View of buildings on the property of Rough Creek Lodge photographed Sunday, Feb. 3, 2013. Chris Kyle and Chad Littlefield were found murdered at the gun range on the property. Credit: AP
It was a hunting guide who discovered the bodies of Chris Kyle and his friend Chad Littlefield at Rough Creek Lodge in Glen Rose, TX, on Saturday after Marine reservist Eddie Ray Routh allegedly turned the gun on them, the Stephenville Empire-Tribune reports.
That’s just one of the latest details to be uncovered as a timeline begins to emerge surrounding the murder of the 38-year-old Kyle, the popular author and former SEAL sniper, and his friend this past weekend.
This photo provided by the Erath County Sheriff s Office shows Eddie Ray Routh. Credit: AP
The Tribune says that, according to Erath County Sheriff Tommy Bryant, the trio arrived at the lodge around 3:15pm CT on Saturday and it was the first time they had all went to the range together as a group. Less than two hours later — around 5pm — a hunting guide found the bodies and called 911.
Sheriff Bryant said both men were shot by Routh more than once with a semi-automatic handgun. That gun was later recovered at Routh’s residence, confirming that he did return home after leaving the lodge.
And while we already know that Routh, 25, made off with Kyle’s truck and was arrested on the highway after a brief chase, we now have more details about the time following the incident at the lodge.
RadarOnline.com quotes Bryant as saying Routh actually told his sister what happened after the shooting.
“He stopped and told his sister and brother-in-law what had happened,” Bryant said. “He left to his home in Lancaster and they notified authorities.”
A satellite view of the lodge. (Source: Google)
It’s unclear what else, exactly, he did between the hours after the shooting — besides returning home — and before being captured by
Chris Kyle (Source: Erik Tanner for TIME)
police. However, the Tribune does add more detail about the chase that eventually led to Routh’s capture. According to the outlet, police did use spike strips to slow him down and eventually apprehend him around 9pm CT. You can see pictures of the chase aftermath here.
We also know a little more about Littlefield, 35, and family: His wife, Leanne, is an assistant principal at Walnut Grove Middle School, the Tribune reports.
Finally, Bryant said that it appears Routh’s mother may have reached out to Kyle to help her son as he struggled with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD).
Kyle, who “received 14 different awards and decorations, including two Silver Stars, five Bronze Stars, and two Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medals,” according to the New York Daily News, leaves behind a wife and two children.
Routh has officially been charged with two counts of capital murder and his being held on a $3 million bond. On Sunday, the Tribune reported that his stay in jail hasn’t been peaceful: he was tasered Sunday evening after becoming aggressive.
“After he ate dinner, he refused to give his tray back to the jailers,” Sheriff Bryant said. “He became aggressive and tried to assault them so they tasered him.”
The local Glen Rose Reporter says he’s now being restrained to a chair in his cell. It also notes that he’s been getting death threats.
According to RadarOnline, Routh had a run-in with authorities about a year ago for a DWI. ABC says Routh was stationed in both Afghanistan and Haiti.
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AR154ME
Feb. 4, 2013 at 10:02amThere are going to be more and more incidents like this one as our troops return home mentally broken from a pointless war and with no support from our government who asked them to do this job in the first place. This, i am sure, will be used by politicians to push a number of their political agendas. I still find it hard to believe 3 prominent figures in the shooting world have died so close together…its just odd.
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48TENNVOL
Feb. 4, 2013 at 10:11amThere are literally millions of people in the U.S. that suffer from PTSD, but they aren’t murdering people. This individual has much more serious mental health issues.
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muffythetuffy
Feb. 4, 2013 at 10:13amDEMOCRATS RESORTING TO MURDER AND ASSASSINATIONS OF CONSERVATIVES
This was predicted only a year ago. Democrats were failing in their agenda around the nation. They have lost the gun issue so now are assassinating pro 2nd Amendment advocates and escaping. As this new Democrat Party policy is shown to be successful they will start murdering more conservative leaders.
I now keep a shotgun close at hand in my home, workplace, and when working in they yard.
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kenboo1
Feb. 4, 2013 at 10:23amThe most dangerous animal you will ever face in the forest is another man. If you don’t know what his intentions are you need to be prepared for the worst. Chris let his guard down. Familiarity breeds contempt. Chris trusted someone who was broken or fatally flawed.
AR154ME – you are right, but it doesn’t have to be this way… We are allowing these weaknesses to be distorted and used as an excuse. If you look at the WWII generation and how they came back. There was more support for that war and if you survived combat you were a hero. There is no reason to be over there placing our soldiers at risk. There are things that happen here in America that could cause PTSD – Look at Chicago, it s war zone…
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Newtowns-Third-Law
Feb. 4, 2013 at 10:32amI just pray that he had good death, and that he died quickly and with honor.
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encinom
Feb. 4, 2013 at 10:33amMuffy the not so tuffy has gone off the deep end and is living in paranoid nuts ville.
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stablepar
Feb. 4, 2013 at 10:38amthe fact the enemy had a contract out on chris while he was in afghanistan will always create questions in my mind. semper fi
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OldVet
Feb. 4, 2013 at 10:47amThis was murder for hire. I only hope the truth comes out before gun grabbers use it as another reason to disarm all veterans.
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SocialistSlayer
Feb. 4, 2013 at 10:54amIt seems Communist obama is having all the people speaking out against gun control whacked to silence them . Welkome to Communist obama’s Amerika comrades !
