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Oregon Baker Faces State Investigation After Refusing to Make Same-Sex Couple’s Wedding Cake

Feb. 2, 2013 8:32pm Erica Ritz

Oregon Baker Faces State Investigation After Refusing to Make Cake for Same Sex Couples Wedding

(Photo: KATU)

An Oregon man may have broken the law and is facing a state investigation after refusing to bake a cake for a same-sex couple’s wedding, KATU reports.

KGW has details on the story:

It started on Jan. 17 when a mother and daughter showed up at Sweet Cakes by Melissa looking for the perfect wedding cake.

“My first question is what’s the wedding date,” said owner Aaron Klein. “My next question is bride and groom’s name … the girl giggled a little bit and said it’s two brides.”

Klein apologized to the women and told them he and his wife do not make cakes for same-sex marriages. Klein said the women were disgusted and walked out.

“I believe that marriage is a religious institution ordained by God,” said Klein. “A man should leave his mother and father and cling to his wife … that to me is the beginning of marriage.”

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“I’d rather have my kids see their dad stand up for what he believes in then to see him bow down because one person complained.”

One of the women filed a complaint on January 28– also saying Klein referred to them as “abominations unto the Lord”– and now the Oregon Attorney General’s civil enforcement officers are investigating the claim.

But Klein says he never used harsh language and has no problem with homosexuals; he just doesn’t want to be a part of their marriage.

“I honestly did not mean to hurt anybody, didn’t mean to make anybody upset, [it’s] just something I believe in very strongly,” he told KATU.

When asked whether he’d be willing to lose his business over the matter, Klein said: “If I have to be to, I guess, be penalized for my beliefs, then I guess, well, that’ll be what it is.”

The case now presents a unique legal dilemma, according to reports, since Oregon law forbids discrimination based on sexual orientation, and the U.S. Constitution protects Klein’s freedom of religion.

Klein has two weeks to file his official account what happened before the attorney general’s office decides how to proceed.

KATU has more on the story, including an interview with Klein:

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Comments (623)

John 1776
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:07pm
It’s a private business. He can serve who he wants. If they don’t like it they can use the baker down the street. Everyone has their rights. (I think….)

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- BryanB
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:31pm
  @John 1776
  
  You are absolutely correct on that, “It’s a private business”
  
  But the problem also is, homosexuals lie, they have a really bad habit of making up stories or exaggerating stories of discrimination and even hate crimes……….
- From Virginia
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:31pm
  There has been several of these cases across the country and every songle one of them lost to the gays. It will never be enough that they can take their business elsewhere because these people purposely seek out these people of conscience and they sue them.
  
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- taxpro4u03
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:36pm
  Yup — We, the People ‘discriminate’ on a daily basis choosing coke over pepsi purchased from any vendor that sells it — or whatever — it is a PRIVATE business, PRIVATE transactions (hale v henkel 201 US 43@89{1906} and their right to refuse service can be for any damn reason they see fit. it is only the GUBMINT, which is restricted by their OWN contract from discrimination. (i.e. schools can’t discriminate, by and large, since MOST are gubmint institutions to begin with – cept for the likes of “Sylvan”, etc) States are subsidiary corps of the Mother corp — . “could” also be a band-wagon copy-cat free advertising ploy to generate more bidness til they opt to shut the doors b4 retirement — pump out the profits — close shop. Open another one… Modus Operandi — seen how this administration does it with ‘green jobs’ etc., lately?? ;-) either way — good for him in standing for what he believes, and his RIGHT to refuse service — perhaps Glenn’s got a bead on a few lawyers –as opposed to attorneys — that’ll do the thing on contingency or pro bono should it even GET that far b4 they ‘settle.’ ACLU has theirs — ‘we’ have OURS… It’s natural law — yin/yang day/night etc… Taoism t’ain’t so bad — in moderation.
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:55pm
  Hi BryanB,
  
  I had that happen 4 nights ago at work. Good thing the call was recorded. Keep on telling me I had to fix his Internet connection (at 3am) so he could get back online with his boyfriend. His ISP was doing maintenance and had shut him down from 2am to 6am. He reported me and the recording saved my brand new part time job.
  
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- brother_ed
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 10:02pm
  @BRYANB
  
  It makes me wonder if there is an ulterior motive here.
  
  Is this the only baker in town?
  
  Did they purposely go to the baker with crosses hanging on the wall? (see photo)
  
  It may be that this guy was targeted…
  
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- freeberty
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 10:07pm
  I really don’t think we’re getting the whole story. The dude has an earring, and douche tag, is a male baker and works at a place called Sweet Cakes. Seems there is some cattiness going on between the homosexual and lesbians. either that or this guy is putting on the biggest front since Marcus Bachmann.
  
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- football lady
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 10:08pm
  This was probably a setup.
  
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- OBAMANATIONOFDESOLATION
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 10:13pm
  If you don’t “validate” their immoral choice, then you are a “hater” and should be punished with the full force of the legal system. Expect to see, and experience, more of this as society degenerates further. The moral standard for America is “do what you want”, which coincidently is the Satanist standard, “Do what thou wilt”. Is it any wonder why good is evil and evil is good.
  
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- JohnofOregon
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 10:14pm
  In Oregon it doesn’t matter if it is a private business. Half of the ag’s office is lesbians. They do what they want. The MO in academic like this is to break the business owner by running up attorney fees. They get to use state money to harass people.
  
  A few years back one of the lesbian ag’s got busted using state resources and investegators to go after the woman who stole her woman. Apparently these are very angry people. Imagine if she had left her for a guy. What they want in this state is for people to renounce God. I am not kidding, that has got some out of trouble.
  
  Portland is referred to berkeley north. Oregon is not like this. Just Portland and Corvallis, the home of obama’s brother in law.
  
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- Mr.buff1959
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 10:28pm
  I wonder if the Blaze will ever start co minting on stuff that has a real impact on a town. IE> A ADA, in Texas was gunned down this week , But from the Blaze , not a peep.
  
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- Centurian
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 10:40pm
  MRBUFF,
  
  Are you really serious? These news event DO impact towns, cities, and states. Apparently you must be living in a shell somewhere…
  
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- RabidPatriot
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 11:52pm
  He didn’t bake a cake because he doesn’t agree with the homosexuals beliefs (high crime in Oregon). The government will try to ruin his life because they don’t agree with his beliefs (a great thing in Oregon). The irony is mind numbing. I guess if NAMBLA wanted a “child love” celebration cake he would be forced to bake it in Oregon.
  
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- Chuck Stein
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 11:55pm
  Oregon wants this paraphrase of an old saying: “I knew you were sodomites, but I baked you a cake!”
  
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- cemerius
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 12:59am
  He didn’t build that business, Look at all the rules regulations and health code hurdles he has to go through all compliments of the benevolent government. With this kind of story, I am now going to go to eat with just some shorts on and sue them for kicking me out regardless of the sign “no shoes no shirt no service”. What do these small business owners think that they are actually “owners”? ha ha ha
  
  For THOSE that fail to see my sarcasm here you are lost causes :)
  
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- SUNTZU
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 1:03am
  If id noed you were commen
  id,a baked a cake.
  
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- Independent4233
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 1:14am
  “I honestly did not mean to hurt anybody, didn’t mean to make anybody upset, [it’s] just something I believe in very strongly,” he told KATU.
  
  Well, I’m afraid I’m not that caring.
  
  If it were up to me, I’d tell them to go see a shrink and try to get cured.
  
  And I’d make it a point to tell them that it has nothing to do with religion.
  
  Revulsion to sexual perversions, whether it is homosexuality or bestiality, is an embeded trait instilled in every human’s psyche in order to assure that the species has the natural instinct to perpetuate the species, which is an instinct almost as strong as the instinct to survive.
  
  Why those fools think they can legislate feelings of disgust might prove to be a far bigger problem for them than they realized at the time.
  
  What started out with me as a feeling of neutrality about homosexuals has grown to be an intense hatred of these sick in-you-face perverts.
  
  They’re disgusting.
  
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- JohnofOregon
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 1:32am
  rabidpatriot,
  
  oregon is home to niel goldschmidt self confessed childmolester and general perv. Jimmy carter brought him into his cabinent even though cops told the fbi this guy was bad news. niel makes money rain on dems and has controled the governors and ag’s in this state since 1988. at times he even controls the chairman of the republican party. with the exception of chris dudley, every republican gubinitorial candidate winds up in his office and takes money.
  
  he is the oregon hing pin for soros. he and his wife control the public pensions and the general media cower when he comes into a room or just worship him without end.
  
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- Kaoscontrol
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 1:43am
  “Our specialty for gay couples: Fruit cake.”
  
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- LogCabinRepublican
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 3:17am
  I am gay and I’m on the business owners side – if he strongly believes in something he shouldn’t be forced to do it by the state or federal government.
  
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- molonlabe88
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 3:29am
  The same could be said during the Civil Rights era right? Places were not serving to blacks, Supreme Court said you could not do that. Commerce Clause (affects interstate commerce) the same could be said here. However, the difference I see is that there was a federal law saying no discrimination about race. So ultimately it would come down to how much privilege SCOTUS would give to the 1st amendment. You can’t discriminate against women (but the bible does,women are servient, must cover heads etc…) So it would be a battle. However, private business should be able to live by the sword and die by the sword. If he doesn’t want to serve someone, so be it. Then that party can not visit and if enough people are upset, that business will either change or go out of business. Thats the free market.
  
  Heart of Atlanta Motel Inc. v. United States, 379 U.S. 241 (1964)
  
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- DIR
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 3:58am
  @JOHN …
  
  Well I kinda agree, but to make a more lasting impression, plus it would have made a funnier story, if Aaron had prepared them a wedding fruit cake with extra nuts and fruit and a funky hard sauce to symbolize the extra nutty and beyond fruity event. Then he should have delivered it wearing one of those code pink outfits made famous during the last presidential campaign..
  
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- NoSleeper
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 6:03am
  Businesses apparently can no longer “reserve the right to refuse service to anyone”. The laws prohibiting the Government and Government-funded institutions from discrimination have been misapplied to private businesses and individuals. The erosion of your personal rights and individual liberty continues; we are assaulted on all fronts and, frankly, are losing the battles.
  
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- Baerlin
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 7:21am
  Hey Molonlabe – Homosexuality is not a civil rgihts issue. it is a choice. Blacks don’t choose to be born black. They are persecuted for something they can’t change.
  
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- piper60
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 7:28am
  Appearently, everybody has their rights Except Christians. Homosexuals do exaggerate their grievances. Constantly. That, and this took place in Oregon. Liberal central.
  
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- crackerone
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 7:39am
  With the threat of I’ll sue you, I’d bake them their cake. Heck they might even like the special sauce in the icing.
  
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- GUYFROMMAINE
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 8:14am
  @Molonlabe88
  Stop twisting the Bible. Women are no more “discriminated” against by God then men are. Fact is, God doesn’t “discriminate,” He sets up the rules. Interesting how you conenviently left out that men are to love their wives as Christ loves the church. Now how did He do that? By giving everything for it in and because of real, true love. I know that doesn’t fit your narrative of God and men hating women and wanting to enslave them, but stop with the lies.
  
