do today in lieu of actual care which addresses the problems. Read the liner if your child takes any of these. Logic dictates at the least locking your guns up in a foolproof way If you have a child on these drugs. I was raised with guns, normal way of life for me. In my years I never even met anyone with mental problems like those so prevalent today. I cannot fathom the mind of anyone capable of such evil and horror. However in the 50′s and 60′s these drugs did not exist. I have to wonder what these drugs so over prescribed today are doing to the minds of the young. Any parent with children on these drugs take note. Lock up your weapons and always be mindful of your child’s mental state. At the first sign of emotional withdrawal and isolation go on high alert.

      Mayors against illegal guns? Then why are they going after legal ones to the exclusion of all else? Power and control is their true goal.

      Riles them to believe we perceive the web they weave.

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    • Cavallo
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 12:58pm

      The point is for them to make completely normal behavior and thoughts criminal. Everyone gets frustrated at times and makes violent comments. When confessing your feelings to a professional, that professional may now feel obligated to report such feelings and thoughts to the State for action, HIPAA be damned. It’s not just shrinks or therapists either, but family doctors. They are now spies for the State and you cannot be sure if your medical professional will buck the system in favor of you, or the State. They are making a society in which you must conform. Children reporting their parents, doctors reporting their patients, soon priests/clerics/preachers reporting their congregations. Welcome to Oceania. Hope you enjoy the stay.

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    • Jim S
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 1:01pm

      …excellent point..and when the police officer misinterprets your reaching for your wallet as going for a gun and blows your head clean off…no appeal, no hearing..right to life has been null & voided…however IF a mental health professional,or damn near anyone, hears a threat…might be a good idea to look into it…after a review perhaps you should have restrictions placed on you…or if unfounded,not….locked and loaded waiting for Obama agents to storm your home?…and your 15 yr old son kills you and the rest of the family…yep, there are dangers out there, closer than you might think…

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    • TotallyNotATroll
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 2:08pm

      The implication is that you lose your rights based on a ‘report’. Innocent til proven guilty I used to think was an American principle we believed in, even if we didn’t always follow it.

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    • sillyfreshness
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 2:16pm

      It’s become pretty evident that Newton was a false flag event. Just look on youtube about it and they have a half hour video of all the lies that were spewed in the “chosen people” controlled Juden Marxist Media. It was all a set up to get guns banned once and for all. I didn’t even know about it until I looked it up and saw all these lies “in their own words” tied together into a movie. Take a look.

      http://www.youtube.com/verify_controversy?next_url=/watch%3Fv%3Dd516tIViRLI

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obier9yeoKI

      Truth is the new hate speech

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    • selfd59
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 2:48pm

      Yes, this “mental health” screening of firearm ownership will most certainly have unintended consequences. The current regime, “lawfully” elected (at least election fraud has not been proved in a court of law, that doesn’t mean it didn’t occur and/or didn’t make a difference), but acting most unlawfully, has already usurped the health care sector to an extent that the framers of the Constitution never foresaw or would allow. With this power, they would take the opportunity to use medical practitioners as their enforcement arm in deeming Americans unable to exercise their Second Amendment rights. This was already done with the well-intentioned but utterly excess Federal law prohibiting firearm ownership of those convicted of a MISDEMEANOR “domestic violence” conviction…making someone who grabs his spouse in the course of a domestic spat and leaves a bruise as much of a danger and thereby denied Second Amendment rights as the violent lout that nearly kills after years of flagrant and horrific abuse. No one WANTS the criminals or psychotics to wield firearms, certainly, but the devil is in the details. To the “gun-grabbers”, due process and the Second Amendment mean nothing. The trouble with this approach is that it may disarm those that need to protect themselves most! Should a woman repeatedly abused be denied the ability to carry a weapon in case her abuser sets upon her just because she confesses feelings of anger and retribution to a counselor?

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    • jfhunt
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 2:53pm

      Personally, I believe that only those individuals who have a serious organic disease should be treated with psychotropic drugs. Most people who do not have an actual biochemical/metabolic problem, that is those who are emotionally troubled, especially children who have difficulty dealing with life are plain and simply lacking love and human kindness – or a stable environment. Love and kindness cannot be derived from paying an hourly rate to a psychiatrist or counselor, who views you as a “meal ticket” or “job” and has hundreds of patients just like you. So, the counselor says “here takes these pills” and the pills will numb you to the fact that your life is not as you expect it should be.