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myway
Feb. 4, 2013 at 10:59amOne thing is happening these warriors returning home have to fight the VA for help and more times then not are thrown under the bus. We use the military for everything to protect us and then we have people saying they are all going to shoot someone. Chances are they will kill themselves before harming anyone. The military is used as a prop for the KING all the time. The real fats are clear as day light, the country wants to forget about them and all the wars. Stupid liberals don’t always serve, however I many that did, but they sat in an office not in combat.
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sillyfreshness
Feb. 4, 2013 at 12:46pmThe government loves stories like this, they will use this to say more gun control is needed. They make these soldiers go crazy by sending them over and over and over and over on tour until they either die physically or emotionally. Then they send the guys back home to shoot up the place and they spin it to say more gun control is needed. Both the victims and the perp are all victims of “Bush’s Blunder” in his invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. This now never ending war because so many companies are making money with war equipment. Another term for that is called fascism.
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AmericaMustBeFree
Feb. 4, 2013 at 1:12pmFirst of all I do not think our troops are treated all that well under this administration.. 72% of those who have died have been under Obama’s watch. Look at past pictures of our troops with Bush and then pictures of them with Obama. Most of them look very unhappy.. Second of all I believe those who join the service need to go through and mental health test first.. war isn’t for everybody.. didn’t we learn anything from the Vietnam War, when we have some American’s who demeanor our troops and make them feel bad about what they do. After all.. we should be cheering men who put their lives on the line to fight for our freedom and the freedom of others. isn’t that what its about. And I don’t mean cheering the killing.. I don’t think most servicemen like tokill… but it has to happen.. to preserve the life of oothers and self. Think of the youngmen who went to help Ambassador Steven’s.. these men were valiant heroes.. unlike those who wouldn’t lift a finger to help! All men no matter where, should be free. Now we have a administration who gives weapons of mass destruction to the Muslim Brotherhood, the Libyain’s, the Syria rebels etc, but wants to disarm American’s. People who cannot see what is happening are just plain blind and in denial! God help us!
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VanceUppercut
Feb. 4, 2013 at 1:31pmThe Blaze forgot the most prominent point int he timeline: when Routh met with Obama, union reps, and a Chinese ambassador to plane the killing so that Obama could take your guns away…oops, I wasn’t suppose to mention that. Saul Alinsky told me to keep it on the dl.
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fieldwork
Feb. 4, 2013 at 1:46pmWhat was Fast and Furious if not a government conspiracy?
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Dachande
Feb. 4, 2013 at 1:47pmI’m sick of being talked about like we’re all broken. We’re all not broken, we’re not domestic terrorists, we’re not mentally unstable and we don’t have a frakking DISORDER!
Post Traumatic Stress is not a disorder, it’s completely normal, though it can lead to actual disorders, like depression. We veterans need to adjust from our experiences, some need help, some more than others because you can plummet into depression while coping with PTS.
If this wasn’t a premeditated murder, as some are calling it an assassination, then I wouldn’t rule out a very heated argument. Anyone who has spent time in the military and worked with other branches or other prior service from other branches, there have been fights talk crap to each other. It’s completely reasonable that an argument went way too far and some idiot turned murderer.
But I’m sick of being lumped up into one broken mentally weak group who needs our damn hands held by the government. I can personally tell you the crap the commands and government put us through is far more stressful than combat. We found every reason to go on every mission to get away from the BS on the FOB.
Veterans have proven through the generations that we are strong, even with our stressful experiences.
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SquareHead
Feb. 4, 2013 at 2:49pmThis will be used to label veterans as terrorist
See for yourself if you think there is something to it. I do.
http://www.infowars.com/shooting-death-of-navy-seal-to-be-blamed-on-all-vets/
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recondenny
Feb. 4, 2013 at 3:52pmI’m concerned about the media reports that Routh had PTSD. None of that has been confirmed and they’re all too happy to blame the murders on someone or, better yet, SOMETHING. I’ve heard reports he never served in combat. Makes that diagnosis more difficult, though not impossible. There are many varying degrees of PTSD. I was diagnosed with chronic and severe PTSD 21 years ago ( before it became popular). I haven’t killed anyone, or for that matter, haven’t harmed anyone who didn’t deserve it lol I fear this is going to become part of the “universal background check” and I will not be able to purchase fire arms and/or ammo. WHO BETTER TO DISARM THAT VETERANS.
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AR154ME
Feb. 4, 2013 at 4:05pm@KENB001-One thing that is different also from WWII is the type of fighting that is going on is completely different from then. These are non uniformed, guerrilla style soldiers and we are trying to fight them in a conventional style with our troops hands tied behind their backs. This brings me to pint #2, they have been fighting this war way longer than WWII and it seems it will never end now that they are going into Africa and maybe Iran at some point. We back home have become so desensitized to these wars that we ignore its other victims, the troops. When was the last time you saw a troop death count in the news? How about a suicide amongst soldiers count? this war will never end unless we elect better people into office and end the pointless fighting and nation building. Bring them all home already, put them to guard our borders and children. If you want to fight terrorism, stop buying oil from the middle east and OPEC and start to produce domestically. Kill the cash flow to the middle east.
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jblaze
Feb. 4, 2013 at 4:07pmI really feel bad for all military people right now and how malicious this present administration is toward them. I pray that God will be with you all and send you a leader to stand with you and against the evil that is now running ramped round and about you.
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FOREIGNANDDOMESTIC
Feb. 4, 2013 at 4:24pm@DACHANDE
Well said! Please understand this is yet another angle of attack from the traitor and his accomplices. They want to paint you all as mentally ill ticking bombs. Don’t forget that was EXACTLY what that feminoid Napolitano intended, when she said vets were a terrorist risk and should be placed on the govt’s watch list.
