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This Is the ‘Homosexual Propaganda’ Ban Russia Might Enact Against Same-Sex Kisses & Gay Rights Events

Jan. 22, 2013 8:27am Billy Hallowell

MOSCOW (TheBlaze/AP) — Kissing his boyfriend during a protest in front of Russia’s parliament earned Pavel Samburov 30 hours of detention and the equivalent of a $16 fine on a charge of “hooliganism.” But if a bill that comes up for a first vote later this month becomes law, such a public kiss could be defined as illegal “homosexual propaganda” and bring a fine of up to $16,000. Clearly, the free-speech implications are profound, as Russia prepares to potentially enact harsh crack-downs on homosexuality.

The legislation being pushed by the Kremlin and the Russian Orthodox Church would make it illegal nationwide to provide minors with information that is defined as “propaganda of sodomy, lesbianism, bisexuality and transgenderism.” It includes a ban on holding public events that promote gay rights. St. Petersburg and a number of other Russian cities already have similar laws on their books.

The bill is part of an effort to promote traditional Russian values as opposed to Western liberalism, which the Kremlin and church see as corrupting Russian youth and by extension contributing to a wave of protest against President Vladimir Putin’s rule.

Russa to Potentially Implement Homosexuality Propaganda Ban Against Gay Rights Events

In this Wednesday, Dec. 19, 2012 file photo Russian gay right campaigner Pavel Samburov (center left) and five other gay rights activists kiss during a protest near the State Duma, Russia’s lower parliament chamber, in Moscow, Russia. (AP Photo/Misha Japaridze, file)

Samburov describes the anti-gay bill as part of a Kremlin crackdown on minorities of any kind — political and religious as well as sexual — designed to divert public attention from growing discontent with Putin’s rule.

The lanky and longhaired Samburov is the founder of the Rainbow Association, which unites gay activists throughout Russia. The gay rights group has joined anti-Putin marches in Moscow over the past year, its rainbow flag waving along with those of other opposition groups.

Other laws that the Kremlin says are intended to protect young Russians have been hastily adopted in recent months, including some that allow banning and blocking web content and print publications that are deemed “extremist” or unfit for young audiences.

Denis Volkov, a sociologist with the Levada Center, an independent pollster, says the anti-gay bill fits the “general logic” of a government intent on limiting various rights.

But in this case, the move has been met mostly with either indifference or open enthusiasm by average Russians. Levada polls conducted last year show that almost two thirds of Russians find homosexuality “morally unacceptable and worth condemning.” About half are against gay rallies and same-sex marriage; almost a third think homosexuality is the result of “a sickness or a psychological trauma,” the Levada surveys show.

Russia’s widespread hostility to homosexuality is shared by the political and religious elite.

Lawmakers have accused gays of decreasing Russia’s already low birth rates and said they should be barred from government jobs, undergo forced medical treatment or be exiled. Orthodox activists criticized U.S. company PepsiCo for using a “gay” rainbow on cartons of its dairy products. An executive with a government-run television network said in a nationally televised talk show that gays should be prohibited from donating blood, sperm and organs for transplants, while after death their hearts should be burned or buried.

The anti-gay sentiment was seen Sunday in Voronezh, a city south of Moscow, where a handful of gay activists protesting against the parliament bill were attacked by a much larger group of anti-gay activists who hit them with snowballs.

In this Saturday, May 16, 2009 file photo a gay rights activist is detained by a police officer in Moscow, Russia. A controversial bill banning “homosexual propaganda” will be submitted to Russia’s lower house of parliament for the first of three hearings Tuesday, Jan. 22. 2013. Credit: AP

The gay rights protest that won Samburov a fine took place in December. Seconds after Samburov and his boyfriend kissed, militant activists with the Orthodox Church pelted them with eggs. Police intervened, rounding up the gay activists and keeping them for 30 hours first in a frozen van and then in an unheated detention center. The Orthodox activists were also rounded up, but were released much earlier.

Those behind the bill say minors need to be protected from “homosexual propaganda” because they are unable to evaluate the information critically. “This propaganda goes through the mass media and public events that propagate homosexuality as normal behavior,” the bill reads.

