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Did You Know About Hollywood Bombshell Megan Fox’s Surprising Faith Background? Tongues, End Times, and the Antichrist

Megan Fox Talks About the End Times, Revelation & Speaking in Tongues | Esquire Interview

Actress Megan Fox and actor Brian Austin Green arrive at the 70th Annual Golden Globe Awards on January 13, 2013. Credit: Getty Images for Smartwater

Actress Megan Fox, 26, graces the cover of February’s Esquire Magazine. And if you thought it was only a gossip-driven story, you’re wrong: The accompanying interview that will certainly pique the interest of both movie buffs and people of faith, alike.

In addition to describing the difficulties that come along with fame, Fox noted her belief in the Biblical account of the “end times,” while also claiming that she has been speaking in tongues since she was 8-years-old. These revelations might be surprising to some, especially considering that they come from an actress who is known, most prominently, for her sex appeal.

But Fox’s religious beliefs are clear and pointed throughout the interview, as some interesting moments from the exchange certainly stand out. Esquire’s Sante D’Orazio writes that Fox is “preparing for the end times” and that the actress was far more comfortable talking about the Antichrist than she was her own career.

“I’ve read the Book of Revelation a million times. It does not make sense, obviously,” she told D’Orazio. “It needs to be decoded. What is the dragon? What is the prostitute? What are these things? What is this imagery? What was John seeing? And I was just thinking, ‘What is the Antichrist?’”

As she discussed these elements, the writer described her as “relaxed.” Fox continued: ”When war breaks out in the Holy Land, like it is right now, if that is a sign of the immediate end times, then where are the other signs? Is it possible that it’s the Internet or fame itself or celebrity?”

The conversation, though, went much deeper than fears and questions about Revelation, as the actress admitted that she has been speaking in tongues since she was a child. That started when she was attending a Pentecostal church in Tennessee as a child. She described the energy she experiences when connecting with God in this manner as “intense” and she made a curious comparison — one that she admitted will raise some eyebrows.

Megan Fox Talks About the End Times, Revelation & Speaking in Tongues | Esquire Interview

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“They’re going to hate that I compare it to this, but have you ever watched footage of a Santeria gathering or someone doing voodoo? You know how palpable the energy is?,” she asked. “Whatever’s going on there, it’s for real.”

While she admitted that some may consider her a lunatic after reading her description of speaking in tongues, Fox described her feelings in detail. She said that the energy enters the top of her head and that she is “filled with this electric current.” Then, she starts speaking, but isn’t sure what’s coming out of her mouth, as she cannot control the words.

“The idea is that it’s a language that only God understands. It’s the language that’s spoken in heaven,” she said. “It’s called ‘getting the Holy Ghost.’”

Megan Fox Talks About the End Times, Revelation & Speaking in Tongues | Esquire Interview

Actress Megan Fox poses in the press room at the Golden Globes awards ceremony in Beverly Hills on January 13, 2013. Credit: AFP/Getty Images

Rather than relying upon alcohol and drugs — elements that Fox claims she dislikes, as she prefers to remain in control — she has looked to church to get her through. And rather than speaking about her experience generally and without personal connection, she told D’Orazio about some of the miracles she’s seen unfold first-hand inside of houses of worship.

“I have seen magical, crazy things happen. I’ve seen people be healed,” she said. “Even now, in the church I go to, during Praise and Worship I could feel that I was maybe getting ready to speak in tongues, and I’d have to shut it off because I don’t know what that church would do if I started screaming out in tongues in the back.”

Read the surprising and compelling interview, in full, over at Esquire.com.

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Comments (270)

  • grimjack3791
    Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:44pm

    This hoe is still around?

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    • 00100111
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 2:08pm

      No doubt her junk looks like a science experiment.

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    • truthnstuff
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 7:22pm

      Looks like she needed to jin up a little attention for herself. Christians should be embarrassed by this little tramp. They need to be shamed,and maybe they would stop looking for attention.

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  • zoro51
    Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:40pm

    again duffes this IS NOT NEWS.. OBAMAS IMPEACHMENT N REMOVAL: .. THATS NEWS.. this fodder is not

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  • woowoo8
    Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:39pm

    God works in mysterious ways; God is no respector of persons; meaning that each person and God knows their relationship with each other. The Bible also says the the body is fearfully and wonderfully made. In God’s eyes, we are all as beautiful as Megan Fox because we are made in His image.
    I pray for anyone that has been born into this world of (Twos) and is not filled with God’s Spirit
    (The Holy Spirit the evidence of Speaking in Tongues.) Without the revelations of the Holy Ghost it is highly unlikely that a person will reach the higher heights and the deeper depths of God’s World of One.
    “The Holy Ghost will lead you and guide you into all “Truths.”

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    • katzkiner
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:02pm

      Something like 1.2 trillion cells in the human body, each cell contains 80 feet of DNA. Wow just wow!

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  • carhouse
    Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:38pm

    well atleast we know who the antichrist is!!

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  • searching for the Truth
    Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:36pm

    The anti-Christ Megan are those after have been awoken to the Holy Spirit , have tasted the True Divine have denied His Deity. When you attend services, and you are compelled to speak in tongues ,then the Holy Spirit is grieving for you to come out from among the ” Worldly.” Danger exist, when that true ” Man of Sin,” is revealed, that it will deceive, through an unholy bond with satan , the very ” Elect,” if one is not prayerful and repentant.

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    • searching for the Truth
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:59pm

      You should have an unlimited line of suitors willing to join you in this persuasion. In addition, you should be able to convince any suitor to change to that Belief. The sand on one side of the World is the same sand on the other – there is never enough money to fill the pockets of ” avarice.” You will never aspire to any greater heights than what exist in your Lord and Saviour – and, your soul will always yearn for that which was your first love – God. For there is no Other ” Touchstone,” that has solace in this life, there is no import in this life, ” All is vanity,” – said the Apostle Paul.

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    • searching for the Truth
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 2:17pm

      Finally, don’t let satan deceive you by telling you , ” You have gone too far in sin.” We all sin, daily! That is why the Apostle Paul said that he had to die daily. We are given a special gift with our embrace of the Saviour – that Gift is that He, Alone is the Great High Priest , in Heaven continually making intersession for us. For only the Righteous will enter in Heaven , and we are , only made Righteous through Him. My only question would be : Are you ” Baptized? ” – Acts: 2: 38 , King James ?

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    • oneshiner
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 2:46pm

      one of my favorites: James 2:19 Thou believes there is one God does well…..The devils also believe and tremble.
      Luke 21:16 Watch and pray you might be worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass…..

