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Conservative’s Anti-Muhammad Ad Rejected by Detroit Transit System — But Can You Guess Which Ad Was Accepted?

Jan. 30, 2013 12:31pm Billy Hallowell

Religious advertisements have been known to spark intense debate. Consider the anti-God billboards that are regularly posted by non-theist groups like the Freedom From Religion Foundation and American Atheists. But it isn’t only non-believers who invoke controversy with their messaging.

Pamela Geller and her American Freedom Defense Initiative (AFDI) have also come under intense scrutiny for subway and bus ads that target Islamic extremism. Now, the AFDI is embroiled in a new battle over a proposed anti-Muhammad ad that was rejected this week by Detroit’s Suburban Mobility Authority for Regional Transportation (SMART) bus system.

In an e-mail to TheBlaze on Tuesday evening, the AFDI president noted that, while SMART previously accepted an “anti-God” atheist ad from the Detroit Coalition for Reason (DCOR), the public transit company has rejected her organization’s ad. This is particularly interesting, seeing as the AFDI modeled its design almost entirely after the DCOR’s banner.

“Our ad, same ad, with one word flipped, was rejected,” Geller told TheBlaze.

The original atheist design featured clouds and the words, “Don’t believe in God? You are not alone.” The organization’s web address was also present to the bottom left of the ad, sending Internet users to a web site that encourages people to “shine the light of reason” and to reject faith and religion.

Pamela Gellers Muhammad Ad Rejected By SMART System in Detroit, Atheist Anti God Ad Accepted

Photo Credit: Detroit Coalition of Reason

As you can see below, AFDI ad looks almost entirely similar to the aforementioned description. The only difference between the designs is that the word “God” is swapped out for “Muhammad,” the holy prophet in the Islamic faith. And the web address in the latter ad encourages those viewing it to go to TheTruthAboutMuhammad.com, a web site that wages some potentially-offensive allegations against the religious figure.

Photo Credit: American Freedom Defense Initiative

Obviously the similarities were intentional, with Geller telling TheBlaze that her quest to see the Muhammad ad get placed had everything to do with examining free speech as it applies to the Islamic faith.

“This message parallels the atheist ads — ‘Don’t Believe in God? You’re Not Alone’ — that ran previously,” she explained. “Since they were accepted, I modeled this ad after them to see if the freedom of speech applied to criticism of Islam in our cowardly and politically correct age.”

In a letter that Geller forwarded to TheBlaze, CBS Outdoor’s Howard Marcus rejected the ad, citing a past legal battle that AFDI waged against SMART over a previous rejection.

“The proposed advertisement submitted by Pamela Geller has been reviewed under SMART’s content policy. SMART, consistent with its review process, also reviewed the referred-to website: thetruthaboutmuhammed.com,” read Marcus’ e-mail. “Consistent with its policy, with the Sixth Circuit opinion in AFDI v SMART, and consistent with other law, SMART declines to post the advertisement.”

Geller, who is less-than-content with the decision not to allow the Muhammad ad, called SMART’s response to her request “sharia compliance in accordance with blasphemy laws under Islam.”

The previous case that is cited in the CBS Outdoor e-mail commenced in May 2007. It was a tangled debate surrounding another ad aimed at the Islamic faith. The legal war went back-and-forth for years, with the AFDI inevitably losing the latest phase of the battle. Here’s how Geller explained the free-speech court debacle in her e-mail to TheBlaze (a more intensive recap can be read here):

“SMART is the same government agency that refused to run our ‘Leaving Islam?’ ads that have helped many Muslim girls who want to lead more Western lives escape dangerous, devout households. When we tried to run them, SMART refused. We sued. We won. They appealed to the 6th circuit (sharia sensitive) court. The Sixth Circuit ruled in their favor having deemed ‘Leaving Islam?’ a political ad. It was a tortured and twisted ruling. We are, of course, appealing.”

Geller noted that her latest ad attempt was an effort to point out SMART’s “hypocrisy,” as the two parties are slated to head back to court. She said that the latest rejection does, indeed, showcase inconsistencies in how messaging is treated and pledged to “fight on.”

The AFDI is no stranger to legal battles, with the AFDI v. SMART case serving as only one example. Last year, New York City’s Metropolitan Transit Authority lost a separate legal battle over another ad and was forced to allow Geller’s group to post it following a judge’s ruling.

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Detroit paperboy
Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:43pm
We will soon be the United states of Detroit…………. Democrats and welfare zombies…….

