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These Are America’s Most (& Least) ‘Bible-Minded’ Cities (How Does Yours Rank?)

Jan. 28, 2013 7:15am Billy Hallowell

Barna Groups Assembles the Most and Least Bible Minded Cities in America

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Is your city “Bible-minded?” It’s an interesting question — especially in a day-and-age when faith in the public sphere, by many accounts, is under siege. Recently, the Barna Group and The American Bible Society set out to explore U.S. cities to determine how much people rely upon the Bible. Based on 42,855 interviews nationwide, including an exploration of Bible trends in 96 U.S. localities, the holy book’s place in contemporary society was assessed in detail.

Naturally, one wonders what, exactly, it means to be “Bible-minded.” After all, there are a plethora of indicators, with different people holding divergent ideas about how the book should be read and processed. Considering these differences, here’s how the analysis worked: People who said that they read their Bible in a typical week while also strongly noting their belief that the book is accurate in the sentiments it teaches qualify as “Bible-minded.” So, the measure is two-fold; it involves a mixture of action and adherence.

When it comes to the cities that revere the Bible most fervently, the South still corners the market. In the top ranking cities, as Barna notes, at least half of the populations qualify as “Bible-minded.” These cities include: Knoxville, Tenn. (52% of the population), Shreveport, La. (52%), Chattanooga, Tenn. (52%), Birmingham, Ala. (50%), and Jackson, Miss. (50%). Barna continues, providing more information about the cities that have the least Bible-minded residents:

The least Bible-oriented markets include a mix of regions, but tend to be from the New England area. Easily the lowest Bible-minded scores came from Providence, RI (9%) and Albany, NY (10%). To put this in perspective, the most Bible-minded markets are five times more likely to have residents who qualify as Bible-minded than is true in these two Northeastern cities.

Though these two cities are the most extreme, none of the cities in the bottom 10 break 20%, where even one in five people could be considered Bible-minded. The New England area is home to most of the markets in the bottom 10 Bible-minded cities, including Burlington, VT (16%), Portland, ME (16%), Hartford, CT (16%), Boston, MA (16%), Buffalo, NY (18%) and New York, NY (18%).

The remaining markets in the bottom 10 are primarily in the West and include San Francisco, CA (16%), Phoenix, AZ (17%), and Las Vegas, NV (18%). Cedar Rapids, IA (18%) being something of an outlier.

The below infographic highlights the 96 cities in order from most to least Bible-minded, while also providing a U.S. map that marks the most and least fervent citizenry:

Photo Credit: Barna Group/American Bible Society

Read more about the results on the Barna Group’s web site.

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RemoteCoderz
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 11:01am
The study is a fraud. In it no where is Dearbornistan, MI, or Murfreesborn, TN

Forget the atheists, or the less christian inclined, there is help for those people, LOL

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- Jim S
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 11:34am
  Would this be the Jesus and Satan are brothers and we all get our own planet and become Gods bible ?…or that other one?
  
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- mewnani
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 12:20pm
  The real one sir, where Satan is the enemy of all mankind and eternal salvation is available to all who believe Jesus Christ is our savior. :D
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 3:01pm
  I like the sound of that town’s name
  
  Mur-frees-boro
  
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- JRook
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 3:52pm
  Would love to see some of the real data, particularly the stuff they don’t want to publish. Like correlation with educational level and correlation with key demographics. Would also like to see the crime rates, divorce rates, level of charity, etc. in these high bible cities.
  
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- Believer33
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 3:52pm
  @ Jim
  
  You are an idiot!
  
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- nuttyvet
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 5:10pm
  The problem with most atheists is that they call believers feeble minded and insult their faith. The problem with Christians is that their faith prevents them from asking pertinent questions and keeping an open mind about the world around them. As an agnostic, I see miracles and I’m deeply moved by spiritual events. However, I’m not prevented by the strict guidelines of an organized religion, from seeking truth. My actions are guided by inherent ritchiousness of good acts and my actions are genuine because they come from the heart and not from the idea that someone invisible watching and judging my actions. The problem with this is that I am crucified by Christians (so to speak) by not believing in the deification of Christ. I believe in a Creator, I just don’t trust that humans have the right idea behind who or what the Creator is. So, with that said, I’d be more comfortable in a city that sees the bible as one of many ancient texts on the origins of life but not the end all be all.
  
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- Jim S
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 5:25pm
  Believer33
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 3:52pm
  @ Jim
  You are an idiot!
  ..that may well be true however it doesn’t answer my question. The Mormons have a Bible like some versions of a “Christian” bible mostly assembled by the Catholic theologians AND some version 1.2 , gold tablets,buried in the back yard with a bit more information than the Catholic or King James version. Then you have the problem of reading the same words and getting totally different meanings..Book of Revelations? it is a warning to the Churches in the area of Rome? A indictment of the Holy Sea in Rome and the Whore of Babylon being the Pope?. The Rapture ? So, you have a few books of the Bible,we’ll leave out the Jews I suppose, we like some stuff in their bible but they weren’t to keen on the Jesus fellow…so if you and I read the same book and have completely different understanding of it’s content..well I guess I don’t believe YOUR bible…words have meaning..even to idiots…Salt Lake a good Bible town ?..but you don’t believe their “Bible”..so are they or not?…meaningless question, which when exposed causes people to call other people “idiots”..but I enjoyed the exchange of ideas on Our Lord and Savior…I come in Peace..Be not Afraid..and love idiots…we need it more than the bright people like yourself.
  
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- joel228
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 5:51pm
  The word “idiot” may be a good description for Jim S. But even better is the word that Christ himself called those like him. He is a fool.
  2 Nephi 29
  3 And because my words shall hiss forth—many of the Gentiles shall say: A Bible! A Bible! We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible.
  4 But thus saith the Lord God: O fools….
  6 Thou fool, that shall say: A Bible, we have got a Bible, and we need no more Bible. Have ye obtained a Bible save it were by the Jews?
  http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/2-ne/29?lang=eng&query=bible+bible
  
  I noticed Jim also dismisses the Jews. Do you give credit to the ancient Jews that provided the bible in the first place?
  
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- sixpacktr
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 6:25pm
  Jim S,
  
  Don’t be an idiot, pls. Get a grip on what you’re talking about before you blather on. We Mormons have never claimed that the Book of Mormon is the Bible, and I defy you to find what you are posting in the Book of Mormon. Pls, point out the chapter and verse where that is at so that I can read it. But you are basically just a snarky coward and put in your stupid digs and hide.
  
  And where did Murfreesborn come from? I looked in the list to see if I could find Murfreesboro, where I live. All I have to say is that it is a great place to live, and there are jobs here. No state income tax, conservatives a plenty, and guns every where you look. I don’t watch the local news, but I do know that there aren’t a lot of shootings happening here. You’d have to be stupid to break into a house here, because everyone is armed!
  
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- Jim S
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 6:42pm
  @joel228
  ..I do not dismiss the Jews whatsoever, what happened to their 24 books? Do you follow the Jewish Bible, Christian Bible, St.James version? Catholic? Mormon why not ?..a good Baptist and a good Roman Catholic share most of text of the same bible,but disagree totally on it’s meaning and application..one believes the other’s leader is the Anti-Christ ! You and I may agree of the divinity of Christ but our Jewish brothers do not. So what is a Bible minded city? We can agree on what a city is..Bible?..it’s a silly article, filler, was my larger point..some folks missed that…Vatican City a bible minded city ?..just asking…I think so BTW :)
  
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- Jim S
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 6:57pm
  @sixpacktr
  …well some readings..
  Seventy Joseph Young (brother of Brigham Young):
  
  “Who is it that is at the head of this? It is the Devil, the mighty Lucifer, the great prince of the angels, and the brother of Jesus.” (Journal of Discourses 6:207).
  In 1946 a new course of study was released for the Melchizedek Priesthood quorums, Written and published under the direction of the general authorities, it was authored by LDS Seventy Milton R. Hunter, and published under the title of The Gospel Through the Ages:
  
  “The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer, son of the morning. Haughty, ambitious, and covetous of power and glory, this spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind.” (Milton R. Hunter, The Gospel Through the Ages, p.15)
  ..my error, teachings of some Mormon Theologians have some different interpretations…which was my larger point..we don’t agree on what the Bible says,means..how does one use it as some guidepost of city dwellers. I don’t question God…just people who need to judge various locations Bibleness…it’s a very strange concept to judge city to city by a book the city inhabitants don’t agree on meaning or translation…I don’t care if you are a Mormon,Baptist or Catholic…love God,love each other…don’t call each other idiots ..or do and feel superior,but maybe you’re not :)
  
