Calif. Atheists Take a Swipe at Religion With This New Anti-God Billboard
An atheist billboard set to display alongside a freeway in Lemon Grove, Calif., is already creating a stir. The message, which local non-believers hope will “shine a positive light on atheism,” will be posted today by the San Diego Coalition for Reason (SDCR). But the text on the billboard, clearly a swipe at people of faith, may do the opposite of what non-theists intend. It reads, “Atheism, a personal relationship with reality.”
While SDCR director Debbie Allen and other secularists may be hoping to help their image among the faithful, some locals are already less-than-content with the group’s choice of words. After all, the sign, which also features a picture of a pile of books, seems to indicate that those who embrace God’s existence aren’t living in reality.

Photo Credit: KSWB-TV
Elmer Lewis, a longtime Lemon Grove resident, said that he isn’t in favor of the message.
“I’d rather that they didn’t do it, but I love this country and freedom of speech is something that’s protected to all of us,” said Lewis.
And Pastor Will Warren, a local faith leader, echoed this sentiment, saying that he’s not sure how the group’s billboard will be received. Another local woman said that she plans to pray for the non-believers.
But Allen seems determined to change the way that non-believers are viewed. But even if she can’t, she’s hopeful that the billboard will attract other non-believers to join groups like the SDCR that cater to their secular needs.
“When people hear the word ‘atheism’ or ‘atheist,’ they usually think of a corrupt, bad person, and that’s far from the truth,” Allen said in an interview with KSWB-TV.
The billboard is slated to go up on Thursday afternoon.
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Comments (321)
GuruMeditation
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:34pmHahaha… they’re gonna have a rude awakening once they leave this world. Our time is short here.
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RANGER1965
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 7:21pm“Preach Christ, and if you must, use words.”
-St. Francis of Assisi
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Thomas
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:48pmJust ask atheist to define reality. How is something that appears and disappears reality? Nope it is illusion and therefore all atheists are rooted something fragmented by time. Time is a form of measurement but it cannot measure something that does not have a beginning to start measuring and an end to cease measuring. Anything real does not appear and disappear but is always. Man has created many units of measure in which he tries to comprehend reality but unless one’s mind is washed with Eternity it remains delusional.
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Annarie
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:37pmSt. Franics has a point. Really, too many of us use words to preach the sermon that is best lived. We need to live it and keep praying for them.
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notsurewhatshappeninghere
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:34pmHey guys, I’ve been reading your posts for a while now, and I’m really entertained, and respect and agree with most of what you say. So, be easy on my first post. I do agree that the billboard is in bad taste, but the motive behind it is somewhat valid, or at least, I believe. I was Christened as a baby, but was never raised in the Church. I did spend a couple of summers in “church school”, but it never stuck. I understand the stories told, but unfortunately (maybe for me) they remain stories. I am not an atheist by any means. I believe that I am agnostic. I believe in evolution, but cannot believe that our mind ever dies – energy can be transferred, but never destroyed. I digress. My main point is, though I do not actively worship, I COMPLETELY respect those that do. However, I do not believe that respect goes the same way. Not going to church does not mean that I don’t try to be a good person. Everyone sins. Some religions let you “get away with it” if you confess.
I guess I’m just saying, as stupid and misguided as the decision was to put this up, it doesn’t mean that they are bad people. They just want to feel the same freedom and acceptance as Americans. Thanks for letting me talk with you all.
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Bad_Ashe
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:24amSince atheist are so interested in reality, I have a new billboard in mind:
ATHEISTS: One of us in sufficient power is more likely than not to commit mass murder!
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TheCalmOne
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 9:27amBad_Ashe: Which would explain why the atheist prime minister of Australia commits mass murder on a regular basis.
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4truth2all
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 10:10amYo Notsure:
Welcome … is mockery good? Is the heart of a mocker good?
Simple truth … NO
Thus the need of Christ
Also … I bet you would find that God fearing people on whole read more then any …
so this is not just mockery, but lies, also not found in the good catagory.
So, to say these are good people is self deception … good day
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Bad_Ashe
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 3:16pm@THECALMONE – This is an idiotic response. First off, if you read my comment I stated that they were “more likely than not”, and statistically that is a completely true statement. Additionally, the Prime Minister of Australia is not in sufficient power to do so…too many checks and balances.
Given that, shall I list the all the atheist rulers of the 20th Century and their death counts, or would you prefer the highlights?
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mycomet123
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 4:40pm@ANNARIE, Don’t get me wrong, St. Francis is one of my favorite saints. However, I think Jesus raises up saints that are needed for the seasons of time they live in. Right now I think this time period could use St. John the Baptist.( REPENT, for the Kingdom of God is upon you.)
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davecorkery
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 11:04amOr they are not. You are of the opinion that there is a god, and that he wants you to do certain things. We are of the opinion that there isn’t a god. Simple. Why are you so afraid of us?
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cgnick
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:04amThomas
Time is not a measurement it is a medium. Seconds, minutes, hours, days, months so on and so forth are measurements. Those units measure time. Just as a cup measures sugar, the sugar is not the measurement. That is the problem with religion, the same as your logic, it is not supported by facts.
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welovetheUSA
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:29pmI donot care how people worship……..I just wish they would have the same considerations as I do.
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Keatonc333
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:50pmRidiculous stereotypes often make people very ignorant towards other creeds and nationalities. For example, I’m in good shape, intelligent, and I don’t have sex with my cousins, and yet still people assume I’m Christian.
4everJoy
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 7:09pmKEATONC333: I totally doubt anyone would ever assume you are a Christian. You are in error because you don’t know the Word or the power of God. Maybe someday.