      Plus, many boys who won’t act as as compliant as little girls are drugged simply for acting like normal young boys – it is often done to “woosify” and control them in a PC “War on Boys” (read the book). Some of these boys we will see later as angry, sometimes violent, young men who might feel they are victims of our current PC society. I am only part joking when I ask if the PC crowd will next diagnose “manhood” as an illness and, therefore, grounds for disarming normal men, or worse sending them to a Gulag?

      However, even emotionally troubled people, who simply can’t deal with a loveless, chaotic life will see their lives more positively and satisfying when they understand their importance to Jesus Christ the Savior while they understand the greater scheme of life

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    • Mako Dragoon
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 3:04pm

      I am divided on this subject. I have a friend that is a counselor, she is barred by law from reporting someone that is a threat to others unless she knows the name of the person that s/he is a threat to. A person could lay out plans to kill hundreds, if he doesn’t mention a name, she can’t report him. If she did, she could face jail and be barred from working in her profession.

      On the other hand, there have already been cases of veterans losing their gun rights because they have PTSD. They have not been deemed a threat to themselves or others, but rejected because they can’t concentrate long enough to balance a check book.

      The answer isn’t clear, but it certainly needs more than an executive order to clear up.

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    • Trigus
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 3:28pm

      The Real Question: What is the motive behind Barry’s sudden push on Mental health and Firearms?
      Also, How many Active and Ex- Military are currently or at one time under psychiatric care? How about Law Enforcement: How many Active and Ex-Law-Enforcement are under psychiatric care?

      “Some anti-gun organizations have suggested that all mentally ill individuals should be prohibited from purchasing firearms. Just for the sake of argument, how would one go about identifying all mentally ill people?
      The former U.S. Surgeon General estimates that 20 percent of Americans suffer from some type of mental illness. How would mental illness be defined?

      The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services says that “mental illness is any diagnosable, behavioral or emotional disorder that interferes with or limits a person’s ability to live, work, learn and participate fully in the community.”

      Such a broad definition could easily be applied to more than 20 percent of the population. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV), the bible of the mental health profession, even lists cigarette smoking and coffee drinking as mental illnesses.”

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    • dogpatch65
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 4:04pm

      Speaking of sick people, did you see what the left plans to do to your congressmen to get them to play nice on gun control? http://wp.me/p2filR-3Wc

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    • Obama_In_PeePee_Is_Becks_Art
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 5:00pm

      “‘Are You Too Sick to Own a Gun?’: NBC News Lays Out Scary Scenarios in New Gun Control Push”

      “Liberalism is a mental illness”(TM)

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    • guns-an-bibles
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 5:13pm

      It’s ok to lie and say you don’t have a gun. Obummer lies all the time. So, it must be ok!

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    • michaelmoron
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 6:43pm

      I DO NOT COMPLY TO ANYTHING !!!!

      I OWE the FEDERAL “GOVERNMENT” NOTHING !!!!!

      They owe me NOTHING !!!!!

      They DO NOT OWN me and I have not Contracted with them.

      They have gone too far by INFRINGING on our BILL of RIGHTS !!!!

      UNAPPORTIONED TAXES ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL and THEREFORE NULL and VOID !!!!

      I WILL NOT COMPLY !!!!

      iii

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    • NM Leon
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 6:59pm

      Actually this is an area where we need improvement. A number of states don’t report ANY mental cases, even those that are put away in institutions as criminally insane.Those are clearly prohibited people under current law, but they are not reported to NICS.

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    • michaelmoron
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 7:23pm

      Show me a law that states I am subject to losing my Inherent and unalienable rights, due to the judgement from an individual regarding my mental stability.

      Show me how a person gains such authority. A college degree means nothing to me.
      That does not grant authority over the people.

      The BOTTOM LINE is you acknowlegde PUBLIC SERVANTS and PUBLIC TRUSTEES as AUTHORITIES due to extreme IGNORANCE !!!!

