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Surprise! IRS Calculates Cheapest ‘Obamacare’ Plan Will Average $20,000 Per Family

Feb. 1, 2013 1:23pm Becket Adams

When the Obama White House and Congress passed The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (i.e. “Obamacare”), we clearly recall being told that the bill would save Americans money.

Yet, as CNSNews.com reports, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) in a regulation issued Wednesday “assumed that under Obamacare the cheapest health insurance plan available in 2016 for a family will cost $20,000 for the year.”

Wait, what?

Yes, while explaining the penalty for not purchasing government insurance, the IRS calculates that the average annual cost for a family will be at about $20,000.

“The IRS’s assumption that the cheapest plan for a family will cost $20,000 per year is found in examples the IRS gives to help people understand how to calculate the penalty they will need to pay the government if they do not buy a mandated health plan,” CNSNews.com reports.

“The examples point to families of four and families of five, both of which the IRS expects in its assumptions to pay a minimum of $20,000 per year for a bronze plan,” the report adds.

Wait a minute. What is the exact language of the IRS regulation?

“The annual national average bronze plan premium for a family of 5 (2 adults, 3 children) is $20,000,” the regulation states.

Oh.

“Bronze will be the lowest tier health-insurance plan available under Obamacare — after Silver, Gold, and Platinum,” CNS explains. “Under the law, the penalty for not buying health insurance is supposed to be capped at either the annual average Bronze premium, 2.5 percent of taxable income, or $2,085.00 per family in 2016.”

In the new rules published Wednesday, the IRS also made law the regulations regarding the fines and penalties incurred if someone chooses not to buy the insurance. And in an attempt to explain these laws, the agency draws up a few examples.

“[T]he IRS assumes that families of five who are uninsured would need to pay an average of $20,000 per year to purchase a Bronze plan in 2016,” CNS notes.

“Using the conditions laid out in the regulations, the IRS calculates that a family earning $120,000 per year that did not buy insurance would need to pay a ‘penalty’ (a word the IRS still uses despite the Supreme Court ruling that it is in fact a ‘tax’) of $2,400 in 2016,” the report adds.

And just in case you were wondering how convoluted and contrived these new regulations look like, here’s the exact language from the IRS:

Example 3. Family without minimum essential coverage.

“(i) In 2016, Taxpayers H and J are married and file a joint return. H and J have three children: K, age 21, L, age 15, and M, age 10. No member of the family has minimum essential coverage for any month in 2016. H and J’s household income is $120,000. H and J’s applicable filing threshold is $24,000. The annual national average bronze plan premium for a family of 5 (2 adults, 3 children) is $20,000.

“(ii) For each month in 2016, under paragraphs (b)(2)(ii) and (b)(2)(iii) of this section, the applicable dollar amount is $2,780 (($695 x 3 adults) + (($695/2) x 2 children)). Under paragraph (b)(2)(i) of this section, the flat dollar amount is $2,085 (the lesser of $2,780 and $2,085 ($695 x 3)). Under paragraph (b)(3) of this section, the excess income amount is $2,400 (($120,000 – $24,000) x 0.025). Therefore, under paragraph (b)(1) of this section, the monthly penalty amount is $200 (the greater of $173.75 ($2,085/12) or $200 ($2,400/12)).

“(iii) The sum of the monthly penalty amounts is $2,400 ($200 x 12). The sum of the monthly national average bronze plan premiums is $20,000 ($20,000/12 x 12). Therefore, under paragraph (a) of this section, the shared responsibility payment imposed on H and J for 2016 is $2,400 (the lesser of $2,400 or $20,000)

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Comments (187)

progressiveslayer
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 7:32pm
Barry is a Marxist and that ideology is based on the big lie and unfortunately for us his worshipers believe every word he utters,he’s a pathological liar incapable of telling the truth. When that hellish law kicks in millions of jobs will be lost but more importantly many people will be allowed to die because of the avalanche of denied claims that’s coming to everyone on medicare and every other plan except for medicaid. Those individuals are the protected class,they don’t work or pay federal or state income tax but they have gold plated insurance paid for by the people who’s insurance coverage is getting worse. Barry took 750 billion from medicare and injected it into medicaid,for those idiots who voted for Barry that is wealth redistribution. Barry Soetoro and everyone who voted for that law can go to hell.

