Gun control might be all the rage at the federal level, but states appear to be less willing to play along. As Exhibit A, this Monday, the Arkansas State Senate okayed a law that would allow Arkansas residents to carry their guns in church. The bill still has to be approved by the House and singed into law, but it’s cleared its first hurdle.
The Huffington Post reports:
The Arkansas state Senate voted Monday by a margin of 28-4 to pass a bill that would allow concealed guns in churches, reports ABC local affiliate KATV.
The bill, called the Church Protection Act of 2013 (SB 71), was authored by Arkansas state Sen. Bryan King (R-Green Forest) and would repeal the current ban on concealed handguns in churches or other places of worship.[...]
If the bill becomes law, only those with a permit for concealed carry would be allowed to bring a gun inside Arkansas’ churches. And even so, individual churches will have the freedom to decide for themselves whether or not to allow firearms inside their doors.
“I can’t imagine the need to bring a gun into a church. I just think thats unnecessary, and I think it sends a terrible message,” said Rev. Walter Van Zandt Windsor, pastor of Trinity Episcopal Church in Pine Bluff, Ark., during a phone interview with The Huffington Post. “Religion can be an emotional thing in people’s lives. I would hate to see guns present when people’s emotions are running high.”
USA Today has more on reaction to the bill:
State Sen. Bryan King, a Republican, said the “The Church Protection Act” would provide each church “an individual decision on what they want to do for security,” according to Arkansas Online.
Sen. Linda Chesterfield, a Democrat, said she was “trying to wrap my head around how we get Jesus Christ being nonviolent and churches as a house of prayer.”
“If there was one person who was antiviolent, it was my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ,” said Chesterfield, who opposed the measure.
However, for all the fuss, this sort of law is not unheard of, though it is relatively uncommon. Colorado, Louisiana, Kentucky and Virginia also support the practice, and public support for it has been a point of religious activists at organizations like the Family Research Council for a while. In other words, Arkansas would join a small, but by no means insignificant group of states by legalizing the practice.
No evidence presently exists to suggest that any of these states have suffered an increased amount of church-related gun violence.






















































































































Comments (73)
busterpuddles
Jan. 30, 2013 at 8:31pmIt’s appropriate for this bill to be ‘singed’ or hymned into law. (editing mistake or intentional?) If you’ve been keeping up with news, you’ll know that there have been several church shootings across the land in the past several years and I personally believe it’s only going to become more frequent. I am aware of one church that has a select group of well trained, CHLed people that are strategically placed during church services for this very reason. I would not be surprised if there are more.
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OlderCowGirl
Jan. 30, 2013 at 9:57pmI didn’t know that it might be illegal to conceal carry in churches. I too have heard about the church shootings. I’ll have to ask my pastor if he cares if I carry…
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Chuck Stein
Jan. 31, 2013 at 4:14amMy church doesn’t allow guns — technically speaking. However, a uniforned (and armed) police officer attends regularly. Other places I have lived have had FBI agents (who alos have guns at all times). Not going to say what church I attend — keep the bad guys guessing!
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A_CALL_TO_CONSCIENCE
Jan. 31, 2013 at 9:06amI thought it was up to each Church to decide if it was ok or not?
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Freedomlover_US
Feb. 10, 2013 at 10:22pmArkansas – Church – Concealed Weapon.
The Holy Trinity of stupid
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Glenn Jericho
Jan. 30, 2013 at 8:27pmIt’s also legal to carry at places of worship in Ohio, ALTHOUGH the default position of the law is that it is illegal to carry in church unless the church governance chooses to allow guns. Sort of the opposite of most restaurant-carry laws, where you are allowed by default to carry unless posted otherwise.
