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Are Ruby Ridge & Waco Tragedies Examples of ‘Out-of-Control Government?

Jan. 29, 2013 7:45pm

Ruby Ridge was a remote site in northern Idaho where a deadly stand-off between Randy Weaver, his family and friends, and U.S. Federal agents took place in 1992. The confrontation ended in the death of Weaver’s son, his wife, and Deputy Marshal William Francis Degan.

On his Wednesday evening broadcast, Glenn Beck used the bloodshed at Ruby Ridge and later Waco, to showcase how even Republicans, who are supposedly in favor of greater personal freedom, have been at the forefront of policies that encroach on those very rights.

Weaver, a U.S. Army combat engineer, moved his family to 20 acres of remote land in Iowa in the 1980s in order to home-school his children and better survive what he and his wife believed would be a cataclysmic event marking the end of days. Weaver himself also had ties to the Aryan Nations, which was under investigation by the ATF at the time.

While Beck condemned Weaver’s involvement at any level with the Aryan Nation, he noted that it did not excuse the way federal agents abused their power and conducted themselves at Ruby Ridge.

“New rules of engagement were drawn up specifically for Ruby Ridge,” Beck noted. Those new rules allegedly included allowing federal agents to use deadly force against the Weavers even if they posed no immediate threat. Beck also said that “weak gun charges” were all it really took for Feds to have the excuse the needed to close in on the Weavers.

The incident at Ruby Ridge is similar to Waco and has served as the basis for how federal agencies view and handle potential threats from purported “homegrown militias.”

 

Of course the massacre at Waco needs no introduction. It was spawned, according to Beck, by a “fringe belief” and a “weak gun charge” that ultimately led federal agencies to overstep their bounds.

Despite Weaver’s and David Koresh’s bizarre, even dangerous beliefs, were laws actually broken and did they warrant the carnage that ensued? Watch below:

 

Beck also brought in experts Chuck Hustmyre and Tim Lynch to discuss the details of both Ruby Ridge and Waco.

In CONTROL, Glenn Beck presents a passionate, fact-based case for guns that reveals why gun control isn’t really about controlling guns at all; it’s about controlling us. Find out more HERE.

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  • media-bias-steals-elections
    Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:55pm

    It’s no secret that there are law enforcement officials who believe that their jobs would be easier if citizens did not have guns, which is the result of their brain washing by the cherry picking media that cherry picks tragedies and ignores the legion of evidence that crime prevention by gun ownership saves tax payers money and makes it possible to afford the benefits and pensions of law enforcement?

    I’m not familiar with the Aryan nation and what kind of evidence demonstrated that they were a threat, and anyone who created a millitia with the exclusive purpose of race exclusion is not going to get sympathy cards from the public, so by default, the government will get the benefit of the doubt on that one?

    I believe the state militias were a vision where the government would know they existed, the citizens would know they existed, and that there was a mutual respect that the previous actions by zealous government officials from the British Empire were not going to be tolerated ever again? That way you don’t have people ignored for crying wolf all the time, that the government is out to get them, but it’s not?

    One of the reasons to promote state militias is so that you never have spontaneous creations of new militias with rebel leaders waiting in the wings, as demonstrated in Egypt and elsewhere? Waco was caused because the leader did not use common sense with ATF officials, who did not gain public sympathy after the fact?

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 9:09pm

      Here, Glenn. Here’s Alex Jones’s movie about it. Maybe you can poach some more material.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjnPOOZ2MoE

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    • Smokey_Bojangles
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 9:48pm

      Gee Brother,Wouldn’t that be Satan whispering in his ear? Maybe he should check it out on Snopes?

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 9:57pm

      yes Smokey_Bojangles…..That is the glenn beck hypocrisy

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    • AINT_SKEERT
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 10:37pm

      The Aryan Nations started as a splinter group of Mormons, When the orthodox church started to accept non-whites into the priesthood, they separated fully. They even called themselves The Church of Jesus Christ for a while. They killed some law officers with some ingenious tactics. (I wont explain how, I don’t want to endanger any police now.) So I can understand why the BATF was very jumpy about the attempted arrest.

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    • valiant1776
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 11:15pm

      American Militia Leader JJ Johnson testifies in Congress:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRjOtdSSCAA

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    • jblaze
      Posted on January 30, 2013 at 12:08am

      This was very interesting and timely information, thanks for bringing it, Glenn!

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    • GoodStuff
      Posted on January 30, 2013 at 12:20am

      Maybe Brother Winston and Soyboob can get together and start a Fetus Burgers restaurant. RuPaul could be the spokeman.