      They have NO AUTHORITY OVER YOU. They CAN NOT make you dance or sing.
      The ONLY WAY a TRUSTEE has Authority over a BENEFICIARY under the rules of this TRUST
      (Bill of RIGHTS, Constitution and LAW), are if another Beneficiary has been Damaged. (damaged property, person, theft or breach of contract).

      I will not COMPLY to ANYTHING UNCONSTITUTIONAL and will hold any TRUSTEE responsible for BREACH of TRUST and a VIOLATION of their OATH to the RULES of the TRUST (Constitution).

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    • michaelmoron
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 7:44pm

      This will be entered into evidence:

      “Government is a trust, and the officers of the government are trustees. And both the trust and the trustees are created for the benefit of the people.”

      - Henry Clay

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      Henry Clay, Sr. (April 12, 1777 – June 29, 1852), was a lawyer, politician and skilled orator who represented Kentucky in both the Senate and in the House of Representatives. He served three different terms as Speaker of the United States House of Representatives and was also Secretary of State from 1825 to 1829. He lost his campaigns for president in 1824, 1832 and 1844.
      Clay was a dominant figure in both the First and Second Party systems. As a leading war hawk in 1812, he favored war with Britain and played a significant role in leading the nation to war in the War of 1812.
      Abraham Lincoln, the Whig leader in Illinois, was a great admirer of Clay, saying he was “my ideal of a great man

      Like I believe some ignorant BLAZER, LAWYER or “JUDGE” (hearing officer/public servant and TRUSTEE) before I BELIEVE HENRY CLAY. ROFL.

      Sorry Clowns, the GIG is UP !!!!

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  • Navyguy62
    Posted on January 21, 2013 at 12:10pm

    I have a plan to reduce gun violence… If anyone commits any violent crime with the use of a gun (BB gun and above) then that individual would face public execution by firing squad within three years of conviction. If you use a gun to commit your crime then your punishment should be carried out with a gun!
    Swift justice and a deterant to other would be offenders…

    As far as gun ownership is concerned, if you are a registered voter without a criminal record you should be able to conceal carry a weapon. If bad guys do not know who has a gun they might be less likely to start a problem… Who really wants to get shot anyway!?

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  • Slowman101
    Posted on January 21, 2013 at 11:59am

    Lock n load. Prepare for the coming anarchy.

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  • michael79
    Posted on January 21, 2013 at 11:59am

    Watch this video. Go to the 5:45 mark. Listen to what guns were found and where the AR 15 was.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50137143n

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    • booger71
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 12:26pm

      Didn’t the coroner say later that all of the dead were killed by a .223 round? It is not on the web anymore, but I watched as this all unfolded, and remember watching as the police took the Bushmaster out of the trunk.

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    • BannedByHuffpo
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 12:40pm

      What they took from the trunk was actually a shotgun

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    • lfoa
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 1:31pm

      NO AR 15 mentioned…..

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    • RogueRequest
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 3:23pm

      Ooooooh, conflicting reports. I guess all the recent shootings have been the result of Mossad death squads and really could not be the result of news agencies spewing out unverified facts in order to be the first to regurgitate those facts into the waiting mouths of the American public. Because death squads make so much more sense, I guess anyone who disagrees with me must be a leftist commie lib pro-choice baby killer drug pushing homosexual who plays violent video games, listens to rap music, and masturbates to the Satanic Bible and wants to take my guns!

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    • michaelmoron
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 6:49pm

      THIS is 100% PROOF that the “government” is CORRUPT and CAPABLE of ANYTHING !!!

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

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    • msjoe43
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 9:28pm

      Do you know why President Obama is going after BUSHmaster.

      He hates #President George W. Bush.

      Obama 1st Year in Office President Obama always put the blame on #43 President George W.Bush

      President Obama has passed the buck to others – mainly George W. Bush – for no less than 13 problems that characterize his presidency, suggesting time and again that his own policies are not to blame for his difficulties and he is simply doing the best that can be done with the cards he was dealt.

      Even so, Obama is aggressively staking a claim for successes for which Bush shares significant or nearly all responsibility, including increased drilling for oil and natural gas, the end of the Iraq War, and the killing of Osama Bin Laden.

      What follows is a roster of Obama’s efforts to assign blame for 13 problems that prevail or have faced him during his presidency. In several cases, the quotes here are just one or two of many that show Obama passing the buck on a particular issue.