Cities started adopting anti-gay laws in 2006. Only one person has been prosecuted so far under a law specifically targeted at gays: Nikolai Alexeyev, a gay rights campaigner, was fined the equivalent of $160 after a one-man protest last summer in St. Petersburg.

In November, a St. Petersburg court dismissed a lawsuit filed by the Trade Union of Russian Citizens, a small group of Orthodox conservatives and Putin loyalists, against pop star Madonna. The group sought $10.7 million in damages for what it says was “propaganda of perversion” when Madonna spoke up for gay rights during a show three months earlier.

The federal bill’s expected adoption comes 20 years after a Stalinist-era law punishing homosexuality with up to five years in prison was removed from Russia’s penal code as part of the democratic reforms that followed the Soviet Union’s collapse.

Most of the other former Soviet republics also decriminalized homosexuality, and attitudes toward gays have become a litmus test of democratic freedoms. While gay pride parades are held in the three former Soviet Baltic states, all today members of the European Union, same-sex love remains a crime in authoritarian Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan.

In Russia, gays have been whipsawed by official pressure and persistent homophobia. There are no reliable estimates of how many gays and lesbians live in Russia, and only a few big cities such as Moscow and St. Petersburg have gay nightclubs and gyms. Even there, gays do not feel secure.

When a dozen masked men entered a Moscow night club during a “coming out party” that campaigner Samburov organized in October, he thought they were part of the show. But then one of the masked men yelled, “Have you ordered up a fight? Here you go!” The men overturned tables, smashed dishes and beat, kicked and sprayed mace at the five dozen men and women who had gathered at the gay-friendly Freedays club, Samburov and the club’s administration said.

In this Saturday, May 28, 2011 file photo Russian police officers detain Nadezhda Tolokonnikova, then a member of art-group Voina ( War) during an attempt to hold a gay pride parade in Moscow, Russia. A controversial bill banning “homosexual propaganda” has been submitted to Russia’s lower house of parliament for the first of three hearings Tuesday, Jan. 22, 2013. Credit: AP

Four club patrons were injured, including a young woman who got broken glass in her eye, police said. Although a police station was nearby, Samburov said, it took police officers half an hour to arrive. The attackers remain unidentified.

On the next day, an Orthodox priest said he regretted that his religious role had not allowed him to participate in the beating.

“Until this scum gets off of Russian land, I fully share the views of those who are trying to purge our motherland of it,” Rev. Sergiy Rybko was quoted as saying by the Orthodoxy and World online magazine. “We either become a tolerant Western state where everything is allowed — and lose our Christianity and moral foundations — or we will be a Christian people who live in our God-protected land in purity and godliness.”

In other parts of Russia, gays feel even less secure. Bagaudin Abduljalilov moved to Moscow from Dagestan, a predominantly Muslim region in southern Russia where he says some gays have been beaten and had their hands cut off, sometimes by their own relatives, for bringing shame on their families.

“You don’t have any human rights down there,” he said. “Anything can be done to you with impunity.”

Shortly before moving to Moscow, Abduljalilov left Islam to become a Protestant Christian, but was expelled from a seminary after telling the dean he was gay. He also has had trouble finding a job as a television journalist because of discrimination against people from Dagestan.

“I love Russia, but I want another Russia,” said Abduljalilov, 30, who now works as a clerk. “It’s a pity I can’t spend my life on creative projects instead of banging my head against the wall and repeating, `I’m normal, I’m normal.’ ”

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Comments (70)

TexasHide
Posted on February 4, 2013 at 6:49pm
Some of you shouldn’t be shocked, IT”S RUSSIA!!! What do they expect? If your gay and live in a country that does not tolerate it, stop whining and MOVE!!!! There are plenty of places to live like France, Canada, Germany or the U.S (Blue States). If it’s that important to the gays then leaving shouldn’t be an issue.

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DLV
Posted on January 22, 2013 at 11:11pm
I am quite conflicted on this story. One side of me, the side that hates the act of homosexuality applauds this decision. Me being a christian and all. On the other hand, arresting people for doing what they are free to do (even if I don’t like it) is not right. That being said, Russia isn’t the U.S. so they don’t have the same rights over there as we do unless I’m missing something. Let the record be shown Archie, I’m not a hypocrite.

