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Study: EPA-Approved Ethanol Gasoline Blend Found to Gunk Up Engines

Jan. 31, 2013 7:56pm Liz Klimas

Coordinating Research Council Report Finds E15 Ethanol Blend Could Break Fuel Pumps and Lead to Engine Failure

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The ethanol-gasoline blend E15 was approved by the EPA for vehicles manufactured after 2001, but a new report finds the 15 percent allowance of ethanol into the fuel might be gumming up engines.

The report by the oil and auto industry supported organization Coordinating Research Council ultimately found that some fuel pumps and level senders in car models made between 2001 and 2007 — representing 29 million cars — failed or showed negative effects due to the use of E15.

American Petroleum Institute Group Director of Downstream and Industry Operations Bob Greco said in a press release the effects of the fuel could lead to engine breakdown.

Greco said E15 could lead to fuel gauge and check engine light problems, in addition to more seriously breaking parts that could prevent the flow of fuel into the engine.

The fuel issues did not seem to be present during the CRC tests that used E10 or E0.

“Failure of these components could result in breakdowns that leave consumers stranded on busy roads and highways,” Greco said in a statement. “It is difficult to precisely calculate how many vehicles E15 could harm. That depends on how widely it is used and other factors. But, given the kinds of vehicles tested, it is safe to say that millions could be impacted.”

Greco continued saying he believes the EPA was wrong to give the “green light” to E15 while tests were still going on.

“EPA’s action was irresponsible,” he said. “Why did EPA move forward prematurely? Part of the answer may be the need to raise the permissible concentration level of ethanol so that greater volumes could be used, as required by the federal Renewable Fuel Standard. Most gasoline sold today is an E10 blend, but rising volume requirements under the law can’t be met much longer without going to higher blends. When Congress passed the law, it could not know it was creating this problem.”

Greco said API would advocate, with the problem presented in the study regarding the use of E15, that the Renewable Fuel Standard be repealed.

The pro-ethanol group Growth Energy said in a statement the findings of CRC’s study come as no surprise to them.

“Oil companies are desperate to prevent the use of higher blends of renewable fuels,” Growth Energy Chief Executive Tom Buis said. “To see what’s driving them, ‘follow the money,’ as every gallon of renewable fuel that enters the market reduces Big Oil’s market share. Obviously they have deep pockets in which to fund studies that can at best be described as incomplete and cherry picking.”

Bruis continued pointing out that the Department of Energy criticized CRC’s earlier study testing E15 last year, and he said that the DOE had conducted more than 6 million miles of tests using E15.

Featured image via Shutterstock.com.

(H/T: Washington Examiner)

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oxycontinxx
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:13am
do you know what ethanol does to outboard motors?

hell, i dont have a clue. it cost me $730 to get it fixed.

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- THX-1138
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 9:16am
  This is why I buy my gas at the local Marina where I can get pure gasoline (at a ridiculous price of course). My P71 *loves* the real thing….
  
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horsefeathers99
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:21am
Many years ago in our state, all gas had to include ethanol because our liberal governor fought for it.
Since then we have been getting bad mileage.
Small engines have been failing as did with our riding mower and many other people’s small engine equipment have been destroyed because of it.

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- brotherjohn
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:17pm
  A few years ago I bought an inexpensive lawn mower from a local big box store. I filled it with the same gas that I put in my car and it started fine…ONCE. The second time it was difficult to start and after I shut it off the second time, IT NEVER STARTED AGAIN.
  
  Now I know it was the ethanol. Back then I didn’t have a clue.
  
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- glassaudioguy
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 10:38pm
  Brotherjohn and anyone else reading this post- ALWAYS use premium gas WITHOUT ethanol in small engines.
  
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woodyee
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:08pm
“They” have known about this for years – I think it was Rush Limbaugh that was amongst those raising the red flag several years ago. But you know how it is with the Left – they know EVERYTHING – until they muck things up royally, then they come back with “Well, I intentions were good.”