Thank you for your service, patriot.
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jblaze
Feb. 4, 2013 at 4:43pmThe Hidden Cause of Society’s Deadly Decline
From the March 2013 Trumpet Print Edition » (interestingly the writer of this article quotes Glenn Beck)………..We live in a time unlike any other in history. World events are moving rapidly toward the end of this age. There is an unseen reason why troubles are intensifying as never before. You cannot understand events without recognizing this truth!
An event occurred in 1986 that marked a MAJOR turning point in history. It has radically altered everything that has happened since: culture, family, education, religion, science, finance, politics, international relations—EVERYTHING WE DO. It has affected the United States in a MASSIVE way.
Yet what is most remarkable is, almost no one even knows it happened.
To understand this world-quaking event, let’s first look at some of what occurred right after it took place.
The Demonizing of Robert Bork
On July 1, 1987, President Ronald Reagan nominated a highly respected judge, Robert Bork, to become an associate justice on the U.S. Supreme Court. Within 45 minutes, Massachusetts Democrat Edward Kennedy took to the floor of the Senate and demonized him. “Robert Bork’s America,” he said, would produce back-alley abortions, segregation, censorship and midnight police raids. ……..cont’d reading on link noted below…. https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/10310.20.152.0/united-states/the-hidden-cause-of-societys-deadly-decline
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ThirdPartySparky
Feb. 4, 2013 at 5:42pmi don’t want to reply to the gun guy and his pointless war commentary, i want to thank 48tennvol for pointing out the obvious. and ask is he on medication? what did he bring with him to his deployment? where was he going? has he had contact with foreign operatives?
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RDavis49
Feb. 4, 2013 at 6:28pmI don’t call it odd at all…. I call it a political plan. Too many shooting too close together to be coinsidental I’d say… I do no trust the American government and this administration one single inch. They’re liars and socialist/communist and they’re pushing a gun control agenda that’s not popular and they’ll stop at nothing to have their way. Wonder what sort of mind altering drugs this man was on?
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SiggyFreak
Feb. 4, 2013 at 6:34pmI find this story & so many more stinking like fresh road kill left on the highway on a long hot summer day. I in NO WAY believe that this was just one of those “unfortunate tragedies” that happened. NO ONE will ever convince me that a decorated officer who had approx. 160 kills under his belt would some how be caught off guard & “shot”.
TOO MANY of our greatest HEROES are being murdered or “shut up” in one way or another. This “thing” has confessed to killing these heroes, so why do we have to go through the agony of a long drawn out trial just for him to “admit” what we already know! When an animal becomes “rabid” we do the humane & necessary thing…. WE PUT THEM DOWN!!!!!!!!!!! Put him in general population & let nature take it’s course.
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cloudsofwar
Feb. 4, 2013 at 6:53pm@ muffy you might be right.
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flntlok1949
Feb. 4, 2013 at 8:02pmI was under the impression that the Regime had passed a law saying Military personnel who are diagnosed with PTSD are not permitted to own or mess with firearms. Is my impression wrong? If I’m right, what was this man doing in possession of a pistol in the first place ( If it is in ones hand, one is in possession! )?
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SicOfObama
Feb. 4, 2013 at 8:05pmYou are very correct, this is just too convenient for obama as he sends helicopters to warn our citizens in Miami, Texas, California, Minnesota to not cross him in his gun control. Chris Kyle is SEAL # 34 who have been murdered and attacked since bin laden. obama and his mob use mind altering drugs on our troops, and this ex-Marine is as much a victim as Chris Kyle. obama is a vile and evil communist muslim and this enemy mole has the lives of every man, woman, and child in our country in his insane mad hands. He’s as evil as Syria’s president and he’s pushing our people to revolt so he can use the same military fire power on us. This is why he’s letting go all the brass who refuse to fire on citizens. He’s making sure they are in allegiance to him only and not to our Constitution and our citizens, but only to him and his orders. He would make Hitler, Mao, and Stalin, and Iran, Egypt, proud.
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dgraham1950
Feb. 4, 2013 at 10:02pmI know more Viet Nam vets, who fought in the jungles of Nam, (and were treated like dirt and filth by fellow Americans) that returned and rejoined society and had less sucides than these 2 wars. I knew 2 guys that were tunnel rats, they became alcaholics and still are today, but most got on with their lives. Everyone that serves today are called Heros. God Bless our Troops & God Bless America.
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anestat
Feb. 5, 2013 at 10:20amChris would have feared by obama with his extraordinary sharp-shooting skills, hitting a human target at 1.2 miles.
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myOWNcompass
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:14pmThere IS help for returning veterans. I am a PTSD veteran in the system; I’ve watched the VA’s mental health clinics change tremendously in the last almost 32 years. The one on one talk therapy and group therapy I now receive for my PTSD works, as opposed to the “here’s a pill you should begin feeling better in a few weeks, bye-bye”.
They have a separate PTSD clinic, and a MST clinic, (Military Sexual Trauma). They have a large number of groups at all hours of the day and evening. You can call, there is even a hotline for emergencies. You can walk in because there is an urgent care / emergency mental health clinic. There are social workers to help you find resources if you are struggling. They have in and out patient programs for those struggling with alcohol and addiction. ANY VETERAN returning can receive help for free, for up to five years I believe.
What’s the catch? THE VETERAN HAS TO GO THERE AND ASK FOR HELP. When everyone agrees to remove the stigma from mental illness, more Veterans will feel comfortable going in for help.
