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Homeland Security Soliciting Bids for Thousands of Rounds of Ammunition But Former SEAL Explains Why It’s Completely Normal

Feb. 7, 2013 11:59am Liz Klimas

Editor’s note: The 26.1 million rounds of ammo as originally reported was a miscalculation. We’ve updated this story to reflect the correct numbers and to explain the miscalculation.

On a semi-private website is a solicitation by the Department of Homeland Security for a total of 240,000 rounds of ammunition, which it is seeking to purchase from a small business. Although this might seem like a lot, sources tell us it is not out of the ordinary.

Going through the website FedBid, DHS’ Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Arteia, New Mexico, is putting out a call for the training ammunition through competitive bids, which have to be at least $10, according to the post. Here’s a breakdown of what it wants:

DHS Federal Law Enforcement Training Center Seeking to Purchase 26.1 Million Rounds of Ammunition

(Image: FedBid screenshot)

The FLETC in New Mexico includes programs for Border Patrol, TSA and Indian Affairs. Specialized programs like Firearms Instructor Training Program and Defensive Tactics Instructor Training Program are also conducted at the Artesia facility.

Mike Piccione for The Daily Caller pointed out that the 26.1 million rounds that was being reported was a miscalculation due to misinterpreting that the delivery was to be priced per 1,000 rounds. Here are Piccione’s calculations:

1. .40 cal. 100 quantities of a 1,000 round unit = 100,000 rounds

2. 9mm 115 grain, 100 quantities of a 1,000 round unit = 100,000 rounds

3. 9mm 124 grain ball, 40 quantities of a 1,000 round unit = 40,000 rounds

Total = 240,000 rounds

The website FedBid is an online marketplace where federal, state and local governments, as well as businesses, can buy items or services. According to a profile about FedBiz owner Ali Saadat in the Washington Business Journal, the website conducted $1.4 billion worth of federal transactions in 2012.

Saadat said the concept for FedBid is changing how people in the industry would traditionally seek out and respond to business, which often includes sending requests for proposals or requests for quotes.

“That time is gone. It all happens on the Internet and in a transparent way,” Saadat told the Washington Business Journal.

Going through FedBid’s home page, to try and search for requests for goods or services, it appears that one has to sign up to become a member as a buyer or seller in order to view the marketplace pages.

As for the ammunition being solicited by DHS with bids ending Feb. 11, here are a few examples to put the amount into perspective:

In 2012, defense contractor AKT was awarded a five-year contract to provide 450 million rounds (max) to DHS.
The government sought 175 million rounds of .223 caliber rifle ammo in 2012 as well.
Maj. Gen. Buford C. Blount III said in 2004 testimony to the Tactical Air and Land Forces Subcommittee of the Committee on Arms Services that soldiers used 72 million rounds in Iraq in 2003 and that their expenditure at the time was 5.5 million rounds per month.

At the time of ATK’s contract award for 450 million rounds last spring, TheBlaze’s Tiffany Gabbay wrote that while this might seem like a lot of ammo, it wasn’t unusual. Gabbay wrote gun experts saying that it was part of a practice by such agencies to spend any budget surplus on useful items before the end of the fiscal year. That could be what is going on with this latest request for ammo but we don’t know for sure.

Former Navy SEAL Brandon Webb, who runs the website SOFREP (the Special Operations Forces Report) told us in an email that everything on the list looks “perfectly normal” to him.

“It’s a training center for DHS so there going to need a lot, I mean a LOT, of ammo,” Webb wrote in an email. “Figure one day a guy will shoot through 500-1000 rounds a piece and it starts to add up.”

Featured image via Shutterstock.com.

(H/T: Drudge Report, InfoWars)

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Comments (268)

Gildersleeve
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:32pm
I neither hunt nor fish but I do like to plink with my .22 cal rifle. I can’t find a drop of .22 cal in my area. Uncle Adolph is on the march…..

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- FISH_BONE
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:51pm
  It is nearly impossible to find .22 LR anywhere.
  
