BURLINGTON, Vt. (TheBlaze/AP) — A Virginia pastor convicted of helping a woman and her daughter involved in a custody dispute with the woman’s former lesbian partner was taken into federal custody Thursday after refusing to answer questions about others involved in the flight posed by grand jury investigating the custody case.
Before surrendering his belt and wallet and being handcuffed by court officers, Kenneth Miller, of Stuarts Draft, Va., apologized to U.S. District Court Judge William Sessions for burdening the court, but he said his religious beliefs prevented him from complying with the court’s order that he testify about others involved in the 2009 flight of Lisa Miller and her daughter. The Millers are not related. TheBlaze first covered this complicated case back in June 2011.
“I am willing to submit myself to whatever” the court decides, the 47-year-old Miller said Thursday during a court hearing called after he refused to answer questions from the grand jury sitting at the federal courthouse in Burlington.
Sessions was reluctant to order Miller held, and he gave him several chances to change his mind.
Kenneth Miller, right, walks with his wife to federal court on Thursday, Jan. 24, 2013 in Burlington, Vt. Miller of Virginia, convicted of helping a woman and her daughter flee the country rather than share custody of the girl, is due to testify before a federal grand jury.(AP Photo/Toby Talbot)
“We can’t function as a criminal justice system without the grand jury,” Sessions said. “I appreciate your faithfulness to your religion and your moral beliefs and perhaps there is an inherent conflict here.”
One of Kenneth Miller’s lawyers said he didn’t believe incarcerating Miller would induce him to agree to testify, but Sessions said there was no way to find out unless Miller spent time in jail. Sessions scheduled another hearing in a week to see if Miller would change his mind.
After Miller was taken into custody, his wife Linda, in court along with a handful of other supporters, said she wasn’t surprised by the court’s action.
“He will always be my husband,” she said. “Until death do us part.”
Miller was convicted last summer by a jury of helping Lisa Miller and her daughter, Isabella, travel from Virginia to Nicaragua via Canada in September 2009 so Lisa Miller would not have to comply with court orders that she allow her former partner, Janet Jenkins, of Fair Haven, to visit with her the girl. Two months after they disappeared, a Vermont family court judge transferred custody of the girl to Jenkins.
Lisa Miller and Isabella are believed to be in Nicaragua.
Janet Jenkins, left, leaves federal court in Burlington, Vt., on Friday, Aug. 10, 2012. Prosecutors in the trial of Kenneth Miller called Jenkins to the stand on Friday. The 46-year-old Miller is charged with helping Lisa Miller and her daughter Isabella flee the country in September 2009 after a years-long custody dispute. (AP Photo/Wilson Ring)
Jenkins and Lisa Miller were joined in a Vermont civil union in 2000 and Isabella was born to Lisa in 2002. The couple split in 2003. The Vermont family court gave custody of Isabella to Lisa Miller, but gave Jenkins regular visitation.
Lisa Miller then returned to Virginia, became a conservative Christian, renounced homosexuality and sought full custody of the girl. The legal case played out for years, until they disappeared.
Kenneth Miller is facing up to three years in prison on his conviction. Sentencing is scheduled for March 4.
Miller had fought efforts to compel him to testify, but earlier this month the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York rejected arguments that he was being forced to testify against himself because he had been granted immunity from prosecution for anything he told the grand jury.
Before Sessions ordered that Miller be held, the two engaged in an unusual philosophical debate between the bench and the defense table. Miller said he couldn’t testify because it would implicate others who helped Lisa Miller and her daughter flee who were also motivated by God’s law, which they feel trumps civil law. Sessions countered that his job is to uphold the sanctity of the legal system and it is a citizen’s duty to comply with orders to testify about their knowledge of crimes.
One of Miller’s attorneys, David Bercot, an Anabaptist lawyer from Amberson, Pa., said after the hearing that Miller answered some of the questions from the grand jury, but he wouldn’t talk about others involved in getting Lisa Miller and Isabella out of the country because of their shared beliefs.
“These people they wanted him to testify against are fellow citizens of God’s kingdom,” Bercot said. “And it’s like, you wanted me to be a rat, you know, to turn on my fellow citizens. That’s basically what it came down to.”