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- mash4077
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 7:44pm
  I’d love to arrange the meeting with satan for those marxists POS’s
  
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- DarkJello
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 7:56pm
  Owebama’s worshippers often mock religious worshippers. Curious.
  
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- rickc34
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 8:53pm
  Obama and the dems shoved this down the throats of all taxpayers , not one Republican voted for this bill.
  
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- Keatonc333
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 9:36pm
  Do any of you even know what a Marxist is?
  
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- The_Almighty_Creestof
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 10:27pm
  No, see the problem is, that there is no way to put this information into a Sesame Street type skit so that the crack smoking, welfare rats can understand it during a rare lucid moment in their lives. And even if you could, it would not matter…because they are not the type of people who will say “Ok, Ok…I will take one for the team. I will do with nothing –because that is exactly what I’ve earned in my life– so that others who broke their backs to get where they are don’t have their hard earned money taken from them…at least not by force. Now, if they choose to donate to charities that will help me with my health care bills, then so be it.”
  
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- HappyConservative
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 10:34pm
  I expect that the IRS will not have nearly enough staff to follow up on this. Millions of families will default on this damn plan. IRS already struggles to collect on taxes as is…And now with billions more? Good luck with that. Obamacare is an f’ing joke. Just like Obama himself. But hey, America apparently wants all of this so f’ing have at it!
  
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- BryanB
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 12:01am
  It really doesn’t make any difference to me, I don’t have anything anyway, I got wiped-out about 5 years ago. If my family or myself need any medical help or a doctor, it’s off to the ER.
  
  Keep your fingers crossed everyone it’s been over five years since I’ve seen a doctor. I also fight off all sickness with tobacco and whiskey, and I’m not joking……….
  
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- brother_ed
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 12:37am
  @KEATONC333
  
  Marxism is the theory that believes “…that the class struggle is the basic agency of historical change, and that capitalism will ultimately be superseded by communism.” – Collins English Dictionary
  
  A Marxist is one who believes in that theory.
  
  Facism is “a system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship…” – American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language
  
  Obama is kind of a blend of the two. – Brother Ed
  
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- michaelmoron
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 1:06am
  I will not comply.
  
  I owe the Government nothing !!!!
  
  The Government owes me nothing !!!!
  
  The IRS is a PRIVATE COMPANY based in Puerto Rico. It can go pound rocks.
  
  The “Government” is also a PRIVATE CORPORATION !!!!
  
  I have no Binding Contract with them.
  
  I am no longer an Agent for the Social Security Administration and no longer a TRUSTEE of the TRUST.
  
  The only contract I have with the “government” is the DL to operate a vehicle on the roads in the State Corporation.
  This travel is for pleasure only and not considered Commerce. Therefore, I am NOT a Public Servant
  bound by trivial statutory jurisdiction or federal income tax or regulation.
  
  I OWE NOT ONE DIME of the DEBT !!!!
  
  I accept responsibility for MY ACTIONS. I WILL not be forced to be RESPONSIBLE for the INCOMPETENCE or CORRUPTION of OTHERS !!!!!
  
  iii
  
  I am not F#@king kidding !!!!
  I AM TIRED OF THE $#iT !!!!
  The Time for TALK is OVER !!!!!
  
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- SendTheMeteors
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 1:25am
  That’s less than I pay.
  
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- Keatonc333
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 2:06am
  brother ed. Obama has been the greatest friend to capitalism in a long time. do you not remember the stimulus packages? also hasn’t even entertained the idea of wall street reform. He saved the free markets A** are those the actions of someone who wants to destroy the free market?
  
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- KevINtampa
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 2:52am
  @SendtheMeterMaids
  
  Oh yeah…
  
  Well then prove it, you *****. Post a pdf copy of your health insurance statements.
  
