Union Leaders’ Epiphany Leaves Them Scrambling: Wait, Obamacare Is Going to Drive up Our Costs?
Members of trade unions join Occupy Wall Street protesters as they rally in Foley Square, New York, Oct. 5, 2011. (Stan Honda/AFP/Getty Images)
Imagine the following scene:
A handful of union bosses crowd around an old card table, punching numbers into their calculators. They’ve been up all night. Someone puts on another pot of coffee and a few of the older bosses are starting to fall asleep. Those who are still alert and active scratch their heads and re-enter their calculations.
“Oh, my gosh!” one of them shouts, concluding the all-night exercise. “‘Obamacare’ is going to cost us!”
Yes, according to a recent report from the Wall Street Journal, union leaders (i.e. the same people who campaigned tirelessly in favor of universal healthcare) are trying to figure out a way to avoid paying for the costs associated with “Obamacare.”
From the WSJ:
Labor unions enthusiastically backed the Obama administration’s health-care overhaul when it was up for debate. Now that the law is rolling out, some are turning sour.
Union leaders say many of the law’s requirements will drive up the costs for their health-care plans and make unionized workers less competitive. Among other things, the law eliminates the caps on medical benefits and prescription drugs used as cost-containment measures in many health-care plans. It also allows children to stay on their parents’ plans until they turn 26.
To offset that, the nation’s largest labor groups want their lower-paid members to be able to get federal insurance subsidies while remaining on their plans. In the law, these subsidies were designed only for low-income workers without employer coverage as a way to help them buy private insurance.
In early talks, the Obama administration dismissed the idea of applying the subsidies to people in union-sponsored plans, according to officials from the trade group, the National Coordinating Committee for Multiemployer Plans, that represents these insurance plans.
As financial reality sets in, and rather than figure out a way to pay for the bill they helped pass, unions are trying to see if Washington will bail them out.
“Top officers at the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, the AFL-CIO and other large labor groups plan to keep pressing the Obama administration to expand the federal subsidies,” the WSJ notes, “warning that unionized employers may otherwise drop coverage.”
“A handful of unions say they already have examined whether it makes sense to shift workers off their current plans and onto private coverage subsidized by the government. But dropping insurance altogether would undermine a central point of joining a union, labor leaders say,” the report adds.
No, really, union heads are acting like no one warned them that costs would go up.
“We are going back to the administration to say that this is not acceptable,” said Ken Hall, general secretary-treasurer for the Teamsters.
“I heard him say, ‘If you like your health plan, you can keep it,’” said John Wilhelm, chairman of Unite Here Health, the insurance plan for 260,000 union workers. “If I’m wrong, and the president does not intend to keep his word, I would have severe second thoughts about the law.”
Why? Why? Why didn’t anyone tell these leaders about the costs associated with “Obamacare”?
“It seems someone finally noticed that mandating benefits and imposing regulations has a tendency to … increase costs,” Doug Bandow writes for the American Spectator. “Increases which workers are stuck paying. Who would have imagined such a result? It’s not like anyone warned them, right?”
Click here to read the WSJ’s full report.
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Comments (406)
IntheDirt
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:03amThe Unions are messing this up big time. They should have started out with “Obamacare is Racist”.
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jcldwl
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:32amThe union leadership is so stupid they don’t study history. The communists have used them to get their power and now the communist policies are turning on them. They really thought they would not suffer any inconveniences at the hands of evil. I can only laugh not with satisfaction but at their ignorance. I still don’t understand why union members aren’t rising up against their leadership.
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ltb
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:35amSuckers!!!
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lani59
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:40amKnowing Obama, he’ll use an “executive order” to allow the Unions out of the Obamacare. Trust me on this one and of course there will be many more “outs” before he is done.
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banjarmon
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:44amMaybe the unions will become republicans. Oh wait the republicans are already democrats…IF they really want freedom they need to drink the TEA and flush the cool-aid!
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siguy62
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 12:00pmBased o leftist rhetoric, Obamacare IS RACIST. Here’s the logic tree.
1) Asking the poorest of the poor to produce ID to vote is racist.
2) Obamacare, an extention of the same Federal laws that require all doctors to have a copy of your photo id, in order for you to prove you are the insured, requires everyone to be insured. You must have photo-id to prove you have insurance you are required to have.