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calmdownplease
Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:41pm
No wonder you conservoblog people have a reputation for being isolated in some scary Deliverance-esque backwater with no education or world experience. You are apparently chiefly responsible for perpetuating the stereotype yourselves! ALL of these United States are integral to our country, including my beautiful state of Michigan. Which, by the way, is considered conservative on most fronts and is a favorite among hunters. Ever been here?

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- CatB
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 2:02pm
  Born, Raised and LEFT … Hometown .. birthplace of the Republican Party … also have a friend who is in the State Legislature … anymore questions ???? Granholm blew me away!
  
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- CatB
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 2:05pm
  That was for CALMDOWNPLEASE … once again posts are not going where they should .. hope this one does ;-)
  
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IslandAtheist
Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:35pm
It should read “Don’t believe in Allah , you are not alone.” Mohammad was only a prophet.

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- The Jewish Avenger
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:46pm
  Thought: Why is it you never hear of these militant atheist group ever attack “Allah” (One True God)?
  
  If its good for the goose, its good for the gander…
  
  But good point…
  
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- Copo
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 3:30pm
  There is massive evidence that the Muhammad of Islamic tradition did not exist. The Muhammad which probably existed was more than likely an Arian who created a new papist sect (the only account of him within a decade of his lifetime said he claimed to wield the keys of heaven, imagery which does not exist in Islam but is prevalent in Catholic sects.) as evidenced by the fact that Islamic coins originally bore crosses, then crosses and shahada, and finally just the shahada. Read the book did Muhammad exist by Robert Spencer and make connections based on your knowledge of history and do outside research of it
  
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- AndYetItMoves
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 5:19pm
  How lovely to see a religious person questioning the historicity of an alleged prophet. Now if only you could take that intellectual honesty a step further… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
  
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- usedCZARsalesman
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 5:34pm
  ANDY…did YOU read that Wiki article? It basically says that EVERYTHING we find biblically about Jesus was TRUE. They cannot confirm or deny miracles, but birth, life, location, baptism, religious influence, crucifixion…ALL TRUE!
  
  What was your point, again?
  
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- sinajudge
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 8:27pm
  @Andy: You mean the article that specifically says “Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed, and most biblical scholars and classical historians see the theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted.” Your argument is invalid and ignorant. Questioning the existence of Jesus or Mohammad is historically inaccurate.
  
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- AndYetItMoves
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 9:25pm
  I suppose I should have known better than to assume that the average blazer knows the difference between ‘historicity’ and ‘existence.’ I don’t deny that a charismatic rabbi who fits the mold probably existed, but without the virgin birth, the miracles, or the resurrection, I find him to be about half as interesting and wise as the Buddha, Socrates, or Confucius. This is what educated people mean by historicity.
  
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HavocK
Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:35pm
Reinstate the HUAC.

In 1947, the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC) brought the Cold War home in another way. The committee began a series of hearings designed to show that communist subversion in the United States was alive and well.
In Hollywood, HUAC forced hundreds of people who worked in the movie industry to renounce left-wing political beliefs and testify against one another. More than 500 people lost their jobs. Many of these “blacklisted” writers, directors, actors and others were unable to work again for more than a decade. HUAC also accused State Department workers of engaging in subversive activities. Thousands of federal employees were investigated, fired and even prosecuted. As this anticommunist hysteria spread throughout the 1950s, liberal college professors lost their jobs, people were asked to testify against colleagues and “loyalty oaths” became commonplace.
Without going into it any further, wasn’t the USA still prosperous as an industrial country in exportation of domestic products? Wasn’t the USA still producing jobs in this country and not having to ship them overseas?
Now, it seems like the democrat left wing liberal idiots are at it again. Seems the HUAC should be reinstated and put back into action. The ‘Hollywood’ crowd seems unaware of their actions and/or beliefs and should be held accountable.

Just saying…

-A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer’s hand.” — Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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- charliesouth
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:59pm
  You have got to be fake. You are SO patriotitc that you want to abolish the first amendment? Makes perfect sense, guy!
  
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- BigPistol
  Posted on February 11, 2013 at 6:05pm
  Dead on. The very reason Ronald Reagan got into politics for the one reason, to fight the infiltration of Communism in the USA. Regan took the fight to them.
  
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rochrealtor
Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:32pm
2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

3 “You shall have no other gods before[a] me.

4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

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AUsername
Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:29pm
good, one was trying to pick a fight with another faith and start a religious war. and the accepted one was offering freedom and protection from religious authoritarians.

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- charliesouth
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:36pm
  Yes!
  
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- The Jewish Avenger
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:40pm
  So atheism isnt a religion?
  
  Then why push their belief to the public eye?
  
  I’m afraid you contradicted yourself.
  
  It favoritism, nothing less.
  