  I double dare you, wimp.
  
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- KevINtampa
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 2:53am
  You can’t say ***** cat?
  
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- Sitchoazdown33
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 6:21am
  Keaton and Sendthemeteors era effin idiots. I’d rather look like an ***** and do the right thing for MOST PEOPLE, than be looked at as a saint and only lookout for a few. Bleeding heart morons. 20,000 a year! You’re what’s wrong with America.
  
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- PATTY HENRY
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:58am
  Here is a link (from Drudge) http://cnsnews.com/news/article/irs-cheapest-obamacare-plan-will-be-20000-family to read more as well.
  
  OKAY. YOU LOUSY SOBS. I will bet that not one of the “politicians” including that limp-wristed transgender looking Sebelius are paying for their Health Care !
  
  QUESTION: If the “new Immigration” bill passes …you know…the one that says NO BENEFITS to illegals until they become Citizens (in 11 + years) and they have to pay fines, back taxes etc. and What’shisnames figures for the “uninsured in America were 27M Americans — That leaves about 16M (most of them were young adults – healthy and would rather by cars and get that accidental health care coverage instead of reg. health insurance) that this whole bloody HC debacle was for (It actually was for his political gain with hair-brained immature hysterical selfish Liberals) … SO the 80-85% of Americans who were happily covered with insurance and managing to pay those rates (albeit a lot higher thanks to Gobment tinkering over past 20 years)… we were happy..this Satan’s son takes office and suddenly every American family has to either pay a $ 2400 a year fine (no insurance) or $ 20K to cover what used to cost a total of $ 2400 a year for family of 4.
  
  There just are NO WORDS to describe how mean-spirited; anti-American; detrimental and DANGEROUS those fools in the WH and Cabinet are. Happy now you liberal dopes???
  
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- Protoham
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 10:58am
  Kevin – A gold plated plan can cost $20K to $25K a year currently.
  
  The Plan discussed in this article is for the Bronze Plan, not Gold, not Silver, but the lowest plan that will be available. I am already raising my rates, you can expect to see it in the cost of the car you buy or the bus fare or train fare, or the energy you buy.
  
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- jeffersonian1776
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 12:06pm
  Keaton, you know not what free market capitalism even is? And neither do any corporations who took any bailout stimulus money. In a Laissez Faire free-market there is no such things as bailouts or stimulus packages at all. Really, these two are what you call an oxymoron. In a free market, you let the companies who are not solvent in meeting their obligations FAIL. There are opportunites to succeed and opportunities to fail. There are consequences for making bad decisions in a free market.
  And for the last time, get it thru your head, that government cannot turn one dollar into two dollars, they cannot create wealth; futhermore, if they could, the war on poverty would have been solved years ago, and for that matter, we would never have to pay taxes again, if the govt could solve this eternal quest that so many before have failed at. But they sure have done a good job in educating you and so many other dupes as to where a dollar actually comes from.
  If stimulus works, why did they just stop at $780 billion, heck, why not make it $780 trillion and give us all millions to spend–think how many jobs that would create. And everyone’s a millionaire too!
  Your lack of rudimentary economic principles, along with most of society, is our biggest problem, but go on continuing to believe in the fairytales they teach in public education.
  
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- cmjapnea
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 12:10pm
  my feelings exactly
  
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- E.Souchak
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 12:22pm
  Publisher of Blagojevich book under fire.
  
  Chicago Review Press: Do they ignore the facts?
  
  http://illinoispaytoplay.com/2013/02/02/chicago-review-press-do-they-ignore-the-facts/
  
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- SendTheMeteors
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 3:18pm
  KevINtampa, I dare you to post a pdf or any other file type here. Of anything.
  
  Why the anger? Having a bad day?
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 4:16pm
  @SendTheMeteors
  “KevINtampa, I dare you to post a pdf or any other file type here. Of anything.”
  
