Leaked Draft of Climate Report Shows U.N. Conceding Solar Activity May Play Significant Role in Global Warming
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In addition to revealing evidence of two decades of overestimated global warming, the recently leaked draft of a future U.N. report on climate change indicates that solar activity may play a larger role in global warming than previously thought.
The assertion that the vast majority of global warming is the result of man-man greenhouse gas emissions as opposed to natural causes has been a hotly debated issue.
“[Results] do suggest the possibility of a much larger impact of solar variations on the stratosphere than previously thought, and some studies have suggested that this may lead to significant regional impacts on climate,†reads a draft copy of the report put together by the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).
Fox News identified the man who leaked the report at StopGreenSuicide blogger Alec Rawls. He told FoxNews.com that the discoveries about solar activity were his main motivation for the doc leak.
“The public needs to know now how the main premises and conclusions of the IPCC story line have been undercut by the IPCC itself,†Rawls wrote on his website in December.
More from FoxNews.com’s conversation with Rawls:
Rawls blames the U.N. for burying its point about the effect of the sun in Chapter 11 of the report.
“Even after the IPCC acknowledges extensive evidence for … solar forcing beyond what they included in their models, they still make no attempt to account for this omission in their predictions. … It’s insane,†he told FoxNews.com.
Some skeptical climatologists say that the statement in the U.N. draft report is important, but not game-changing.
“The solar component is real but not of sufficient magnitude to have driven most of the warming of the late 20th century,†PatMichaels, the former president of the American Association of State Climatologists, and current director of the Center for the Study of Science at the Cato Institute, told FoxNews.com.
Climate change activists though say this is just a “trick” put forth by “climate contrarians.”
“I see climate contrarians try this trick almost every time a big new solar study comes out. They somehow tend to neglect mentioning that solar variation is smaller than the heat-trapping power of carbon dioxide,†Aaron Huertas of the Union of Concerned Scientists told FoxNews.com.
“The basic evidence is that solar activity has varied a bit while global temperature keeps going up,†he added.
Meanwhile, Rawls argues that solar activity remains at a historically high level, enough to continue warming the earth without an increase in activity.
“The simplest way to put it is: If you put a pot on the stove at the maximum temperature, and leave it on at that temperature — are you telling me that the pot won’t keep warming?â€
To read FoxNews.com’s entire report, click here.
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DEFCON4
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 12:20amGlobal Warming : An elementary form of ‘reverse-psychology’.
So, ‘simple’ it work$$$..
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Keatonc333
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 1:52amAt least were finally all admitting that global warming is real.
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KevINtampa
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 2:12amI grew up on a glacier lake in Indiana. Had global warming not existed it wouldn’t have been a lake but a giant piece of ice. I’ve known since cognition that global warming was and is real; and I thank God for it else I would be freezing my butt off and I hate the cold which why I now live in Florida.
Now the reason for global warming… Well, that glacier lake I grew up on melted thousands of years before man created fire, let alone the ability to systematically control explosions with a combustion engine so I think the sun must at least be a big if not biggest factor…
Evidently that’s not common sense, as common sense these days revolves around the illogical arguments and logical arguments are part of the uncommon sense.
And it’s our “scientific” leaders like Al Gore pushing this non-sense. Leftist environmental scientists are to science what pedophile priests are to the Catholic church… An embarrassment that their institutions are trying to cover for; and they both give their institutions a very despicable reputation.
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DEFCON4
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 2:27amKeaton, my friend, you are a ‘shining example’….
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johnpaulkuchtajr
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 6:09amKeaton,
Your complete lack of any trace of logical reasoning ability just lights my _ _ _ _.
Who the hell do you think “caused” the warming that prompted the retreat of the glaciers across the face of North America as they carved-out the Great Lakes. You HAVE heard of the Great Lakes, haven’t you, Keaton? How did your liberal, grade school science teachers explain their presence?
I keep suggesting that you take some courses at your local community college. Begin slowly with elementary logic. Build from there and then appear in public using simple sentences: subject, verb and object. You CAN be saved. Don’t give-up on yourself.
“Remember Benghazi and ALL the Traitors!”
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decendentof56
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:32amKeaton,
Why don’t you do your part. Go sit in a cave and eat leaves.