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    • searching for the Truth
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 2:59pm

      Yes, that prayer , I have prayed often!

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    • searching for the Truth
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 3:00pm

      For family, especially !

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    • searching for the Truth
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 3:15pm

      The position she took in her past or takes in the present doesn’t matter, satan – it’s only that she endures to the end.

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    • INTHEBROTHERHOOD
      Posted on January 30, 2013 at 8:52am

      @s.f.t.t. What are you babbling……Brother, just stop. Don’t embaress yourself any further. Apostle Paul……..king soloman………..what’s the difference? I could go on, but nuff said.

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  • ZAP
    Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:30pm

    speaking in tongues is a way to bring attention to yourself.no other reason for it….

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    • Motorsports-X
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:38pm

      tongues does happen, it says so in the bible.

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    • Romans51
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 2:05pm

      “…I speak in tongues more than you all.” – The Apostle Paul 1 Cor 14:18

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    • Old Truckers
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 6:00pm

      Murder, fornication, lying, and theft also happens in the Bible.
      Just because a situation is mentioned does not endorse it as coming from God.

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    • JGraham III
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:07pm

      My graduating year at bible college at one of the last Sunday services held that year, there was someone who spoke in tongues and then gave the interpretation. Not impressive perhaps except for the fact that there was also a woman from Cameroon in attendance who recognized her own tribal dialect as the tongue spoken. She reported that the “interpretation” given was essentially a word for word translation of her dialect. The speaker had no knowledge of her language. I have heard of other similar incidents of this phenomenon occurring. It is far more frequent for those so ‘gifted’ with tongues to simply use it as a very powerful, very effective prayer language, done in private, with no interpretation. To say that there is no use for tongues today is to admit one’s ignorance of the scriptures and the many reasons/benefits for speaking in tongues. I do not care what someone might say about my own speaking in tongues; many in my church do not speak in tongues and have no desire to learn more about it. I do puzzle over the supposed logic of someone’s rejection of the opportunity to speak divine mysteries or the wonderful works of God ..Acts2 and elsewhere…or to pray perfectly.. I Corinthians 14, etc. etc. The naysayers and the unbelievers will mock or scoff, but then again “the natural man receives not the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness unto him. Neither can he know them for they are spiritually discerned”. Not my words but the Bible.

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  • housetops
    Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:30pm

    The real question should be which spirit is at work here. There is something real alright.

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  • marssnw
    Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:29pm

    Not really sure what to make of this story. I think sometimes people put to much emphasis on the gifts of God. The most important thing it your walk and faith in God. Not spriritual gifts. I also believe if your walk isn’t right, then speaking in tongues is nothing more than rambling in God’s eyes. You have to walk the walk, not just talk the talk.
    Matthew 7:15-23
    15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

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  • The-Monk
    Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:29pm

    FYI…. Supah_Patriot is none other than EtchySketchy/Pork_Anvil/Top contributor…..

    Howdy Etchy/Pork/Top Contributor : )

    Checking out at 5pm today?

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  • Beachmastermax
    Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:28pm

    Megan compares Tongues to Voodoo or something. She probably has that closer than she thinks.

    Tongues was a gift that was “cut off” after pentacost:

    1 Corinthians 13:8 NAS
    Love never fails ; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away ; if there are tongues, they will cease ; if there is knowledge, it will be done away.

    Tongues went the way of Phrophecy after the cannon of scripture was completed by John on Patmos.

    Also, Tongues was spoken but it was also understood…..in a known language, as was necessary for spreading the Gospel around the world at the time since there was no written word.

    Acts 2:6 And when this sound occurred, the crowd came together, and were bewildered because each one of them was hearing them speak in his own language. 7 They were amazed and astonished, saying, “Why, are not all these who are speaking Galileans ?

    So if Megan spoke in Tongues, she would be understood by different nationalities in one room at the same time. Doubt that happenned. So Megan, be careful!

    Other than that, I am enjoying watching the prophecy in Revelation play out daily.
    I remember, not long ago, the idea that all humans could be tracked and their economic actions monitored to be considered “impossible” and “foolishness”.. Also the idea of “Globalism” and America giving up it’s soveriegnty, preposterous!! What do you think now?

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    • by faith
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 2:01pm

      1 Corinthians 13:8 NAS
      Love never fails ; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away ; if there are tongues, they will cease ; if there is knowledge, it will be done away.
      Tongues went the way of Phrophecy after the cannon of scripture was completed by John on Patmos.

      Prophecy went away,
      Tongues went away,
      so therefore Knowledge went away?

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    • Beachmastermax
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 2:11pm

      “Knowledge” as referenced here, is the God Breathed knowledge required to write the cannon of scripture. This went away of it’s own design after John of Patmos wrote Revelation.

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    • bonesiii
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 2:41pm

      “Prophecy went away,
      Tongues went away,
      so therefore Knowledge went away?”
      No, the purpose of both of these miracles was to point to the truth of God’s Word so that people could trust it for all time. :) As well as other miracles in many cases. Speaking in tongues (which was basically a universal translator power like Star Trek) was specifically designed to speed up spreading the gospel. Once it got going it didn’t need such miraculous help anymore.

      Also, for the record, she has grossly misunderstood the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. It is not some temporary thing you switch on and off to speak gobbledegook or anything else so trivial! Rather, it’s a lifelong thing, kinda being in tune with God because accepting Jesus’ salvation makes God able to stand it (because our sin is paid for and we are choosing to love). The Holy Spirit can guide us towards love, peace, joy, self-control, etc. in every moment, making us desire sin less and less, etc. It should be a constant thing, and the resulting person shouldn’t look like a maniac but a pleasant and responsible normal person.

      I can’t be sure that those who fall for this ‘speaking in tongues’ thing are in any serious trouble (I’ve known many; used to go to a Christian school run by a denomination that apparently did so, though I never saw it done). But my fear is that by putting forward this false ritual, it’s making them miss the important truth of the Spirit.

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    • KeithParfitt
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 2:45pm

      Well stated. These are my recollections as well on the alleged modern miracle of tongues.

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    • TH30PH1LUS
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 3:08pm

      @ Bones: you said “) As well as other miracles in many cases. Speaking in tongues …was specifically designed to speed up spreading the gospel. Once it got going it didn’t need such miraculous help anymore.”

      1. If more than 2 billion people have still never heard the gospel, how does your statement make sense? By your own definition, tongues and miracles are still desperately needed.

