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‘Doomsday Prepper’?: Gunman Who Killed Bus Driver and Took a Boy Hostage In Underground Bunker Is Alleged ‘Survivalist’

Jan. 31, 2013 8:17am Billy Hallowell

TheBlaze’s Jonathon M. Seidl contributed to this report.

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The bizarre story about an Alabama man who shot and killed a bus driver, abducted a child, hunkered down in an underground bunker and sparked a more than 30-hour (and counting) police standoff continues to take intriguing twists and turns. Among them, people close to the investigation claim that the perpetrator is a “survivalist,” an individual who is prepared with an underground location, food and supplies in case of potential catastrophe.

Jimmy Lee Dykes Is Allegedly a Doomsday Prepper | Alabama Bus Driver Shooting

Heavily armed men move away from the suspects home at the scene of a Dale County hostage scene in Midland City, Ala. on Wednesday Jan. 30, 2013. Authorities were locked in a standoff Wednesday with a gunman authorities say on Tuesday intercepted a school bus, killed the driver, snatched a 6-year-old boy and retreated into a bunker at his home in Alabama. Credit: AP

While police haven’t officially named the suspect, neighbors and sources claim that he is 65-year-old Jimmy Lee Dykes, a retired truck driver and Vietnam veteran who purportedly suffers from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). New-found details about his beliefs and alleged outlook on America, the government and impending disaster are now becoming centerpieces in various media accounts of the dangerous situation at hand.

WFSA-TV is just one outlet that reports that Dykes is purportedly a “doomsday prepper.” As of Thursday morning, this factoid was gaining steam, with media outlets providing little background about the movement that the suspect is being attached to. In addition to claiming that the accused is a potential survivalist, WFSA also reports that the underground bunker he built – the location he is suspected of keeping the child in — is stocked with food and other essentials.

In addition, some are claiming that Dykes holds anti-American views. However there do not seem to be corroborations or definitive assessments surrounding what, exactly, this means. CNN, among other outlets, has cited Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), a liberal group that monitors extremism in America. Potok claims that Dykes has been described as being ”very much standoffish and very much a loner,” but that any attachment to anti-government groups is currently unknown.

In his CNN appearance, the SPLC staffer touched upon preppers, claiming that, ”survivalism has been associated with the far right in this country for many years.” That said, Potok refrained from making sweeping generalizations about the movement being tied to any sort of violence or criminal activity.

“Certainly most preppers are not going to kill anyone or [conduct] any criminal violence,” he told host Anderson Cooper.

Watch Potok discuss survivalism and the suspect’s potential beliefs, below:

This isn’t the first time the “prepper” movement has been included in a tragedy. After the Newtown massacre, many were quick to point out that the mother of gunman Adam Lanza was focused on being prepared.

“It’s just brutal right now,” Phil Burns, co-founder of the American Preppers Network, told TheBlaze in an exclusive interview at the time. “I have a community to look out for and to protect. This is my passion and I don’t like seeing it demonized.”

“Preppers’ are being used as a scapegoat right now,” he added.

As he explained at the time, “preppers” can be a misleading term since there are really three categories: survivalists, doomsday preppers and conspiratorial preppers.

As for the incident itself, neighbor Mike Creel spoke with students on the bus and painted a shocking picture of the scenario that began earlier this week. Dykes allegedly boarded a school bus and killed the driver, managing to leave with one child who had fainted during the incident. Creel says the suspect then “retreated back onto his land” and hid himself — and the child — in “his homemade bomb shelter.” According to the neighbor, the bunker was one of the first things that Dyke started building two years ago when he moved onto the land.

Since Tuesday, the unnamed, 6-year-old child has been underground with the alleged captor. While the situation is still being described as “static,” the young boy is said to be okay. Authorities were reportedly able to get essential medication to him (New York Magazine reports that the medications he takes are for ADHD and Asperger’s syndrome).

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searching for the Truth
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:26am
Storm shelters will be put on lockdown for their underground activities.

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- jefftavolieri
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:22am
  I’ll bet $100 that if this whacko had the internet, he frequented theblaze and/or worldnutdaily.
  
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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:43am
  Jeff,
  I heard he had the Huffington Post delivered daily to his door step and had pictures of Arianna on his wall. He also deplored large soda pops and got a govt check each month. So, I am calling “prog”.
  