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- Quester55
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:34pm
  Why do the ATHEIST like JIM B. Feel the need to Speak on a topic he has No real idea about? I’d love to have His Kind on the Front Lines with me, Just to have him Watch all of his Buddies as they Lay in the Bloody Mud with their GUTS hanging out & asking about GOD!
  It’s TRUE, There are No Such Things as ATHEIST in FOX HOLES!
  There were Many a Soldier on our Flight Deck, being unloaded, Wounded with little chance to live, Some Screaming that they were on Fire in Hell while others were CALM & Praising JESUS, for the peace they felt. NO DRUGS, Just PURE FAITH!
  Ask most ER Room Doctors & they’ll say the same thing,
  
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- Jadedfate
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 11:21pm
  Quester, you’ll find, if you do any research, studies show that most athiests know more about the bible than those that believe..see, those of us that don’t believe typically spent years trying to find the answers we were looking for in the Bible..and it was in that study that we realized how absurd it really is. I know this is how it happened with me..the more I learned, the more I saw it as extremely flawed and contradictory. Yes, Reading the Bible made me a non believer. And I assure you, I know a good deal about it and the actual history of it. You see, those that don’t believe, typically, are truth seekers. And we see no truth in the Bible when compared to what we know through real history and science.
  
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- aiello78
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 3:51am
  My early doubts about the existence of the spirit realm also caused me to seek a better understanding of Christianity and the Bible. When I started exploring the Bible from the perspective of seeking inner peace and strength, it started to make sense. The idea of releasing self through trust in God eventually made Christianity useful for me in a very real way. Check out my free online book on Biblical Higher Power Spirituality for Inner Peace and Strength titled Hidden Treasure. Click here: http://sites.google.com/site/aiellopeter01
  
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- Jim S
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 10:50am
  @Quester55
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:34pm
  Why do the ATHEIST like JIM B. Feel the need to Speak on a topic he has No real idea about?
  ..if this was for me, Jim S not B..I am not a Atheist, Jesus Christ was God’s presence on Earth in human form. Not being a atheist before the fox hole entrance, I wouldn’t after. You have no idea what my life’s fox holes have been so don’t make any further assumptions. The ignorance of the article’s premise, that cities could be compared by their bible beliefs. We don’t agree on the Bible, we have different version, interpretations, applications. Do you believe in Reconciliation via a priest? The Rapture? Transubstantiation?…the theological interpretation by SOME Mormon theologians of Jesus and Satan being cosmic brothers?..All read the same book, all get something very different and NONE are atheists. I point out the the article is silly and am called a idiot and atheist..OK, I am not the brightest bulb,or demist, but I do love God who took the form of that fellow Jesus…and it’s a shame some people need to see their intestines before they see the love of Our Lord….some idiots don’t.
  
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- The Jewish Avenger
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 12:41pm
  I dont know… We just had the gay marriage vote and the only reason it passed was because of Portland and Lewiston/Auburn, seems accurate to me…
  
  (Whitest state (Maine) and yet one of the dummest.. go fig)
  
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- GoliathsDavid
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 2:27pm
  Bible minded vs. Christ minded. The church was VERY bible-minded during the Inquisition…not very Christ minded.
  
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- HellboundandDown
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 4:14pm
  If religion were true, its followers would not try to bludgeon their young into an artificial conformity; but would merely insist on their unbending quest for truth, irrespective of artificial backgrounds or practical consequences.
  H. P. Lovecraft
  
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DeavonReye
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:50am
I live in a VERY religious city. Several bible colleges. . . churches everywhere. Makes no difference to me. . . . . . nor does it make the story true. Real truth [or believed falsehood] is what it is, regardless of how many [per capita] agrees with it.

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- SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 2:39pm
  Well if you consider that the Son of God was murdered in a very religious community I would tend to agree with you. Interesting thing if you read the account of the demon talking with Jesus in the Gospels, it was respectful, humble, praying to Jesus not to be tortured, acknowledged His rightful authority and position over him. Sounds like quite a religious demon, does it not? The one thing he lacked that made him the enemy of God – love. It’s what separates the religious from the true follower of Christ. So in one since I agree with you that mere religiosity means very little in that even if I give my body to the flames, my money to the poor, and can preach like an angel if I have not love what does it profit me before God? —- Nothing. Take care my friend.
  
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- DeavonReye
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 3:00pm
  That’s actually a verse I like. Not that I would become a christian from it, but the sentiment is good. :-)
  
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- thereyougoagain
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 4:34pm
  Amen!
  
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:45am
Let’s see….my state is right in the middle.

Ohio has always been very fickle and unable to make up it’s mind. That’s why it is the epitome of purple states.

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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:02pm
  @Cabrito,
  
  Ah, another Buckeye. I had no idea. I’m in central Ohio, just north of Columbus, if you live around there or are ever in the area give me a shout, I really like your level headed intelligent posts.
  
  As to the article: I’m interested in Liberty inclined city. Living in a Christian nirvana may be ideal for some, but experience demonstrates to me that some of the more “religious” places I’ve lived tend to be very socially rigid if you don’t attend the “correct Church” of the majority, and what good then is living there when you become an outcast because you follow Christian faith B while most others favor Christian faith A in your area?
  
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- oneshiner
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 2:36pm
  God, help us.
  
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truthnstuff
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:35am
The stupid can’t help being part of the left, there is no thought there. When they get infected by “liberalism” it is like a cancer which invades and kills any shred of biblical decency, morality, ethical behavior and societal “norms”.

These are the “useful idiots”, the walking dead.

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- catty
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:53am
  Are all Catholics stupid?
  
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- Zipit
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 12:32pm
  Truth is TRUTH! You know your right each time a story like this hits THE BLAZE! The angry atheist left, show up like a hungry pack of wolves attacking anything to do with faith or someone’s perceived idea of decency!!!!
  
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- jhpackard
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 2:09pm
  Sweet Catty: Speaking from my experience as a former Catholic, and from my observations, I say, yes, most Catholics are stupid, though, happily, not all.
  
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- Jadedfate
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 2:46pm
  I always find it amusing..I’m against belief in magical beings and believe we should worry more about reality and equal treatment of all people, and I’m a leftist, but to lefties, I’m a Right winger cause I’m all for small government. Being a Libertarian is so much fun lol
  
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- edmundburk
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 2:49pm
  @CATTY- did you forget your club, neanderthal ?
  
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- Jadedfate
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 2:50pm
  Also, if it’s “truth” then prove it. There is very little historical evidence that supports any validity in the bible. Archeology finds very few things that actually happened..no evidence the Jews were ever slaves in Egypt, and just about every ounce of mystical abilities attributed to Jesus were all attributed to other people or deities before his time. Sorry, there’s no proof of truth..for something to be true, it needs concrete evidence to back it up. Your belief in its truth does not make it so for everyone.
  
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- SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 3:09pm
  @ JADED….”I always find it amusing..I’m against belief in magical beings and believe we should worry more about reality and equal treatment of all people”.
  
  You do see the hypocritical nature of this statement I trust since many many people do believe in God? Should evil people or mean people be treated equally? Should those who lie and abuse be treated equally with those who do not? Should those who refuse to work be treated like those who work everyday? The problem with your worldview as you stated is that it is a fantasy that does not deal in the reality of our world. Namely, that tolerance is not a virtue but rather a vice. Tolerance is not something to be upheld as admirable. Rather all should be treated with respect simply because they are a person with dignity and value, but this does not mean all worldviews are equally good or profitable therefore are not worthy of equal acceptance. Not to mention that ALL worldviews strive for dominance. Take your statement for instance; would you tolerate my view that says yours is wrong and harmful to society as a whole and therefore should be rejected? If not then you have already violated your stated premise. Seems you have not critically thought through many of your stated beliefs and their consequences/implications. Thank you..
  
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- sinajudge
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 6:13pm
  @Jadedfate That’s not true at all. Where are you getting your information? So the Merneptah Stele, an Egyptian tablet is not viable? Why? Did the Hyksos never exist? As a matter of fact we had to use archaeology to figure out who the Pharaoh of the exodus and the enslavement were because the Bible does not mention them by name (which the scribes did on purpose to spite them. They gave the names of the two Hebrew midwives but not the Pharaohs.) I suggest you do more research on history and archaeology of the Bible.
  