      2. The purpose of tongues is discussed at length in the NT. It serves more than one purpose.

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    • focalpoint
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 4:06pm

      “You do ere, not knowing the Scripture…”
      So many viewpoints and opinions here, clearly based upon individual’s own perception. This is not advised when interpreting the Bible. It has been said that Tongues were used only to advance spreading the Gospel by allowing understanding among people of different cultures. Out of several mentions in the Bible of Speaking in Tongues, only once was this specifically stated, in Acts chapter 2. The Apostle Paul said, “I thank my God I speak in tongues more than you all,” then he said, “When I speak in tongues, I speak unto God, for no man understands me.” Kinda voids the idea that tongues are only for use as a “Star Trek form of universal translator.”

      Yes, tongues have been misused since Biblical times, hence it was necessary for Paul to issue some practical guidelines, in the epistles to the Corinthians. But Paul was careful to say that tongues would cease along with prophesy, knowledge, etc., when “that which is perfect is come.” Since we are not all perfect yet, tongues still have their purpose.

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    • Beachmastermax
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 4:25pm

      The Greek word for “The perfect” is given in the neuter. Since JC is always in the masculin, it is not refering to him. It is refering to the finished cannon of scripture…The perfect Word of God.

      Paul was martyred 67 AD, “The perfect” was completed sometime in 90′s AD. Paul also had the gift of Miracles. That is gone.

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    • by faith
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 5:12pm

      Book of Revelation. Most modern scholars believe it was written around 95 AD, with some believing it dates from around 70 AD. Yet the first approved list of New Testament books was not approved by the Catholic Church until 367AD. You stated these 3 “gift” went away after the cannon of scripture was completed by John on Patmos. But it was nearly 300 years later that Scripture was “finalized”

      Charles Parham, the founder of the Pentecostal movement. In 1900 Parham started a Bible school at Bethel; he instructed his students to examine the Bible, particularly Acts 2, to learn the biblical sign of Spirit baptism. On January 1, 1901, one of Parham’s students, Agnes Ozman, spoke in tongues. With a few days, half the school had similar experiences.

      Assemblies of God, the largest Pentecostal church, in the United States and one of the fastest growing religious groups in the world. The denomination has some 16 million members worldwide. members of the Assemblies of God stress the charismatic gifts mentioned by Paul in 1 Corinthians 12:4-11 (gifts of prophecy, speaking in tongues, miraculous healing). Pentecostals believe these spiritual gifts should be in full operation in the life of the Church.

      No wonder there are more tha 40,000 different Christian denomiations.
      All read the same book, yet everyone has there own interpritation

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    • TH30PH1LUS
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 5:25pm

      @ BeachMaster: you write: “Paul also had the gift of Miracles. That is gone”

      Attention humanity: BeachMaster has come to inform us all on behalf of Almighty God, that He will no longer be performing any miracles. Therefore it is best for you all to stop:
      A. Praying. Hearing & answering prayers is considered a miracle. Please stop.
      B. Asking Jesus to forgive your sins. Also in the realm of miracles. Please cease and desist.
      C. Asking for healing, comfort, and well, anything really. God sort of exists in the realm of miracles, and apparently that has all ended.

      Thanks BeachMaster for setting the world straight on what it can no longer expect from God these days.

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 6:22pm

      The Lord says … that you do not have cause you do not ask … what is not is not because it is not, but because faith is required … Oh ye of little faith … if only you had the faith of a mustard seed .

      Revelation, speaking in toungues and so forth will end when the spreading of the gospel is no LONGER required … like when Jesus returns …

      I would be concerned concerning her “faith” … women are told to be modest … didn’t see that

      If she has read Revelation a “million” times, why the complete lack of understanding?

      She speaks of digging up aliens races …. can somebogy give me some bible verses for the spaceship people, please?

      People possesed by demonic spirits also speak in tongues … we are called to test the spirits

      My test says … be careful … also the F word was offered up pretty easily … should watch that tongue … yo
      Hope she is a true believer but I don’t know if I beliveher …

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    • bonesiii
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 7:55pm

      “If more than 2 billion people have still never heard the gospel”
      Well, this is obviously the next expected question in such a discussion. :) And there’s a lot to a full answer, too much for now, but basically, the reliable historical record of the Bible itself establishes that these miracles took place (especially prophecy), which can continue to be impressive to everyone who hears of it. The miracles established the Bible’s credibility for all future generations. :)

      The question ultimately boils down to why God doesn’t just give miracles to everybody so none would remain lost. That’s a much trickier one to answer, but from my own research, I’m forced to conclude both that God really did perfectly inspire the Bible, and that he doesn’t give miracles to everybody, so there must be an answer. I haven’t necessarily found it yet, though I have some lines of research to follow from here on about it. It gets into the pre-Christ kind of “looking forward” salvation of Hebrews 11. I’ve talked about it in more detail in past posts on the Blaze.

      And it’s worth pointing out that he very well MAY give miracles to many. I myself experienced several dreams that showed me complex & unique future events that I later actually experienced, which I would have to admit is a miracle (though always trivial things so far). And I’ve heard others say such things, it’s just impossible to know if any but mine are truthful. *shrugs*

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    • bonesiii
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:09pm

      “By your own definition, tongues and miracles are still desperately needed.

      …It serves more than one purpose.”
      Not by my definition, no. The point is that anybody can just go out and preach a message (like Mohammad for example, who always refused to give a sign that he was really God’s messenger; he demanded blind faith — or die/suffer). The miracles showed that this was really from God. And they did so in such a way that is not reasonably disputable historically, so they continue to serve their purpose for anyone honest and curious enough to really look into it, like me and many others still today. :)

      And I’m sure it can serve more than one purpose, but none of those purposes is to cut off understanding. The most important purpose it served was simply translation. In a non-miraculous sense many people do continue to do that — and this is another part of why the miracle didn’t need to be continued. The message had to be sped up to get established. Later, once it had a strong root, people could take the time to find non-miraculous translators in the normal sense to continue to do the same thing. And they could continue to point back in reliably proven history to this and other miracles, so that value never went away. ^_^

      Again, well-meaning and apparently genuine believers disagree on this, and I respect that, but their position is based on a recent extrabiblical preaching, which is adding to the Bible.

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    • bonesiii
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:20pm

      “…only once was this specifically stated, in Acts chapter 2. The Apostle Paul said, ‘…When I speak in tongues, I speak unto God, for no man understands me.” Kinda voids the idea that tongues are only for use as a… universal translator.”
      This brings up a basic question of how many times the all-knowing God who never lies has to say something in order for it to be true — the answer is once. Scholars do use caution with single examples in that there can be confusion as to what was meant, but the answer for this is that the most in-depth context is the most authoritative. A passing mention cannot void the meaning of the clearest and most detailed passage.