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    • Obama_In_PeePee_Is_Becks_Art
      Posted on January 30, 2013 at 12:56am

      “Ruby Ridge & Waco Tragedies: Examples of ‘Out-of-Control’ R̶e̶p̶u̶b̶l̶i̶c̶a̶n̶ Progressive-communist Government”

      And you “forgot” to mention that Sgt. Timothy J. McVeigh retaliated for the Waco slaughter by attacking it’s command-post, the Murrah Federal building? Hmm?

      This Is Not An Assault: Penetrating the Web of Official Lies Regarding the Waco Incident
      http://www.amazon.com/This-Not-Assault-Penetrating-Regarding/dp/0738863424
      “The Waco Story is NOT about “gun nuts” and pedophilia”
      “Because it’s one thing for a rogue agency to decide that such an assault is necessary; it’s yet another thing to realize that the agency knew that the assault was both illegal and would not hold up to public scrutiny, and went into coverup mode from the beginning.”

      Waco Feb 28-April 19, 1993
      http://www.hardylaw.net/waco.html
      “The official version is undercut by BATF’s concession that, when informed of the investigation, Koresh invited agents to come over, look at the firearms, and take any that they might feel were questionable. … nine days before the raid. They [even] went shooting with David Koresh.”
      “The codename for the Waco raid was “Operation Trojan Horse.” The code for its initiation was “Showtime.” The target date was less than two weeks before BATF’s House Appropriations hearings were scheduled. The team assigned included a Public Information Officer, who made sure to alert newspapers to stand by for a story that weekend.

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    • GB__The Holy Warmonger
      Posted on January 30, 2013 at 3:50am

      Lon Horiuchi the sniper who accidentally shot Vicki Weaver in the head was also at Waco. Wonder how many more ‘accidents” happened?
      Glenn certainly only scratched the surface of what happened at Waco. Puts into question his other “thorough” investigations. Guess this makes me a Ruby Ridge “truther” and a Waco “truther”.

      So, who doesn’t want to know the whole truth?

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on January 30, 2013 at 5:56am

      OK goodstuff. and you could continue to worship at the alter of saul alinsky

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on January 30, 2013 at 7:29am

      @AINT_SKEERT
      Aryan Nation is not a splinter group of the LDS Church…
      http://archive.adl.org/learn/ext_us/aryan_nations.asp?xpicked=3&item=an
      Background: Butler (the founder) first became involved with the Christian Identity movement after serving in the U.S. Air Force during World War II. He studied under Wesley Swift, founder of the Church of Jesus Christ Christian, until Swift died. Butler then formed Aryan Nations.
      Media: Internet, videos, posters, e-mail, chat rooms, online bulletin boards, conferences. Ideology: Christian Identity, white supremacy, neo-Nazi, paramilitary Connections: Aryan Nations has had members in common with several other white supremacist and neo-Nazi groups, including National Alliance, the Ku Klux Klan and The Silent Brotherhood/The Order Recent Developments: Once the most well-known neo-Nazi group in the United States, Aryan Nations has suffered substantially in recent years due to Butler’s ill health, and a lawsuit that cost the group its Northern Idaho compound in 2001. Butler agreed to share power with Kreis and Redfeairn later that year, but the arrangement dissolved into internal squabbling. Eventually three groups competed for Aryan Nations’ dwindling number of followers. It is unclear how Butler’s death in September 2004 will affect the group.

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    • dublinthewagons
      Posted on January 30, 2013 at 8:32am

      The weatherunderground may be in for a heap of trouble. Huh
      Oblamer just might turn loose the ATF on them “killer style”oh I forgot they are in bed together

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on January 30, 2013 at 8:42am

      The Aryan Nation was penetrated just like Elohim city was penetrated by the government. With all those informants & government action still plays out like Keystone cop are Ruby Ridge, Waco & Oklahoma City.

      I read the book, “The Silent Brotherhood” about the string of bank robberies committed by some people who hung around the Aryan Nations or were an offshoot (if you will). A case can be made that the government created the leader of the Brotherhood.

      And if you are a liberal & do not believe in free will but in Determinism, a very sound case can be made that the government & press create the Black Panthers & the Aryan Nation and also that the Panther and Nation created each other.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on January 30, 2013 at 8:52am

      “Beck also said that “weak gun charges” were all it really took for Feds to have the excuse the needed to close in on the Weavers.”

      The gun charges are a direct result of Miller vs the U.S.

      It was ruled by a “idiot” judge that sawed off shotguns were illegal because they had no military purpose. That is they were not useful on a battlefield. Apparently the know very little judge did not know that these were called trench brooms during WW1. They were very useful on the battlefield.

      Have a juris doctorate, will crap out a precedent

      http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65991

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on January 30, 2013 at 9:05am

      Our most recent treatment of the Second Amendment occurred in United States v. Miller, 307 U.S. 174 (1939), in which we reversed the District Court’s invalidation of the National Firearms Act, enacted in 1934.