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- glassaudioguy
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 7:03pm
  @Jaded- actually the pagan parallels to Jesus developed AFTERWARDS, about 150-200 AD, meaning the pagans and Gnostics borrowed from the Christians, not the other way around.
  
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- DIgnified
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 2:27am
  You’re really a disgusting thing that should be grateful to even be allowed to intentionally brainwash and dumb down kids. You want to create a child who will remain easily manipulatable into adulthood, fine. Dont drag everyone else’s kids down into the brainless mire of hate and loathing that is Christianity.
  
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j_aa_k
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:32am
I moved from #83 Syracuse (19%) to #7 Charlotte (49%) and unfortunately have not noticed much difference in Christ-like behavior. Its great that the south seems to be “bible-minded”, unfortunately I think we have alot of people that the bible describes in James 1:23-24 “For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks intently at his natural face in a mirror. 24 For he looks at himself and goes away and at once forgets what he was like.”

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- kaydeebeau
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:34pm
  Did it ever occur to you that perhaps it is the crowd of people you run with – maybe you should look for another groups of “friends” – Do you hang out in bars or Wed night prayer meetings?
- j_aa_k
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 5:22pm
  Christ spent more time hanging out with drunks, prostitutes, sinners, and tax collectors in the bars than he did with Pharisees at their wednesday night prayer meetings.
  
  Jesus did not come to make bad people good; He came to make dead people live
  
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joan k
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:20am
Now I know why I never liked it in my area. It is almost dead last on the scale! I can’t wait to move!

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nbarendt
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:08am
IMO the unbelievers don’t believe because they don’t want to be held accountable to a higher being they don’t want to think about consequences.

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- Jadedfate
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:16am
  Then you’re an idiot. Sorry, but I don’t believe because there’s no proof. Morality has nothing to do with faith..if you need the fear of god to make you a good person, then there’s something wrong with you in the head. You shouldn’t need the fear of divine punishment to make you a good person. I certainly don’t.
  
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- neozon
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:18am
  Stop being an idiot and forces this big lie.
  
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- IMCHRISTIAN
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:30am
  Jade… I have faith. It is like I know Washington was our first President.
  
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- ComeTakeIt
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:37am
  @JADED
  “Then you’re an idiot. Sorry, but I don’t believe because there’s no proof. Morality has nothing to do with faith..if you need the fear of god to make you a good person, then there’s something wrong with you in the head. You shouldn’t need the fear of divine punishment to make you a good person. I certainly don’t.”
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  I believe you may be the idiot. Please describe for me what a “good person” is please? What morality are you describing? Who decides what is considered “good” and what is considered “bad”? You? The media? A simple majority? Teachers? Please enlighten me. Can you prove how “good” of a person you are? What does being a “good” person get you in the end anyway? Why should any of us worry about being “good” (if we can find a definition for it, that is)?
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:39am
  If you feel that you are not judged for your conduct in this life, then what assurance do I have that you do not hope to take advantage of people in this life? I do not have any such confidence in you.
  
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- Jadedfate
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:42am
  Easy, I don’t do anything that would harm anyone else, at least not intentionally. Seems pretty simple.
  
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- God_Is_Not
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:50am
  If you believe you can conduct yourself in any manner that pleases you, then simply ask for forgiveness and be pardoned, then what assurance do I have that you do not hope to take advantage of people in this life? I do not have any such confidence in you.
  
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- JulieU
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:50am
  Life does come with an instruction manual – it is called God’s Word, The Bible. You must study it, not merely read it in order to discover the true meaning.
  This poem describes a true Christian. Yes, there are hypocrites, but there are a lot more true Christians.
  When I say…”I am a Christian”
  by Carol Wimmer
  
  When I say…”I am a Christian”
  I’m not shouting “I am saved”
  I’m whispering “I get lost!”
  “That is why I chose this way.”
  
  When I say…”I am a Christian”
  I don’t speak of this with pride.
  I’m confessing that I stumble
  and need someone to be my guide.
  
  When I say…”I am a Christian”
  I’m not trying to be strong.
  I’m professing that I’m weak
  and pray for strength to carry on.
  
  When I say…”I am a Christian”
  I’m not bragging of success.
  I’m admitting I have failed
  and cannot ever pay the debt.
  
  When I say…”I am a Christian”
  I’m not claiming to be perfect,
  my flaws are too visible
  but God believes I’m worth it.
  
  When I say…”I am a Christian”
  I still feel the sting of pain
  I have my share of heartaches
  which is why I seek His name.
  
  When I say…”I am a Christian”
  I do not wish to judge.
  I have no authority.
  I only know I’m loved.
  
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- Hiswill
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 11:19am
  JulieU: Beautiful description of a Christian. God Bless you for sharing. Jesus lives!
  
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- Sosorryforyou
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 11:49am
  @JULIE-
  
  Sorry, but the Bible is a very new addition to life here on earth. Life on earth is millions of years old and DID NOT come with an instruction manual. If you believe in God, he/she exists whether or not the Bible ever existed. The “instructions” on how to live your life lie deep in your heart, not in a 2000+-year-old book.
  
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- Jadedfate
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 11:56am
  Well I have no fear of divine wrath and do conduct myself how I feel is right. And I do just fine. I’m not in jail, I have loving friends and family that I love as well. I have a decent career, and enjoy my life to the fullest, harming nobody through any intentional act. So far, I’m doing pretty well. I’m happier than I ever was as a Christian…opening my eyes to the world of fact and science has made me much happier and a much better person, as I don’t judge others based off some made up supernatural being says is right and wrong.
  
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- Zipit
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:15pm
  SOSORRY! In response to Julieu, you said; “Sorry, but the Bible is a very new addition to life here on earth. Life on earth is millions of years old and DID NOT come with an instruction manual.” So is the unproven mania surrounding “man-made global warming”, “climate change”, “catastrophic climate change”!!!!! But I would be willing to bet that you’ve bought into that one hook line and sinker! If you are to believe scientific consensus, life on earth is actually thought to have existed for somewhere close to three and a half billion years! There’s more that we don’t know! Don’t ya think?
  
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- ChappellGirl5
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 5:26pm
  @Jadedfate Have you ever lied? Then you’re not good. Have you ever taken anything that didn’t belong to you, even if it was just a pen from the office or a playmate’s toy? Then you’re not good. Have you ever thought lustfully after someone not your spouse? Then you’re not good. Have you ever hated someone? Then you’re not good. Have you ever envied what someone else had or was? Then you’re not good. Mankind’s heart is not good, it is evil & only the morals laid down by society keeps them “good”. Those morals have their roots in the commandments of the Bible, but even before God gave them to Moses, He spoke them to people starting at Adam & Eve. Before they were written down they were passed down by word of mouth. “There is no one who does good, no not one. We are all like sheep who have gone astray.”
  
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- sinajudge
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 5:58pm
  @Jadedfate Actually from the 8th century BC onward we have almost spot on archaeological evidence to prove the events of the Bible. In fact my history of ancient civilizations teacher was an archeologist who had visited the Middle East many times. The Bible is not just an ancient text, it is the Israelite record book. If you don’t want to believe the theological aspects of the Bible that’s one thing but claiming there is no archaeological evidence at all is a completely false statement. For example, when Joseph was sold into slavery by his brothers he was not sold to the native Egyptians themselves but at that time Egypt was under the control of the Hyksos people. When the native Egyptians reclaimed the land of Egypt they destroyed the majority of Hyksos artifacts and then integrated the Jews into their slave labor. The first non biblical mention Israel is the Merneptah Stele from roughly 1220 BC and lists Israel as a people group. Please do more research before making claims on the internet.
  
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- Operator61
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 4:52am
  @jade, I would recommend that you read a book called “I don’t have enough faith to be an atheist” by Norman Geisler it is very comprehensive in covering most of your objections and covers aspects for which you claim there is no proof. There are many others out there that are not easily refuted for those seeking the truth with an open mind. Many atheist’s and agnostics after a lifetime of searching have come back to the bible only to realize that the truth was there all along.
  
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- Pspaay
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 7:07am
  Jaded — I think you have the wrong perspective. I’ll assume that you love and respect your father. Most of us want to do things that please our parents so we try to be “good’ by their standards. That same concept applies to God. We do “good” because we love God — NOT because we are afraid that we won’t be saved. If the only reason you do “good” is out of fear, then you don’t understand what the Bible is trying to teach us.
  
  You are jaded because you want the Bible to fit in to your understanding or the understanding that you’ve learned from others. The Bible is to be read literally. Every prophecy is backed up in other parts of the Bible from different times and through different people.
  