The surest sign of strength is knowing when to ask for help.
p.s. I am not saying that every VA Facility is the same, but the VA IS growing and changing and they are all going to catch up. Meanwhile, Vets still need to seek help.
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smv803
Feb. 5, 2013 at 8:18pmYou aren’t the only person finding all these killings odd. What do Lee Harvey Oswald, Jack Ruby and Sirhan Sirhan have in common? They never made it to testify the WHY. They were all taken out.
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MAnn33
Feb. 6, 2013 at 4:18pmI met a Army vet 26 years. He said life in the real world is hard and I couldnt tell you how many times I was deployed. They put me on a bus gave me money. just got word after 3 months my pension went through. We live in a small town very little jobs. I think instead of putting all the blame on the vets. The gvt needs to wake up transition them back in to as he said the real world and you cant tell me they arnt aware of thoes who could be high risk of PSTD. They do prisioners but not vets. Sad. I said to him and bought him a coffee thank you for protecting our country His responce No thanks needed mam just carring out what I signed up to do. This seems to be a never ending war. And am sure more of this will occure but the gvt needs to steep up and take care of our vets phisically and mentally.
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AbrahamsSheepdog
Feb. 4, 2013 at 10:01amBetween the photoshop skeet & this, they are timing it Perfectly. Simple
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matabrava
Feb. 4, 2013 at 10:53amI don’t like all the conspiracy theory, but in order to get to the truth there should be no stone unturned, like this guy Routh bank account…maybe he was incentivized.
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RANGER1965
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:58amSounds to me like a violent, and angry man. Totally mentally unbalanced. And a coward to boot.
I have my doubts about him being some brainwashed Al Queda guided missile like some are saying. His actions after the event, telling his sister and his brother-in-law don’t seem in character.
If it turns out he spent some time in captivity, or when searching his computer there is evidence of a terrorist connection, I’ll revise my opinion.
Until then I think he was unhinged, violent, and likely hid it well enough that Kyle didn’t think it was an issue.
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encinom
Feb. 4, 2013 at 10:34amWeren’t the gun nuts proudly stating that there are never killings at firing ranges…
I guess that is another NRA lie thrown out the window.
walnutportconservative
Feb. 4, 2013 at 10:44amEncinom…
What? Do folks like you stay up at night waiting for incidents to pounce on?
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OldVet
Feb. 4, 2013 at 10:52amENCINOM, Who better to recruit for murder for hire than a troubled, out of work young man who is familiar with killing. His antics in jail will tell you that he is going for an insanity plea, which he was probably promised by whoever hired him.
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toto
Feb. 4, 2013 at 11:12amWould like to know if Routh had been screened for schizophrenia, it no doubt shows up in the military as well as the non military, don’t believe it is always is PTSD. It seems this has become an undifferentiated catch all term for veterans. Such a horrible tragedy for these heroes families after all they have been through. Feel sorry too for Routh’s mother, can not fathom the depth of her despair and agony. Prayers for them all.
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PatriotTechie
Feb. 4, 2013 at 12:18pm@Encinom. I love it when you post. The more you post, the less credibility you have. Same with every other lefty that opens their trap. You couldn’t display your idiocy any better if you were to rent a billboard.
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fb274
Feb. 4, 2013 at 12:22pmThe main question for me is if Routh were on medication prescribed by the VA or other doctors. Some meds create paranoia and psychopathic disorders by changing the chemical balance in the brain and when in the panic state just saying “hi” could make them snap. Saw this in an ex DIL–thank goodness she is out of the picture now.
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DogsLoveFreedom
Feb. 4, 2013 at 2:42pmEncinom – I’m 5.2′, remember when they used to put women in prison for using undue force and shooting the man attacking her? I do. I’ve saved my own life with a gun against a 250lb, 6′ tall man, and I think every woman should carry one. I’ve been watching for six months and you never seem to add info just sling insults. So enlighten me…what’s a gun nut? Would I be a gun nut? If the military is to protect the country…and the police protect the public, who should be protecting me?
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exilemusic
Feb. 4, 2013 at 2:55pmEncinom. Has the NRA actually ever said that?
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FOREIGNANDDOMESTIC
Feb. 4, 2013 at 4:10pmFB274
Some meds create paranoia and psychopathic disorders by changing the chemical balance in the brai
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I think you meant psychotic, not psychopathic. The two are not the same.
@RANGER
Sounds to me like a violent, and angry man. I have my doubts about him being some brainwashed Al Queda guided missile…
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Why not? Those savages place death fatwas on people, don’t they? They also fit the “violent and angry” profile better than anyone else, right? Like I said in a previous post, this guy was far from delusional when he murdered Chris and his friend, since he remembered what he had done, and in fact confessed his crime to a family member. Also, if he had suffered a psychotic episode, he would have felt unbearable emotional pain and regret once he came to, but Routh has shown no compunction or emotional distress at having killed his mentor and friend. Finally, we now know he shot Chris more than once and, judging by the timeline, as soon as they got there. Since he was not delusional, it signals revenge and extreme hatred.
All the above strongly suggest premeditated murder. It could very well be that this snake framed Chris, that HE was the one who suggested they go to the shooting range. It was the perfect place to murder his victims: isolated, deserted, a place where Chris would feel relaxed and let his guard down, and Routh could easily shoot him from behind.
Then there’s the Muslim beard…
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jblaze
Feb. 4, 2013 at 4:32pmDon’t forget there are also mind altering drugs! Just seem too much of a coincidence that every policy this administration wants to push through coincides with a landside of calamities to back it up! How convenient for their cause! How many gas, oil and coal fires/blow-ups do we hear about now that they have got their dirty work done? There is evidence of this theme throughout the life of the Obama administration.
