The Uncomfortable, ‘Politically Incorrect’ Case Against Putting Women on the Front Lines
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Glenn Beck on Thursday made the “politically incorrect” argument against allowing women to serve on the front lines in the U.S. military, saying the “disastrous idea” will “weaken our military” and “put women’s lives at risk.” Beck admitted that no one really wants to have the uncomfortable conversation that will certainly ruffle some feathers.
“This is not a game,” Beck said. “This is not a chance to show progress. Defending America should be left to those who are most physically capable of doing so.”
Beck said it is true that countless women are amazing “pilots, sharpshooters, medics, officers” but argued that combat is a very different scenario.
“What happens when a female 18-year-old soldier is taken as a POW? We all know the answer to that. Are you prepared to deal with it?” Beck asked.
He went on: “We all know how excruciatingly difficult it is to see videos of a terrorist beheading one of our guys. What happens to our country when they start releasing tapes of them beheading our women?…What happens when they start raping them?”
“Let’s be honest, you don’t like to see that stuff because we are still a civil society,” Beck added.
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Comments (187)
Beachmastermax
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:47amNow we will not fight until the wrath hits our shores. We will learn to die like Germans did.
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:45amThis is how it will go.
White House to DOD: “Guys this program is really important to us right now. The optics are great, and alot of people are watching. Soooo.. we expect a minimum of 33% Pass rate. Next year’s budget will reflect the success of this program. Do you understand?”
DOD to White House: “Yes sir. You can count on us.”
So without being written down anywhere, or put on an order, this information passed down the chain of command like a wild fire, it quickly gets to Batallion level.
Batallion Commander to his Company Commanders: “Gentlemen, higher expects a minumum 33% pass rate. Anythng less might be seen as discrimination. I’ve been told that next year’s budget is on the line, and our OER’s will reflect our…compliance, with this standard. Am I understood?”
Company Commanders to Batallion Commander: “Crystal sir. We’ll see it done.”
….and so it is done.
And that folks, is how things work in the Military.
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Margyt
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:54amYep.
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TC1776
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:54amThey have it already done , This is trouble real trouble. I thought they had done it already as I said they will push it to make sure they get it too. The military always prepared they probably have them all lined up.
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strawberry411a
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 5:11amRanger you are on the money. Sounds like you have been there done that. If I am not mistaken, 2 females were supposedly “tabbed” after going through the SFQ course some time in the 80′s. Of course much like our allied officers that participate in selective training, showing up was the only prerequisite to passing the course. I never was able to fully confirm this rumor though.
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Marcia
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 7:04amDouble yup.
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VRW Conspirator
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 10:00am@ranger and strawberry.
Having a son in combat at the moment for the second time, I agree. He recounts all the time how a female mechanic – he is one and drives the wrecker to retrieve vehicles damaged by ied – that goes outside the wire into a fire fight freezes. He admits that most guys do as well the first time out but once they are literally punch by a buddy, they move into action. Most of the females scream or freeze and don’t stop. He even told his CO never to send a female out with him again.
His gf is an MP and hates being deployed, constantly complaining to him and my wife on FB or emails about how boring it is or how uncomfortable since she is stuck on base 25 days a month only getting out to go to Command for resupply runs. But at the sme time she constantly bugs about how unsafe it is and worries about my son, which distracts him and ****** him off a bit because he can’t focus on his job when he goes outside the wire – pretty much every day with a convoy
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Dismayed Veteran
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:18pmFrom your mouth to God’s ear. You spoke the real truth.
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katzkiner
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:45amI have been shot 3 times. I came home and had a child. More important the worse round entered my stomach in front and exited the back of my thigh. I was able to fight a little. I pushed my intestines back into my abdominal cavity. I loved my mother, my wife,.my daughter. No way do I want them to go through that. Girls are tuff. But push come to shove a man can take and survive 10 times more punishment than a female. This is not a social engineering project. If we ever have a war on the home front give girls sniper rifles and turn them loose. Study Russian female snipers of WWII.
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:55amIf we are being invaded, and the US stands to lose everything, well then all bets are off. You fight like hell, and do what you gotta do. And you’re right, women make awesome snipers.
But until the SHTF let’s not throw away the compassionate heart of America, our women.
By the way…HOO FRICKEN AHH! You’re tougher than Woodpecker lips brother.