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- HarryPotter
  Posted on January 22, 2013 at 11:43pm
  Kudos for your honesty and self-awareness on the issue! I may not agree with you, but I certainly respect that you understand the conflict, and did not simply spout off ignorance without deeper thought. Thank you.
  
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- DLV
  Posted on January 22, 2013 at 11:49pm
  HP- No problem. You’re new huh. Just curious about which part you disagree with?
  
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- HarryPotter
  Posted on January 23, 2013 at 12:07am
  Yes I am new. And you said that you hate the act of homosexuality. I am gay, and it has taken me years to come to terms with this, and to accept myself for who I am. I recognize that not everyone approves of homosexuality, but I do not see anything wrong with it, having been through a great deal of soul-searching and inflection. I find the connection of sex to be the ultimate bond of a loving couple, whether gay or straight, and find them to be equal. To try and place one as morally above another would be to put one group of people above another based on how they were born.
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 2:23pm
  Hey Christians, yesterday, while you were worrying about homosexuality, 20,000 children died from starvation.
  
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DefeatTheLeftistPlague
Posted on January 22, 2013 at 7:15pm
I know I’m absolutely tired of “homosexual propaganda” too. We have way too much of it here in the U.S. with outright activism from gays being a daily thing, and all of us on the hetero side called homophobes for daring to not agree with all of the gay agenda. I’m tired of it. Why can’t gays simply live their lives in a less public/less defiant/less in your face kind of way? I dunno…they wrongly think it is a civil rights situation but being gay has nothing to do with civil rights. Here in the U.S. gays have the same rights as everyone else. Enough of the pushing of an agenda on citizens…I think I speak for the clear majority in this country, we know the gays won’t stop, but cmon, enough already.

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- HarryPotter
  Posted on January 23, 2013 at 12:00am
  First of all, we will stop being so “in your face” with our gayness when you stop doing it with your straightness. Fair is fair. I see straight couples openly holding hands walking down the sidewalk, hear men talking about girls or acting too masculine, I see girls with very feminine clothing, I even see some straight couples with rings! The shock of so blatantly showing the whole world who you have sex with!
  Yes, this is over-the-top irony, but the point is that we are not pushing anything on you. We are living our lives, and are doing exactly what straight couples do. If you don’t like it, look the other way.
  
  Second, gay rights are a civil issue because we are not equal yet. This isn’t just about marriage either. It is perfectly legal in many states to be fired just for being gay. Where civil unions are recognized (not everywhere), they are not given the same benefits as straight couples. The benefits that are granted to not carry over state lines, and none are officially recognized by the national government. We do not have or want special rights. We want the rights you already have.
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 2:26pm
  Legalize gay marriage in all 50 states and I’m sure they’ll stop being so in your face. It’s completely absurd to deny gay people fundamental rights like hospital visitations, inheritance rights, etc., because you’re afraid God disapproves.
  
  In 40 years, anti-gay people now will look like racists and segregationists looked 40 years ago. Like ridiculous fools.
  
  Homosexuality is a form of love and as such it deserves our respect.
  
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vaman
Posted on January 22, 2013 at 2:55pm
Now you people like Russia? Ever notice how your god hates the same people you do every time ? To call yourself freedom loving “patriots” is laughable. Your moral code goes as far as your intolerance and hateful words and behavior; while due to your own chosen stupidity, pick-and-choose select bible verses to justify this immorality. This is a great example of why the extremists and radicals of the far right are slowly becoming extinct. Trying so hard to grasp to outdated religious prejudices out of fear of the future. I hope your god is merciful, because many of you will need it.

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- TERossi
  Posted on January 22, 2013 at 3:27pm
  Liberal Fascism 101: hate, attack, blame, lie, deny
  
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- HellboundandDown
  Posted on January 22, 2013 at 3:31pm
  Irony and Intellectual Honesty are just 2 of the many words/ideas that baffle Connedservatives and Liebertarians. .
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on January 22, 2013 at 6:00pm
  Can you tell me what’s outdated about 61% of new cases of HIV each year in this country being attributed to homosexuals VAMAN? That’s not the bible I’m quoting, that’s the latest CDC stats. Unless you believe the CDC is outdated, radical and extremist. I haven’t even touched on the treatment-resistant cases of gonorrhea starting to evidence themselves among homosexuals.
  