Bercot said Miller made the decision years ago to suffer the legal consequences to keep Lisa Miller and Isabella apart from Jenkins.
“He is acting on what Lisa Miller told him are the facts of the case,” Bercot said. “It’s all based on that, it’s not just, `oh, someone’s a homosexual we are going to take their child from them.’ That is not what we would believe.”
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VoteRightDammit
Jan. 25, 2013 at 3:54pmLocked: thanks also for the rants.
It’s useful (to all here who may have otherwise been swayed by your claim to be a Christian, not a gay activist) that you confirmed who & what you truly are.
Fine job!
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Locked
Jan. 25, 2013 at 4:04pm“that you confirmed who & what you truly are.”
A Christian?
Always happy to be a follower of Christ! May you be the same :-)
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Git-R-Done
Jan. 25, 2013 at 2:55pmAmong them is testimony by clinical therapist Sylvia Haydash, who had two clinical sessions with Isabella and observed her for an hour on another occasion. She concluded that the visits were doing serious harm to the child, causing anxiety, renewed bed-wetting, and general psychological regression.
“Isabella appears to have been traumatized by the limited visitation thus far, a serious consequence, taking Isabella in a negative direction as compared to Isabella’s condition before the recent visitations where she was a child that was well-adjusted, flourishing, above-the-curve developmentally, verbally gifted, and readily able to separate from Lisa and meet with other people,” wrote Haydash in 2007.
“At this point, after only two supervised two-hour visits, and the resulting regressive behaviors, it is my clinical opinion that leaving Isabella unsupervised with Janet for visitations would needlessly exacerbate Isabella’s trauma,” Haydash also stated. She added, “I further believe that unsupervised visits would be detrimental to Isabella at this time and could cause permanent damage to normal development.”
Gwen Corley, a social worker who also observed Isabella, noted the traumatic effects of Isabella’s relationship with Jenkins
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VoteRightDammit
Jan. 25, 2013 at 2:40pmSome here (like “Locked”) are spreading distortions & outright lies to favor lesbianism. For any who are confused or interested, here are the real facts:
* Lisa is the mother; Janet has no biological relationship to little Isabella.
* Lisa wanted a child; Janet was indifferent.
* While partnered, Janet was “the man” (worked, with Lisa a stay-at-home Mom).
* While partnered, Janet expressed little interest in little Isabella and rarely acted as would a parent.
* Upon ending the ‘partnership’, Janet actually HELPED Lisa and her child Isabella relocate from Vermont to the town in Virginia where Lisa grew up so she could live close to her parents.
* After the move Janet expressed little interest in seeing little Isabella … that is, until she ‘partnered’ with another (activist) lesbian. She then retained a high-profile lesbian activist attorney to secure the “parental” rights she had never before wanted.
Lisa originally complied. However, little Isabella soon became very unhappy with being shipped to Vermont for weekends and became anxious and agitated prior to each such event. Finally, when LIsa found out Janet and her new lesbian partner were bathing naked with little Isabella, LIsa ended the weekend visitation FOR THE GOOD OF HER (not Janet’s) child.
As most know, it was then the far left, pro-gay Vermont court ruled in favor of the non-parent Janet, even going to far as to strip the REAL mother of ALL custody! Then Lisa took off.
Spirit
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Git-R-Done
Jan. 25, 2013 at 2:52pmAmen to that.
But facts don’t matter to the far left wing lunatics. All that matters is the LGBT agenda.
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Locked
Jan. 25, 2013 at 3:11pm@Vote
You called me out, and I come to refute! Also, see my criticism below: you’re the only one calling this group a cult. Lying is a sin; might want to work on that.
“* Lisa is the mother; Janet has no biological relationship to little Isabella.”
But they were married, and Janet was legally a parent as well.
“* Lisa wanted a child; Janet was indifferent.”
She says – she says. Cite that, please.
“* While partnered, Janet was “the man” (worked, with Lisa a stay-at-home Mom).”
Point being? Are you saying fathers should not have custody rights because they can provide for a family?
“* While partnered, Janet expressed little interest in little Isabella and rarely acted as would a parent.”
And again – citation? I have NO doubt that an angry ex-wife would say something like this… do you?
” * Upon ending the ‘partnership’, Janet actually HELPED Lisa and her child Isabella relocate from Vermont to the town in Virginia where Lisa grew up so she could live close to her parents.”