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Oath-keeper
Feb. 4, 2013 at 4:56pmLeave little dicencom alone, the only attention he gets is from the posters on this site. Responding to him only encourages it. Girly yep….
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lqtm
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:54amAll the comments saying the Democrats will politicize it are ironic because they are politicizing it on a political discussion board, but it’s OK, because they’re right, as is easily seen on burntheblaze.com
They will burn in He!!
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AbrahamsSheepdog
Feb. 4, 2013 at 10:17amHey lets troll them commies. How can you burn something already ablaze? Hmmm, Im a gonna go troll fish a bit. Time to burn BurntheBlaze. Oh and I won’t be to nice. Gloves off. Yeehah!
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Walkabout
Feb. 4, 2013 at 10:27amSeeing as how Janet Napolitano said that the Dept of Homeland Security said it had to worry about soldiers coming home from Iraq becoming terrorists, etc, I would say the left is 6 months to 12 months ahead of us on politicizing it.
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dugbru
Feb. 4, 2013 at 11:13am@ walkabout… If only Chris had a pair of scissors with him !!!
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anestat
Feb. 5, 2013 at 10:18amThis incident is a good example of the need for mental health treatment. His mother knew he needed help so why didn’t veteran groups there get in touch with him and help him. There is much political talk from the democrats about how the veterans are taken care of, but I think it might all talk and no action. They need to follow up with the vets and their families. Here, again, don’t blame the guns, blame the lack of mental health care.
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PaHorseman
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:53amWhere does it all end?
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circleDwagons
Feb. 4, 2013 at 10:12amWith a new Heaven and Earth. Keep the Faith and Stand.
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encinom
Feb. 4, 2013 at 10:36amWhen the gun nuts are ignored and sane guns are enacted. It ends when the GOP doesn’t cut funding for medical services for Vets. Its ends when the NRA shuts its doors forever.
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TrueAmerican1775
Feb. 4, 2013 at 11:21am@ ENCINOM you are an idiot first off the NRA was founded after the Civil War to promote marksmanship and safety for the US military and civilians alike. Most of what the NRA does is teach and re-teach safety. Finally until this nation stops letting people like you have a voice we will continue to see these types of incidents. Liberals support letting murderers sit on death row for ever and would like to rid our nation of the death penalty all the while killing millions of un-born every year. You people live in cities with the worst economies and highest crime rates but want to tell the rest of us how to live. We say we don’t like that so we won’t do it, you say you don’t like that so we can’t do it. Take you type of freedom and go back to whatever country your family crawled out of. Leave this place to us Crazy freedom loving Americans.
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LakeHartwellSailor
Feb. 4, 2013 at 4:55pm@encicom
Go buy semi-automatic pistol. Don’t take ANY safety courses….just have the gun shop show you how to load it. After it has been loaded, take it home and examine the weapon from all angles while simultaneously playing with the trigger.
I will know you have done this when you suddenly fail to post on any stories.
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SubHuman
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:51amTired of hearing all these conspiracy theories surrounding this senseless death. Seems like so many people have to tie every event into some plot by evil men so it doesn’t seem senseless. We don’t know all the details. We may never know. But it seems the killer has some deep emotional and psychological problems. What really amazes me is that unlike say Breitbart’s death there’s nothing suspicious about this murder. Nothing coincidental. Nothing seemingly covered up or misreported. Nothing that seems fishy. I can think of no other reason to shout conspiracy then to make oneself feel warm and cozy that somewhere out there some shadowy man is in control of all those terrible random events. It’s a weakness. One many need to correct. If you jump at all the shadows you won;t be able to recognize the ones worth fearing. And you look foolish. It also is tasteless to shout it after the death of a great American who spent his life serving the nation. Honor his life. Pray for his loved ones.
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DougHuffman
Feb. 4, 2013 at 10:00amWell said. Thank you for reminding US of Andrew Breitbart’s untimely passing. RIP
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TakeHisHand
Feb. 4, 2013 at 10:26amDoes anyone else believe in God and the devil? The way I figure it these events are conspiratorial. Just because the conspirator is unseen by mortals doesn’t make him any less of a conspirator.
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YOURSENSEI
Feb. 4, 2013 at 11:30amThis is what you must know:
Breitbart was privileged little Hollywood pansy who never worked a day in his life.
It is so.
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darkknight91
Feb. 4, 2013 at 1:04pmFixed.
This is what you must know:
Obama was a privileged little Hawaiian pansy who never worked a day in his life.
It is so.
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gena t
Feb. 4, 2013 at 2:33pmSo glad to hear a voice of reason. Thank you to an individual with a name that does not seem to fit, you sound much, much above Subhuman.
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FOREIGNANDDOMESTIC
Feb. 4, 2013 at 4:40pm@SUBHUMAN
Nothing coincidental. Nothing seemingly covered up or misreported. Nothing that seems fishy.
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Well, perhaps you need to hone your analytical skills, although that may be an impossible task for someone whose humanness is below par.