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ButtKickingScripture
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 7:54pmHow about what they worship… does that matter?
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Jadedfate
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:28pmI don’t care what you worship either, but I’m bombarded by religious billboards everywhere. So, I have no issue with an opposing view being advertised as well. Want me to not tell you I find you faith in fairy tales to be silly and moronic? Stop trying to shove your religion on me and forcing it into public places, like schools and government. Stop forcing your views on others through attempts to legislate your version of morality. Until then, I’ll fight back when I see it being forced on others.
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The Big Mick
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:35pmThe Thoughtful Student is invited to come to a Cogent Evaluation of KT’s Depth of Intellect and Breadth of Bigotry.
Balance of Probabilities favors massive diatribes from the Prhomos.
Scratch and “atheist” find a phah go.
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malbro
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:28pmJust those Godophobic’s at it again………..
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Keatonc333
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:48pmThe Mother Superior calls all the nuns together. She then says to them, ” I must tell you something very serious. We have a case of gonorrhea in the convent.”
A nun in the back responds, “Thank God! I’m so tired of Zinfandel.”
American Soldier (Separated)
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:11pmI like the billboard, well made.
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strawberry411a
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 5:00amInteresting comment soldier. Are you talking aesthetically or philosophically?
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The Burning Sword
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 7:50amRanger1965 is correct
War and massacre are two different things.
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BerettaM9
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 3:20pm@KeatonC333 I am glad to see that your here on this website Mahmoud. It is very entertaining to read your liberal junkie comments and have a laugh.
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NogodNojesus
Posted on February 10, 2013 at 7:00pmI like the billboard too.
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Warphead
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:28pmNever before in the history of man have so many, gotten so upset over, worried over, fought against, loathed, and spent so much of their life in turmoil over, something they do not believe exists. Go figure. I can only think of one thing absent from a person’s life that would cause them so much anguish.
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Keatonc333
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:54pmGoing to war over religion, is basically just killing people in an argument over who has the better imaginary friend.
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RANGER1965
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:52pmIt seems to me that having strong faith in nothingness is no different. Empiricism is the death of Atheism.
The worst wars and calamity of mankind, seems to have been perpetuated by Godless men. History is a bitch.
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charliesouth
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:14pm“have been perpetuated by Godless men”
Aside from Stalin and Hitler, sources please?
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God_Is_Not
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:31pmHitler was far from a godless man. Stalin was indeed an atheist.
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The Mouse
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:20pmJust because one is an atheist or a believer does not make one ethical or better than the other. As someone mentioned above, Hitler was a Christian and Stalin was an atheist. Some might debate that Hitler wasn’t a true Christian… well, he thought he was and upheld Christianity. Most Christians these days say they are true believers yet are very hateful. Most Christians these days believe in Christ yet bash gays incessantly. Sure, it says in the Bible it’s a sin, but does that mean you should make their lives impossible? You can tolerate them but not accept them. That is why many people hate religion and why I left the church. I believe I am more ethical and more loving than most “Christians” are run across these days. I don’t mind religion until it is forced down my throat and those of different faiths or no faith. Last time I checked, this was American not Iran. No wonder the Republican Party is losing out on gay conservatives like me. I will keep voting Dummocrat, though I am fiscally conservative until the party stops demonizing tax-paying, patriotic gay men and women. You’d think they would go out of their way to bring in fiscally-conservative gays, but they lose them to the liberals. Until then, you will keep losing every election from this moment on if you don’t eject the religious Taliban from your ranks.
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getstrong84
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:38pmHumans are failed representations of Christ, or of God, the Divine. You have to judge the belief in God for yourself. Don’t point to evil that men do in the name of God. Just like I don’t say Doctors are evil becuse the mal-practice of medicine. If you read the scriptures and don’t love Jesus, or see reality as having meaning, or see nothing in concious, or the fact we are personl beings not impersonal matter. IF you see nothing in this..then embrace atheism. But give it a fair look. Why judge God by mans failings? You make yourself god when you do that.
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notsurewhatshappeninghere
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:44pmVery well said, and that’s coming from an agnostic. :)
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RANGER1965
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:14pmSorry fella’s Hitler was a lapsed catholic who later became a strong Atheist, his writings confirm this rather convincingly. 6 million Jews.
Mao didn’t believe in any god but himself 45 million people over 4 years.
Stalin, Castro Pol Pot, Lenin…the list goes on and on. The numbers are staggering.
The only thing worse than a tyrant who uses God as a justification for his evil, is a tyrant who uses himself as a justification for his evil.
History is a bitch.
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charliesouth
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:57pmActually there’s still no consensus that Hitler completely lost the faith. Either way, guess what, guy: No one dies in the name of atheism. It’s not an ideology, it’s not a faith or a philosophy. “Being killed by an atheist is no more being killed in the name of atheism than being killed by a tall person is being killed in the name of tallness.” Communists didn’t kill in the name of atheism, they killed in the name of Communism, so that there would be no resistance in the form of organized religion. They didn’t want any organizations other than their own. So go ahead and remind us for the millionth time how history is a bitch?
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God_Is_Not
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:59pm@RANGER1965
Love the logic. Someone killed people, thus they can’t be a christian and must be an atheist. Therefore, atheism is evil. Sounds legit.
Even if all your claims were true, which they’re not, it still wouldn’t lend one shred of evidence towards Christianity being true. Also, it wouldn’t make a bit of difference as none killed BECAUSE of atheism.
Finally, you can believe Hitler was an atheist all you want. Anyone who studies the facts simply knows this is wishful thinking.
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charliesouth
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:11am^This!
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ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:32amHitler may not have been a Christian, but he was definitely no atheist.