3)Obama-care is racist.
Or it could be that asking for id to vote might not be racist.
It is great joyous fun asking your lib firneds to answer this one.
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Laymen
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 12:01pmHey union heads, add yourself to the list of “Useful Idiots”, now consider to be card carrying members.
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000degrees
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 12:02pmWhat???!!!!! next thing you’re going to tell me is Liberachie was gay…….
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TH30PH1LUS
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 12:11pmThe new Union chant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya2xifdO_l0
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Dismayed Veteran
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 12:15pmAll this time these union idiots though Obama gave them the courtesy of a reach around. Now they know they didn’t even get that.
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Dan_o
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 12:30pmUseful Idiots. Knowing is half the battle.
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Silversmith
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 12:33pmWell we knew they were idiots. I guess now they’ve proved themselves useful idiots.
What a pity.
Silversmith
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Al J Zira
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 12:33pmLANI59 is right. First it was they wanted an exemption from Obamacare, which they got. Now it will be an executive order that grants them immunity or gives them permanent subsidies to offset their costs. So then taxpayers will be footing the bill for high paid union members health care. Anyone see a problem?
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Walkabout
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 12:45pmUnion Leaders need to be fired.
They are surprised? Union headquarters have staff experts such as economists. True they might lean left, but their analysis should not be so affected by their political preferences that these costs should be a surprise.
Either the analysts are at fault or their union bosses. Either way the bosses need to go because their failed the rank & file union member.
Surprise, Surprise, Surprise, does not cut it. After about the 3rd time you would think the leadership does not have the “smarts” to lead.
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Too_Far_Gone
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 12:45pmUseful IDIOTS .. lmao !!
Suckers is right !!!
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IrritableGimp
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 12:50pmThe reason the rank and file are not going after their leaders is because the rank and file is nothing more than sheep being lead to the slaughter…..much like the so-called rank and file “Democrats”. They believe in the “utopia” that Obama is force feeding them, and they forgot to open their own eyes and search for themselves. Serves them right for being stupid.
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MIBUGNU2
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 12:54pmThe deceit and Lies will affect us all..O’Bozos Bozos
will LUV what’s coming down the Pike…this Albatross
will cost us all BIG TIME !!!!!
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AmericaMustBeFree
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 1:13pmActually, I think its funny as hell and they deserve what they get! But then again they feel Obama owes them.. so he (Obama) will write off all those added costs for union workers! And guess who will have to pay? The American taxpayer who is already overburdened. Is the yoke of this president getting heavier yet??
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oldguy49
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 1:14pmyou voted for him……now take your medicine
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VanceUppercut
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 1:20pmThere’s a shade of deception to this article (nothing new for this “agenda free” site) in that they refer to Obamacare as “universal healthcare”. We may be arguing semantics here, but most people consider single-payer healthcare to be “universal” healthcare, and Obamacare is not single-payer healthcare.
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hypnos
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 1:34pmThey came for the tea party and I said nothing then they came for me and there was no one left to speak for me.How you like me now says the king
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may40
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 1:43pmBoohoo. Too bad union workers and all the darn liberals that voted for this guy not once but twice. You live the mess now. Looking forward to all the whining that’ll be going on the next four years. Can someone please tell me how on earth Obama’s numbers could be 60%+? Are 60% of American’s on Prozac?
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Mil-Dot
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 1:44pmThe whole purpose of Obamacare was to take money from the working snowmen and use it to pay for healthcare for inner city blacks and other deadbeats. That’s it.
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SLAPTHELEFT
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 1:45pmWell color me brown and call me a turd! What a bunch of morons. Congrats union members! In a feebly crafted scheme to ensure that your bloated pensions would be available, you willingly sold your souls to the devil. You sold your children down the river so a fatcat union boss could get a kickback for electoral support. Now you want to break the contract? The devil dont work like that boy!
Your name is on the dotted line and the man is here to collect. too late to back out now.
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desertspeaks
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 1:53pma new tv $450.00, health insurance $4,000.00, the unions figuring out obama screwed them PRICELESS!