  Is that what you call “fear of the future” VAMAN? Ackowledging the un-natural and harmful aspects of homosexual sex and it’s dire consequences for our species, and wanting to avoid the normalization of those consequences from taking root in society? Please by all means tell me what’s to be exuberant and “tolerant” about in light of those numbers.
  
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- HarryPotter
  Posted on January 23, 2013 at 12:31am
  AVENGERK –
  
  And what are those statistics supposed to prove exactly? That unprotected anal intercourse has a higher risk of spreading HIV than ******* intercourse? It does. The lining of the anus is thinner, and more readily absorbs the virus. But this does not mean that there is anything inherently wrong, or less moral about this form. Caution and common sense must be used with all sex as all sex can spread disease. If you are so concerned about the spread of HIV, you should make the motion to outlaw all sex, and only produce children through laboratories, where the genetic material can be screened. If you are focusing on statistics and what is healthiest, I assume you are for banning cigarettes, and large soft drinks, as those create higher risks for cancer and heart disease. Anal intercourse may not be natural to you, but it is natural to many couples, gay and straight.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on January 23, 2013 at 4:07am
  HarryPotter
  
  The lining of the anus is thinner, and more readily absorbs the virus. But this does not mean that there is anything inherently wrong, or less moral about this form.
  
  The word sane come from the Latin word sanus meaning healthy. One would have to believe that someone, who persisted in a acts that were very much unhealthy, was not sane in the original sense or the current sense of the word.
  
  Outside of viruses anaI sex is still unhealthy. Outside the perils of pregnancy & childbirth I have to wonder how many women died throughout history because people dipped their wick in both whole with or without a woman’s knowledge of such acts.
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  I’ll leave you with this. Consider a female that has passed menarche is not retarded & consents to sex. Now why might that still be wrong?
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on January 23, 2013 at 4:17am
  ” I assume you are for banning cigarettes, and large soft drinks, as those create higher risks for cancer and heart disease. Anal intercourse may not be natural to you, but it is natural to many couples, gay and straight.”
  
  I can see Mayor Bloomberg (or his replacement) or Obama care banning Homosexuality. First of all Bloomberg is banning anything that might lead to an increased risk of anything. Second Obamacare supposedly wants to cut costs. So after years of efforts of trying to mitigate the consequences of sexual behavior through education campaigns, they might decide that it is not working & ban gay sex as it has a higher risk. Oh & given they have all your records they will know who you are, if you lie & what is needed to make you well.
  
  Enjoy Obamacare. They will be keeping stats & keeping score.
  
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- HarryPotter
  Posted on January 23, 2013 at 10:36am
  WALKABOUT –
  
  Again, why are you classifying anal sex as unhealthy? Can disease be spread through anal sex? Of course. But disease is also spread through straight sex. Why is straight sex not insane then? If it is about numbers, then what about other unhealthy activities, such as eating junk food, drinking alcohol, or simply not exercising regularly? By your categorization, nearly all of America should be considered insane. And as for the comment about women dying in childbirth, that was due to the trauma of childbirth itself, so related to sex in any way. We have advanced very far with medicine and hospital procedures since the Middle Ages.
  
  As for whether a woman who has had her first period should be able to consent to sex, the obvious answer is no. This has nothing to do with disease or being healthy, it is about maturity. At 10 or 12 years old, no one is psychologically or mentally mature enough to understand the full consequences of sex. This is the reason why pedophilia is wrong. You cannot give consent if you have not reached 18 years old, you are not mature enough to make that decision for yourself yet.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on January 23, 2013 at 5:14pm
  HarryPotter
  
  It is about percentages in part. AnaI sex just has a higher percentage of passing disease such as HIV by 4,700 times as much.
  
  It is also a disease of the mind as well.
  
  As close as we will get to a silver bullet for AIDS is DRACO. I considered it side effects & long term use & it is no cure for AIDS. To an extent it could “cure” you of AIDS a few times. But in the long run it won’t work. Figure it out for yourself.
  
