A Native American man scolded protesters at an Arizona anti-illegal immigration rally, saying they are the “real illegals” because their ancestors killed Native Americans and stole their land upon arriving on U.S. soil. Video of the altercation was uploaded to YouTube on Monday.
“You’re all f**king illegal! You’re all illegal,” the Native American man screamed at protesters. “We didn’t invite none of you here. We’re the only native Americans here.”
Pushing his baby in a stroller, the man stopped and continuously berated the perceived hypocrisy of the protesters. The group of protesters had reportedly gathered in Tucson, Ariz. to voice opposition to illegal immigration.
(YouTube)
“Get on with your bogus arguments. We’re the only legal ones here,” he yelled. Referring to one anti-illegal immigration sign, the man then yelled, “Yeah, we should have put that sign up when you son of a b**ches came!”
“You don’t want to hear the god damn truth!” he hollered. “Get on, b**ch! All the Native Americans you killed, you plant your houses here. That’s the truth. That’s the truth.”
The Supreme Court threw out key provisions of Arizona’s immigration law in 2012 but said the much-debated “show me your papers” provision could go forward. The provision says police must check the status of people stopped for various reasons who might appear to be in the U.S. illegally.
Obviously, the issue of illegal immigration is still a hotly debated subject.
(H/T: Gawker)
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J_Ruben_Kincaid
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:25pmThe entire history of man is a history of people being conquered. Native Americans were conquered. Just like my Celtic ancestors were conquered by the Romans. Just like the Romans were conquered by Germanic tribes. Its over, its history and the current inhabitants are free to make the rules until we are conquered.
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SocialistSlayer
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:31pmToo Late – We have been conquered – by our own ignorance !
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FISH_BONE
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:37pmIf not for pale face coming, the indigenous people of North America would still be sitting in a stretched buffalo hide, smoking peyote and occasionally hacking off the scalps of the respective members of the neighboring village. The “Native American” culture was advancing at slightly less than the speed of cold tar. They should be thankful whitey came to pull them out of the dark ages.
FISH_BONE
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:41pmIf you were to second guess your decision to book some time to visit an American Indian community that would be a reservation reservation reservation.
– Brian Regan
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demsrtraitors
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:46pmYou are right, but in America’s case Whites conquered this land and then accepted liberalism which they then committed ethnic cleansing against their own race.
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thegreatcarnac
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:52pmI had ancestors who were taken over by Romans too. I figure Italy owes me,…with interest…..60,000,000 dollars. They can just give me Rome and we will call it even.
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netmail
Feb. 5, 2013 at 6:04pmI say without reservation, good posters here!!
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3monkeysmomma
Feb. 5, 2013 at 6:04pm@Dmstrators
Wow, What a drooling ignoramus you are.
Learn some history.
Visit some of our National Parks.
Stop embarrassing yourself.
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Keatonc333
Feb. 5, 2013 at 6:21pmThis guys awesome!
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The-Monk
Feb. 5, 2013 at 6:41pmNow I know where Dog the Bounty Hunter got the idea for his haircut….
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SUNTZU
Feb. 5, 2013 at 7:17pmAfter reading most of the comments here,
all I can say is if this is what we have
come down to.
GOD HELP US ALL.
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Keatonc333
Feb. 5, 2013 at 7:22pmHAHAHA!!! those protestors couldn’t run fast enough!
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The-Monk
Feb. 5, 2013 at 7:24pmTechnically speaking…. I’m not native to this planet.
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SendTheMeteors
Feb. 5, 2013 at 8:58pmWell, the guy has a point. People of European decent came in and committed genocide with the native Americans, with no small amount of help – despite all people being created equal – slave labor from Africa. We basically all but wiped them out and put them into ghettos like Hitler did to the Jews where many remain today. Am I wrong? I mean the guy has a point.
Hey folks, did you realize that the Republican leadership is changing their tune on the Dream Act and a path to citizenship? No? That’s because you get your news from FOX only but it’s true. Suddenly, in a mind blowing 180, Republicans are pushing for immigration reform. You know why? Because Republicans realize that the “Southern strategy” of appealing to prejudices like you have isn’t gonna win anymore elections. So, presto, a complete reverse of opinion.
I know you don’t believe it but you’ll be hearing more and more about this switcheroo in the coming weeks and months.
Yeah, the white guys for awhile. But the brown people are coming back. Even the smart Republicans are starting to understand.
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DSN397
Feb. 5, 2013 at 9:05pmKincade are your sure your ancestors were Celtic, sounds more like Frenchmen to me. I’m not an American Indian, but this man is absolutely right. The germs this man is addressing aren’t conquerors
they are parasites,. an obvious historian such as yourself, at least in your own mind, should bone up a little more on american history and not worry so much about ancient history.
If you ever bother to check please take note, and this is noteworthy:
The United States has never signed a treaty with the american indians, which it (the U.S.)
didn’t break.
I’m not talking Apache, Souix or Black Foot, I’m talking any american indians.
I’ve been to the reservations and it’s pathitic how these people have been, and still are being treated.