It’s what they’ll say when the first dirty bomb hits L.A. or Spokane – those are the two places of Al-Qaeda publicly known failed attempts. We’ll learn that the bomb(s) were brought over the Mexican/US border…”Oh, well, we just COULDN’T racially profile, and what would our economy look like with all the contributions from Illegal Aliens?”

When your car or truck dies on the freeway during rush our due to ethanol. or should the ambulance stall on the way to the hospital, or a dirty bomb goes off in a major city causing the market to crash, or if you simply can’t afford to buy gas and food at the same time due to higher prices and gases…

Thank the Democrat you voted for. The rest of us may not have your problem, and if some of us do, we’ll rightly blame a Democrat – and a few Repubs…

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- Max jones
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:39pm
  If there is one thing progressives are, when it comes to their agenda points, it is short-sighted.
  Just like this Gun control thing going on…….
  
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- G-WHIZ
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 10:34am
  Don’t forget the PRICE OF CORN caused the price of food in MEXICO and other poorer countries to TRIPPLE&UP!! Corn is up to 85% of their diet….AND WE ARE BURNNING CORN UP IN OUR GASTANKS AND DIESELTANKS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY!! It takes dousins of ears/corn to make a quart of ethanol…which is way-slower-burnning than plain gasoline and causes sludge and varnish in gas-engines. It also absorbs WATER which causes rust and other corrosions in carburation-systems. Alcohol dissolves certain gasket/o-ring sealsdiaphrams and causes leaks.
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:52am
  I approve of natural, mother nature made energy sources.
  
  Such as coal and oil.
  
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RoguePO
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:02pm
I could have told you this from the start!

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AxelPhantom
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:51pm
All I can say is DUH!!! I have a flex fuel truck and using ethanol got me stranded in the middle of Gator Ally in Florida 5 years ago. Thank goodness for AAA.

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ALL4FREEDOM
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:47pm
The real insanity is using corn (food) to manufacture a supplemental fuel we don’t need (huge domestic petroleum reserves in the ground) that actually lowers gas mileage (alcohol has less horsepower than gas) while at the same time increasing MPG ratings standards (that force manufacturers to make less safe vehicles to save on weight) and subsidizing the whole mess (which raises prices on both food AND fuel) while the economy is tanking and fewer and fewer people have money to pay for anything. Wow.

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- JohnnyFree
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 9:22am
  You are right about corn being a bad crop to make ethanol out of, it is the least efficient way to do it, but like they said follow the money trail. Strong corn lobby. Ethanol is the replacement oxygenator Feds forced the gas companies to put in after finding out the btex/mtbe they made them ad causes cancer. That stuff was added in the 70s to “trick” carb cars into running leaner. With computerized fuel injection it won’t make a difference because the computer monitors everything and keeps the air fuel ratio perfect all the time.
  Ethanol has the potential to make more power than gas, but the engine has to be set up to do it. E85 has an octane rating of about 105, so you can but compression ratios above 12:1. Ethanol has a cooling effect on the incoming air so it reduces detonation, but you have to increase the fuel flow by roughly 25% to keep the engine from running lean (worse fuel mileage). Most test I have read show about the same peak horsepower, but 15 to 20 ft/lb more torque. Makes for cheap race gas when race gas with the same octane is $7-$8 per gallon. There a couple of good articles on it in Hot Rod and Car Craft magazine.
  
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- Metalstr8jckt
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 2:10pm
  @JOHNNYFREE: Some good info on Ethanol. Methanol or “wood alcohol” is not the same as “Corn squeezins” and has a higher energy content.
  
  Large scale methanol production can be from natural gas. Enviro-Nazi’s are “worried” about global methane emissions (Ha) Naturally occurring in nature. Marsh gas, sea beds, farts…etc.
  The compound MTBE you mentioned above is named by the EPA as a carcinogen. I will not dispute that. Most all hydrocarbon based formulations are carcinogenic.
  
  The difference with methanol added to gasoline formulas is that the fuel can remain stable and viable for years, instead of weeks like gasoline with current ethanol additives.
  