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- The_Almighty_Creestof
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 1:47pm
  once again they will focus on “guns” and “prepping”…insread of wondering why he was still on the streets and not locked up after killing neighbors pets, threatening kids with guns, etc.
  
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- katzkiner
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 2:00pm
  Every mass shooting the media screams “Tea Party, Tea Party!”. Then when the facts come out it is usually a left wing nut or just a nut. Sooner or later they are bound to be right. Tea Party folk do not even litter you slanderous liars.
  
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- robrendes
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 2:17pm
  I just hope that little boy gets out safely. If I were his mother, I would be distraught! I pray for God to watch over him. I can’t even imagine what he is going through. I can’t believe in a situation like this, CNN is making this a political issue. Just like them….”can’t waste a disaster”.
  
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- Fed up in Bama
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 2:53pm
  Just an FYI from someone that lives in AL…..WSFA leans to the left so far that I’ve actually argued w/ the news anchor numerous times on his reporting FACTS. He’s so far left, that he even once told me ‘Maybe you should start watching something besides Feaux News’. AH HA……That’s a liberal talking point and I caught him in the act. (Told him so ‘of course’) I’d wait until the FACTS come out.
  
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- keepthefaith
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:19pm
  At the bottom of the story it states that he is on medication for ADHD. Many of those medications cause suicidal or homicidal tendancies. I have a 10 year old nephew on some of those and he tried to hang himself. He had never done anything like that before the meds. To me this medication is a major flag in this story.
  
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- clinker
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 3:43am
  Get out the wide paint brush…….
  
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- gullyk9
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 7:29pm
  Keepthefaith, I read the statement regarding the meds as pertaining to the child, not the fruitloop
  
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Wyerd_001
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:20am
REALLY, this is journalism? You try the entire can in the so-called news? With no facts and based clearly on your bias assumptions? And we wonder what is wrong with the world these days?

What’s next…A BAN ON CANNED FOOD?!?!?!

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- objectivetruth
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:47am
  Wait I can see the headlines now.Supermarkets across the country are on trial for supporting survivalists by horror of horrors selling canned goods.I know it sounds silly and a good laugh but the way these nuts are acting it might become true.That in itself should make you think.
  
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- daniel3839
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:47am
  Right. I suppose we are to believe that this guy is not “MENTALLY ILL”? Every single incident that happens in this nation as bad as this one and the mass shootings involves LUNATICS and NUT CASES.
  
  All related to Mental Illness.
  
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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:17am
  Yep, pretty soon they will ban Supermarkets from selling entire 24 can cases of corn and beans. ” only 2 cans per customer please”.
  
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- truthnstuff
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:20am
  The Blaze is not concerned about truth in reporting or maybe even facts. It is about pull quotes, and sensationalism in order to get hits on a story.
  
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- AZRACISTBIGOT
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:07am
  This guy is just plain Nuts. This BS started with him when he decided he needed to shoot the bus driver and kidnap the kid. It will probably end with him when he puts a gun to his head and blows his brains out.
  
  So, Whats next? Do we take the Doomsday Prepper show off of TV and ban the sale of bulk foods?
  
  I just hope to God that this whack job doesn’t decide to take the kid with him.
  
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- Wolf
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 4:33pm
  But… but… gee, Wyerd- “…Potok claims that Dykes has been described as being ”very much standoffish and very much a loner,” so the guy MUST be guilty. After all, the SPLC personally knows every prepper in the world and exactly how they think. And we know the SPLC has only our best interests at heart, is all for preservation of life, liberty and the persuit of happiness and surely wants us able to defend ourselves when we need to.
  
  So before you accuse us of being bad, you should at least consider our evidence. Gosh- you’d think we were flying off the handle or something silly like listening to hear-say. Golly gee, cut us some slack, wouldja?
  
  (In case you can’t tell: Sarcasm key unlocked.)
  
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- Wyerd_001
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:38pm
  After all this is Alabama, not Mississippi where hurricanes go to, has to be a bunker not a storm shelter…after all, who would stock food and water in a storm shelter anyhow. As we learned from “super storm sandy”, that “money only” donations to the Red Cross and FEMA are all we need.
  
  Must be a right-wing fanatic
  
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JQCitizen
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:20am
Neighbors: “Bunker suspect is strange.”

JQ Citizen: Piers Morgan is STRANGE! (I don’t even need to watch the vid to know that)!