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spfoam1
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:47am@Keatonc333….That warmth you’ve been feeling is not global warming. Go check your britches.
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fortdick
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 10:29amAt least Al Gore made his money first.
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UNALIEN
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 10:55amKEATONC333
you mean climate change, it has always existed, it just isn’t caused by man
I just don’t understand why there are so many natural climate change deniers…
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lani59
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 11:11amSo how do we stop that nasty sun from causing all our weather problems? The arrogance of man who can believe that on a planet that has survived for +4 billion years is that we can destroy it in a 100yrs with fossil fuels. Climate change, sure but man is not going to cause it, (maybe nuclear winter?).
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Walkabout
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 3:22pmKeatonc333
At least were finally all admitting that global warming is real.
***
What was the debate over? Was is anthropomorphic global warming, AGW (that is man made global warming for those of you pulling the IQ of the Jayhawks down), or global warming?
It was AGW!
Maybe you can be a good little Democrat Brown shirt & march to El Dorado, Kansas & put that oil refinery/storage farm out of business. It is a den of inequity according to acolytes of the left such as yourself. That is if you are serious about stopping AGW. Why not. After all you are the type of person that wants to see “electricity rates necessarily sky rocket” & bankrupt civilization.
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Unix
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 10:07pmImagine…that little disc in the sky has an impact on our weather, who would have thunk such a thing! Silly us!!!!
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Libertarian
Posted on February 4, 2013 at 12:55am@Keaton,
Global Warming or Climate Change is the religion of the left.
The debate for me is very easy – my local meteorologists will get the weather incorrect next week as they always do. Trying to predict the outcome of weather in 20 or 30 years is impossible – trending cannot be accurately done because of the multitude of variables. Trending itself is very unreliable in all sciences.
The Email-Gate Scandal was very telling how the Climate Change community, scientists and the like want to open their data to the world. Science, by its very nature is about testing hard data – letting other scientists test the data. Yet in our ever increasing political climate, science has become political ie pseudo. Good science is science that can be tested, over and over again by different scientists – however the climate scientists groups work behind closed doors and keep their hard data close to them. Keep those state-sponsored grants uh-coming!
Global Warming or Climate Change – these ideas are genius from a “central planning” perspective because they are the perfect crisis, but are utter nonsense in reality. Perfect crisis being the time at which governments can make drastic change in taxation and control.
Global Warming and Climate Change are lies.
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Jake Dog2
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 12:18amWOW like DUHHHH!!! Who would have though that the sun played a role in global warming. Ha ha ha. Only libs with brains the size of a pea would think otherwise .
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Gonzo
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:00amHow many millions did they blow to figure it out?
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John655
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 5:11pmMilankovitch cycles are responsible for the ice ages, or so I was taught in college. It is all about the orbit of the Earth and other planets and the Earth’s tilt. Nothing to do with CO2. Just note that we are coming due for another cold period. So I hope and pray CO2 will help keeps us warm, but I doubt it.
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rickroland
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 12:16amWhy am I, and many others, not surprised at all?
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ginger100
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 12:16amThis is the end that the Mayans were referring too. Adios muchachos, and please take California with you.
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purecolorartist
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:55pmIf you want straight talk about global warming er climate change er climate disruption er climate weirding go to WUWT: http://wattsupwiththat.com/
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NDPINDNT
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 12:15amI follow Anthony Watts on FB too. He also posts on http://www.icecap.us. They have been discussing the solar influence to earth’s weather and climate changes since I first found the site several years ago. Anthony lives in the near area and was the weather guy for KHSL for many years until he retired. I really like the man.
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asybot12
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 2:07amThanks to both of you have bookmarked them and already read a few articles that have made a lot of sense. To me, the minute I realized years ago that politics and business got involved to “promote” “climate change” I new there was an snake in the grass. That his name was Al Gore is no surprise is it after all the things this snake has done!
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The-Monk
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:28pmAnd when it is reported that someplace on Earth just broke a 99 year old heat record the UN never asks, “Why was it that hot there 99 years ago”.
People with an agenda don’t ask questions… they just stick with their plan.