  One of the problems is that Bible wording has been “changed” to fit what “man” thinks it means. It is NOT meant to fit in to OUR beliefs like you are trying to do. Because you don’t understand it, you don’t want to believe it. The problem is that you are not alone. Millions “think” they know what the Bible says, when in truth they don’t. Try learning with an open mind for a “change”.
  
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YOURSENSEI
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:06am
This is what you must know:

Ah, Knoxville . . . home of the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church . . . and
Jim D. Adkisson, who marched into that church and opened fire. Why? Because he’d had enough of liberals and gays. A search of his home revealed a trove of right wing media content, including books by Limbaugh and Hannity and O’Reilly and others.

Yeah, God’s country and God’s people.

It is so.
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- Centurian
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 11:43am
  I love it when you post and show your stupidity to the world. Do you REALLY want to go down this road that you are on?
  
  You’re like a few people that I know; always looking for the negative in something, then harping on it.
  
  “This one person OVER HERE did this to me, or to them, and they WENT TO THAT CHURCH! See? They’re all hypocrites” is what they yell, over and over again, as a mantra.
  
  Nothing like picking one person out of the whole crowd and professing that the whole crowd is like that.
  
  To me, this is utter stupidity…
  
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- WillG
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 11:59am
  Do not mind this guy and his like. Obviously they are sadists and get off in some sick twisted manner by being mocked and ridiculed by people like us. They are simply morons who either live off the Government reel or their parents basement worse yet both in most cases I am sure. Usually when you call them out on it you get the typical response of “My Mother lives with me!” there is a difference you know.
  
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DeathRattle
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:05am
Let’s take the most Bible believing city and compare it to the least and here is what we would see.

Believers Non Believers
Children get good grades Drop outs
Low teenage pregnancy Rampant abortion
Low crime rate Out of control crime
Republican run Democrat run
God fearing Govt/ Environment is god
Responsible Waiting to be fed by Govt

And on and on it can go, get the picture. Amazing that the slothful are praised and held up as victims in society these days.

Have fun adding to the list.
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- IMCHRISTIAN
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:16am
  Freedom lost freedom
  Morals ungodliness
  
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- catty
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:58am
  Please attach the crime/abortion statistics for Burlington Vermont.
  Boy that is a hellhole…
  You people are too easy.
  
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- Witness1974
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 3:04pm
  College: “First, have you ever read the Book of Mormon? If so, you would have realized while reading that the teachings are very similar. In fact, the Book of Mormon references the bible many times. It teaches of the law of Moses, and the coming of Christ.”
  
  Nearly the same thing can be said of the Koran. You say the teachings are very similar. All counterfeits are similar to the real thing. To be quite honest I have not read much of the Book of Mormon. It is not part of the recognized canon. I have read a little of it and the first “similarity” I noticed was that it was written in language similar to King James English. It struck me as very odd that Smith would use such language when the English common to his day was nothing like the language used in the KJV. As far as the Book of Mormon explaining the teachings of Christ, He and the Apostles He selected did all the explaining necessary.
  
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MachIV
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:03am
How could Salt Lake City be ranked so low?

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- Witness1974
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:23am
  Because Mormons are not Christians and do not hold the Bible as the sole word of God. They base their faith on extra-Biblical works.
  
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- nealb4zodd
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 11:30am
  Exactly. there’s no way. And to the idiot below this comment and all those tards who are thinking it . .just stop already . STOP. You’e wrong. MORMONS ARE. . ABSOULTELY 100% CHRISTIAN. THEY READ THE BIBLE AND FOLLOW THE TEACHINGS OF CHRIST. – They also readand study the Old Testament, which most protestants know very little about. I call Bullcrap on this study.
  
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- Witness1974
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 11:50am
  Well, Neal, what book do the Mormons show up carrying when they come to the door, the Bible or the book of Mormon? One cannot hold two antithetical teachings at the same time and remain rational, which is clearly the case with your irrational rant and name calling. By the way, any serious Christian studies the Old Testament as well as the New. The promises of the OT come to fruition in the NT. “In the OT is the NT concealed; In the NT is the OT revealed.”
  
  “Though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed” (Galations 1:8).
  
  Mormons may be nice people but if they abide by Mormon doctrine they must turn their backs on Christian doctrine. They are Mormons, not Christians and I would think they would be able to own that; unless of course they are the religious equivalent of liberals whose beliefs are so odious that they must lie about what they are in order to gain followers.
  
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- LibertyGoddess
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 12:27pm
  The study was done on “cities”…they are correct. SLC is 70% non Mormon now. The rest of the state is filled with law abiding, God-loving citizens, who very much follow the teachings of Christ and read the Bible regularly.
  
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- CaliforniaD
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 12:55pm
  @Whitness1974. You are incorrect. The next time Mormon missionaries come to your door, you will find them with both Bibles and Books of Mormon. You will not find them preaching “another gospel,” but the Gospel of Jesus Christ supported but both the Bible and Another TESTAMENT of Jesus Christ–the Book of Mormon. Your misleading, inaccurate, and prejudiced anti-Mormon comments are unkind, bigoted, and un-American.
  
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- Witness1974
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:09pm
  Californiad: I refer you to my orginal comment, which you have not refuted. Mormons rely on extra-biblical texts that are not consistent with Biblical teaching. Who is Jesus Christ?
  
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- College_Conservative
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:49pm
  @Witness1974
  
  First, have you ever read the Book of Mormon? If so, you would have realized while reading that the teachings are very similar. In fact, the Book of Mormon references the bible many times. It teaches of the law of Moses, and the coming of Christ. The book continues to explain many of his teachings. The Book of Mormon is a companion of the Bible and is meant to help clarify gospel principles. So, yes you are correct that the Mormon religion does use extra biblical work, but it is not to prove the Bible wrong. In fact, it is meant to be as a partner to both prove it’s truthfulness and to help clarify some of the more difficult to understand portions. Furthermore, to believe that Mormons are not Christian is extremely false. They very much do believe in Christ, and he is at the center of the religion.
  
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- brother_ed
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:50pm
  @CALIFORNIAD
  
  I know it can be frustrating, but don’t let the haters and misinformed get you down.
  
  1) We believe in God the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
  
  3) We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
  
  6) We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitave Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
  
  8) We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
  
  11) We claim the privilege of worshipping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where or what they may.
  
  13) We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul – We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.
  
  We invite all persons everywhere to read the Book of Mormon; to pray about it, and to find out for themselves if it is true.
  
  We invite all persons to repent and be baptized by one having authority and to follow Jesus.
  
  If not, we will part as friends.
  
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- Luv2GoFly
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 2:01pm
  @Witness1974 – It is sad to see the so-called Christians such as yourself repeat falsehoods propogated to them by anti-Mormon sources. Next time a Mormon missionary comes to your door, ask to see the scriptures he/she is carrying. You will find in each and every instance he/she will have the Old Testament, New Testament, Book of Mormon, and the Doctrine and Covenants. For you to claim Mormons do not read and study the Bible is an outright lie on your part. Mormons use the King James Version of the Bible. During high school, Mormon youths participate in four years of religious study, referred to as seminary. Each of those four years is dedicated to studying in depth one of the scriptural texts used in the church. So, one full year is dedicated to the study of the Old Testament, one to the New Testament, one to the Book of Mormon, and one to the Doctrine and Covenants and Church history.
  
  As to your question “Who is Jesus Christ?” – Mormons believe that Jesus Christ is a member of the Godhead along with Heavenly Father and the Holy Ghost. Jesus Christ was the Creator of the earth, and was sent to the earth by the Father to Atone for our sins, thus enabling us to overcome sin and death and return to live with Heavenly Father. That is it in a nutshell. You can try to twist things around in whatever warped way you want, but the truth of the matter is that Mormons believe that Jesus Christ is their Savior, and the only Way to God.
  
  Good day, sir!
  
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- P8riot
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 2:51pm
  @witness –
  
  “Who is Jesus Christ”?
  
  here is your answer directly from the “mormon” bible dictionary:
  
  “Christ. The anointed (Gk.) or Messiah (Heb.). Jesus, who is called Christ, is the firstborn of the Father in the spirit and the Only Begotten of the Father in the flesh. He is Jehovah, and was foreordained to his great calling in the Grand Councils before the world was. He was born of Mary at Bethlehem, lived a sinless life, and wrought out a perfect atonement for all mankind by the shedding of his blood and his death on the cross. He rose from the grave and brought to pass the bodily resurrection of every living thing and the salvation and exaltation of the faithful.
  