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patriot30-378
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 1:58pmThis is too funny. Anyone who thinks that Obama is trying to do what is right for the benefit of this country deserves to be kicked in the junk. Obama = Cancer.
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SLAPTHELEFT
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 2:02pmMr. Soros gave all of our resident trolls the day off. Come on guys! defend the unions on this one.
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JacquesChirac
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 2:23pmBAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Stop it, man – you’re killing me…!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…
“You’ve got to pass the bill to see what’s in it!”
This is better than watching Blazing Saddles!!!
Wow…I need to catch my breath…
BAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
No use…
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Wow! Best laugh I’ve had in YEARS!!! Thanks, Blaze!
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DenverKitty
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 2:33pmStupid unions.
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Pipestr
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 2:55pm@ vanceuppercut. You are technically correct – Obamacare is not single payer. Yet. It will be, as it is designed to drive all Health Insurance Comapnies into bankruptcy, allowing the government to take them over. That is why Obama said, to “be patient” to those wanting single payer, and that this is a “first step”. Patience grasshopper.
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SCREW-WINDOWS
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 2:57pmUnions eat their own. Always have !!!
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sjpru
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 3:01pmwait until those obamavoter morons see the pricetag for obamacare when the community organizer makes the illegal aliens legal….ha…ha…ha…ha!!!
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cosette
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 3:01pmUnion leaders are a lot of things but stupid isn’t one of them. Deceitful,conniving, crafty, unscrupulous….yes but stupid, not so much. They have at their disposal the most proficient actuaries in the insurance industry. They are well paid and most certainly gave a full account of the risks of the monstrosity called the “affordable care act”. Their “Dear Leader” also knew. The concept of unions was born in the earliest throes of the communist movement. It is in the D.N.A. of that heinous ideology. ObaMao and his minions the labor unions bosses are cut from the same communist cloth, and their goal is to destroy the capitalist system. The union rank and file will pay the price along with those of us who opposed Obamacare. In the end the only satisfaction we will get is knowing we were right and they are useful idiots. We all have 4 more yeas to endure, and it’s only just begun.
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pissantno.10
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 3:21pmyou forget one thing they will blame it on the republicans and the dumies will believe it.
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mayancalendar2012
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 3:38pmLike it matters…They’ll be granted an exemtion by The Regime, and continue to support democRATS. The phrase “cutting off your nose to spite your face” comes to mind, but if they’re never forced to actually pick up the blade, I guess it reall doesn’t apply.
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Yeah_Buddy
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 5:28pm“We are going back to the administration to say that this is not acceptable,” said Ken Hall, general secretary-treasurer for the Teamsters.
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This guy must be the Patrick in SpongeBobville. Free healthcare for millions and everyone’s medical care will be better and cheaper. DUHHHH, really??? Otay, we’re in!!
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Thatsitivehadenough
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 7:44pmOh well. Guess the Socialist revolution isn’t quite what they thought it would be when they pushed for it.
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Juniemoon
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:31pmAnd to think they wasted 200 million electing their clowns, pay back’s a ……………..
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sacwoodpusher
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 5:43amSeveral have suggested that giving Obama his way may be an effective anti-Democrat strategy.
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dcatkin
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 8:55amImgaine that the unions are to stupid to realize that Obamacare will drive up the cost of health insurance.
My mom always said some people just have to learn the hard way, and the unions are going to learn that way I guess.
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poorrichard09
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 9:04am0blama to unions: SUCKAS!
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TAXEVERYONE
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 10:00amLook up union member in the dictionary.
Definition says..a person not bright enough to think for themselves.
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Plugg62208
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 1:50pmI find it funny when the race card, flipped or not, is played. Obviously, most people believe that 13% of the population has a lot of power. Some use any contentious discourse to justify their veiled racism…be it black, red, yellow or white. Statistics don’t lie. Who’s really benefiting from Liberal Care
http://aspe.hhs.gov/health/reports/05/uninsured-cps/index.htm
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1389AD
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:29pmParasites that become so virulent that they kill their host will die.
It is a law of nature. There is no court of appeals. That’s all there is and there ain’t no more.
But I can still say…
Bwahahahaha!
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Mil Mom
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 1:32am@banjarmon
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:44am
Maybe the unions will become republicans. Oh wait the republicans are already democrats…IF they really want freedom they need to drink the TEA and flush the cool-aid
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And your prescription doesn’t even have an increased co-pay for them to worry about!