  If you are big government and you want to control supply/demand/costs and consumer use, you remove stability of the fuel( The product shelf life ) nefarious and insidious isn’t it?
  
  Big government control at work, hiding behind environmental scare tactics. Business as usual.
  
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- Metalstr8jckt
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 2:41pm
  @JOHNNYFREE: Before the removal of Tetraethylead from consumer gasoline vehicles, in the early 1970′s I can remember my father using stored 100 octane leaded gasoline from a (sealed) container, and refueling the lawnmower after six months storage. Unlike E-85 gas of today, Start-up was on the first or second pull of the rope for the 3-1/2 hp. Briggs engine-Old school, and no C.A.R.B. compliant diaphragm carb. It had a float bowl with needle and seat, choke valve and idle jets/mixture screw.
  
  TEL or ‘Lead’ is an organic compound and extremely toxic, but is still used to this day in Aviation Gasoline. (I believe a British company produces the majority of the world supply)
  It is a great octane enhancer and promotes valve seat life.
  
  MTBE is produced from methanol. MTBE works well for increasing octane as well., But the “Power” in control does not want people to have access to long term fuel storage, and will continue mandating energy companies to produce products detrimental to your engine and your independence.
  
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- Stealth52
  Posted on February 13, 2013 at 1:58am
  Take a reality check on ethanol and get educated. It does not ruin the engine. Ever used an ice out product in your fuel tank years ago. It’s Alcohol which attracts the water gets it to mix with the fuel to get it out of the tank. We still have boo Koo land in conservancy. Meaning our Federal Government pays the farmers not to plant their land. What we need is a way to cheaply convert wood scrap. It would make all our Woods and forest look like a park and not waste anything. Might cut down on forest fires as well. Our forest are full of scrap laying on the ground just waiting to burn. Check out German Forest……… all like a park. Don’t believe me just check it out for your self!
  
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wellright
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:46pm
The pro-ethanol group Growth Energy said in a statement the findings of CRC’s study come as no surprise to them.

“Oil companies are desperate to prevent the use of higher blends of renewable fuels,” Growth Energy Chief Executive Tom Buis said. “To see what’s driving them, ‘follow the money,’ as every gallon of renewable fuel that enters the market reduces Big Oil’s market share. Obviously they have deep pockets in which to fund studies that can at best be described as incomplete and cherry picking.”

Could this be projection. The pro ethanol group, perhaps, sees their own shortcomings and blames the oil co. Nobody funded my study. Just old fashioned mileage logs at each fillup.

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RDMercer
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:15pm
Has the EPA ever done anything right? Of course not. Criminals rarely do.

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spfoam1
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:04pm
Ethanol production results in huge quantities of CO2. The CO2 is eventually released into the atmosphere, one way or another. Ethanol production, and the use of ethanol in vehicles, does the opposite of what the greenies claim.

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- wellright
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:12pm
  Exzacktleeeey
  
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- Stealth52
  Posted on February 13, 2013 at 2:07am
  Thank You!!!!!!!
  
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- Stealth52
  Posted on February 13, 2013 at 2:46am
  Thank You!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let’s make it cellulose Wood, Switch grass and weeds?
  
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wellright
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:55pm
Remember a few years back, when the Chicken Ranch( Nevada Brothel) was taken over by the IRS for back taxes. They couldn’t make a profit selling WOMEN and WHISKEY. They certainly have no idea what they are doing. Most of the problem is that Congress has abrogated their responsibility to legislate, and turned it over to committees and agencies. Your laws are being written by the EPA, OSHA,DOT, NEA etc.
Who did you vote for in the EPA, or OSHA. They do not answer to anyone, and have become a power unto themselves. If congressional sessions were every other year for only long enough to approve a two year budget, they would do a lot less damage to the country, the economy, and the PEOPLE. Maybe then they would concentrate on the important areas.