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TotallyNotATroll
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:15am
They’ve been pushing this agenda for 30 years, and is the reason most people quit labeling themselves ‘survivalist’. Because if you mentioned you wanted to prepare for a disaster, or an apocalypse, or just a 3 week long power outage you were lumped in with whack jobs that wanted to break away from the government and destroy the world. People shy from the new label ‘prepper’ even though if your a practicing mormon, and their are a lot of them, you’re supposed to have at least a year of food in your storage. But if you told anyone, oh my god, its a prepper survivalist, shun them…
I once saw a ridiculous childrens book put out in the 90s that showed a kid exploring some random cave in the woods and ran into ammo laying on the floor, to which the book extolled how preppers just throw their stuff in random holes and might come kill you if you find them. This whole subject gets wierd attention it does not deserve.

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- Big Media Bias
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:35am
  Yep. Look at FEMA… their mission statement is National Doomsday Prepping. They give advice for doomsday preppers on their websites. You’ll never change the hateful opinion of a liberal in their cozy fantasy world. Just attack them back relentlessly. It always works for me. Shuts their big fat mouth for a while.
  
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- objectivetruth
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:55am
  Yeah I agree with you.Then again I live in an area where most prepare for power outages and weather related problems.We have never refered to ourselves as preppers.Simply citizens with common sense.
  By the way at least here if they were to lump us all in together many officers and court officials along with many on city council would have the label attached to them as well.It wouldn’t stop them from gardening nor preparing for weather related problems.Somehow I don’t think they would stop the normal citizen from doing so either.
  This is just another attempt at internal destruction.This will be used as all the rest were.Its truly pathetic how far they will go to advance a dead and dieing cause.
  
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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:23am
  You guys got it. The govt has hundreds of secret bunkers loaded with food, beds, water, weapons, filtered air, armored doors, gas masks etc. So THEY can survive while we fight it out on the surface. But God forbid a regular schmuck has pistol and couple of cans of beans in his basement.
  
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SpankDaMonkey
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:10am
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This is not going to end well for the child or the nutjob…………

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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:18am
  I have a question. What are we paying the slacker cops that are hanging out by the squad cars behind the lines? What are they good for if they cannot take care of business other than entrapping motorists and otherwise bleeding us dry of our cash? Hell, why not just make all of them SWAT goons and send the other deadbeats home.
  
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- SpankDaMonkey
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:46am
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  Mil I’d just start pumping smoke down that PVC pipe and get it over with already. As far as all the cops standing around doing nothing, at least their standing and not sitting in the car with the A/C on doing nothing………..
  
  Sad thing is if the child gets killed, Democrat Politicans starting with Obama will dance on his little grave to advance their cause……….
  
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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:16am
  They will not only dance on his grave, they will have a party late into the evening, complete with Beyonce lip sinking “Hallalula”. Points taken Spank. Thanks bro.
  
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- Sosorryforyou
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 5:28pm
  You people are disgusting. There is a terrified little boy down there. HAVE YOU NO SHAME. You are absolutely disgusting individuals, and it’s you two who are politicizing this tragic situation, not the Left.
  
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CarolinaGirl
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:10am
Wake up people! This man was obviously deranged and mentally ill. He beat a neighbor’s dog with a lead pipe and it died. That’s enough to have the man committed to a psych facility and hold him over by the authorities. Neighbors knew he had a gun and had threatened others. GEEZ! Wake up and start reporting what you see….mentally unbalanced potential murderers! STOP being so politically correct! I hope the boy’s family sues the pants off the local law enforcement for not doing something before this tradgedy started. Wake up!

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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:21am
  You see, local law enforcement are under orders not to intervene. They WANT nutjob episodes to occur so they can frame the narrative and further the commie-pinko cause, where only they are free. Plus, they really want some trigger time. What’s one little boys life compared to that? His life is worthless compared to the points the govt scores when these things happen.
  
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- DougHuffman
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:33am
  One must be blind to be on-line and not know that dogs are a primary target for local law enFORCEment. They’re JBT’s free-range targets. To force moral equivalency of beast and men is a very slippery-slope.
  