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- AUsername
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:50pm
  Action triggers a Reaction. when christians go around yapping to random folks minding their own business who don’t care about fairy tales to get them to go away you gotta tell them either your not interested in submitting to something non existant or you know that it doesn’t exist and it comes to a point where a poster can keep more away than your voice can.
  
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- qualityrkc
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 2:53pm
  Jewish avenger atheism is not a belief system. It is simply stating you do not believe in something. Choosing not to drive a car is not a form of driving a car, understand what I am saying? you also forget the familial pressure some atheists feel in remaining in the closet. This is especially true for some parts of the south. When a person believes their family member will be going to hell for all eternity for refusing to accept the notion of all powerful deitys you will be amazed at the lengths they will go to bring this person back to Jesus. It is very hard for people to choose to face public ostracization for simply stating their disbelief in something supernatural. Sometimes it is easier for them to just stay quiet and pretend to believe. The atheist ads were meant to make these people see that they are not alone and that there are alot of people who don’t/can’t believe in a god either and that it doesnt make sense to pretend to believe bc there is nothing to be ashamed of. It was an uplifting message to atheists not meant to be an insult to religious people. On the other hand, Pam Gellars ad like everything else she does is soaked in hate abd bigotry and is not constructive or uplifting to anyone.
  
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- Oz_deist
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 7:55pm
  Yes, it is favouritism and it’s garbage. Not only that, but you totally missed the point. It’s not a “religious war”, it’s an ideological debate between Islam and secularism.
  
  You say “Action triggers a Reaction” and yet there are many public atheists who attack religion without the provocations. Richard Dawkins comments in his published materials that faith schools should be banned or restricted. What did the faith schools ever do to provoke him? It’s simply none of his business what the faith schools do, just as it was never Stalin’s business to destroy churches and persecute the clergy.
  
  And so another atheist justifies the aggression because of “familial pressure some atheists feel”. Well what about the pressure we feel when Islamist groups such a CAIR guilt-trip the weak government into appeasing their minority further? What about the political ramifications of sharia courts? free speech? The reality is that our political concerns are of far more importance than your petty lifestyle issues. Your family doesn’t accept atheists? Fine, leave your family and marry an atheist. That is your right. Yet if the Islamists have their way, you won’t have any lifestyle rights.
  
  It is your right to tell religious people how stupid they are just as much as it’s Geller’s right to criticise a religion specifically. It’s called free speech. The only real bigotry is that one form of criticism was banned for being more “offensive” than another form of criticism.
  
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HavocK
Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:22pm
Some quotes that say it all.

-It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible. – George Washington
-Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. – John Adams

-The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. – Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV)
-A wise man’s heart is at his right hand; but a fool’s heart at his left. – Ecclesiastes 10, 2 (KJV)
-The heart of the wise is at his right hand, but the heart of the stupid at his left hand. – Ecclesiastes 10, 2 (New World Translation)

-For fools speak folly, their hearts are bent on evil: They practice ungodliness and spread error concerning the Lord; the hungry they leave empty and from the thirsty they withhold water. Isa 32,6 (NIV)
-For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the LORD, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail. Isa 32, 6 (KJV)
-because the senseless one himself will speak mere senselessness, and his very heart will work at what is hurtful, to work at apostasy and to speak against Jehovah what is wayward, to cause the soul of the hungry one to go empty, and he causes even the thirsty one to go without drink itself. Isa 32, 6 (New World Translation

GOD warned about democrat left wing liberal idiots, and there were NO muslim signatures on the

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- HavocK
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:34pm
  There were NO muslim signatures on the Declaration of Independence!!!
  
  (sorry, my rant ran out of room)
  
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- charliesouth
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:42pm
  “It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.” -GW never said that.
  
  The question before the human race is, whether the God of nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles?
  – John Adams, to Thomas Jefferson, June 1815
  
  As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?
  – John Adams, to FA Van der Kamp, December 1816
  
  Let the human mind loose. It must be loose. It will be loose. Superstition and dogmatism cannot confine it.
  – John Adams, to his son, John Q. Adams, November 1816
  
  “As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims] … it is declared … that no pretext arising from religious opinion shall ever product an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries….
  “The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation.”
  – Treaty of Tripoli (1797), carried unanimously by the Senate and signed into law by John Adams
  
  All your Ecclesiastes quotes and the rest…you can’t quote the very resource you’re trying to affirm through politics. You’re e
  
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- qualityrkc
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 3:32pm
  You seem to have focused more on the individuals signing the declaration rather than actually understanding their intent. No asian people signed the declaration of inependance either. Does this mean that people born in america of asian ancestry are less American? You people are the least patriotic people I know. This country was not made for only white religious people!
  