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henryKnox
Jan. 31, 2013 at 12:09amI thought people were so insistent on the separation of church and state. What business is it of the gov’t whether a church allows people to carry guns. I would think it would be totally up to the church. Since when does our gov’t reside over our churches. Maybe this country is farther gone than I thought!
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Jeremy
Jan. 31, 2013 at 10:53amI currently live in PA and I personally know of about 15 people (including me and my Pastor) who carry every time they are at my church I lived in Ohio before and the church I attended there also had people carry.
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tajloc
Jan. 31, 2013 at 1:06pmDuh
Its not up to the church, stae leg,sheriff,city chief, school admin, etc., etc.
It is up to you. One does not need to advertise but YOU get to choose.
The rabbit goes to ground but he has teeth.
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denkat56
Jan. 30, 2013 at 7:35pmLook out all you criminals, the church is armed.
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HOOT_OWL
Jan. 30, 2013 at 7:20pmA responsible gun owner who carried his firearm everywhere .
Decided to go to church one Sunday.
The pastor found out and told the man ..“That God will protect us”
And to please take his firearm home…!
So the man obliged the pastor not wanting to offend him .
So he left the church and went home.
During the church service a thief robbed the church and shot and killed the pastor in the process .
When the pastor got to heaven he asked God …Why didn’t you protect me and my church from the thief…?
With a firm voice God told him.. I sent you protection and YOU sent him home..!
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Ezekiel2230
Jan. 30, 2013 at 7:05pmI find this article interesting because I actually had an experience with this issue when GW Bush was running for re-election.
I received a phone polling question (obviously from a liberal group). The woman on the line said, “do you know that George Bush is thinking of allowing people in Texas to carry guns into churches?”
My response? “Well, if I would feel safe with any group of people carrying guns, I think it would be those going to church.”
I never got any follow-up questions.
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Ghandi was a Republican
Jan. 30, 2013 at 7:11pmPerfect..
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sandrunner
Jan. 30, 2013 at 7:00pmSen. Linda Chesterfield, a Democrat…if she tries to quote scripture, needs remain silent…your words is a stumble to others. because Christ said that life begins at conception…yet you and your Democrats allow for the murders of millions of unborn children under the premise of a women choice. Do not dare speak of violence…you are the one that hide behind love but you are of hate and evil.
We have the God given right to protect the ones we love.
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“Sen. Linda Chesterfield, a Democrat, said she was “trying to wrap my head around how we get Jesus Christ being nonviolent and churches as a house of prayer.”
“If there was one person who was antiviolent, it was my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ,” said Chesterfield, who opposed the measure.”
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RadicallyRIGHT
Jan. 30, 2013 at 7:18pm“But now,” he said, “take your money and a traveler’s bag. And if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one!” Luke 22:36 NLT
Self defense is a necessary violence. Jesus did not condone unjustified violence, but rather self defense.
You may say going 75 mph through town is wreckless and a criminal act, but if your child was slowly bleeding to death and you could not wait for an ambulance are you still a criminal? The tables turn when there is a life on the line and if you want to get technical about Christianity the Holy Bible clearly states that no man has authority to rule over another. Nobody has the power to regulate self defense.
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nancyray73
Jan. 30, 2013 at 8:12pmThank-you. Each time a progressive says something about the horror of gun violence or other such things we need to remind them of the 300,000 plus legal murders called abortion they support every year.
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freeboulder
Jan. 30, 2013 at 6:56pmPlain clothes off duty security guard stops active shooter in Colorado church
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Colorado_YWAM_and_New_Life_shootings
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2GodBeTheGlory
Jan. 30, 2013 at 6:55pmVirginia is legal if you have reason. I have carried many times into church, however, not often.
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Fubared
Jan. 30, 2013 at 8:12pmAmen, here too. What gets me is the “allowed” part, as if carrying properly concealed would let “them” know in the first place.
