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Vermont Gun Range Bans Police Officers From Facility Over Proposed City-Wide Ban on Semi-Automatic Rifles

Jan. 28, 2013 7:20pm Jason Howerton

A Vermont gun range has banned the Burlington Police Department from using its facility after City Council voted to advance a proposed ban on semi-automatic weapons and high-capacity magazines. And given the fact that such facilities are limited in the area, the move could impact when and where officers can go target shooting.

Officials with the Lamoille Valley Fish and Game Club told Fox News that it is hard for the facility to support the city, which includes police officers, due to the attempted gun grab by City Council.

“We have members in Burlington as well as members of our club that are going to be passing through Burlington and this would directly affect them and we felt that a prejudicial vote like that was going to be non-supportive of our club and being non-supportive of our club makes it very difficult to support Burlington City,” the club’s chairman Bob Boivin said.

“It is a constitutional issue. I mean, it’s not just a Second Amendment constitutional issue; but it’s also a constitutional issue for Vermont. We have laws that have the state governing our gun controls in this area and they’re looking to supersede those,” he added.

Responding to the gun range ban, the Burlington Police Department said in a statement: “It is unfortunate that this important and much-needed community dialogue regarding gun control currently under way in the City of Burlington and across the nation has resulted in this action.”

Burlington City Councilman defended the proposed assault rifle ban, saying in the absence of federal legislation or state law, the city feels the measures are needed “to protect our citizens.”

In addition to the introduced city ordinance being unconstitutional, Bovin says city-by-city gun laws would create problems for gun owners.

“If you’re going to a shoot, say in one end of Vermont to the other, you have to check the laws for every town in between, and you will pass through a half a dozen different towns, and that makes it almost impossible for someone to stay as a legal gun owner, and that’s what we’re concerned about,” he explained.

“The Burlington City Council’s proposal to ban certain assault weapons is far from being implemented. City voters would get a say in 2014. Then the measure would require approval by the Vermont legislature. Finally, if it does become law, it’s likely to face a constitutional challenge from gun-rights advocates,” Fox News reports.

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BlackCrow
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:52pm
Everything north of Richmond Virginia is lost. Your only hope is to move south as soon as possible.

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- zombieocracy
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:03pm
  Come on down toTexas
  
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- joan k
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:16pm
  I am trying to move ASAP… but I got a house to sell in order to do so. If you know any liberals in the south you wish to transport back north… let me know. Too many people are leaving my area here in NY never to come back again!
  
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- banjarmon
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:21pm
  Liberal, noun A person so open minded that their brain fell out!
  
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- demsrtraitors
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:05pm
  please leave all traitorous liberals up north.
  
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- Independent4233
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:31pm
  “The Burlington City Council’s proposal to ban certain assault weapons is far from being implemented.”
  
  Assault weapons weren’t even used in any crimes in their area, yet the dorks on the council say it will make their city safer to ban them. How utterly stupid to claim something like that. Like everything else about these pitiful morons they engage in following the lemmings over a cliff, because it sounds good to do so.
  
  People who are nutty and jump up to support goofy trends have a collective mental disorder described in France as a “shared madness,” which means what they engage in or support makes no sense.
  
  The people involved in the Manson murders and the people who drank the kool aid in Jonestown all had a “shared madness.”
  
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- nzkiwi
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:32pm
  @ Joan
  
  It seems that even New Yorkers are not taking this abomination meekly.
  
  http://www.examiner.com/article/n-y-gun-owners-vow-to-defy-new-gun-laws
  
  It seems that New York democrats were secretly planning eventual confiscation, but were found out.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 11:30pm
  Actions like this prove gun nuts are not about law and order, nor are they patriots. They are just cowardly, spitful confederates, may the shooting range be put out of business.
  
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- MisterSarcastic
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 12:48am
  @Joan
  You’re welcomed anytime and yes, I have 50 or 60 bus loads of ‘Yankee’ liberals I’d love to send back. We have lots of water and the developers advertised our area as a retirement destination and it worked. They’ve pretty much ruined our community.
  
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- motherboard
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 12:50am
  Aeed. exdoda BOTH need re-enforced.
  
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- henryKnox
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 12:55am
  Progressives are so stupid and they are cowards. They are afraid to take on the criminals that commit the gun crimes so they go after law abiding citizens. The law abiding citizens are a much softer target for the cowards. We need to use the law to make them regret turning on their Constitution and commiting treason against their country.
  
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- RoguePO
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 1:01am
  PA is still holding for now.
  
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- AUsername
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 5:13am
  I wonder how long New Hampshire will holds its freedom for.
  
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- HOLYSMOKES
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 6:55am
  No, no, leave them up there. They voted for the things and people that have ruined their states. If they move to your town they will vote for the same liberal policies that made them move in the first place. Liberals remind me of locusts
  
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- DeOppressoLiber
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 6:59am
  We need to hear from police officers what do yo think?
  