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- Derek01
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 8:26am
  Sometimes you get a feeling that some people are going to be more trouble than they are worth. He did the right thing. They are obviously more interested in being @$$holes than getting a cake.
  
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- jwpowers41
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 8:33am
  You are right another thing where the government oversteps it’s power is telling the owner of a (PRIVATE BUSINESS) no smoking……..I am not a smoker but the government should **** out.
  and the department of agriculture **** out of school lunches it’s none of you effing business
  
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- turkey13
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 8:45am
  What was this guy thinking – didn’t he get the word that Obama, by executive order has cancelled the First Ammendment! He is now working on the 2ND. This is a good racket to get rich. There are males and females claiming they are Q_ueer and then swoop down on people like the Baker and by our wanting to be politically correct get rich.
  
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- Quiata
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 9:10am
  The Oregon statute (659A.400 regarding public accommodation) conflicts with Mr. Klein’s Constitutional rights and the free exercise of his religion.
  
  QUESTION: With all the other available bakeries (and independent bakers) out there, why would these ladies WANT someone who is opposed to their choice of lifestyle to bake their special cake? Why wouldn’t they seek out a sympathetic homosexual/lesbian bakery to give their money to, in order to cater to their needs?
  
  Answer: They COULD help grow the “alternative lifestyle” wedding industry by voting with their dollars, but like typical liberals, they’ve instead decided to force the issue (and their views) and make a federal case out of this.
  
  Given the current trajectory, it’s only a matter of time before *any* opposition to the homosexual agenda (explicit or implied) becomes a criminal offense. Just watch.
  
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- horseman43
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 9:11am
  I think we’e going to be seeing some pretty serious clashes between Muslims and homosexuals in those states like Oregon that have declared a mental aberration protection under civil rights laws.
  
  It’s silly really. The governmen has no business getting involved in what people like or don’t like, yet these radical leftist politicians continue to try to legislate feelings.
  
  In every nation throughout history whenever diversity has been imposed on the citizenry and/or laws were made to force them to accept things they are vehemently against it has ALWAYS resulted in some pretty violent slaughters of the elites, as, for example, the French revolution. The guilliontine kept the streets running red with the blood of the ruling class night and day for quite a long time.
  
  Recently, it was the Balkans that cast aside dictates that mandated that citizens share space with people who have been their enemies for centuries, and civil war was rampant. It’s quiet now, but it won’t stay that way until they separate fighting factions who prefer to live among their own.
  
  Whether it’s different cultures, ethncities, homosexuality or whatever, government can make laws to intimidate the public into backing off for awhile, but the tactic doesn’t last for very long. The first time there is a crack in authority or in the authority’s economy the fighting erupts into vicious bloodletting. The same thing will happen here and in Europe.
  
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- Quiata
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 9:24am
  @LOGCABIN “…if he strongly believes in something he shouldn’t be forced to do it by the state or federal government”
  
  Agreed!
  
  By definition, if we’re FORCED (by harassment, fear, or intimidation) to do something that contradicts our deeply held values and beliefs, then we are not a FREE people. These lesbians should be aware that their actions are now violating someone else’s freedom of choice (*and association*), and THAT makes them little totalitarian hypocrites. That sword cuts both ways, girls.
  
  Wake up, people, wake up!
  
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- boomboom
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 10:15am
  @JOHN1776 : We all have rights…..Ha hahahaha….siriously (sp), here in O’Barry’s world?
  
  What this baker MiGHt pass along to the candlestick maker is…………
  
  Sabotage…………………………ooops, REally didn’t mean to spill that bottle of pepper sauce in the cake batter.
  Soooo sorry that your morning movement reminded you of
  my mistake for a week and a half,
  Mr and Mr. Thing.
  
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- boomboom
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 10:17am
  @JOHN176 again…Think about it…..Two lesbians who go to a GuY to make their wedding cake?
  
  Cut me a break, ladies.
  
  Like they didn’t know fifty other left-leaning lesbians who had their own shops.
  
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- jakartaman
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 10:28am
  Get use to this government intrusion – Look at the dopes in NYC w/Blommberg.
  We have become European Nanny state.
  No personal responsibility anymore – God help us.
  
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- jblaze
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 10:46am
  MOLONLABE88
  “You can’t discriminate against women (but the bible does,women are servient, must cover heads etc…) ”
  
  Provide scripture please to back up your statement, otherwise your comment holds no merit.
  
  It is brash unfounded statements like yours that turns the uneducated and lost against God and you will have to answer for your part in that.
  
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- Thatsitivehadenough
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 10:47am
  Good for him. I Hope he holds his position on this. He’s within his rights.
  
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- Dustoff
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 10:52am
  O-give me a break, they can’t find a (, homosexua ) bakery.
  
  I’m calling BS on this one.
  
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- WhiteFang
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 10:56am
  A business should be able to conduct his or her business as they see fit, and without someone else dictating their policies or forcing them to produce a product they do not want to produce.
  
  But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. (2 Timothy 3:1)
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 11:05am
  I believe marriage is a holy institution ordained by God.
  
  Wrong. God does not exist.
  
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- missdagnytaggart
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 11:06am
  Good for him!
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 11:15am
  @RABID PATRIOT – it’s not the government that will try to make his life a living hell; its the public who despises bigots that will
  
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- ConservativeWithABrain
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 11:30am
  In Oregon, homosexuals are a protected class. The baker is legally in the wrong. Don’t like the business climate in which you are operating? Don’t open a business there.
  
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- PubliusPencilman
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 11:36am
  Let’s not be stupid here. Nobody is asking this guy to “validate” anything. They’re asking him to bake a cake, which is his job. They are not asking him to approve of their lifestyle or what they chose to do in their own bedroom. His job is to bake a cake, and his clients’ personal lives are none of his business.
  
  When he bakes a cake for a heterosexual marriage, do you think his asks the bride and groom to confirm that they’ve never cheated on each other, just so he is not “approving” of adultery?
  
  If he bakes a cake for a heterosexual couple who may have been involved in domestic violence in the past, is he “approving” of spousal abuse?
  
  Do you think he refuses to bake cakes for Jewish and Muslim couples, but that would be “validating” anti-Christian beliefs?
  
  Really, baking a cake for a wedding doesn’t mean you are “validating” anything. Clergy members of all faiths have the right to not perform any ceremony they object to–that’s their right in the practice of their religion. But really, tell me exactly what religion has to do with baking a cake.
  
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- Ollie123
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 11:52am
  I use to live in Oregon, if I was still there this man would get all my business for birthdays, special occasions and weddings, and in no way would I want two sodomites depicted on my cakes
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 11:54am
  BRYANB – I dare you to “come out” and see how horrible your life becomes. Bigots like you have so much blood on your hands, and you dare say you are doing the work of a non-existant deity and therefore you are entirely justified. I can deal with stupid people, but opinionated loudmouths who can’t do the actual work of thinking their position through dive me up a wall…
  
  Just because we are a democracy doesn’t mean you’re superstitious nonsense is as equally valid as my facts
  
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- JeffMT
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 11:59am
  The 1-5 corridor of Oregon, from Portland to Salem to Eugene/Springfield, is full of this kind of liberal behavior. Eastern Oregon, east of the Cascade mountain range, is much different. I lived there, unfortunately, for about 10 years and still remember the ‘One Oregon’ ad campaign the state ran trying to convince people they all lived in the same state.
  
  The divisiveness of the ‘two Oregons’ has been reflected for years in the Oregon legislature – west vs. east. The west always wins because there are far more people along the I-5 corridor than the rest of the state so if you don’t like what is going on there, you have to get out altogether.
  
  Moving to eastern Oregon is an alternative to avoid the left wing agenda of the city and county ordinances but you will still deal with the state laws. I would recommend this guy go straight down I-84 from Gresham to the Boise-Nampa Idaho area – it is growing rapidly, has been for years, and he would be welcome there.
  
  There is no point trying to be a conservative in Oregon, that state is lost. It is ‘California North’ and the Portland area is ‘San Francisco North’, or ‘Seattle South’, depending on which direction you look.
  
  In any case, the left wing libs have taken control of that place so the best thing to do is just get out and stay out. Oregon, like California, is broke and has no realistic way out so when California goes under financially, watch for Oregon to follow – they are in the same boat.
  
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- DADDYWOREAWHITEHAT
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 12:21pm
  @homecreator hit the nail on the head. This case is way different from the other examples of non-discrimination. A wedding cake is a very personal product & the baker has to bring & put together the cake at your wedding as well as set up the display. His creation is then photographed as part of the wedding album for eternity. The baker has to be an integral part of your wedding and unlike refusing to let a gay person buy a cupcake & leave with it, a wedding cake is very different in that it requires you personally participate in the event. Unless Oregon really bends the constitution on this one you cannot force someone to participate in an event against their religious beliefs.
  
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- mattmo79
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 12:33pm
  He should take note from The Help and use some of the ingredients in the chocolate pie!
  
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- Look4DBigPicture
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 1:36pm
  I’m tired of gays and all other radical special interest groups forcing themselves on private citizens. It’s this kind of obnoxious behavior that makes people want to dig in their heels and deny them service.
  
  We all have preferences of who and where we want to take our business. Instead of acting like a Diva, she should have simply said to herself ‘this isn’t a good match’ and gone on down the road to the next bakery. Now her focus is no longer on her wedding, but on revenge instead. How foolish!
  
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- JohnG in PC
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 1:41pm
  Unfortunately, its not a “private business”. With the help of Washington that concept if fast disappearing. As a business involved in “public commerce” this gentleman is subject to all of the rules and regulations the state wishes to impose on him, including the apparent rule that he does nothing to discrimate against a homosexual. For future reference it might behoove us to not raise this issue, but simply allow our personal feelings to block out some of our common sense. For example, had he accepted the order and gotten befuddled while mixing the ingredients, resulting in a horrible tasting cake, he certainly can’t be accused of practicing discrimination, simply poor baking when forced to bake for something he has a fundimental disagreement with.
  
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- PubliusPencilman
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 2:12pm
  “I’m tired of gays and all other radical special interest groups forcing themselves on private citizens.”
  
  Oh… boohoo. Now, how many gays have forced themselves on you? Let’s take stock. This incident in Oregon has nothing to do with you. You never would have heard about it and it never would have impacted your life if The Blaze hadn’t decided to seek it out (in its constant mission to find things to enrage its readership). Not only did you click on the link (which no one forced you to do), but you apparently read the story and even commented on it! No one forced you to do any of this, but you intentionally decided you wanted to read about this specific legal conflict.
  
  No one is forcing you to do anything. You are the one seeking out reasons to pretend you are being victimized. Boo…hoo…
  
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- PubliusPencilman
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 2:17pm
  “In Oregon, homosexuals are a protected class.”
  
  You seem to forget, smart guy, that we are all part of a “protected class.” We are all protected by our civil rights against discrimination. By allowing him to say that he refuses to make a cake for a gay couple, you would be effectively making it legal for him to say he won’t make a cake for a black or interracial couple.
  
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- tonykeywest55
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 3:23pm
  this is why I believe america is headed for civil war. Homosexuality is a CONDUCT and a conduct does not belong on a list of groups not to be discriminated againts. And he needs to stand up and not apoligise for his beliefs. It IS an abomination ang GOD abhors those who practice it.
  