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TC1776
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 2:00amI was a a good snyper in training, woman are good at that .You are so very right on all points.
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donttreadonryan
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 2:31amWant to thank the men that have seen active duty combat and fought hard for my and my family’s freedom. Nobody can argue your points unless they have been there. Period. Zero discussion. Very few women are capable of what you men do. Furthermore very few men are capable of allowing a woman to fall in harms way. My neighbor is a two time veteran of Iraq and a drinking buddy. When he comes home in uniform I tell him to go change so I can give him crap. He earned our respect but even he feels women on front lines is a bad idea.
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CALLMEMSGT
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 6:01amKat. Are you old enough to remember when men were men and we did not expect women to do our fighting for us? Any man than would advocate for this probably goes to a gynecologist to get his prostate checked.
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liltexasgal
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 6:22amThank you for your service sir!
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jungle J
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:07amYou would be more believable if you didn’t drama so much…if you are truthful…Semper FIdelis.
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Ruckus_Tom
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 2:48pmA sociology professor once pointed out the brutal truth why women are not in combat – men are stronger and men are expendable. One man and 100 women = 1 happy man and 100 more people (potentially) every 9 months. One hundred men and 1 woman = a very wealthy woman.
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Margyt
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:45amHeard a talk on this with representation from military leaders on both sides of the issue and the draft came up. Consensus was that women will have to register for the draft. Seems right to me. Same privilege, same cost. That is frightening beyond measure. For the benefit of a tiny number of women who think that their calling in life is to be a foot soldier and kill people, all other women will have to risk being sent into the same situation? And we have no vote on this?
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:52amApparently it’s an executive branch kind of thing. But don’t worry, they’ll talk about it being fair etc.
Then Obama will send it to a comittee somewhere and it’ll get tabled.
Talk is talk, but the whole thing will be very offensive to liberals, who don’t want their college bound daughters to wear camo. So it won’t happen.
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katzkiner
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:59amThey can alway be a civilian contractor if they can qualify, but that is rare. Girls don’t open this door, you’ll be sorry.
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Verceofreason
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 2:41amDo men register?
There is no draft.
What branch of the service was Beck in?
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kryptonite
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 3:39amMARGYT
Consensus was that women will have to register for the draft.
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Of course not. It’s a red herring.
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 10:08amLol…
You can tell Verce of Reason is a liberal female.
She’s never heard of Selctive Service.
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TC1776
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:44amThe matrix Ranger Exactly!
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Verceofreason
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:13amI sit corrected. I had no idea ANYONE registered for a draftless country,
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:31amGo ahead and stand if you want. It’s ok.
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corsair18
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:42amIf liberals could be trusted, this would not be that big a deal. Almost no women would pass the physical requirements UNLESS the libs altered them. End of the nonsense. But that is like expecting libs to close our borders before taking care of illegal immigrants. Simple truth is….they LIE!
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:50amThey sure do Corsair18, every damned time!
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Bernard Gui
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:40amThis ignores a fundamental truth about human nature. Most men are instinctively protective of women.
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:48amAnd training doesn’t make that go away. It just doesn’t.
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TC1776
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:49amSo very true .This is not how we have been brought up but it is how the enemy has been brought up. It will be such a detrement
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kryptonite
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 3:06amBERNARD GUI
This ignores a fundamental truth about human nature. Most men are instinctively protective of women.
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In our culture. Women are expendable and subservient to men in cultures with little or no Godly/Christian influence. That is a fact.
I understand Barack’s reason for doing this. I just don’t get why a woman would want to go along with it. They’re probably all d**** who feel “trapped in a female body.”
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sinner-saint
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:38amPutting woman into front line combat…….not a good idea at all. Most cannot physically tow the line – Their bodies aren’t built for it and that is just fact/reality/the truth. Is a woman going to change with the guys, take a leak with the guys, bathe with guys, crap with the guys, masterbate with the guys, and more? I think not. and if a woman is taken prisoner, how many times will she have endure the rapes and the sticking of objects like coke bottles, broom handles, billy clubs, and other more sinister objects up her front/rear (the sexual abuse/torture) she will be subjected to? How many electrical shocks to her female genital areas will she have to endure? Will she be able to endure the brutal removal of her breasts – not to mention being impaled or beheaded? Is this what we want for our women? I would think not.