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cdn1979
Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:22pm
it’s not just the content of the ad, it’s the intent as well. the first ad, albeit dumb was a certain point of view. The second one, even though they are trying to get across a point of view have purposely done this to get a reaction and a negative one at that.

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rpw4547
Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:17pm
One thing is for sure. One second after an atheist dies, he or she will believe in God but it will be too late and Hell will be their terrifying world.

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- SovereignSoul
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 2:00pm
  If it is indeed, “for sure” could you please offer some proof?
  
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- charliesouth
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 2:06pm
  Define “for sure”. You obviously can’t.
  
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- SovereignSoul
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 2:23pm
  ‘for sure’ – provable and without any doubt
  
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- qualityrkc
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 3:50pm
  Why would we want to spend eternity with someone who would torment us for all of time for not believing in him bc he hid so well? lol figured I would throw in some real life logic there but its not like it matters bc there is no heaven or hell. Extreme claims require evidence. If you are gunna say we are “for sure” gunna be burning in hell then I think you should provide some evidence…but you cannot.
  
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THX-1138
Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:17pm
Hypocrisy in Detroit? Why, I’ve never *heard* of such a thing!

(“Your winnings, sir.”)

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123456beatriz
Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:15pm
I don’t understand the Media to defend so much the muslims If they HATE the animals right. Media you are HYPOCRITES!

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NHwinter
Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:09pm
There are very sinister forces at work in America and they are using the Communist inspired PC model to do the work for them. It is so wide spread that I wonder if, at this point, it can even be stopped. People are so stupid when they haven’t read history. Wake up!

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- charliesouth
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 2:08pm
  lololololol
  
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jackact
Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:02pm
Justice Scalia is right, the Constitution is ‘dead’.
Wake up America – its almost too late.
Sharia Law and amnesty for 20 million illegals is coming soon.

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LeadNotFollow
Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:00pm
Muhammad hated dogs.
Muslims do not approve of dogs as house pets.
They believe dogs are unclean.

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- Cavallo
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:05pm
  Because dogs can smell evil. They don’t want to rat themselves out.
  
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- lani59
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:09pm
  Detroit is a cesspool and will be the first American city to implode with riots and chaos. Only a matter of time as theres no money.
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:13pm
  My dog attempts to piss on the laptop whenever it sees a Jihad Jerk post.
  
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ginger100
Posted on January 30, 2013 at 12:50pm
They should run an ad quoting the prezzy “a more perfect union”. 666 symbolizes extreme imperfection. just like the city of detroit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_More_Perfect_Union_%28speech%29

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banjarmon
Posted on January 30, 2013 at 12:50pm
“sharia compliance in accordance with blasphemy laws under Islam.”
It’s time to impeach any judge that uses the sharia law to determine AMERICAN LAW!!!

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toto
Posted on January 30, 2013 at 12:50pm
Thank you Ms. Geller. You are a brave and valiant lady. We out here in the wilderness of reason applaud.

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Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on January 30, 2013 at 12:49pm
I wonder if the atheists can run “Jews are pigs and Apes” ad, as long as they don’t mention Mohammad?

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- EgbertThrockmorton
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 12:57pm
  I have ZERO respect or “tolerance” for the American Muslims who are willingly choosing to not call out their fellow Jihadi congregrants.
  Since they so willingly choose to NOT say anything against their fellow Muslims their silence screams their hatred of anyone not espousing or following Isla’am.
  So be it. I will be a willing Crusader and unashamed.
  
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- Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:09pm
  I have no problem with tolerance, but this is just becoming supression against Christians.
  
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am123
Posted on January 30, 2013 at 12:48pm
In a politically correct western society, anything that degrades or blasphemes Christianity or Judaism is not only allowed, but encouraged. But when it comes to Islam, telling the truth is not allowed. Islam is only allowed to be portrayed with propaganda in a favorable light.

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- momrules
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:11pm
  AM123………..Yes. Lucifer does protect his own and the spirit of the antichrist is hovering over the planet.
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:16pm
  This is true
  and SMART
  is foolish/stupid
  and Detroit
  is blessed by god
  notice the LITTLE g
  cause he’s the wannabe
  
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- am123
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:22pm
  @NAGESH – Thanks for spreading the truth however unwelcome it is by the politically correct among us.
  
  @MOMRULES- Indeed. Jesus told us a time would come where those who killed Christians would think they are serving God by doing so. And Revelation 20:4 speaks of Christians who have been beheaded in the end times. One doesn’t need to be a rocket scientist to figure out who would behead Christians and that Islam will be part of the empire of the beast.
  