Perhaps Gates and Buffett’s money could be just as well spent here, as in Africa. It’s there money not
mine and they spend it as they wish, but a ride through Arizona might open some eyes.
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Kupo
Feb. 5, 2013 at 9:36pmFISH_BONE
Have you been on a reservation lately? Native Americans are still in the dark ages, pal.
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MSBrewer
Feb. 5, 2013 at 9:42pm@SENDTHEMETEORS
Someday either you, or your children, or their children will cry out from your chains. It won’t be a government force that relieves your suffering but instead it will likely be a southern, white, middle aged male who understood, through the traditions of his family and the history of this once great nation, where all of this was heading. Sure there will be other races of people involved, but it seems the ‘brown’people, as you put it, are falling for the lies of progressivism. The mean to rule over you, not rule for you.
Crack open a historical work, you son do not understand history.
(I use son not because you may or may not be younger than me, I use it because you have a child’s mind.)
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3monkeysmomma
Feb. 5, 2013 at 10:00pm@Kupo
Most Native Americans don’t live on reservations ‘Pal”.
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sillyfreshness
Feb. 5, 2013 at 10:12pmNative American man is wrong. Indians didn’t have immigration laws when Europeans arrived. They didn’t have property laws either. He can’t say Europeans were illegal when no such law existed. Europeans brought laws with them when they arrived.
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A_CALL_TO_CONSCIENCE
Feb. 5, 2013 at 11:04pm@THEGREATCARNAC
I’ve got a lot of German in me (and a ton of Portuguese) and since the Romans were conquered by Germanic tribes, I feel that it is within my right to give you Rome. You’re welcome.
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Kupo
Feb. 5, 2013 at 11:29pmmonkeysmama
You don’t say! Wow, I totally didn’t know that…. The point was that reservations; in other words those places meant to preserve Native American sovereignty, law, and culture; are, by and large, poverty-stricken cesspools.
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DYNA
Feb. 5, 2013 at 11:47pmThe different indian tribes were engaged in territorial wars of their own. Not all, but in the 1500′s some engaged in slowly pealing the flesh off of live captives.
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Jarhead 88
Feb. 6, 2013 at 12:41amThey should have fought harder, you get land by blood and sweat, they didn’t have enough, they lost. That is life and someone else wants this land right now and if we (Americans) don’t fight for it, we will go the same way. I’ll fight to my death for it. Those are my words of life and they have iron.
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Vegasdad702
Feb. 6, 2013 at 4:47amInteresting fact, europeans may very well have been the first so called “Natives” to north America. WHAT??? Don’t believe me??? Google “Spirit Caveman”. The oldest bones ever discovered in America. Guess what?? They weren’t American indian! Say WHAT???? Theres also other examples, but Spirit Caveman is the absolute oldest example. Enjoy! ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWiFswizw18
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libertarianchristian
Feb. 6, 2013 at 5:44amnot disagreeing with his arguments at all or yours fishbone….but even the dark ages were more more technologically advanced than the most high tech native americans. on average they were stone age, at best they were the mayans and aztecs as advanced as ancient babylon without the bronze….
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tnw71
Feb. 6, 2013 at 7:58am@ fishbone – Indian Chief ‘Two Eagles’ was asked by a white government official, ‘You have observed the white man for 90 years. You’ve seen his wars and his technological advances. You’ve seen his progress, and the damage he’s done.’
The Chief nodded in agreement.
The official continued, ‘Considering all these events, in your opinion, where did the white man go wrong?’
The Chief stared at the government official for over a minute and then calmly replied. ‘When white man find this land, Indians running it, no taxes, no debt, plenty buffalo, plenty beaver, clean water. Women did all the work, Medicine man free. Indian man spend all day hunting and fishing; all night having sex.’
Then the chief leaned back and smiled.
‘Only white man dumb enough to think he could improve system like that.’
Tough to argue with that.
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atechgeek
Feb. 6, 2013 at 7:59am@KUPO :
” The point was that reservations; in other words those places meant to preserve Native American sovereignty, law, and culture; are, by and large, poverty-stricken cesspools.”
The Native American society is poverty stricken via European Law. As for stuck in the stone ages, drunks, or whatever .. do me a favor and imagine 99% of your culture murdered by invaders. Let see you get up for work the next day or decade.
This guy totally has a point. And Native Americans were far from savages and lived the lives many of us dream of today. Camping, hunting, fishing .. etc .. (albeit for survival) What do the conformists do ? .. sit in freaking cubes working hard to make other people rich. They didn’t have taxes or government, fueds were settled by diplomacy and if not battles. All in all they had a great life in a great country that the European stole from them.
If you want to win next election .. get a Native American on the ballot.
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stage9
Feb. 6, 2013 at 8:06amAnd if it weren’t for white Europeans he’d still be running around in the woods in his underwear.
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atechgeek
Feb. 6, 2013 at 8:08am@sillyfreshness :
That is the dumbest reasoning I have ever heard for mass genocide. The Europeans brought laws that suited them .. not all men. Your reasoning is exactly what led to where we are today … you and I both are about to be put in chains. You are a fool.