If you want to end a country, you kill all the women. Without the women, reproduction cannot occur. The islamic terrorists and the marxist/communists/progressives know this just as we do. Now does everyone see the big picture and understand why these freaks wanna send women into combat?
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 10:47amWell said sir.
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revelation2012
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 2:15am‘they’ are already sterilizing men and women all over the ‘world’
- air we breathe – water we drink – food we eat -
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TSUNAMI_22
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:23amThis whole mess is nothing more that an Obama / United Nations petree dish social experiment just like the abolishment of the “Don’t ask don’t tell” policy.
It’s my opinion that if the military would keep the appropriate forces heterosexually male, and actually allow the soldier to ‘fight to win’, that probably 95% of the military’s issues would be solved overnight.
These poor bastards that go with the honorable intent of serving their country find themselves dropped into a meat grinder, hand-cuffed by ridiculous ROE, and then are told they can’t eat a hamburger if it isn’t halal permissible.
Screw that noise. No wonder they come back with mental issues.
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:32amThe thing that really bothers me is it feels like it’s all for nothing.
Anyone want to take bets how long it’s going to take for Iraq to be an unstable satellite state of Iran?
How about Afghanistan. How long after we leave will that little corrupt chiseller Hamad Kharzai be in power? A whole month maybe? He’ll be on the first plane outa there with a suit case of money and beach front property on an island somewhere.
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TSUNAMI_22
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:47amRANGER1965
The thing that really bothers me is it feels like it’s all for nothing.
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Every time I watch ‘Band of Brothers’ or ‘Saving Private Ryan’ I feel the same way. It’s hard not to feel that way with a Marxist in the White House.
We need a Patton-like individual to help us un***k ourselves.
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 2:00amLol!
I fear the current adminstration is looking for a Neville Chamberlain type. Patton is much too scary for our little emperor.
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Racenuke
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:11amPreach it Glenn!
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TC1776
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:07amRanger they already are comming home in body bags,with missing limbs and shattered minds. But they don’t often get the same treatment Im sorry to say. They don’t seem to know what to do with us. But its about alot of things its the Idea that we are women ,mothers, sisters this is a very hard mind set to get over as well and dangerous on the battle field. Fellow soldiers and I talked about it alot when I was in. For the sake of men and woman it should not be happening but it is and has been happening because they sent them over their and their is no safe place their. They were sending me over their when I was medically discharged. So Ranger if you think they have not already started doing it think Jessica Lynch and their are lots of others. We just don’t talk about it much because they just say we are whinning or something to that effect. Woman are not built for it mentally or physically. They are not treated as heroes eather…… Im just saying the truth no matter how you square that circle it dosn’t work for eather sex . We are proud of our part but we know from experiance that it is notright on so many levels.
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:18amTC I completely agree with what you have said. Women from truck drivers to helicopter pilots are being exposed to enemy fire, IED’s and yes, even capture. They are doing it courageously and with honor.
What I’m talking about is women being in an Active Infantry, Airborne, Ranger, or Special Forces Unit. I am talking about a woman being in a unit that seeks out and destroys the enemy day after day after day. What I’m saying is few women have the pure physicality, the desire, and the hard heart necessary to do that job day in and day out.
Of course there are some, there always are. But changing the entire military structure for a tiny, tiny percentage that both want, and can do that job, is insanity!
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:26am…And TC. I know your pain. I read this quote from the matrix movie a week ago, and it’s perfect.
MORPHEUS: “You’re here because you know something. What you know you can’t explain, but you feel it. You’ve felt it your entire life, that there’s something wrong with the world. You don’t know what it is, but it’s there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad.”
I hate this world sometimes.
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TC1776
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:37amAnd ranger I thank God we are not the same we were not ment to be. I understand what you are saying and I was stationed with them all special forces, infantry,armored units and took care of them with my best. What Im saying is for the woman comming after me that are as strong and fiesty as I was when I went in and to educate them selves before they make that leap. They should take a long and realistic look befor they take that leap its so very different then they tell them with those shiny posters and patriotic slogans it the reality they need to be looking at. We are not ten feet tall and bullit proof as we sometimes think we are when we are young
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:47amCouldn’t have said it better TC.
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kryptonite
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 4:18amTC1776
…they already are comming home…with missing limbs and shattered minds. But they don’t often get the same treatment Im sorry to say.