      In this case, Paul clearly states that in those instances, he is talking to God, not to people, which is why others do not understand him when he does this. In Acts, Peter and others were speaking to people, therefore the translator effect worked.

      Part of what Fox said does seem to be the case with what Paul said here — he may be speaking a “language of heaven”, perhaps what I call Original (the pre-Babel language), without needing to learn it, by the same universal translator effect but with only God as the recipient. He may also simply mean that he is speaking his native tongue to God in a region where it isn’t spoken, which is quite possible since he was a Jew who was preaching primarily to Gentiles. :)

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    • bonesiii
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:30pm

      “But it was nearly 300 years later that Scripture was “finalized””
      Common myth. Nobody ever met to decide what would be in the Bible as people often claim. Rather, there was a group who at one point decided to make a formal statement recognizing that the books that believers already knew were Scripture were that. The gift most likely went away around the time of Revelation being sent out. At that time, there was no common book technology; Scripture was kept in scrolls and the like for the most part, so it was not efficient to put it all in one physical object, but believers knew for sure which scrolls were Scripture and which weren’t, immediately. (Partly due to miracles accompanying those that were.) That knowledge was retained all that time.

      So what happened later was that as book technology improved, they put copies of all that information in one physical book (and copies).

      By the way, these are all just copies and translations of the Bible, not the Bible itself. God’s Word is the original scriptures written down by the people God inspired, at the time they wrote it. This is why reliable translations always go back to the earliest manuscripts to be more certain that copying errors haven’t been passed on; they don’t go back to something compiled many years later or anything; that was not “the Bible” but a Bible copy; the first complete book form basically.

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    • bonesiii
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:50pm

      “With a few days, half the school had similar experiences.”
      Problem is that this is being defined in a way that in practical reality appears to clearly be just babbling randomly, and may be nothing but a placebo effect. If we were to hear Paul speaking in tongues, would we hear total nonsense, or if we recorded it and studied it could we eventually identify grammatical structure to at least confirm it’s a real language? I suspect it’s the latter.

      How is it any different from pagan rituals that operate on the same placebo principle?

      I can’t prove that actual babbling randomly actually hurts you, though, so we can agree to disagree on it. :P Who know, for some personalities it may actually be healthy. Personally, it’s very unattractive, and honestly I kinda resent the idea that I “should” be babbling out loud!

      “Prayer… is considered a miracle. Please stop.”
      Why are you using a mocking tone? If he is wrong, then gently correct. :)

      And you can use the term “miracle” for many things (I kinda dislike it — long story — though it’s convenient usually), but what Pentacostals/Fox, etc. mean is a “direct intervention” type of miracle, not a “normal operation” system (which by the normal definition is not a miracle). The thoughts of the lost are also heard just as much as the prayers of the saved, for example, but Pentacostals teach that only the saved can speak in tongues, so it would be something unusual.

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    • bonesiii
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:57pm

      In any case, the special Apostle’s miracles, which they could pass on by touch to others, are what faded away. This included a variety of things besides speaking in tongues, so that logic is being applied inconsistently when it’s taught that speaking in tongues alone is the miracle you are supposed to be doing now if saved, etc. Basically these were obvious things that could not have been possible had God not been intervening to enable them, beyond normal operation of the creation.

      With speaking in tongues, if you were in that crowd described in Acts 2, you would immediately realize this was a miracle. If you hear someone babbling randomly and you can’t understand it, you would have no way of knowing it was a miracle if it was.

      Even if you overheard Paul speaking in a “language of Heaven” to God (perhaps discussing finer points of theology to be written in his letters, similar to John’s description of conversations with Jesus and angels when receiving the visions of Revelation, in which case it would make sense to speak their language via translation), you wouldn’t know if it was a miracle or not; that was not the purpose of those cases. Paul would not stand up in front of a church and babble nonsense like Pentacostals do as if that proved anything! If he were to use that gift in preaching, they would all understand him as in Acts 2. It may be that he never needed this, being multilingual already.

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    • memyselfandi
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:08pm

      Beachmastermax….

      People assume that the “that which is perfect” is either the Lord Jesus at His coming, or it is the written word of God in the form of a completed Bible. I say it’s neither one of them. When the Lord Jesus comes for His Church, “this earthly shall put on heavenly, corruptible shall put on incorruption, mortal must put on immortality”.

      At the moment of the Rapture, the Lord Jesus will appear and OUR MORTAL BODIES WILL BE CHANGED, (made perfect) and we will all come into the fullness of the stature of Jesus Christ Himself. Until then…we see through glass darkly and we need all of the benefits that the gifts of the Spirit have to offer us believers. After He changes us the gifts will no longer be necessary.

      I agree that the gifts have been abused, counterfeited, faked, and confused with over the top emotionalism…but the opposite end of the swinging of this pendulum is outright denial and neglect.

      I understand there were “sign gifts” given to Israel to validate the gospel message and the manifestation of God’s power is no longer at the command of God’s apostles like they were in Acts, but Paul said in Ephesians…a later Epistle…”Now unto Him that is able to do exceeding abundantly ABOVE all that we ASK or THINK, according to the power that worketh -IN US-”. I believe what Paul is saying here is…don’t try to put God in a box…He won’t stay there.

      I have seen God’s power in action in my own life, that’s why I believe the w

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    • TH30PH1LUS
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 1:02pm

      Apparently some Christians believe in

      1. Men of Miracles. In this paradgm, God’s plan for miracles is that they only happened through the Apostles. The second after the last Apostle died, God’s plan for you was just to suck it up, because miracles were no longer available. Problem – miracles were not only relegated to Apostles. Acts 6:8 Problem – miracles are to be sought after and expected from church elders James 5:14-15 Problem – Jesus himself said that miracles would accompany average-joe “believers” Mark 16:17-18

      2. Age of Miracles. In this paradigm, God has a secret “miacle clock” – and when the bell went off (no one knows for sure when it did), miracles were no longer available.

      3. Book of Miracles. In this paradigm, God’s “miracle clock” is attached to the formation of the Bible. Once the last sentence was written, the bell went off, and miracles were no longer available. You can read the Bible, teach the Bible, study the Bible, BUT DON’T YOU DARE suggest that you can actually experience the things that the Bible describes.

      I believe in the God of Miracles, who said: “I, the Lord, do not change” (Malachi 3:6) “Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.” (James 1:17) “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.” (Hebrews 13:8)

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    • TH30PH1LUS
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 1:20pm

      “If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!” (Luke 11:13)

      (Apparently what Jesus forgot to say, was that there was an expiration date on these sorts of miracles, so get while the gettin’s good!)