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Scaredfuzz
Jan. 30, 2013 at 9:50pmThe AG of VA wrote a decision that self-defense is reason enough to carry in VA.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/53261846/Virginia-s-Attorney-General-Kenneth-T-Cuccinelli-II-Opinion-on-Church-Carry
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2GodBeTheGlory
Jan. 30, 2013 at 10:39pm@Scaredfuzz
I do like Cuccinelli and wish that he was the Governor instead of the Rino that is in now. Cuccinelli seems to be more like the founders than any of the politicians that I’ve seen.
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TOUGHTEXASMAMA
Jan. 30, 2013 at 6:26pmDaingerfield, TX First Baptist Church, June 22, 1980, 15 shot, 5 dead. Ft Worth, TX Wedgewood Baptist Church, September 15, 1999, 7 dead. Yeah, we sometimes need to carry a gun into church for self defense…sadly.
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busterpuddles
Jan. 30, 2013 at 8:38pmOne small city, one big city. It could happen anywhere.
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5tango6
Jan. 31, 2013 at 12:51pmIf you have your CHL and your church doesn’t post the 30.06 notice, in Texas you are legal to conceal carry. If a church official asks you to leave, you must comply, but if you conceal correctly, no one should know that you are armed.
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BigPinkKnipples
Mar. 2, 2013 at 6:59pmWow … Don’t want to give a bad sermon there..
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avgconservative
Jan. 30, 2013 at 6:22pmHaving been a pastor in Little Rock, I can tell you that the police did not enforce this law, unless someone was shot on church property… no one ever was. The law in Arkansas was done after the Colorado church shootings, when the legislature was run by stupid Democrats.
It has been one of the main anchors to get rid of the Democrat majority in both the House and Senate along with the Governor. One of the most stupid laws ever done by a bunch of STUPID Democrats.
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Hermit-The-Crab
Jan. 31, 2013 at 9:14amI think this also brings up the real point of laws like this. Some would like to frame this in the argument of “Do guns have any place at a Church?” when in reality, the issue is “Should the government be able to prohibit people from doing otherwise legal things in their own church?”
Amendment 1 of the US Constitution states in part: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”
So, there is no reason for the government to ban concealed carry, which is already legal elsewhere, based solely on the religious affiliation of the property or location. If the Church wants to ban concealed carry on their property, they already have that right as a property owner. Indeed, it seems that by creating a ban based solely on religious affiliation it is a violation of the 1st amendment because there are churches, like those that @avgconservative mentioned that would want to allow concealed carry as they otherwise freely exercise their religion.
avgconservative
Jan. 31, 2013 at 1:26pm@Hermit
My greatest fear, while preaching, was knowing that everyone in church were law-abiding citizens. No one carried a weapon. AND the criminal element who lived around our building KNEW IT also! We were ripe for the pickings. They knew no one would have a gun!
At least, getting rid of this dumb law will put the question back in the equation.
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AllisonWunderland
Jan. 30, 2013 at 6:21pmAnd so when you make churches “gun free zones” — like schools — you set up a “soft target” for the crazies. Don’t need your gun in church? How about you don’t feel it’s appropriate to leave your firearm in the truck while you’re inside at services?
My current gripe is that the VA — we served under arms, defending the Constitution and RKBA — prohibits firearms and knives (or other “weapons”) stored securely, unloaded, in vehicles on VA hospital campuses. I may not need concealed carry at the VA, but I resent that I’m deprived of this LAWFUL option when driving the 250 miles round-trip to get VA medical care.
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BigPinkKnipples
Mar. 2, 2013 at 7:23pmHoooHaaa. Lets be like down under! They took all there guns….Now they just use knifes for the same crimes and suicide. No thanks…
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RWGN
Jan. 30, 2013 at 5:52pmI’ve had a conceal carry license for over 10 years and never had to pull my weapon, but it’s always with me. I also have home owners insurance and had to us it once in 50 years, and car insurance that I haven’t had to use in over ten years.
What’s the point… I’d rather have my insurance (weapon or whatever) and not need it then not have it and need it.