      >>>>>>>>> In Miller, we determined that the Second Amendment did not guarantee a citizen’s right to posse ss a sawed off shotgun because that weapon had not been shown to be “ordinary military equipment” that could “contribute to the common defense.” <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Miller

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_shotgun

      The shotgun especially a sawed off one has been used in War of 1812 ( Battle of New Orleans ), Civil War, Spanish American War, World War 1, World War 2, Vietnam, Somalia, Iraq

      "The shotgun was also well suited for house-to-house fighting. An example of this effectiveness is an event from September 27, 1918. Sergeant Fred Lloyd, armed with a Winchester Model 1897 trench gun, single-handedly retook a German-held French village, routing 30 German soldier" -wiki

      People whom earn juris doctorates, rely on precedent, and have no other professional training or experience are a clear & present danger to themselves & society.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on January 30, 2013 at 9:22am

      Take a look at the picture of the Winchester Model 1897 in the link provided below. the 1st thing a soldier is going to do is to saw of the barrel to make the shotgun more portable for trench warfare & house to house fighting.

      Procurement officials sitting in the Pentagon or its’ predecessor might not know this, but they are such REMF, what the F___ would they know?!

      The shotgun was also well suited for house-to-house fighting. An example of this effectiveness is an event from September 27, 1918. Sergeant Fred Lloyd, armed with a Winchester Model 1897 trench gun, single-handedly retook a German-held French village, routing 30 German soldiers.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_shotgun

      Winchester Model 1897
      Barrel length 20 in (510 mm)
      “Although the Model 1897 was popular with American troops in World War I, the Germans soon began to protest its use in combat.”

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_1897_Trench_Gun

      The U.S Government appealed the decision and on March 30, 1939, the U.S. Supreme Court heard the case. Attorneys for the United States argued four points:

      #3 The Second Amendment protects only the ownership of military-type weapons appropriate for use in an organized militia.
      #4 The “double barrel 12-gauge Stevens shotgun having a barrel less than 18 inches in length, bearing identification number 76230″ was never used in any militia organization.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Miller

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    • GroundZero is Nuclear Demolition x3
      Posted on January 30, 2013 at 10:19am

      http://youtu.be/5TLwvFin_2w

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    • 00100111
      Posted on January 30, 2013 at 10:31am

      Glenn needs to get off his Jesus, Gandhi, and MLK kick. “Arrest me and I’ll have my day in court” won’t fly these days. You think you’ll get your day in court? You’ll disappear. The rule of law no longer applies with “that guy”. You’re the enemy, he’ll suicide you. The time is coming that fighting back is the ONLY thing we can do.

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    • naughtycal
      Posted on January 30, 2013 at 10:38am

      Lat time I checked Waco and Ruby Ridge happened under Clinton with liberal Janet Reno running the justice department. Seems to be a pattern that civilian are killed by ATF agents when Democrats have the presidency…..It also seems that the democrats target whites that believe in limited government as well.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:33pm

      00100111
      Glenn needs to get off his Jesus, Gandhi, and MLK kick.
      ***
      No I think Glennis right

      I also think jhrusky is wrong. People will not necessarily give up their guns on bended knee. If a large enough group of people start something, then all the so called keyboard warriors will join in. A person might want to stop tyranny but they don’t want to step forward on their own & be there by themselves for too long.

      Liberals are just so stupid. They have seriously proposed (the wonky thinkers among them) that the poor be house in the homes of the middle class & rich. That would take us back to the Quartering Act that enraged the American circa 1760s & 1770s. Maybe Taxes should have going up but the colonists had no representatives in Parliament. Nowadays, the CBS political director is telling Obama to wipe out the Republicans. That would be taxation without representation. Obama is complying with the3 CBS dierector because he thinks the same way. Every bill in Congress is treated like the Civil Rights Bills of the 1950s. They cannot pass until the head Democrat decides they will pass (LBJ in that case) & the Democrats get credit. Also the bills will not pass until the Dems get maximum poltical mileage out of the bill to demonized the Republicans & run them out of office. Until that happens business can be left undone & the country can burn.

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  • Mtnrunner77
    Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:50pm

    Where did you get your facts…….7eleven….He was part of a separatist group not Aryan Nation. Try Idaho not Iowa, might be more in keeping with the truth. He was an Green Beret. And if you do some real research you would see he was set up by the Feds for not being a rat on his friends. His family was murdered by our POS Feds for selling a shotgun 1/4″ below the limit….Try doing some real reading next time before you write this MSNBC trash.

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  • TomP215
    Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:48pm

    Sorry guys, but Clinton did not become president until 1993. We need to be careful, just take a looking on the Internet to research facts. Those that wish to enforce gun bans will jump on any incorrect info we put forth. The far left has the media in bed with them and we need to extra careful we do not give them any misinformation. Do not be fooled, but their are neo-statists within the Republican Establishment.