      Do you need healing any less than sick people around during Jesus’ time? Do Christians today need the Holy Spirit any less than they needed Him 2,000 years ago? Has human nature somehow changed because the Bible exists? Are Christians still being persecuted? Are there people who have still never heard the gospel? Are there sick people who need healing?

      But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment: about sin, because people do not believe in me; about righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; and about judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned.

      “I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.”

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    • Vigilent American Citizen
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 2:30pm

      I speak in tongues and worship the Lord by “praying in the spirit” every day. It is hermeneutical failure to say that prophecy and tongues has passed away. I have been instrumental in helping many people to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues. It is TRUTHFULLY amazing to see what happens. No one can fake it! No one can stop it.

      Jesus said the Father was more willing to give the Holy Spirit that we are to ask for it. Simply ask to be filled with the Holy Spirit and you will be. The first time I spoke with tongues and worshiped the Lord was not in church it was at work in a fiberglass factory.

      For those reading this who are truly wondering about the power and strength of the Holy Spirit living on the inside of you remember:

      HE(God) is the rewarder of them that diligently seek HIM.

      If you seek HIM for the infilling of the Holy Spirit you will receive it. God has never failed once when I or any one else has led someone in a prayer to be filled with HIS spirit. Never once! The difference of opinion always comes down to does the person have the desire for HIM the Holy Spirit!

      Pray this prayer with me. Father God I know I need your power in my daily life. I believe and receive Jesus as my Lord and Savior. Forgive me of my sins and wash me with the blood Jesus. Fill me with the Holy Spirit of God with the evidence of speaking in other tongues. I receive it now in Jesus name Amen!
      Sheco habinah streh flowsabeillaghna sheabl

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    • bonesiii
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 4:14pm

      “God’s plan for miracles is that they only happened through the Apostles.”
      No, God’s plan for miracles is that they happen through whomever (and wherever, if not through anyone but himself) he chooses, and no more. Miracles are God’s action and they do NOT occur unless it is his will. :) You cannot summon a miracle because you want one, if God knows that one is not the best course of action in that situation. :)

      However, the Bible itself (which is God’s Word) teaches that Jesus did give a special miraculous power to his Apostles, as I described. This is not some invented idea added to the Bible later as with Pentacostal tongues — it is simply what the Bible says. :) Do I believe it, then? Yes.

      You’re treating this as an either/or situation (exclusive or), which is fallacious. God also gave miracles to various prophets and others throughout biblical history, and I know for a fact myself (though I cannot prove to others), as I said, that he still works miracles today. But these are not part of a system any more but are by his will and by the prayers of believers. Therefore it is also wrong to say (biblically anyways) that miracles should be a part of all Christians’ worship experience (beyond normal operational physics).

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    • bonesiii
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 4:15pm

      “God has a secret “miacle clock” – and when the bell went off (no one knows for sure when it did), miracles were no longer available.”
      Why do you insist on using straw men and mocking tone? This is not helping your case because you are acting like the anti-Christian mockers do. Have you read 1 John? I strongly suggest you do. :) You’ll know what I’m talking about if you do.

      Anyways, it’s not a secret. There were, to use your term, apparently about three “miracle clocks” in the Bible and their purposes are clear. First was prior to the Fall, in God’s supernatural protection against harm, which wasn’t really time based but ended when we sinned. Second, the time of the prophets, which the Bible also says would come to an end and did. Second, a similar time for Jesus and to a lesser extent the Apostles, then again a lesser for those the Apostles touched. Both of those have the same purpose of demonstrating that God was using them to write his Word, and of course that Jesus is the Messiah.

      And it doesn’t matter exactly when it faded away; most likely it was within one or two generations after the last Apostle died, or at about the same time for most people. The point is, we are 2000 years later, and nobody alive today was touched by the Apostles! Argument from ignorance is a fallacy; just because we don’t know exactly when it was doesn’t mean it never happened.

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    • bonesiii
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 4:26pm

      “Are there sick people who need healing?”
      God heals by miracles by his will alone. Yes, he will listen to prayers; the more, and more faithful, the better. But it is wrong to act like miraculous healing is guaranteed. Only if it is his will; that’s the whole point. :) Sometimes the answer to his prayers is no, no matter how faithful and numerous the prayers, because in his perfect knowledge that is not the time or place for a miracle. I hope you are not one of those who promise faith-healing to those of weak faith and risk driving them away from the faith.

      But to the Apostles and Prophets he gave a special right of miracles that was systemized for a time, apparently unique in history. He is God — if he wanted to do that (and he did, according to the Bible :)), then who are you to tell him he cannot?

      The problem is that tongues-Pentacostals are appealing to the Apostolic miracles and confusing that with normal miracles, claiming that it is a predictable system and often saying that if you don’t do it you’re not saved, or other say that you are saved but are not being a good Christian. But this idea is not biblical.

      BTW, mainly I was disagreeing with her that it’s only during a miraculous tongues event that you “get the Holy Ghost”. You’ve been vehemently disagreeing with me for some reason, but you haven’t clearly said if you’re trying to defend that statement — I’d like to know. :)

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    • bonesiii
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 4:49pm

      “It is hermeneutical failure to say that prophecy and tongues has passed away.”
      Again, we are talking about the recent manmade (Pentacostal) idea, which is not stated in the Bible, of a current and systematic miracle, which is in reality (apparently :P) just babbling randomly. This is not the same as biblical tongues, in which the speaker always knew what they meant, and the recipient always understood. The Pentacostals teach that tongues is random babble given by God to you, that you the recipients do not understand, and neither does anyone.

      I obviously don’t believe that God does not give prophetic miracles to people nowadays since as I said, I myself have experienced several! That’s a straw man argument.

      “…ask to be filled with the Holy Spirit and you will be. The first time I spoke with tongues…”
      That is -not- what he meant about giving the Holy Spirit. He is given to all who accept Jesus, and dwells in us constantly, not only when we flip a “tongues” switch! That would mean that at other times we are without Him; even as you speak to me now, you’re saying you’re not being guided by him, so how can I trust you? But I am listening to what I believe to be his guidance about everything I say here.

      Please read Galatians & more. That is a major error. I can agree to disagree with the idea that people systematically get a tongues miracle nowadays but NOT with this and it’s clearly antibiblical.