  I’ll take that challenge…. Here ya go J…. BTW; Interested in where you slipped up?
  
  http://www.cdemuandes.cl/images/cv-jzs.pdf
  
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- roscoe569
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 7:04pm
  Every comment you just made is total ********! Your hate knows no bounds.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 8:11pm
  SendTheMeteors
  Why the anger? Having a bad day?
  ***
  All Meteors & Keats do is come on here to try to set people off. Meteors dare not use his real name.
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 8:21pm
  Hi MONK, How long have I been saying this? LOL. Wonder what MEAT will come back as later?
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 8:43pm
  Hi RJJ,
  
  Quite a while… but JZS really made the “big slip up” today.
  
  I wonder if he realizes it yet? He’s a smart guy… probably kicking himself. LMAO !!!
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 8:57pm
  Hi MONK, honestly I seriously doubt it. He promotes himself to be such an elitist that he will likely refuse to believe our postulations and continue to be MEAT. LOL!
  
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- Unix
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 10:08pm
  Who’d of thought that our premiums would skyrocket, imagine that!! Silly us!!!
  
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- Unix
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 10:37pm
  Umm, ya Keat, he is a person who takes from a person who works hard and gives it to another person who hardly works…
  
  “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need”. I believe Karl Marx said that.
  
  What else can we school you on? The millions murdered in the name of Social Justice perhaps? Gulags for slave labor? Massive purges of peoples who resisted with starvation? societal dependency? Social depravity? Anti-God despots? Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Trotski…those are Marxists. Ozero shares their ideals, not sure yet if he wants the same outcomes, only time will tell, eh?
  
  Dasvidaniya comrade!
  
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- ozchambers
  Posted on February 5, 2013 at 10:07am
  JZS exposed!
  
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Cedar
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 7:14pm
Nancy and Harry helped BO ram this down our throats and The Supreme Court upheld it!!!! Then, the low information voters, with their obama phones, voted the SOBO in again! Apparently the phrase, ” Screw me once, shame on you! Screw me twice, shame on me!!,” is beyond understanding, to slightly over 50% of this once Great Country!!! America needs an Enema, starting from the Top Down!!!

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- CSharp
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 1:07am
  UHUH!!! Don’t you know that stuff flows downhill? Give them all Imodium!!
  
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- willost
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 7:30am
  This hit my email this morning. Unfortunately the dates do not line up – however, it did provide a chuckle!
  
  In 2013, both Groundhog Day and the State of the
  Union address will occur on the same day. This is an ironic
  juxtaposition of events. One involves a meaningless ritual in which we
  look to an insignificant creature of little intelligence for
  prognostication. The other involves a groundhog.
  
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- Qazart
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:19am
  @Willost: That is by far the funniest comment I’ve read on the Blaze!!!
  
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- oneshiner
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 10:13am
  Thanks mizer bama for skrewing the American people, but then you’re used to that kind of practice, aren’t you? Instead of better health care, it will be far worse than 3rd world countries deal with.
  Thx again proving WHO you are.
  
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- mudguy
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 10:20am
  This what we get remember “We have pass this bill to find out what is in it”. She should have added “Then we add more to it and we get to keep what we have because it is better for us”
  
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PLAINSMAN
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 7:04pm
i don’t understand. work to have good insurance but when i finally get good health care insurance its now going to cost 10 times what im paying now? dems are so idiotic. if i want to die ill not have insurance. if i want to live i cant afford it. you idiots need to give me all your money and then leave me alone. the right forever!

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- Keatonc333
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 9:37pm
  Is you plan through your work? because if so it will go unchanged.
  
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- slr4528
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 10:00pm
  The whole plan is to make insurance too expensive for the average guy and to force everyone on to a single payer system.
  
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- Clownzilla
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 10:08pm
  @Keaton333
  
  Seriously!? Companies are already talking about dropping plans all together because the benefit of dropping the insurance and paying the penalty WAY outweighs the benefit of keeping the insurance. On top of that, many companies keeping insurance are warning of layoffs and pay cuts to offset the massive increases in cost. Wow, I really wish I lived in the fantasy world you do because it would be GREAT!
  