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- naughtycal
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:53pm
  This is the most important part of this article
  At the time of ATK’s contract award for 450 million rounds last spring, TheBlaze’s Tiffany Gabbay wrote that while this might seem like a lot of ammo, it wasn’t unusual. Gabbay wrote gun experts saying that it was part of a practice by such agencies to spend any budget surplus
  We’re 16.5 trillion in debt any agency with a surplus at the end of the year needs to not spend that surplus but return it to take off it off the debt.
  THIS IS WHAT EVERY AGENCY AND GOVERNMENT ACROSS THE COUNTY DOES INSTEAD OF NOT SPENDING THEIR SURPLUS THEY BURN IT UP TO KEEP THE SAME BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR
  
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- Michigun
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:03pm
  This administration is an absolute disgrace to any one who truly loves this country. I never thought I would see the day when the American people would be forced to exercise their 2nd amendment rights. The 2nd amendment is not about hunting deer with 2 bullets. It is about defending ourselves from a tyrannical govt.
  
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- jcldwl
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:20pm
  22 ammo shortage now. Well I know that many people and myself as well are shooting 22′s. I am doing that as well to preserve my 9mm and 5.56 stockpile. I am glad I purchased 3500 rds of 22 before this apparent shortage. I’ll have to check my area for 22′s as well. Still no 9mm or 5.56 available anywhere.
  
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- FISH_BONE
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:23pm
  I just bought bulk 9mm and 38 specials at Cabelas last week. They had a fairly good supply of ammo, but still no .22 LR.
  
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- jcldwl
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:24pm
  Just check Cabela’s no 22 ammo listed on the web site….hmmm you know the government can use the same 22 conversion kit on their m4′s for training that I use on my AR 15. In fact when I went to basic training in 1983 that is what we used for rifle qualification.
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:27pm
  FISH_BONE, You betcha, the .22 is a very effective weapon in the right hands, and my son and I have several of these, just not suppressed.
  http://www.ruger1022.com/docs/israeli_sniper.htm
  
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- cnsrvtvj
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:56pm
  Barack Obama and his administration have done more for the gun industry than King George. This DHS buying up of ammunition and food has been going on for quite some time now. Makes me wonder about Jesse Ventura and his detention camp stories. We need to stop the PC stuff and start checking this stuff out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z85X6im-4Qs
  
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- 00100111
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:13pm
  The attempt by gov, MSM, and now even Blaze to deflate the very obvious ammo grab for the upcoming civil unrest is laughable. Come on, guys, we can all see through this. You’re doing this all in plain sight, laughing while most people don’t even look at you. We’re looking at you. We are staring right at you. We’re a step ahead of you. It’s almost funny watching the ambushed think they’re the ones doing the ambushing.
  
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- Oldmantex
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:19pm
  Well if a Navy seal says its normal, I guess its normal. We are not supposed to question anything from the Blaze or Glenn anymore.
  
  Don’t ask what type of ammo they have been ordering, or if its considered training ammo.
  
  Nope its all good, a seal member said its normal, i’m sure that he had extensive experience in ordering and purchasing ammo for DHS while serving as a seal team member. In fact I bet he spent many hours going over what ammo types they need for training and quantities used per location.
  
  Seriously I respect our armed service members as much as anyone else, but putting SEAL in front of an article doesn’t mean he has a clue about government operations on purchase orders and reasons behind those orders. This is a silly article.
  
  In fact I am guessing it was only written this way because infowars already covered the story earlier today and just had information in it.
  
  This is really sad TheBlaze. YOUR reporting on this story contradicts itself. So you report on a story about government ammo purchases and say that its not a story, am I getting this correct?
  
  Oh wait I see this was just a sad attempt at trying to discredit infowars. I see, I see, what you are really saying is, “look this story isn’t a story and infowars was stupid for reporting on it because we had a SEAL tell us this is a normal PO.”
  
  Sad sad sad….
  
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- kadster01
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:31pm
  @00100111
  
  Yeah, there is some really weird shiite going on around here lately. It wasn’t that long ago that TheBlaze was breathlessly reporting the unprecedented amount of hollow points being ordered by the US Gov’t, but now we’re supposed to just accept it all as “business as usual” because some former SEAL said so? It really, REALLY sucks feeling like I can’t trust ANYONE!
  
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- jmgair
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:34pm
  Since when has anyone used these hollow point bullets for target practice and training exercises Seal Webb ? And more importantly the Geneva Convention prohibits the use of hollow point rounds against an enemy in time of war but is suspiciously silent about using them against our own citizens ??
  