  I have talked to LE officers that I train with and all of them are against it, however most of police officers do not like to train for their job and they are for all kinds of Gun Control, some even want Japan like controls. They told me that most police are not really in touch with what they might have to do when they strap on a gun and go to work. He said most do not like to think that they might have to shoot someone and if they do the legal system might get them. So he says to them Gun Control just makes their job easier.
  
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- foxdogs
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 7:11am
  But if you do move, do not bring your liberal/progressive politics with you.
  
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- AGreyGhost
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:20am
  Paraphrasing Moses “Let those people go”
  
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- WilliamORights
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 9:46am
  The entire good ol’ USofA is lost. You must leave this country before they no longer allow you out.It is almost urgent. Extrapolate out 5 and 10 years. It is very ugly. Read about what happened to people with property and savings in Southern Africa. They (Homeland Security forces) will come to your home at 3 am, knock down the door and you and your family will never be seen again. If you are unlucky you will wind up in Guantanemo. “The ploblem with a slippery slope is the return journey.”
  
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- Jim in Houston
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 10:27am
  zombieocracy: We don’t want them if they bring their liberal BS with them.
  
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- iampraying4u
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 11:35am
  What part of lnfringed dont they understand
  
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- Rogue
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 11:52am
  @ Holy – you are 100% correct. I live in Colorado, once a proud red state. In the past 10+ years, we’ve been overrun by liberal locusts fleeing their former states, only to come here and implement the same idiotic policies. They’ve nearly completed the shift to dark blue around here, at which point, the swarm will move elsewhere, leaving us natives to suffer the consequences.
  
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- I support God's Israel!
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 11:54am
  You cannot get away from NEW YORK! ASK RUSH LIMBAUGH. They will follow you for the rest of your life looking for the taxes they could have had if you had stayed there. NEW YORK. STATE FOR THE CROOKED POLITICIANS.
  
  NEW YORK IS FULL OF ZOMBIES AND THE WALKING DEAD (liberals).
  
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- I support God's Israel!
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 11:59am
  @nzkiwi:
  I STAND WITH THEIR CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE. And SOON, very soon, THERE WILL BE A NATIONAL CIVIL WAR. I do believe true patriotic Americans are getting sick and tired of the left telling them what they can and cannot do; what they can and cannot have.
  
  I WILL NOT COMPLY AND SOON THEY WILL HAVE A CIVIL WAR ON THEIR HANDS and no one will be able to save them.
  
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- Sgt_Rock
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:24am
  @DeOppressoLiber – “We need to hear from police officers what do yo think?”
  
  I’ll answer that…I will agree with your friend on a couple of accounts and disagree on others: Most line cops outside of the big cities are vehemently against gun control of any type. A some big city cops feel the same way, but others see firearms as a tool and have no other interest in their use beyond work and don’t care for them otherwise. Others are active in training outside work, are on specialty units and/or are competitive enough to spend additional range time to get the “distinguished expert” shooting badge. SWAT guys are expected to maintain a 90% proficiency level on our agency, and a lot of line officers set that as a goal. A lot of the attitude depends on the culture within the agency. If they have a high speed firearms cadre, the troops generally have a positive attitude toward shooting/training. If all they care about is getting everyone through the periodical quals, that will be recognized by the troops and some will just go through the motions.
  We are a medium sized municipal department in a fairly liberal western state. 2/3 of the cops are hunters and recreational shooters, the other third are not “gun folks” but I can say without reservation that 99% of the department is pro 2nd amendment. In a recent meeting we agreed we would have no part of any confiscation. We made that clear to our admin. So far our local Sheriff’s Dept. has not made that commitment. RLTW
  
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- Junter
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 4:55am
  They are violating our 2nd amendment right. Watch as our rights continue to be whittled away to nothing.
  
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sandrunner
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:46pm
The police will have to choose between bad law that exceeds corruption or choose the constitution.

The police better pick the latter or there will be hell to pay. Because Law abiding citizens will not tolerate corruption from our politicians.

When ever a politician attempts to under mind the constitution, that tells me that politician is corrupted in some way or form of legality to protect his or hers interest.

It is only logical that these attempts on the constitution are for Corrupt and Evil intentions.

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- ledbythnose
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:57pm
  Bravo!!
  
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- nzkiwi
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:20pm
  The reporter states that there are many stages to go through and several years to wait before the ban becomes law – if indeed it ever would.
  
  That is not the point. If Americans want to send Mr Obama and his fellow travellers a message, then the response needs to be immediate, emphatic, and telling. Any demur, any willingness to “discuss the issue” will be taken as a sign of weakness and will only encourage the bastards.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 11:44pm
  The job of the police is to enforce the law. The Constitution mentions the word “WELL REGULATED” in connection with the 2nd Amendment. The police are not judges, its not their job to weigh the nuances of constitutional law.
  
  But gun nuts care little about the law, or fellow citizens, they call for attacking fellow citizens doing their jobs.
  
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- mastice
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 2:39am
  @encinom
  
  OK, who let the basement door open again?
  
  You are picking and choosing what words to follow within the 2nd Amendment Encinom. The whole amendment states that “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
  
  Furthermore – the Supreme Court (who upheld the Affordable Care Act – which you agreed with) ruled in 2007, when it struck down Washington DCs ban on handguns, that “The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.”
  