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atechgeek
Feb. 6, 2013 at 8:15am@libertarianchristian :
Do you hear yourself … high and mighty .. I tell you what .. if you had a time machine and could go back to those European arrival days .. I bet you would choose to live with the Native American versus the white European. The Native Americans were much more sophisticated and spiritual than any European pos. Do you realize how hygienically nasty the white man was back then ? The Native American was quite the opposite. The lack of historical education on this thread is appalling.
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atechgeek
Feb. 6, 2013 at 8:21am@Vegasdad702 :
So by your line of reasoning, Europeans also conquered the Native Europeans .. aka Cave Man.
Brilliant.
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stage9
Feb. 6, 2013 at 8:32am@ATECHGEEK
You say say silly fresh has said the dumbest thing you’ve ever heard but then you write the dumbest thing I’VE EVER HEARD!
Silly fresh is right. Indians were warring with one another long before we came along and we DID indeed institute laws and civilized culture when we arrived. And to say that they only brought laws that suited them is foolishly narrow.
There were periods of friendship and kinship with the Indians and there were periods of war and terror, and none of these events can be lumped into one. Because the values of the Pilgrims were far different than the idiotic values of Andrew Jackson. And these two were separated by many years. With peaceful Americans also came those who lusted for wealth and greed and power. On the Mayflower there were deeply committed and peaceful Christians, but there were also drunks and those seeking wealth. Thus the need for the Mayflower Compact, the first law instituted in the new world.
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Locked
Feb. 6, 2013 at 8:40am@Fish_Bone
“If not for pale face coming, the indigenous people of North America would still be sitting in a stretched buffalo hide, smoking peyote and occasionally hacking off the scalps of the respective members of the neighboring village. The “Native American” culture was advancing at slightly less than the speed of cold tar. They should be thankful whitey came to pull them out of the dark ages.”
You know, I really, REALLY hope that (if they exist) aliens never use this logic to justify murdering off over 95% of us.
“It took you Earthlings tens of thousands of years to even learn how to write! You should be thanking us for conquering you! Look! Now you know real space ships exist! Now, you go sit in the most inhospitable parts of the Earth while we take over and exploit all the natural resources. You’re so lucky!”
I’m of the opinion that it’s over and done with and we need to move on, but that doesn’t mean denigrating the genocide our ancestors committed or white-washing history.
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atechgeek
Feb. 6, 2013 at 8:50am@stage9 : Anyone justifying genocide, which is what silly fresh is doing, is sick.
And your response .. I know you are but what am I … Nice … What are you ? 5 years old. Geez.
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SocialismSuxEveryday
Feb. 6, 2013 at 8:54am@Senddoverthemeathead- The Bible suggests that slavery happened before the white people in northern europe could write. I guess they didn’t invent slavery after all the hype and speculation of enlightened educators. Most Bible events took place in the Near East and Africa – where slavery and genocide are currently unchecked by – northern european peace types. Oh and Christian Northern European types were the operative force behind the abolishion of slavery. As for your observation of the Dems/Repubs – they are opposite sides of the same coin. Both want control of your life you putz. Theirs are power plays to grab the loot. Both sides are looting the treasury for personal gain. The more repugnant of the two are the Dems, but not by much. 1.2 million babys are killed each year in the US alone. Now Planned Parrenthood has gotten permission from the Commie in Chief to sell the carcases off for medical experimentation. Fetus farming for stem cell research. Maybe that could grow into some new food source – soylent green perhaps!
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jens63
Feb. 6, 2013 at 9:37amIt is sad and it is past history, like slavery is past history. We have to live in the present, and lets have a little respect doing it please. The native americans lived off the land, not a bad thing to do. They don’t deserve your insults
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NewCreationDave
Feb. 6, 2013 at 9:56am@SocialistSlayer
Hos 4:6 my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.
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GhostOfJefferson
Feb. 6, 2013 at 10:03am@Ruben
Your celtic anscestors were conquered by the Romans, eh? Brythonic celt I assume, or Parisii? My celtic anscestors scared the living hell out of the Romans and they put up a demarcation wall to warn Romans to travel no further north, lest they run into scary large men wearing kilts and wielding horse sized swords. :)
I sympathize with the AmerInd plight, but fact is, they had no “law” against immigration, so we can’t be here illegally. They had no unity nor cohesion, no borders and no concept of nation, state or even modest size town. The Europeans could easily have been wiped out if the AmerInds adopted European strategies and tactics, but they didn’t until it was far too late, and they lost to superior knowledge and experience.
So this guy is wrong, no, no illegals here of European descent (regarding way back when). You have to have a law to break, before it can be broken.
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lapitup
Feb. 6, 2013 at 10:52amJ… You are exactly right 100 percent. I am now reading a short story named “Narrative of the captivity and restoration of Mrs. Mary Rowlandson” By Mary White Rowlandson. our predecessors did concur. And many of them also paid through blood sweat and tears as well. That is what war is all about, Paying for something through Blood whether it be for Land, Drugs, Religion or Freedom. Through their blood we have earned our space in history in this land.