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- No Grass
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:09pm
  @wellright – Did you mean “Abdicate” and not Abrogate?
  
  http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/abrogate?s=t
  
  abrogate
  ab·ro·gate
  Verb
  1. to abolish by formal or official means; annul by an authoritative act; repeal: to abrogate a law.
  2. to put aside; put an end to.
  
  Can be confused: abdicate, abrogate, arrogate, derogate.
  
  Synonyms
  1. cancel, revoke, rescind, nullify, void, invalidate.
  
  Antonyms
  1. ratify, establish; preserve.
  ————
  
  http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/abdicate
  
  abdicate
  ab·di·cate
  verb (used without object)
  1. to renounce or relinquish a throne, right, power, claim, responsibility, or the like, especially in a formal manner: The aging founder of the firm decided to abdicate.
  
  verb (used with object)
  2. to give up or renounce (authority, duties, an office, etc.), especially in a voluntary, public, or formal manner: King Edward VIII of England abdicated the throne in 1936.
  
  Can be confused: abdicate, abrogate, arrogate, derogate.
  
  Synonyms
  1. resign, quit. 2. abandon, repudiate.
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- wellright
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:26pm
  thank you .. got my fingers movin’ faster than my brain… It’s hell gettin old
  
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- wellright
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:42pm
  And no edit clicker thanks again or should I say Gracias, GRASS!
  
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Thundergod
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:36pm
Like Duh! Why are those who do government studies the last to figure out what is common sense to the rest of us?

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- I_AM_HARRISON_BERGERON
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:21pm
  Oh, they didn’t just figure it out. They knew it when they were trying to shovel this crap down our throats. I knew when they were publishing all the facts and figures that something was quite wrong. So I ignored that they always instructed on how the math was to be solved that supposedly proved how beneficial it was. When I took just the numbers without the rhetoric they did in fact add up… just not to what they were trying to tell us. Then, when the stuff hit the pumps, my math was confirmed to a tee. Quite simply when the formulas are simplified, they equate to 10% ethanol 90% gasoline blend = 22% less gas mileage on average. Or 22% more blended fuel to go the same distance as 100% gasoline, If the fuel has 10% ethanol then an additional 12% more gasoline must be burned plus the 10% ethanol. Put another way, a car that will travel 200 miles on 10 gallons of 100% gas will require 11 gallons of gasoline and 2.2 gallons of ethanol to travel the same 200 miles. The math works, and I have verified it on multiple vehicles from SUV to compact.
  They sold us that one gallon of blend pollutes 10% less than one gallon of gasoline… But it requires 22% more to do the same work….
  
  THEY KNEW… THEY HAD AN AGENDA… WE LOST!!!
  
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- searching for the Truth
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:35pm
  Yes, but they say cars are easy to replace!
  
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Colklink1957
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:34pm
I am a service manager at a GM Dealership, and i will tell you, ethanol, in a word, s—-! I will drive 60 ,miles to put 100% gas in my tank, before filling up with E15, that rating is a joke, the milage is awfull, 80% of milage problems are ethanol, period. 10 to 20 percent increase with real gas. Its extemely hard on engines, and as the content increases, I see increases in major repairs. This article is correct. I my opinion, ethanol is a scam, period!

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- AmerNDN10
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:45pm
  I , too, used to work at a dealership. I also worked with Ethanol and Methanol powered vehicles as well as Propane and Nat. Gas and electric cars for a short time. I found ethanol was one big scam as well, at that time there was no increase in mpg but a decrease compared to regular unleaded gasoline by about 8-10 mpg. Propane is just too dang dangerous to use as a fuel for cars. Nat gas is ok but try piping that all in underground. Anyhoo…unleaded gas sucks for older cars, i had a 70 chevy C20 and had to buy lead additive for the unleaded made it run like crap.
  
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- SCREW-WINDOWS
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:56pm
  Ethanol dissolves petroleum therefore weakening the lubrication properties and increasing wear that is why it is blended.
  