  So SCOTUS set the precedent in 2007 with it’s opinion as such. Your argument is over.
  
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- mastice
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 3:13am
  Correction: SCOTUS ruled on DC v. Heller in 2008. The case was reaffirmed with McDonald v. Chicago when SCOTUS cleared up the confusion from DC v. Heller. (it was argued that in DC v. Heller SCOTUS only meant federal enclaves and not states – in McDonald v. Chicago SCOTUS clearly defined that the 2nd Amendment applies to the states with “full force”)
  
  Do your homework next time Encinom.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:09am
  Glad you brought up Heller, the decision struck down total bans, but left the door open for regulations. Since nobody is proposing total bands, the various gun control laws are on firm legal footings.
  
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- Zipit
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 9:03am
  @ENCINOM! You know what pal? The truth does hurt….. And the truth is, that by the time any of your idiotic ideas, fantasies, wishes, or hopes gain any traction whatsoever, us GUN NUTS will be so well armed, that you, and all of your anti 2nd amendment loser friends, will be powerless to do anything about it!!!! As if it weren’t that way now! Have a tortured day!!! Loser……
  
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- shandog
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 10:22am
  Sandrunner: ” Because Law abiding citizens will not tolerate corruption from our politicians.”
  Really? Then how did we get this bad? I think people put up with it far too often..we will be lucky if enough of them wake up in time to see what is really going on.
  That said, I feel for the LEO’s..I’m sure not all of them are for gun control. The range, by doing this, is punishing men that need to practice to keep themselves safe on the job. I have a lot of friends that are LEO’s and prison guards..they are required to do a lot of training to be certified. They do not believe in ANY kind of gun control. They wish more citizens would arm themselves responsibly…that is what truly would make their jobs easier. Of course, most of my friends are Paul supporters and firm believers of the true intent of the 2nd amendment. Shall not be infringed. Molon Labe!
  
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theBru
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:45pm
I guess being so close to the folks in NY, it is starting to rub off…good luck, and KUDOS to the range folks, the libs always want to boycott things, let’s start using their own tactics on them!!!

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- 700P
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:00pm
  Live Free or Die….more than just a license plate slogan
  
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- 13th Imam
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:42pm
  Live Free or Die is on the New Hampshire license plate. Vermont is full of NYC socialists who buy ski houses.
  
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- henryKnox
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 12:57am
  They think it is so much fun to use mob rule on fellow citizens when they have a majority. Well, I hope to be around when we have a majority and we finally decide to give them some of their own medicine. If they think they can grab our guns then perhaps we can make abortion illegal when we have the majority and we won’t listen to their complaints just like they are ignoring ours.
  
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myptofvu
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:45pm
So they will just raise the taxes to build a firing range just for the Police to use.

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nighttrainno9
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:43pm
The police in our state are pretty much with the citizens, one police
leiutenant did a radio interview and said only about 1/3 of the officers
he had contact with would go fed. I hope he is correct, when it comes
down we will need every gun we’ve got and I know the feds are ready,
I just can’t believe there are that many feds wanting to commit suicide.
There is going to be a ton of bodies from both sides and while we, the citizens
are fighting for our constitution, the feds are just fighting for their
paycheck already admiting they are slaves. Thats real IQ.

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Liberalismsamentaldisorder
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:25pm
OK people. One more time. A semi-automatic is NOT an assault weapon. Real assault weapons are selectable fire and auto-loading, (a.k.a. machine guns) and are already virtually banned.

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- kenboo1
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:39pm
  Well the idiocy of the left only compounds the problem. The city bans these guns to make it safer… So now, like Chicago, the legal guns are fewer and criminals stand a better chance of entering homes and causing mayhem… So like Chicago, is it really safer???
  
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- Darkvista
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:51pm
  Again with the saying something over and over as if that makes it true, I think it to wear us down, I get tired of explaining it over and over.
  
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- TreeTrimmerJim
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:44pm
  “The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one.” ~ Adolf Hitler
  
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Uechi
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:18pm
I moved from the Northeast in 1978. I currently live in Florida. If something happens to change the pro gun/pro consitution atmosphere on Florida I will have no problem moving again.

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- oldguy49
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:31pm
  i live in florida also and believe in the constution and not liberals trying to change it…i will turn in my guns if commanded to but it will be bullets first………
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:49pm
  What OldGuy said. In spades-
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:07pm
  I hear you guys and I used to do a lot of shooting when I lived in Florida. But, when I retired I settled back down in Alabama in a rural area. I can walk out either the front door or back and start shooting…..legally, but I also always do so responsibly.
  
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- Verceofreason
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:48pm
  Nobody wants your guns.
  What fools and tools you are buying the nonsense the NRA sells.
  Do YOU own an assault weapon and if so, why?
  If not, and you have a license, you have no problem.You folks seem to just feed each other’s paranoia.
  Now off to yer FEMA trailers!
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 11:17am
  Verce you cannot define what an assault weapon is and is not, so aside from your snide inferences without any knowledge, you are more irrelevant to this topic that usual. Reason? How without knowledge?
  