      The Oil Prices, Solyndra, Afghanistan, Iran, The Economy, The Deficit, The Debt, Unemployment, The BP Gulf Oil Spill, Decline of the nuclear stockpile, The Election of Sen. Scott Brown (R-Mass.), Anti-Americanism, and The Financial Crisis

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    • michaelmoron
      Posted on January 22, 2013 at 5:58pm

      @MSJOE43

      Obama would not “Go after” his cousin.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ldZS9PL9KE

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  • HOOT_OWL
    Posted on January 21, 2013 at 11:56am

    I knew when the were pushing Ritalin on the kids in school every time they sneezed wrong ..and every time someone ‘that has had some kind of emotional trauma in their life‘… They were given mothers little helper to cope…That it would come back and bite everyone involved on the behind.

    Just like when someone hurts themselves and it takes time to get better .There is a difference between short term diagnosis and long term and permanent . Some people that have had a event such as a loved one dieing ,that just takes time to ‘heal’ from.. Unlike some people that have permanent damage ..Just like a person breaking a bone and taking time to heal.
    Most will recover because ‘that’s life’ …!

    I doubt if our government will make that distinction and boiler plate everyone that has had to take medication for some kind of emotional problem. So enter Obama-care and here we go with ‘regulating’ the second amendment away..

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  • BlackCrow
    Posted on January 21, 2013 at 11:54am

    Sounds like the old Soviet Union were dissidents were labeled “mentally ill” and packed off to sanatoriums in Siberia. Some government apparatchik posing as a therapist labels everybody a danger to themselves or others and there goes the Second Amendment. Surprising that Pravda is warning us.

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    • Cavallo
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 12:29pm

      They have turned therapists, psychologists, psychiatrists, and medical family doctors in to spies for The State. Do not trust them. They are the eyes and ears of the State. They have yet to go after priests, but since the priests have sold their catholic souls to the state anyway, there is no reason to trust them either. Kafka and Orwell are likely singing “I told you so!” from the afterlife.

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    • BODYBAG
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 12:30pm

      They used to do it here.
      If you want a good glimpse into how that works watch a movie called “Frances” which is the
      life story of Frances Farmer.

      Frightening stuff. If you were deemed a “problem” and didnt “conform” you got institutionalized
      and possibly the icepick lobotomy.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Farmer

      An idealistic young actress challenges the hypocrisy of her world and becomes the victim of a spiteful mother, a vengeful Hollywood, and a cabal of callous and arrogant psychiatrists. Together they force her into a state mental hospital, where she is brutalized by electric shock and other barbaric treatments; raped by orderlies, fellow inmates, and soldiers from a nearby Army base; and eventually lobotomized. Her rebellious spirit finally shattered, she leaves the institution an atomized half-woman, only a shadow of the vibrant artist she had once been.

      Look up Dr. Walter Freeman for a glimpse at true evil.

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    • BODYBAG
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 1:14pm

      @BODYBAG
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 12:30pm
      Look up Dr. Walter Freeman for a glimpse at true evil.
      ———————————————————————
      Same Dr that did Rosemary Kennedy.
      I swear had I been alive then I would have tracked this Dr down myself and ended his “career” personally.

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    • naughtycal
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 2:30pm

      BB,
      From what I read in the page you posted. It sounds like Frances had serious god complex and she became of victim of her aarogance and elitism. The site also says that the icepick labotomy was only a rumor and no evidence was ever found to prove it happened. My dime would bet on her making it up to further paint herself in the victim roles. I’m not saying that there were some evil evil things happened and are continuing to happen even today mental health industry. I’m say Farmers might not be the best case to make your point.

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    • BODYBAG
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 3:58pm

      @NAUGHTYCAL
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 2:30pm
      BB,
      From what I read in the page you posted. It sounds like Frances had serious god complex and she became of victim of her aarogance and elitism. The site also says that the icepick labotomy was only a rumor and no evidence was ever found to prove it happened.
      ————————————————————–
      Being strong-willed, creative and an independent thinker justifies Third Reich style “treatments”.
      Got it.
      The story has been the target of STRONG revisionist history for decades now because no one
      wants to admit involvement in the horrific manner in which she was treated — particularly because
      she was famous. Much the same as no one wants to discuss Rosemary Kennedy who was treated
      by the same doctor who left her essentially a vegetable.