  He is the greatest Being to be born on this earth—the perfect example—and all religious things should be done in his name. He is Lord of lords, King of kings, the Creator, the Savior, the God of the whole earth, the Captain of our salvation, the Bright and Morning Star. He is in all things, above all things, through all things, and round about all things; he is Alpha and Omega, the first and the last; his name is above every name, and is the only name under heaven by which we can be saved.
  
  He will come again in power and glory to dwell on the earth, and will stand as Judge of all mankind at the last day.”
  
  Now a question for you: in what way, precisely, do you disagree with our definition of Christ as cited above? Maybe we’re more alike than you knew?
  
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  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 3:34pm
  P8riot: It would take us a long time to get down to what you mean. Your definitions of begotten may be much different than mine. If you mean that Christ is a created being then we disagree. The trinitarian Godhead is ONE God in three persons. All are co-equal and co-operative. They are all eternal. There were no Gods before them and there will be no Gods after them.
  
  To the rest of you who have accused me of being a hater and unamerican etc. You don’t know a thing about me. I don’t hate Mormons. I know a lot of Mormons and, like I said, the ones I’ve met have been “nice people.” (With the possible exception of a couple I’ve met here this morning.)
  
  As far as I know debate is at the very heart of being an American. Saying “Good day sir” with an exclamation point does not end the debate, nor does it legitimize your doctrine.
  
  If, as you claim, you hold the KJV of the Bible in high esteem then that is what we have in common and any arguments you present to me should be from that text. Otherwise I see this as a fruitless exercise. In any case, this forum does not lend itself to prolonged discussions of any depth. It’s too bad, because there are a lot of thoughtful people here that I wish I could exchange emails with.
  
  Finally, you are all free to believe what you want to believe. I have no desire to keep you from your beliefs. However, anything you add to the work of Christ as ground for salvation, baptism etc., is not Biblical. See the thief o
  
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- brother_ed
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 4:29pm
  @WITNESS1974
  
  Since you brought it up, the Nicean Creed is not found in the Bible.
  
  We believe that God & Jesus are separate beings.
  
  Jesus has a body, at least he has one now that He is ressurected – I would hope all Christians can agree about that.
  
  God is our Father – that is to say, the Father of our spirits – all of our spirits (even Jesus’).
  
  God is also the Father of Jesus in an earthly sense. I have earthly parents, I call them ‘Mom’ & ‘Dad’. We call Jesus’ earthly parents ‘God’ & ‘Mary’.
  
  God is both the Heavenly Father of Jesus and His earthly Father – that is why he is called the ‘only begotten Son’.
  
  That is an extremely short (and unauthorized) sketch of our interpretation.
  
  I understand that you interpret the scriptures differently, but to call ours wrong would be, well…wrong.
  
  We are taught to not be contentious, and though we try hard, we often fail – especially when encountering those who belittle our beliefs, or come across as ‘all knowing’ or flippant.
  
  You will find we have more in common than you might think, and it is my belief that we need to concentrate on our commonalities, not our differences; we need to be united at this point in history.
  
  You love Jesus, and I love Jesus…let’s not fuss about details that can’t be proven.
  
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- NavET-SS
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 4:41pm
  @witness1974
  
  Next time you see a couple of Mormon missionaries walking or riding down the street, stop and ask them what book they are carrying. They will pull out both the King James Version of the Bible and the Book of Mormon. If you don’t believe me, try it for yourself. I dare anyone to try that. They’ll be very polite, show you their Bible and Book or Mormon, and ask you if you are interested in learning more about Jesus Christ.
  
  Don’t talk as though you know something without finding the facts first.
  
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- Witness1974
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 5:28pm
  Brother-Ed: I appreciate your attempt at reconciliation. But your Jesus and my Jesus can not be reconciled. Your Christ and the Christ of the Bible are not the same. Which is what I have been saying all along. One of the things that enraged the Jews so much about Jesus was His claim to be God. When He said, “Before Abraham was, I AM.” They knew exactly what he was saying. He was claiming to be the Eternal God of Abraham.
  
  Islam holds Christ to be one of their prophets. They also say that the Bible is the word of God, but it has been mistranslated in places. I went to a Hindu temple once whose likeness do you think was on the alter along with their other prophets? That’s right, Jesus. Mormonism is nothing new really, people have been trying to redefine Jesus since before they crucified Him.
  
  I’m sorry if it upsets everyone out there that believes Mormon doctrine, but pretending that Mormonism and Christianity are the same is not the loving thing to do. It doesn’t help anyone.
  
  Having said all that I have to say that I think there are believers and unbelievers in every church. I have no doubt that there are Mormons whose faith is in Christ and are saved, but it will be in spite of, not because of Mormon doctrine. I think any honest person who compares Mormon doctrine with orthodox Christianity will see significant differences. As you have so aptly pointed out.
  
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- P8riot
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 5:51pm
  @witness
  
  As brother_ed stated, you have to understand that many members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have had the beliefs that we hold most sacred demeaned for a long time (ever since we were first established). This isn’t an excuse for being short fused, but hopefully it explains why we sometimes respond so directly.
  
  As for your point that we have several doctrines that differ from your own, yes, we absolutely stipulate to that. However, to simply say that since more people believe one way than the other is proof that the majority must be correct is illogical. You are obviously an intelligent person, so I won’t go into the many examples of when the theory of the majority was absolutely wrong.
  
  When we call ourselves Christians, the purpose is not to say that we have the exact same doctrine as the majority. Rather, the purpose is to let the world know that we believe in and follow Christ as our Savior and Redeemer and know that there is no other name in heaven whereby a man may be saved. The term “Christian” is simply a name first given to believers in Jesus Christ. It was first given at Antioch in Syria, about A.D. 43 (Acts 11:26). It was perhaps given contemptuously, but was accepted by followers of Christ as a fit title. See 1 Pet. 4:16.
  
  We declare, without reservation, that we follow Jesus Christ. That makes us Christian.
  
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- sixpacktr
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 6:36pm
  Because unfortunately Mormons are not considered Christians, no matter how we argue the case. It is kind of like trying to convince a Progressive that they are destroying the Constitution: they just won’t believe it even when you show them example after example. I once had a very good friend that I would talk religion with, and when I asked him if he’d listen to our message and judge for himself, he told me point blank: if I were to die and Christ himself told me that the Mormons were right, I’d not believe it. So we are dealing with pride and a stubbornness to let go of what they are sure is right.
  
  And before all of you anti’s light me up, just remember think about what a true Christian is. It is someone that walks as best they can after the example of Jesus Christ. So let me tell you what a typical Mormon does with their time and money. They give at least 10% of their income to the church. They volunteer their time and means to the church, giving many hours a week to church service, all unpaid. They teach their children to be good citizens, to be productive, to get as much education as they can. They read the scriptures together as a family and individually. They pray as a family and individually. They visit the sick and needy and provide whatever comfort they can. They are self-sufficient. They try to be Christlike in all that they do….
  
  Yup, them darn Mormons are some shady characters all right….
  
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- Witness1974
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 6:53pm
  P8riot and sixpak: I never used the majority argument. I really don’t know why you brought it up.
  
  To extrapolate your experience with one friend so that you can accuse me of pride is a stretch to say the least.
  
  Also, I have said at least twice here that Mormons I have known are nice people. I know that Mormons also do good works. I’m sure most Mormons are fine citizens.
  
  I am not arguing the character of Mormons. I am merely pointing out the differences in our doctrine, which more than one of you now has finally owned up to.
  
  Since I have put more energy into this than it is apparently worth and used up more than my share of space here, let this be my final word on the matter: If you want to be a Mormon, be a Mormon.
  
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- sixpacktr
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:41pm
  Witness, I apologize if you thought I was talking abt you. I never mentioned you or anyone for that matter. All I’m saying is that in my experience people refuse to go to the source of information but instead rely on what their pastor or priest or anti friend has to say rather than get their info directly from the horses mouth. And to be honest, I couldn’t care less if someone thinks I believe in Christ or not or of I’m a Christian or not. The only person I care about as far as who imam and in whom I trust is my Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ. Nobody else’s opinion matters one iota to me. I have had more issues with supposed Christians than I ever have had with those that are not. Luckily, our Heavenly Father will judge all of us as mercifully as He can, even me, a lowly Mormon…
  
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- P8riot
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 10:47am
  @witness…
  
  I know you won’t be responding any more, but just in case you read this… my point about the “theory of the majority” not always being accurate was based upon your repeated point that we can’t be Christians because our doctrine does not conform with “orthodox Christianity.”
  