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- tonykeywest55
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 3:27pm
  bake the cake and take a crap in it.
  
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- PubliusPencilman
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 3:35pm
  TonyKeyWest,
  
  “Homosexuality is a CONDUCT and a conduct does not belong on a list of groups not to be discriminated againts.”
  
  First of all, you are wrong. Bu anyway, if we accept your premise, then we can also say that being Christian, Jewish or Muslim is also a “CONDUCT.” After all, you chose your religion, and you can stop being Christian/Jewish/Muslim at any time, right? Therefore, according to your criteria, none of these groups deserve protection against discrimination.
  
  But of course, that’s not how it works. You have no idea what you are talking about.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 3:38pm
  The Bigot was in violation of the State’s anti-doscrimination laws, namely the Public Accomdation law.
  
  Christians are providing example after example that their religion is one of hate and exclusion and the very reason why the founders created a secular republic.
  
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- PATTY HENRY
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 4:16pm
  Bryan: They also make up graffiti attacks…how many time have we seen them ‘admit’ later that they’d done the deed themselves.
  
  THIS HAS TO STOP. PEOPLE have to have to right to serve which ever clients/customers/public they want to. I wouldn’t make a cake for gay marriage. I’d bake a cake for their birthday; for their promotion; for their UNION maybe…but I resent the hell out of their using our word Marriage in their attempt to belong to what they think is normal… Nothing about what they do is normal. They can have all the freedom they want, but they want to deny others our freedom. THIS B.S. about GOBMENT investigation is way too Facists crappy for me. PS GAYS: You are not helping anyone want to support your cause when you do crap like this. LEAVE the people who do NOT approve of you alone. Support those who do. Your silly, oppressive, outrageous actions is only building up resentment. IF I lived near this guy, I’d have him bake me a cake and whatever else I could buy from him to support him.
  PS His shop is opened to all people regardless of race, orientation…it’s just that these women asked him to create a cake that was no different than a porn symbol to him. He doesn’t have to do that. They can buy a cake, write their own stuff on it, but HE does not have to create anything for them.
  
  STOP THIS NONSENSE NOW or wish you had!! PS: Pathetic: Don’t question GOD unless you have the brains of GOD. JOB? U have a lot of studying
  
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- YellowFin
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 4:41pm
  A sign posted on the front door:
  
  This business is privately owned and operated to provide certain products to customers who appreciate our product as it is produced. We cannot satisfy all manner of requests from every individual. We also reserve the right to refuse service to anyone at any time and for any reason. If we cannot satisfy your request for a certain product or service, then there are many other business’s that will be more than happy to do so. Unruly, or argumentative persons will not be served, and they are free to go elsewhere. For security reasons, to prevent entry, our doors may be locked at any time, night or day.
  
  We are an “at will” employer, and no one is forced to work here if they find it in any way objectionable, and we can and will terminate any employee as we wish for any reason.
  We pay an hourly wage to our employees. No other benefits are provided or implied.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 4:59pm
  @Yellow Fin
  A sign posted on a door doesn’t trump the laws of the State of Oregon. State law is clear and the the bigotry is not protected. At will shops can fire or fire for nearly any reason, unless that reason is prohibited. Can not fire becasue of race, creed, sex, etc.
  
  I hope the state shuts down the bigotry bakery.
  
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- lovemuffin
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 5:03pm
  exactly…why don’ they go to a GAY BAKER
  
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- lovemuffin
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 5:08pm
  Obama and the other ******** are slowly taking away our individual rights and freedoms of religion and speech. Socialist country coming down for America. America will no longer be the home of the free
  
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- PubliusPencilman
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 6:11pm
  LoveMuffin,
  
  “Obama and the other ******** are slowly taking away our individual rights and freedoms of religion and speech.”
  
  Ha! I’m sure people said the same when the government told them they had to serve black customers as well as whites.
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 7:37pm
  TONYKEYWEST55 – I sincerely hope your kind starts a civil war over gay marriage. It would be great to get rid of you backward clowns – national IQ would go up, we could clear some useless people off the welfare rolls, would be less of an embarrassment on our society. I’d really look forward to that.
  
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- Quiata
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 7:38pm
  @PUBLIUS “I hope the state shuts down the bigotry bakery”
  
  Um, you might be a little careful with that sentiment: increasing the government’s power to do something like that WILL come back and bite you in the ****, particularly when some other administration is at the helm (esp. one that you disagree with). Once the government apparatus is established, it never goes away; it’s simply used for whatever is politically fashionable at the time.
  
  Don’t you think that these “alternative lifestyle” individuals would better serve themselves by voting with their dollars and growing their own wedding industry there in Oregon? Isn’t your freedom of speech, exercise of your religion, and freedom of association of any value?
  
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- mary1lou
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 9:47pm
  Totally agree with your comment and Bryanb. For them to investigate this will take tax payers dollars plus take them away from investigating more important things. And if is should go to court, unfortunately the business probably cannot afford to hire an attorney and will probably have to close. Not fair to the owners of Sweet Cakes by Melissa. Being in the food industry is a very hard job and you work very hard to make a dollar. I do hope it does not go this far.
  
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- LookTowardsTheLight
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 11:05pm
  @encinom
  
  “We refuse the right to refuse service”
  
  Remember those signs in restaurant windows? Notice the keyword “right” you dumb __CK?
  
  Boy, do you need a slap in the face. I see no bigot. I see an American standing up for his right to choose whom to serve and whom not to serve based on his belief system. I’m sure The Gay can find another bakery to do there bidding. Come on, bakeries are a dime a dozen. Get over it and move on.
  
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- ERP
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 11:10pm
  encinom
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 4:59pm
  
  @Yellow Fin
  A sign posted on a door doesn’t trump the laws of the State of Oregon. State law is clear and the the bigotry is not protected. At will shops can fire or fire for nearly any reason, unless that reason is prohibited. Can not fire becasue of race, creed, sex, etc.
  
  I hope the state shuts down the bigotry bakery.
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  “Can not fire because of race, creed, sex, etc.” Hmm, he’s not refusing service because of skin color, nor ethnic background, nor gender…. So I guess he’s anti – etc
  
  I for one will be happy to send money to this patriot for his legal defense fund.
  
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- Pigpen
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 11:15pm
  Uh, no, JOHN 1776, He can NOT “serve who he wants.” By the interpretation of the Interstate Commerce Clause, the Supreme Court has ruled that the government can, will, and MUST prosecute “Sweet Cakes” for failing to serve the lesbians a freako wedding cake! He can NOT discriminate between what customers he will serve and what customers he will not serve based upon race, creed, or sexual orientation. Why do you keep believing that you have the right to serve whoever you want in your small business? This man doesn’t anymore have the right to refuse the lawnmowers a wedding cake than the southern businesses had of refusing to serve burgers to blacks. Did you really think the “racists” such as myself were just ignorant-out-of-touch-hicks when we WARNED YOU that this would happen if the so-called “civil rights” movement was not put into check and was allowed to continue to balloon like this? WAKE UP! You will feel MUCH BETTER about yourself, WHiT3Y, if you join us race-conscious whites on VDARE.com
  
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- wowjustwow
  Posted on February 4, 2013 at 12:15am
  Bryan, are you actually a cop (per your photo). If so, have you not run across heterosexuals who lie?! What an absurd thing to say. Lots of people lie. I would have to say that if you perceive homosexuals are “bigger” liars than your average citizen, you must be spending a LOT of time with them. Hmmm…
  
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- Quiata
  Posted on February 4, 2013 at 6:05am
  So someone should be able to walk into a Jewish deli and FORCE that Jewish deli owner to serve them a HAM sandwich?
  
  And now the government should put its full weight behind the ham-eater and compel all Jewish deli owners to comply with “ham on demand???
  
  To some it’s only a piece of pork, but to others it’s a moral standard.
  
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- Wolf
  Posted on February 4, 2013 at 6:21am
  Stores used to have signs on the doors stating, ‘We have the right to refuse service to anyone we choose”. Then ‘affirmative action’ got involved and another nail was put in Freedom’s coffin. Now all the gays want someone to pay for their lifestyle and are sue-crazy
  
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- PatriotSunDevil
  Posted on February 4, 2013 at 8:08am
  Wow, we sure do live in a free country. Christians are not allowed to stand up for their beliefs and dykes sue because they know they can win. We are in trouble.
  
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- CABERNETQHS
  Posted on February 4, 2013 at 9:35am
  where’s the web site to contribute to his defense fund? I’m in.
  
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- morpherson
  Posted on February 4, 2013 at 9:54am
  It is a private business. But he cannot choose to not serve blacks or whites or Mormons or Catholics. He broke the law as written and I say good for him. The sexual orientation part of the Reg B laws need to be challenged and the article correctly points out this is a Freedom of Religion versus the states version of Reg B (non-discrimination.) What is interesting about this business is a wedding cake is a very integral and intimate part of the wedding experience. Weddings in genenral are viewed as religious. One that I’m sure the baker feels part of. Now he could choose to do a piss poor job and ruin his reputation or not do it. It should be obvious to the couple that the baker wouldn’t really be into it so why force the issue. And that is where the crux of the matter relys. Anyone who has a differing opinion on marriage is evil and should be forced to change their opinion (re-education?)They should be forced to participate in the making of the sacrament that usually is represented by the cake in a wedding. People may think that I am reading too much into this, but the next step is to force ministers to do the actual ceremony. For those that view homosexuals as an abomination, nothing but forced sodomy. Change your beliefs, your history and culture or else. Welcome to the end game.
  
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- searcher619
  Posted on February 4, 2013 at 9:59am
  freeberty:
  
  “I really don’t think we’re getting the whole story. The dude has an earring, and douche tag, is a male baker and works at a place called Sweet Cakes. Seems there is some cattiness going on between the homosexual and lesbians. either that or this guy is putting on the biggest front since Marcus Bachmann.”
  
  Ok this comment right here tells us you are a moron. The story is lesbians are upset because a baker refused to make their cake. Then law enforcement, instead of informing the two ignorant lesbians that the business was WELL within their right to refuse them service, they investigate the business. That’s ALL this is about. Your trying to claim the man is homosexual just based on where he works and the decor of the bakery is pretty stupid and makes me wonder about your own sexual orientation.
  
  Thou doth protest too much…
  
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- searcher619
  Posted on February 4, 2013 at 10:27am
  molonlabe88:
  
  You haven’t a clue what the law says. Fact is ANY business can STILL deny you service based on your skin color, eye color, or heritage. It’s perfectly legal. No business can be forced by government to serve those they do not wish to serve. The GOVERNMENT can’t discriminate but private citizens most certainly can. That’s what civil rights was about. Institutionalized racism. The government can’t and should never be allowed to force PRIVATE citizens to serve people in their businesses they do not wish to serve. It’s still not against the law to hurt people’s feelings. It’s not even against the law to insult people in this country. Accept the reality and move along.
  