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Mil Mom
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 1:37am@Walkabout
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 12:45pm
Union Leaders need to be fired.
They are surprised? Union headquarters have staff experts such as economists. True they might lean left, but their analysis should not be so affected by their political preferences that these costs should be a surprise.
Either the analysts are at fault or their union bosses. Either way the bosses need to go because their failed the rank & file union member.
Surprise, Surprise, Surprise, does not cut it. After about the 3rd time you would think the leadership does not have the “smarts” to lead.
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Doesn’t seem to have hurt the “leaders” at the national government level, why should it hurt the union leaders to not have smarts enough to lead?
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huufarted
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 10:09amObama gonna screw them like the rest of Amerika now thaat he doesn’t need them to win re-election, just watch…
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super_why
Posted on March 5, 2013 at 5:17pmthey voted for him,we tried to warn everyone,now deal with it……
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searching for the Truth
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:02amThere is a surprise in every box !
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sneetzle
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:17amGood one…
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jakartaman
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:27amHa HA – He double crossed the union wh-res!!
What part of big central government taxing progressive socialist – did they not understand?
Welcome to the European Nanny state of Amerika!
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MAX0O1
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:41amLOVE IT! Love it! WHAT GOES AROUND comes around!
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ginger100
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:46amJust like coming up on the deck of the Titanic and finding out that there isn’t enough lifeboats for everyone and then handed a life jacket by Ismay because he’s jumping into a lifeboat. Oh look! There goes the California sailing by.
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MIBUGNU2
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 1:00pmSay it ain’t so BO !!! We LUV ya’…man’ !!
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Mil-Dot
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 1:29pmThose union cretins actually thought that only the rest of us poor saps would have to pay. I fricking love it. Nothing sucks more than a union goon. I hold them on the same level as child molesters. They disgust me.
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Mil Mom
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 1:47am@MIBUGNU2
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 1:00pm
Say it ain’t so BO !!! We LUV ya’…man’ !!
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Ya think this is something, wait’ll they figure out the collapse of the $ means there $millions in the banks are as worthless as everyone else’s, and the communists won’t share with them.
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GuruMeditation
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:02amNow EVERYONE is finding out what’s in the bill.
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whatthecrazy
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:16amFor me this is good news at last,the unions and thier mind numbed union dues paying fools are joining our club of misery.They deserve every thing they get for thier commie vote.
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CatB
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:52amWatch though like the waivers .. they will get a “special” deal .. they just have to grease a few palms and make a few threats.
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Annarie
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 9:12pmI am sure they WILL get a deal. Workers making 30-50 dollars and hour will have their health care subsidized by those making 15. Somebody in Washington needs to stand up against the Marxist idiot and prosecute him for all his crimes against America and overturn this garbage!
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The_Pointy_End
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:55pm@catb
This will be interesting to watch unfold. IMHO – the unions are no longer needed by this administration (useful idiots) so I believe no deal will be made. I believe the administration’s next move will be to purposely end the “power” of the unions. Can’t have organized labor lingering around that could rise up and oppose them. History does repeat itself. Unions = Hitler’s brownshirts. Hitler also got rid of organized bullies after serving his purpose. The only difference is Obama will destroy the Union’s structure (through legislation and negative public opinion) so it will collapse under itself, not actually kill the members of the unions, as Hitler did.
The only change to this scenario will be if the administration finds they still might need the unions. Then a temporary deal (which looks permanent) will be made.
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dcatkin
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 8:58amNo most of them still don’t know, it has nothing to do with health care.
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AvengerK
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:01amPaging DESERT_ROSE…negative union story in aisle 7 that needs scrubbing and sanitizing.
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Beckaj
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:13amFunny stuff.
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Fubared
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:44amShe is wailing at her shop steward as he cowers behind his 0 doll. Perhaps we will hear from her come lunch time in DC.
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biohazard23
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 12:14pmYou mean the union-mandated 2-hour long, 3-martini lunch?
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 1:36pmBIOHAZARD, Yep, that sounds like the standard hydraulic lunch.
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icarenough
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:58amThe chickens have come home to rooooosssssttttttt.