  To be frank, I believe that “orthodox Christianity” is teaching a different gospel than what is taught in the Bible. However, I do not thereby claim that you are not a Christian. This is because a Christian is simply a believer and follower of Christ, which I believe you to be… even if you disagree with me on whether He has a body or not. (Luke 24:39 – Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.)
  
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- HavocK
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 4:43pm
  Hmmm…
  
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monticellomatthew
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:55am
“… and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.” 1 Cor. 3:17

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- Jadedfate
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:03am
  That’s funny considering how repressive Christianity, and all other major religions for that matter, are.
- Witness1974
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:26am
  Jadedfate: You clearly do not know what you are talking about.
  
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- Jadedfate
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:41am
  Seriously? Do you not know the history of your own faith?
  
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- Witness1974
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 11:37am
  Jaded: Yes I do know the history of MY faith. I am also very familiar with what scripture teaches. It clearly condemns oppressors. But we may be talking about two different things. If you are asking me to defend “churchianity” I won’t. However if you want to discuss the early church and the fact that prior to Christianity women were treated as mere chattle and the fact that women play a very prominent role in the New Testament beginnnings of the church, then I am open to that. Apparently you beleive in the mythical stereotypes perpetuated by the media.
  
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- sinajudge
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 6:27pm
  @Jadedfate: How can you criticize someone by saying they don’t know the history of their own faith when you clearly don’t know it yourself! Denying the large quantity of archaeological evidence for the Bible is clear ignorance. Where are you getting your information. Does the Merneptah Stele mean nothing? Did the Hyksos never exist? In fact we had to use archaeology to discover the identity of the Pharaohs of the exodus and enslavement since they are not given in the Bible (which the scribes did on purpose to spite those rulers.) This is why there are so many misconceptions about the Bible. People have become so closed minded and try to write it off without actually doing research.
  
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Cryinthewilderness
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:37am
Time to divide this country. Mason-Dixion line north will be liberals and you can have Calif. South will be the conservative, Bible believing, gun toten, constitution supports. AND DO NOT CALL US FOR MONEY.

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- ImMadAsHell
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:49am
  I second that !!!!!! and Third & fourth
  
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- Hilliary2016
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:59am
  OMG are you for real, already tried and lost..
  
  Remember that whole slavery thing and subsequent cival war…
  
  Get over it you lost the presidental election.
  
  Oh yeah with attitudes like that prepare to lose the next one as well
  
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- BossHog36
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:02am
  Don’t count all of the north out. There are some good folks up in here in MT/ID/WY region….
  
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- Jadedfate
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:06am
  And where do those of us that are Constitution believing, gun loving, mythology disbelieving types supposed to go? Religious nuts don’t have a monopoly on liberty and the Constitution. Not everyone is blinded by belief in invisible sky people and not all of those people are liberal.
- bigpew
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:31am
  Jaded, there is only one answer separation from God, eternity of regret, no love. Sounds like hell. Not by my choice but by yours. Please don’t call me names I’m not the one who said it I just know it to be true. You must believe to be saved. Christianity is not oppressive either. It only shows the way. You are free under Christ to do what you want. If the life you live is what you want then that is all you will have. No one comes to the Father except through Christ. Again not my words I just know it to be true.
  
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- catty
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 11:00am
  Are you aware that the south is the poorest portion of the country? They are calling everyone else for money.
  
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- Sosorryforyou
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 11:30am
  Poorest, least educated and least productive part of the Country. Good luck with that.
  
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- Oldmantex
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 12:04pm
  RIGHT Texas is just a barren waist land right?? I mean only 450K people from other states have moved here in the last 4 yrs. Must be all that poverty and ignorance that makes our economy thrive. I guess you consider all the people moving here from up North to be morons and idiots. Well if they are hard working freedom loving men and women, send them on down. We wont judge like yall apparently do.
  
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- Lloyd Drako
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 4:24pm
  CryintheWilderness: You spelled “totem” wrong. “Gun totem” was surely what you meant to say, because that is how guns function in certain parts of the country.
  
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Ms Moommist
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:31am
Don’t give up on the Catholic population in the NE, they will wake up and are!

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AtTheReady
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:55am
Don’t give up on the remnant in the North! There are true believers here with me, and we need your prayers for both Spiritual and Political awakening in our region!

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- Melva Flicker
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:06am
  Amen here in northern Maine
  
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- YOURSENSEI
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:56am
  This is what you must know:
  
  All Bible thumpers are remnants.
  
  It is so.
- title_of_liberty
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:58am
  Amen from southern Maine.
  
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- mewnani
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 12:50pm
  @Mr. Sensei
  
  All liberals are fools.
  
  It is so.
  
  Seriously stop judging people you don’t even know. You don’t know who they are so why judge them? Saying my kind are remnants of an obsolete society is a false and arrogant statement, just like me saying all your kind are fools.
  
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SamIamTwo
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:36am
It makes no difference to me…really who are you going to share the good news with if you flock together like a bunch of scared rabbits? IIRC that’s not the great commission. And if you are trained up, it’s more fun to share the gospel with those who believe they are atheists. No such animal as an atheist…and soon they realize they are agnostic…they then move one step closer to Jesus.

Atheist lie to avoid that logical thought process…and they pretend to have absolute knowledge of the infinite. Finite minds can not and will never have infinite knowledge that God only possesses. That void to have that kind of knowledge was created by God so you would seek and know God. Keep searching and seeking…He is sure to reveal Himself to you….for that is his will and hope for you.

GodSpeed!

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- DeavonReye
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:38am
  I can’t think of any atheist who ever stated that they had an “absolute knowledge”. They see no reason to believe a claim, so may find themselves having a strong atheism stance, . . . which means that it is SO highly unlikely [based upon all given information] that it is about as true [atheism] as you can get.
  
  I am an agnostic, personally.
  
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- God_Is_Not
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 11:26am
  Using that logic, the entire human population is agnostic. Obviously no one has infinite knowledge and I’m unaware of anyone who has claimed such knowledge. In some sense I agree with ubiquitous agnosticism in regard to knowledge. When it comes to belief however, you have theist and atheist simply reject this belief.
  
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- DeavonReye
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 11:39am
  Agnosticism would be a decent default. No one can truly KNOW. Even the most devout faith person can be completely wrong in his/her claim. I decided that I had to be an agnostic because I simply had no reason TO be anything else. My past “faith” was based upon authority figures telling me that “their faith was the only true one”. They are free to hold those claims, but they are empty to me [and many others]. For me, there wasn’t any translation to reality in it. Just a bunch of people agreeing with a pastor standing in front of them.
  
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momrules
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:35am
Charlie Rangel recently said that they need to change the culture of the South. Well, you will not. We still love God in this part of America. We are the *bitter clingers* clinging to our God, our guns and our Bibles.
Of course the liberals/communists love to hate us. We will be very hard to overcome.

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700P
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:07am
And look where crime and mass shootings occur. Coincidence?

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- MittensKittens
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:14am
  I now realize why I was drawn to the Knoxville area…Yeah for me!
  
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DougHuffman
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:06am
Good people are armed with wits, guns and the Truth. God Bless Bitter Clingers, damn progressives, know-nothings. MOLON LABE Lord of Flies.

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hi
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:02am
I gotta get outta here! No wonder I am a square peg. Geez and my kid is applying to all of those colleges in the non-Bible 70-100. She will never find a good husband.

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- MMSands
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:42am
  Now now. Can’t we all just get along?
  
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- YOURSENSEI
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:57am
  Mr or Ms HI,
  
  This is what you must know:
  
  Christians divorce at a higher rate than atheists.
  
  It is so.
- fullblownjackass
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:40am
  evangelicals have among the lowest divorce rates (26%) and people of non-Christian denominations have the highest rates (38%). Agnostics and atheists are within the statistical margin of error of the national average of approximately 33% divorce rate. However, far fewer agnostics and atheists (65%) marry than the national average (74%). “Born again” Christians average a 78% marriage rate, the highest in that poll.
  The surveys clearly show that those who read the Bible seriously and without compromise put their faith as a much higher priority in their lives. As a result, they lead very different lives, to include some of the lowest divorce rates in the country, well below the atheists, agnostics, and general public. Interestingly, those who profess faith in Jesus Christ but not in what the Bible teaches appear little different than the rest of the world.
  
  When one looks at the data, you almost have to marvel at the chutzpah of the mockers. Not only does an honest look at the surveys vindicate biblical Christianity, it reveals the depressing picture of atheists and agnostics.
  