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- PubliusPencilman
  Posted on February 4, 2013 at 11:14am
  Quiata,
  
  “So someone should be able to walk into a Jewish deli and FORCE that Jewish deli owner to serve them a HAM sandwich? ”
  
  1) Just because it’s a Jewish deli, doesn’t mean they don’t have ham. Many delis are not fully Kosher, but rather are “kosher style.”
  2) If that deli sold a ham sandwich, then they would have to sell it to the customer. If they don’t, then they just don’t have that product. Your analogy is akin to someone going into a Taco Bell and demanding Chinese food. It’s not a matter of religious belief–it’s a matter of the products a particular business sells.
  3. In the case of the baker, it’s not the baker’s aversion to the product, it’s an aversion to the customer. I am sure that the baker has no religious objection to cakes; it’s the customer he is discriminating against. Therefore, again, your analogy makes no sense.
  
  For this baker, it isn’t that he doesn’t have or sell the product–it’s that he is refusing to. So, maybe you should try to rethink that analogy.
  
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- glckgrl
  Posted on February 4, 2013 at 12:04pm
  Ideally, yes I agree. However, I fear the Regime will de-legitamize the baker’s freedom of religion in favor of the complainer, who should just focus on her wedding already and let him be… But of course I agree with you totally; sadly I have lost confidence in our government to do the right thing when it comes to honoring Christians the God-given and constiutional right to freely practice our religion… just look at Hobby Lobby and others like it.
  
  For all the leftist crapola about blaming Bush for everything, he pulled our nation together at 911. Sadly this nation feels more divided to me, than even the black/white school riots when I was in grade school in the late 1960′s.
  
  May God bless America, so it ceases leaning toward Amerika with the double headed eagle.
  
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- G-WHIZ
  Posted on February 4, 2013 at 12:22pm
  The DEMO-****-PROGS can just walk to the next!!
  
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- PubliusPencilman
  Posted on February 4, 2013 at 12:24pm
  Searcher,
  ” Fact is ANY business can STILL deny you service based on your skin color, eye color, or heritage.”
  
  No. You have no idea what you are talking about.
  The Civil Rights Act of 1964 guarantees:
  “full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin.”
  
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- Quiata
  Posted on February 4, 2013 at 12:38pm
  @PUBLIUS The analogy is correct, Monsieur Publius. A person who provides a service or product is being coerced into an exchange that he/she is morally against.
  
  Would it be a more clear-cut analogy for you if the would-be customer walked into a Muslim halal butcher and demanded a pork roast?
  
  It’s easy to attack Christians because that’s fashionable these days. Christians generally won’t send a team of lawyers after you for harassment, unlike other religions which have a more orchestrated and seasoned defense system. Christians ought to defend their views more aggressively so this kind of garbage comes to a halt.
  
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- Quiata
  Posted on February 4, 2013 at 12:48pm
  Oh yeah, PUBLIUS, did you miss the bit about it being a made-to-order “wedding” cake? These things don’t just stock themselves on the shelves: they are meticulously crafted to specifications of the buyer. The baker is not refusing to sell a product he already has, he is refusing to make something that does not yet exist for a ceremony he considers immoral.
  
  Not everyone is on board with homosexual “weddings”, and in some sectors it’s actually considered a sin. THAT is why a Christian baker can refuse to provide a CUSTOM MADE product. It’s his financial and moral decision to make.
  
  And why would you want a cake from someone you were coercing? That’s just bad mojo on the “wedding” anyway.
  
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- BobM
  Posted on February 4, 2013 at 1:03pm
  Make the cake taste/smell like “poisson”. With clam flavored icing.
  
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- PubliusPencilman
  Posted on February 4, 2013 at 1:21pm
  “Would it be a more clear-cut analogy for you if the would-be customer walked into a Muslim halal butcher and demanded a pork roast? ”
  
  No, that makes the same mistake that your previous analogy made. This just isn’t getting through to you, is it? If they don’t sell pork roasts, then the demands don’t matter at all. A more accurate analogy would be if a Muslim walked into a butcher and ordered a steak, and the butcher refused to serve the customer because the customer was Muslim. In that case, the butcher doesn’t object to the product, but the customer. Get it?
  
  Regardless of whether its a custom cake or a cake already in the fridge, it’s a service he offers to the public and he cannot discriminate.
  
  But since you like analogies, how about the one I have already offered:
  Do you think this guy refuses to provide cakes for Jewish couples because those couples don’t believe in Christ? Do you think that if he does provides the cake, that it means he is denying Christ?
  
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- athynz
  Posted on February 4, 2013 at 2:01pm
  Whatever happened to a customer making a choice with his or her wallet? While I can’t say I agree with his views I do however respect his right to his opinions and his right to serve who he chooses to. If the women wanted a cake that badly there are other bakers around. If I’m refused service because I’m hetero then I’ll carry my business and my money elsewhere.
  
  And let me address this post by: “FREEBERTY
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 10:07pm
  I really don’t think we’re getting the whole story. The dude has an earring, and douche tag, is a male baker and works at a place called Sweet Cakes. Seems there is some cattiness going on between the homosexual and lesbians. either that or this guy is putting on the biggest front since Marcus Bachmann.”
  
  So what if the dude has an earring? So do I… and I’m not gay. And what is a douche tag? His chin ****? Okay he could be a douche. A male baker? Check out Cake Boss and Charm City Cakes – both male bakers and neither are homosexual. “Sweet Cakes” is an inventive if somewhat feminine name for a bakery but it works. And he refused to serve the women because he believes that marriage should be between a man and woman – does nto seem like there is an agenda there. Actually the more I read of your post the only one who has proven themselves to be a douchbage with an agenda is YOU FREEBERTY.
  
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- smv803
  Posted on February 4, 2013 at 4:39pm
  Who says the baker has to make a cake for everyone? I commend him for standing up for his principles. I hope he’s the owner or if not, that the owner stands behind him. We need more people like him.
  
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- ionamerica
  Posted on February 4, 2013 at 5:06pm
  It absolutely amazes me that an organ of the state is considering getting involved in such a petty detail. Surely the women can find another baker that isn’t worried about “supporting” homosexual marriage.
  
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- PureFox
  Posted on February 4, 2013 at 7:50pm
  Everyone needs to realize that if the law of the land stops you for expressing your beliefs (anything against the first amendment), it deserves to be broken.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on February 5, 2013 at 11:44am
  PureFox
  Posted on February 4, 2013 at 7:50pm
  Everyone needs to realize that if the law of the land stops you for expressing your beliefs (anything against the first amendment), it deserves to be broken.
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  Lets understand some basics, the baker as a person, his views are not being challeneged, what is being investigated is the business practices of the business itself, which appears to operate against the laws of the Oregon. A business does not have a religious faith. When bigotry is a part of a business’ business model it often runs afoul of Public Accomodation laws. Religion was used to justify denying mixed race marriages, if such a couple asked for a cake, would the Beckerheads still support this baker’s claim that his religion prevents him from accepting their business?
  
  This bake shop needs to either enter the 21st century or close.
  
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- gizmo01
  Posted on February 5, 2013 at 12:20pm
  Well, last I heard, this is still the USA. That dumb jerk in the WH needs to learn what is his business and what isn’t. THIS IS NONE OF HIS BUSINESS!!!
  
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- Quiata
  Posted on February 5, 2013 at 7:23pm
  So PUBLIUS, you’re totally okay with an independent business being FORCED (at the point of the proverbial pike) to make a custom wedding cake for an EVENT the owner considers really really really really really wrong and immoral? You’re okay with that? Force is okay? Fines and intimidation are alright with you? Forcing people to act against their own beliefs is okeeeee dokey? (As for the last question, of course that’s alright with you: you don’t respect other people’s beliefs and you think they SHOULD be coerced.)
  
  This is quite a bit different than civil rights: in that case LAWS (on the books) prevented an entire group of people from being able to fully engage in society. Those LAWS were wrong and immoral. This situation on the other hand is a single independent baker and his religious/personal moral convictions versus Oregon “law”.
  
  Imagine an obstetrician being FORCED to perform an abortion (…which is a legal procedure, as is baking cakes…). Let’s say that obstetrician’s personal moral compass/religion is against the procedure and he/she refuses to perform it. What then? Is the woman seeking the abortion somehow victimized? Explain how this is different, especially since many other bakers exist that would happily satisfy this woman’s needs by taking her money and baking her a cake decorated with two little lady cake toppers.
  
  (By the way, an exception to a rule does not disprove/invalidate that rule. That’s why it is called an “exception”.)
  
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- Quiata
  Posted on February 5, 2013 at 7:42pm
  PUBLIUS: As for your “refusing to sell a cake to a Jewish couple” analogy, let me ask you this (and I might need some help with this because I’m not Jewish, and judging from your question, neither are you). This is called “humoring you”, Publius:
  
  Wouldn’t a Jewish couple (especially an orthodox one) purchase a *kosher* wedding cake? Apparently, a kosher bakery’s goods require kashrus certification and must be produced under kosher supervision and endorsed by a kosher agency. It’s doubtful that your hypothetical analogy would even occur in reality. But even if it might happen, then the baker is too hard-core fundamentalist Christian for a Jewish couple to even consider purchasing ANY baked goods from, as it violates their own dietary laws and traditions. (Hint to the lesbians in this case: go to a bakery that meets your OWN moral standards). Got another good analogy Publius?
  
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- Quiata
  Posted on February 5, 2013 at 7:51pm
  Lastly, PUBLIUS, the baker is not refusing to sell a lesbian a cake; he is refusing to custom bake a cake for a lesbian WEDDING (an event).
  
  If a lesbian walked into his bakery and asked for a creme-filled long john and a couple of doughnuts, he wouldn’t have refused the purchase. What he IS objecting to is having to knowingly participate in and prepare product for an EVENT/ceremony considered morally wrong to him and his religion. There is a distinct difference there, big guy.
  
  Get it?
  
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- justsayin456
  Posted on February 13, 2013 at 10:23am
  Isn’t the issue whether he broke the law? Anyone take the time to look up what law that supposedly was? As a law student I assure you that the text of the statute is important. Give me the provision of the code that is alleged (in the suit) to have been violated and then we can have a real talk. Until then this is just more speculative drivel. Really it will be until the court renders a decision. We don’t do trial by newspaper in this country. It’s not rule of law, it’s rule of propaganda.
  
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- ihasa
  Posted on February 18, 2013 at 7:45am
  At first I agreed with you, but then I thought ‘what if the customer was refused because they were black’?
  
  But either way it seems a trivial case for a state investigation. The aggrieved couple should sue privately if they feel they have a case.
  
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Mapache
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:07pm
Why is that dressmakers seem to have more right to deny service than a baker? Perhaps the gay couple should look for a gay business to support.

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- Daggerandgun777
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 2:17am
  My grandfather is a business owner and we rarely ever refuse service to most anyone unless then are rude or are threatening, but if we should not want to service homosexuals, that is our choice, not the customers. Why is that such a big deal? We are a private firm, and can serve how and whom we like, and usually do not have a problem unless the customer is unruly, and then what right does he have to co in our business and be so ugly? It is sad this declension we are in. God help us all.
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 12:37pm
  So this guy denies a nice piece of business, and by doing so people in the market choose to not do business with him because they prefer to not do business with bigots. Somehow this all gets back to kenyan marxism. Am I missing something?
  
  FYI – anyone who supports this person (and there aren’t enough of you to keep him in business) has to be honest enough to admit he’s fighting a losing battle and his business, like your cause, is going to be classified in history the same way as slavery and racism. The world is passing you by…
  
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- encinom
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 3:49pm
  The Baker is Bigot hiding behind the bible and in violation of the law. He is a business man he should read the State’s public accomdation law.
  