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    • bonesiii
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 4:59pm

      “No one can fake it!”
      But what about it (assuming we’re still teaching about the Pentacostal modern extrabiblical teaching) is not fakeable? What I was told of from the Pentacostals I knew was easily faked. Outwardly it has the exact same appearance of a placebo-effect emotional event accompanied by random babbling. The only proof I ever heard from them was how it made them feel, but the same can be argued of any other placebo-emotional event. This is why I greatly distrust it, even in the more benign cases where they teach that it is not “getting the Ghost” or anything required but purely an extra.

      How is it different for example from the emotional frenzies that pagans will whip themselves into? Our bodies’ biological designs enable such experiences without proving anything miraculous happened. And there is much in the Bible about avoiding emotionalism. This teaching seems to be being used to work around much of what the Bible teaches and cautions, in order to incorporate a pagan practice into it. How is it any different from countless other cases, in the Bible and later, of believers mixing biblical belief with manmade ideas?

      For example, idolatry? Isn’t this the same thing; it’s a manmade idea not found in the Bible but in which intense emotions are invested. That to me is highly dangerous. What if the gibberish is an idol? Have you honestly and seriously considered this?

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    • TH30PH1LUS
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 6:12pm

      @ BONES: you seem to be making contradictory arguments. On one hand you say that, yes, miracles died off. On the other hand you say: “I know for a fact myself (though I cannot prove to others), as I said, that he still works miracles today. But these are not part of a system any more but are by his will and by the prayers of believers.”

      Which is it? Or is it that you believe there was some sort of “system” in place which no longer exists today? So the miracles worked by the Apostles, and by the early church membership like Stephen, and by the elders were NOT by prayer and by God’s will? But by some “system”?

      Pentecostal Theology (as I understand it) is not “extrabiblical”. It merely accepts what is written as available to present-day Christians. No expiration date. Of course, always subject to God’s will and His timing. However, we know (in general) that it is God’s will that people recieve salvation, healing, restoration, comfort, peace… and in general all the good things that come to us through the richness of His grace & love demonstrated to mankind through His son Jesus.

      Never did I say that humans command miracles. Nor did I say that Christians who do not pray in tongues are somehow not really saved.

      The experience of being baptized in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of tongues is not “extrabibilcal”. And it cannot be taught or coached from another human. It is given directly through the Spirit. It is indeed Biblical, and it still happens

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    • bonesiii
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 6:18pm

      BTW, TH30PH1LUS, there are even clearer examples of some of the more unusual special times of miracles — how about Samson for example? What about Elijah and Elisha? Not to mention Jesus’ own miracles. If you must appeal to an anti-biblical idea (as well as antibiblical behavior…) to support an extrabiblical one, that isn’t exactly helping the case, you know?

      Also, you’re arguing special times of systemized miracles with beginnings and ends, to try to support just that. Tongues is never mentioned prior to the NT, and whether you think it already ended or will end when this world does, it has an end! (At least, I hope you’re not saying people will go around babbling in heaven!) So your argument is self-refuting — unless you disagree and instead say that speaking in tongues was in the Bible all along and will never end… Which to say the least would be going way out on a limb.

      Final point, re: “getting the Ghost” — the Bible says that the Spirit’s transforming of our hearts is the proof that we are saved, and not to grieve the Spirit or he will leave you — and if he does leave, you’re not saved. So, Vigilant, when you flip off the tongues switch, do you stop being saved? Or not at all since you apparently miss the real teaching on the Spirit, re: Galatians? If you die while not babbling, do you go to hell? Must we babble constantly to be sure?

      All attempts to support this logically end up in absurdity…

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    • bonesiii
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 6:47pm

      You know, Vigilant, since you claimed it can’t be faked, then gave us a brief example of what you’re saying can’t be faked, let’s actually have a look at it critically!

      “Sheco habinah streh flowsabeillaghna sheabl”
      Now I dunno about everybody else, but I can’t help but notice that the fourth word there looks an awful lot like “flows a balogna”. Could your subconscious be trying to subtly speak out and warn you and others that what you’re doing is just a flow of balogna? Not the meat, you understand. ;) I’m not trying to be argumentative; I’m serious. This makes sense, and your example has only further convinced me that it CAN be faked, and you’re likely faking it.

      The third word is also the inverse of an alternate spelling of “hurts”.

      But what if I could discern no apparent psychological patterns? That would not logically prove that it is a language of heaven or any such thing and that it is not also your subconscious generating sounds, but in too complex a pattern for the linearly limited conscious to grasp. Nothing about this is unfakeable.

      Nor, of course, can I prove that your subconscious really meant the meaning of “Oh, great, now he wants me to flow the nonsense again… sigh…”, but something for you to seriously and honestly consider. :) Same for the apparently pure nonsense. How can you be sure it’s not just emotionalism akin to similar pagan ‘experiences’?

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    • bonesiii
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 7:10pm

      “@ BONES: you seem to be making contradictory arguments.”
      Ironic, since I just said (in the post that went through just below yours) that you seem to be making contradictory arguments. :P I’m a logician, I don’t do that; I only use consistent and sound arguments (though my conclusion in this case is “not conclusive” — but what I’m asking for is sound support from the tonguesists, rather than the grasping at straws I’ve always seen so far).

      “On one hand you say that, yes, miracles died off.”
      No, you said that in your straw man. But to be fair, you probably honestly misunderstood. That’s okay, it happens. :) Just try to calm down and listen fairly to avoid this kind of mistake in the future, okay? ^_^

      “So the miracles worked by the Apostles… were NOT by prayer and by God’s will? But by some “system”?”
      So you’re saying you do disagree with the main Pentacostal teaching of a systematic miracle that Christians should all experience? That would be a bit more consistent for you, but it would contradict the others’ claims… And read my other posts more carefully re: middle of this quote.

      I see no reason to rule out that at times God may give an “extra” miracle of speaking in tongues to believers, just as he gave me some “extra” visions of the future. But this is not what Pentacostals teach, and not what Fox described with the “getting the Ghost” thing.

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    • TH30PH1LUS
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 7:12pm

      @ BONES: “…unusual special times of miracles …”

      I stand by my statement that there is no such thing as a “time of miracles” only a God of miracles.

      “If you must appeal to an anti-biblical idea (as well as antibiblical behavior…) to support an extrabiblical one…”

      I’m sorry, exactly what was my anti-biblical idea?

      Since when is sarcasm “anti-biblical behavior”? Get a grip. Elijah used mockery. The Apostle Paul wrote: “I wish that those who are upsetting you would castrate themselves!” King David prayed “Strike all my enemies on the jaw; break the teeth of the wicked.”