      No one in the medical or scientific fields wants to remember this —- they’d prefer it quietly just go away and they certainly dont want it elevated to discussion revolving around a famous person:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0aNILW6ILk

      There is spell check built into the site. Use it. Otherwise you come off as both lazy AND an idiot.

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    • BODYBAG
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 4:09pm

      @NAUGHTYCAL
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 2:30pm
      It sounds like Frances had serious god complex
      ————————————————–
      The “god complex” is that of “doctors” & “psychologists” who would unleash such a gruesome
      and horrific practice on people and try to call it a “cure”.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0aNILW6ILk

      Dr Walter Freeman was a Yale man. A Yale graduated medical doctor concocted this and carried it out.
      The medical world and especially the field of psychiatry would rather no one ever brought this up.
      It is an extremely embarrassing stain on their profession

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  • OldVet
    Posted on January 21, 2013 at 11:54am

    Why is it that those who steal guns, who then go and kill movie goers and children in school have never been a conservative NRA member? Common thread is that all of these shooters were progressive liberal Democrats. INTERESTING…,isn’t it?

    Ft Hood -Registered Democrat and Muslim

    Columbine -Too young to vote; both families were registered Democrats and progressive liberals

    Virginia Tech -Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff – Registered Democrat

    Colorado Theater -Registered Democrat; staff worker on the Obama campaign; Occupy Wall Street participant; progressive liberal

    Connecticut School Shooter -Registered Democrat; hated Christians

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  • DZ-015
    Posted on January 21, 2013 at 11:53am

    Take your happy pills before your therapist appointments.

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  • bumfuzeled
    Posted on January 21, 2013 at 11:53am

    Therapist will just stop charting violent tendencies thereby avoiding criminal liability. That further deepens the problem of poor care for those mentally ill folks. Dimocrats really are dim.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 12:06pm

      BUMFUZELED, Well, you have to take a look at the name, therapist…….the rapist.

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  • Ghandi was a Republican
    Posted on January 21, 2013 at 11:52am

    The street price on handguns is going through the roof. Too bad it’s not on the exchange.

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  • woodyee
    Posted on January 21, 2013 at 11:51am

    Huh!

    Like we didn’t see this coming? Sometimes I feel like the inmates are running the asylum.

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    • rjtaurus605
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 1:23pm

      Of-course the inmates are running the asylum, what else could explain their behavior?

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  • environmentalandawake
    Posted on January 21, 2013 at 11:49am

    First off, Aspbergers Syndrom, the condition Adam Lanza had was just taken out of DSM 5 just before this happened. So he would not have been included.

    Second, and more important, doesn’t it concern anyone that the same folk who are trying to legislate out “OUR Rights,” are the same ones who spend like Drunken Teen Agers? They aren’t responsible enough to tell anyone what to do. You couple that with the fact that they have some of the most awsome weapons ever devised, and we have a recipe for disaster.

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  • JoanofAmerica
    Posted on January 21, 2013 at 11:47am

    Well… There go all the therapist jobs. No wait… I wonder if all those stressed out liberals who need therapy because they have so much hatred for us and fear guns will be considered to have issues? Hmmmm

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  • wingedwolf
    Posted on January 21, 2013 at 11:47am

    You have to admit it works brilliantly for the filth on the left. No one goes and gets help and therefore the violence and mass shootings spiral out of control and the public will give the gubmint anything it wants if they will just stop the chaos. Perfect.

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    • donsfirstwife
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 2:34pm

      Now where have I heard that plan before? Just what book is that plan in and who is following it to the letter? Anybody else have a recollection of what has been foretold along these lines?

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  • sister1_rm
    Posted on January 21, 2013 at 11:46am

    I was reading a letter on Canada Free Press from a psyshiatrist saying that mental health doctors are no longer your friends with these executive orders and to stay away from them if you can. That’s very scary advise coming from a mental health doctor.