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- GetRight
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 2:49pm
  Just read an interesting and frightening book called The Islamic Antichrist by Joel Richardson. He discusses the parallel and opposite end times prophecy between the Bible and the koran. I recommend.
  
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IMCHRISTIAN
Posted on January 30, 2013 at 12:48pm
They are so afraid of God that the atheists just can’t refrain from thinking of Him. If I was an employee of the Transit Co. I would quit before I would work for a company that had no faith. There are a lot of people looking for work in Detroit…maybe they should pray.

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spfoam1
Posted on January 30, 2013 at 12:48pm
How long before the muslims there demand their own territory there, separated from the US, and the UN tries to back them up? I smell a new Gaza.

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- oldguy49
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 12:57pm
  dearborn , michigan
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:12pm
  What OldGuy said. Was out in Dearborn over the summer and it was an eye opener. Land of the Jihad Jerks.
  
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- ofass
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:13pm
  Yes, Jerky boy can move his guns and stuff from Gaza to there. He will really feel at home.
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 2:15pm
  Jihad Jerk will be embraced and put on a pedestal in Dearborn. Like minds.
  
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Elena2010
Posted on January 30, 2013 at 12:47pm
I believe that Mohammad was the prophet of Allah. I also believe that Allah is just another name for Lucifer.

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- engineerairborne
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 12:59pm
  One has to start to wonder if you are not correct.
  
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- momrules
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:07pm
  Elena……..I believe that too.
  
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- jcldwl
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:24pm
  @ Elena
  Yes you are correct. Islam is the complete polar opposite of Christianity. They practice a faith that is bent on the destruction of Judaism and Christianity. It is Satan at work pure and simple. I get so tired of people saying we worship the same god. Nope we do not. We worship the one true living God. Oh and The Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, along with us followers, win in the end. Mohammed is dead. Jesus lives.
  
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- Spitfire1938
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:33pm
  Interesting… Mohammed was not profit. “Allah” was worshiped for many centuries before Islam by Pagan Arabs who recognized “Allah” as the name of the chief god in their pantheon, the Kaaba, with it’s 360 other idols. After establishing “Allah” as the ‘one’ god of Islam Mohammed made the rest up and established a totalitarian expansionist militaristic seditious political system that legitimized his greed and penchant for sleeping with children. It’s not a religion; it is, as you aptly describe, a Satanic Cult!
  
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dealer@678
Posted on January 30, 2013 at 12:46pm
And they wonder why Detroit is now considered a third world city

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- pavepaws
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 12:53pm
  Sounds like another lawsuit pending.
  
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nonofmybiznez
Posted on January 30, 2013 at 12:45pm
“anti-God” atheist ads have one reason for existing. To vilify and ostracize believers or anyone who might even consider becoming a believer. Our society today is fully of bullying tactics. We are bullied if we disagree with someone. It teaches others around the one being bullied that if they too want to disagree, they will be vilified as well.

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- DeavonReye
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 4:45pm
  Uh, . . . no. Not the reason you suggest. The country is FULL of church goers. Nothing wrong with that. However, if you ARE a non-religious person, it is hard to find connections with others [something that the church goer enjoys the luxury of on a weekly basis]. It is okay to have something that shows where a person CAN go if they are non-religious. If you [as a religious person] take the billboard personally, then that is your issue. Right?
  
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- usedCZARsalesman
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 8:29pm
  Why do you NEED to connect with other atheists? There are millions of “religious people” that never go to church and have no “religious contact” with anyone…many of them live just fine. It’s almost like there is something gnawing at your soul, telling you you’re wrong, and you need other atheists to tell you it’s ok
  
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CatB
Posted on January 30, 2013 at 12:41pm
Detroit … DEARBORN .. must not upset the Muslims .. Christians don’t count. So glad I moved OUT of Michigan.

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- SacredHonor1776
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 12:46pm
  I believe that Muhammed existed. I just don’t think he was a ‘prophet’.
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:07pm
  “So glad I moved OUT of Michigan.”
  Wise man. It’s a cesspool.
  
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- CatB
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 1:50pm
  Yes …. it is depressing also .. each time I go back to visit it is worse .. skipped last year .. I still have a cottage in the northern lower peninsula but only going back for two weeks this summer … for my class reunion and visit friends .. not even staying in my cottage because won’t be there long enough to justify having to turn on water and then winterize again. New governor is trying … but the unions are fighting him … .at least they did get RTW (right to work) but they are trying to overturn in the courts.
  
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- earache-my-eye
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 8:54pm
  Sorry you left,CATB, but you’tr right.With Dearbornistan on the citys western border you know there would be violence in the future.
  
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