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- vic138
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 3:00pm
  Hollow point ammunition is too expensive for target practice and can’t be used outside the US because of the geneva convention. Therefore, the only logical explanation is that it will be used on people within the US.
  
  Am I missing something?
  
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- turkey13
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 3:13pm
  Just got my Natchez cataloge today and just ordered .22 from them. I got CCI .22 blazer lr – box of 525 – 40 gr on sale for $18.80 + sipping.
  
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- LeFaux Jew
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 3:29pm
  22…ultimate survival weapon…..can carry 1K rounds no problem…quiet etc.
  
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- Gus McCray
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 3:35pm
  Ha ha .. a navy seal says everything’s cool. You people need to figure out Beck is controlled opposition . dont fight back just go to jail they can’t arrest us all. wanna bet. Beck is a Judas Goat leading alot of you to the slaughter. There is no pre-tribulation rapture you will have to go through hell on earth to get to heaven , And Beck aint no Texan & never will be.
  
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- mercenary4freedom
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 4:00pm
  When resupply is nil, hold the line with what you’ve got then take what you need off of a dead enemy combatant.
  
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- techengineer11
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 4:19pm
  Gildersleeve
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:32pm
  I neither hunt nor fish but I do like to plink with my .22 cal rifle. I can’t find a drop of .22 cal in my area. Uncle Adolph is on the march
  
  I think it was Uncle Joe along with Mr. Lenin who slaughtered 40 million of their own citizens..
  
  Why don’t you idiots read books instead of listening to jewish run Hollywood?
  
  My godness I’m so tired of the ignorance.. Some goon makes a suggestion and you just take it and run with it like it’s the gospel truth.
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 4:54pm
  MorsiENgineer69
  Point to the pesky Jews in this piece. Same narrative, same crap. How is your vest coming along?
  
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- RedHarley
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 4:59pm
  I am sorry to say I have to totally disagree with both of the “experts”.
  If you use a number of 1000 rounds a day for 45 people each day for 365 days it will take over 27 years just to shoot up the 450 million rounds. They have over a billion on order.
  How about the 7,000 full auto “personal defense weapons” ordered by DHS ?
  Folks, this makes sense in only one way……and it ain’t good !
  
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- ronin_6
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 5:12pm
  I have no problem finding .45 acp .22lr, .223 Rem, or any other ammo and I live in California. Only thing I have had trouble getting lately was some .38 Smith and Wesson for an antique I recently aquired and would like to shoot.
  
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- techengineer11
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 5:55pm
  Fubared
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 4:54pm
  MorsiENgineer69
  Point to the pesky Jews
  
  Be willing to bet with about 15 min of research one can find a lot of pesky Jews behind the creationa and arming to the teeth of the DHS.. Chertoff ring a bell?
  
  So how many Americans will your boys do in? More than they did in Russia? Gonna go for 50 million Americans?
  
  Shouldn’t be hard you know because about half of them will be on their knees worshipping you shady rats.
  
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- tzion
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 6:37pm
  @Tech
  The atrocities in Russia were perpetrated by both Jews and non-Jews against both Jews and non-Jews. That’s factual history. So don’t try and tell me that the Jews bear responsibility or that only non-Jewish Russians suffered. People like you accuse Jews of omitting non-Jewish Holocaust victims without any proof and then here you are ignoring hundreds of thousands of victims at least.
  
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- amtsoundsmith
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 6:38pm
  GUS MCCRAY- If you dislike Glenn so much then why are you not only visiting his website but have actually taken the time to create a Blaze account? Need some attention?
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 7:13pm
  Tzion
  In MorsiEngineers69′s world the Jews are causing harsh weather on the e coast this weekend. Reid, Pelosi, Obama, Clinton, and Kerry are all Jewish names or controlled by the pesky Jews. Juden for SillySally. Same crap, trying to slowly and ineffectively raise the reich. Nazi’s like this suck. Mostly they suck other nazi’s, but think we need to hear their pillow talk.
  
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- techengineer11
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 7:52pm
  Fubared
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 7:13pm
  Tzion
  
  Reid, Pelosi, and Kerry all married to Jews.. Kerry is Jewish. Obama and Clinton both Jewish puppets.. Completely selected anointed and supported by the Jewish Media along with the Jewish Banksters.. Look at their administrations.. Please! Don’t play all dumb.. Look at their Supreme Court picks.. You know they are puppets and are owned.
  