  Mil Dot is little child acting out to get attention.
  
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- Quiata
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 7:44pm
  @”FREEDOMLOVER_US” A most ironic moniker, by the way, judging from your multiple posts.
  Anyway: “…he’s fighting a losing battle and his business, like your cause, is going to be classified in history the same way as slavery and racism. The world is passing you by.”
  
  Doesn’t he have the freedom to make that CHOICE?
  
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- searcher619
  Posted on February 4, 2013 at 10:36am
  Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 12:37pm
  
  “FYI – anyone who supports this person (and there aren’t enough of you to keep him in business) has to be honest enough to admit he’s fighting a losing battle and his business, like your cause, is going to be classified in history the same way as slavery and racism. The world is passing you by…”
  
  You keep believing that. There are plenty of people who feel just like he does but will not speak up because they know the would be punished by the PC loving media.
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 8, 2013 at 8:57pm
  QUIATA, SEARCHER, and whoever:
  
  What about two gay people getting married has ANYTHING to do with you? How on earth does it affect you? How does it negatively affect society exactly?
  
  There are enough children who have been raised by gay couples that we know now it doesn’t negatively affect them. There are thousands of people in the US who were raised by two same sex parents; no “gender confusion” prevalent or anything else the religious right boogeymans about.
  
  I don’t care how many people agree with you – they are wrong. They are also dying out. This is a very, very outdated way of thinking. It is the absolute height of arrogance to prevent people who are in love from getting married because you “aren’t comfortable” with it or whatever other nonsense. It’s also being a read d!ck.
  
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- ihasa
  Posted on February 18, 2013 at 7:52am
  The baker isn’t required to agree with gay marriage. He’s allowed his opinion. He is, however, expected not to discriminate based on race, sexuality, gender etc. Providing a cake for an agreed price is not condoning anything, it’s business. Suppose he thought black people were abominable. Should he have the freedom to refuse custom to black people?
  
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Via Dolorosa
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:05pm
As Atlanta Preacher Charles Stanley always says … “Obey God and leave the consequences to Him.”

My prayers are with this man and his business – as long as He follows God’s laws for us, God will keep His protective Hand over him – and his business.

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- Valkaneer
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:31pm
  Please don’t lie, tell that to Job while server God all of his children, wife, house, everything he had was taken from him. Tell me what happend to 11 out of The 12 Disciples. They were all horribly killed. Serving God does not always get you good things here on Earth. None the less it is we do what God would have us do. Obey God’s law first, mans law second.
  
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- mopman64
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:58pm
  So your saying I can speed through traffic to get to church because god says I need to worship him and I can tell the cop that when he pulls me over and writes me a ticket?
  
  I am sure that will work.
  
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- usedCZARsalesman
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 11:11pm
  VALK…Job ended up with DOUBLE what he lost and all those that gave their lives for The Lord at the beginning of Christianity would do it AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN, if that is what was needed to glorify God…you know NOTHING of the nature of a Christians calling, so don’t try and through our VICTORIES in our face like they were defeats.
  
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- Locked
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 10:14am
  @Used
  
  Via Dolorosa is preaching Prosperity gospel; it’s completely non-biblical and it’s correct to point that out.
  
  Following God’s will and believing in Christ promises eternal life after death. It makes NO promise of the kind of life we have during our time on earth (though generally I’d say following the Bible makes you more likely to have a good life).
  
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- catty
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 10:42am
  And mail your social security check to….
  
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- Witness1974
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 10:53am
  Usedcarsalesman: I think you’ve been selling used cars too long. What in the world are you talking about? Valkaneer is correct. Job did end up with double of his worldly goods, but that was hardly an example of what to expect from God here on earth. He makes no such promises. He does promise, however, that in this world there will be suffering. God owes us nothing. Anyone who claims that every believer will be rewarded with health and wealth here on earth because of good deeds, or faith hasn’t read their Bible closely enough. What kind of life did Lazarus the beggar live? He was apparently a believer since he ended up in paradise, but on earth he laid at the rich man’s gate with dogs licking his sores. God frequently sends his children through the school of suffering and like in the book of Job, He does not justify Himself. He didn’t give Job any answers as to why he was called to suffering. Only we know part of the answer because we are priviledged to have the Holy Spirit give us a behind the scenes look at what was happening in the spritual realm. For those who are suffering, trust God through it. For those who haven’t yet suffered, anticipate it and set your mind to suffer patiently if it comes. For those who have lived long lives without suffering remember, not all Christian’s have the same experience. “Rejoice with them that do rejoice, AND weep with them that weep” (Romans 12:15).
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 1:53pm
  The “story” of Job is just another example of God letting people die to prove a point.
  
  I always love how people focus on what Job “got” for his faith.
  
  “EVERYTHING WAS DOUBLED!”
  
  Uh, well what about the innocent people that God let get slaughtered so he could prove a point about Job?
  
  Sickening.
  
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- Witness1974
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 3:02pm
  Moderationisbest: Since you brought it up, there is something very interesting about Job getting double evertthing he lost. If you look at the list at the end, he gets double all of his livestock etc., but he only gets back the same number of children, seven sons and three daughters. When you run across something so striking in the Bible you have to ask yourself, why did he do that? I speculate that Job never really lost those first ten children. Yes, their bodies died, but their souls continued to exist, so the only way God could stay consistent with the motif was to give him another ten children so that he would in fact have fathered, and raised, and loved twenty living souls. Moses was not allowed to enter the Promised Land and after only a glimpse of it died. And yet, we see him again in the promised land on the Mount of Transfiguration with Christ. It takes an eternal perspective to see these things. I’m sure Job trusted God with his first set of children, though the loss grieved him. Don’t you think it is a little presumptious given the infinitesably small sliver of knowledge we finite beings have to put ourselves in a place where we think we can judge the Infinite God. You know little of his motives and even less of the outcomes of His wisdom. Perhaps you should consider “moderating” your harsh views of God; it’s best that you do.
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 3:46pm
  @WITNESS1974
  
  I always love when you point out the brutality of their God, then people say, “well it takes an eternal understanding.”
  
  PURE nonsense.
  
  You use the same understanding to make claims like “God is love” and then when it’s something sickening you say, “oh well it takes a different understanding.”
  
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- encinom
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 3:53pm
  Job’s life and the lives of his family were used as chips in a poker game with the devil. Would a loving, caring god use his people as worthless tokens.
  
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- PATTY HENRY
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 4:38pm
  VIA: LOVE CHAS. STANLEY ! Moderation is Best: You are so wrong. You think you are so right, but you are not. This life is a blink of an eye; a training ground; a test. Satan rules this world but not for much longer. This is the choice all created souls get to make. YOU have no ability to view things through the eyes of GOD. He is about a zillion times more intelligent and sees a much different perspective. ALL the men who followed CHRIST and were also Crucified (Peter upside down etc) were not “punished’ by GOD, their actions should prove more than anything that JESUS was for REAL. Why would grown men choose to die for Him if he was not. GOD has a pre-ordained role for each of us, with choices each of us have to make. Death is merely going into another room. But you probably don’t believe that. You probably think this is all there is. You probably think that something (from who knows where) exploded and has kept exploding all these years…that ancient animals etc. were born this these extremely intricate EYES …things that really take an abandonment of logic to begin to believe. It takes far more “faith” to believe the things that you do than what I do. We were created; we were all created; everything was designed and created by a power far superior to ours. My gratitude is that this Power is LOVE (not hate) and each life is amazing regardless of when it ends here on earth. God is LOVE. Life is for decision making. ASK GOD.
  
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- Witness1974
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 6:30pm
  Encinom: What a low view of God you have. Even a cursory reading of scripture reveals that God does not consider people worthless. He ascribes worth even to livestock. “And should I not pity Nineveh, that great city, in which are more than one hundred and twenty thousand persons who cannot discern between their right hand and their left, and also much livestock?” (Jonah 4:11). You also need to read the whole book of Job again. God is not playing capricious games with lives, He is revealing himself and the true nature of the universe in which we find ourselves. We have been born into a state of spiritual warfare. Satan seeks to harm and destroy and God seeks to heal and build up. Satan seems to win some battles, but God is able to turn the evil the devil commits into good. As Joseph said to his brothers who betrayed him, to paraphrase: “You meant it for evil, but God meant it for good” (See Genesis 45). If you want to hate, hate The Destroyer, The Father of Lies, who was a murderer from the beginning. Hate sin beginning with yourself. God is love and He loves us with a kind of love relatively few moderns understand, it is not mere emotion, but action that seeks the good of the loved one. You would do well to listen to PattyHenry. This earth is the only place where mercy for sinners can be found, after this we will be locked in to our choices forever. “Choose this day whom you will serve.”
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on February 4, 2013 at 8:51am
  @PATTY HENRY
  
  “Why would grown men choose to die for Him if he was not”
  
  Uh, they were deluded?
  
  Are you saying that only Christianity has people who were willing to die for their cause? Look at martyrdom in the Muslim world, how much it is praised. Wouldn’t shock me if it was much like that for Christianity and other religions before then.
  
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- justsayin456
  Posted on February 13, 2013 at 10:26am
  You must be one of those people opposed to vaccines- the reason we’re seeing a resurgence of smallpox, rationale like yours.
  
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Zod Cranards
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:05pm
Good to know there are still some real Americans around.

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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 11:04am
  Real Americans aren’t bigots. We fought a civil war to defeat bigots, we had the civil rights movements to defeat bigots, and we will defeat the anti-gay bigots lurking around today. You do realize of course you’ll look just as backward and ignorant 40 years from now as the anti-civil rights people looked 40 years ago, right?
  
  A man’s wife is in the hospital and has hours to live. He can’t visit her because her family doesn’t like him, despite the fact he took care of her and loved her for more than 40 years. After she dies, none of the benefits she earned for her family are passed on to him. Pension, insurance, nothing. He is completely alone in the world now. This would be an outrage, but if it was 2 women together, religious right morons would applaud this.
  
  The tide is turning – we are absolutely sick and tired of your religious nonsense. We straight people stand up for our gay brothers and sisters because if you can impose your religious bullsh!t on them, you’ll try to impose it on us.
  
  Don’t you dare call this person a “real american” – he’s an ignorant bigot. And his children will be ashamed of him, just like children with racist parent are ashamed of them.
  
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- roryflick
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 12:45pm
  @ Freedomlover_USA
  Apparently you missed the results of Chickfillet.
  
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- Wisdom7
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 1:53pm
  @Freedomhater
  
  The tide is turning – we are absolutely sick and tired of your homosexual nonsense. We straight people stand up for our straight brothers and sisters because if you can impose your homosexual bullsh!t on them, you’ll try to impose it on us.
  
  So please just stop being such a hypocritical idiot, because we are SICK AND TIRED of all this homosexual crap being shoved down our throat. Also don’t even dare to compare homosexuality to being born black. You are nothing but an ignorant child.
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 2:00pm
  RORYFLICK – Chick-Fil-A has backtracked their stance. Turns out appealing to the lowest of the low is not good business practice. I’ll give you credit; the bigots gave them a lot of business. But as the ferver worn down, appealing to bigots was in the end not good business policy
  
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- Independent4233
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 4:23pm
  Freedomlover_US
  ” We fought a civil war to defeat bigots, we had the civil rights movements to defeat bigots, and we will defeat the anti-gay bigots lurking around today.”
  