His reign was a mix of pagan traditions and there is no doubt that the people who followed him were some form of Christian.
As someone else said, I don’t think anybody is more or less likely to be moral/immoral based on their viewpoint of life.
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:55am“Someone killed people, thus they can’t be a christian”
You got it.
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:43pmGoat,
But people can kill as many people as they want, and as soon as they repent and accept the lord into their heart they go to heaven for eternity right?
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Bad_Ashe
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 1:37amDrum roll please…
@Keaton – Religion has NOT been the cause of the majority of wars throughout history. According to the Encyclopedia of Wars (considered an authoritative work), religious causes are responsible for roughly 7% of the 1,763 wars between 8000 BC and 2000 AD.
@Charlie – As I mentioned in another post, the total body count of 52 atheist leaders between 1917 and 2007 is just over 140 million. The average atheist crime against humanity is roughly 18 million times worse the worst event ever committed by Christianity, despite the fact that atheist leaders have had 1/20 the opportunity.
@GOD_IS_NOT & MODERATION – Hitler was neither atheist nor Christian, he was a weird sort of “skeptical pagan”. Hitler made most of his comments about his supposed faith prior to 1934…when he was still running for office. When it came time that Hitler, Himmler, etc. no longer needed the support of the church, they showed their true colors.
Renowned historian Robert Wistrich, the professor of modern Jewish history at Hebrew University, said it best — “Indeed, the leading Nazis—Hitler, Himmler, Rosenberg, Goebbels, and Bormann—were all fanatically anti-Christian, though this was partly hidden from the German public. . . .”
Let us also not forget the Donovan Report or the Rosenberg Plan as revealed in the Nuremburg trials. These describe the Nazi’s plan to eradicate not only the Catholic & Protestant Churches, but Christianity in general.
Cheers!
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Freedomlover_US
Posted on February 10, 2013 at 9:00pmIt’s not God they are afraid of; it’s religion
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RDavis49
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:28pmThey only want us to defend God. But, God doesn’t need me to defend Him about anything, least of all about His existance. I do not need to judge these people, for they are condemned by their own mouths.
Psalm 14:1 ….. The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.
John 3:18 …… Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
Enough Said..
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RANGER1965
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:57pmQ: What is so ironic about Atheists?
A: They’re always talking about God.
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Winedude
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:16pm“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?” Epicurus
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getstrong84
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:42pmDon’t judge “people” ..would you like me to judge all atheist for the actions of evil atheists? I judge atheism as a worldview. Just like you should really look at belief in the Creator as worldview. Religion is a poor representation of Christ. And caling yourself a christian does not make you one, that applies to hitler or failed pastors. You know the heart from the fruit it bares. And it is funny to hate what you beleive doesnt exist..i never rage mad against unicorns..in mens hearts they know God exist, but they war against Him
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Pontiaku
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:52pm@Winedude
Falsely attributed to Epicurus.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Epicurus#Disputed
Good quote nonetheless.
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4truth2all
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:01amYo Winedude:
God will one day remove all evil
it continues because of His patience
and evil comes from the hearts of men.
( all I said is found in scripture)
So the words you posted are utterly foolish and given to no intelligence or understanding of the subject matter critized.
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:45pmIf evil comes from the hearts of men, and the hearts of men come from him….hmmm
you should read again and try to grasp it.
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4truth2all
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:05pmYo Doors:
Grasp this … your heart … your choice … God gave men free will and He does not infringe upon that.
If I make a bat … it is not meant as a weapon … the person with the bat makes that choice in their “heart”. It is the evil of the butthead with the bat, not the maker of the bat which was intended for pleasure (games).
What simplicities have I just spoken that you don’t grasp … stop blaming God for your shortcommings and those of men … l read it once … and the stupidity and untruthfullness of it will not fade away by further reading.
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Granny58
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 3:23pmjust because Epicurus says God is malevolent doesn’t make it so.
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Pontiaku
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 4:15pm“God says do what you wish, but make the wrong choice and you will be tortured for eternity in hell. That sir, is not free will. It would be akin to a man telling his girlfriend, do what you wish, but if you choose to leave me, I will track you down and blow your brains out. When a man says this we call him a psychopath and cry out for his imprisonment/execution. When god says the same we call him ‘loving’ and build churches in his honor.” — William C. Easttom II
Ah yes, nothing better than to be born worthy of eternal damnation because you don’t believe in some bronze age desert nomads imaginary god. Nor in some human sacrifice to himself to save ourselves from himself. Yes, believe in his son and you will be forgiven for your sins… That is if you weren’t separated by blatant obstacles 2000 years ago. Sorry to all the Chinese, Japanese, Native Americans, etc etc. You had centuries with NO POSSIBLE IDEA there was a savior for you! :-P~
Obviously any god that favors one people in one region isn’t god but an invention of those people that claim to speak for god. Or is wholly unworthy of worship for playing favorites and being an absolute jerk. You people can take your deranged, preposterous, and incestuous mythology and shove it up your behind. We’re not going to some afterlife so you can have your momentary jollies seeing people burn for eternity you sycophants. We got ONE existence, make a good one~
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4truth2all
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 6:18pmYo pontiac:
You kinda forgot ….. the CROSS …T
Please pass this on to William … thanks
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00100111
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:20pmYawn, atheists. Losers, every single one of you.
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charliesouth
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:22pmHow “Christian” of you.
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RDavis49
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:30pmI accordance with the Bible, you are absolutely right… they’re losers. It doesn’t make you a bad Christian to speak what’s already decreed in scripture.
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charliesouth
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:36pmKEATONC there’s no need for that.