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- objectivetruth
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:44am
  Sorry but his taking of the dogs life doesn’t necessarily make him crazy.Did the dog attack him?Running loose?Sorry but I absolutely love animals including dogs.However if one atacked me[very unlikely]and I had to defend myself I would.So he is a loner.That doesn’t make him crazy either.Neither does having a bunker.What should have been reported to law enforcement?The fact his neighbors were afraid of him and saw him as odd?Ok share it it still isn’t enough of a reason for them to arrest him.You sound like you would give up your freedom for security.Remember in the end you will have neither through that choice.
  Sorry to say sometimes people simply snap.There isn’t always a way to know or prevent it.
  
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- daniel3839
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:58am
  That’s my point exactly. This nation has a MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEM and the nuts are preying on society while our LEADERS allow them all to walk the streets free TO KEEP THEM FROM HAVING TO PAY FOR THEIR TREATMENT.
  
  They want to ban guns instead of treating the PROBLEM. NUT CASES. Every single mass shooting was perpetrated by LUNATICS, severe mental illness. You look at the pictures of the mass shooters side by side and it looks like the cast of “One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest” !
  
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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:29am
  Objective,
  You are correct. I was just slamming the cops for fun. For the most part they do a good job. A couple of nutjobs of their own thrown in for good measure. I agree. You can’t just go around arresting people that others find “odd” Screw them. I was just poking fun at the cops for being trigger happy and looking like they are on an expedition to the North Pole with all that SWAT gear. Your statements are right on the money.
  
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- RemoteCoderz
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 12:23pm
  The dog had it coming! If it would have only wagged it’s tail a bit more, whined a bit less, then none of this would have happened. Can’t you see?
  
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:06am
Why do I sense a bad ending coming from this = survivalist, doomsday prepper and allegedly has anti-american views of the world…sounds like Ruby Ridge propaganda again.

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- naughtycal
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:13am
  This isn’t the first time the “prepper” movement has been included in a tragedy. After the Newtown massacre, many were quick to point out that the mother of gunman Adam Lanza was focused on being prepared
  WTH, Congress needs to pass a law denying citizens the right to be prepared for emergencies,economic,natural and other disasters. We can’t have citizens who don’t need the government running around being ready for all the curveballs life might throw at them.(sarc)
  
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- naughtycal
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:15am
  How many agents were sent to prison for the murders at ruby ridge,waco,or the death caused by fast and furious……IS ZERO AN ACTUAL NUMBER
  
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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:15am
  You are correct Snow. And if any of you forgot, Randy Weaver, the “target” of Ruby Ridge, repeatedly refused to alter shotgun as requested by the FBI informant. Only upon incessant insistence on the part of the FBI rat did he finally acquiesce. Then, they said “GET HIM!!!!!!!!!!!”. Innocent woman and children lost their lives so some joker could get a notch on his belt. That is the US federal govt in a nutshell. Disgusting.
  
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- coachsmac
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:26am
  He needed help, but due to budget cuts our ex-service members are thrown to the curb to fend for themselves. This is a sad situation and it will not end well, but the blame lies on the hands of those send our men and women off to places discord, ask them to restore order without having the ability to really make a difference and then ignore them when they get home and are messed up! He was not a “Prepper”, he was a loner who had no help and the world is his enemy!! Sad, just sad that we have let our people down!! But on the other hand he could just be a nutjob and somebody should have put him down a long time ago!! Either way, pray for the child and the bus drivers family, they did not deserve this!
  
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VetMike
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:05am
Why is the media ignoring the fact that this guy is well known for his bizarre behavior? “He is a survivalist; he killed a bus driver and kidnapped a child therefore all survivalists are murderers and kidnapers” He is a prepper; he killed a bus driver and kidnaped a child therefore all preppers are a danger to society”
Liberals use these sorts of falacious arguments constantly in order to further their agenda. The media never seems to call them out. This guy has some very serious issues. The fact that he stores food, owns guns, has an underground bunker, is is tall or short; has blue eyes or brown has absolutely no bearing on his actions. From his behavior he is likely paranoid schizophrenic (and yes I have the training and background to say that) and his behavior was certainly known to the community. can we lock up every person that is paranoid schizophrenic, a sociopath or a psychopath? Most unlikely. Can we force them to obtain treatment and/or take medication? No and I would not want to see that either. Answer: I don’t have one.

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Zipit
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:01am
I hear that he’s a member of the tea party too! And he listens to Rush, and drives a gas guzzling truck, and, and barbecues polar bears, and he voted for Sarah Palin!! Crazy I know!!!