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    • Dan_o
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 9:00pm

      Waco happened in ’93 under Clinton and Reno.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 9:12pm

      Exactly. Waco was Clinton trying to set an agenda with a photo op.

      Ruby Ridge I think can be explained by bureaucracy. Make a comparative study of bureaucracy of the Roman Empire, China under the Emperors or the U.SD. bureaucracy. Bureaucracies have a life & an ethos of their own. To an extent their ignore the titular head of government. Compared to the bureaucracy the heard of state is here today gone tomorrow. Especially in the U.S.

      Consider Chinese emperors. Kids growing up in a rich household can fall into the trap laziness, otherworldliness, & arrogance. It is worse when a bureaucracy like the Chinese one tells emperors let us handle things & further isolates them. The Ming emperors are a case in point the 1st 2 emperors were very strong. But after the dynasty was established, subsequent emperors did not go out on campaign . High officials urged them not to. They said it would be disasterous if they would. They could get killed. With advice like that it is easy to stay in a palace. The last Ming emperors gave themselves up to a life of luxury & neglected the military among other things.

      People really should read how bureaucracies affect the fate of nations & decision making. I wish I had a link or remember where I read of the profound effect bureaucracies had on the decision making or lack of it on the part of Chinese emperors. It is worth considering.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 9:33pm

      TOMP215

      Clinton was sworn in JAN 20, 1993

      Waco started FEB 28th.

      But your assertion is that it is Bush’s fault. That is pretty sad.

      ”

      The ATF attempted to execute their search warrant on a Sunday morning, February 28, 1993. Any advantage of surprise was lost when a reporter who had been tipped off about the raid asked for directions from a U.S. Postal Service mail carrier who was coincidentally Koresh’s brother-in-law.[21] Koresh then told undercover ATF agent Robert Rodriguez that they knew a raid was imminent. Rodriguez had infiltrated the Branch Davidians and was astonished to find that his cover had been blown. The agent made an excuse and left the compound. When asked later what the Davidians had been doing when he left the compound, Rodriguez replied, “They were praying.”"

      Long & the short of it was that an investigation started in May 1992 under George H.W. Bush. But it was Bubba Clinton that wanted th stage production. He wanted the OPTICS.

      Also Koresh went into town at least once a week. He could have been arrested very easily. Clinton wanted his photo op.

      Arrest Koresh outside the “compound”. Conduct a search of the compound.. Perform DNA tests to see if the reporters’, Mark England and Darlene McCormick, story had any truth to it.

      Compare Waco to YFZ Ranch. As a result of Waco we got Oklahoma city bombing. After YFZ we got no bombing. See the difference?

      Oh wait that won’t do. No photo op for Bubba Clinton the haras

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    • Smokey_Bojangles
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 9:49pm

      Waco happened under Clinton,Reno and Holder. The same sniper that shot Randy Weaver’s folks shot David Koresh and others.

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    • 700P
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 10:50pm

      I think Clinton was jealous of Koresh’s living arrangements. So what if the investigation began under GHW Bush….next someone will say that because it happened in Texas it’s GW’s fault.

      Amazing story of forgiveness by Weaver’s daughter…I wouldn’t be as magnanimous.

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    • DefyTYRANNY
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 10:57pm

      Tomp215, who didn’t bother to do their research? I posted the Wikipedia link showing that Clinton and Napolitano were in charge at that time. I also watched in on TV with my wife, we were married earlier in that year. I told her they were going to massacre all those people a few days before it occurred.

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    • Mr.buff1959
      Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:42am

      Yes.

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    • Spqr1
      Posted on January 30, 2013 at 12:56pm

      Waco happened under the control of the same person as Ruby Ridge: the Republican head of the FBI, Bill Sessions.

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  • Ice Star
    Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:36pm

    Waco was under Slick Willie, the reason Tim did his evil.

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    • jcldwl
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:50pm

      Here is the info on the writer of this article. It should easily explain why the headline blames republicans for both instances. Myself I trust neither party.

      Tiffany Gabbay has been a writer and communications specialist for the past decade. Her passion for politics was fostered at an early age by her father, a successful entrepreneur and war hero. Tiffany worked as a Journalist on Capitol Hill where she interviewed some of the Beltway’s biggest names, and also served as Deputy Director of a Republican Women’s advocacy group. Prior to her time in the beltway, Tiffany spent a number of years in the U.K. where she began her career in publishing. She started out in London’s insurance and risk management industry as associate publisher for a popular trade publication, and later served as global communications manager for an international insurance trade body based in Manchester. She is a graduate of the National Journalism Center in Washington, D.C. and studied communications at the London Institute.