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- I support God's Israel!
  Posted on January 29, 2013 at 11:56am
  @Fubared:
  YOU are another WALKING DEAD LIBERAL.
  
  An AR-15 IS NOT AN ASSAULT RIFLE. Get your facts straight idiot.
  
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tmedlin
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:12pm
This video is abut Obama’s plans for us…watch it even though it’s a little long.

http://youtu.be/kzT6X3_Bg9o

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- civilwarcometh
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:38pm
  Unless you have proof you will get in trouble with RJJ..
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:19pm
  CIVILWARCOMETH, I am just a couple of months shy of turning 60, retired from the Army not quite 17 years, and a former civilian police officer. If you think that I am incapable of seeing what is going on right now, then so be it. I saw this same crap and same reactions back during the Clinton Administrations. The world as we knew it was going to end then as well. In ’92 the Republican Party was pronounced dead by the MSM too. Didn’t quite go that way, but it was the Clinton admin that did give us the Brady Bill I & II. That didn’t last either. My one and only true point and suggestion to you is to take a logical view and understanding of what is really going on around us. I’m not saying to stick your head in the sand and hope that all goes well. Pay attention, stay in touch with those you trust, and do what is necessary. But, as I have said, some of the things, and I REPEAT, “SOME” OF THE THINGS you put out frames yourself as a bit of a crackpot. The rest of the things that you say and link to, tells me that you really aren’t. If you and I can’t discuss this as two adults, then go ahead and make an enemy of yourself to me. I really will not care if or when you do. But, do as you feel is necessary.
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:34pm
  Civil
  It really is a lot of salesmanship on that stuff. Supposition, inferences, I heard from someone that overheard from someone that had a sister whose cousin’s boyfriend was in the service in the upper echelons…. I was in 3 helo accidents before turning 20, and two were here on conus, that never got reported in the “media”. Stuff goes on daily right here and no one is the wiser. We have mout cities on most posts now, but for some reality US cities are used for a sense of realism, not just a vanilla mout mock-up where NG’s and reservists pop blanks as an opfor for “reality”. Joint efforts especially. I detest what uncle is doing right now on a lot of levels; to me they are just making stuff scarce, driving prices up, and ******* the average shooter off. Components are getting hard to find even. Try finding just 5.56 in bulk. This is part and parcel of the nefarious plan-dry it up just like Feinstein says. It’s working. Man, if we had a buck for every single conspiracy theory in the last decade alone, we could open our own peashooter manufacturing company. Let’s wait until something more concrete comes down the pike. This is just fodder for the whack job lefties to point out at every opportunity…We have people on either side right now doing the disinformation crap. It sells, it prods people to act in a certain way. Take care, take head, and take measures you have the right to, but some of this stuff cannot be verified for obvious reasons. Peace until-
  
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- civilwarcometh
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:37pm
  RJJ i don’t think your bad nor do i want to argue with you. But i’m no crackpot i’m not PC and maybe that’s what you see. I would be more than glad to fight next to you or work and live next to you. I don’t have a problem with you saying what you feel at all. i’m sure some on hear think i’m a crackpot and i bet some don’t as i’m sure not all agree with you either. We are all on the same side here….
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:50pm
  CIVILWARCOMETH, It would serve you well to pay attention to FUBARED and I am honestly trying to send some sensible advice in my opinion, in your direction. Tone it down some because you are focusing a magnifying glass upon yourself. I can’t make it any simpler than that. But, this is just advice, you go ahead and do as you wish. It after all is still a free country. And, BTW, good luck.
  
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Thundergod
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:08pm
What worries me is the silence from the elected officials of my state,with so many federal agencies in or backyard. I fear I’m in the containment zone with no way to escape and wont even see it coming.

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Conservative_in_VT
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:00pm
Vermont is really dictated by two cities. Burlington and Bennington. (aka the city that passed a city vote that if Bush or Cheney stepped foot in it they would be arrested, yet let very, very unattractive people walk around naked, but I digress).

Outside of these two heavily populated cities, the gun community is VERY strong. Even most Democrats here in the State legislature will not vote for gun bans. Though there are enough loonies to make it a threat. (as seen by the constant voting in of the Commie Bernie Sanders… who gets a pass from people here because at least he is an ‘honest’ commie).

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rexriley
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 7:56pm
Have the Green Mountain Boys become the Green Energy Girls?

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media-bias-steals-elections
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 7:54pm
We have a right to protect ourselves from city officials that want to infringe on our right to bear arms, keep in mind that not only will the police not be able to protect you, the US Army is not going to come running to the rescue in 10 minutes if the Chinese and their South American partners invade America because they think they can manage your property better then you can? They would love for you to disarm, wouldn’t they? Why doesn’t the media tell you about South America?

It’s time to cowboy up America, and stop being girly men?