  Defeat the anti-gay “bigots?”
  
  Don’t count on it, twinkie.
  
  First of all the civil rights fighting had nothing to do with bigotry and everything to do with a people wanting to remain separate from alien people and their culture, just the way blacks insist on being a separate entity right now….but want power.
  
  Every civil war in the history of mankind was the result of government imposing unjust mandates, rules and policies the people did not want. Pluralistic societies have failed throughout history with most of them erupting into internecine warfare.
  
  Right now the hottest spots in the world involve wars being fought by people who do not like being forced to accept people who do not share their beliefs, DNA, or their cultures and customs, whether it is the tribes in Africa or the contentious elements in the Balkans.
  
  “You do realize of course you’ll look just as backward and ignorant 40 years from now as the anti-civil rights people looked 40 years ago, right?”
  
  Ya wanna bet? The vast majority of whites want separate but equal.
  
  Also, it is nature that always wins, not mutants of nature. Good luck trying to successfully hammer the instinct for perpetuating the species into submission, which is almost as strong as the instinct for survival.
  
  Civil war will shatter your rai
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 6:46pm
  INDEPENDENT – are you blind? I’m 28 years old and I know absolutely no one my age who is opposed to gay marriage. The polls show it clearly – the younger generation is far, far more accepting of gay marriage than the older generations are. It is going to be legal in all 50 states in 40 years.
  
  Northern liberal pave the path to the future. Southern conservatives, whether it be slavery, racism, ignorance, or bigotry, well, let’s just say those morons need a little help being guided into modernity. Sorry if it offends you, but it’s the pattern of history, and it’s happening as we speak.
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 6:51pm
  WISDOM – the only thing we are shoving down your throat is that it is morally wrong and unacceptable to discriminate against gay people. You are the child for even wanting to do so in the first place.
  
  Your bullsh!t religion is much more of a choice than homosexuality is. When exactly did you choose to be straight? Was it around the time you decided to stop questioning the most ridiculous parts of your imposed belief system?
  
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- Quiata
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 8:03pm
  @FREEDOMLOVER (I really wish the sentiment expressed in your posts matched your name, but they don’t).
  Since we’re not really sure of the origin of homosexual behavior (it’s some hazy combination of nature and nurture), don’t you think that *choosing* the lifestyle is a more elegant conclusion?
  
  Stop and consider what it means if genes supposedly dictate our behavior. Surely there’s a “gene” for violent behavior/aggression/criminality, a gene/genes for devotion, a positive (or negative) attitude, good or bad social interaction, shyness/boldness…etc. The list is endless. We all have our genetic baggage, and we all (pardon the expression) have our “crosses to bear”.
  
  Now let’s say that we can abort a fetus, legally, for whatever reason we choose. Doesn’t matter: as long as it’s within the first or second trimester, it’s okay. Let’s say genetic testing shows baby MAY be violent, possibly homosexual, with tendencies towards obesity…or may not…but the child carries those (supposed) genes. How do feel about a woman choosing to terminate the pregnancy based on that information alone? How would you feel if the STATE began to influence her decision (because criminals and fat people are expensive to deal with)?
  
  Don’t you think that our human FREE WILL is more important in determining our choices and destinies than our genetic “blueprint”?
  
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- Independent4233
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 8:20pm
  Freedomlover_US
  “INDEPENDENT – are you blind? I’m 28 years old and I know absolutely no one my age who is opposed to gay marriage.”
  
  Are you a total idiot? What you don’t understand is that acquiescing to propaganda spouted by leftists and agreeing to twinkie ceremonies by 40% of the population is only lip service to get you to shut up and get out of their faces. You and your ilk still disgust them. Homosexuals to them are still objects of ridicule and laughter. You’re not blind because you don’t see that, because they show one face to you and another to everybody else behind your back.
  
  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/09/gay-marriage-poll_n_2267594.html
  
  “It is going to be legal in all 50 states in 40 years.”
  
  That’s wrong as well. But it’s a moot point, because this failing empire will implode long before then and will have broken up into sovereign nation-states due to many secessions, brought about by a collapsed economy and civil war.
  
  The “pattern of history” clearly reveals pluralistic societies fail and more so than not erupt into bloody clashes. There is not even one that has succeeded.
  
  You’ve created a new reality that you live in probably because the alternative is so depressing to you, and you are powerless in fighting your addiction, like a drug addict or alcoholic.
  
  Face the real world, old guy, and go to a shrink and get cured. You don’t have to be locked into the disease riddled world of perversions all your life.
  
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- Wisdom7
  Posted on February 4, 2013 at 2:42am
  @Freedomhater
  
  You sound mentally unstable. Honestly, where do you get off talking to people like you do? If you haven’t met anyone that disagrees with homosexuality, perhaps you should get out more! Here you are attacking anyone and everyone that doesn’t bow down to the homosexual “agenda” and then turn around and insult anyone that believes in God by calling their religion “bs”. I didn’t have to choose. I was straight the moment I was born male. I accepted how I was created. In fact, these questions didn’t exist until recently with this homosexual “agenda” push. Homosexuality and any other gender bending idiocy is a mental disease being pushed on the public by perverse idiots. It’s amazing to me that society allowed this lie of homosexuality being normal to be spread with such fervor.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on February 5, 2013 at 11:53am
  @Independent4233
  
  How do you get the burning cross, smokey scent out of your robes?
  
  Its clear, religion, especially the conservative kind is for those that lack the ability to reason. The bible in hands of such fools has become a book of hate and bigotry. It won’t be 40 years before gay marriage is legal in all States, after this year’s court cases, it will be legal in a matter of months.
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 8, 2013 at 9:05pm
  Yeah I want two same sex people to have the freedom to marry each other and to not be forced to comply to the “values” of the religious right and I’M the Freedomhater.
  
  There are two arguments that make no sense to me:
  
  1. How can anybody say that gay marriage affects them? Gay couples already adopt children, so it’s not like that will start when (and it is a when, not an if) gay marriage is legal everywhere in the US. They just get all the legal benefits of marriage. How does that affect you at all?
  
  2. Are people seriously suggesting that being gay is a CHOICE? How naive and stupid do you have to be to think you choose who you are sexually attracted to? It’s something you don’t even think about. Have you ever met a gay person? They’re gay because that’s who they are – there’s no f’in choice!!!
  
  You have to get so far outside of reality to make the square peg of the Bible, with all it’s glaring errors, fit the round hole that is the real world.
  
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raybaker35
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:03pm
I could care less who marries who and if i owned a bakery i would serve who ever. Im in biz to sell cakes not care about who marries who.
On the other hand since when cant a biz say no to a customer?

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- Skrewedretiree
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:09pm
  Since when? DUH! Have you been watching the news for the last 20 years, Comrade?
  
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- myrwo6
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 12:09am
  You can say no to a customer. It’s the reason that matters. Discrimination is a risky business and like it or not, most people in this country support progressive lifestyles or don’t really give two cares about it. I’m in the group that doen’t care about it. Having said that, I think this guy should stick to his priniple no matter what the state throws at him. What good are priciples if you can’t stand up for them. It’s just going to be tough on him in a liberal state like Oregon.
  
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- begreen
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 1:38am
  I service the public when or not as I please! That’s because our rights come from God and His laws come first.
  
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- Taquoshi
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 11:35am
  This type of federal regulation is an outgrowth of the Human Right Declarations that were created after World War II. The idea was that everyone is equal and you can’t segregate which population you want to sell your product to. And it has been used by many, many LGBTs to harass business owners.
  
  Were I this business owner, I might consider sub-contracting the job out to a baker who didn’t mind baking for the LBGTs and I would factor a hefty profit margin in.
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 1:55pm
  @BEGREEN
  
  Actually the Constitution comes first.
  
  To say otherwise is treason.
  
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woodyee
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:02pm
I feel sorry for this guy.

As word spreads about what he’s done here, he’s going to be so overwhelmed with business, he just simply won’t be able to meet demand.

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- CatB
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 10:11pm
  yes …
  
  Remember this …
  
  http://twitchy.com/2012/08/16/crumb-and-get-it-conservatives-urge-buycott-of-bakery-that-snubbed-biden/
  
  They had to start a mail order service with all the people who wanted to buy from them.
  
  http://www.crumbandgetit.com/
  
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- Pnis
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 10:06am
  Yes, all the homophobic bigots will come out in droves.
  
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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 10:34am
  Hey Goon PNIS,
  You forgot the E.
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 11:09am
  In Oregon? This guy is gonna be bombarded with complaints and boycotts.
  
  Religion is much more of a choice than homosexuality…
  
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- Dlcookie
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 12:48pm
  @freedomlover_us. You call me a bigot because I believe in a Creator, and because I believe that the natural law is written on the hearts of men, then you judge me based on your non-belief? Thank you for admitting that you don’t believe in God. Thank you for admitting that you believe that religion is more of a choice than homosexuality. It makes it easy easy for us to recognize you as a moral relativist. Moral relativism and people like you are destroying this country. You fail to recognize that you do not get to decide what is right or wrong. You already know, because it is written on your heart. Your only choice is whether you will act in accord with right or wrong. You choose to act in accord with evil and you despise me because I disagree. There is a definite and distinct difference between good and evil. You can’t change that and you hate me because I will not justify your miserable existence by lowering my morals. You are the bigot. You hate me because I believe. I do not hate homos because they are homos. If anything I love them more because they are living in a state of constant sin. Their sinful behavior separates them from God and prevents them from knowing true everlasting happiness. Happiness as opposed to temporal joy, this country seems to have lost the distinction between the two. Homos and people like you seek justification for your beliefs by forcing us to accept them because you believe this will bring you happiness. You are the bigot.
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 6:54pm
  DLCOOKIE – I call you a bigot because you have an unjustified belief in the inherent inferiority of homosexuals. Your belief in an absurd religion makes you an idiot; your desire to impose it on others makes you dangerous.
  
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Keatonc333
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 8:58pm
HAHAH! a male wedding cake baker is homophobic? now I’ve seen everything!

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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:05pm
  KEATONC333, Hell, just go suck his charlie oscar charlie kilo to show him how wrong he must be. You guys are so open minded, I’m sure your “girl friend” won’t mind.
  
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- homecreator
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:10pm
  As a male who does a lot of baking for a lot of occasions but never opened a store front I think you my friend are misguided. I too would not do a cake for a same sex union of any kind because you have to be there and put the cake together and basically be part of the occasion which I don’t believe in.
  I don’t care what they do and when they do it but I can not be made to be part of it.
  
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- jimmymac1
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:52pm
  You ought to be in business with Ray the baker and your wife’s could sell a little poontang in back of the shop I mean hey it’s just for a little money right!
  
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- brother_ed
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:58pm
  Hahahaha!!
  
  Two women and neither one can bake a cake!!
  
  Hahaha!
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 10:33pm
  Hi Brother_Ed,
  
  Dang… I missed that one… thanks for the laugh. : )
  
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- myrwo6
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 2:05am
  Do you even know what homophobic means?
  