  Anyway we are near the zenith of gay culture. It will be downhill very soon now. Just the nature of the beast.
  
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- HarryPotter
  Posted on January 23, 2013 at 6:10pm
  WALKABOUT –
  
  Not sure where you got the number of 4700, according to the CDC website, the risk is about 2x higher for contracting HIV through anal intercourse compared to ******* intercourse. And this is only for unprotected sex, with condoms, the chances of transmitting the disease drop to almost nothing. Anal sex is not unhealthy, just as other forms of sex are not unhealthy. HIV and other diseases can be spread through nearly all sexual activities, and safe practices should be followed. If percentages bother you, I imagine you would be more interested in smoking, or drinking, or joining Michelle Obama in her fight against obesity.
  
  And homosexuality is certainly not a disease of the mind either. It can be difficult to accept depending on the community and mindset a person is raised around, but denying who you are is the less healthy course here. We are here to stay.
  
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MYoungblood85
Posted on January 22, 2013 at 2:37pm
In 1778, Thomas Jefferson wrote a law in Virginia which contained a punishment of castration for men who engage in sodomy, however, what was intended by Jefferson as a liberalization of the sodomy laws in Virginia at that time was rejected by the Virginia Legislature, which continued to prescribe death as the maximum penalty for the crime of sodomy in that state………just saying

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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 2:32pm
  I’m so sick of people quoting the founding fathers like they were perfect and godlike. They were an extraordinary generation to be sure, but the also kept people as slaves.
  
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Chuck Stein
Posted on January 22, 2013 at 12:57pm
“Those behind the bill say minors need to be protected from “homosexual propaganda” because they are unable to evaluate the information critically.” They do have a point — but are the restrictions applied even in situations where the “gay” people can PROVE that no minors viewed or heard the homosexual propaganda?

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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 2:35pm
  Only on the far right does the idea that homosexuals deserve respect and equal rights “propaganda”
  
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Ghandi was a Republican
Posted on January 22, 2013 at 12:15pm
Nobody wants to see sleazeballs making out. And ‘sleazeball’ doesn’t have anything to do with them being gay. They are just sleazeballs all by themselves. What they are doing is blatantly sleazy and classless.

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- The Third Archon
  Posted on January 22, 2013 at 1:28pm
  The solution, of course, being fascism.
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 2:55pm
  The reason so many straight liberals side with the gay-rights movement is because we don’t want your church imposing their beliefs on them any more than we want them imposed on us. You fools and eat that nonsense up all you want – we want nothing to do with it.
  
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AmericanDreamn
Posted on January 22, 2013 at 12:13pm
No one cares what anyone does in their bedrooms.

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- The Third Archon
  Posted on January 22, 2013 at 3:31pm
  No one…except apparently almost everyone who is a fan of Glenn Beck.
  
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Locked
Posted on January 22, 2013 at 11:29am
It disturbs me how many people are cheering a government outlawing non-harmful behavior simply because it’s behavior they also disagree with. Social conservatives siding with (“former”) communists; the common ground? Big government is fine with both groups as long as it legislates morality.

I personally don’t like any overt and sexualized displays of public affection, but arresting or imposing crippling fines on people for (*gasp!*) kissing in public is at least a grounds for concern, is it not?

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- encinom
  Posted on January 22, 2013 at 1:18pm
  This only proves that the good “christian” sheep of the fringe right wing are not the patriots they claim to be. Instead, they cheer on a dictator and a former KGB officier’s attempt to destroy civil rights, becuase it aligns with their bible based bigotry.
  
  In the hands of the fringe right the Bible is a book of hate. There is little difference between the stance of the typical Blazer reader and the Westboro Baptist Church.
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on January 22, 2013 at 5:46pm
  I’ll transmit that to Vladmir ENCIDIOT…..
  
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The Third Archon
Posted on January 22, 2013 at 11:14am
“The bill is part of an effort to promote traditional Russian values as opposed to Western liberalism, which the Kremlin and church see as corrupting Russian youth and by extension contributing to a wave of protest against President Vladimir Putin’s rule.”
Yeah, THAT’LL be really effective at ameliorating their complaints–because attempting to prohibit public displays of discontent does a lot to remove the discontent itself. LOL.