And… point? Good, sounds like a nice thing to do. Janet still had visitation rights.
” * After the move Janet expressed little interest in seeing little Isabella … that is, until she ‘partnered’ with another (activist) lesbian. She then retained a high-profile lesbian activist attorney to secure the “parental” rights she had never before wanted.”
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. Your citations for any of this?
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VoteRightDammit
Jan. 25, 2013 at 3:20pmLocked:
1. I’ll let you do your own research. Get your own citations,.
2. You seem to feel all the TRUE and ACCURATE things about this case are of no import (such as, “Janet has no biological tie to little Isabella; had little parental involvement; sought no visitation after LIsa & Isabella returned to Virginia until many months later, etc.) YET THIS ALL GOES TO MOTIVE. I guess you care not a whit about that, though.
3. When a little girl is being used as fodder by lesbians in a pro-gay fight, you SHOULD be rallying around the little girl. Interesting you are not.
4. My mistake about you calling Christianity a “cult” … upon review, you used the word ‘sect’.
Anything else?
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Locked
Jan. 25, 2013 at 3:23pm“Lisa originally complied. Finally, when LIsa found out Janet and her new lesbian partner were bathing naked with little Isabella, LIsa ended the weekend visitation FOR THE GOOD OF HER (not Janet’s) child.”
You forgot to say that Miller had been flaking out on the visitations for YEARS before this point. For two years, Janet was not allowed to see her child, until the Vermont Supreme Court intervened. And the bath reference, might I add, is also hearsay disavowed by Janet and was complained in the same breath that the women were reading books like “Heather has two mommies.” Those two things are totally equivalent right?
No! If a naked adult is bathing with your child, you call the police! Or at least a logical person would.
“As most know, it was then the far left, pro-gay Vermont court ruled in favor of the non-parent Janet, even going to far as to strip the REAL mother of ALL custody! Then Lisa took off.”
As she had several times before when Janet had driven 10 hours to come see her daughter. Miller took off, let the family pets starve to death, and broke federal law. Honestly, the court seemed to gauge Miller quite right – the woman broke the law multiple times, and finally skipped the country.
I recommend reading the NYT article on this; much better info than Vote has.:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/us/a-civil-union-ends-in-an-abduction-and-questions.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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Locked
Jan. 25, 2013 at 3:28pm@Vote
“I’ll let you do your own research. Get your own citations,.”
You’re quoting World Net Daily. I think that says plenty ;-)
“YET THIS ALL GOES TO MOTIVE.”
Whose motive? If Miller was accusing Jenkins of sexual abuse, she should have called the police. Obviously the court didn’t think much of it, when she immediately followed up with “She’s reading pro-gay books to my child!!!”
“3. When a little girl is being used as fodder by lesbians in a pro-gay fight, you SHOULD be rallying around the little girl. Interesting you are not.”
I am. She belongs in the US, where she can legally see both of her parents. Make no mistake: both of these women seem hateful to me. But Miller is in the wrong here, legally and morally. What kind of response is “I’m going to break federal law and kidnap you because I hate my ex so much”? A terribly immoral one, no?
“4. My mistake about you calling Christianity a “cult” … upon review, you used the word ‘sect’.”
Indeed. There are hundreds of sects of Christianity. The ones in the article are a branch of Mennonites, the pastor in this article aided in kidnapping a child. Glad we’re clear on that.
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Locked
Jan. 25, 2013 at 3:36pm@Vote
Thinking about it, shame on you. You’ll lie and insult and turn this poor child’s future into some toy to kick around. I don’t think either of these women are good people; and I think that Isabella is the one who is suffered, hunted like the criminal that her mother is, whisked out of the United States to a third world country, forced to live in a commune away from the rest of the world because her mother is too full of hatred to allow visitation by her ex.
I honestly hope for the best for Isabella, and I think that the best would have been her living here in the US with her birth mother (before she went criminalistic, of course). Short of that, I hope she’s doing ok with the situation she’s stuck in.
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VoteRightDammit
Jan. 25, 2013 at 3:51pmLocked
Shame on you. Either you are a newcommer to this story and are simply ignorrant or are an intentional liar. Either way you are not a super “Christian” – either lacking totally in humility (arrogant) or a liar.