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    • ANTISOCIAL-IST
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 9:09pm

      @jcl: now, after giving us tiffany’s bio and resume, it does not negate the fact that she did in fact make a mistake today, i have read her writings on other topics that were pure opinion based on zero fact but disguised as journalism.
      it’s important for people who may have not reached a level of discernment coming to the blaze and trusting the author to be presenting facts, on a news site.

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    • Winedude
      Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:29am

      Anti-socialist: I don’t know who comes to The Blaze and thinks they are coming to a genuine news site. Lately all I’ve seen are rehashes of stories better written at other sites. This story was particularly egregiously poorly researched and written.

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  • The Third Archon
    Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:34pm

    “Weaver, a U.S. Army combat engineer, moved his family to 20 acres of remote land in Iowa in the 1980s in order to home-school his children and better survive what he and his wife believed would be a cataclysmic event marking the end of days.”
    LOL–sound familiar?
    “Weaver himself also had ties to the Aryan Nations, which was under investigation by the ATF at the time.”
    For the ignorant among you, “Aryan Nations” is polite for “white supremacists.”

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    • civilwarcometh
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:41pm

      Your friends????http://weaselzippers.us/2013/01/29/university-study-bulk-of-occupy-wall-street-protesters-part-of-1-percent-children-of-the-elite/

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    • Jedrin
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:46pm

      The Aryan connection is disputed by a lot of witnesses. Do you believe everything you hear on the “news”.

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    • UNALIEN
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:47pm

      @THE THIRD ARCHON

      what is your point,, it is ok for the Gov to frame you and murder wife because you are a fringe player…

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:47pm

      I just read up on Ruby Ridge & Waco.

      “In 1984, Randy Weaver and neighbor Terry Kinnison had a dispute over a $3,000 land deal. Kinnison subsequently lost the lawsuit and was ordered to pay Weaver an additional $2,100 in court costs and damages. Kinnison wrote letters to the FBI, Secret Service, and county sheriff alleging Weaver had threatened to kill the Pope, the President, and John V. Evans, governor of Idaho.

      Weaver was not a member of the Aryan nation when the BATF started harassing him at the behest of a neighbor who called them. That very same neighbor lost a lawsuit to Weaver. In January 1985, the FBI and the Secret Service started an investigation. In February, Randy and Vicki Weaver were interviewed for hours by two FBI agents, two Secret Service agents, and the Boundary County sheriff and his chief investigator.[6] Although the Secret Service was told that Weaver was a member of the Aryan Nations and that he had a large weapons cache at his residence, Weaver denied the allegations and no charges were filed

      The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms first became aware of Weaver in July 1986 when he was introduced to an ATF informant at a meeting of the Aryan Nations. Weaver had been invited by Frank Kumnick, who was the original target of the ATF investigation. It was Weaver’s first attendance.

      In October 1989, …By this time, Weaver had had a falling-out with both Kumnick and the Aryan Nations

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:53pm

      In my humble opinion Terry Kinnison started this ball rolling & got Vicki Weaver swatted by “so very special agent” Horiuchi (West Poiutn graduate).

      “In 1984, Randy Weaver and neighbor Terry Kinnison had a dispute over a $3,000 land deal. Kinnison subsequently lost the lawsuit and was ordered to pay Weaver an additional $2,100 in court costs and damages. Kinnison wrote letters to the FBI, Secret Service, and county sheriff alleging Weaver had threatened to kill the Pope, the President, and John V. Evans, governor of Idaho

      “The investigation noted Weaver associated with Frank Kumnick, who was known to associate with members of the Aryan Nations. Weaver told the investigators that neither he nor Kumnick were members of the Aryan Nations, and described Kumnick as “associated with the Covenant, Sword and Arm of the Lord.”[8] On February 28, 1985, Randy and Vicki Weaver filed an affidavit with the county courthouse alleging that their personal enemies were plotting to provoke the FBI into attacking and killing the Weaver family.[6] On May 6, 1985, Randy and Vicki Weaver sent a letter to President Ronald Reagan claiming that Weaver’s enemies may have sent the president a threatening letter under a forged signature. No evidence of a threatening letter surfaced; however, the 1985 letter was cited by the prosecutor in 1992 as Overt Act 7 of the Weaver family conspiracy against the federal government.”

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:56pm

      For the ignorant among you, “Aryan Nations” is polite for “white supremacists.”
      ***

      I am & most other here are a\much less ignorant than you are 3rd Archon.

      I let my kids know that the Aryan Nation considers them “mud people”. I also let them know that black racists like university professor Leonard Jeffries considers them “ice people”. I also told my kids what to do in case the chips are down.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:58pm

      civilwarcometh

      Very nice link to the story at weaselzippers. I just might have to make that site regular reading. Thx.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 9:02pm

      You might try reading 2RD ARCHON

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge

      Maybe Weaver visited the Aryan /Nations because he became antigovernment after being harassed by the BATF & FBI after Terry Kinnison sicced them on him?