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- biohazard23
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:42am
  You forgot that he also operates a coal-burning stove, eats trans-fats, loves watching football, buys regular sodas larger than 16 ounces, and sets his thermostat at 70 degrees in the summertime.
  
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- SimpleTruths
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:48am
  Actually, I think you might be on to something. At least the Sarah Palin part.
  
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- Zipit
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:10pm
  I gotta c-note says Sarah Palin could kick SIMPLES pimples a$$ into next week!
  
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HOOT_OWL
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:59am
Posse Comitatus Act my ass.

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- DougHuffman
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:45am
  On September 26, 2006, President Bush urged Congress to consider revising federal laws so that U.S. armed forces could restore public order and enforce laws in the aftermath of a …, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition. These changes were included in the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007 (H.R. 5122), which was signed into law on October 17, 2006.
  
  In 2008, these changes in the Insurrection Act of 1807 were repealed in their entirety, reverting to the previous wording of the Insurrection Act[7] that in its original form was written to limit Presidential power as much as possible in the event of insurrection, rebellion, or lawlessness.
  
  The Lord of Lies has tried and, so far, failed to expand his authority under NDAA. MOLON LABE Lord of Flies
  
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NoMoMrNiceGuy
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:48am
Well they have to marginalize the “Prepper” and he seemed like a good way to do it. Do not misunderstand, I am NOT on this guys side. What he did was crazy wrong. Just sayin, this will be an attempt to drive “PREPPERS” further underground and make us/them scary monsters.

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- Thatsitivehadenough
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:52am
  The Obama regime are the REALLY scary preppers. Arming civil servants, black hawk’s in multiple cities, Russians training on American soil. Any American who’s NOT a prepper, will be caught in his trap.
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:02am
  It’s a good excuse for the Feds to start spying on anyone stockpiling food.
  
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- YOURSENSEI
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:16am
  Mr or Ms GONZO,
  
  This is what you must know:
  
  Lindon Farms is a Soros shill company. Mountain House is an FBI sting operation. Same with Heirloom Seeds. DO NOT purchase anything from these tracker organizations. (No real prepper ever would anyway, but word to the wise.) Stick to organics – GRINDABLE! – rain catchment system – and guns/ammo. Bug IN not out. And poop in a bucket! Yay!
  
  It is so.
  
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jcldwl
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:46am
To quote a line from my favorite movie. “What have you people got against being prepared!” But on a serious note I hope they do find the boy unharmed. This guy is obviously off his rocker.

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- truthnstuff
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:27am
  Local news reports the boy is fine. He is watching TV, getting food, coloring books. While this is a bad situation it is certainly made worse by the media rush for viewers and sensationalism. The media and the government will exploit this as they do everything for their own agenda. If we got rid of the 24/hr news cycle and 90% of government we would have a chance.
  
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Gonzo
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:43am
Something tells me he won’t survive this one. I pray the child does.

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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:55am
  Even if he surrenders, they will murder him anyway. Just for the fun of it and/or to make a psy-op out of it. So they can paint him as a conservative, even though he might be a prog. Since he will be smoked, it will be their version that we get, not the dead mans. They will not let this crisis go to waste, they will use it to smear us all. And by the way, did you get a load of the SWAT goons? You would think they were going on a 3 week mission into the jungles of Ecuador with all that crap and gear. Can you just imagine how cowardly they would be if they didn’t have all that body armor and 10 guys backing them up? All to defend against a 65 year old goat? Pffffttt….
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:23am
  Dot, he shot an unarmed bus driver to death and kidnapped a kid, Witnessed by a bunch of Southern kids. Don’t pity him, he brought this on himself.
  
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- DougHuffman
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:26am
  Good point; dead men tell no tales.
  
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- objectivetruth
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:08am
  @gonzo
  Sorry but he has a point.If the guy is paranoid sending that amount of firepower may not be the best answer.You forget most military and their children have little trust in civilian law enforcement.They see them as a ticket for the enemy to use.[They are right too in many cases-the enemy sends backscattered lies to harrass and torture their targets through the use of cops medical systems exc] It might be better to have them stand down and have someone he does trust deal with the situation.Sometimes one trusted person can get more accomplished than a whole slew of untrusted people.
  Well that is if they really are trying to save the childs life and not simply using the tragedy for their own purposes.
  