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- oldguy49
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:38pm
  and don’t forget what admiral yamamoto told his superiors at the beginning of ww11 when asked about invading america………..no , because there would be a rifle gun behind every blade of grass………………what would have happened if that were not true
  
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- Lt_Scrounge
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 11:39pm
  Get to an Appleseed project near you. Information is available from the Rev War veterans association.
  
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chips1
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 7:53pm
I think TURKEY13 has the right idea. How hard can it be to just drive to another town to buy things? More and more cities are beginning to realize they elect nutcases.

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Stelex
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 7:45pm
Look folks, finding decent guns and ammo is getting harder and harder for the average American, the government is buying up ammo and assault riffles in mass quantity. Routinely conducting wargames over various suburban area’s and is viciously attacking anyone whom may disagree with Dear Leader.
The media is spinning everything, CBS had a guy on Sunday saying we should toss the Constitution. But WTF do I know.

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- ArchaicSEAL
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 7:57pm
  The government?! Hell have you seen the sales for ammo and firearms by the citizen public?! I applaud people buying up guns and making a statement, but the levels are just scarey. Even to a 2nd Amendment understanding and responsible firearms owner like myself.
  
  Yes the government is buying up ammo and guns. At a much larger rate than ever seen before. I agree with you. But compared to civilians in the past three years, it is just a drop in the bucket. And firearms aren’t “one use and discard” items (read: consumables.) So it isn’t like people are just using them up and replacing them. They are out there. They will ALWAYS be out there (short of outright confiscation which would lead to revolution/civil war.)
  
  Eventually, you will see people who believe in the constitution leaving the states that don’t and moving to states where they are in company with like minded people. Eventually the US will become fully blue state/red state … with only the moderate uncaring people living in either. I don’t think I have to express how very unstable and dangerous a situation like that in America can be (as history has proven in our civil war.)
  
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- Stelex
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:20pm
  Personally I feel better with the guns and ammo in the hands of the citizens.
  
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- miboso
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:25pm
  RE: Tossing the Constitution: It is the Constitution which holds the individual states into a single country. Toss the Constitution and we have 50 individual states with the opportunity to stay alone or organize with other states as they see fit. Since we are not following the Constitution anyway, this may be something to consider.
  
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- Stelex
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:29pm
  I really dislike stupid people.
  
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eaglesview
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 7:42pm
Stupid is as stupid does.

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turkey13
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 7:39pm
Everyone in the good old USA needs to drive around (no matter how many miles) this town. A nation wide protest of these idiots (City Council) will wake up the town and have a recall vote. If you buy on E-bay or Amazon and the vender is from this town please buy from someone else. I already do this on NY, Ill,Conn, Philly & DC. They are also on my no fly list. Never thought Vermont was so Liberal. I bet these city council members will expect special protection from the police over the town citizens when thugs are kicking down their doors. I can already hear them screaming like a 6 year old girl down here in Oklahoma.

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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:02pm
  Prior to this Vermont virtually had no laws restricting the 2nd Amendment in any way. But, look who they keep putting in national office. Senators Bernie Sanders and Patrick Leahy. Two of the most liberal senators in congress. Then there is Rep Peter Welch. Two democrats, and Sanders an Independent refers to himself as a Socialist.
  
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Ar-shooter
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 7:39pm
I’m really getting tired of semi automatic rifles being called assault weapons, I shot 500 rounds through mine this weekend and no one was assaulted !

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- 226crimsontrace
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 7:49pm
  I like the term “modern sporting rifles” or you can pretend to work for DHS and call them “personal defense weapon”
  
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- Xiccarph
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:37pm
  I don’t like the ‘modern sporting rifles’ or similar approach either. That is being politically correct. It grew out of the 1994 ban, where manufacturers had to put the word “sporting” or “sporter” in the names of their rifles. And afterwards unto today as well, where “sporting” is the most common adjective you find in the firearms and ammo business. If it doesn’t say sporter or sporting or hunting, it won’t be imported or sold. It’s too much kissing the arses of the idiots who try to push the 2nd A. as being only for hunters and sportsmen. They hope for the good old “..if you say something long enough and officially enough, it will become the perceived truth, even if it is a total lie.” I’m sick of it.
  
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dodgedart1966
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 7:38pm
Good for the club. It’s nice to read an inspirational story once in a while.

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- john vincent
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:29pm
  agreed dart-
  
  and did u ever notice those who are ‘armed’ do not make a federal case against they who want to go armless?? There could be equal attacks on the citizens who DO NOT own/carry/ etc, yet, this half of the tale is always left out. We leave these people alone, they have every right to go armless, now leave me alone for exercising MY rights….
  
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progressiveslayer
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 7:37pm
More gun laws saving lives! Yes the progressives among us of which there are entirely too many are going to save us from ourselves.again. Those idiots couldn’t think their way out of a wet paper sack yet they’re writing laws and regulations on the federal state and local level infringing on our right to own firearms. You might say well they’re just saying you can’t have a high capacity magazine. The U.S constitution says congress doesn’t have the authority to write ANY laws infringing on our right to bear arms.

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- FISH_BONE
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:27pm
  “The U.S constitution says …” That’s where your argument becomes nonrelevant to our liberal minded comrades.
  