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Great point, TC. To the average Joe Doe it is already bad enough that many of our male soldiers don’t make it back home in one piece. But we recoil at the sight of a maimed female soldier. It is shameful to our collective psyche, and our society is not built to bear that guilt.
Furthermore, we associate womanhood with visible beauty. If that ideal is openly violated by the ravages of war, it will be used by the commies to reinforce the warped notion that America is an evil, warmongering country, and we must appease our enemies.
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Brother Winston Smith
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:00am“Defending America?”
Oh… you’re talking about the DECADE-LONG republican/democrat (same thing) party’s ISOLATIONIST, BANKRUPTING, BLOODY, FAILED foreign policy of welfare, warfare, sanctions, propping up and tearing down? Actually, that’s NOT EVEN CLOSE TO “defense.”
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Karama
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:50amRape?! That’s the big excuse why they don’t want women on the front line? I got news for you the militant islamists will rape men too. We know they do the Blaze ran the story on it. -.- A woman can be raped whether she is fighting or not. BTW That’s what they intend to do if they win.
Does no one remember Éowyn’s reasons for wanting to fight in Lord of the Rings? “You can die on a sword whether you have a sword in your hand or not.” It’s a matter of do you want to die with out having had a fighting chance or do you want to take up the sword and start swinging. I prefer going down swinging.
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:03amThere is a difference allow me to explain.
Let me tell you a tale about our enemy, so you understand what we’re dealing with.
He is young and has grown up being taught about how evil America is. He has also grown up watching the same American movies that you did. He see’s giants of physicality and technology that win every time. His people are depicted most often as weak, sneering, villians.
Our enemy hates this, but kinda believes it too. They see our male soldiers and they really are giants, and they really are hyper competent, and they are just plain better than they are. This really ****** him off.
They also watch our porn when they have internet access. They watch American Porn more than you. They fantasize about American women, but hate them at the same time for tempting them away from Allah. It’s a dangerous duality.
When American Women start killing the Soldiers of Allah, it will be the ultimate insult. Al Queda knowing how Americans love their women, will move heaven and earth to capture females. For the young soldiers it will be akin to a mythical heroic quest, and they will die trying to capture American female soldiers.
And some will be capured, and it will be filmed and released on the internet, and what they will do to them will be unspeakable. And they will take their time. Perhaps years. being moved from village to village, raped and abused, and eventually married off. She will never see her home again.
Count on it.
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valiant1776
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:05amSo, you’re okay now with having women raped also, right along men? What foolishness.
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donttreadonryan
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 2:09amSiad it earlier this week in response to your comments. Of course then you were not quotation ng fantasy. A green beret from fort lewis (sorry joint base lewis mcchord) was in a convoy and called into the show I was listening to. He said part of his job is to get a fellow soldier that has been wounded to safety. He then said he was 220 lb and 6′ 2. He highly doubted any woman could carry him and his gear anywhere. He then brought up our instinct to protect and how that would play out. You also said something about women protecting their homes and being good with a gun. My response was my wife can use a .38 effectively and can aim a 12 guage and shoot just fine. But shooting a home intruder and running for miles with over 100 lbs of gear are very different. Good luck believing we are built the same I’m sure the next fantasy epic movie will just make your convictions stronger. Like your average man when compared to your average woman.
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Karama
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 10:06amSo what it’s ok for a woman to be raped in a non combat role, but not in a combat role. Make up your minds. That was my whole point for quoting LOTR, and just because it’s fantasy doesn’t mean there isn’t a grain of truth to be had in the quote. I think the two reporter ladies who got raped in Egypt would have loved to been able to shoot a few people before or after it happened.
Women need to be taught to fight not told just sit your pretty little self down and let the big strong man protect you, because I can tell you from experience that does not work! If you wait around for a “big strong man” to protect you you will end up dead and raped. You people will constantly say how wonderful it is that Jewish women fight, but not our women. You will say how great it is that a mom will protect her home in the home, but not abroad. You people are hypocrites! It’s about your ego not about a woman’s rights, women have just as much right to defend themselves as men do.
Women are not men, cats are not dogs. They have to be trained differently women will have to fight in their own way not like some brutish wall of flesh, but with their minds. They will have to think in a fight. Use wit, cunning, and skill, not just pound on people like a thug. Maybe our whole military problem is that we haven’t been using our heads and have been ham handed with the enemy maybe now we need some thing a bit subtler.