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ReallySeriouslyNoWay
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:32pm
Remember a couple years ago when you used to see a “car-b-que” every week or so?? This coincided with the widespread use of E10, and the fires were in older cars not suited to the corrosive nature of ethanol.

E15 is just 50% or more worse than E10. Lower mileage (seems like the less fuel we burn the less pollutants we put into the air, at least that’s what they try to tell us about the Prius) lower expected engine life, and dangerous fuel fires are what we are to expect.

And for this “privilege” we get higher prices for corn and other crops, including beef and chicken who eat corn.

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Philtac
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:25pm
And this is a surprise how? The FAA outlawed ethanol in airplane engines as far back as 1965. Government has always known ethanol is a corrosive product. It is well known that ethanol eats the parts up in two stroke engines. Thats why you have to replace your chain saw and weed wacker every year. The ethanol producers just have a real good lobby. Also it’s a real waste of corn that could be used for food.

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- glassaudioguy
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 10:49pm
  Don’t know where you are but here in MN we can still get premium gas that’s 0% alcohol. I use that exclusively in all my small engines.
  
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MBarne4908
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:20pm
Does anyone think about this? What is ethenol made from? Corn and Sugar cane. What do they do when they break down? Turn into sugar. What does sugar do to rubber, and metal? Rust and destroy. If you wanted to destroy nearly every car on the road, why would you not institute putting additives in the fuel which would destroy all engines and rubber parts? Why did kids years ago put sugar in gas tanks? To destroy the engine. What if you were a large owner of major car companies wanting to put new “green cars” on the road, owned by Unions? See anything now?

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- Tyler520
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:30pm
  This problem has been known about for years. The Ethanol industry is entirely subsidized by the government – it is shocking that the EPA admitted to it at all.
  
  Basic rule of thumb:
  
  For every 1% Ethanol content, engine life and fuel efficiency is reduced by 1%
  
  If you want to know where you can find Ethanol-free fuel, check here:
  http://www.pure-gas.org
  
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- drs1969
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:35pm
  Exactly, just like ‘Cash for Clunkers’.
  
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WANG0
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:19pm
This you must know:

I don’t often complain about people not replying to my posts, but when I do, no one listens.

It is so.

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- spirited
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:26pm
  The internet is not the place to find friends –or enemies.
  
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- the-most-interesting-troll-in-the-world
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:33pm
  I don’t often care about AusTROLLian interlopers, but when I do, I prefer to expose “Avenge the KKK” as harry AKA pokey of utica club.
  
  Stay pucking around, my san jose shark fan friends.
  
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- 13th Imam
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:34pm
  Did someone fart?
  
  It is so
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:44pm
  WangDang, Troll, SenselessSensei. Drugs are bad. Very bad.
  
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- WANG0
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:02pm
  Mr or Mrs the-most-interesting-troll-in-the-world
  
  This you must know:
  
  I do not often seek the advice of others, but when I do, I always ignore myself when I’m pretending to be the most interesting troll in the world.
  
  Stay ignorant least interesting troll on the blaze.
  
  It is so.
  
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- centralflorida
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:05pm
  It’s getting really, really old.
  
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- Rayblue
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 2:02am
  Decrepit and prepubertal simultaneously.
  A feat worthy of institutionalization.
  
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DadRocked
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:16pm
Here it is twenty five years later… Early nineties…
This ‘timely’ news was news back then…

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- The-Monk
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:22pm
  Hi DadRocked,
  
  Remember how this stuff use to mess up carborators?
  
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- drs1969
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:29pm
  More like the 70′s, from my experience.
  
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- DadRocked
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:06pm
  Good to hear you Monk…
  Yep and it was back in my Illinois days, late 80′s-early 90′s, when the corn farmers down state were raising an issue about it. But back then, they were making money so it was a two edged sword.
  
  Hope all is well with you down there in my ol’ stompin’ grounds… I’ve been reading the articles and posts but with little time to respond.
  
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Chuck7884
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:14pm
Alcohol will burn holes through your pistons as well .alcohol burns hotter putting stress on valves and bearings as well.same thing happened when the changed gas from leaded to unleaded.