There is a wheel-barrel full of public knowledge information on this case – going back to the (public) Vermont ‘divorce’ hearing, the original Vermont custody (pro gay, damn the kid) trials, the Virginia appeal, and the subsequent witch hunt conducted by the Vermont gay court. Why you would seek to assume someone’s information stems from a WND article (of which I know nothing) is puzzling …. perhaps sheer stupidity?
Your comments about the post-’divorce’ antics of both Lisa and Jenkins are simply false.
Get a grip, get God, get a clue, and get knowledge. As they say, “It does a body good”.
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VoteRightDammit
Jan. 25, 2013 at 4:05pmYes, yes, Locked. Rant on.
You support the lesbian over the mother “because the mother is a law breaker”. Interesting.
Now, not being a Christian (and, I’d posit, not having much “religious” knowledge) I’m guessing you don’t know this story, but I’ll cite it anyway. You can query the NY Times to corroborate if it is true:
About 3,000 years ago Pharaoh ordered all first-born sons int he land be slain. Moses’ Mom decided she didn’t want her son slain; instead, put him in a reed basket and floated him down the Nile. The basket was found by Pharaoh’s daughter; the child was subsequently raised in Pharaoh’s house and grew up to be the second most powerful man in the land. But, the “criminal” mindset so clearly exhibited by the real mother had apparently poisoned Moses’ mind and he later killed a man who was physically beating a Jew; Moses fled to the Sinai and spent many decades as a goat herder for hire, then returned to lead the Jews out of slavery. The result: the Jewish nation; Israel; the Torah (Moses wrote it); the Bible; Christianity, modern law, etc. etc. etc.
BUT YOU THINK THIS ALL TO BE TERRIBLE AND SUPPORT PHARAOH …. THE MOTHER SHOULD HAVE KILLED THE LITTLE BRAT, HUH?
As I said: what a loon!
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Locked
Jan. 25, 2013 at 4:05pm@Vote
“Get a grip, get God, get a clue, and get knowledge. As they say, “It does a body good”.”
May you do the same. While you focus on the body, I’ll do the same for the soul!
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Locked
Jan. 25, 2013 at 4:14pm@Vote
Oh, you’re still responding. Thought you had said your piece and moved on.
“You support the lesbian over the mother “because the mother is a law breaker”. ”
False. I support the child’s right to live freely and safely in her country of origin. I disagree with Miller not because she’s a lawbreaker, but because no logical person thinks that their best option is to kidnap their own child and flee the country!
“Now, not being a Christian (and, I’d posit, not having much “religious” knowledge) I’m guessing you don’t know this story, but I’ll cite it anyway.”
Sorry, I thought you were a Christian. The story of Pharaoh is interesting, but a poor parallel to this case. If Jenkins was going to kill her child, I’d say Miller fleeing would be the moral position to take. Considering Miller’s accusations were sexual abuse (which she refused to file a criminal report for) and reading a book that’s about dealing with two mothers (which, incidentally, is what Isabella has to deal with)… I think that falls a bit short of killing.
But hey, perhaps you think that fleeing the country is a totally justified response if your child reads a pro-gay book, or equate that book to stabbing a child to death. I’d argue that that makes you pretty crazy too, honestly.
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blinknight
Jan. 26, 2013 at 7:23amNow would be a moment for you to sit down and reflect on how little you understand people much less children. Having some involvement with child custody if only tangentially I can make a good guess as to what happened here. After becoming a Christian, the mother with custody started filling the child’s head with talk about hell and how bad homosexuals were.
And that is why the child had psychological problems. In one house she’s being scared to death with nightmarish proclamations and in the other house she’s seeing and hearing precisely the opposite.
‘You don’t KNOW that!’
I ‘know’ that just as well as you ‘know’ some of the things you claim you do with the added benefit of having seen this very same drama play out once before for precisely the reasons described. The fact that they ran off to another country with the help of a pastor sort of ‘clinches’ this.
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davecorkery
Jan. 25, 2013 at 1:27pmThe pastor adheres to a christian version of Sharia law: Our side is right, and to hell with the law. How is this different than what the muslims do? Another case of typical christian hypocrisy.