      This is the internet. Please don’t pretend like you can read minds.

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    • bonesiii
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 7:12pm

      “It merely accepts what is written as available to present-day Christians. No expiration date.”
      No, it teaches what is in many ways the opposite of what is actually written. As several posts in this very conversation have demonstrated; for example, arguing against the most detailed and clearest definition of it in Acts.

      They argue against what is written most clearly, opening up the door for confusion as to the later passing mentions (which hermeneutically -should- be understood as referring back to the original detailed account!), then ‘theorizing’ their own philosophy to insert as the meaning of those passing mentions instead. And often worse, taking that theory as fact and sometimes even a necessity for salvation. (I understand you don’t go that far, but the whole process is not one of proper interpretation, from the very start.)

      “Pentecostal Theology (as I understand it)… Never did I say that humans command miracles.”
      It now appears to me that you’re saying you are not one of the Pentacostals and do not actually know well what they teach. I went to a school run by them and heard it right from them. ;) Just look around at some of the other posts from them here, like Vigilant’s, where he actually quotes a ritual saying that he thinks acts much like a magical incantation, commanding the miracle at will.

      So as usual in debate, you’re probably agreeing with me more than you thought you were. :P

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    • bonesiii
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 7:27pm

      “I stand by my statement that there is no such thing as a “time of miracles” only a God of miracles.”
      But the Bible teaches that God has at times chosen to give certain individuals guarantees of certain miracles. Samson is one of the clearest examples. God even tied it to an outward sign; the length of his hair! The purpose for this one was as one of the judges, to defend Israel against its attackers. The God of miracles has the power and the right to give “times of miracles” if that is his will, and he told us that it was his will at times, so who are we to doubt that? And again, you’re trying to argue against what you’re arguing for, since the Pentacostal teaching is also a time and system (but one that God’s Word does not state).

      “Since when is sarcasm “anti-biblical behavior”?”
      I leave it to you to study God’s Word further and understand what I’m talking about. Please start with 1 John. There are other cases. And all I’m saying is that being antagonistic is not a good way to convince someone. (Notice that the instances of it in the Bible that are condoned are to people whose minds are clearly closed, such as Elijah, Jesus to the Pharisees, etc. — and never to other genuine believers.) In any case, it’s forgiven, just advice that can help you if you choose. ^_^

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    • bonesiii
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 7:38pm

      “Please don’t pretend like you can read minds.”
      Are you aware of what Jesus said about how we can know other believers? Or 1 John?

      Also, there is something similar to body language that is actually very easy to read, at least for me, when you get the hang of it. :) Wording, and about what you ignore and what straw men you use, etc. I’ve had ten years of deep experience reading it and often experimenting with it, so I’m pretty confident I can read people. I’ve read you pretty accurately so far in what I’ve predicted you would say next and pre-planned my next responses, etc. You’re far more transparent than you think; we all are. In some ways reading via internet posts is even more reliable because there’s less distractions like physical appearance; it’s a more direct line to your mind alone. :)

      But anyways, even if you still doubt all that, how can it hurt you to grow in your understanding of God’s Word and seriously, honestly question yourself whether you have been making some mistakes? :) I believe this is always good. It might hurt pride, but pride is sinful anyways (if you doubt that, you have a -lot- of reading to do!). If at the end of that brutally honest self-analysis you truly feel you were in the right, no problem. If in the wrong, then that’s good too because you get to improve! ^_^

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    • bonesiii
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 7:44pm

      Finally, your standing by what you said isn’t really what I’m asking for. I’m asking for you to provide sound logical support for the teaching.

      Though again, it seems you do not actually understand their teaching or personally follow it, so how can you be expected to accurately defend it? It does seem like there’s little point in you continuing to debate this if you aren’t familiar with it. Maybe your arguments are not what they would use?

      Mainly I’m asking those who do follow it like Vigilant to provide sound support. So far none has been given…

      However, if you’re arguing for something distinct from their teaching which you think is biblical, I’d also like to hear a clear definition of exactly what you’re saying… and what you are not. :) You’ve been very vague so far.

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  • GhostOfJefferson
    Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:20pm

    You know when some go on about “spiritual energy” and it being channeled and building up and acting like current? That, for me, is a fair sign that the person is more or less a bit…touched. Good for her for being a Christian, but Christianity never seemed to me to be about what is more or less becoming a resort to mysticism and experiences that seem to have origins in the occult or pagan areas of history.

    Dunno, it just strikes me as one of those types of “chakra” type of things.

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  • Supah_Patriot
    Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:18pm

    Whoa, how did you go from speaking in tongues to suicide bomber? You have problems. I hope you have enough sense left to seek help.

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  • jackact
    Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:16pm

    To quote Hillary, “What difference does it make”?
    Hollywood……….yawn………

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  • FANGS
    Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:15pm

    Many Catholics are now turning to the Pentecostal Religion Because like Fox say’s, God is present there. The Holy Spirit has blessed Fox with the Gift of Tounges. Tounges is a direct communication with mortals and God. What a wonderful story.

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    • Catholic_Conservative
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:23pm

      So is God not present in the Catholic Church?

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    • TheCalmOne
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:27pm

      Tounges? What is tounges?

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    • joboww
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 3:30pm

      “Many Catholics are now turning to the Pentecostal Religion Because like Fox say’s,”

      - No many turn to Pentecostal religion because of two things a) they recieved no catechisis in the Catholic faith, b) Pentacostalism is an americanized religion all directed at the individual, where people are their own interpreter of the scriptures and faith in general. This suits Americans who cant fathom authority put over them in any way, not even by Christ himself

      “God is present there”

      - Possible, but just because one speaks in tongues does not mean they speak by the Holy Ghost. For instance while attending a baptist convention years ago a person was blaspheming in aramaic while everyone congratulated them on speaking in tongues. Tongues need interpretation or else be quiet as Paul says.

      The Holy Spirit has blessed Fox with the Gift of Tounges.

      - Maybe

      Tounges is a direct communication with mortals and God. What a wonderful story.

      -as if that is the only two options

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    • searching for the Truth
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 4:42pm

      1 Corinthians 14:22-23 King James – ” Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not,but for them which believe.” 23 – ” If therefore the whole church be come together into one place,and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?”

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    • by faith
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 5:43pm

      Fang
      A recent Pew Forum study found there are now 22 million ex-Catholics in America, which would be the country’s second-largest religious body after what’s left of the Catholic church itself.
      The overall perception is that this is an era of Catholic entropy. However, that’s just wildly wrong. The last half-century witnessed the greatest period of missionary expansion in the 2,000-year history of Catholicism. The Catholic population at the dawn of the 20th century was 1.9 million, while by the end of the century it was more than 130 million, representing a staggering growth rate of 6,708 percent. Overall, the global Catholic footprint shot up from 266 million in 1900 to 1.1 billion in 2000, ahead of the overall rate of increase in world population, and is still rising today.