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- wellright
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:22pm
  And it takes more than the equivalent of a gallon of gas to produce a gallon of ethanol.
  
  And the moon comes through the pines in mason jars and gallon jugs!
  
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searching for the Truth
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:14pm
Super bad on riding lawnmowers, chain saws , weed eaters – might as well go for broke huh?

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- civilwarcometh
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:23pm
  Did you say going broke?http://weaselzippers.us/2013/01/31/irs-cheapest-obamacare-insurance-plan-will-be-20000year-for-family-of-five/
  
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CanteenBoy
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:14pm
Duh. Corn oil is gummy and glazes at high temps, as do it’s derivates/distillates.

Wonder why food is so expensive now? A huge staple of the American diet, not to mention our food’s food, is EPA/Federally mandated to have 15% of the crop yield turned into crappy fuel.

Stop wondering about that.

Start wondering why; and also why the administration HATES our domestic fuel bumper crop –

Natural Gas!!!

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- drs1969
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:33pm
  Because, he attended Harvard and Columbia courtesy of the House of Saud.
  
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searching for the Truth
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:11pm
I miss Paul Harvey !!!

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- spirited
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:24pm
  uh huh
  
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- searching for the Truth
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:31pm
  Remember when he did that skit on satan?
  
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wellright
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:09pm
I have been saying that for years about the 10% blend. I live on the FL/GA border, and can drive a bit and get 100% gasoline. My check engine light comes on after 1/2 tank of 10% ethanol and my mileage drops 10-15%. After 2 tanks of real gasoline , the check engine light goes out.
My family has been in the “ethanol business” off and on for about 250 yrs.. You can’t get all of the water out.

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- CanteenBoy
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:16pm
  wink, wink!
  
  I love it when the moon is shining!
  
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- drs1969
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:25pm
  It attracts water! My closest stations started selling it w/o a label several years ago. I’d put it in an old car. I only drive every 2 weeks, and my mowers. After every big rain, I’d have all kinds of starting problems. Now I buy 100% gas, after testing it myself, first. It can be tested in a clear bottle. Put a mark halfway on the bottle. Fill to that mark w/ the gas. Then fill w/ water. Cap and shake. Then let sit and see if it mixes(level changes from line) or separates back to the start line. This stuff is garbage, even at 10%, and has been ruining cars for over 30 years.
  
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- Chuck7884
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:45pm
  Check engine light comes on because of your fuel filter this is where most of the gumming comes from fuel to thick to go thru filter pump has to compensate and the sensor on the fuel pump triggers the engine light.
  
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GardenoftheGods
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:08pm
I’m sick & tired of these “GreenFreaks” running our government & our economy into the ground. Global Warming is a HOAX people; and we need to let it go! Stop screwing with the American people’s pocketbooks and let us get back to work. All the money the Obama administration has pumped into the green industry has been wasted. I am so sick of Progressives and their loony ideas.

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progressiveslayer
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:04pm
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there’d be a shortage of sand.
Milton Friedman.

The greatest advances of civilization, whether in architecture or painting, in science and literature, in industry or agriculture, have never come from centralized government.
Milton Friedman

EPA Killing jobs by the millions now killing automobiles.

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right-wing-waco
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:00pm
Just great. The government is now destroying your car with their gas blend. Just what we need.

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- Fubared
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:04pm
  Odd that we would then need union mechanics. So weird how that works.
  
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- Somerandomguy
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:26pm
  A nice shiny new flex fuel vehicle from your local GM dealer wouldn’t have these problems.
  
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- spirited
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:29pm
  How else will anyone get everyone to ride bikes or that high speed railway ?
  
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- Americanius
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 3:54am
  Now? It’s been happening for years since the ethanol mandate began. It corrodes fuel system, contains less BTUs causing a drop in mileage up to 20% and still the oil companies are being mandated to buy a cellulosic ethanol which doesn’t exist commercially in quantities being mandated.
  This is how a government destroys day and night.
  
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