And RDAVIS when it’s spoken with a tone such as this guy’s (read his other posts), I doubt it’s very scripture like. If it is, then I sure as heck don’t want a part of such a mean-spirited organization.
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toiletclogga
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:48pm@Charliesouth–You’re right. Referring to all who are not Christian losers is simply idiotic. As a Christian, I’m deeply offended when those of the faith fail to measure up to what they’re supposed to be. I know of many who do not walk the same path as I, and I would not refer to them as losers. I pray for them, and try to portray my faith through action. Sorry you were offended.
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charliesouth
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:54pmTOILET don’t make me get all sentimental on you.
goodness I never thought I would ever say those words…
Seriously though, I lost the faith long ago, but I came from a strong and positive Christian family, so I know better than to lump all believers together.
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God_Is_Not
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:30pm00100111 is known for ad hominem attacks rather than presenting anything of real substance.
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:56amThank you, CharlieSouth, for holding our behaviors to higher standards than yours =)
I have only once heard somebody say “How atheist of you” and it wasn’t for the same reason.
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charliesouth
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:56pmYeah Goat. I mean I know I’m not the moral compass. I have flaws, I get angry, I can get mean, but I don’t live by Christ’s teachings, and I expect people who want to live by Christ’s teachings to act like they truly do.
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4truth2all
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:34pmYo Charlie:
And at what point in their faith do you find them … ?
Does a garage cluttered by years of neglect become clean in an hour?
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charliesouth
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 6:21pm4Truth, could you clarify?
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4truth2all
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 6:37amYo Charlie:
Faith is something that grows and matures like a tree. The little sapling doesn’t much look like a tree. A person whom you meet who might of just came to Christ here or elsewhere may not exibit many of the qualities of a muturing tree. so your statement is unwise and judgemental on one hand and true on another in that christians should be different then the “world” as Christ does grow us to be like Him.
So maybe it is you whom is not all that you think you are as you say that others are not, not knowing anything about them personally.( I don’t meam anything personal by this statement) just talkin the truth …
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charliesouth
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:13pm4TRUTH2ALL I understand what you mean. In another post I commented on how i don’t consider myself perfect, but when judged for not believing in the teachings of Christ, I tend to call out those judging me when they themselves act VERY unChrist-like. And trust me, I’m not trying to turn the temple into a marketplace, either. And don’t worry I wouldn’t take it personal, unless you were like “Yo Charlie, you’re a *@ckin’ @s*hole! Go *$!k yourself!” haha
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searching for the Truth
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:19pmThe Holy Bible says that the wicked will prevail in the End Times, but the wicked will only win a battle , the wicked will ” Not,” win the ” War.” King James.
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comforteagle
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 8:32amYou know quoting the bible to an atheist is like a muslim quoting the koran to convert a christian. the koran doesnt mean anything to christian logic
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4truth2all
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:04amIt’s not a matter of “logic” it’s a matter of truth.
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searching for the Truth
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 2:02pmYou are both correct. The Absolute Truth is Logic.
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logochic09
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:19pmAtheism = no hope Period!
Wouldn’t you like to be there when the creator of this billboard is standing in front of his creator?
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charliesouth
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:23pmHis mom? Or the universe?
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The Third Archon
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 7:06pmHope has nothing to do with belief or the veracity of beliefs–HOPING something is true doesn’t make it one iota more LIKELY to be true, and certainly doesn’t tell you anything about the probability that it is or is not true. And FALSE hope is no hope at all.
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God_Is_Not
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:32pmI hope I win the lottery someday.
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Annarie
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:45pmThat’s rather mean-spirited. Frankly, no, I don’t want to see him be separated from God for all eternity. I don’t want that for anyone. And for those of you who would say I am judging….I’m not. I am basing my statement on what I know God’s judgement for the lost will be based on His word. And yet again, I don’t want that for anyone.
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Pontiaku
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:39pmlogochic09
“Atheism = no hope Period!”
Hmmm… Guess that’s why I voted against Obama. I didn’t need nor want anything to do with his “hope” slogan.
“Wouldn’t you like to be there when the creator of this billboard is standing in front of his creator?”
Why is it “christians” are gratified by this? I’ll be going the same place you’re going because you’re certainly not heaven material. And if you are I’ll be right there beside you because an eternity with you so called “christians” would be hell.
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thibx
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:17pmwho do you think made the brains that wrote those books?
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charliesouth
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:24pmOh I don’t know…parents? molecules? Atoms? The universe?
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battlehymn
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:16pmReligion has been under assault for thousands of years. What’s new about this?
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charliesouth
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:25pmCite your references, please. The only assault ON religion by non religious forces was only engaged within the last 100 or so years.
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Keatonc33
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:30pmReligion has been under assault by other religions for thousands of years. so really religion has been assaulting others for thousands of years. murdering, raping, torturing all in the name of your God.
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charliesouth
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:44pmOther gods too, KEATONC, the over all point is not beliveing in some fickly benevolent/malevolent deity.
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RANGER1965
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:01pm@KEATON
Sadly, more people have been raped, murdered, tortured by atheists who use the justification that man is just an animal, undeserving of honor. The god of atheism is yourselves. Which is why Godless men have the potential to be the most brutal, heartless, and cruel.
History is a painful thing for atheists.
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charliesouth
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:15pmRanger you keep posting this stuff but where are your links to back it up. If it’s true I want to know, but you can’t expect us to just take your word as fact,
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Keatonc333
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:45pmranger thats not true at all. Just about every war in earth’s history has been fought over religion, or by religious rulers.
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:59amSorry Keaton (is that the fox guy from Majoras Mask?)