I attend a church that has a membership of over 12,000 (mostly conservatives) and it’s estimated around 50% are licensed to carry, can’t tell you how many do, but in the 13 years I’ve been attending they have not had a problem with weapons, parking maybe…
C.L.E.E.T. Certified and Conceal Carry Licensed
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Bro Geo Too
Jan. 30, 2013 at 7:26pm`
Amen “R”, Amen!
Proverbs 27:12.
If you have the time, check out the link below from http://www.preparedchristian.net
http://preparedchristian.net/should-christians-practice-self-defense/#.UQm5oGezZQM
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Mr. H.
Jan. 31, 2013 at 3:44pmI’ve concealed carried since 1985, when I was shot at, at a shopping center. I’ve pulled out my CC weapon 5 times. 3 times at convenience stores late at night simply having the gun out convinced an armed robber to flee. Once an armed robber pointed his gun at me and was rewarded with 3 rounds in the chest, and he still didn’t die, but he was arrested. And the last time, was a car-jacking, and I shot that idiot through the driver’s door, and his accomplice through the passenger window. They both lived, but just barely, and neither is in shape to do much due to the bullets hitting their spinal nerve.
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GuruMeditation
Jan. 30, 2013 at 5:27pmI carry into any church I go into, among other places.
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okaaay
Jan. 30, 2013 at 5:25pmTo me, it is utterly ridiculous to have any gun free zones at all. That’s just an invitation to a wood-be shooter to go for it. The first place a shooter is going to go is the place where others are not armed.
I know of several churches who have retired police officers or military who carry concealed weapons for the protection of the people there.
There have been too many attacks on people in worship to not be thinking about it. If you don’t, you are naive.
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BigPinkKnipples
Mar. 2, 2013 at 9:14pmI know another place like that. A common sense free-zone. Washington D.C.
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tyuchic
Jan. 30, 2013 at 5:08pmof course it should be unnecessary in church. it should be unnecessary everywhere. it should be unnecessary at an elementary school in connecticut, too. it’s a shame that it is, in fact, necessary, or at least advisable, anywhere you are. the world is not, nor will be anytime soon, perfect.
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MyThoughtsAreFree
Jan. 30, 2013 at 5:07pmYou forgot Florida, no prohibition here….
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valiant1776
Jan. 30, 2013 at 5:00pm“And the men of Israel, beside Benjamin, were numbered four hundred thousand men that drew sword: all these were men of war. And the children of Israel arose, and went up to the house of God, and asked counsel of God, and said, Which of us shall go up first to the battle against the children of Benjamin? And the LORD said, Judah shall go up first.” Judges 20:17-18
If the Israelites entered the house of God armed with weapons, and God did not denounce their action, surely he won’t decry my means of self defense when I enter into ‘his house’.
Our whole American revolution and armed defense against tyranny was fought on the basis of our believe in a Righteous and holy cause and our duty to guard our unalienable God given rights. Independence, self-government, establishment of justice and resistance to Tyranny was preached on the altars throughout the colonies. Many Preachers joined forces with the Patriots and rallied the communities together in time of war. At no time did the American colonists believe our Religion and right to Arms to be in disagreement and repulsive one to another.
“Peter Muhlenberg (1746-1807) was the prime example of a “fighting parson” during the Revolutionary War. Young Muhlenberg at the conclusion of a sermon in January 1776 to his congregation in Woodstock, Virginia, threw off his clerical robes to reveal the uniform of a Virginia militia officer.”
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel03.html
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valiant1776
Jan. 30, 2013 at 4:51pmIf carrying guns to church was alright for the pilgrims, it’s alright with me.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nyhistory/6963636110/
Painting: George Boughton – “Early Puritans of New England Going to Church”
I don’t mind if a person prefers to not carry a gun to church. I also respect the right to carry one at all times, according to the gun owners discretion. I also respect the right to not carry one at all times, or when deemed by the gun owner not necessary or appropriate. A gun is just an instrument for self protection. A gun is not inherently evil, or some bad omen.