  Yoursensei is wrong again
  It is so
  
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- JulieU
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 11:10am
  Yoursense – you said Christian divorce rate is higher than atheist divorce rates.
  Have you ever considered looking at ALL of the facts? Taking a fact out of context gives you a lie.
  Atheists are more likely to not bother to get married – they don’t become a divorce statistic when they separate.
  
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- Sosorryforyou
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 11:23am
  While most Bible-minded people come from Red states, the highest percentage of divorces also happen in Red states. Go figure.
  
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libertarianchristian
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:01am
sure virginia is still culturally southern but its also houses so many govt employees that it is inflicted with govt cancer that sometimes makes it act in strange ways…

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- watashbuddyfriend
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:17am
  Amen, Lib, and VA has become like CA.
  
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- From Virginia
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:01am
  Biggest problem in Virginia is Maryland. O’Malley has taxed the very air the Mary-landers breathe so they flock south to Virginia – bringing their politics and voting patterns with them.
  
  I almost wish there was a law that if you vote to screw up your state you have to stay and live with your decision.
  
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RealLiibertarian
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:00am
I find it very interesting, that a news outlet and it’s associated comments board, one that claims to be a great supporter of freedom, runs so many stories trashing people who believe in the freedom not to be Christian. True libertarians don’t care what religion you are, or how or if you practice it at all.

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- Xyskalla
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:31am
  You misunderstand. We support a person’s right to disagree with us. But we will say something if we think you’re wrong. What’s wrong with that? Of course, you can’t tell us what’s wrong with that without being guilty of doing the very thing you’re criticizing us for ;)
  
  God doesn’t care if you’re Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, or something else. But He does care about Truth. Jesus is the Truth–He said “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but by Me.” He is God’s only Way. I hope you make it there.
  
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- bertr
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:41am
  Name some of the Aethiest organzations in this coutry encouraging morallity and not fighting religious institutions doing so and you may even find the blaze willing to talk about those in a positive fashion.
  Moral decay is one of the biggest threats to freedom we face, and religion, for all the faults its assigned, is one of the few institutions that still places importance in teaching morality.
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:55am
  @BERTR
  
  What morality is that? Teaching that everyone who disagrees with you is going to get tortured forever by a “loving God”
  
  What morality is that? Teaching that a human sacrifice was necessary on your behalf because you were born “sinful?”
  
  What morality is that? Teaching that when a mob comes to rape a set of angels, offer up your daughters instead?
  
  What morality is that? When you drink so much you fall asleep naked, and your sons walks in on you, you place a curse on him?
  
  What morality is that? That you should worship a supernatural being so much that you should honor a man who was willing to murder his son in order to please him?
- Zipit
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:21am
  Mod! That was about the stupidest post I’ve ever read!
  
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- Jadedfate
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:12am
  I agree with you completely. And these message boards are just filled with hatred. Not sure why so many people think that religion and conservatism have to be hand in hand. I’m extremely conservative as far as the Constitution goes, but I do believe in liberty for everyone, gays included. This message board is just filled with religious nuts.
  
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- DeavonReye
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:23am
  Instead of saying “the post was stupid”, refute the claims if you are able. That is the mature thing to do.
  
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- Jadedfate
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:31am
  XYSIlla I don’t mind if you disagree with me at all…in fact, I love debate…but when it becomes borderline hateful, then that’s where I have an issue. Hatred for someone different than you is disgusting. Even your own bible says to love everyone, even those you disagree with. Yet so many here don’t seem to recall that part.
  
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- Witness1974
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 12:04pm
  Moderationisbest?
  What morality is that? Teaching that everyone who disagrees with you is going to get tortured forever by a “loving God”
  The Bible teaches that those who reject their Creator, their King, will be excluded from His presence.
  
  What morality is that? Teaching that a human sacrifice was necessary on your behalf because you were born “sinful?”
  Animal sacrifice was instituted by God in the Garden as a type of Christ. I am not sure why except that He had laid down the precept that sin carries with it the penalty of death. I am sure that part of what he was teaching is that sin is horrible and it leads to more horror. Jesus was human, but He was also God. So you damn Him with faint praise by calling his willing sacrifice “human sacrifice.” In the Garden and on the cross God provided the sacrifice to show that man’s efforts do not satisfy divine justice.
  What morality is that? Teaching that when a mob comes to rape a set of angels, offer up your daughters instead?
  You are charging the Bible with teaching something that it doesn’t. Lot was a flawed man. What you refer to is merely an account of what Lot did.
  What morality is that? When you drink so much you fall asleep naked, and your sons walks in on you, you place a curse on him?
  Again, an account, not a teaching.
  
  What morality is that? That you should worship a supernatural being so much that you should honor a man who was willing to murder his son in order t
  
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- Witness1974
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 12:21pm
  Moderationisbest?
  What morality is that? That you should worship a supernatural being so much that you should honor a man who was willing to murder his son in order to please him?
  Abraham knew the character of God. He had faith that God knew what he was asking and since God was his Creator, and King, wise, righteous, loving, and good (infinitely and perfectly so) he knew he could trust his maker with the life of his son. What does he say to Isaac as the climbed the hill? “My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both together” (Genesis 22:8). Abraham trusted God and Isaac trusted his father so much that he carried the wood on his back for the sacrifice and went voluntarily. This is a picture of Christ who would bear the wood of his own sacrifice thousands of years later, likely on the same hill.
  
  As you point out, there is much conduct of the characters of the Bible that is immoral. It is one of the interesting things about it. It spares no one. It gives an accurate picture of the sinfulness of even the most revered of “heroes of the faith.” Abraham lied to save his own skin. Jacob was a schemer. David comitted adultery and conspired to murder Bathsheba’s husband. Jonah was stiff-necked and disobedient. All I can say is thank God for his mercy on sinners like me.
  
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- DeavonReye
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 12:26pm
  Thanks for the reply, Witness. I disagree with it, but at least it wasn’t just a “one liner” attack.
  
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- Zipit
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:33pm
  Sorry I got your goat on that one DEAV! Perhaps “inane” would have been a better word to use describing MODS post! Whether you see it as an attack or not, it was simply my opinion. Witness is extremely knowledgable and did a great job refuting the post almost line by line. I chose not to reply in that manner! I chose as I see it, an accurate one line response to what some might have seen as an attack on intelligence!
  
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- DeavonReye
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 2:10pm
  I disagree with the points brought up. I will sum up…
  
  I do not reject any “creator”. I can reject the claim offered THAT one exists and who rewards credulity. So, in my honest and sincere understanding of the world, I see nothing “god like” in the mix. To be tortured for my honesty [if that doctrine is true, and I don't believe it is for a second], may be the “end of the path” I lead, but it will be walked with dignity that I did as I saw as truth. Not merely a “faith because others claim it to be ‘true’…”.
  
  Sacrifice, regardless of reason, is not at all ethical. Regardless, killing something innocent to pay for sin seems FAR more human in origin, especially considering WHEN such a requirement was made.
  
  Lot was considered righteous, even after offering up his daughters. They later slept with him on two consecutive nights [after getting him drunk] and gave birth to two conflicting [against Israel] races. As FOR “offering his daughters”, that is far more heinous than the mob.
  
  I don’t have an opinion on the “cursing the son who saw his son naked”.
  
  There is more to the Abraham and Isaiac story than “just believing god would supply the offering”. God never said such a thing. But more than that, to Abraham, it was in his god’s character TO ask for a sacrifice of his son. And again, more of the same “death and blood” ideologies that were common in many of the ancient pagan religions.
  
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- hatchetjob
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 3:50pm
  DEAVONREYE, I’ve been reading the comments here and just wondering how old you are, I’m just curious. I’m 55. Through my years (I’ve been through a lot) I’ve slowly realized that life on this earth is quick, and that the physical body isn’t as important as the spiritual. Probably in 100 years from now, you and I will be dead. I’m not sure why I needed to say this, anyway, have a good day.
  
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- DeavonReye
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 4:34pm
  Hatchetjob, . . . yes, everyone will be put in the ground in an unfortunately short period of time. Life goes by WAY too quick, . . . but it is what it is. The inevitibility and finality isn’t something to look forward to, . . . but having said that, . . . in the year 1865, I didn’t exist. I wasn’t put out by it in the slightest.
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 7:09pm
  @WITNESS1974
  
  Lot was deemed worthy of being saved from Sodom and Gommorrah no?
  
  Your all knowing God knew he would offer up his daughters to be raped, yet still deemed him worthy?
  