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eyedoc5
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:16amhahahahaahhahaha!
great reference! nothing better than a J-Wright joke, except maybe an A-Gore joke.
But well done. Hilarious.
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OhioRifleman
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:36amSuch an inconvenient truth, I daresay.
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steveinva
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:36amHope about “THEY PLAYED ON YOUR FEARS!”
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npc
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 12:27pmYup, the man in the office got what he wanted. ‘Don’t need you anymore fools.
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Mil-Dot
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 1:35pmNPC nailed it. This whole Obamacare BS was about one thing and one thing only: To take money from the snowman so he could buy health insurance for poor deadbeat blacks. I mean, lets call a spade a spade here. And all of you over-paid white union goons are gonna pay for the welfare queens and princes too. Ha fricking ha. How does it feel to be duped by a brother? LOL
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jblovesAmerica
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:52amOkay- can i now say”i told you so”
Am i suppose to feel sorry for this?
“you made the bed-sleep in it”
How many others have been given exceptions to OC
Why am i laughing so, out loud belly laughs-Thanks to our Pres.and the rest of you lemmings
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The_Jerk
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:04amDon’t miss the play. This is their first move in confiscating more tax dollars.
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turkey13
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:18amDuh – Why do you think AARP jumped on the Obama bandwagon? They still collect their fees and then let Medicare foot the bill. My wife retired from the Teachers Union after 32years of teaching. We got letters from them earily last year telling my wife Obama Care would not affect us. Well last April when my wife hit age 65 and went on Medicare that letter was trash. Now as far as prescriptions, we have the same donut hole juust like my mother who only has Medicare. We still have health insurence but did not get a reduction other than the standard as before Obama Care. Since the government is picking up the prescriptions there should have been another redued rate.
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jcldwl
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:34am@turkey
I got an AARP card in the mail yesterday. It went directly in the shredder. AARP is hurting, my wife is only 48 and they send her stuff all the time. It also goes in the shredder.
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npc
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 12:23pmHey union members, I am almost certain that refunds of your support dollars were not written into the contract. BTW is this what is meant by, ‘Buy American’? or, ‘Union made’.
Remember the old standby slogan, ‘Buyer be aware’.
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GeorgieJo
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 3:54pmDidn’t AARP get STIMULUS money?
I would NEVER join that organization.
Too pro Oblamo for me.
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msjoe43
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 4:38pmAARP throws Seniors UNDER THE BUS supporting Obama Care legislation when Obama was elected in 2009.
Obama threw his Grandmother UNDER THE BUS.
Obama is throwing everybody UNDER THE BUS.
Born in 1961 (If this is true?…since Communist Pres.Obama has “sealed” everything when he was elected in 2009)
Obama is a Metal Ox according to the Chinese Calendar.
CHARACTERISTICS of an Ox: Obstinate, Pouty, Truthful, Motivated, Friendly, Apathetic, Genuine, Quick-tempered
THE METAL OX 1901 AND 1961
Metal Ox people work harder and more scrupulously than most people, including other Oxen. They always show a boldness and drive and will stop at nothing to achieve their goals. Like all Oxen, they are completely trustworthy and dependable, but they are not ones to display their emotions freely or openly. These Oxen have the strength of steel, with a will to match. Often, this strength and ruthless will make it difficult for them to identify with the feelings of others around them. However, an Ox is always willing to defend what he knows to be true and won’t give up until he has proven what he knows to be true.
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Wolfgang the Gray
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 8:23pmStinking unions, beat up TEA Party members that were out trying to tell people about Obamacare was going to raise everyone’s costs. If Obama bails the unions out of the crap that they pushed so hard for, it will definitely be time to light the torches & grab the pitchforks.
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seek.the.truth
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:51amJust hate to have to say this but ……………I told ya so!
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Kumo
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:18pmI’m not against saying, “Elections have consequences, deal with it!”.
These Union bosses and workers deserve a http://picardfacepalm.com/
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txswalker
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:49amReally no point in being in a union anymore..they put themselves out of businesss…HAHA dopes
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MuddyWaters
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:38am…along with hostess and delicious twinkies
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ForMyKidsVA
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:43amMy sister is a teacher in a strong teacher union state. She also has MS. She voted for Obama because she is convinced that she will never lose her health coverage and all her bills will be paid forever and she will never have to worry about healthcare.