      Will I get an answer to any of my posts? I have a little better chance than from most leftwingers at this site. Will your post make any sense? Very doubtful.

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    • katzkiner
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 9:43pm

      Weaver was a white separatist, big difference. If you don’t approve move to Chicago. Ironically, he thought his family would be safe in the sticks. The government tried to use him as an informant because he knew some people in the Nations. If they went after the gangs with energy they prosecute those white devils, there would be no drug trade in the USA. During the whole “civil rights” period 43 civil rights activists were killed by white racists. One is to many, but more die in Chicago every weekend. Not quite the genocide the fanfare would indicate. Blacks kill over 4000 white intimate partners every year, where is the outcry boys? Read the book, “White Girl Bleed a Lot”.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on January 30, 2013 at 7:50am

      katzkiner

      Good Post

      3rd Archon
      Being your usual dystonic self could not get ti together long enough to post a rebuttal.

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    • rochrealtor
      Posted on January 30, 2013 at 12:45pm

      “Third” why not shoot the black panthers?

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  • BlackCrow
    Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:31pm

    Glenn you must have been hitting the bottle pretty good in those days. It was Bill Clinton and his head of the Justice department Janet Reno who were responsible for both Ruby Ridge and Waco. I remember well and I was sober. You cannot hang those abuses on Republicans They were a justification for a DEMOCRATIC push for gun control just as Obama is USING Sandy Hook, Aurora et. al. as a justification for another push for gun control.

    Now listen to ME Mr. Obama, I have heard this all before and I shall redouble my efforts to ensure you FAIL in your attempts to trample the second amendment!!!

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:34pm

      republican party is not exactly the bastian of freedom. The game is rigged and the republican party is not on your side

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    • DonaldH
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 9:06pm

      Bush41 was president when Ruby went down..

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    • cgent47
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 9:21pm

      Ruby Ridge Date 21 to 31 August 1992=Bush Senior President.

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    • Galt45
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 9:34pm

      George H.W. Bush was President during Ruby Ridge, and Waco happened one month into Clinton’s Presidency. To be fair they can’t be blamed all on Clinton.

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    • Dismayed Veteran
      Posted on January 30, 2013 at 10:54am

      Black Crow

      George Sr was POTUS when Ruby Ridge happened (August 1992). Clinton became POTUS in January 1993.

      While both Ruby Ridge and Waco are both sad events, the fact is one happened under a Republican and the other under a Democrat.

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  • soybomb315_II
    Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:30pm

    if our government is tyrannical enough to conduct ruby ridge and waco…..

    Is it so crazy to think our government played a role in JFK, MLK, OK City, 9/11, etc?

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    • Smokey_Bojangles
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 9:56pm

      And Just Think. An Aging Hippie was able to convince some 20 something middle class kids he was Jesus Christ and to kill for him,and a militant Urban Terrorist(Bill Ayers type People) was able to convince a 19 year old multimillionaire heiress to become an Urban Terrorist and rob banks. She even shot at police,. The mind is weaker than what folks think.

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    • barber2
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 10:15pm

      And the Lefty hippies are crazier than one could imagine….especially when they have the support of the MSM !

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    • GoodStuff
      Posted on January 30, 2013 at 12:24am

      Soyboob, thank you again for showing your a complete loon.

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    • DontTreadOnMe7
      Posted on January 31, 2013 at 2:22pm

      I thought the timing of this show was kind of interesting… just last week Glenn told us there was NO WAY the government was involved in Sandy Hook, and this week he shows us that the government will indeed kill children if it meets their agenda. I’m not saying Sandy Hook was a hoax, but I am sad to say that I wouldn’t completely rule out the thought that there may be more than meets the eye. It horrifies me that I could entertain such thoughts, but the more I pay attention to current events and learn history, the more it makes me wonder.

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  • ChildofTheSixties
    Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:29pm

    Your an Idiot

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  • barber2
    Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:26pm

    Hmm. Seems that the topic of Waco has drawn out a Troll wacko.

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  • LakeHartwellSailor
    Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:21pm

    Great lesson to be learned from this. Trust no one.

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  • shogun459
    Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:17pm

    EXCUSE ME,
    But wasn’t Janet Reno BILL CLINTON’S creature?
    Didn’t Waco happen on Bill’s watch?

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  • DefyTYRANNY
    Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:13pm

    Waco happened on Bill Clinton’s/Janet Napolitano’ watch. Did I miss something, or was Bill Clinton a Republican and I did’nt even know it?!?

    How the h*** does that have anything to do with Republicans?