A few months ago I was confronted from an American Mexican that wanted to teach me his hate monger, He thought he had my ear to listen, but I knew all to well what he was wanting to preach. One night he came preaching as he was drunk, unknowingly he started to call me a racist – Just because I was white, Went on to preach to me that I was here illegal and on December 22 there was going to be uprising taking back what was theirs. At this point I got angry and kicked him out of where I worked and told him not to come back. I then told him that the only way I was leaving this land (The only land I have known) was if my blood sunk in to the dirt. He seemed as shocked as I was from what he was saying. Needless to say December 22 came and went with nothing and he still has not returned.
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YOURSENSEI
Feb. 6, 2013 at 11:30amThis is what you must know:
Man’s got a point.
it is so.
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sjpru
Feb. 6, 2013 at 11:38am@sendthemeteors..you are ABSOLUTELY IGNORANT..War “genocide” started when lucifer thought he could defeat God and St Michael the Archangel won – lucifer/satan/devil was thrown to earth and wars 24/7 – cain & able; greeks; egyptians; romans; huns; mongols; vikings; druids; saxons; slaves; checz & hundreds of european tribes; incas; mayans; aztecs; hutus; zulu & hundreds of african tribes; tootsies; muslims & hundreds of arab tribes; christians; jews; chinese, japanese, koreans, english; french; spanish; dutch; italians; north american indians; americans..EVERY SINGLE GROUP from the beginning of time had slaves and warred for land, food, wealth and people..eventually the majority of the brown people not enslaved by murdering evil brown dictators, were defeated by white people…then white people defeated the nazis, fascists, marxist, imperialists and most communists…currently all 3rd world cesspools are brown, communist or muslim…@sendthemeteors before you revel in the possibility that republicans will cave on the illegal alien argument celebrating “brown people coming back” remember the FACTS – the majority of ALL crime, drug addiction, ignorance, illegitimacy, murder & unemployment occur in “3rd world villages” in democrat cities, counties & states with a majority “brown” population..the Democratic Party is run by white liberals, socialist, progressive, marxists, fascists, communists..racists..who despise & use brown people to obtain power…remember obama is half
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Rob in Katy
Feb. 6, 2013 at 1:17pmJust as the Natives fought to keep their way, I think we should be able to fight to keep our way. As far as placing blame, we don’t punish the child for the crimes of the father, but the child should not benefit from those crimes either. So, please pardon me if I don’t really care what my ancestors DIDN’T do hundreds of years ago or that I choose to fight to keep my way of life today.
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BryanB
Feb. 6, 2013 at 3:10pmThe people that monitor The Blaze are ignorant !!!!!
I used an abbreviated word “Mongol” (Mongoloid) as a description of physical anthropology of Native Americans. And the Blaze removed the post.
Native Americans are nether Caucasoid or Negroid and have historical and anthropological origins to Asia. And this is scientifically undisputed.
So you Blaze monitors must ignorant, or on some power trip………
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Thomas_Jefferson
Feb. 6, 2013 at 4:56pmSpeaking as a Native American (Iroquois), That angry Indian in this video is only spewing whats been told him which means his knowledge about our people is limited. When our ancestors came here 20 thousand years ago (Crossing the great land bridge), There was already a race of red hair people living here. They disappeared after my people showed up.
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Livia
Feb. 6, 2013 at 6:47pm“Native Americans were conquered.”
No! Native Americans were SLAUGHTERED! There is a huge difference. You might ought to read history sometimes and find out just what the situation was. Don’t depend on what you were taught in school! Try “Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee” The White people came in and ruined this country, the blood of Native Americans drenched the soil of this country. No conquering to it. It was cold blooded MURDER. If I was still in Tucson, I would be standing with this man.
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rulken
Feb. 7, 2013 at 4:54amThis is the same old argument that the,”losers”, use every time. If they had won the war against the “white man”, then they would have had a large portion of the United States as we know it, but they didn’t! We won and, “to the victor goes the spoils” ! Fact is, the American Indians fought each other, as much as the white men, instead of banning together to be victorious. We won the war so get over it! Same goes for the Mexicans living in the lower southern American, and west coast. It was called the Mexican-American War! We won, and annexed the land into the States. All those that were here, were allowed to stay, and be a part of this great nation. We didn’t march them back to Mexico at the point of a gun, saying you can’t come here! Those that stayed here, assimilated into the “American way of life”.
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GroundZero is Nuclear Demolition x3
Feb. 7, 2013 at 9:18amI saw this footage over a year ago, here is the OP: http://youtu.be/_LLaPQgDgK0
Glad to see the blaze catching up.
All those extra letters aren’t necessary, RUBE is more appropriate.
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chicago76
Feb. 7, 2013 at 9:52amActually, interesting because the illegals are using their Indian lands for entrance into our country and hurting them in the process.
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oceandove
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:23pmI was born in the USA. I AM a NATIVE AMERICAN. My ancestors are from Ireland and Sweden. The American Indians are also immigrants to this Nation. Did they get permissions to come?
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The_Jerk
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:27pmTell Tonto to shove it where the sun don’t shine.
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SocialistSlayer
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:30pmI guess whoever got here first has priority !
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3monkeysmomma
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:39pmBeing born in the USA makes you a citizen…not a NATIVE AMERICAN, moron.