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 10:46am@karama
You said it. Women will have to find other ways to fight. Not as part of an Infantry, Airborne, Ranger or Special Forces unit, but in a field that the can lay down the law without having to be a man to do it.
Eowyn didn’t have to morph into her Brother Eomer to fight. She didn’t choose an 8 pound spear that she couldn’t throw, or a 2 handed sword she couldn’t swing. A couple of razor sharp short swords was just fine.
Likewise, a woman piloting an Apache gunship is quite effective without having to sink into the mud and blood with the guys.
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:50amNow a woman can join the fun….This is your life.
Now a women can join us carrying an 80 pound ruck sack, armor, kevlar helmet, their weapon, and a full combat load of ammo and grenades, while running in a skinny little ditch beside a sun baked road for 8 miles in 105 degree temperatures.
Now a woman can leap through an open window, trip on the stone sill, fall face first onto a rickety table breaking her nose. and then have to wrestle face to face with a bad guy with no teeth, who has that wiry country boy strength that never, ever, quits.
Now a woman can **** stroke and kick the crap out of a bunch of sullen Iraqi teenagers who refuse to lay down when we’re clearing a room.
Now a woman can shoot a screaming imbecile in the head from 5 feet away and watch his skinny arms flail about and see that last O face as he s**ts himself. Then she can laugh about it with her buddies, because if you don’t laugh you’ll go friggen insane. And she can do that every damned day for months at a time without any breaks.
Now a woman can be exposed to a platoon of hungry, horny, 20 somthing alpha males who will all be competing to get in her pants, because…well…that’s what 20 somthing males do. (Remember your teens and 20′s men? How many of you had good judgement?)
Can women keep up with 20 somthing bad ass door kickers? very few.
Will they lower the standards? Hell yeah.
Will this reduce a unit’s effectiveness in combat? Yep.
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Beachmastermax
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:30amWhen I went into the Academy, the propoganda was that the requirements would not be reduced or slackened with the admission of women and that they could and would meet the same regimen and requirements of men.
Well do I have to say more? What BS.
This will happen to our combat requirements. Make no mistake.
Whatever, let the ladies have there way, they get it anyway. All I say is, lets start with registering them for the draft and putting them in the lottery. No more say about where you end up than a man. Let’s get this foolish experiment over with.
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kryptonite
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 4:30amIt’s not foolish. It’s deadly and we will all pay. The whole country will pay. Barack is a traitor, beloved of the media. They are traitors too. This is the conversation we should be having as a country.
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strawberry411a
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 5:16amI wonder what Colonel David Hackworth would have to say on teh subject….
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Sgt_Rock
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 6:12pmWell said Brother, Drive on.
RLTW
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carbonyes
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:47amAnother reason somehow Obama needs removed from office.
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:57amGod yes.
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1FreeVoice
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:44amI am a woman. I think it is a DREADFUL idea. If someone wants to volunteer, she can volunteer to do what needs doing… not everyone has to haul a 75 lb. pack and live in a hole at the back end of nowhere. The military can find ways to promote women who excel in non-combat roles.
It is fairly easy to imagine that the requirements would be a bit toned down. There would be an exceptional woman or so, but the washout rate among men is high. Women already have it easier on the physical fitness test. If the percentages were worse than had been hoped or expected, would they pass the best ___% of female candidates and hope for the best?
If they softened the requirements, it would cost lives. The lives of some of the women and their co-workers out in harm’s way, and the mission that was important enough to risk American lives for… It is obvious to everyone that national security is more important than someone’s feelings.There are some jobs men are better suited for. The feminatzis will have to get over it.
Someone brought up the idea that our soldiers would have to be conditioned NOT to react to a female soldier being tortured. I am sure it could be done, but does anyone think it SHOULD be done? Why twist the minds of our sons and brothers… they have to come home someday. How much would it change them? How would it affect them after re-entering civilian life? This is an avoidable horror that we need not inflict on our people.
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:56amHooah!
The Physical Standards for women are lower, and that’s fine as long as they are flying helicopters, working in intelligence, setting up com networks, or are part of a command staff.
But those standards won’t work if they join a Platoon of 20 somthing door kickers. The women would have to keep up to be a functioning part of that team. Those guys would have to depend on her for their very lives. If she can’t hack it physically, mentally, or emotionally, then she’ll get herself and others killed.