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/atrocities.html
Read up on the term ‘democide”
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momrules
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:15pmI will not argue their right to put up the sign or their right to believe as they choose. I, in fact, believe there will be even more of this in these latter days.
As to their reality, again their choice. My reality is filled with the joy of knowing there is God, of knowing and having a personal relationship with Him and His Son Jesus Christ. I cannot imagine a life without that reality. Our duty as Christians is not to save souls but to spread the Word of God and salvation through Jesus. It is up to the individual whether they accept that knowledge or not. These people have made their choice.
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TheCalmOne
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 9:34amYet you can’t demonstrate to anybody that your professed ‘reality’ is not a delusion.
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4truth2all
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:22amYo One:
The reality of God is in your face ALL DAY LONG, yet you refuse it and believe theories ( that is something not proven)
Proof is the tomb was empty … but men lied about it
Proof has been found as to where they crossed the Red Sea ( proof you can see)
Proof of Sodom and Gomorrah’s destruction (proof you can see)
Proof of the Ark (proof you can see)
etc …
NO theories … right in front of your face .. yet you like those that lied about the tomb continue in these lies …. and that is why liers will not see the Kingdom of Heaven … but don’t worry there’s no proof …
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Rayblue
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:11pmDesperately confused is the message that the billboard appears to associate with atheism.
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VoteRightDammit
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:08pmAtheism is their faith. Fine.
But if you REALLY were secure in your faith of atheism you would NOT be so obsessed to get people to ‘convert’ and agree. You believe there is no afterlife; death = dust. So, converting does no one any kind of benefit – if you are right they will be dust anyway.
So you are evangelizing SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU ARE SO INSECURE, AND WANT COMPANY TO FEEL BETTER ABOUT YOUR FAITH.
Sorry – you are and will be alone.
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charliesouth
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:21pmWrong, the “conversion” is mainly wanting people to stop trying to push their faith into politics, thus forcing everyone to abide by their rules. Not everyone agrees that homosexuality is a sin, yet there is absolutely NO secular argument opposing gay rights.
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by faith
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:37pm“stop trying to push their faith into politics”
That is unless you are atheist or gay, then you can you can push your beliefs and politics all you want
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charliesouth
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:50pmLOLOL at people who think gays try to push being gay on others. They’re tired of being treated as second class freaking citizens. What don’t you get about that?
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charliesouth
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:51pmAlso, atheism and homosexuality are not faiths. Learn to debate properly, please.
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The Third Archon
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:59pm“Atheism is their faith. Fine.”
Faith requires (1) a belief (2) that is unsupported.
Atheism is not accepting, not believing, the proposition claimed by theists that “there is a god/gods.” Rejection of a belief is not a belief and does not require support–it is the claim advancing itself as true upon which the burden of proof falls to support itself with evidence. Rejection of a belief is also not the same as acceptance of the inverse belief–there IS such a position as “I don’t know” and it’s the default position with regards to ALL claims and the position we come into the world with.
“But if you REALLY were secure in your faith of atheism you would NOT be so obsessed to get people to ‘convert’ and agree.
That’s RICH coming from a (presumably) proselytizing theist.
“You believe…anyway.”
(1) Belief actually MATTERS to actions, and actions have consequences in the reality we DO share and the ONLY reality we have any reason to believe exists.
(2) We benefit in the immediate term with fewer delusional people dictating policy, and in the long term because we actually CARE about the future of humans and the people we love that will outlive us.
“So you are evangelizing SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU ARE SO INSECURE, AND WANT COMPANY TO FEEL BETTER ABOUT YOUR FAITH.”
While company IS nice, it’s actually the CONSEQUENCES of belief upon your actions that motivates atheists to try to snap theists out of their delusions.
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by faith
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 9:23amCharlie
I’ll type slowly so you can keep up.
Your complaint is “trying to push their faith into politics, thus forcing everyone to abide by their rules”
Yet you are too dense to see that is exactly what you are praising.
If you want to be atheist then why does it require a billboard? The LGBT community wants the government out of their bedroom, but are the first to line up for laws forcing others to accept those very activities as normal.
Faith defined: allegiance to duty or a person / loyalty / firm belief in something for which there is no proof / complete trust / something that is believed especially with strong conviction.
What is the difference?
You dislike when religious people push their agenda, but praise atheist and gays when then push theirs.
The word you are looking for is HYPOCRACY
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charliesouth
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 10:26amByfaith, I’ll type normally because you probably read the same speed as I do.
(Saying typing slowly doesn’t work the same as speaking slowly)
Let’s look at examples of what both sides want:
Non-Secular: They want to make sure no one of the same sex can get married (or even in some states, not let them have any kind of legal recognition or benefits from a civil union) That is PREVENTING someone from doing something because of your non-universal beliefs.
Secular: They want same sex couples the priveledge ever other American has by being recognized as a couple from certain churches that would allow that. Don’t buy into the “They would force anti-gay churches to marry them” that is illogical. No gay person would want to be married by someone who didnt approve of their lifestyle. So over all, what they want prevents absolutely no one from doing anything. They only reason you hear about atheists and homosexuals (i.e. having their beliefs shoved down your throat?) is because they are being prevented from doing something by a law that doesnt fall under their belief category.
Let’s talk about prayer in school. You might argue that atheists are taking that away from non-secularists. If it’s a proclaimed private Christian/Muslim/Jewish school, then yeah it definitely should be allowed. But if its a public elementary/middle or high school, where not everybody is of faith, what’s so wrong with praying in a non-uniform way.
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by faith
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 10:45amI’ll type slow (that’s a joke) It is a reference to your close-minded attitude
So what you are saying is if I agree with the argument, then it’s ok to push the agenda, if I disagree then you can’t speak of it.