Sincerely, a REAL NATIVE AMERICAN.
Having said that, I do think we need to close the borders and deport the illegals.
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joarivera
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:39pmBe real, you are not a Native American. You are a white american!
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oceandove
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:51pmSome of you need to look up the word NATIVE. I AM a Native American.
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joarivera
Feb. 5, 2013 at 6:05pmOCEANDOVE, be realistic, you are not a Native American! Since you mentioned that you are of Ireland and Sweden descent, maybe you should go back there.
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3monkeysmomma
Feb. 5, 2013 at 6:06pm@OceanDove
From Dictionary.com
Def. Native American: “A member of any of the indigenous peoples of the Americas.”
Do you need to look up the word “indigenous”?
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SocialistSlayer
Feb. 5, 2013 at 6:15pmThe native Indians were not “native” to America originally either – They were immigrants once just like everyone else.
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oceandove
Feb. 5, 2013 at 6:46pmI will go by the FIRST definition in the dictionary, NOT the third.
1. being the place or environment in which a person was born or a thing came into being: one’s native land.
I AM a NATIVE American. They need to choose a term that better defines them.
3monkeysmomma
Feb. 5, 2013 at 8:51pmPoor Oceandove, he took an IQ test and the results were “negative”.
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phillipwgirard
Feb. 5, 2013 at 9:37pmOCEANDOVE Is right, I was born in America, which makes my native land America, Hence forth I am a Native American, The term native American as goes the American Indian is just a crock of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, Native is native thats that,,,
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3monkeysmomma
Feb. 5, 2013 at 10:03pmOh dear God. I surrender. Some of you people are HOPELESSLY STUPID. Please don’t go out in public and identify yourselves as “conservatives” and embarrass the rest of us.
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Rayblue
Feb. 6, 2013 at 12:23amWhat we have heah is failure to communicate.
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Zipit
Feb. 6, 2013 at 7:46am3 Monkey’s! You funny lady!!!
INDIGENOUS; 1 : produced, growing, living, or occurring naturally in a particular region or environment……….AND?
I guess I’m a Native American too!
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SacredHonor1776
Feb. 6, 2013 at 8:09amAnd to the the Amish everyone outside of their communities are the English.
“I am quite clear in the opinion that children born in the United States of alien parents, who have never been naturalized, are native-born citizens of the United States, and, of course, do not require the formality of naturalization to entitle them to the rights and privileges of such citizenship. I might sustain this opinion by a reference to the well-settled principle of the common law of England on this subject; to the writings of many of the earlier and later commentators on our Constitution and laws; … and lastly to the dicta and decisions of many of our national and state tribunals. But all this has been well done by Assistant Vice Chancellor Sandford, in the case of Lynch vs. Clarke, and I forbear. I refer to his opinion for a full and clear statement of the principle, and of the reasons and authorities for its support.”-Edward Bates, 1862
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SacredHonor1776
Feb. 6, 2013 at 8:11amGeneral Edwards Pierrepont, 1875;
“Under the treaty [of 1868 with Germany], and in harmony with American doctrine, it is clear that Steinkauler the father abandoned his naturalization in America and became a German subject (his son being yet a minor), and that by virtue of German laws the son acquired German nationality. It is equally clear that the son, by birth, has American nationality, and hence he has two nationalities, one natural, the other acquired. …. Young Steinkauler is a native-born American citizen. There is no law of the United States under which his father or any other person can deprive him of his birthright. He can return to America at the age of 21, and in due time, if the people elect, he can become President of the United States…. I am of opinion that when he reaches the age of 21 years he can then elect whether he will return and take the nationality of his birth, with its duties and privileges, or retain the nationality acquired by the act of his father.”
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SacredHonor1776
Feb. 6, 2013 at 8:28amhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause
So what can we learn from the “natural-born citizen clause” from old stuffy attorneys from the 1800′s?
Well that the child of two foreigners is a ‘native-born’. In their lawyer/attorney speak, not mine…
Would they have also argued that a child born form two US citizens were also ‘native-born’ in legalize speak?
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SacredHonor1776
Feb. 6, 2013 at 8:52amIf you really want to get into the irony of it all, “American” or “America” are European terms, taken from the name Amerigo Vespucci, the Italian explorer.
It land was never called America before Amerigo came around. Some may argue that “American/America” is a term that represents being forceably given a name by a foreign European invader. This is silly of course. But I think that’s why some prefer the term “First Peoples” or “First Nations” (although such terms may also be innacurate depending on the history of each particular tribal ethnicity, and there involvement of conquering, killing or enslaving other nearby tribes). Absolutley no confusion over the legal term “native”, and the socio-anthropological term “native”, or any other definitions out there.
How can political correctness go wrong?
http://www.isteve.com/2002_name_game_inuit_or_eskimo.htm
Or we could just all be Americans, and stop trying to trying to categorize ourselves into subgroups, playing off of racism and bigotry.
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jens63
Feb. 6, 2013 at 9:37amIt is sad and it is past history, like slavery is past history. We have to live in the present, and lets have a little respect doing it please. The native americans lived off the land, not a bad thing to do. They don’t deserve your insults.