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PIGSWILLNEVERFLY
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:51amChris Kyle called Biden what? video interview:
http://www.maggiesnotebook.com/2013/02/chris-kyle-flashback-biden-said-taliban-is-not-our-enemy/
“Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. It’s inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” Winston Churchill
One of the best comeback lines of all time:
http://www.a12iggymom.wordpress.com/2013/01/30/stupid-question-excellent-answer/
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RaydocX
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:41ama tragedy for men trying to help a Brother in Arm who was hurting, but if they were demonstrating long range shooting, one would have been proned out on the scope and the second likely kneeling on the spotting scope… a double action handgun would have taken one out before either knew what was happening, so sorry, folks, it could happen…
i agree, the Administration is giong to try to use this to their advantage
i also agree that the push to claim all soldiers have PTSD but conveniently do nothing about reaclimating the troops while still in service is a means of preventing trained folks from having arms in their homes.
and i believe Kyle would forgive this guy, who clearly is not right minded… obviously more care was necessary in the run up to taking him to the range. likely neither knew about the hand gun; a third helper might have offered all a chance at survival.
it’s tragic, but war broke this young man, and a country whose government and armed forces don’t try to fix their outgoing troops, leaving it to other veterans instead contributed.
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PaHorseman
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:49amI pray for him and his family
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FOREIGNANDDOMESTIC
Feb. 4, 2013 at 4:47pmRAY, how do you know this guy is not just plain EVIL? Some of you are starting to sound like any killer’s mother.
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afleetcommand
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:41amAndrew Breitbart, John Noveske, Keith Ratliff, and now Chris Kyle. A disturbing trend?
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AbrahamsSheepdog
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:55amStrange & very scary.
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herdzcatz
Feb. 4, 2013 at 3:44pmAfleetcommand, “Breitbart” is exactly what came to mind the minute I heard of Kyle’s and his friend’s deaths. But according to Subhuman, this bit of “paranoia” indicates senseless fear and jumping at all the wrong shadows. Guess we need to develop more trust of our leaders in this nation, like, say, Ambassador Chris Stevens displayed when he asked the state department repeatedly for personnel and help in Libya. Then we won’t be seen as paranoid.
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truthnstuff
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:36amLet’s see…….military men being discharged, who are patriots, susceptible to PTSD should not pass a gun check for mental reasons. Can we still claim that gun violence does not exist in gun free zones?
Conspiracy? Coincidence? Hmmmmmm, just sayin. When this regimes lips are moving they are lying.
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DougHuffman
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:46amRead the divide-and-conquer by the useful-fools below, “One aww Shiite wipes out an Honorable Discharge AND a thousand atta-boys.”
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usedCZARsalesman
Feb. 4, 2013 at 11:21amTRUTH…are you expressing that (combat vets with PTSD shouldn’t own firearms) as a personal opinion or as the narrative they are trying to spin?
If you are speaking to their narrative, then you are 100% correct and I’ve been warning the Vets around me that they will try a “PTSD gun grab” before all this talk of “mental health requirements” is through. It makes the most sense towards their end goal. There is only ONE group of people in this country that you are guaranteed will physically resist ANY direct attempts on our gun rights, and that is our vets…they are also, BY FAR, the most dangerous (to the regime) group of people in the country.
If, however, you are attempting to show support for denying 2nd amendment rights to us (as I have been diagnosed with PTSD and have monthly “sessions” with a VA Dr to make sure I’m “doing alright”), then that is a VERY different thing entirely…I would NOT suggest continue to advocate for this if you are…you will, more than likely, find yourself on the losing end of that battle when the day comes.
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RIGHTHOOK
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:22amVery tragic, very unfortunate. This will be twisted and used inappropriately by Jay Carney and his lapdog media pals to advance the ideology of Obama. Count on it.
Prayers to all those families affected.
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Bloody Sam
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:41amPerhaps The Regime will use this tragedy to advance their agenda. We shall see.
But one thing is certain. They cannot keep jumping on every tragedy even remotely related to firearms and not suffer a huge backlash. Even on the Left there are gun owners. And they all can be counted on to have a semblance of decency. They will look at this Regime with disgust where once there was deference if not outright reverence.
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momrules
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:21amRouth murders two men, steals a truck, gets involved in a wreck during a police chase, is arrested. I can’t get over how very calm Routh appears in his booking photo.
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Slowman101
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:12amWhat a shame. This never should have happened.
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progressiveslayer
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:00amThis regime will use Kyles murder to advance it’s anti-freedom agenda of violating our second amendment right. Kyle was a man of extraordinary courage and to be taken out by a worthless coward and to have his murder be used to advance an ideology he fought against is beyond comprehension. Condolences to the families of Kyle and Littlefield.
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DougHuffman
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:09am“Worthless coward”? But, but I thought he was a veteran, even wounded emotionally? Divide and conquer much?
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progressiveslayer
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:19amI don’t care what he claims to ‘suffer’ from,you shoot a man in the back and you’re a GD coward.
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1911CK
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:21am@Doug Huffman-yeah shooting two men in the back kinda makes you a worthless coward-regardless of whether you are a veteran or not.
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Supah_Patriot
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:24amWow, did you think up that scenario all by yourself, ProgSlayer? Sounds a lot like every other post of yours! Nice work!
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Desert Dog
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:30amIn the Old West anyone shooting a man in the back was the lowest form of human one could be and got you an automatic lynching. Those standards should apply today.
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glckgrl
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:30amI agree. Very sad, and condolences to the Kyle family and prayers of comfort to the horrified relatives who promptly called 911 on their sibling. God help the accused killer. Perhaps the Regime in DC will use its “dictatorship” power to address gang violence and murders in the USA, starting in Chicago, aided by the creepy ballerina mayor and let our veterans be.
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Crazyotto
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:44amThe truth is we don’t know exactly what went down. I personally knew a woman who was murdered by her son who was also suffering from PTSD. He was also a recent returning Vet. Shooting your own Mother is pretty low as well. But again we don’t know exactly what was going through this kids head. It is a tragedy that is gut wrenching. The V.A. needs to do more but you have a showboating POTUS that is more concerned with the superficial than substance. He will do little for the 30% of Vets returning with PTSD.