Your circular logic is interesting. Gays want the government to force recognition of a redefined word…Marriage has from the dawn of civilization been a union between man and woman. It was a way of publically stating this woman is now part of my family, she is my responsibility. LGBT community want rights to visit sick loved ones and pass on their assets, then lobby to change the laws. The push back is coming from people who do not want to redefine the word. A 3 sided object is not a circle…well at least not yet. Maybe someday, who knows.
Not going to force churches? Really. There are already law suits in the system.
Prayer in school, I got news for you…as long as there are test, there will be prayer in school.
It’s simple. If you disagree with it, then it’s bad and the government should ban it. If you agree with it, then the government should step in and protect it.
In other words: Freedom of speech is fine as long as you agree with me.
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4truth2all
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:46amYo Archon:
My “faith” has much support … in science, history and archeology ( BOOKS/READING)… but your faith blinds you to it, not allowing you to see. Like someone who got lost ( not paying attention to the signs) going the wrong way and just doesn’t know it yet.
It is many atheists who believe themselves better … ENLIGHTENED … so they say, as they mock the true LIGHT … a man that turns from the light cannot be enlightened … good day
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charliesouth
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:11pmYes, Byfaith, it would force the redefinition of a word. How does that prevent you from living out your every day life. How does that stop you from doing a single thing you don’t already do on a daily basis. It doesn’t.
Please cite the law you are referring to. Because if that is the case, I find it despicable.
But where did you get that you can’t argue if you don’t agree with me, and why do you think I’m so narrow minded. Let’s try this:
Hey, BYFAITH! You are NOT narrow minded but you seem to be missing some of my points. You don’t appear to be dense, just very defensive to the point of seeing me saying things that I’m not. Civil discourse? May we?
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by faith
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 4:47pmI love how you it’s always the liberal who threw the first stone that takes the passive aggressive tone when loosing a debate.
You chastize some for forcing their views on others, but you praise others for doing the same thing
Simple, NO?
What if we redefined the word atheist to crazy, how does that affect you?
Like is said Gays want the government to leave them alone until they want the government to force acceptance of their lifestyle.
Marriage is a sacred institution between one man and one woman. Redefining that does not affect me personally, but it sullys the public discourse and cheepins society as a whole.
What do you say we redefine gay to mean perverted sex act? How does that hurt you?
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charliesouth
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 6:42pmMy apologies on being passive aggressive.
Ok, I still think there’s a loss of translation on “forcing views on”, here. Let’s break this down bare-bones.The religious right want people to abide by, or create certain laws rooted in faith. This prevents people who have absolutely no roots in said faith from having the same priveledges as those who do. Where as allowing same sex marriage will not hinder any homophobe of doing anything except bragging about only them being allowed to marry. It will sully nothing, nor will it cheapen anything. That is unless you’re future conversations will consist of
“Hey, Joe, did you hear, my kid’s getting married!”
“Now wait a minute, Frank, it wouldn’t happen to be one of those GAY marriages, would it?”
“Goodness, Joe, I should hope not!”
“Dad, I’m not gay!”
“Oh! Alright then, no…it won’t be a gay marriage.”
If gay marriage is legalized in the future, I highly doubt that the word “gay” will enter your mind every time you hear of a wedding. If it does, maybe you have some issues to sort out.
If atheist were redefined to crazy, there would be a lot of crazy people out there. That doesn’t hurt me, and honestly (not an atheist, but I identify more with them in these issues).
Gay redefined as perverted sex act, while doesnt hurt me directly, still hurts because you’re calling a lot of my friends perverts, which is has a very negative connotation.
Again, sorry for being a jerk and then calling you out on it t
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by faith
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 10:39amYou chastize some for forcing their views on others, but you praise others for doing the same thing
Simple, NO?
Thel LGBT want special treatment from the government…i.e forcing the government and society to redefine marriage, but you claim the religious right is forcing you to do something. what? are you not free to be atheist or gay? You refuse to see your hypocracy because your personal feelings and group of freinds are in your mind put appon. You think this country is bad? Try being gay or atheist in a middle easten country
for the record all laws a based to some extent on religion…murder, stealing, fraud…
Gays want special treatment in regard to marriage, then pass a law that fixes it, but dont redefine marriage. You ask me how does it hurt me if gay people get married, I ask you; how does it help gays if the government recognises gay marriage? Gays are hurting there own cause by trying to force the general public to accept same sex unions as marriage. I find it strange that you dont see a problem with redefining a word that has meant the same thing for centuries.
My redefind words didn’t bother you, but they did make you feel bad for your friends, why? All I did was propose a redefenition…I did not pass the law before congress or put up a billboard.
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charliesouth
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:36pmWe might have a stalemate here, but I will try to at least clarify some of my statements. OK, so…let’s say for example we take religion out of the subject, marriage also. Why is it that a lot of states still won’t recognize same-sex civil unions that have no deep-rooted meaning in any form of religion? Just a thought.
Where we seem to differ (re: the stalemate) is that I don’t see “redefining” marriage as redefining it, just adding onto. “Marriage: when two people love each other and want to…etc…etc..”. Why is this such a big deal for people? If homosexuality would indeed corrupt the sanctity of it, why haven’t there been massive movements against divorce, or the 24hr chapels in Vegas? Or shows like the Bachelor where people get together all in the name of fame? I just don’t see it as forcing beliefs on you when you have the right to believe it’s a sin, just keeping a religious based notion out of the government. Also, murdering, stealing, fraud…all of those hurt people so even a secular society can abide by them.
Now I’m not gonna lie. I do think that some of the proposals from atheist agendas are a little out of line. I don’t support shutting someone up if they want to pray. That’s their right of speech AND religion.