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- Don
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 2:20am
  Hey Goofy arse there AINT no such thing as homophobia. Its a scare tactic term to throw out there when trying to get those who disagree with the life style to sthu. The REAL feardycats are the ones who HIDE behind the word GAY instead of boldly going with Homosexual. Simpleton.
  
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- dublinthewagons
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 7:34am
  @KEATON: Trouble making progressives shoving their ways on others.
  Le’um eat s#¡Tt for their wedding. I don’t care. You can have a double slice of packed fudge keaton
  
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doverturf
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 8:58pm
He is a private business man who can say yea or nay. Stay strong in your principles; you are right! The couple is free to go somewhere else to buy a cake.

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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 11:14am
  Please make any logical, cogent argument as to why homosexuality is morally wrong. Keep in mind, quoting the Bible to prove morality is like quoting Harry Potter to prove the proper methods of magic.
  
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- Wisdom7
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 2:00pm
  @Freedomhater
  
  Oh please! Just tell me how this guy made someone’s life hell? They can go anywhere else and buy their cake. You are the one being the hypocrite and hater. You want to FORCE your views on everyone else that doesn’t agree with them like some spoiled child! People are getting sick of it!
  
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- Nevertakecandyfromsocialists
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 6:10pm
  @freedomlover
  Whether you believe in God or not, the natural order is sex between a man and a woman, a biological fact. 95% of the population adheres to this norm. Moral conduct is synonymous with virtue. Heterosexual sex has a higher purpose beyond base, physical pleasure, the creation of life. There is no other purpose to homosexual sex outside of the self centered, sexual act itself. In fact homosexual couples, especially men, are much more promiscuous when compared to straight couples. Homosexuals brought us anonymous sex in public restrooms, parks, and rest stops, glory holes, grinder, and a$$less chaps in the gay pride parade. In fact, in 2 different studies, about 25 % of homosexual males responding reported having between 500 to 1000 sexual partners in their lifetimes. Is that your idea of morality and virtue? Therefore God or nature’s (if you prefer) best scenario would be a union between a man and a woman, providing a monogamous, stable, nurturing environment in which to raise children and propagate the species. This 2 parent, heterosexual family unit is the foundation of a stable, safe, and prosperous community. Single parent households and same sex households deal with more obstacles and problems than a two parent heterosexual household and are generally poorer and less stable. Heterosexual relationships and homosexual relationships are not equal. It’s time to quit lowering the bar and raise our standards.
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 7:03pm
  @ NEVERTAKECANDYFROMSOCIALISTS – homosexuality is observed across the animal kingdom. There are more gay people than there are left handed redheads. What exactly is your point?
  
  The bottom line is that is isn’t any of your damn business what two consenting adults do. But you actively and purposefully deny them essential civil rights, like hospital visitations and inheritence of benefits. That does absolutely nobody any good – it only causes needless pain. I dare you to justify that.
  
  You don’t want to accept homosexuality – fine. Don’t be gay. But stop making their life needlessly difficult by denying them basic civil rights.
  
  Damned southern conservatives – there should have been a genocide during reconstruction; the country and the world would be better off. What exactly have you contributed to the republic? Civil war (you lost), civil rights movement (you lost), education and living standards (you are failing miserably), tax contribution (you receive more than you pay to the feds). You are a useless albatross on the USA.
  
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- Quiata
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 8:17pm
  @FREEDOMLOVER “Please make any logical, cogent argument as to why homosexuality is morally wrong.”
  
  Visit the CDC (Center for Disease Control and Prevention) website….Dot gov. Look at the stats regarding MSM (men who have sex with men) and disease transmission versus that of the general population. Surely promiscuity has something to do with these numbers besides the acts themselves (sorry, no offense, but that’s just the biology involved…just keeping it real).
  
  Incidentally, drug-resistant (as in *untreatable*) gonorrhea has reached North America. Add that to the list. We’re now coming full circle on the effectiveness of antibiotics; certain behaviors associated with dangerous disease transmission *might* need to be curbed by those who would engage in them.
  
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- Quiata
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 8:31pm
  @NEVERTAKECANDYFROMSOCIALISTS Right now, people are dismissing behaviors that would have ended up being dangerous, disfiguring, or fatal in generations past. We’ve managed to conquer *some* disease transmissions (though those days are apparently numbered). Modern surgical techniques allow us to “fix” problems that were previously untreatable.
  
  All things come to an end, and Nature usually has a hand in when the party is over.
  
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- Quiata
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 9:29pm
  Sorry “FREEDOM” but this is unbelivable: “Damned southern conservatives – there should have been a genocide during reconstruction; the country and the world would be better off. What exactly have you contributed to the republic? …. You are a useless albatross on the USA.”
  
  WOWWWWWW…”genocide…useless” addressed to an entire region of people. That’s one big broad brush. You are NOT a lover of freedom. You are a fool and a FASCIST (and you might consult a dictionary to understand the full weight of the meaning of that term). You are one mean wolf full of hate and condemnation hiding in liberal gay man’s/sheep’s clothing.
  
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- Wisdom7
  Posted on February 4, 2013 at 2:56am
  Again and again we hear from those on the left how they want to murder anyone that disagrees with them. Here we have Freedomhater saying there should have been genocide to wipe out all conservatives. When it comes to gun rights, they want to murder all NRA members. In fact, they want to murder anyone that disagrees with them.
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 9, 2013 at 4:29pm
  For the record, I never suggested a genocide to eliminate conservative; I (jokingly) suggested a genocide to eliminate southerners. It was a joke meant to convey how useless the south has been since the end of the civil war (and what a disgrace they were before the war)
  
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En Von
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 8:56pm
Thats why a nice big sign saying “We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason.” Should be hung right next to the register.

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- oldguy49
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:00pm
  amen………pass the ammo
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:04pm
  One can only expect similar responses.
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 12:13pm
  Put a sign saying “We don’t serve gay people” and see how quickly you go out of business. Pack animals have a tendency to shun individuals who act cruelly toward pack members.
  
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- Quiata
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 9:02pm
  @FREEDOMLOVER Well, there are pack animals, and then there’s pecking order. And then you have pack animals which peck each other, and then you have peckers which pack animals. Pecking, packing, peter packed a pickled pepper. :^)
  
  Enough nonsense…. You need to observe more animals in nature: pack animals (and animals which maintain a pecking order) can be very aggressive/hostile to perceived threats, even to members of their own species, even to the point of killing that threat if they don’t manage to drive it away.
  
  It’s nice that we humans can make slightly more complex, and humane, judgement calls in our reactions to those whom we disagree with.
  
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buttons1
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 8:54pm
they have the right to refuse business to anyone. It is a private business and they can serve who they want. Welcome to ******* Oregon. This state(i live here)is going the way of CA and NY. Now these poor people are being investigated. Good god go somewhere else and buy your damn cake

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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 10:39am
  There is one and only one way to deal with a commie. It is the only thing they understand.
- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 8, 2013 at 9:09pm
  NY and California are the biggest economies in the country – Oregon would be lucky to go their way.
  
  I will never understand how much of a hater you need to be to deny two consenting adults in love the right to marry. What could you possibly get out of it?
  
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 8:53pm
Hmmm, I really must wonder what would be happening now had a Muslim family run this bakery?

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- civilwarcometh
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:05pm
  The cake would be filled with stones and a shovel…
  
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- marinedad3
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:18pm
  wow, keaton333 you are one HATEFUL dude, maybe you ought to see if the doctor can prescribe something for you!
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:21pm
  KEATONC333, I grant you that I have spent far more lengthy periods in the presence of Muslims than you can even imagine. Many times armed Muslims. You haven’t any where near a similar level of personal experience that you base your claim upon. As I have told others here, you are just another Howler Monkey throwing your on feces to see what sticks. You never make any sense, you never support your accusations or remarks.
  On your Catholic remark, since I come from an LE background. Those child molesting HOMOSEXUALS know where to go and hide virtually in the open. They are teachers, various athletics coaches, involved in any your activity groups to include any number of church organizations. They learn how to dominate, and threaten their victims. Yeah, as I have often said, the Boy Scouts handled their internal attacks far better than the Catholic Church. You’ve mentioned your child in several posts in the past. You might want to be VERY careful in whose care you leave your child. Or, are you really okay with that?
  
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- Clownzilla
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:24pm
  @Keaton333
  
  You just made fun of male bakers in the previous post yet you have the juevos to call this man an Islamophobe? Little bit of a hypocrite…….
  
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- UNALIEN
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:49pm
  KEATONC333
  
  you are a Marxist troll, the question is valid..
  
  there was a recent case in Toronto I think, where a lesbian went to a Muslim barber for a mans haircut but the barber refused. The lesbian, activist, filed a complaint and now the legal system must decide who is the most politically correct… what a joke…
  
  I think Muslims trump Lesbians
  
  white Christian males lose to everyone
  
  here is a video,,, Muslim barber vs lesbian
  
  http://video.intelligencer.ca/video/featured/latest/1569514787001/a-clash-of-rights/1978434008001
  
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- strawberry411a
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:59pm
  Keaton you keep showing up for a fight but you are woefully unprepared. Check the hypocrisy at the door and try some common sense truth for a bit. Now we have Islamophobe to deal with as well. Will you people never rest with your fingerpointing and lies.
  
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- Bookster
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 11:08pm
  Keaton doesn’t show up for a fight, he is too big a wuss to actually fight. He pops in, throws in a big steaming pile of monkey crap and runs away like a little girl. He is the most hateful, ill-informed and evil poster on this board and should be ignored. Most trolls will go away once people ignore them. Keaton is no different. A fool like Keaton gets off on the perceived chaos they think they cause. They don’t realize that nobody has any respect for them and that they are thought of as worthless noise. They are blind and don’t even realize it.
  
  Liberalism is a mental disorder.
  Progressives are a virus.
  Democrats are Godless.
  MSNBC=Hell’s Webcam.
  0bama=Enemy of America.
  
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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 11:47am
  I will not purport to come anywhere near RJ’s experience with Muslims. But, on the rare occasions here in America where I have interacted with them, they were very friendly. The attitude of the trouble-making, hate-filled idiot punk transcends all religions, colors and ethnicities. They must all be decomposed. So, I don’t “HATE” anybody. But I am not going to take any race baiting, “I am a victim”crap from anybody. I want peace and I will be anybody’s friend if they want to be mine. I just want to live my life without somebody else telling me what to do. If you screw with me, my kids or our freedoms, you are in for trouble.
  The previous comment is probably what every REAL American (loves God, freedom and country) is thinking right now.
  
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PASSIONFORCHRIST
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 8:53pm
These homosexuals are infringing on his religious beliefs as the states and the government itself is doing to every christian in America. Read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

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- ERP
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 8:59pm
  @RAIF2
  
  Where you at buddy? I’m just waiting for what kind of comments you’ll be spewing on this story.
  
  This should be good…
  
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- Keatonc333
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 8:59pm
  HOW? you idiot! name one way your right to free practice of christianity has been infringed! just one!
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:10pm
  KEATONC333, Did you just not read the story above or watch the video? The guy is trying to point out that he is not allowed to live by his Christian doctrine IAW the Oregon state laws. Alas, I guess a Love The One You’re With type of attitude as yours just refuses to understand.
  