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SquidVetOhio
Feb. 7, 2013 at 9:12am“Everybody is stupid except me!”
- 3MONKEYSMOMMA
Riddle me this. I’m 1/8th Cherokee from my grandfather who was 1/2, one German grandmother, one English grandmother and an Irish grandfather. All of my grandparents are at least 3rd generation Americans. Is that good enough to be considered Native? Or does my family have to pre-date the Babylonian Empire in your book?
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KevINtampa
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:23pmActually… the oldest skeleton found in North America to date is of caucasian descent.
What we refer to as Native Americans are of Asian descent via passage over the Bering Strait.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States
http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf109/sf109p02.htm
Not that any of this matters anyways, I suggest we leave acting like Palestinians to Palestinians.
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truthnstuff
Feb. 5, 2013 at 7:12pmMore accurately, I think, they would be refereed to as first occupiers.
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Witness1974
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:22pmIf only the ancestors had it together enough to have had immigration laws. They were too busy slaughtering one another I suppose. Actually I am not unsympathetic toward the plight of the indigenous people of America. But, they were only indigenous relative to the European newcomers. They all arrived here from somewhere else at some point in time. Nevertheless, the history of our treaty making with the various tribes is not something to be proud of to say the least. Like most peoples in history they got the nasty end of the stick. No one group has a monopoly on suffering at the hands of others.
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linearnonlinear
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:22pmI hate to burst his bubble but Native Americans are not Native to this continent. Study of the Genome has it’s origins on the second wave out of Africa through Northern Europe.
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3monkeysmomma
Feb. 5, 2013 at 6:17pmyeah, 11 to 14 thousand years ago. Hardly the same thing
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Lord_Frostwind
Feb. 6, 2013 at 2:45amI sincerely doubt that any single group held an area for that long Monkey. You speak as though they were one group of people, but there were many nations that fought for territory. Nations rose, fell, and went extinct without the intervention of the White Man for thousands of years.
Unfortunately for them, we were much more talented in the art of war than the people currently occupying the territory.
Now if they would be so bold as to strike against us to regain what was theirs, I would be happy to oblige them. But just like so many, the vocal parties pout and throw a fit, hoping for some meager donation of charity. And somehow they still have the gall to paint it as a black and white, “I’m the poor pitiful victim” never acknowledging what their own ancestors did the same thing to those who came before.
Well, at least they are right about that “pitiful” part of the story.
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SovereignSoul
Feb. 6, 2013 at 4:44pmWait…the Earth is only 6,000 years old. Something doesn’t add up.
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Zipit
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:21pmYat Ta Hey, there Big Chief Knucklehead!!!! I’m sure that at some point way back in history, your people migrated to the land that you claim was stolen from you! My advice to you, get Elizabeth Warren to take up your cause! The government has done such wonderful things for “your people”!!!!!!
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1HonestInjun
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:21pmIt’s been 600 years get over it. We all are one people. However, we must follow the laws of our
land and constitution today. Aliens are illegals and by our government not applying the law we
have one heck of a mess. Thank you DC.
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mecbb55
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:43pm600 years since what? contact? when was the last boarding school closed? when was the native american religious freedom act passed? when were native nations finally allowed to sue the federal government? ’bout 600 years ago i reckon.
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3monkeysmomma
Feb. 5, 2013 at 6:37pmFYI: Native American women were being abducted and forcibly sterilized in the 1930′s.
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Keatonc333
Feb. 5, 2013 at 7:26pmwait so the trail of tears coincided with Columbus finding the Americas.
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booger71
Feb. 5, 2013 at 7:51pmAs one poster correctly stated, the oldest dated human artifacts found in North America were 11-14,000 years old. The “native Americans” that were here even when the Vikings came here, are not the same race of people that were here 11-14,000 years ago. At some point, IMMIGRANTS from both the north and south came here and slaughtered the original Americans.
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SocialismSuxEveryday
Feb. 6, 2013 at 10:16am@3monkeysmomma – Part of the turn of the century progressives agenda was “controlling” certain people groups. Margret Sanger _ Planned Parenthood icon_ wanted abortion to keep a check on the black and yellow people populations ( worked didn’t it – 50% of all abortions are done on only 13% of the population) Social engineering by government – Hiltler/Lennin/Stalin/Mao/Rosevelt/Kennedy would be proud. The state in control of your life with a “Political” class above the rest. Socialism which sux everyday
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JRserious
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:21pmand if we werent here the Nazis, Japanese or Russions wouldnt have exterminated them.
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Keatonc333
Feb. 5, 2013 at 6:20pmwe took care of that long before there were any nazis
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BryanB
Feb. 5, 2013 at 10:34pm@Keatonc333
Thats funny because I remember something about Native Americans fighting in WWII. It must have been your imagination…….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKDLQWEvubc
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Git-R-Done
Feb. 5, 2013 at 10:37pmKeaton – Typical Marxist that hates America and considers it a racist country.
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Walkabout
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:20pmThe Atlantic is an artificially drawn line much like the Rio Grande. It was just a little wider is all. the Europeans & American Indians were next door neighbors.