Oh and for the record, I absolutely love America. Please don’t think otherwise.
“, but they did make you feel bad for your friends, why? All I did was propose a redefenition…” My feeling bad was a hypothetical on the level of y
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by faith
Posted on February 4, 2013 at 9:31amWhich states will not accept civil unions? I do not know of any, but the U.S. constitution does allow each state to make their own laws. Do you want to government to use its bully pulpit and the point of the gun to force all laws, or just the ones you agree with?
If I have a class of water and I put in dirt, is it still water? I didn’t redefine it, I just added to it.
Marriage when a man and woman form a new family unit…centuries of accepted standard
Why is it such a big deal for same sex couples to be “Married”?
If homosexuality would indeed corrupt the sanctity of it, why haven’t there been massive movements against divorce, or the 24hr chapels in Vegas? I’m Catholic, so my faith has.
Atheist and the LGBT community want to force public acceptance of their lifestyle at the expense of the vast majority of the public. You want the government to force acceptance of these groups. Our representative form of govenrment has said no. We the people do not want these changes. Haveing the government force change is unconstitutional and hypocrytical
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by faith
Posted on February 5, 2013 at 12:04pmToday’s news: Atheist Vandals Spray-Paint 3 Mass. Churches
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snufy
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:07pmYou want reality? Try this on for size–”If you deny me, I will deny you before my Father. You will lose your eternal life.”-Christ Jesus
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DeavonReye
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 10:37amDoes that seem like an advanced ideology? “If you wrong me, I’m gonna get even with you on a level you won’t believe!”
Such verses were meant to scare people into a faith group. Fear has been a powerful motivator in our history. But it is a primative way of life. An “eye for an eye” on a cosmic level.
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DeavonReye
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 10:39amThat was for Snufy above.
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4truth2all
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:33amYo Deavonreye:
For someone that went to church you sure are ignorant of it’s meaning.
If I reach out my hand to you in “salvation” and you refuse it where does that leave you?
It is not MY fault that you do not take it !!! And when I say in testimony/truth that you did not take it does that make me a liar? CERTIANLY NOT …
You do not believe in God because of scripture being disproved … you don’t believe because you don’t need His inferiorities, thus you make yourself as God. I expect you will lay no claim to this truth… good day
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DeavonReye
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:49am2All, . . . You can’t relay an analogy where one human actively does something for another. The metaphysical aspect of “faith” isn’t the same.
Please don’t put words in my mouth as to why I “no longer believe”. I have never claimed to be “as a god”. It isn’t my fault that many find ample amounts of fodder against the biblical god. If there hadn’t BEEN those issues, we wouldn’t be here today debating them.
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4truth2all
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:15pmYo Deavonreye:
My anology is true to scripture and simply EXACTLY what Jesus did/does/will do.
We are covered by His blood/ salvation= He saves those willing, these are SIMPLE truths of scripture … faith does not determine the meaning of scripture.
Concerning you … going by your own words
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The Third Archon
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:05pm“While SDCR director Debbie Allen and other secularists may be hoping to help their image among the faithful, some locals are already less-than-content with the group’s choice of words.”
I don’t think that’s the point–theists, after all, are hardly often open to critically considering their absurd baseless beliefs. It’s probably aimed more at connecting others who are irreligious or on the fence about religion.
“After all, the sign, which also features a picture of a pile of books, seems to indicate that those who embrace God’s existence aren’t living in reality.”
What? NO–what gave you THAT idea? XD
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00100111
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:20pmI see you finally woke up. What’s it like to be such a loser?
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charliesouth
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:27pmIs calling people who don’t belive like you “loser” the only thing you have? Why not, I don’t know, try positive reenforcement?
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The Third Archon
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:50pm“Is calling people who don’t belive like you “loser” the only thing you have? Why not, I don’t know, try positive reenforcement?”
Or better yet–any substantive argument.
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jungle J
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 5:59pmThey are living in a free country…relax.
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mikefromaltoona
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 5:59pmAdd your comments
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The Third Archon
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 5:59pm“It reads, “Atheism, a personal relationship with reality.””
That’s fantastic XD
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00100111
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:21pmYou really don’t have anything in your life to feel good about, do you? It must be sad to be such a tiny little archie.
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Rayblue
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:22pmFantasy is the root of “fantastic”.
So we agree.
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The Third Archon
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:46pm@00100111
LOL, oh I don’t know all the guiltless wild premarital group sex feels pretty good. And watching conservatives and theists get absurdly emotionally invested in nonsense, trivialities, and wild presuppositions is ALWAYS good for a laugh when one needs a little pick me up. XD
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:58amWe get worked up because there’s nothing else to do. Maybe we should all get back to work (like myself)
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John.Galt
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 5:58pmlol. I’ll take my faith over his “reality” anytime.
They probably believe the lamestream media! Talk about fantasy land!
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charliesouth
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:31pmHAHAHAHA! “Lame”stream media! It’s like you took a word that rhy-…well, doesn’t quite rhyme with “main”, but sounds close enough and has a negative connotation denoting your disdain for mainstream media! Did you make that up yourself? So clever. So very, very clever.
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Zipit
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 5:56pmI think the sign needs a personal relationship with some paintball guns!
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checkingbothsides
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:20pmI’m fine with that if Atheists can do the same to all the fetus pictures religious groups feel the need to litter the highways with. Deal?
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charliesouth
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:31pmI’ve still never played paintball :(
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God_Is_Not
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:34pmVandalism. You know your faith is razor thin when you protect it by defacing private property.