While I sympathize with her healthcare worries, I myself have Crohn’s disease, I can’t figure out how someone so smart (she has a masters in mathematics and really is quite intelligent) can be so gosh darned dumb. I did my best to try and sway her vote but she remained convinced that all her future healthcare worries will now be taken care of. Any day now I expect a call from her where she is upset over her school district dropping her from her gold plaited healthcare and into substandard govt care.
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huey6367
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:48amBook smart, common sense stupid (no offense to your sis). Such is the way of most of the highly educated.
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AvengerK
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:31amFORM…stay strong both of you.
You have to understand the liberal mind to understand why your sister who is an educator can’t get her mind around the pitfalls of one of the messiest, most poorly crafted pieces of legislation to ever get signed into law. All she sees is the “good intentions” of the law. “Pre-existing conditions”, “reproductive rights”, 31 million covered…ad nauseum. She only sees the catch phrases, the sound bytes, the lab coats around Obama in the picture at the White House. She hears “tax the rich or the employer to pay for it” and she thinks that’s more than enough. She hears “individual mandate” and believes we all must do our “fair share”. She doesn’t have the mental apparatus to examine the law further, to question it to consider the consequences. Liberals function on a different mental plane than conservatives or libertarians. Liberals function on the emotional level alone. That’s why theyr’e so easily manipulated by unscruplous liars like Obama and Pelosi.
Heck..look and Landreiu’s performance the other day..apparently Washington doesn’t have a spending problem..it’s all Fox’s invention. Your sister believes this kind of stuff.
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bumfuzeled
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:56ameven if she keeps her insurance, good luck finding a doctor who accepts it.
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MCON29
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:57amI am also in the teachers union in a highly pro-union state (Illinois). Trying to talk to the rank and file democrats and convince them that the union leadership was wrong on this was literally like trying to convert Bin Ladin to Christianity. Not only do they ignore the facts they get down right angry and insulted.
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1FreeVoice
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 12:46pmHave you seen a book called Intellectuals and Society? It does a good job of explaining WHY some smart people can act so dumb. You know your sister is no idiot. You can’t understand why you were not able to make her see what was obvious to you. This is one of the books I would recommend… I don’t know if it will help you figure out the best way to get through to her next time, but It can’t hurt.
You have to start with where someone is, not where you want someone to be, when you are trying to persuade them of something. It helps to understand just where they are, and why. It was an eye opener for me.
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your_imaginary_friend
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 2:50pmYeah ‘Book Smart’ doesn’t mean ‘politically smart’ or even, ‘knows-truth-from-BS’, smart.
I use to work for a ‘smart guy’. He had a doctorate in Electrical Engineering, but he was clearly confused as to how I, a rational thinking human being, could be a Republican. One day he flat out asks me ‘why?’, and I told him” “Lincoln, Reagan, Abortion” (The 3 N’s if your will)
My patter was basically,
Lincoln freed the slaves.
Reagan proved tax cuts equal more revenue
and
Abortion kills babies.
As soon as I said “I’m Republican because Lincoln freed the slaves” He went pale and called me a racist. The man looked at me like I’d stabbed him.
Took me a few long minutes to find a dictionary that proved to him Lincoln was a Republican.
Then… I had the wonderful experience of watching the lights go on in his brain.
The only truly open-minded person I ever met.
So yeah, ‘book smart’ is a subset of smart.
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8mileshigh
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 3:32pmNot to mention that is a selfish reason to vote for Obama. I myself enjoy the fact that my children are on my health plan until 26 (their jobs don’t provide insurance) but I did not vote for Obama because I believe he is a radical and I didn’t WANT this country “radically transformed”.
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Ash_Kiker
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 4:48pmPeople that are book smart have no common sence…. in order to get them to understand what is happening, you have to use phycology on them…. like what the libs are using on them but in reverse
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poster
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:42am“I heard him say, ‘If you like your health plan, you can keep it,’” said John Wilhelm, chairman of Unite Here Health, the insurance plan for 260,000 union workers. “If I’m wrong, and the president does not intend to keep his word, I would have severe second thoughts about the law.”