Few women could hack it, and even fewer would want too. If the standards are lowered, and as a vet, you know they will be, then it’ll be a real problem.
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AJBrad
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:31amHoly Mackerel! You are a very smart lady. Vrey good point, no sarcasm here whatsoever.
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Susuchandler
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:31amYou make many valid points, a couple I haven’t read before. I am also a woman and a veteran who, not thinks, but KNOWS this is insanity. More young men will die proving it won’t work. I certainly don’t want that blood on my hands. I also don’t want to teach young men to not protect women. That training cannot ever be undone.
We are not equal and never will be. There are many things we do equally well, but front line soldier and special forces are not among them. I’ve known very few, if any, women who could effectively do those. I know enough not to try.
I found a way to serve where I could do the job equally well on ships. We were the Guinea pigs for combatant ships. There were some challenges, but the unwritten performance standards were actually much higher for us because the captain wanted to prove it wouldn’t work. A very different environment from front-line combat. We were physically and emotionally capable of those jobs because they didn’t involve performing the tasks with an 80 pound pack.
Women, WAKE UP. We don’t belong there, nor should young men die while we try.
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Misha
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:44amGlenn, are you seriously so naive as to believe that men aren’t raped in the course of war? Please, you really sound stupid when you talk like that. I am against women in combat, women in the military, gays in the military, illegal immigrants in the military….I believe men should comprise the military and that politics should be kept out. It’s weakened our country and continues to threaten everything this country was founded on. If you want to be honest and politically incorrect, talk about feminine hygiene – now there’s a topic for ya, Glenn.
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Lord_Frostwind
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:25amPsychologically, there is a stronger instinct to protect a woman from being raped than a man. It makes no friggin sense, but it was found that when a woman is threatened with rape, it will cause people to break much quicker (in this case it was referring to torture techniques).
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:37amJust hearing a woman scream, that high pitched fearful, pain scream.
It drives men insane. Mission? Screw the mission! We gotta help her. We gotta make that scream stop!
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kryptonite
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 4:44am@MISHA
It’s ugly no matter the sex. That said, men don’t get pregnant.
Then there’s the honor thing. Even those misogynists know that defiling the enemy’s women is the ultimate act of shame. It means, in essence, that you were not man enough to protect the weaker sex.
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TC1776
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:40amI was a female soldier and I donot believe woman should be on the frount lines. I was proud of my service but it is not good for them or the men period.
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:50amHooah! well said.
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TC1776
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:28amI was a female soldier, I could outrun any man in my unit and shoot an on and on but, Know I am mostly a broken heep because of it. I could lift my own weight andmostof thewomanin my unit could as well. It is hard to keep that up and when I was in they where more then likly put you out or experiment on you if you where a woman then try and fix you once you are broken. So yes it was my choice to do something for my great country. But being better educated on what that intells would have been a better option. Woman are built different then men and what you need to do is not built for women. So I am in pain most of the time and because of all the drugs they gave me to get trough have mademe unable to take antibiotics,any pain killers even asperin. Something to think about, the differences are extreme. There are alot of us out here we remain quite mostly but I just wanted people to know.
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:38amYou’re amazing TC1776. What you just said has more credibilty than any of my war stories because you’re a woman. You’ve been there and done that, and you know the deal.
Being in an infantry unit is NOT! like running a marathon, or fighting in a prize fight.
It’s a bone weary non-ending job. It’s like being a Lumber Jack in the 1920′s. Hauling Saws, heavy equipment, axes, food, and camping supplies up a steep mountain….while getting shot at.
Once on top you work chop down trees, all day, sometimes all night. You get almost no sleep, and you might do it for weeks without a break….Oh, and you’re being shot at.
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Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:44amBless you and thank you for your service.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:51amTC1776, I for one salute you for your service. I have an idea of what you have and are still going through medically. I retired 17 years ago with some disabilities too. I gave up on those meds a long time ago. Sometimes I hurt and sometimes I don’t. Hang in there.
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KidCharlemagne
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:27amIronically enough, I ran across this Washington Post article from a few days ago….
Seems as though Bashar al-Assad has been forced to assemble all-female militia units in order to combat the surge of Al-Qaeda that are attempting to overthrow him:
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“The women have already been deployed on the streets, and though their duties seem confined to checkpoint control, the frequency of rebel attacks against government checkpoints effectively puts them on the front line. A blurry video posted by activists shows female soldiers at a checkpoint in Homs, and activists in the city say they are often to be seen guarding pro-regime neighborhoods, focusing their attention on women wearing headscarves.