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- Keatonc333
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 2:08am
  thats not going to happen clownzilla! wait and see mi amigo
  
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- Sitchoazdown33
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 6:58am
  More GREAT reasoning by Keaton “that’s not gonna happen. Wait and see mi amigo.” Unfortunate that you can’t teach intelligence.
  
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- OneTermPresident
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 9:35am
  @KEATONC333… Surely… you’re not that stupid are you? With the onset of OblamerCare it has already changed price wise. Won’t be long now.. and it will disappear… that was part of Oblamers objective. Pull your head out!
  
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Silvertruth
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 6:46pm
Oh boy, wait until TurboTax and free tax prepped folks get a hold of this one… It’s gonna make their heads spin when all their ‘refunds’ evaporate and they owe big bucks.

By the way, for $20,000 a year, you can get a top flight private health insurance plan, but now they cannot legally compete against Obamacare. They’ve all been “de-facto” destroyed.

I don’t know about all of you but I can’t make heads or tails of my healthcare anymore. Used to have Blue Cross/Blue Shield… now it got sold to some local agency that tells me I can’t go to hospitals I used to be able to and they are reviewing my physician choice… again. I guess I’ll have to hope I don’t have anything major happen until all the dust settles.

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- bennyfranklin
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 6:59pm
  SILVERTRUTH — I’d love to see you produce a top notch health care plan for a family of 5 for under $20,000…please, post the link…oh you can’t because such a plan does not exist. Go back to hugging your guns…
  
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- Fearnone
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 7:41pm
  Bennyflunkin, my top-notch plan where I work costs me $4618.56 a year. Now go back to hugging your Obama phone.
  
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- YOURSENSEI
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 7:52pm
  Mr or M FEARNONE:
  
  This is what you must know:
  
  First you need to understand the question. Then you can offer an opinion. Not the other way around.
  
  It is so.
  
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- tgentry0419
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 9:07pm
  Benny…I have an HSA insurance plan for my family of 5 that costs me about $450 per month and has a $10,000 deductible. After I cross that threshold, everything is covered 100%. So, in a worst case scenario, I spend $15,400 in a calendar year. In a good year, my out of pocket could be much less. I ran numbers comparing this type of plan against a typical 80/20 plan and this is MUCH more economically advantageous.
  
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- Fearnone
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 9:39pm
  Yoursenseless,
  
  This is what you don’t know:
  
  A clue!
  
  So it is
  
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- Fearnone
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 9:46pm
  Yoursensless
  
  This is what you don’t know:
  
  A clue!
  
  So it is
  
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- Ana123
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:38pm
  Benny,
  You think you can’t get good health insurance for a family of five for under 20,000? Well at 20,000 for 5 people, that is $4000. per person for health insurance. We are self-employed, so we shoulder the full cost of our health insurance. We pay 16,000. a year… for a family of SEVEN. That is 2300. per person, not Obama’s 4000. At $4000 per person, we would have to pay 28,000, not the 16,000 we pay now. Oh, and by the way… that price includes our dental insurance as well! I do not have 12,000. more to pay each year. It’s a struggle to pay the 16,000.
  
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- DAYWATCHER
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 11:45pm
  Hey, Silver… YOU GOT IT RIGHT…
  
  I screamed at the TV when the idiot DemonRats pushed O’care onto America and then I laughed at all the dumb a**s Insurance companies that supported it because even I knew that THEY SINGED THEIR ON DEATH WARRANTS…
  
  So, now that O was re-elected, I am disgusted with what America has become. I suppose, all these things must come to pass so that God’s will shall be done.
  
  But I will not go down with out a fight.
  
  I’m just saying…
  
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- mtcountrygrl
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 1:54am
  @Tgentry yup anyone with a brain has those types of plans. Because they are affordable and give you control of your health care decisions. That’s why Obama made those plans illegal when he passed Obamacare. Had to get rid of HSA plans because they work.
  
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South Philly Boy
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 6:36pm
Hey, What happened to that… NOT ONE THIN DIME?