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Zipit
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:20pmCheck! deal! That’s fine with me! GIN! Didn’t mention faith! And Chuck, if you’d quit playing with yourself so much, you might find some time to “play paintball”!
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charliesouth
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:13pmWell…that was uncalled for. I only do that at night, so I highly doubt that time would be alotted to paintball hijinks.
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barber2
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 5:55pm” The Coalition For Reason ” sure sounds non-judgemental and friendly . And it will ” cater to their secular needs.” Just what are “secular needs ?”
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The Third Archon
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:08pm“” The Coalition For Reason ” sure sounds non-judgemental and friendly .”
I’m sorry if the REALITY of epistemology is that SOME beliefs are supported by evidence and some…aren’t.
“And it will ” cater to their secular needs.” Just what are “secular needs ?””
The same needs church fulfills for the theists–social support networks, fun, and aggregating political power (because the theists DAMN SURE are).
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00100111
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:22pmSecular needs are gay sex, dead babies, free drugs and contraception. Nothing else, really. They’re pretty much useless creatures. Not even their parents would miss them if they killed themselves.
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charliesouth
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:34pmbinary guy, you truely are what give people of faith bad names. So spiteful and full of…oh…what’s that word that’s the opposite of what Christ taught….
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The Third Archon
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:48pmWhy is “gay sex” and “contraception” on the list of things implied to be bad?
Also “free drugs”–you mean like what Medicare does for old people? How heinous.
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 9:00amI love when people like 00100111 express their opinion…it only helps bring people to reality. I’m thirty one and have only been an athiest for about 3 years, agnostic for 6. I was a born again christian for the rest of my adult life. The most useful tool to bring people to athiesm or agnosticsm is, The Bible(or any old holy book), and other believers. Having an interest in science and history helps too.
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:03pmWho pays for Medicare? How much money does it cost to give the millions of retiring baby boomers the life of Reily? Did we have a plan in the past to pay for Medicare part A? B? C? What about today’s plan D?
No, they were unfunded liabilities by power hungry politicians wanting to purchase votes.
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puravida56
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 10:08am@00100110101010110111
“Secular needs are gay sex, dead babies, free drugs and contraception. Nothing else, really. They’re pretty much useless creatures. Not even their parents would miss them if they killed themselves.”
1. Gay sex for me is not going to happen. Nothing wrong with it, I am just wired to like girls. I do enjoy heterosexual sex and participate often.
2. dead babies…..that is just offensive.
3. free drugs would be great! Lets start with wine!
4. contraception is also great. condoms protect me from disease and unwanted pregnancy at a 99% rate….prayer wouldn’t have a chance of protecting me from those things at that efficiency level.
5. I happen to know my mom loves me and would cry at my funeral.
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mycomet123
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 5:50pmWho’s Reality? What is TRUTH?
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charliesouth
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:39pmTouche!
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qpwillie
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 5:50pmIf they want to spend their money renting billboard space with stupid text on it, let them have at it.
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Thundergod
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 5:45pmIts easy to figure that aetheists have no moral compass and what morals they do have are easily abandoned for whatever new beliefs fit their current agenda. They dont have to be consistent in their beliefs and can easily trade them off without being loyal to anything other than their own personal gain.
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athiest-infedel
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 5:57pmTry meeting a few before you judge, you will find most of us plesant people, we don’t have horns, and we don’t need god as a moral compass. Been married for 25yrs. to my first and only wife. The way christians make us out we just run around raping, murdering, cheating because we have no god.
I’m not good to people because of fear of hell, it’s just the right thing to do.
this is where you say I’m going to hell.
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TRVTH
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:01pmIn your opinion. Morals do not come from book of mythology, but from a civilized society respecting one another. Explain to me where your god and bible stand when we find life on another planet, even single cell life? Man has created myth to explain things he can not, the myth dies when science finds the truth.
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charliesouth
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:18pmWatch, how magically, Thundergod has absolutely nothing to respond with, except maybe accusing you of being a liar! Astonishing feat!
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vichoff
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:31pmtrvth…you don’t apparently understand what the bible is. There is nothing about it that prevents one from believing in life on other planets or universes….and certainly not a single cell. Still waiting however for science to CREATE on single cell out of nothing….replication don’t count. But your statement was just as judgmental and condescending as the folks you are so desperately are trying to prove/hope are wrong have unfortunately sometimes been in the past. As a matter of fact you sound much like a zealot.
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charliesouth
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:38pmVichoff, while I slightly agree with you, we are…well maybe getting close to creating with the SHC.
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PoliticalHeathen
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:23pmI’m a monogamous, charity giving, hard working atheist. I do all of that at my own accord with no fear pressure.
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God_Is_Not
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:45pm@thundergod
If you’re only moral because you’re trying to please a god then I am inclined to call your personal character into question. You should be good to others because it’s the right thing to do, not out of hope for a reward or fear of being punished.
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Pontiaku
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:25pm@TRVTH
“the myth dies when science finds the truth.”
Nah, they just invent new myths and distort facts to protect their fairytale. Just look at the creation museum…
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Whatmeworry-never
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 5:43pmI don’t think Athiests are corrupt or bad, misguided yes.
B-basic
I-instructions
B-before
L-leaving
E-earth
Read it, study it as their is a final exam at the end of class.
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charliesouth
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 5:48pmI like it when it’s genuine concern and not just arrogant chiding coming from you guys :)
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Pontiaku
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:19pmI don’t think the NASA would get very far if they used that as a checklist.
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charliesouth
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:13amf’n lolz
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 9:36amThat was pretty awesome Pontiak…
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TheCalmOne
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 9:37amPity you never took any English exams.
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:05pmEvery post 0_o it’s ubiquitous
Did y’all plan this raid?
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