“They force women out of cars with deliberate roughness, rip off their veils and scream insults at them,” said Majd Amer, the pseudonym of an activist in Homs interviewed by Skype. “They treat them like they are female terrorists. They call them al-Qaeda … and say, ‘the veil won’t protect you.’”
Washington Post (January 25, 2013): “The all-female militias of Syria”
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darkloch
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:16amI see this as a way for ‘that guy’ to get the american public to not trust the military or to see them as weak… not able to do the job… then ‘that guy’ will try something. so this is just a way to get us to see our military as something not to be trusted and as weak…
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:32amPerhaps. But remember that there are other factors which will not look good for “that guy.”
America’s daughters coming home in body bags is a tough one to blame on someone else. His spin department will be working overtime to connect that to Global Warming.
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Restored One
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:35amGood Job Darkloch, your jar is still empty, no IOUs. That “who should not be named” is on a tear in the country.
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Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:09amThe physical requirements are different for males and females. If they were the same then I could see it. It is similar to what I heard a fireman say. He had to carry a weight down a latter. The women carried half the weight. What is she going to do? Cut the victim in half?
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:29amExactly.
Let her pull a 6″ 3″, 220 pound buddy out of a burning Humvee who smells like cooked pork, and the legs of his BDU’s are quite literally burned into his skin. Let her throw his screaming A** on her shoulders and run 120 yards to a crappy little stone wall because that’s the only cover and concealment for a country mile. Let her do that while being shot at, and sick as a dog because it’s 100 fricken degrees outside, and the smell of your buddy is turning your stomach.
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Restored One
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:40amRanger, that is a sad scenario, but so true. There is no way and I as a woman cannot support this. In your scenario we would lose both soldiers no doubt. I hate to say this, but I could almost compare this Women in Combat front lines to abortion.
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neverending
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:09amFirst and foremost Gen Boykin is the best. Agree wholeheartedly with all – women do not belong on the battlefield. She is absolutely right about women. It is just another way for the commie in chief to tear down the military. He is such a bastard because he is determined to take down everything and to make sure he succeeds he attacks it at more then one angle to guarantee his success. How we survive four more years of him is beyond me.
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:25amBoykin is a decorated Green Beret who is still beloved by many in the Special Forces. He came up the hard way, and fought in nasty little places all over the world.
He commanded Delta Force, the finest combat unit on the planet.
He commanded Special Forces
He commanded all of Special Operations.
He had a big angry mouth, and didn’t politic very well. He was “given” retirement as a LT General.
Boykin is literally GI Joe with stars.
Love him or hate him, when it comes to combat operations on the battlefield his word should be listened too with respect. You will not find a man with that kind of pedigree often.
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showmerancher
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:49pmI don’t see anything wrong with it if it is voluntary; I know lots of guys that have an ex that they’d volunteer to have sent to the front lines…
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:21amThey can’t do the job. It’s just that simple. Anyone, that has been a grunt knows the reality. Except for a very, very few the job is too damned hard on the body, the mind, and the emotions.
And they WILL! lower the standards. Count on it!
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:35amRANGER1965, You are so right about the standards. Once they find out that women are not cutting the mustard they will simply revert back to the double standards that the above female NCO referred to. Frankly, I would not find it hard to believe that the physical standards are already quietly being lowered.
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kryptonite
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 4:55amRANGER1965
Except for a very, very few the job is too damned hard on the body, the mind, and the emotions.
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There ain’t a single one. Not a one. Show me!
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GoodStuff
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:48pmObama views the military as a social experiment.
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 12:19amAn experiment with absolute permanent consequences. Our daughters will be coming home with missing arms, missing legs, shattered minds, and body bags.
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Beachmastermax
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:46amHe views this as a political calculation. Unfortunately, his party will probably gain more votes from females for doing this. They won’t know what hit them until there is another draft and they are treated as men. That day will come.
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Verceofreason
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 2:44amThat was tired 30 years ago
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 2:48am@BEACHMASTERMAX
Everything with him is a calculation, and with a compliant media; even when his calculations are wrong, they’re right. It sickens me
I can’t even watch him, or listen to his voice anymore.
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