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- ADNIL
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 7:07pm
  Silly rabbit! Not ONE thin dime, but many many many many many many many many……… ad infinitum.
  
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FANGS
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 6:32pm
Obamacare will have to be destroyed by Americans and ar-15′s.

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- oldguy49
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 6:44pm
  amen ….pass the ammo
  
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- Keatonc333
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 9:38pm
  big talk bud. try and back it up any you’ll be in gitmo by the end of the week.
  
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- liberal_equals_liar
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 9:53pm
  Keaton, what you say isn’t possible. Don’t you remember? Obama closed Gitmo.
  
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- Keatonc333
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 2:09am
  I wish he did. thats one of the things i don’t like about his administration. he was kind of screwed over on it though through congress.
  
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FANGS
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 6:30pm
Alot of Americans will be opening fire on alot of democrats.Wow, America is going to turn into one big blood bath. It’s amazing how stupid democrats are.

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- AvengerK
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 6:35pm
  And the Obamacare hits just keep on coming.
  
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- roscoe569
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 7:11pm
  It’s more amazing how stupid you are
  
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Serenabit
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 6:18pm
President Johnson’s expansion of “The New Deal” is an epic failure! Medicare and Medicaid have ensured that our seniors and indigent’s receive the bare minimum in care due to the governments insistence that doctors after giving up 4-8 years of their lives in medical school, incurring $250,000 of debt for the privilege of going to said medical school, and paying $100,000 per year to protect themselves from frivolous lawsuits brought on by dirt-bag attorneys, are then rewarded with having to give care at less than 50% of the fair market value for this class of people and 3 times the administrative costs to receive payment from the government. Then the icing on the cake is politicians are so partisan that they are willing to “double-down” on the mistake and create a national healthcare system to be equally incompetent for everyone.

God help us!

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- Fubared
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 6:23pm
  Well said all around-
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 6:34pm
  FURBARED….you know what’s coming next. When Obamacare collapses under it’s own weight (and it will) the liberals will do what they’ve always done..ignore the mess and say “we didnt’ do enough that’s why it didn’t work..it’s time for nationalized health”.
  
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- zombieocracy
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 7:09pm
  Yes, Obamacare will be the death knell of the US. And yes, doctors will suffer. But feel sorry for doctors? In Texas, it’s now impossible to sue them even for the clearest medical negligence, claiming this anti-lawsuit legislation would lower medical costs caused by lawyers. Not. If the legislation reduced med mal premiums, the docs sure as heck have not passed that along to the consumers. Just bought Bentleys instead of Porshes. And recall that the AMA got behind Obama on this one. You sold out, so don’t come around whining now.
  
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- truthnstuff
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 9:35pm
  Hey Zombie, no one is forcing you to use those doctors. If you are to stupid to do consumer research, don’t expect a payoff for stupidity.
  
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- liberal_equals_liar
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 9:58pm
  TruthNStuff, I wish your statement was true that you don’t get a payoff for stupidity. But apparently being the stupidest President ever won Obama a 2nd term.
  
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republic2011
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 6:13pm
and they start to nudge people to have less children, if any. The eugenicists get their population control for free. Oh, and how do you think families will think about grandma and grandpa? You will now be taxed for living. So, unless you are contributing, you are not worth paying for :-). Welcome to communism. It’s just like the East Germany I remember.

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- desertspeaks
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 9:49pm
  So, unless you are contributing, you are not worth paying for .. unless you are in a variable shade of brown, gay or muslim!
  Did anyone notice that muslims are EXCLUDED from participating in obamacare!!!!!!
  
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fastgen1
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 6:12pm
It will be interesting to see what will happen to the Congressmen when the common people finally figure it out. They better be buying there own AR.s, of course they already have the free hollow point bullets. It’s only to protect their familys you know….

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- slr4528
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 10:08pm
  I personally dream about a French Revolution type scenario for the US where the average middle class person marches on the capitol and gathers all of the congress people,lobbyists and political leaders and hold them accountable for government theft. Washington DC has become a political aristocracy accountable to no one. Everyone covers for everyone else.
  