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CWPrequired
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 7:37pm
Sweeeeeeeet, a taste of their own meds.

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Stelex
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 7:35pm
We the people of the United States hereby disown Vermont and freely give it to Canada in exchange for 4 cases of Molson Golden and free Rush tickets for life for all Tea Party folk. If they so desire.

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- mrunner
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 7:42pm
  I second the motion
  
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- rightwingNYer
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 7:49pm
  The only way we will give Vermont away is with all liberals/progressives moving to it 1st…then we will give it to Canada for those beers….US Tea Party members will gladly take the beer in trade for you all…..plus stupid Vermont.
  
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- Stelex
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 7:57pm
  The motion passes, any lawyers on hear who could tell us how to proceed????
  
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- Darkvista
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:56pm
  I agree , can we give them California too for …. some magic beans?
  
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Chamber
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 7:32pm
This is disturbing. I lived in Vermont for many years and the state constitution is very clear on the matter. Sounds like some liberals who moved in from out of state, got elected, and now want to replicate a failed governing style in Vermont.

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- decendentof56
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:58pm
  Well, hasn’t that happened to Colorado?
  20 + years ago I did some work for a lady who moved from Colorado to NJ. She told me then that so many had moved from Ca. to Colorado because the overall climate (business/regulations) in Ca. was so bad. Now, we see that Colo. is a Blue state.
  Vermont? My wife and I used to vacation there in the late 70′s and early 80′s. Haven’t been there in 20 years. It is pretty, but their politics are way too far left for me. We’ll take our money elsewhere.
  I haven’t checked, but I’d guess the violent crime as related to guns is low in Vt. I’d also guess that crime is low due to the demographics. I’ll check the stat’s later. I’m off to watch “Pickers”.
  
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Magyar
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 7:31pm
At first I thought–HELL, no Vermonter would ever vote for any gun ban of any kind– Then I remembered that Burlington is home to UVM, St Mikes and Champlain college….a bastion of liberal nonsense—there could be enough idiots to vote YES on this unconstitutional law!

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DefyTYRANNY
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 7:30pm
Good precedent. Also in the light of the Illegal use of power by Eric Holder to strongarm banks to deny loans to gun manufacturers, I think all gun manufacturers should refuse to sell firearms to government agencies. Notice that holder did not try to deny loans to Colt, which is a Government supplier. The manufacturers have plenty of demand from citizenry, they don’t need the government orders. The profit margin is likely much higher on civilian sales. It would be hilarious if their 7000 unit PDW order was cancelled due to their actions against the industry. It is now full scale economic and warfare. And it was initiated by their side. Deny them Material support in any fashion.

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- DefyTYRANNY
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 7:40pm
  -”It is now full scale Economic Warfare”-
  
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civilwarcometh
Posted on January 28, 2013 at 7:26pm
Better get ready they are..http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=8971311

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- Stelex
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 7:39pm
  Its coming, it’s a shame that our Red Dawn will be started by our own government. I just hope that the military and leo’s remember what they swore to uphold.
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 7:53pm
  CIVILWARCOMETH, If you can come up with seditious info to go with the helicopter in flight, please give some of this a rest. Starting back in the ’70s when I was first in the Army we were all over the place in Army helicopters too. In fact, it was nothing unusual through the time I retired during the last Clinton Administration. Damned if we ever did anything other than “our” missions, training missions, to something as crazy as actual transportation. Even during the Clinton era black helicopter scares. Yeah, our helicopters were and still are such a super dark shade of green (almost what the Germans refer to as schwarzgruen) that in the air they often do look black.
  But, as I mentioned, if you come up with some truly supportive information I’ll gladly read it. And, please don’t give me any bull about the UN. Believe me, most of the troops on support assignment to the UN can’t poop then successfully wipe their asses afterwards. Well, except for the Canadians, who by the way have one of the smallest armed forces in the First World. Notice that I said “armed forces” and not Army? While they have Army, Naval, and Air Forces, they are one element because they are so small with certain MOSs that can be assigned to any of the force structures as necessary. Great guys and I have trained with them before. Very professional, but collectively not enough force to make a gnat fart on a world wide level. What I am saying is they are the best I have seen regarding UN troops.
  
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- Stelex
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:09pm
  RJJ……Just a few years ago I’d never believe it was possible. There is a recent chain of events that are in fact worrisome. The progs have there masiah in office, they can taste blood in the water. To assume it could never happen here is a really bad assumption. How are we different……..all the elements are in place, our society has never been so dumbed down. Why wouldn’t the powers that be make a move? What exactly is there to hold them back, our military is exhausted from 11 years of war, our country is in a slide, and I believe its being artificially held up till the right time. Where did all the trillions go from Tarp and Stim and QE1-infinity. I respect your posts but to dismiss the possibility is not a good idea.
  
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- civilwarcometh
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:18pm
  RJJ this is happening everywhere now. that’s all i’m pointing out. If you don’t think nothing of it good but i don’t. I don’t trust this government. I put nothing past them. you want me to stop no problem you got it.
  