LOLOLOL lolol
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huey6367
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:49amAnd where were you, union boss, during the health care debate?
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TSUNAMI_22
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:04am@ huey6367
And where were you, union boss, during the health care debate?
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Counting Union dues and chompin’ on a fat cigar. Now he just realized where that cigar has been. (Cough, cough….Lewinski).
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ferggie
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:09amYa but he didn’t say you could afford it when he was done. I love all those idiots that continue to believe this liar. He has lied every time he opens his mouth since he became a senator and you fools keep supporting him. All I can say is it is what can be expected when someone has the IQ of a farm animal. You liberals wanted it, you got it so shut up we don’t want to hear your pathetic winning.
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angeleyes63
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:41amBlind allegiance, it’s a great thing?
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biohazard23
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:40amHa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha (cough) ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha (snort) ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha (guffaw) ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha (hack!) ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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SgtBigO
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:59amDitto!
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whatthecrazy
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:11am@ BIO laughing is so contagious ……….Thanks you got me at snort.
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TruthSeekingTexan
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:14amAnd throw in a “wipe away tears of laughter” at the end of that…I’m there! :)
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AvengerK
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:21amLOL..best post on the board BIOHAZARD.
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biohazard23
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:24amHeh heh heh… My sides are still aching over this – ROFLMAO!!!!
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ZAP
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:36amYou have to pass the bill to see what’s in it….
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lefty5005
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 12:11pmZAP, I bet Pelosi’s botox injections are covered under her platinum “members of the congress” health care plan.
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:35amOh the uttermost thrill of seeing the unions understand how badly they have been played by the communist in the White House. The sheer joy of it is very much worth seeing happen.
Now then, will they demand of Obama wavers for their union members, or the subsidies to ensure they do not lose any more bribe money or such for their members?
Or have we finally seen, with Obama-care, the stake driven into the heart of the unions corrupt corpse as their members will flee in droves due to no healthcare coverage as they had been promised for joining the unions.
May we all see the destruction of the unions and the Democrat party come about soon.
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FeralHuman
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:44amSnow, you are correct, they will speed dial the Kremlin in Washington DC and get waivers for the big wigs in the unions. Then they will be ramping up the criminal voting machines and illegal voters, the multi-voters, the dead, etc.
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Arbroath7
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:35amA union is a social disease.
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jcldwl
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 11:40amWell put I believe I will use that phrase in the future.
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ontopp123
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 12:39pmI wonder if the cure is covered as a precondition
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EQUALIZER
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:34amTypical low I.Q., low information crowd, gimme,gimme, gimme, cause I’m stupid.
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13th Imam
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:34amLook For The Union Label
The buy elsewhere.
Another Law of Intended Consequences sitchiation,,,, Bwahahahaha
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Small World
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:34amOMG ! The fog is clearing.
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justangry
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:30amIf I were a doctor I’d organize a general strike until the ACA was shoved right back up their collectivist asses.
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RANGER1965
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:29amAhhh…now that union numbers have sunk to a new low, they are no longer as important to the Obama machine.
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civilwarcometh
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:28amI really don’t care what any union thinks about anything. I will NOT comply with obamacare.
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Blivit
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:39ami don’t have to worry about obamacare, i’m stuck under romneycare!
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VanceUppercut
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 1:21pm@civilwarcometh
Unless you move to another country, yes you will comply. Hah!
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RightUnite
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:27amYou made your bed, you sleep in it idiots!
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Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:45amCorrection, Useful Idiots.
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Stelex
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:25amAh, the irony. Now bend over union POS and take it like a man.
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progressiveslayer
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:24amGovernment healthcare will raise cost? Wow that’s shocking huh? It’s also going to cost millions of jobs but hey we’re all going to be made equal right?
“A society that puts equality before freedom will get neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both.”
― Milton Friedman
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gyro
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:22am80$ a hr auto workers should be exempt
Problem solved
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Tx Spud Bar
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 1:01pmNo they need to move to a right to work state.The money they save on dues can go toward the cost of the Affordable Healthcare Tax that all their dues poured into the Democratic Party to get the Progressive Socialist Obama re-elected . Low information voters wake-up before they steal all our freedoms from us.
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