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Mapache
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:19pmAnd the white guys took the land from the Native Americans just like the Native Americans took the land from other Native Americans. Wars have been fought for thousands of years and everyone’s land has been taken at one time or another…stop whining because you lost. If you want we can go down the list of Tribes destroying other tribes and taking their land, women and children. There is no crying!
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3monkeysmomma
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:59pmWell, you remember that when the Asians and the Mexicans and the Blacks take America away from you.
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DLV
Feb. 5, 2013 at 9:58pm3m- he has got a point. Not saying it’s right but he does have a point. And no those people groups won’t take America from us, they may outnumber us at some point but not kick us out and kill us I don’t think.
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DonaldH
Feb. 6, 2013 at 5:30amYou have a point there!! Let me guess,, you support gun control?
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woodyee
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:18pm“You’re all ******* illegal! You’re all illegal,” the Native American man screamed at protesters. “We didn’t invite none of you here.”
Wow! what an intelligent comment! Obviously a graduate from one of our ‘esteemed’ schools for ‘learned’ individuals.
Hmm…let’s look at his possible choices for a solution to his dilemma – We could ALL leave…not gonna happen…or does he want to side with welcoming in another 20million with all their baggage?
Inquiring minds want to know…
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Walkabout
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:24pmPretty much 200 to 250 million people are not going to decamp & go to Europe.
If they did & were that hangdog the Russian or the Chinese would take it as an invitation to walk in & do as they please. After all if you leave the home of your birth because someone conned you into it, who would stop the Russians or Chinese?
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glassaudioguy
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:51pmExactly my question. If anyone should be against the effects of unregulated immigration it ought to be that guy!
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SREGN
Feb. 6, 2013 at 8:18amWe didn’t steal this country from the Indians. We stole it from the British. You got a beef about colonization? Go talk to them.
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jbentley777
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:17pmI’m enough native american to actually have a say in this argument, so I will.
My mother was half piute indian and my father is irish.
Neither my father nor my mother had anything to do with the taking of this land. Follow the law or get out!
Ok I’m done
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BODYBAG
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:22pmLets ask Elizabeth Warren. She’s a squaw.
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chips1
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:40pmDoes she braid her armpits? Does she bowl? She could be Polish.
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3monkeysmomma
Feb. 5, 2013 at 6:12pm@Chips
Most native American people have very little body hair. My Grandmother never had to shave her legs because she had no hair growing there. Every see a Native American guy with a full beard or a hairy chest?
Glad I could enlighten you. You are welcome.
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3monkeysmomma
Feb. 5, 2013 at 6:41pm@JBently
I’m also native american and I agree. No one is more aware of the folly of open borders than our people…but the arrogence of some of these folks (too bad. You lost!) Is just begging for divine retribution. God help us all.
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DonaldH
Feb. 5, 2013 at 7:49pmI’m just as native to this land as anyone alive today— this guys ancestors walked here on a land-bridge— mine arrived on a boat— Big deal– I’m still a native to this land…
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...sam
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:17pmstupid….dudes pissed about some crap that really does not amount to a hill of beans at this time…what?? does he want some reperations? where is his freaking casino???well damm where is mine?? freaking grow up…we are supposed to be sorry for something we had nothing to do with…hey jack! tough break for your great great great grand pappy….but we really had nothing to do with it…white guilt is for the guilty
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UBETHECHANGE
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:15pmI’m legal, Mr. Fullofhate. Mr. Fullofhate would still be living in a teepee, rubbing two sticks together, and crapping in the woods, if it weren’t for colonialists. Praying for his hate-filled soul.
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TheIggies
Feb. 5, 2013 at 6:39pmYeah? And? So? What’s wrong with that. Better than having all your women rapedd by white men all day long. We owe the native Americans of this country everything. Including the whole country.
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Git-R-Done
Feb. 5, 2013 at 10:38pmTheggies – Then why don’t you leave this country if you have so much white guilt. And you would be whining and crying if you didn’t have all of the technologies to make your life easier that were invented by white people.
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pragmaticpatriot
Feb. 6, 2013 at 9:49amDisparage the Native Americans all you want, they are a proud people who were true conservatives, self sufficient and fought like hell to be free. Now conquered are Liberals, chained to entitlement and bitter over what they dont have. How long until the UN has us all on a reservation speaking Esperanto?
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Gonzo
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:15pmIsn’t that the same argument Neanderthals had with Cro-Magnon man?
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woodyee
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:19pmNo – it’s the same argument Neanderthal had with Modern man, and the Neanderthals, as evident by the video, are sore losers…
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13th Imam
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:28pmPiltdown Man is PO’ed. I read this on East Anglia University’s website
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Cavallo
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:30pmHa! Love it.
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RDavis49
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:14pmBeing part Choctaw, I have to say that “To the victor goes the spoils”. Now to the arrogance, greed and destruction of the white man, you people have just about ruined what onece was a bountiful nation of resources. Soon, none of us will have much of anything left for our future generations of Americans. Thanks-A-Lot A**HOLES …….