    I’ve heard people say things that don’t jive with what happened. Link to info regarding the siege:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege

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  • Uechi
    Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:13pm

    Helloi Blaze. Ruby Ridge was Republican, Waco was Democratic ( Bill Clinton) get you sh–! together!

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  • theBru
    Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:11pm

    1992, was the end of Mr NWO Bush himself, with Mr Mena Ark Clinton in 1993…so, does that say something about our 2 so said political parties? they are one in the same…the r’s represent the working folks, and the d’s represent the elites or the non-working folks, one is on welfare and the other is living off what their ancestors stole from someone else…so, how did Glen come to blame the gop for all of this??? it is called the NWO, Glen, please get it right and quit acting like the “other” media outlets…

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    • JimInTexas
      Posted on January 30, 2013 at 12:29am

      What it tells me is that the ATF is out of control regardless of what the political affiliation is of who is president. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Can anyone say ATF – IRS – EPA?

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  • ANTISOCIAL-IST
    Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:10pm

    waco = clinton and silverback’s twin sister reno.
    but as others have said, it doesn’t matter.

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    • ANTISOCIAL-IST
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:13pm

      also, our tiffany gabbay not only got this title wrong but she gets lots of things wrong, and they not only grammatical. i don’t know if she’s got an agenda or is just plain slow.

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on January 30, 2013 at 7:40am

      most of the articles around here are BS or shody reporting. That is the new glenn beck

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  • UNALIEN
    Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:10pm

    last Friday, farm inspectors arrived to confiscate 18 tons of cheese that Morningland Dairy had produced from raw milk. They were met by a small crowd which had gathered to show support for the family… and to denounce these agents of government for carrying out an immoral act on innocent people.

    It was all captured on video, including the police response.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MqSJKPW9-tA

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    • drs1969
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:20pm

      Dairy prices have been rigged since FDR. Our Constitution never called for an Agriculture Dept. It’s there to protect corporate farmers and distributors. There was a similar story, a few days ago on Drudge, about a store down in La. being forced to stop selling milk for $2.99 a gallon!

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:33pm

      agriculture and milk lobby is one of the most powerful

      you know the saying…..control the food and you control the people

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    • The Third Archon
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:37pm

      “It’s there to protect corporate farmers and distributors. There was a similar story,”
      One of the rare true things on the Blaze that I will wholeheartedly agree with.

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  • Galt45
    Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:10pm

    Both these incidents are examples of what can happen when out of control agencies with no oversight run amok. Regrettably, they could have happened during either Republican or Democrat administrations. The President’s party may change, but the bureaucracy keeps rolling along.

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  • TotallyNotATroll
    Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:02pm

    It really doesn’t matter whether they have a D or an R behind their name, power hungry politicians do bad things.

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:01pm

    The Federal government wants people to be afraid of it and being the victims of its wrath; the leaders of our nation no longer fear the people and thus have no morality or restraint holding them in place. With an amoral and inhumane president such as Obama, we will have no mercy shown to any of us when he strikes out at the ‘enemies of the state.’

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  • soybomb315_II
    Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:00pm

    if glenn is going to use ruby ridge and waco as his rallying cry – why does he trash Alex Jones, who has talked about these two events for decades

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    • CatB
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:10pm

      Did I miss something .. Waco .. was President Bill Clinton and Attorney General Janet Reno

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    • justangry
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:15pm

      I share your skepticism. Hope we’re wrong.

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    • Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:38pm

      I agree, The Dems controlled congress, and Bush Sr. signed it, then came Clinton. So how is the GOP responsible for this? Did Bush write the laws himself?

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    • GoodStuff
      Posted on January 30, 2013 at 12:27am

      “why does he trash Alex Jones”

      Two words….fetus burgers.

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    • Smokey_Bojangles
      Posted on January 30, 2013 at 7:01am

      Competition? Pizza Hut ain’t gonna say Papa John’s makes a good Pizza.

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  • Stelex
    Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:00pm

    Man oh Man…….its not left and right anymore. Its established progressive elite vs the rest of us. The pawns are the minorities, soon to be the majority, the enemy is the middle class American. America must fall. The progs have been shrewd and cunning and patient. Since the time of Woodrow Wilson they have plotted, nudged, and manipulated American society and the Constitution. My personal opinion is to freeze everything, eradicate every thing passed since 1910 and start over. It will never happen so 2 options are left. End of America or Revolution. IMHO

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:13pm

      dont vote for any more progressive republicans or socialist democrats. Break the cycle. Restart the system

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    • BODYBAG
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:29pm

      @STELEX
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:00pm
      Man oh Man…….its not left and right anymore. Its established progressive elite vs the rest of us. The pawns are the minorities, soon to be the majority, the enemy is the middle class American. America must fall. The progs have been shrewd and cunning and patient. Since the time of Woodrow Wilson they have plotted, nudged, and manipulated American society and the Constitution. My personal opinion is to freeze everything, eradicate every thing passed since 1910 and start over. It will never happen so 2 options are left. End of America or Revolution. IMHO.
      —————————————
      Spot on.
      I just wish someone would hurry up and get the party started.
      Let’s roll.