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- Gregb
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:25pm
  That is what seems to be the problem with this country. The minority is trying to force Christ out. This baker is doing the right thing and in the right way. He is hurting no one. We need to bring Christ back into the schools. That would stop a lot of the craziness that is originating from the left.
  
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- Quiata
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 9:40pm
  @KEATON So you think a person should be able to walk into a Jewish deli and FORCE that deli to serve a HAM sandwich?
  Are you kidding? Wait…and you think the government should put its full weight behind the person seeking the ham sandwich and force all Jewish deli owners to comply with “ham on demand”?
  NEWSFLASH: it may just be a piece of pork to some, but to others its a moral standard. Capiche?
  
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jp2feminist
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 8:51pm
We were recently invited to a good friend’s daughter’s same sex marriage. I made the decision not to respond and not to send a gift. Enough already!

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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 7:27pm
  That is of course your right. But you are a hateful bigot for looking down on their love and you are an absolute embarrassment to your family and to society.
- Quiata
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 8:36pm
  “FREEDOM” Well that’s one way to look at it (but don’t you think “hateful bigot” is a bit strong, if not overused?)
  Someone else might think she was being polite and respectful by not attending. Would you WANT someone attending your wedding if they thought you were making a very bad choice in a partner? Or is the gift and pomp more important to you?
  
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- FidesEtRatio
  Posted on February 4, 2013 at 11:36am
  @JP2Feminist
  You have made the right decision and, thought they may not see it, the loving decision for the same-sex couple. It is not loving to offer support to someone who is engaging in self-destructive behavior. I think that your response maintains dignity and avoids giving support to sinful actions.
  
  People are going to attack you for it, of course. It is the nature of those who hate God to hate righteous actions. But, as the Word says, “Blessed are ye when they shall revile you, and persecute you, and speak all that is evil against you, untruly, for my sake: Be glad and rejoice, for your reward is very great in heaven. For so they persecuted the prophets that were before you.”
  
  So be glad, my friend, for you are blessed.
  
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Wolf73b
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 8:50pm
Liberals have no problem with slavery: They want to enslave business owners to unions. They want to enslave tax payers to tax consumers. They want to enslave the moral to immorality.

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- woodyee
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 8:56pm
  Well said!
  
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barber2
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 8:47pm
The Discrimination Card is ruining this country and the rights of the individual…

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ZAP
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 8:46pm
Sodom and Gomorrah #2–Ends the same way as #1

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Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 8:45pm
I’ll say it again. A business has a right to refuse service to anyone. They don’t have to have a reason.
At least, they used to, before 2008.

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- mary1lou
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 9:53pm
  Then Obama came along and look what we have now….
  
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1HonestInjun
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 8:45pm
Just another example of government interfering in a private business. This has nothing to do with
safety, regulations, etc. Here big brother is forcing political correctness against the freedom of a religious belief.

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superduper
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 8:44pm
Stay strong. This is what is going to happen more and more for those of us who believe that homosexuality is wrong. They will call us all kinds of names. In Washington State the citizens narrowly allowed for same sex marriage with the exceptions of churches and clergy, but the sneaky little secret that most don’t realize is that if you have a business, like photography, and you are asked to photograph a gay wedding, and you say no because you don’t want to participate and believe it is wrong, then they will be gunning for us with the law. Stay strong.

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- Keatonc333
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:01pm
  the problem is that everyone doesn’t share YOUR beliefs. and not everyone should be punished just because its YOUR belief.
  
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- Via Dolorosa
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:11pm
  The problem is not everyone agrees with THEIR belief – and don’t wish to partake, nor support, in THEIR behavior – or sin(s).
  
  Don’t trample on the bakery’s rights just so the homosexuals get to be right.
  
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- From Virginia
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:50pm
  @Keaton – What right have YOU to push your filthy behaviour on other people? Why should a business be closed down because they don’t want to participate? Why is it that they just can’t take their business to another baker or photographer? Why must they use the force of the government to shut down those that don’t agree with them?
  
  You people are savages and SHOULD be shunned in every endeavour.
  
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- TH777
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:53pm
  @Via Dolorosa: Great response!! I think you have keaton stuttering and at a loss for words at this point which is usually hard to do.
  
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- Wisdom7
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 1:56pm
  @Keaton
  
  “the problem is that everyone doesn’t share YOUR beliefs. and not everyone should be punished just because its YOUR belief.”
  
  Exactly. Now please kindly shut up.
  
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ClingingtomyGUNS
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 8:43pm
The Bible is filled with stories of how the “world” tried to get God fearing people to turn their backs on God. The book of Daniel comes to mind. His friends were NOT consumed by the fire, but the guards were. Daniel was NOT eaten by the lions, but the wise men of Babylon were. This man will be fed to the proverbial lions, but I believe his faith in God will prove to be stronger than the false god of government (and yes that reference to a “god” should be in lower case, because it is not The God, The Almighty). I pray that God smiles upon this man for doing what is right, without being hurtful towards his fellow man. (Just because he didn’t make their cake, does not make him hurtful, or homophobic).

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- Daggerandgun777
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 2:13am
  Very well said!
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 7:44pm
  And Harry Potter is filled with stories of magic. Doesn’t mean magic is real either.
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 4, 2013 at 6:08pm
  @QUIETIA – I really do not care if more than 2 people wanna marry. It doesnt affect me at all. Hell polygamy is in your Bible.
  
  I’m sorry but if you think the most perfect book on morality ever written was in the desert 2000 years ago, then you are a moron
  
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Al J Zira
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 8:40pm
This is ridiculous and getting out of control. So if NAMBL calls you establishment and wants to order a cake for their open house for 13 year old boys you’re supposed to accommodate? Since when is it up to the state to tell a private business who or when they have to provide services?

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- woodyee
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 8:46pm
  NAMBLA’s motto is “Over 8, it’s too late.” I think it was RAIF who said it, but I could be wrong…
  
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- qpwillie
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 8:59pm
  @Al J Zira
  “Since when is it up to the state to tell a private business who or when they have to provide services?”
  
  Since the Civil Rights Act of 1964. “Now who could possibly disagree with the Civil Rights Act?”
  It always sounds so wonderful when they first start chipping away at our rights.
  
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- Via Dolorosa
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:08pm
  Yep and include with that the sins (organizations) of bestiality, voodoo, etc. Once you open the door for one, you make yourself legally responsible to open it for all of them.
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 6:37pm
  Homosexual marriage = two consenting adults. I have never heard even the leftist liberal endorse NAMBLA. Get off of it.
  
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- Quiata
  Posted on February 4, 2013 at 6:11am
  @FREEDOMDEPRIVER (You just offer so much to respond to…where does one even start, or end?)
  
  “Two consenting adults” Really? What is your argument against three consenting adults? Or four? Are you going to try to stop three+ men from marrying each other at some point in the future? On what grounds?
  
  I’d really like to hear your response to this. It’s always fascinating to see atheist types justifying their version of morality.
  
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right-wing-waco
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 8:39pm
If this guy gets busted for his beliefs… the 1st Amendment is dead. I hope he and others will stand solid and say that nobody has the authority to violate his 1st Amendment right to his beliefs.

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- vter4beck
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 10:42pm
  I pray that this dear man is vindicated and his First Ammendment rights are upheld. My first thought when I read the headline . . . I”m going to Oregon to buy a cake from this man! As a private business owner, he has every right to serve whatever clientele he chooses, and knows his business will succeed or fail based on his choices. I wonder if this mom and daughter, and for that matter many gay couples, intentionally insinuate themselves upon small businesses with the sole purpose of being able to cry ‘discrimination’ and close them down? Seems like we’re hearing more and more cases of small businesses being targeted and under attack by homosexual couples who are trying to push their weight and agenda around. Vermonters had civil unions/gay marriage forced on us by our uber-liberal legislature so I feel for this man. I’m ashamed to be a Vermonter and if we could manage, I’d move my family out of this cesspool. The entire east coast is becoming a modern-day Sodom and Gamorrah and I fear for us. I pray that this man and his family stand strong against the onslaught and end up being even more prosperous than they had imagined. This man’s children should be very proud to have a dad who has backbone and principles.
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 7:41pm
  They’ll get a fine at most from the government. They’ll go out of business because society wont stand for this ****.
  
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woodyee
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 8:39pm
“The case now presents a unique legal dilemma, according to reports, since Oregon law forbids discrimination based on sexual orientation, and the U.S. Constitution protects Klein’s freedom of religion.”

Easy win for Klein. Good for him – a man’s Man.

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- 13th Imam
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:09pm
  I thought Fed Law ( The Constitution ) trumps state law?
  
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- lonwarner2
  Posted on February 3, 2013 at 8:23am
  @woodyee
  
  Great response! We need more men and women like him!
  
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gauge
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 8:38pm
Stay Strong!

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Joss
Posted on February 2, 2013 at 8:36pm
Welcome to Canada.

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- Keatonc333
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:01pm
  gay marriage is legal in Canada
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:15pm
  Keatonc333
  “gay marriage is legal in Canada”
  
  I hope your wedding in Canada was wonderful….. : )
  
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- Via Dolorosa
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:20pm
  Gay marriage is not legal in Heaven – nor in God’s eyes.
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:25pm
  Lil Keatie. Take a look around. You have approximately 3 trolls on any given day that share your view on crap. Special crap at that. At the moment, not a single worthless troll is chiming in with you on your needs. Piss off. Or get piss ed on as is your choice.
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:28pm
  Hi MONK, LOL, I’ve often wondered if his written expressions here about his so called girl friend were like some other similarly referred to “girl friends” that I have heard about in the past?
  
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- BryanB
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:32pm
  Hi Monk !!!!!!!!
  
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- BryanB
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:38pm
  What would be an appropriate gift for Keatonc333′s homosexual marraige ?????
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:39pm
  Hi RJJ,
  
  He’s just saying that he wears the pants in the house and his “special friend” wears the dress.
  
  I wonder why he doesn’t let his “special friend” post on The Blaze?
  
  Probably has power issues too.
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:42pm
  BRYANB, Hope you have been well. I suspect an excellent gift to Keaton would simply be the address of ENCINOM, WANGO, or THE THIRD ACHORN. Oh yeah, I forgot REDDENBLACK.
  
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- 1HonestInjun
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:53pm
  One must forgive Keaton C333. He is the purveyor of illegitimate imbecilic thought.
  
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- BryanB
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:55pm
  RJJinGadsden all is well, thanks for asking…. And yourself ?????
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 9:58pm
  Hi BryanB,
  
  I replied to your post above. Got to get ready for work. I’ll be back in 30 minutes. : )
  
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- BryanB
  Posted on February 2, 2013 at 10:22pm
  @RJJinGadsden
  
  “I suspect an excellent gift to Keaton would simply be the address of ENCINOM, WANGO, or THE THIRD ACHORN. Oh yeah, I forgot REDDENBLACK.”
  
  I see alot of these people on facebook, still using fake user names. but the interesting thing is they usually friend themselves and then forget to hide their friend list. You wouldn’t believe how many of them are the same person just using different user names. Most are just college kids running their mouths,or paid Bloggers just getting college money, but I have got a few names that are journalist from like Huff-Po, AOL, CNN and a few others, and one is a Lawyer from Massachusetts that has done amateur journalist work for CNN and a few just plain ol paid bloggers from political groups…….
  
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