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- Stelex
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:28pm
  Just one more thought…….what if its not just the UN. Russia would love to see us fall, China, Brazil. There are countries all over the world who would love to see us fall. Most are part of the UN. To achieve there ends America must fall. Thats just a fact like it or not. We are the minority on the planet, a powerful minority, but a minority none the less. Enough to possibly unite otherwise enemy’s to unite. But what do I know.
  
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- civilwarcometh
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:30pm
  Wonder why all those guns were lined up on the ground at the end of the video?
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 8:55pm
  STELEX, CIVILWARCOMETH, Okay, I’ve been retired for not quite 17 years yet, but I am still in touch with many still active duty military personnel. Furthermore, my adult son is in touch with a good number of his friends who are also still active duty while some have recently gotten out, but that is more because of the lifting of DADT. Of those we know, collectively they know hundreds if not a thousand or more active duty who will refuse to take up arms against American civilians. Many I would expect to take up arms against any superior who attempted to order them to do such. Granted, these people can be weeded out, but it would take close to an another complete generation or more. Yeah, there are some in the military, various LE elements, and yeah, I used to be a cop too, as well as certain other recently armed government types are willing to do anything they are told. Well, as far as I am concerned, they can face the next version of the Nurnberg Trials (That is the correct spelling) should they try anything against us.
  As for the next few years anyway, and I am not somebody with his head in the sand by any means. In ’94 I was going through the massive shot records update to go to fly into Entebbe, then move to Rwanda but the mission was scrubbed after the neutered UN stood by and watched the Hutu/Tutsi massacre. Half a million killed and the UN could do nothing against those armed with clubs and machetes. My suggestion in continued.
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:05pm
  Continued.
  Don’t fall for anybody who says we are being invaded by the UN. My son’s former Boy Scout troop could stop them with slingshots. I’ve seen them in action. Or, rather inaction. So, please don’t be offended by what I am about to say, but CIVILWARCOMETH, you in particular, please tone down the crackpot attitude at least a few notches. As I said yesterday or Saturday, I do read your comments, and often agree with many. But, not all. When you have some proof put it out there for us all to see. Otherwise you are feeding the trolls. Again, allow me to reiterate that I do have my finger on the pulse of what is going on in this country. I have retired, and former Army buds all over the country and we share our concerns often. But, all is nowhere near lost yet. There are far more people on our side than you might think. I just wish they had gotten off their asses and voted. The Ron Johnson voters helped 0bama as much as Perot helped Clinton in ’92, and again in ’96. But please, we have more than enough of a Chicken Little Brigade with the global whining crowd. Get your facts together and put them out here in a well put together and clear manner and if things are truly going to hell in the proverbial hand basket, you can count on many of us a minutemen.
  
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- Stelex
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:21pm
  RJJ, I hope your right. Sincerely. And if you are then no worries. But there is a new vibe and if your paying attention you can’t say you don’t feel it. The vibe I feel is the powerful feel that they have what they want and are ready to use it. I trust my instincts, and they tell me that something wicked this way comes. The markets don’t match reality. The politicians seem more vapid than ever, but its more than that. We have an out of control gov, controling the message through the media, half the population believes government is looking out for them. A good liar knows when to strike, before the lie comes back on them. The elite are about to strike, because more and more people are waking up. If I’m wrong all is good, if I’m write you’ll see a stock market crash, the dollar spiral down and society will fall apart. Call me paranoid, but again I trust my guts and I don’t trust anything about this administration, media or anyone in the UN. They have an agenda and the will have to move before to many start to understand. And I promise …… if we are still chatting here in 2016. I will apologize and send you a couple pounds of lobster.
  
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- civilwarcometh
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:30pm
  So now i’m a crackpot? So thinking something is up because the military and police are training together not in just one instance but across the country i’m a crackpot. Any other time in our history i would agree with you but not with this government today. Recently a police officer came out in N.C. and said this exact same thing. It’s not just me nor am i the only one on hear who thinks this. I don’t know what is up just thought people should know. By the way your on burntheblaze.com more than me so who is giving the left more ammo?
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:37pm
  STELEX, I still recommend to always remain vigilant with eyes and ears open at all times. We do have a president who does not respect or plan to follow the tenants of our Constitution. He studies and taught the Constitution for one reason, to find out how he can skirt it to get away with implementing his agenda. I do take pleasure with his boo hoo sessions with the press when somebody manages to head him off at the pass. But yes, by all means, we have to pay attention to every little thing this man does and says, as well as read between the lines.
  I agree with everything you just said. I agree with you that this man will try to do anything to crash this country and the remainder of the left will continue to kiss his ass through the demise. Yeah, we are so evil. Funny, while I was in other countries in my day, I heard the exact opposite by those on the outside looking in. And, I have driven to Paris and through France a number of times. It is generally their elite class who hates America the most. Actually, gave me the impression that is was more envy than hate.
  Lobsters! The last time I was in Providence, RI after a tour in Germany my Dad took me to his favorite seafood restaurant and my happy ass sat there and stuffed down two. Boiled and baked. Used to get decent lobster when I lived in Florida, but it is hard to come by here in Alabama. Rubber Lobster (Red Lobster) is the closest then we have. But, I love southern food too, so all is not lost on me.
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:45pm
  CIVILWARCOMETH, While in the Army in back as far as the ’70s we trained with the civilian police. In fact all through my service we did. Used to do a lot of riot training in the early days too. So, please tell me, just what subversive activity did we pull on the nation then? Also, I said that you basically do sound like a crackpot. You can do better, and have proven so in other posts. I listened to that NC police officer. I also heard similar things while in the service during the Carter administration, and a lot more again during the Clinton Administration. Nothing and I say again NOTHING of the kind ever happened. Not saying to stop paying attention. That would be the best way to just give up. But kid, I’ve already been there and done that a few times already. Have you? You sound to be just very new at this. Cool your jets and act like an adult. Otherwise, if or when the sh/t hits the fan, guess who they will pick up first, you or me? Think about this for a while be you attempt to answer.
  