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- YOURSENSEI
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:19am
  Mr or Ms MIL-DOT,
  
  This is what you must know:
  
  You’re right, of corse, this man is a hero, a patriot. He deserves our respect. And if I were part of that bus driver’s family, I’d already be collecting donations for his defense fund and / or his funeral. How about you, would you like to make a contribution?
  
  It is so.
  
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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:38am
  Gonzo.
  I don’t pity the man. He is wacked out Don’t put words in my mouth. I was just saying the govt is not really interested in justice, fairness and honesty. They are interested in power and will do ANYTHING to get and or keep it. They have a wacko in a hole with a kid, they are gonna run like a cheetah with it. Thats all I was saying you patriot. I know , he smoked a bus driver. But we will never know why. The goons have the ball now.
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:46am
  I don’t doubt that there may be better tactics to use Object. I’m just saying don’t make this into some kind of government conspiracy. The man is a murderer and a child abductor. He deserves what he gets.
  
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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:50am
  You know what’s funny? That this Sensai freak keeps addressing people with “Mr or Mrs” so and so…..
  Classic projection. You see, when a prog does not know what sex he is himself or goes both ways, he cannot discern the gender of another very easily. Thus the ambiguity in his address. It is so.
  
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- YOURSENSEI
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:08am
  Mr or Ma MIL DOT,
  
  This is what you must know:
  
  Wow, conjure that one up all on your own, did ya? Stunning. Now, about that donation . . .
  
  It is so.
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:24am
  Sensei,
  This is what you must know: Nobody here gives a flying f*** what you think.
  
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- YOURSENSEI
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:31am
  Mr or Ms GONZO,
  
  This is what you must know:
  
  I’m not here to find mindless agreement to a stunted world view, that’s your hobby. I’m here to feed you the bitter fruit of truth.
  
  It is so.
  
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- objectivetruth
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 12:38pm
  @gonzo
  Believe me I’m not defending him or what he did.I just think there may be a better way of dealing with it than what they are doing.I’m sorry if my post led you to believe that I was defending his actions in any way.I assure you I’m not and won’t.
  
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Mil-Dot
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:41am
So, we have one guy holding a hostage in a bunker. And we have, what, about 150 cops and SWAT creeps running around? Little bit of overkill don’t you think? Yep, lets pull every single last goon with a badge away from protecting the rest of the county so they can enter the lottery to see who gets to plug the guy. What a joke. Who makes these decisions anyway?

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- ChiefGeorge
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:20am
  Its really to show the rest of us how they will respond…esp when the guy is a socalled prepper.
  
  These things happen all the time around this country, the local SAWT team and a handful of officers are usually on site because this is more important than collecting revenue through victimless crimes ie traffic citations. Ruby Ridge was a perfect example of overkill by the government.
  
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TheGreatSociety
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:41am
What is the opposite of a prepper? A welfare recipient? Which of the two commit more crimes involving guns?

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- Pigpen
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:59am
  “What is the opposite of a prepper? A welfare recipient? Which of the two commit more crimes involving guns?”
  
  This is the most insightful, funny, and all around most awesome post I have seen in a long, long, time! Bravo to THEGREATSOCIETY. I am still waiting to hear what relationship this “prepper” (whatever the H3LL that is) has to the kidnappee. My money is on the child is HIS CHILD who was lost in a custody hearing. THAT IS WHY NO INFORMATION IS FORTHCOMING FROM OFFICIAL CHANNELS! If we all heard that this man was kidnapping his OWN KID, we would all BE SCREAMING FOR THE BIG TOUGH SOLDIERS TO BACK DOWN AND LEAVE HIM ALONE! But, I don’t honestly know. Still could be some total pervert who has kidnapped a random kid and is doing horrible things to him, BUT it is interesting that we STILL HAVEN’T SEEN THE PARENTS ANYWHERE!
  
  Anyway, I am so glad that POTOK is out running his mouth about my fellow whites. You see WHiT3Y, this all fits into the scenario outlined by the GENIUS Kevin MacDonald in “Culture of Critique”. If you are truly a “free thinker” I dare you to read it. On the bright side, all these coincidental “random” acts of gun violence are making many of you “rational” people finally see the light. Know the tune to “Brother John”?
  