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    • WarMunger_Al
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 12:05pm

      I wouldn’t mention anything to your regular Dr. either. They are asking the same questions and are being told to report them as well. They are making it dangerous to be open and honest with our healthcare providers. Any veterans separating from the service with PTSD will lose their rights. The VA is already reporting folks with PTSD and depression.

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    • mercenary4freedom
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 1:16pm

      I saw an ad yesterday by some pharmaceutical outfit peddling their wares, they’ve come up with some new condition so they need to sell their experimental drugs.

      Nothing but disease and mental health mongering.

      Here’s good tactical blog, GEAR UP!

      http://maxvelocitytactical.blogspot.com/

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  • tonypro
    Posted on January 21, 2013 at 11:46am

    “Members of Mayors Against Illegal Guns”

    Shouldn’t that be mayors against “legal” guns?

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on January 21, 2013 at 11:44am

    Next on the Obama agenda, gun ownership is a mental illness.

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  • love the kids
    Posted on January 21, 2013 at 11:44am

    Funny how about 4 days later they thought about this, So either in New York state and the Federal Govt., they are too stupid to think of this, or they Have thought about other things that might be included later, like calling members of the Tea Party, “Right Wing Crazies”!!!

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  • oldduffer
    Posted on January 21, 2013 at 11:41am

    Don’t tell your medical Dr. or a Nurse a #amn thing related to your mental condition especially relating to depression or ever had thoughts of suicide? They have a set of questions already sent to them from the government. LIE and then LIE more.
    Your wife have mental problems during pms? She depressed? Headaches? Goofy more than regular? You don’t qualify for a firearm of any kind in the same home. Good Luck with that.

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  • SpankDaMonkey
    Posted on January 21, 2013 at 11:40am

    .
    Well we know who voted for Obama, and those people are some pretty sick puppies….

    Take the guns out of democrat hands and the murder rate would sink like a stone……

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  • justangry
    Posted on January 21, 2013 at 11:39am

    “After both of the tragic mass murders of 2012 — the shootings at a movie theater in Aurora, Colo., and Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn”

    Don’t you just love the way the media conveniently leaves out the mass murders at Fort Hood, or the marine that lost it and went on a shooting spree in Afghanistan?

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  • Exidor
    Posted on January 21, 2013 at 11:34am

    Don’t go see a therapist.

    Clam up.

    Shame.

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  • term limits for congress
    Posted on January 21, 2013 at 11:33am

    Don’t worry, NBC. It will soon be racists to claim someone is mentally ill.

    She ain’t crazy. She’s disenfrancised. She buys guns the way she votes – three-at-a-time.

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  • BODYBAG
    Posted on January 21, 2013 at 11:33am

    Result = Loss of 1st amendment also.

    People are now going to be frightened to speak.
    Wow. What a country. Absolutely outrageous.

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    • oldguy49
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 11:42am

      loss of the 2nd amendment…………loss of all the other’s

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    • BODYBAG
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 11:57am

      @OLDGUY49
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 11:42am
      loss of the 2nd amendment…………loss of all the other’s
      ————————————————–
      I just spoke to a friend of mine — older than me and a Viet Nam vet.
      He was asked by his physician to fill out a form questionaire which contained
      many questions regarding PTSD and such.
      Given this most recent turn he told me “not a snowball’s chance in ***** “

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  • RANGER1965
    Posted on January 21, 2013 at 11:31am

    This leads to way to much mis-interpretation. What if a guy or gal is stressed out, and just wants to vent?

    If they live in fear of their therapist turning them in to the police, then you’ve effectively eliminated the need for a therapist. It’s a neat twist that ensures no one tells a therapist squat.

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    • justangry
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 11:43am

      I’m sick to death over this because of our brothers that haven’t had to deal with their demons yet. Now if they go to the VA, they’ll be demonized and have their rights stripped from them. They’re a proud people, they’ll just not go, but they also won’t get the help they need. This is nothing more than the nation’s elite who have ordered the deaths of millions snubbing the noses at their trigger men who thought they were doing something noble.

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    • booger71
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 12:16pm

      You can get just as much “therapy” for free by talking to a trusted friend. Do not rant on social media, to your doctor, or someone you don’t know.

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    • AUsername
      Posted on January 21, 2013 at 12:31pm

      Mentally ill word will be another Politically Correct words to use for enemy of state just like the made up word Terrorist.

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