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progressiveslayer
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:48amSupah Troll So how many usernames you have there fool? Wango,pantload and many others huh? You prove your idiocy every time,you’re very consistent.
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DougHuffman
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:57amIf a felon may properly be disbarred his rights under color of law, then we all can be legally disarmed merely by sufficiently lowering by the bar of felony – as is being done to veterans. Godly people are armed with wits, guns and the Truth. God Bless Bitter Clingers, damn gun-grabbers from the left and the right.
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YOURSENSEI
Feb. 4, 2013 at 11:32amMr or Ms PROGRESSIVSLAYER,
This is what you must know:
“you shoot a man in the back and you’re a GD coward.”
From your mouth to Sam Horn’s ears.
It is so.
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Cavy2see
Feb. 4, 2013 at 2:26pmMaybe there is more to this story…we must wait a little to see what really happened this is not a tv show…the answers do not come so quickly…there may have been another person there…or some other agenda…the poor soldiers from the war are being used by everyone for one reason or another this is the bunch who hated soldiers and military in Vietnam too is it not???
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loveoursoldiers
Feb. 4, 2013 at 8:59amInteresting also we have a neatly packaged story about these murders but we still know nothing about Benghazi… “but what difference does it make?”
like Brietbart.. neatly packaged sudden death… case closed
like the mutliple deaths of Seal Team 6 members in a copter crash that they shouldn’t have been on.. case closed
The difference it makes is that Americans will not stand down when/if our country and our soldiers’ lives are at stake… why? because WE are the USA and will rally for freedom and justice.
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emoore54
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:13amI could not agree with you more. I believe that the story is so wrong. THis guy took out not one but two expert marksmen? ********
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katzkiner
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:45amSomeone we respect is on the radio stating “no this is not a conspiracy but what’s happening to us?” So it could not be a conspiracy all these Seals dying but it could be some super natural karma? OK Glen. Perhaps we should all re-read “The Prince” by Machiavelli. A government that has $Trillions in resources is capable of anything. This is why you can not allow a Black Muslin to hold the power of a basically white nation. It will not end well.
Carry on.
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zetuff
Feb. 4, 2013 at 10:08amwake up people.. glenn beck is a paid peace keeper.. he is the elite..
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dadsrootbeer
Feb. 4, 2013 at 8:58amIt’s Bush’s fault
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USAPLISKENXI
Feb. 4, 2013 at 8:52amWe all need to buy his book rest in peace Brother
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Newtowns-Third-Law
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:24amJust read it at the Library. 80% of the Book money goes to Marketing and Advertising companies who benefit from the free press. If you want to help Kyle’s widow send her $5.00 and avoid the middleman.
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loveoursoldiers
Feb. 4, 2013 at 8:49amStill seems too coincidental. in the context of an anti-American POS who is decimating our military and in the context of other strange occurrences of late re: Seal Team 6 and all the General’s scandals.
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Argosy
Feb. 4, 2013 at 8:49amI served 6 years, 2 tours in Iraq, Soldiers in general and going back to World War II don’t brag about how many people they killed.
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Newtowns-Third-Law
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:13am“Soldiers do not talk…” Technically the last man standing pistolero was a veteran Marine and the most interesting sniper in the world was a veteran Sailor.
Not only did Petty Officer Kyle talk about his war kills on the air and in his book, he stated he sucker punched a retired brother SEAL in a public bar, and then “ran like hell” like his master Chief taught him. Live & Let Live.
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Chuck7884
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:31amYou are correct.we do not talk about it! but should we? You do not get ptsd for following orders we get ptsd for the things we do in order to carry out the mission. things happen beyond our control and decisions made in the heat of a firefight and then there are occurrences that jump in front of you either accidentally or intentionally from the the other side. This is where the What ifs come from,could i have done it better,did i make a mistake,could i have prevented the death of my comrade or innocent bystander. this goes on in a in a veteran’s mind over and over again depending on the severity depends on if he can work or not,The veteran spills the incident over to all aspects of decision and questions all decisions he or she makes from the simple to the complex.
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katzkiner
Feb. 4, 2013 at 10:02amSeals have been on celebrity status for decades. Everywhere they turn they get book and movie offers. It has to be hard not to cash in. One even won a governors job. Maybe the politicians are feeling threatened.
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jbast01
Feb. 4, 2013 at 8:49amGod Bless his soul! This man is a true american hero and deserves to be remembered as such. I can’t wait to read American Sniper.
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SpankDaMonkey
Feb. 4, 2013 at 8:44am.
I bet O & Holder step in and call it Work Place Violence, then give the guy a free pass as it was Bush’s fault he had PTSD……
God Bless you……..
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DougHuffman
Feb. 4, 2013 at 8:41amImmediately the lamestream gun-grabbers commenced dancing in the blood of innocents and in the blood of a veteran struggling with problems unimaginable.
If a felon may properly be disbarred his rights under color of law, then we all can be legally disarmed merely by sufficiently lowering the bar of felony; as is being done to veterans.
Godly people are armed with wits, guns and the Truth. God Bless Bitter Clingers, damn the Lord of Lies.
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DougHuffman
Feb. 4, 2013 at 8:46amAbout CT’s – Conspiracy Teases – it was incredibly convenient.
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Gonzo
Feb. 4, 2013 at 8:37amIf you have never read “American Sniper” you should. This man was a great American and a great warrior. God bless him and his family.