      Most of Pentecostalism’s growth occurred in developing countries. While the growth-rate for Western churches has reached a plateau.

      There are more ex-catholics than Pentacostals.
      If you add up the 14 largest non-catholic Christian denominations…the Catholic church is still bigger

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    • iampraying4u
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 10:36am

      God is not present in the roman catholic church.God said DONT add to or take away from the word

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    • by faith
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 6:34pm

      IMPRAYING4U

      You often post ignorant one line hate speak about the Church.
      Archbishop Fulton Sheen once said, “There are not even 100 people in this country who hate the Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they think the Catholic Church to be.”

      You posted: God said DONT add to or take away from the word
      Let’s see just who does this?
      AD 367 The earliest extant list of the books of the NT, in exactly the number and order in which Catholic’s presently have them, is written by Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria.
      AD 382 Council of Rome Again listed the New Testament books in their present number and order.

      By the time of the Reformation, Christians had been using the same 73 books in their Bibles (46 in the Old Testament, 27 in the New Testament)–and thus considering them inspired–for more than 1100 years. This practice changed with Martin Luther, who dropped the deuterocanonical books on nothing more than his own say-so. Protestantism as a whole has followed his lead in this regard.

      One of the two “pillars” of the Protestant Reformation (sola scriptura or “the Bible alone”) in part states that nothing can be added to or taken away from God’s Word. History shows therefore that Protestants are guilty of violating their own doctrine.

      There are seven books that come into question–Tobit, Judith, 1 and 2 Maccabees, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus, and Baruch–properly called the deuterocanonical books.

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  • FaithfulFriend
    Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:15pm

    God is not the author of confusion. Hopefully she sits next to a Holy Ghost interpreter. Otherwise, it’s pointless and she should speak to herself, and to God.

    Perhaps she could climb up the Holy Ghost ladder and become a prophet.

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  • TIMEBOMB
    Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:11pm

    I want my serfs to know she’s making your magnificent gay Marxist ruler question his gayness. You ask who is the Antichrist? Um That would be me and I’m going to destroy the world.

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  • chips1
    Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:10pm

    She just described what it means to believe in something larger than yourself. The more you use your mind, the more questions you have. One belief doesn’t fit all. You are one of a kind.

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  • civilwarcometh
    Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:10pm

    Yeah speaking in tongue’s is way worse than being a suicide bomber. Go try both of them then come back tell me what you think…

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  • CloudNine
    Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:09pm

    She’s about as bright as a goldfish! I am laughing so hard I can barely type.

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  • runwithscissors
    Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:06pm

    Seemed like she was never concerned about her career, and that she didn’t really care for other actors. This could be the reason.

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    • Supah_Patriot
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:19pm

      Oh, you’re so oppressed. Cry me a river.

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:24pm

      FYI…. Supah_Patriot is none other than EtchySketchy/Pork_Anvil…..

      Got ya sucker!

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    • runwithscissors
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 2:03pm

      You think I think Im oppressed based on this statement? Weird

      My point is I always wondered why she didn’t seem to care about her career, perhaps her religiosity makes that part of her life unimportant to her.

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    • 00100111
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 2:09pm

      Supah, you’ve only got few hours left. Tick tock, tick tock.

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    • Phreqguru
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 3:20pm

      The other day I passed by this Mexican market and there was a sign that said; “Tongue Spoken Here”. I didn’t go inside. If I knew Megan might have been there I may have made the effort…just to take notes of course.

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    • DLV
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 5:43pm

      I meant to ask monk how do you know who people are?

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  • BODYBAG
    Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:03pm

    When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

    But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

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    • Robert Hawk
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:19pm

      Please include the reference to scripture if you quote it .. Thanks (both quotes are from 1st chronicles) The first is 13:11 and the second is 2:14).

      Its good to hear that there are those who believe in our Father, even in tensile town. Megan will stand longer than the rest of the brute beasts if she stays on this track during her time here.

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    • Vigilent American Citizen
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 2:55pm

      1 Cor 2:7-10
      7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,
      8 which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
      9 But as it is written: “EYE HAS NOT SEEN, NOR EAR HEARD, NOR HAVE ENTERED INTO THE HEART OF MAN THE THINGS WHICH GOD HAS PREPARED FOR THOSE WHO LOVE HIM.”

      10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.

      But it seems some here believe that this scriptural reference should be removed from the Bible because it is no longer for today.

      So far today I have to remove the teachings of Jesus and Paul and of course Luke with the book of Acts … I am not going to have much of a Bible left if I remove all the things that according to some “have passed away”.

      Just because it is dry where you live does not mean it I am not enjoying a gusher over here. I receive the Spirit with gladness studied to see if it was so, asked God for it and standing in the factory all by myself I received it. Awesome, Life changing, powerful!

      Pray this prayer with me. Father God I know I need your power in my daily life. I believe and receive Jesus as my Lord and Savior. Forgive me of my sins and wash me with the blood Jesus. Fill me with the Holy Spirit of God with the evidence of speaking in other tongues. I receive it now in Jesus name Amen!

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  • chucksue351
    Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:03pm

    not everything that is religious is Scriptural (set apart writing of the Jews and Messianics)

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  • TH30PH1LUS
    Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:02pm

    Mrs Fox,

    Thank you for speaking out boldly about your faith. Expect backlash. Stand firm.

    Speaking in tongues is a beautiful gift from God. May you continue to grow more and more like Jesus every day.

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    • Cesium
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:27pm

      I highly doubt she reads Blaze comments.

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    • TheCalmOne
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:35pm

      But Jesus didn’t speak in tongues. He most likely spoke Aramaic.

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    • TH30PH1LUS
      Posted on January 28, 2013 at 2:17pm

      @ Cesium: one never knows these things for sure.

      @TheCalmOne: “…these signs will accompany those who believe: … they will speak in new tongues…” – Jesus
      “I would like every one of you to speak in tongues…” Apostle Paul
      “All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tonguesa as the Spirit enabled them.” Acts chapter 2
      “For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God.” Apostle Paul
      “When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied.” Acts chapter 19
      “Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.” Acts chapter 8

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  • gyro
    Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:02pm

    just wow

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  • huey6367
    Posted on January 28, 2013 at 12:52pm

    Hollywood speaks … news at 11.

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