  Project Monarch, Project Monarch,
  It is real. It is real.
  Heard it in Congressional Testimony,
  Heard it in Congressional Testimony.
  Ding, dang, dong. Ding, dang, dong.
  Ding, dang, dong. Ding, dang, dong.
  
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- Endyr
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:09am
  How many rounds of ammunition has DHS procured? How many tons of long storage food has DHS procured? How many tons of medical supplies has DHS procured? How many MASH-style portable hospitals has DHS assembled? Who’s prepping?
  
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- UXO
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:11am
  Was thing the same thing but you beat me to it…So true
  
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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:57am
  Pigpen,
  They don’t call him “Great” for nothing. Also, I was thinking the same thing. It could be his kid, the ex hung him to dry like they always do and he freaked. Good post.
  
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Lordchamp
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:38am
Here comes the next crisis requiring more taking of our freedoms.

Stockpiling food and supplies now will be banned because it makes you dangerous.

All these “things” that do all these terrible things to us must be controlled by the only ones capable, the government of course.

It, of course, could not possibly be humans doing bad things.

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SamIamTwo
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:36am
Loan wolf nutters, dime a dozen…every town I’ve lived in know who they are and no one does anything to check them out till a crime is committed…it’s the dems that let the nuts out of the nut house back in the 80′s.

Prob start up internment camps for the nutters, eh?

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TheGreatSociety
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:35am
”survivalism has been associated with the far right in this country for many years.”

So what is the opposite of a “survivalist”?

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- floridaborn
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:43am
  A starving moron?
  
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- DZ-015
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:53am
  An Obamaphone zombie?
  
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- DougHuffman
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:21am
  Sheeple waiting to be shorn (annually of taxes), or waiting for the knackers knock and the butcher shop.
  
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Blivit
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:34am
Danger Will Robinson!! Now its time to register underground shelters and stocks of food and water in addition to guns… and anyone have one can’t have the other! ‘Prepper’ shows will be pulled from TV, or lists of viewers will be monitored, don’t think your satellite box can keep track of that?? guess again! No more interstate shipping of dehydrated food, and background checks needed for transfering extra vegitables from your garden to your neighbors and for purchase of canning jars or lids!! and heaven forbid you try to buy a large capacity lid dispenser or bulk boxes of lids!!!

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DougHuffman
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:31am
While the situation may be static, I see plenty of paras – paramilitarized internal security – on the clock.

When the rabbit goes in his hole, you put Barney Fife on it, with one round, to minimize “collateral damage” to the hostage. Remember Waco, remember Ruby Ridge, remember Lon Horiuchi.

MOLON LABE Fly guy.

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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:48am
  I remember Horiuchi. He was a goon sniper that shot a woman in the face while she was holding a baby in her arms at Ruby Ridge. Nice huh? These are the type of creeps that roam around with the letters “FBI” on their uniforms.
  
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- circleDwagons
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:50am
  Don’t we have bunker busters?
  
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- DougHuffman
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:57am
  A bunker-buster would remove any doubt about the effect of posse comitatus.
  
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toiletclogga
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:29am
Here comes the Democrat marginalization of the survivalists alert enough to see what’s coming down the road! Maybe we should point out the political affiliation of all gunmen who commit murder in the cities across America. My gut tells me it is overwhelmingly Democrat!

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circleDwagons
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:29am
I heard he had a t.v. so all is well.

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shorelineliz
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:27am
This situation is obviously another “mental illness” case and many Vietnam Vets remain untreated since the war either drinking or drugging themselves to death. But, once again, they will make it about guns instead of mental illness. Geez. Can’t wait for all the media flummoxing on this especially that spineless toady Piers Morgan. Can’t wait until he comments on another thing about “guns” the gutless moron! Hay Piers! Why don’t you talk about the incessant rate of HOME INVASIONS and STABBINGS since the UK disarmed all its citizens, huh? huh?

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PHOTOMOM
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:27am
Oh sure. The media will fixate on him being a prepper instead of being nuts.

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- Keatonc33
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:34am
  the two are synonymous
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:17am
  Lil Keatie I would take a prepper over a 0 fluffer any day. Fluff on.
  
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DougHuffman
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:26am
SPLC Potok, ”survivalism has been associated with the far right in this country for many years.”

I say blissfully ignorant sheeple herds have been common in this country for many years.

Lock and load. MOLON LABE Lord of Lies, Lord of Flies.

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