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Clownzilla
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:18pmLol
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KevINtampa
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:25pmSo Davis do you recommend genocide or what to fix these issues?
Enough rhetoric, what soecifically do you think will solve the chewing up of the beautiful North American resources?
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SocialismSuxEveryday
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:30pmYes! The stone age life for us all. Tribal warfare and racial intolerance never existed among the tribes, just peace, love and peyote. Reconstructionist historians leave out the problem of native american animous for competing tribes. Rape, murder, genocide and slavery existed here before the white man came to these shores as it has in every inhabitable continent in the world. The white man became more competent and restrained at it with available technology.
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toomuchgovt
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:14pmGet over it, the Indians lost, so did the Mexicans. War is hell and there are winners and losers*
*Except when “that guy” is president we just spend money we don’t have arm a bunch of crazies, train them how to fight and disarm American, then brig our troops home to an American they can’t recognize and wonder why they all have ptsd.
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Polarized America
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:13pm.
…Where’s the “flipping out part ‘ ?
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MCON29
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:11pmGreat language to be using in front of the child in the stroller. And they were spilling their own blood long before the europeans landed here. As far as anything else goes, we were born here making us just as native.
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BODYBAG
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:21pmI also think there were beads and fire-water exchanged.
I see a legit argument for legal contract.
Being a good negotiator is not a crime.
And being stupid is your own fault.
I have great respect for Native American Indians.
They were very noble, honorable people.
But this guy’s proclamation is dumb.
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13th Imam
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:10pmEach different tribe committed mass atrocities on each other. By this time most would have been exterminated. And by carrying this timeline back the only people that should be allowed on earth are the one group of original Africans. Get over it, Tonto
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comforteagle
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:35pmWe are all part of the original group of humans/africans. you and me both…. so i guess your point is valid
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dd41
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:08pmWhere is Elizabeth Warren when you need her?
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Frogdaddy
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:23pmlol
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Frogdaddy
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:26pmWhile we’re at it, Spain wants Mexico back
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firman
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:39pmI don’t have my glasses on…Is that Ward Churchill?
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ysgrifennu
Feb. 6, 2013 at 5:44pmGood one DD41.
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Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:07pmHe’s right, except not ALL the land was stolen, and that’s IF he is full native American with no European blood at all.
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IMCHRISTIAN
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:06pmIf we are going way back, then where did the very first Indian come from? How did we all come to be on earth. I know but do you. For sure, I know I was born here and am an American citizen.
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Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:13pmAFAIK, they were Mongolians that came across the Bering Land bridge. From the Eskimos to the Apaches, I would bet that their DNA is similar.
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IMCHRISTIAN
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:31pmThank you Anon. God Bless
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firman
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:41pmDNA..Is that the defeated native american league?
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chips1
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:57pmDNA isn’t the absolute clue. Was he wearing Bruno Molley shoes?
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spirited
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:03pmWithout reservation
>he yelled.
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mrja
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:45pmhaha, very punny!
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Nevermind
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:01pmThe man does make a valid point
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Clownzilla
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:16pmNo he doesn’t. We civilized a land that had no law or ownership.All these people were tribal and there was no “United States”. Sure, there were some moral wrongdoings but there was nothing illegal about it. I also find it interesting that we are illegal yet this guy probably gets a lot of benefits from this “illegal” government. and all the “illegal citizens” that made their world a better place. Hey, get off my illegal paved road!
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AvengerK
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:24pmsee that laptop you’re posting your drivel with NEVERMIND? See that iPhone you supposedly can’t live with out? If white settlement didn’t take place in this country you’d have to be sending your drivel with smoke signals.
You’re welcome idiot.
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mecbb55
Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:57pm“sure there were some moral wrongdoings but there was nothing illegal about it”
you sir show an astonishing ignorance of federal indian policy, state law, us law and english common law. andrew jackson is rolling over in his grave knowing that there are still people so ill informed as yourself. then again if you can simply nullify catastrophic evil and the wiping out of 100′s of millions of people as ‘some moral wrongdoings’ then what do things like facts matter anyways? “Civilize” is the last thing that “we” did to this land but if you say it enough times then i suppose it may come true.
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3monkeysmomma
Feb. 5, 2013 at 6:01pm@Nevermind
I agree. Philosophically he right.
Practically, I don’t want to be overrun by illegals.
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TheIggies
Feb. 5, 2013 at 6:41pmLol there was nothing “illegal” about it because we hadn’t written the laws making it legal yet, right?
Genius. Send this many back to grade school.
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DLV
Feb. 5, 2013 at 10:04pmmec- lol that weren’t hundreds of millions of natives killed. There weren’t even that many natives in total. I think you mistyped.
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andrew36
Feb. 6, 2013 at 4:42amTheiggies, how was it illegal. Every civiliasation in the world took over lands and killed natives, was it morally right, of course not but it happen. You want to compare todays society with society back then which is ridiculous, maybe you can point everyone to anything that shows it was illegal at the time, is there evidence of government being taken to court for killing natives, of course not because thats the way it was. My the way do you realise that it wasnt for what happen back then none of you would be alive. History shapes the future, with a different history there is a difference future.
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