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For my Liberty!
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 6:09pm
Americans are FED UP with Ovomit’s barely hidden redistribution of wealth agenda….and if ANYONE doubts that they want EVERYONE in ONE income bracket(Broke) RE-READ this part in their bill…”the excess income amount is ”

So now you get TAXED for “excess income”

I SO HOPE this breaks EVERY STINKING IDIOT that voted for this POS!

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- ledbythnose
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 8:14pm
  FML
  I agree . I hope the idiots who voted for this Criminal bask in glee as they go broke under the load of his illegal taxation. His Fema Camps will be bursting at the seams with their sorry arses. The new IRS Agents will visit them in the night and cart them off by the Hundreds for not paying for it. Their Children will be Wards of the State. Won’t that be grand? The rest of us will be left with the task of taking them on via the Second Amendment to save what is left of Freedom. Then will come the NEXT AMERICAN REVOLUTION.
  
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FaithfulFriend
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 6:06pm
Listen up people… This is exactly what I want to happen. I want all the crap morons who think they’re voting for something, for all their somethings to come back to them and cause them levels of complete pain which they never imagined.

Because that’s the only way to teach stupid.

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- For my Liberty!
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 6:13pm
  I agree!
  
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- fastgen1
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 6:15pm
  You can’t fix stupid…..hate to say it, buts that’s about 63%…..
  
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- mash4077
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 7:52pm
  unfortunately, we have to suffer too.
  
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RamonPreston
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 5:56pm
Yeah! But we got a free cell phone! The general public is so stupid.

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- SHIEKYERBOOTIE
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 3:23pm
  Read the fees on your cell phone bill. This is where the Barry-phone gets funded. I still highly object to it but it is a tax to use a phone. Like a tax on gasoline to drive a car. This govt. is so creepy anymore.
  
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- SHIEKYERBOOTIE
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 3:30pm
  Read the fees on your cell phone bill. This is where the Barry-Phone gets funded. It is a crime that they can get away with hiding a tax there.
  
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deerjerkydave
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 5:56pm
This is what they meant by calling it the “Affordable Care Act.”

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fastgen1
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 5:55pm
Whooooeeeee, wait until all of those white females and libs who voted for the anti-christ have to pay up. I guess they thought that if they voted for him they would not have to pay for themselves. Kinda like free phones and stuff. I still want to know how the ghetto queens are going to pay…….Going to be interesting, the IRS will be to busy jailing insurance bums to go after tax cheats….Whooooeeee

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MrKnowItAll
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 5:25pm
The I.R.S. will TAKE all you Own. Thus Back Door Communism. No one will own Anything.

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DoOrDie
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 5:24pm
Every Democrat and every Supreme Court Justice that voted to pass this POS needs to hang, or be beheaded. This is the most destructive, illegal law put onto American citizens. Do not forget that the lawmakers EXEMPTED themselves from this law. They should hang for that also.

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AUsername
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 5:23pm
Socialized Medicine in four years than, O Canada!

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Gaaaah
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 5:00pm
I predict the return of the travelling country doctor and black market prescriptions to fill the gigantic hole in medical care created by Obamacare. It would be a big step backward as far as the sciences are concerned. But the almighty dollar trumps all. Maybe I can trade chickens or mechanic work in exchange for some cure-all tonic and a house call. Now I’m curious if Naturopathy (??) is regulated by Obamacare.

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Just_Us2
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 4:57pm
Keep in mind, congress is exempt from this.

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- firman
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 4:58pm
  Thanks for the reminder. As if i wasn’t pissed enough already.
  
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- RamonPreston
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 6:00pm
  Conress exempts themselves from everything. Hilary knew that a new drug was going to be approved so she invested a few thousand dollars and made a killing. You would be in jail for insider information.
  