““We either become a tolerant Western state where everything is allowed — and lose our Christianity and moral foundations — or we will be a Christian people who live in our God-protected land in purity and godliness.””
Yes, that is the problem we’re having here.

““You don’t have any human rights down there,” he said. “Anything can be done to you with impunity.””
Sounds familiar…

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AbrahamsSheepdog
Posted on January 22, 2013 at 10:53am
Whatever. the Wages of sin is death. Reap what you sow.

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FoxRules
Posted on January 22, 2013 at 10:41am
Yeah Encinoman its just all about the moustache kissing and the wrongholing mate. Yep that must be gets TeaParty folks in an hoot and hollar despite your water walker supporting man woman marriage before he realized he needed the under layer for votes since of course all the TeaParty folks want is smaller gov’t and spending under control… You’re all over it mate, great use of big words and attack chatter!

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thegreatcarnac
Posted on January 22, 2013 at 10:27am
Who would have thought that Americans would agree with Russian attitudes and rightfully denounce the attitudes put forward by their own government? Obama the tyrant, has ruined the United States of America…..why do we continue letting him.!?

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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 2:38pm
  Because the majority of the country disagrees with you and wants Obama in office. It is really that simple.
  
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SpankDaMonkey
Posted on January 22, 2013 at 10:19am
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Wow!!!! Obama gets re-elected and The Blaze moderator runs Amock……..

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LiveforFreedom
Posted on January 22, 2013 at 9:58am
We will not last another four years of dictatorship here!!! We are almost bankrupt and he wants to take away the gun rights that are God given inalienable, while being gay is not a god given inalienable right its just alienable!!!

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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 2:44pm
  Please tell me how this has become a dictatorship. The republicans cheated their way into controlling the House, even though nationwide Democrats got a million more votes than Republicans did in House elections.
  
  You crybabies whine and complain about “dictators” but want to make gay marriage illegal (less freedom), want to illegalize abortion in all cases (less freedom), want to restrict access to contraception (less freedom), want to defund public education (you won’t be happy until the rest of America is as stupid as the deep south is). As someone you admire once said (actually he didn’t because he never existed) “You see a splinter in your neighbor’s eye but not the beam in your own”
  
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LiveforFreedom
Posted on January 22, 2013 at 9:54am
Breaking News: God leaves the United States in the cold and moves to Russia, Mil-Dot said it all it seems we are losing more and more freedoms and the so called communist are getting more and more freedoms!!?? The Anti-Christ thing is seeming more real here than not!!

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- encinom
  Posted on January 22, 2013 at 10:51am
  Wow the bible thumping bigots of the Tea ****** party are supporting the brutal regime of a former KGB officer. Just goes to prove that the tea Party is not full of patriots, just angry, ignorant, bigots.
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 2:53pm
  We don’t want your god in our country; I’ve read the Bible and he’s a real jerk.
  
  People like you have been predicting the anti-christ’s imminent return for centuries. What you all have in common is a very loose grip on reality.
  
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barber2
Posted on January 22, 2013 at 9:45am
The word ” discrimination” is a new code word for the Left. One of their many new definitions which they pride themselves in for their superior political evolution ! One of their ” fundamental changes ” to traditional America. Discrimination is now the new substituted word for the old concept of morality . Everything goes in the New Obama America ! Well, everything except guns , manners, and conservative economic policies …..those things are evil and will result in a serious targeting by the Democrat Character Assassination Squad , aka the MSM.

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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 2:50pm
  What fundamental changes? The Fundamental change that gay people should have equal rights? That their life and love choices that do no harm to anyone else should be respected by the state? The fundamental change that religious bigotry should be called out as such? The fundamental change that your church should have no right to infringe on my life?
  
  Gay marriage is legal in New York. And guess what? NYC is still the largest micro-economy in the US. NY still has a more educated populace than the deep south, and has a higher standard of living. In other words, it’s still better than any Red State out there no matter what metric you look at.
  
  Evolve. You’ll be happier.
  