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IndyGuy
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:49pm“Leaked Draft of Climate Report Shows U.N. Conceding Solar Activity May Play Significant Role in Global Warming”
First Al Gorezeera, now this….Looks like the frauds of “Climate Change” are going to have to go back to the drawing board and figure out their next fraud on mankind…
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lovenfl3
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:51pmHere’s the bottom line on this global warming crap. My weatherman can’t tell me within 5 degrees what the weather will be tomorrow, yet the global warming cretins can tell me what the temperature will be in 1000 years. And they can tell me within 1/10th of a degree. Really? Check this out from the king of the global warming scam. Watch the exchange with Marsha Blackburn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABfZi7PPFSU
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spfoam1
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:17pmPretty soon they will link the sunset to darkness.
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:17pmMore proof of global warming being a farce and exploited to the UN’s advantage’; nature works on larger cycles than mankind….time to disband the UN and shove them into the ocean.
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TexOkie
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:11pmAs I have said for years, anyone who thinks the Earth’s warming is due to man should go outside on a sunny day and stare into the Sun for a few minute and let the Sun warm their face. Then in their blindness they will have a lifetime to contemplate what really causes the Earth to warm.
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juancarnuba
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:31pmI’ve got a better challenge. Spend 3 days outside with no shelter, no sleeping bag, no heat source, no hot food or drink, no change of clothes, out in the open. You can have all the cold food and drink you want. You will either be convinced that the sun is the primary drier of climate or you will die of hypothermia or heat stroke.
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VoteRightDammit
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:10pmSo ….
will Obama now have a beer summit with Anthony Waats ?
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Fat Pappy
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:09pmNO WAY! How did Al Gore cause an increase in solar activity?
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Kuurus
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 3:58pmGas!
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yougottabekidding
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:05pmI’m not getting paid enough.
I’m not a world renounce scientist and I knew that!
What the heck are they going to claim when the sun starts to expand?
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catty
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:35pmBless your heart
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Flag Raiser
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:01pmDUHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, I said that 10 years ago. When we had warming here, Mars had warming.
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cosmic dogma
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:00pmJust look up solar cycles. Very interesting. Yes, Earth heats up when there is a solar flare. For you democrats… If you are standing next to a fire, and a big flaring spark pops out and hits you, you are necessarily hotter than when you weren’t being hit by a big flaring spark. If this occurs over and over, you may heat up considerably. There is a direct correspondence between solar flares and spikes in the earth’s “temperature”.
As far as humans being able to influence the planet…try not mowing your grass for a summer and see how insignificant the power of the Earth is. We are insignificant. Not the planet. Amazing how powerful liberals feel. Just like God, only with no sense of reality or ethics.
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juancarnuba
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:45pmLook up the approaching Gleissberg Minimum. 2030. It’s going to get colder. While you’re at it look up the Beer-Lambert Gas Law: As the concentration of a gas increases it’s ability to absorb light decreases exponentially. CO2 reached 90% absorption of infrared radiation at about 250 ppm. 500 ppm would mean an increase of .9% more absorption of infrared radiation.
Global cooling has always been much more severe. Civilization has always thrived during periods of global warming. Civilization has always had more disease, mass starvation and increased conflict during global cooling.
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booger71
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:00pmDuh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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DarkJello
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 10:57pm“[Results] do suggest the possibility of a much larger impact of solar variations on the stratosphere than previously thought, and some studies have suggested that this may lead to significant regional impacts on climate,â€
Correction:
“…than previously thought by the worshippers of global climate change, and some studies…”
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700P
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 8:02amExactly what I was going to say. It’s time for the Goya Earth Goddess worshippers to formally be designated a religion so the rest of us can get 1st Amendment protection from them. I’m sure Algore would happily be their Spacepope…I hear he’s loaded now for some reason.
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TotallyNotATroll
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 10:56pmThe sun may play a role in warming the earth, sacrelige, lies, its always warmer in the dark…. Really?
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Metallicat
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 10:55pmSo UN scientists finally left their computer models and came out of their caves to discover the sun?
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wordweaver
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 10:51pmTo answer the last question posed in the article, if your pot is full of water (or some water-based food, the answer is “no”, it will not keep warming. Once it reaches the boiling point, the temperature will remain at about 100 C, even if you keep adding heat, as the liquid boils away. So, who’s to say that maybe, just maybe, our planet has self-correcting mechanisms built in to handle the periodic rises and falls of atmospheric temperature. Long term data seems to suggest this is true.