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mcsledge
Jan. 25, 2013 at 2:26pmYou know that famous statement judges like to make on murderers….may God have mercy on your soul.
One day most every judge in this world will be stating….may God have mercy on my soul…..because they failed to live according to God’s law.
Don’t get me wrong. Every sin has its degree of severity. But God will not hold one blameless who has failed to repent of his/her wrong doings.
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by faith
Jan. 25, 2013 at 1:06pmWhere are all the Catholics lining up to condemn this pastor and all non-denominationals.
Oh wait, the guilt by association thing, that what you Catholic haters do.
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1FreeVoice
Jan. 25, 2013 at 10:52amborn in 2002 would make her about 9 perhaps nearly 10. I feel sorry for Isabella. Yanked around by the adults, separated from one of her parents, dragged out of the country… I don’t know if she will adapt to her new environment or rebel against it, but it has to be frightening and hurtful.
I see a bit of bashing on the grown-ups. The kid being given a chance to speak for herself, is she? What about her hopes and fears, her love for her parents being dragged through this hostility and confusion? I hear some people seem to think that it’s important to teach Christian values to the girl… It’s hard to teach love for god while showing hostility and distrust for your
fellow (wo)man. I don’t think the Christians are doing a good job on this one.
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hi
Jan. 25, 2013 at 12:26pmThe court awarded custody to the non-biological mother. Sorry but I would do everything possible even break laws to protect my baby. I would not allow any court to take away my baby. She is probably safe and protected in Belize where homosexuality is illegal.
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hi
Jan. 25, 2013 at 1:10pmAlso, if the lesbian were the biological-mom and Rosie O’Donnel helped her escape, I’d be on the side of the lesbian.
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The Third Archon
Jan. 25, 2013 at 10:27am““He is acting on what Lisa Miller told him are the facts of the case,””
A source that seems TERRIBLY credible…
“Bercot said. “It’s all based on that, it’s not just, `oh, someone’s a homosexual we are going to take their child from them.’ That is not what we would believe.””"
RIIIIIIIGHT…
In the end, he’s only screwing himself and the baby–himself because it’s him, not Miller, who will be rotting in prison for her freedom; the baby because Nicaragua PROBABLY isn’t the ideal place for a single (probably not extravagantly well-resourced, but who knows) American mother to raise a child.
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Git-R-Done
Jan. 25, 2013 at 2:54pmThat child is better in Nicaragua with a single mother than she is with a lesbian.
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VanGrungy
Jan. 25, 2013 at 10:25amThe Lesbian is pushing to own the child for indoctrination into pure anti-Christian hate
It’s pretty obvious.
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The Third Archon
Jan. 25, 2013 at 10:45amBecause her current custodian is an EXEMPLAR of Christian love, compassion, and acceptance–LOL XD
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Git-R-Done
Jan. 25, 2013 at 2:45pmArchie – What you consider to be love and compassion aren’t that at all. And Christianity doesn’t mean accepting everything and everyone.
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redskins
Jan. 25, 2013 at 9:57amI work with Ken Miller. I know this man and his family. He doesn’t hate homosexuals. He is a man of peace. He is a true follower of Jesus Christ. He has more respect for the bible and his God than he does the law of man. Jesus himself was called names, mocked, and murdered yet in the end over 500 hundred people saw him after he was resurrected. Death could not defeat this man because he was God. One day he will come to judge this world based on the word of God not some law created by some judge. The United States is a country that no longer honors God and those that speak out against Ken clearly walk in spiritual darkness. So you can mock me too because as Jesus said the servant is not greater than his master if they do it to me they will do it to you. But he also said in the world you will have tribulation but be of good cheer for I have overcome the world.
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hi
Jan. 25, 2013 at 12:21pmI love your post!
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OhioMarcus
Jan. 25, 2013 at 9:25amThere ae bunch of liberal kooks on here….. the woman did not kidnap the kid – she gave birth to it, and I can understand why since she is a Christian she wouldn’t want the kid around a lesbian, having wrong ideas and beliefs instilled in her. And it may sound trite to Bible haters, but God does not recognze gay relationships and says that lifestyle is wrong, so I would bet all I have that God would be on the biological mother’s side on this one, and the Bibl even gives allowance for breaking the law when it goes against what we believe
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Locked
Jan. 25, 2013 at 9:45amI’m neither a liberal nor a kook, but I am a Christian. And while I agree homosexual behavior is sin, God loves all of his children.