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rose.777
Posted on January 22, 2013 at 9:30am
I love you woodyee !you can speak for me anytime

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woodyee
Posted on January 22, 2013 at 9:14am
“I love Russia, but I want another Russia,” said Abduljalilov, 30, who now works as a clerk. “It’s a pity I can’t spend my life on creative projects instead of banging my head against the wall and repeating, `I’m normal, I’m normal.’ ”

THERE YOU GO. IF THAT DOESN’T SAY IT ALL. Sexual abnormaility MUST be accepted, or the WHOLE COUNTRY must change to fit my perverted sexual agenda, so that I AM accepted as normal.

They’re all in need of couch-time, meds, or hopitalization. The APA shrink that famously said homosexaul activity was normal, RECANTED some years ago, but with all the gays and socialists in the APA, you’ll get as much truth about sexual deviancy from them as you’ll get on global warming from East Anglia…

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- ranepowel
  Posted on January 22, 2013 at 11:52am
  Um…no one from the APA recanted, so please, PLEASE stop spreading that lie. The man who was most responsible for getting homosexuality removed from the DSM II later said that he thought there was some benefit to therapy to help members of the homosexual community turn to a more socially-acceptable straight lifestyle.
  
  But!
  
  He then said, and I quote directly, “”I believe I owe the gay community an apology for my study making unproven claims of the efficacy of reparative therapy. I also apologize to any gay person who wasted time and energy undergoing some form of reparative therapy because they believed that I had proven that reparative therapy works with some ‘highly motivated’ individuals.”
  
  Source: http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/story/2012-05-18/researcher-apologizes-for-study-of-gay-therapy/55068504/1
  
  Again. Stop trying to purposefully spread lies.
  
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- TheGrtDcptn
  Posted on January 22, 2013 at 4:57pm
  ‘Again. Stop trying to purposefully spread lies.’
  
  Why…?!…It’s what YOUR side does best…
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on January 22, 2013 at 5:49pm
  Yeah ummmm RAVINGPOWELL? Dr Charles Socarides has outlined very clearly how social lobby groups NOT clinical research got homosexuality removed from the APA’s list of psychological disorders.
  But by all means..show me the genetic pointer to homosexuality of it’s not a psychological phenomenon.
  I’ll be waiting.
  
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- The Third Archon
  Posted on January 22, 2013 at 5:54pm
  Funny how conservatives (well, specifically Beck and his followers) make a big show of how compassionate they are for people with special needs and mental disabilities, yet despite the fact that they (and pretty much they alone) continue to brand homosexuality as “mental illness” (really anything that doesn’t fit their arbitrary conceptions of “proper sexuality”), the love, compassion, and understanding SUDDENLY dries up for THAT “mental illness”–double standard much?
  
  So either conservatives are shameless hypocrites, OR they don’t REALLY believe the tripe they spout about homosexuality being a “mental illness.”
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on January 22, 2013 at 6:08pm
  By all means ARCHIE….please direct me to the genetic pointer to homosexuality in human beings if it’s not a psychological phenomemon.
  And if there isn’t a genetic pointer…why isn’t it a psychological state to you? I’ll tell you why champ..because your lefty handlers told you it isn’t and that’s good enough for you.
  
  And then little ARCHIE the “ANARCHIST” (your emphasis) tell me why you believe there’s nothing wrong with over 60% of new HIV cases each in this country each year attributed to homosexuals…that’s an over-representation of more than 2000%. You’re the secularist, progressive lefty…you’re smarter than conservatives right? That’s what your handlers have told you to believe anyway..so why so many HIV cases each year if homosexuality is perfectly normal and safe little fella? I haven’t even mentioned the growing concern of treatment-resistant gonorrhea among homosexuals that..wait for it…makes them even more susceptible to HIV infection.
  Please….explain why all this is perfectly normal and acceptable to you little guy. This should be a hoot.
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on January 22, 2013 at 6:32pm
  yeah that’s what I figured ARCHIE…you’ve got nothing. You’re quick with your “hypocrite conservatives” line but you fall silent at the slightest questioning of your position.
  By the way, I entertain no delusions that I’ve made you question your flaccid beliefs ARCHIE, you’re way too indoctrinated for something like that…but it’s always a pleasure to silence a liberal automaton like you especially after such an overt display of liberal elitism as you just offered here.
  Squirm away little guy.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on January 23, 2013 at 3:54am
  It was not until I saw ranepowel’s post on Christianity & evolution yesterday that I realized why ranepowel posts at a site they detest & they are so animated.
  