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Advection
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:17pmThe temperature of the hypothetical pot will keep rising until it matches the temperature of the stove element, and I think the scientist knows that.
The larger point he was making was that solar activity is at an historic high, and if nothing else changed, the planets would continue to get hotter because of that. By the way, that is a very good thing, and we should do everything we can to increase the global temperature. God help us if there is another Ice Age,” little” or otherwise.
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wordweaver
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:41pmADVECTION: no, it will not rise to match the temperature of heating element as long as there is still liquid in the pot. Once the boiling point of the liquid is reached, the liquid stays at that temperature as it boils. Yeah, it really does.
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Advection
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 12:18am@WORD
Yes, “The temperature of the hypothetical pot will keep rising until it matches the temperature of the stove element”.
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DEFCON4
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 12:51am@ Ok, You ‘cyber-alchemists’, What gives we this ‘hypothetical pot’ ?
Is, it under the stove, or what ??……..
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Advection
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 10:49pmSkeptics have been saying this for years, and they’ve been called fools. The Sun is a far greater influence, and CO2 is a far lesser influence than has ever been admitted.
Science has been corrupted by lawyers who work in the political field, and they’re not about to give up just because the truth spills out.
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booger71
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 10:59pmI am still looking for the holes in the Ozone caused by spray cans and refrigerant.
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VoteRightDammit
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:08pmUnfortunately, you are wrong. It’s not “lawyers” who have corrupted science but scientists.
AGW scientists have lived high on the hog. Nice homes. Mercedes (plural). Exotic business trips.
And all of this depends on grants, which depend on approval from bureaucrats, who dance to the tune of the socialists/communists (sorry if that sounds conspiracy-esque, but better to sound silly than to be intentionally blind).
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yougottabekidding
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:18pmbooger71
Maybe that’s what nasa was paying tribute to the muslims for, their contribution.
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bluestate2redandliving-better
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 10:48pmWater vapor is also a “greenhouse gas”. If only we could remove water and co2….then we could have mars. Awesome. Yeah let’s just kill all plants first, then without oxygen for us evil humans, the planet will once again heal. Or maybe an asteroid, or the sun going super nova will end this B S.
An ice age would be the absolute best thing, really we need to learn Spanish anyway…..
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DarkJello
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 10:59pmSpanish is a fantastic language.
Even with global cooling, silver linings abound.
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UNALIEN
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 10:43pmtime for Obama to double down on…
soylent green jobs
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Advection
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 10:50pm“Soylent Green is conservative people!”
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Advection
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 10:56pmThis reminded me about some really prophetic movies from the 60s and 70s about the (Progressive) future. One of those Agenda 21-esque moves was called “ZPG” (Zero Population Growth).
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069530/plotsummary
I bet nobody has heard of this. I bet the liberals don’t want anyone to hear about it either.
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UNALIEN
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:22pmthe Climate Change scam is a reorganizing of human enslavement…
The Story of Your Enslavement – Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbp6umQT58A
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gauge
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 10:40pmAnyone with half a Brian would have figured that out years ago when mars and the other planets were reported to be warming.
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Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 10:52pmOMG. Someone else besides me that reads science. I have a friend that is an extreme enviormentalist. When I asked him to explain why Mars warmed as much as Earth at the same time, “Do they have SUV’s on MARS?”
He just keeps saying, “That doesn’t prove anything, Men are destroying earth.”
Thank you for bring this up.
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13th Imam
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:06pmDar
Tell him to kill himself. Charity starts at home.
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wellright
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 12:03amDAR Ask your friend if the ice sheet left Arizona because the wooly mammoths were all driving Chevy Suburbans?
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Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 3:59am@Wellright
Dude……Rock On.
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VoteRightDammit
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 10:39pmHa ha ha!
In the end lies destroy themselves.
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Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 10:36pmWHAT!!!! The SUN may be causing us to get warm. I am sooo shocked, let me show you my shocked face…….Whaaaaaa?
So all that info that solar scientist have been providing with solar activity and the links to temperature rises wasn’t BS afterall, even though they have labeled those guys total crackpots for years.
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