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- Stelex
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:52pm
  CivilwarCometh……I do not think your a crackpot. I’m with you and I do believe crazy things are afoot. That’s why most can’t see it. Because it is so crazy. 7000 Personal defence weapons, that if you or I had in hand would be called Assault riffles. 1.8 Billion rounds of various ammo not allowed in the international arena. A total meltdown of society. Stay sharp.
  
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- earache-my-eye
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 9:57pm
  Stelex & Rjj, great dialogue between you, enjoy seeing both sides. Rjj, I respect your service to our country(thank you for serving) but I think Stelex might be right. You see all of the violence and unrest all over the world and think,it can’t happen here.Why not? I see an economy being propped up artificially, a country being divided by leadership(or lack thereof),the moral decline of the citizens,poor schools,parenting,etc.Do you not think there are people out there that want our country to fail?I just think we passed the tipping point to get on the propper path as a country.
  
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- civilwarcometh
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:10pm
  My whole family has served i tried when i was 18 but asthma kept me out. My grandfather and uncle were police officer’s. Yes i’m a kid compared to you i’m only 50…I will take your advice to cool it a bit. You have always sounded more grounded than me. But i do believe something is in the air and it smell’s EVIL. Hope no hard feelings RJJ. I’m just trying to find the answers just like everyone else…
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:22pm
  EARACHE-MY-EYE, Thank you, but even at my age if I could I would do it all over again. STELEX did make excellent points as well as you. The only thing that I will claim to be right about at the moment is to remain vigilant, pay attention, be prepared and never give up. Also, don’t focus too much attention upon yourself.
  I do recall the gun hysteria going on in ’93. Although the reporting is more wide spread than then, it was there indeed. It still took Clinton a full Democrat trifecta to pull off both of the Brady bills. The Dems lost both the House and Senate shortly afterwards. There are already Democrat law makers who are visibly trembling in their boots over this go around. There is no doubt that 0bama wants to disarm the country entirely regardless what he says. There was no long gun used at Sandy Hook IAW the FBI investigative team put out the day after that dufus medical examiner lied. But, the media is in lock step with that story. They are ignoring the most used weapon in these murders to go after the so called assault weapons first. If they succeed they know they can then say the murders are only increasing with the use of sidearms. Now, turn those in next. Its for the children. Let your senators and congressmen know how you feel, and get friends and relatives to do the same thing. You’ll never convince the likes of our ENCINOM or WANG_DANG_DOODLE, so don’t waste your time. Go to those next on your list.
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:29pm
  CIVILWARCOMETH, LOL, my adult son is still a kid to me, but naturally since I am his father. Frankly, I do owe you an apology for that comment. I well understand what you mean about not being able to serve. My son, God bless him, has a problem with an eye that will keep him out. It has torn him up for years as well. I salute you for your desire to serve regardless if you were not able.
  No, absolutely no hard feelings at all on my part. I hope for none on your part as well. I see our little tangle as two kids slipping behind a school yard dumpster to slug it out a bit, then to come out as best buds. I offer my hand in friendship, and if we don’t see eye to eye on everything in the future. Guess what, my wife and I don’t either. About to take my old bones to bed in a little while, so I look forward to shooting the bull with you tomorrow and in the future.
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on January 28, 2013 at 10:55pm
  Civil and Stelex
  There is so much out there to filter through, so much crap that shouldn’t be happening but is; what do you do about it until there is a point to actually do something about it? Keep on filtering, keep on planning for “rainy” days, keep on living, but otherwise, what? Nothing personal to either one of you two. Don’t give the trolls an inch. Don’t give the watchers jack to fall back on. RJ and GhostofJeff are two of the most grounded people here IMO- hard to find in this massive webby thing. Just remember there are trolls at every post and comment, with the caveat that big bro is keeping everyone of these for posterity’s sake too. My personal fear is the whole math thing with the dead dollar, the massaged numbers, and the low info voters that will be piss ed when the EBT cards read 0, but we all have our own crosses to bear. So be it. Nothing to do “here” until it comes, if at all-
  
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