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firman
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 4:51pm
Most of the morons who voted for Obama won’t be affected. They already get free health insurance from “we the people”. Why the hell do I have to pay a penalty while they get free insurance on my dime! I am self employed and can’t afford health ins. right now. The doctors my wife works for pay ZERO towards her insurance. Only plan available is almost 800 a month. And thanks to our politicians, I can’t even buy catastrophic ins. across state lines ( I live in NY) I think this is gonna come to a head soon. That’s probly why people are reporting seeing military practice in urban areas, and why they want our guns. This is killing me not to be able to swear online.

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- Think_4_yourself
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 6:45pm
  I used to offer health care for my employees, when Obamacare came out, my rates jumped to $7,000 a month, up from $2,600 a month. I ended our company policy, it is cheaper to pay the fine for not providing insurance. I made sure to tell all of them why we no longer offer health insurance.
  
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- firman
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 8:21pm
  I don’t blame ya. It’s just not affordable.
  
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- firman
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 8:23pm
  Can’t say as I blame ya. It’s just not affordable. Glad you told your employees WHY.
  
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- Jwmajic
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 10:42pm
  affordable health care act. why is everything they name an oxymoron?
  
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ProudCapitalist
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 4:48pm
If the government says it will cost $20,000 it will likely cost between $40,000 and $200,000 in five years.

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riversong
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 3:53pm
don’t pay the fines, even when threatened with a court order and/or jail time!!

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- Bangstick
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 6:00pm
  They will take it from you before you ever see it through wage garnishing or they will just take it right out of you bank account.
  
  Don’t have a job? Don’t have an account? Then they’ll just come and take you. Dead or alive.
  
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- Tara1981
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 6:01am
  Exactly, Riversong, look all this talk about rising up, relax sit tight keep your powder dry, God is in complete control and all these folks who are able to work and won’t (stealing from the greatest nation in the universe) better hope that the Bible dosen’t mean what it says. I’ve read the back of the book, God’s people win and He is allowing this to complete his vengence. We win and their time is short…
  
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FiscalBill
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 3:51pm
So obviously choosing the penalty makes the most sense if you cant afford the plan. I dont get how this “fixes” anything except to pump more money via penalties to the federal government.

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- barber2
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 4:46pm
  Bill: Agree. The responsible ones will pay the fine and their money will be Obama ” redistributed.” The criminal element won’t pay the fine, wont’ be prosecuted and will still fill the ranks of the emergency rooms and the rest of us will pay for them…as we have been doing for years . Yes, us ” evil, rich who don’t pay their fair share ” have been paying the health costs of dead beats for years which is one of the BIG reasons hospitals/ health care is so outrageous….
  
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barber2
Posted on February 1, 2013 at 3:44pm
This is so ridiculous. Love the Democrats : like passing gun laws that criminals will ignore but will hurt law abiding citizens . Here the Democrats will “force” people or fine them to obey. Guess what, dopey Democrats : those people WON’T pay the fines ! Bottom line : unrest and economic collapse of the health market…just like the housing / bank industries. Surprised ? Actually, our Democrats can not be this stupid. They must be INTENTIONALLY trying to destroy our economy . Evil. Stupid. Criminal politicians .

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- pookieamos
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 5:29pm
  Barber2 , hasn’t that been evident for the last 4 years ? Of course the low information voters won’t give a damn, they’ll not be affected ! These people just keep up pushing and pushing and pushing …. To see how far they can …..push ?
  
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- Fay
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 1:11pm
  I’ve quit listening to the msm, it’s already been written in blood in another media. So far, of the 650+ Prophecies in that media, every one of them have come true. So, I just turn to it daily to see if another one has made it to the headlines yet. Yep, everything you are reading in the news media today was predicted over 2000 years ago, to the “T”! I can’t afford $20,000 a year as only make $22,000, so even if I wind up in jail, at least it will be “free” everything. Not so bad, come to think of it, and maybe might just find others who believe in Him more than those on the outside. What say ye’?
  
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- firman
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 8:04pm
  Barber2: Bingo! They ARE trying to destroy the economy on purpose. They know that the **** will hit the fan and that’s why they don’t want us armed with semi auto rifles. And if obamacare is so damn great, why don’t the politicians have to get it?
  
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