  I always love the “Abraham knew God and loved God, and God stopped him.” He was still willing to do it!
  
  What about the story of the guy who offered up “the next person who walks out my door” to win a victory in battle. God helped him win the battle…..and his daughter walked out the door.
  
  Being an “all knowing” God, your God knew his daughter would come out.
  
  I love how you people twist and contort the “infallible” book….when it doesn’t suit your.
  
  Suddenly, literalism is metaphor and people who are deemed worthy….are flawed.
  
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- Witness1974
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 2:18am
  Moderation: I can see that you didn’t understand a thing I said to you. At this point I must confess I don’t really understand what you are saying either. I can only say that if you think God judges on people on merit then, thank God you are wrong. God is not indebted to any of us and the finest works a man can do do not indebt Him to us. I will say it again: Abraham was a sinner; he was saved by faith, by believing God. Lot likewise is declared a righteous man in the book of Hebrews, not based on his conduct; a child could see that. God never instructed him to offer up his daughters, and he brought catastrophe to entire nations because of his drunkeness and incest. Lot was declared righteous because of his faith, but his faith did not make him any less a sinner. Christ came into the world to save sinners; that is all He has to work with. You are a sinner. I am a sinner. Everyone on the globe at this time are sinners, and we all need the grace and mercy of God. Your problem, I think, boils down to this: You need to understand who God is, what He needs to be in order to be God. I recommend to you a difficult book: The Existence and Attributes of God by Stephen Charnock, or read the book of John which is not a difficult book. It is written by the Holy Spirit and He is willing to teach it to you if you want to be taught. Meanwhile, if you believe that there is no God, chill. Go on your merry way. Why are you trying so hard to prove a negative?
  
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- DeavonReye
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 9:38am
  So, it would SEEM that this god really doesn’t care about what people do. . . . as long as they serve him in the mean time. Got it.
  
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- Witness1974
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 4:30pm
  Deavon: Up until now I have given you credit for being a reasonable, thoughtful person. Your last comment gives me pause. That is not at all what I’m saying. Sin carries with it terrible consequences for the one who sins and for those around who are inevitably affected by it. Martin Luther King said, “Sin is separation.” You can see it in action in Genesis 3. Of course God cares what we do; He is righteous. What I am saying is that despite what we do, there is forgiveness to be had. It is a divine forgiveness deserved by no one. Again, your thinking about God is erroneous because you insist on mischaracterizing Him. One thing I have come to know about you from reading your many posts is that you are obsessed with the idea of God. Like a lot of atheist/agnostics, you seem to be more angry at Him than unbelieving. I have a very dear friend that is the same way. I have prayed for you more than once, but now everytime I pray for my friend, I will pray for you, that you and your Creator will be reconciled, that you will find peace in Him, and that you will put your faith in the only mediator between God and man, the God/Man, Christ Jesus. Why don’t you do a serious study on Christ. Start with the book of John. Look at the character of Christ and you will see the character of God.
  
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HOOT_OWL
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 7:48am
Cue the ungodly ‘intolerant ‘ comments about our God ,Our Bible and Our Faith.

I almost want to laugh at the scoffers and mockers ,when the try to point out how a ‘story about a Christian’ that ‘sins’ in some fashion. Like we are immune to it in some way. They don’t seem to grasp that followers of Christ are Satan’s prize when they fall. Why would Satan bother with the blind fools that unknowingly follow him and do his work..

That would be like Our president punishing the independents, that didn’t vote in last election. Because they couldn’t choose a side.

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- momrules
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:41am
  It is kind of funny to hear a member of the ungodly try to tell Christians how we should behave. The last people I take instruction from regarding the Bible or how a Christian should behave are atheists.
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:50am
  As this article correctly states, “Naturally, one wonders what, exactly, it means to be “Bible-minded.” After all, there are a plethora of indicators, with different people holding divergent ideas about how the book should be read and processed.”
  
  Yet everyone claims divinity behind their own interpretation of the Bible.
  
  So much for an infallible book.
  
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- DeavonReye
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:06am
  Exactly, Moderation. For any TRULY inspired and infallible book would produce only one denomination. It would be plain to see. There would be no “doctrinal fights”. Perfection wouldn’t allow it.
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:35am
  There are a few denominations, but not 1-2 billion denominations.
  
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- Jadedfate
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:36am
  The issue I have with the “faithful”, aside from the refusal to acknowledge facts at times, is that they are hypocritical about so much. They claim to follow a religion of love, and then hate anyone that is different than they are. They try to force their beliefs on others via laws as well. Believe anything you want. That doesn’t bother me at all. I enjoy adult discussions on faith vs science. If everyone agreed with me, it would be rather boring, so that’s great that you do. But to shout so much hatred is just disgusting for someone that claims to follow a man that said to love everyone.
  
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- Zipit
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 12:09pm
  Thank you Jade for a complete and accurate description of Islam! And, lumping an entire religion into your definition of “faithful” isn’t exactly the “mature” thing to do, is it?
  
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- Jadedfate
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 1:57pm
  Zipit, many Christians are the exact same way..they wish to infringe on the rights of others based off their religious views. Gay Marriage for instance. Because a book says it’s bad, they wish to infringe on the rights of others. Sorry, but the generalization is accurate for many on this site that post nothing but hatred.
  
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- Zipit
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 2:38pm
  So J! If I did not agree with your notion that gay marriage is a right, then you would categorize my opinion as hate?
  
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Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 7:48am
That explains why New England went from being the Birth Place of Patriotism to the Hot Bed of Communism.

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- encinom
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:08am
  Also explains the bigotry and ingorance of the South.
- watashbuddyfriend
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:20am
  @encinom
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:08am
  
  “Also explains the bigotry and ingorance of the South.”
  
  Somehow, encinom, you have missed the point! I wonder why?
  
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- RIGHTHOOK
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:22am
  Enc -The “bigotry and ignorance” is clearly entrenched in the WH pal………
  
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- DoseofReality
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:25am
  So why is new England safer than the bible belt? Also less abortions and single teen mothers…..figure that one out.
  
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- Bootlegger97
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:41am
  There goes Encinom, being hateful and intolerant again.
  
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- Sosorryforyou
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:50am
  New England states also have a higher-educated populace and higher literacy rates. And, if you consider divorce to be a product of low morality, which many conservatives do, the Red states hold a majority in divorce rates too.
  
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- IMO888
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 12:34pm
  Can someone give examples of intolerance? That word gets thrown around so much that I’d really like to know what people think it means.
  
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- Clownzilla
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 12:50pm
  @Encinom
  
  You are claiming bigotry and ignorance of the south when in the same sentence you being a bigot and ignorant by blanketing an entire region as the same type of people. That is classic Encinom right there!
  
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Thighmaster
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 7:35am
Wasn’t it in the northeast where they had all those shootings ? Coincidence ?

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- Gonzo
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 7:49am
  Virginia is still considered the South. I don’t really think it is culturally Southern anymore though.
  
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- Xyskalla
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:24am
  Several years ago, I moved from Ohio to northern Virginia (less than an hour west of D.C.). Culturally, it’s definitely northern. People tell me that southern Virginia is still culturally southern, but I haven’t been there, so I don’t know for sure.
  
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- WillG
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:47am
  Yes Gonzo only SW Va. will you find traditional southern culture.
  
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- Sosorryforyou
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:38am
  “all those shooting?” like the one in Arizona, the one in Colorado, the one in Texas, the one in Georgia, the one in Oregon, the one in Wisconsin, to name just a few. If my recollection serves me well, the Northeast has hasn’t had as many recent mass shootings as other parts of the country have.
  
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- Thighmaster
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:01am
  So sorry sosorry, while you may lump the Sandy Hook shootings into one shooting I see them as individual shootings as I’m sure their loved ones do. While you see it as one shooting I see it as many, thus, “all those shootings”
  
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- Sosorryforyou
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 10:10am
  Okay, Thighmaster. What’s your point? You see all those killed in the mass shooting in NewTown as individual shootings? Well, then why can’t you see all those killed in the mass shootings in the States that I mentioned as individual shootings. My point is that the Northeast has not been the sight of recent mass shootings any more than the States that I mentioned, and has, in my memory, see fewer recent mass shootings than most places in the US. Maybe I’m missing your point, but it seems to me like you were trying to paint the Northeast as THE PLACE where these types of shootings happen the most, and that just isn’t true.
  
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DonaldH
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 7:23am
Most Churches per mile and per population– Saint Albans, West Virginia

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- toiletclogga
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 7:36am
  West “By God” Virginia!
  
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