“Bourbonnais, who was among those shot by a gunman Sunday at New Life Church, watched as a security guard, a woman later identified as Jeanne Assam, calmly returned fire and killed the shooter.
denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_7683781
“Church shootings in Colorado; gunman killed by armed female church security staffer”
michellemalkin.com/2007/12/09/sunday-horror-church-shootings-in-colorado-gunman-reportedly-killed-by-armed-female-church-security-staffer/
If a pastor allows one to carry a gun to church, and adequately trains and elects certain members to carry, I see no problem with that.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/louisiana_locals_train_to_protect_their_churches_w.php
In colonial America most members and clergymen were required to carry their arms to church. It was also law in some colonies to travel armed when outside the home.
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Jinglebob
Jan. 30, 2013 at 4:59pmIn Colorado it’s a “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” arrangement that works for all and our church has a security element. Concealed carry works for all.
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Thighmaster
Jan. 30, 2013 at 4:50pmAren’t we missing the fact that we should never know someone is carrying a concealed weapon unless the need arises to announce it at which point we would all be so happy to help you reload.?
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battles
Jan. 30, 2013 at 5:14pmThis is actually the law in Texas. Your pistol must be concealed at all times. You can not intentionally expose it or tell someone you are carrying. Even if someone is accosting you, you cannot even inform the accosting person that you are carrying to hopefully get him to back off. You simply draw when you feel threatened, the suggestion is when the bad guy comes to within 21 feet.
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Schteveo
Jan. 31, 2013 at 1:32amBattles,
21 feet is the MINIMUM distance you allow someone to advance. At 21 feet, they can advance quicker then you can draw and fire.
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battles
Jan. 30, 2013 at 4:36pmWhen CHL carry was first introduced here in Texas, it was decided that there were several places where guns would be forbidden. Amusement parks with security, hospitals, and churches were no guns zones. A few years later, a gunman walked into a Baptist church and began firing at the people in the worship service. An unarmed police office was sitting in the service with his 9(?) year old son next to him. The gunman walked up an shot his son in the head, killing him instantly. The office appealed to the Texas congress to remove the church restriction saying that if he had had his gun, he would have been able to save his son’s life. Texas congressman realized their mistake in creating gun free zones in the CHL legislation and repealed all of the restrictions on carrying in any area other than those buildings sporting a defined by law sign.
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RIG4DIVE
Jan. 30, 2013 at 4:28pmIs it the right of the Government to tell people when and where they’re allowed to defend themselves? I’m sure God would understand ones intent to protect themselves and other innocent people from those who would do us harm.
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truthnstuff
Jan. 30, 2013 at 4:28pmOH NO! Clinging to bibles AND guns at the same time. Obammy, Obammy help.
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Derfel Cadarn
Jan. 30, 2013 at 4:19pmHow can the government limit the carry of firearms or anything else in of all places churches? Does not the separation of church and state exist ? What interests does the government have in this ?
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woodyl1011fl
Jan. 31, 2013 at 11:02amOur present government and his party’s desire to destroy the believing church in our country. Just as all totalitarians of the past and present they only want “churches” that embrace the administration’s and its party’s apostate immoral agenda.
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Combat_Medic
Jan. 30, 2013 at 4:10pmLarge scale massacres always occur in “gun free zones” I wonder why?
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CathyvanDyke
Jan. 30, 2013 at 4:27pmHorror as gunman executes woman while she decorates church for children’s party in new shooting rampage that left four dead
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2251849/Pennsylvania-church-shooting-leaves-4-dead-2-injured-happened-NRA-press-conference.html
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DougHuffman
Jan. 30, 2013 at 3:59pmWisconsin has always allowed guns in church. Wisconsin has never prohibited openly carried guns. Concealed guns are only recently, November 2011, legal. The JBT’s hate it but fugg’m.
Here’s a hint – the gun regulations are scattered all throughout the code.
https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/175/60
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