“she gave birth to it, and I can understand why since she is a Christian she wouldn’t want the kid around a lesbian, having wrong ideas and beliefs instilled in her.”
You don’t think the better option would have been, you know, sticking to the custody settlement that had originally been legislated, and then just telling her daughter “your mommy and I aren’t seeing each other any more.”
Christ speaks directly on the immortality of divorce, but I don’t see that as any reason that a heterosexual mother alone should have custody.
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vaman
Jan. 25, 2013 at 8:52amThe far right religious radicals are now kidnapping children and then condoning the behavior. Those people are disturbed and this guy should remain in jail until he decides that his backwards religious views are secondary to kidnapping. He should remain in jail until he tells the authorities everything they want to know. Fanatics like him and anyone believing the same thing are criminals.
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VanGrungy
Jan. 25, 2013 at 10:22amLesbian mental illness should not be forced on a child
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calyptratus
Jan. 25, 2013 at 1:49pmWoe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
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calyptratus
Jan. 25, 2013 at 1:55pmVaman do you really believe this sapho cares about the girl? This is a gay rights ploy to try to keep the country on the path to gommorah
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Locked
Jan. 25, 2013 at 8:38amSeems a bit excessive. I’m wondering if he’s been sentenced yet for aiding in the kidnapping though; back in August he was found guilty and could face up to three years in jail.
Frankly, I hope it happens soon. The entire situation is disturbing, including the views of Miller’s supporters who think it’s completely fine to kidnap a child and smuggle her to a religious commune in South America rather than allow the child to see her step-parent every other weekend.
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PrzLesu
Jan. 25, 2013 at 8:58amI must have missed the part about religous commune, kidnapping, and smuggling, And who is the step-parent?
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Locked
Jan. 25, 2013 at 9:27am@Prz
“I must have missed the part about religous commune, kidnapping, and smuggling”
Then you haven’t followed the story. IIRC, it goes like this: The two women were married legally in Vermont; one (Miller; there are three Millers in this story, by the way) went through in vitro, conceived, and had a child. After a few years the married couple fought, and divorced. Miller, as the birth mother, had primary custody; her ex-wife had weekend visitation rights.
Miller joined a strict Mennonite sect soon after, and her ex-wife soon started hearing what she considered to be “disturbing” religious teachings when her daughter visited on the weekend. Soon after, Miller stopped allowing her ex-wife to see their daughter. The ex-wife went to court, and the court agreed that Miller needed to allow visitation. She didn’t. The court then charged Miller with breaking the custody agreement, and awarded custody to her ex-wife instead while Miller came to court. Instead, Miller was helped by her fellow religious community, who smuggled her and her child out of the country – while she was due to come to court (and thus violating federal law). She is currently believed to be living in a Mennonite commune in South America.
Two pastors, Timothy Miller and Kenneth Miller (all with no relation) were charged in the kidnapping. Kenneth Miller was found guilty last August and can face up to three years. Miller herself is still at large.
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VoteRightDammit
Jan. 25, 2013 at 2:22pmLocked:
Your rendition contains just enough in the way of facts as to be believable to those who are ignorant of the real story. That, however, does not change the fact your rendition is patently false and inaccurate.
More to the point, though is the fact you think CHRISTIANITY is a “CULT”, yet seem to believe “lesbianism” to be mainstream! You are aware, are you not, that lesbians comprise a scant 1.8% of the population, and:
* Are rife with gay-on-gay violence;
* Are rife with infidelity and inability to sustain relationships;
* Have woeful records on substance abuse and mental illness;
* Suffer from a host of physical illnesses at rates far exceeding that in the general population.
I’d say a caring friend or family member should do anything and everything possible to help a lesbian leave that sad life choice behind … and commit their life to something more in line with what offers actual happiness. Take, for example, CHRISTIANITY …
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Locked
Jan. 25, 2013 at 3:07pm@Vote
“More to the point, though is the fact you think CHRISTIANITY is a “CULT””
I… what?
I’m a Christian, buddy. A quick work search shows only one person on this page has used the word cult, and it’s you. Nice try, troll. Back to your cave.