      The way I view this is once again a wussified populace. Like trying to slwoly remove the band-aid
      so it doesnt hurt. My personal MO has always been “lets just get it over with”. The sooner we get the bad stuff taken care of the sooner we can start enjoy freedom again.

      Take a plier and break that rotten tooth out of the jaw — 2 -3 days later no more pain.

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    • UNALIEN
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:39pm

      SOYBOMB315_II

      did you hear Beck called for a third party today..

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:54pm

      yea he did so after the 2008 election as well. But when push comes to shove, he tears down the idea of other people voting 3rd party. Beck couldnt even stand the idea of a republican outsider like Ron Paul, Newt, or Herman Cain

      I will believe Beck when he actually does something about it

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    • UNALIEN
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 9:04pm

      @SOYBOMB315_II

      he was kidding then, this is serious he was trashing the Republicans and praising Rand Paul…

      I think Rand is positioning for a Presidential run…

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 11:12pm

      ok UNALIEN…..As if talking about 3rd party is something someone should be “kidding” about. If he kids about that, what else is he kidding on?

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  • Red Meat
    Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:00pm

    The GOP/Federal Government will betray you.

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    • drs1969
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:27pm

      And did, yet again last week, with another debt ceiling increase. One step closer to a failing dollar! Gold and silver are the money in the Constitution.

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  • BODYBAG
    Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:00pm

    “While Beck condemned Weaver’s involvement at any level with the Aryan Nation”

    I understand the concept of FREEDOM to mean FREEDOM.
    Its funny the way people tailor the concept to suit themselves and their own POV.

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    • Stelex
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:17pm

      http://www.infowars.com/psychiatry-to-label-entire-families-with-a-mental-disorder/

      I double checked …… they actually tried to get this through.

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    • Uechi
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:17pm

      Bull crap he said he didn’t agree with his affiliation with White Surpremacists didn’t say they didn’t have a right to their opinion. ” If neither breaks my leg or picks my pocket” who cares. Get your facts straight.

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    • Jedrin
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:56pm

      the affiliation charge is weak. If I said hi to a stranger on the street then I am affiliated with them? Same spin in this case that never panned out at trial but is still spread as truth. Disinformation perpetuated by Glenn. Besides who shot a woman wiht a baby in her hands? Those are the murders that need to be brought to justice, even at thie late date.

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    • BODYBAG
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 9:36pm

      @UECHI
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 8:17pm
      Bull crap he said he didn’t agree with his affiliation with White Surpremacists didn’t say they didn’t have a right to their opinion.
      ————————————————
      So explain to me why “White Supremacists” are viewed ANY differently than the NAACP or the Black Panthers?

      Black people openly support the latter 2 even though they are the racial equivalent of Aryans.
      White Supremacists are scorned by everyone —– especially whites.

      BTW I do not belong to any of these groups. But I question why one is branded as EXTREMELY racist and the other 2 are not.

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    • katzkiner
      Posted on January 29, 2013 at 10:13pm

      The Feds wanted Weaver to GET involved with the Nations so he could be an informant . Not a wise thing for man who cares for his family. They came in with the usual shock and awe attitude and got their azzs shot off. Then they got angry and vindictive, the courts gave Weaver $3.5 million because of government wrongdoing. Big Sis has a worse attitude than Reno had. God help us. Feds remember, no one can hear you yell Federal Agent once you fire your weapon. Yell before you fire unless you just want to murder some people.

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    • dublinthewagons
      Posted on January 30, 2013 at 8:28am

      Jed. Obamee did more than shake hands will bill ayres and bernadine dohrn. They were know terrorists and their decoration of a state of war against the government.
      When they come for whatever reason. Turn yourself in peacefully or fight. You are still a dead martyr.
      Isn’t that right Glenn Beck. Ask MLK

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  • RoDogg
    Posted on January 29, 2013 at 7:58pm

    And… I say again ….. with the reason for the second amendment in mind ….. the worst thing people can do is background checks and registrations. It is also a very bad idea to mention any medical conditions etc.
    These will all be that “minor offense” that either gets your guns or life taken by the government.

    The government should not know anything about who has what.

    You want to know a REALLY weak gun charge about to affect millions???

    Hey!! your magazine holds too many rounds!

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  • The-Monk
    Posted on January 29, 2013 at 7:57pm

    Ruby Ridge…..

    That reminds me; I wonder what ever happened to/with Emerald City?

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