  The same doctor that was instrumental in delisting homosexuality also conducted an experiment in therapy for people not wanting to be gay. His conclusion was that it was possible but extremely unlikely. For that he was pilloried meaning a lot of pressure was brought to bear.
  
  So any recantation of his study is not to be believed. Character assassination or taking away funding can be as effective as thumb screws & other torture.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on January 23, 2013 at 3:59am
  ranepowel
  
  Nice link. I read it. It does not prove your assertion :)
  
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bluntforce
Posted on January 22, 2013 at 9:09am
Maybe this is why Putin stopped American’s from adopting Russian kids. He wants us to adopt his ****’-sexer’s. I’m sure Obama will get right on this, as soon as he’s through disarming his own “subjects.”

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woodyee
Posted on January 22, 2013 at 8:59am
- and attitudes toward gays have become a litmus test of democratic freedoms –

Acceptance of Immorality is equivalent to achieving freedom? In who’s perverted mind? If THAT were true, let’s have true democracy and abolish laws against anything except loyalty to the government.

Get the flock outta here!

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- woodyee
  Posted on January 22, 2013 at 9:06am
  I’m also sick of this nonsensical term “homophobia”. If anything, it should be renamed homosexphobia and praised as part of the natural Darwinian order of Mother Earth, and praised in Churches as part of scriptural teaching.
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 3:01pm
  It’s only immoral in your small mind. In that ridiculous bronze age book you worship, so is blending fabrics in a sweater.
  
  Imagine this: you wife is dying from an incurable disease and has only hours to live. You’re not allowed to spend it with her because her family doesn’t like you. Then, the benefits she had that you and your family rely on are not bestowed upon you. Not her pension, not her health insurance, nothing. While you are mourning, you are told by religious right fanatics that your inherent sexuality is evil.
  
  This is the effect your damned churches have had on the lives of gay people. We say enough. Your religion is ridiculous. Your beliefs are stupid. I don’t want them imposed on gay people, and I don’t want them imposed on me. We’ve had enough of your bullsh!t.
  
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Mil-Dot
Posted on January 22, 2013 at 8:53am
It’ like Russia is becoming what we used to be and we are becoming their former. i agree with them. This so called “tolerance” crap is what has ruined this country. Tolerance means that people are supposed to accept deviant behavior and not object. That is what tolerance is. All the perverts and trouble makers get special privilege and the rest of us get to suck eggs.

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- DoseofReality
  Posted on January 22, 2013 at 11:42am
  what special priveledge are gay folks getting?
  
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- ranepowel
  Posted on January 22, 2013 at 11:56am
  I, too, would LOVE to know what special treatment gays receive in this country.
  
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- MYoungblood85
  Posted on January 22, 2013 at 2:39pm
  Preach it bro!
  
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woodyee
Posted on January 22, 2013 at 8:51am
Russia’s learned from our mistakes – good for them!

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SquidVetOhio
Posted on January 22, 2013 at 8:44am
“We either become a tolerant Western state where everything is allowed — and lose our Christianity and moral foundations — or we will be a Christian people who live in our God-protected land in purity and godliness.”

This is being said in Russia. It’s like I’m living in the Twilight Zone.

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- barber2
  Posted on January 22, 2013 at 9:46am
  Agree. We have gone down the Rabbit Hole…
  
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progressiveslayer
Posted on January 22, 2013 at 8:32am
Looks like Barry won’t be able to visit Russia anytime soon.

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- netmail
  Posted on January 22, 2013 at 8:45am
  Barry is going to Las Vegas.
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on January 22, 2013 at 8:53am
  He’ll be offering all the Russian gays asylum in the U.S. to expand his base.
  
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- progressiveslayer
  Posted on January 22, 2013 at 9:06am
  Gonzo They’ll expand something for him,remember he said he’d be more flexible after the election.
  
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