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VoteRightDammit
Jan. 25, 2013 at 3:24pmLocked:
1. Christians favor love and protection toward the weak and defenseless (i.e., children), not toward gay activists. YOU, MADAME, are NOT a Christian!
2. All who call you out are TROLLS in your eyes????? Ha! What a loon!
3. Sorry – you used the word “Sect”, not ‘cult’. I stand corrected (for whatever satisfaction that gives you!)
4. About “caves”: I’d wager my standard of living, education, breadth of knowledge, and spiritual/social position is as far from yours as is yours from a cave. So ….. glass houses and all. But, if caves is “your thing” ….. have at it.
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Locked
Jan. 25, 2013 at 3:32pm@Vote
“1. Christians favor love and protection toward the weak and defenseless (i.e., children), not toward gay activists. YOU, MADAME, are NOT a Christian!”
And not toward criminals. I favor the protection of this poor little girl who has been kidnapped and taken out of the country against all moral law, by a mother who hates her ex too much to allow visitation. YOU, MADAME, are NOT a Christian if you support this mother over the child!
“2. All who call you out are TROLLS in your eyes?????”
Someone with eyes. They’re nifty!
“3. Sorry – you used the word “Sect”, not ‘cult’. I stand corrected (for whatever satisfaction that gives you!)”
The truth is always satisfying. Christ hates lies.
“4. About “caves”: I’d wager my standard of living, education, breadth of knowledge, and spiritual/social position is as far from yours as is yours from a cave. So ….. glass houses and all. But, if caves is “your thing” ….. have at it.”
Aaaaaand, back to being a troll.
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nickg2003
Jan. 25, 2013 at 8:37amLet’s keep fighting the fight and teach our children what is evil and what is good. Soon they will become adults.
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vaman
Jan. 25, 2013 at 8:54amAgreed. Teaching children that kidnapping because of religious intolerance and bigotry is wrong should be a priority.
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Joshua81
Jan. 25, 2013 at 9:38am“He is acting on what Lisa Miller told him are the facts of the case,” Bercot said. “It’s all based on that, it’s not just, `oh, someone’s a homosexual we are going to take their child from them.’ That is not what we would believe.”
Pay attention VAMAN. You can try your left wing BS but when someone else has beliefs that don’t coincide with yours then they are evil and a bigot. Truth is you don’t know this man or the situation. Go crawl back in your hole have your little circle jerk with the rest of your lib friends and pat each other on your back for how tolerant you are, except of course towards the people that think differently than you.
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calyptratus
Jan. 25, 2013 at 1:53pmVaman go back to your smegma flavored Ben and Jerry’s
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13th Imam
Jan. 25, 2013 at 8:23amUse the Hillary’ defense
I don’t remember. I don’t remember. What difference does it make?
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SamIamTwo
Jan. 25, 2013 at 7:54amIt simply just gets messy when one has these sort of relationships…they seem to unravel faster than the heterosexuals.
I think we need a federal commission to study this and determine if the failure rate is proportional to that of the heterosexuals. Then we can get some new regulations, a new form to fill out and hire more people to help these people out.
You know they will do it someday. The slippery slope is always watched by the farm hands and they do try to interject themselves as they have in the past. They allowed this stuff and now they have to do some post mortem review, analysis and submit a corrective action plan…
I say we go for a class action lawsuit against the feds for fraud, waste and abuse. They allowed it, sponsored it and now we have to pay for messed up outcome…
It’s like a snow ball rolling down a step hill of snow…I can’t wait till it hits a wall, falls over a cliff or something.
Meanwhile it’s creating jobs…
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PingPongPing
Jan. 25, 2013 at 7:17ambasically, how is a lesbian woman granted full custody over the natural birth mother? This is clearly a case of bullying….
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Locked
Jan. 25, 2013 at 8:32am“how is a lesbian woman granted full custody over the natural birth mother?”
The same way a stepfather can win custody over the birth mother if the birth mother is guilty of breaking the law and denying court orders?
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Git-R-Done
Jan. 25, 2013 at 2:50pmhttp://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2010/mar/10030512
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Git-R-Done
Jan. 25, 2013 at 2:57pmLocked – Apparently the courts in Vermont didn’t care about Isabella having problems with Janet.