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huey6367
Feb. 4, 2013 at 8:36amI am not a conspiracy theorist but I just have a feeling that he knew something or said something that the Obie administration does not want out and he paid the ultimate screifice for it.
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grimmster
Feb. 4, 2013 at 8:47am@Huey.
Look at all the seals who have been killed in the last year or so,and look at what military branch killed bin laden. The answer lies there, i believe,bacrackrock obammy hates the military,conspiracy or not, something sure is fishy.Lies and the lack of the truth is what fuels conspiracy theories,and until the REAL truth is known, they can not all be totally debunked…….Too many vets are going to pay for this one lunatics action,not to mention the further assault on guns…….
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Nod
Feb. 4, 2013 at 8:49amI’m just about ready to put on the tin-foil hat myself. We know that the govt. has worked on mind-control, and God only knows what else. Seems like a lot of ‘convient’ things are happening at ‘convient’ times. Just sayin……
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naughtycal
Feb. 4, 2013 at 8:52amAnd I’ll bet Routh will conviently hang himself or get murdered by another prisoners very soon.
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tommytruck
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:04amThat is because if the shtf they would make excellent tacticians and would make the normally “untouchable” very touchable.
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huey6367
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:19amAfter reading the other comments on here, something else comes to light that I failed to recognize – this will be a play for gun confiscation. I am sickened with the direction this country is taking. What happened to the America I knew and learned about in school? The answer is two-fold – immigration and the wussification of America. Do you really need to santize your hands before touching a door knob?
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Gonzo
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:30amR.J., I agree completely. The buffoon in chief never talks about the problems our troops face after a career in the military in which they barely make enough to survive, yet can’t shut his trap about millionaire athletes.
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Southerner01
Feb. 4, 2013 at 12:19pmBut Obama understand what they go through, after all he posed for a fake skeet shooting photo and fired a shotgun once. He’s still recovering from that terror.
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Idaho2aa
Feb. 4, 2013 at 8:34amThe administration will use this in an attempt to take guns away from Veterans who have ever confessed to having any form of PTSD.
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Gonzo
Feb. 4, 2013 at 8:41amThe POTUS seems more concerned with the mental health of NFL players than he does our vets.
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Chuck7884
Feb. 4, 2013 at 8:43amThat could very well be the case.with Alabama shooter and now this.
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jmc610
Feb. 4, 2013 at 8:44amI totally agree with you… There was talk before this happened…
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biohazard23
Feb. 4, 2013 at 8:55amThey’re tossing that diagnosis around waaaaay too easily. One can be diagnosed with it for almost any reason. I see it in the psych charts I work with every single day. Men, women, and teenagers are all being labeled as having PTSD for something. People who may have been “bullied” in grade school can be diagnosed with it. Homeless and stressed about it? PTSD.
The regime will get to work on mental health alright. And the American Psychiatric Association will add new disorders and develop more relaxed guidelines to make it easier for anyone to be slapped with a psychiatric diagnosis. Just watch and see what they try to do.
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Chuck7884
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:12am@biohazard23 you only need three on the list now !. just about anyone can be mentally ill they have written their book that well !.
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progressiveslayer
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:17amBiohazzard I agree with you completely on this because this regime will use every angle possible to infringe on our right to bear arms. They’ll use the PTSD angle and like you said they’ll diagnose more people to restrict more people from buying guns. They’re ordering banks not to do business with gun manufacturers and states like NY are infringing on our 2nd amendment right as well.
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RJJinGadsden
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:22amGONZO, I have to agree with you on that. But, as IDAHO2AA is pointing out the administration will use a combination of our troops blended with PTSD and other mental illnesses and maladies simply as tools to help accomplish their goals.
Hell, last night even SENDTHEMEATEEYORES was all for the mentally ill keeping their firearms apparently, so more of these tragedies can just stack up.
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biohazard23
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:33amYeah, it’s pretty scary how easy it is for some shrink or other medical professional to dx someone with a psych or unspecified non-psychotic mental disorder.
Feeling down for a couple of days? You’re clinically depressed.
Stressed out about work or school responsibilities? Must be generalized anxiety disorder.
Had a spouse you yelled and screamed at during your arguments, and who yelled at you right back? You’re a victim of domestic abuse.
Feeling a bit down for more than a few days? Why, that’s a single episode of major depression. Here’s your Rx for Celexa and Abilify.
Don’t get me started on how many people carry an explosive personality, unspecified schizophrenia, or unspecified bipolar dx… (Notice they’re usually unspecified. It’s easier to pigeon hole the pt that way.)
It’s getting easier and easier to apply these “disorders” to people who experience normal feelings regarding day-to-day living. And there are more than enough doctors willing to prescribe meds for any “disorder” you might have, real or imagined (read: ginned up by the APA).
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RJJinGadsden
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:33amBIOHAZARD, Good morning, and I see that you have yet again another spot on observation as usual. Please keep us informed of your continuing observations.
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biohazard23
Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:42amGood morning, RJ. I will certainly do that. It’s disturbing what I’m seeing at work. Disturbing, but I’m not surprised at all.
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Walkabout
Feb. 4, 2013 at 10:53amAs Michael Savage has said, when you are feeling depressed at time, that does not mean that you should run to a doctor for meds.
Sometimes you need to be depressed so that you get in gear.
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YOURSENSEI
Feb. 4, 2013 at 11:35amThis is what you must know:
Conservatives are incapable of remembering more than the last thing said.
it is so.
YOURSENSEI
Feb. 4, 2013 at 11:36amThis is what you must know:
When was the last time you heard of someone getting killed at a gun range . . Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
Oops, never mind.
It is so/
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