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Locked
Jan. 25, 2013 at 4:08pm@Git
“Apparently the courts in Vermont didn’t care about Isabella having problems with Janet.”
Apparently she didn’t think of results by actually contacting authorities with issues. Courts don’t tend to trust people who openly break the law and then complain that they’re the ones being victimized. Go figure ;-)
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BlessedONE333
Jan. 25, 2013 at 4:58amFINALLY – A REAL MAN REPORTED ABOUT ON THE BLAZE!!!!
Good for Pastor Miller – his reward will be great in paradise with our creator YHWH
1 Corinthians 15: 33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
TO TELL A CHILD that gay sex is okay is to teach evil to a child.
Proverbs 4: 14 Enter not into the path of the wicked, and go not in the way of evil men.
TO ALLOW A CHILD TO BE RAISED BY SEXUAL DEVIANTS IS PURE EVIL
Psalm 1:
1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
4 The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
all sexual sin is against God, if anyone is having sex outside a marriage of a man and a woman, than it is sin. NOT MY RULES … but GOD’s rules so deal with it pagans
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The-Monk
Jan. 25, 2013 at 5:13am@ “Islam is Love”
Have you gone nuts?
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woodyee
Jan. 25, 2013 at 8:02amHaving sex outside of Darwinian science (natural reproduction) is also a ‘sin’ against nature.
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OldSurfRat
Jan. 25, 2013 at 8:11amHey There Monk
I think the name alone answers your question
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vaman
Jan. 25, 2013 at 8:56amYour god thinks kidnapping and child abuse is acceptable? You better find a better imaginary friend.
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JustMeInAZ
Jan. 25, 2013 at 9:49amVAMAN, “child abuse” really? Where did you read that? There you progs go again lying, lying, lying to suit your cause. The child was not abused, she was taken from an emotionally and mentally detrimental situation. Her mother (her only mother) took her away to protect her. Yes, protect her from an evil lifestyle choice. Aside from it being sinful, have you ever read the stats on the homosexual community when it comes to depression, suicide, etc… Yeah, no child abuse, she was protecting her child.
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eric6161
Jan. 25, 2013 at 2:39amThis is why Christians should never opt out of jury duty.
I saw a freeway sign the other day announcing a kidnapped child. I wondered, to my wife, if that child might belong to a good Christian woman who lost custody to her child to her _______ husband… (you fill in the blank). I would never call the 911 to report anything until I knew for sure the child truly was in danger… and the government is doing everything they can to confuse the issue so that we don’t report these things.
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Xylliab_of_the_Znarghh
Jan. 25, 2013 at 5:02amThis isn’t why you should do jury duty. Custody cases are never decided by juries, always by a judge.
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Xylliab_of_the_Znarghh
Jan. 25, 2013 at 5:13amOh, unless you mean that you would have acquitted this clown of his role in the kidnapping of the child. In that case you should stay off of juries because you are incapable of adhering to your sacred and solemn oath to rule in accordance with the law.
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hi
Jan. 25, 2013 at 12:32pmI always think that too about not calling 911. I’d want to help her escape from the bastard!
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Wisdom7
Jan. 25, 2013 at 1:49amIf they want a homosexual union, they should leave kids out of it. The same goes for straight folks who just want a sexual union.
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fliptailhunter
Jan. 25, 2013 at 1:06amBring back stoning !
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700P
Jan. 25, 2013 at 1:01amSooooo…you’re free to do anything now except renounce homosexuality or own an AR15. Good to know.
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Elena2010
Jan. 25, 2013 at 12:31amPray for the Rev Miller who is being a faithful witness.
Not all things that are lawful are right. Not all things that are right are lawful.
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vaman
Jan. 25, 2013 at 8:59amYes, continue praying. It’s the act of doing nothing, but still feeling good about yourself.
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Git-R-Done
Jan. 25, 2013 at 2:48pmVaman – Prayer is more helpful and productive than your socialist ideology.
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JEANNIEMAC
Jan. 24, 2013 at 11:45pmThe biological mother decided that her homosexual relationship with another woman was sinful. She had every right to leave and take her child with her. The homosexual partner has no parental rights, and the judge who gave her custody was wrong.
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