  Tzion: I do not accept that it was Russians and Jews… It was Marx and his Jewish hordes most responsible for that Revolution.. There’ were over 300 Jewish Commissars at one time in the Revolution! Please don’t try to play so stupid.
  
  Now did Stalin kill some Jews toward the end? Sure he did.. Big deal.. That would be like saying blacks don’t kill other blacks or whites killing whites.. Jews are alloowed to kill Jews and still be Jewish you know. Now I’m not sure Stalin was Jewish.. Many say he was.. He had Jewish wives we all know.
  
  Anyway Jews scare me.. They are far too radical and violent.
- Naps
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:12pm
  Normal? They purchased over a billion rounds of hollow point ammo in 2012 alone. Normal? Sounds to me like the Gov’t is preparing for civil unrest. Maybe it could be for the collapse of the dollar. Normal? Nice try Glenn. You Farkin Shill hypocrite!
  
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- AUsername
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:44pm
  Tech white christians are the troops killing people in other countries and law enforecement that tasers and beats you down to arrest you, your folks make it all happen.
  
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- tzion
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:45pm
  @Tech
  300? Out of how many Jews? 50,000? 100,000? 1 million? How representative! You have shown that less than 1% of Russia’s Jews were complicit. Oh sure they were slightly overrepresented among both factions but after centuries of persecution under the Czars of Russia is it really all that surprising that a small minority joined the revolution? After all, why do you think it happened in Russia and not in Germany, which is where Marx was from? Could it be because Germans were more content with their then current system, which had even gone as far as to make Jews citizens of equal status?
  
  And somehow these 300 hundred controlled a country of millions without the help or support of a single non-Jew? And you say I’m playing stupid? No wonder you’re afraid of Jews: you’ve given them way too much credit. Jews can’t even control themselves let alone millions of others. There hasn’t been any kind of central, universally recognized Jewish leadership for well over 2000 years and there likely won’t be in either of our lifetimes.
  
  By the way, Marx was dead long before the Russian revolution, neither Kerry nor either of his wives are Jewish, and as for Paul Pelosi, no Jew names their child Paul (a clearly Christian name). And in regards to Reid’s wife, she converted to Mormonism so of course she’s such a PERFECT example of what Jews are like. Might want to actually check your facts for once.
  
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- Obama_In_PeePee_Is_Becks_Art
  Posted on February 8, 2013 at 12:44am
  “Homeland Security Soliciting Bids for 26.1 Million Rounds of Ammunition”
  
  No need to worry about stockpiles. Just tupperware-party like it’s World War II at Normandy (after all, it’s YOUR tax dollars you’re taking back):
  http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/12/jack-baruth/stockholm-syndrome-newtown-and-the-liberator-pistol/
  “The FP-45 “Liberator” was a throwaway, sheet-steel affair, manufactured in bulk by General Motors in the days when they were the Arsenal of Democracy rather than the Recipient Of Government Assistance. The US Army planned to drop approximately a million of the single-shot, .45 ACP-chambered pistols into Occupied Europe. The stated purpose of the weapon was to enable Resistance fighters to kill soldiers and acquire a rifle or SMG, but the real purpose was to spread a little terror through the German ranks. The FP-45′s concealable nature meant that anybody could be carrying one at any time, so in theory the existence of the Liberators would have vastly increased the stress the occupying troops faced.”
  
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- DYNA
  Posted on February 8, 2013 at 2:14am
  To all of the above that have been discussing the Jews.
  It is amazing, but not surprising, as to how much of the world is preoccupied with those who are descendants of Jews. Not surprising because this is a manifestation of Biblical prophecy.
  
  More importantly though, even if you are right about all that is wrong with the world, it won’t save you.
  Jesus, the same yesterday, today , and forever, emphatically said, “you must be born again”.
  It takes His Holy Spirit to give life to the spiritually dead. God is the Father of spirits made alive in Christ Jesus, the sons and daughters of God. As many who believe in their heart that God raised Jesus from the dead and confess with their mouth that Jesus is Lord and Saviour, are made alive in Christ Jesus.
  
  All those who hunger and thirst for Gods righteousness, Jew and Gentile alike, will have the opportunity to hear His Word and accept it, or ignore/reject it. This is the free moral agency to choose.
  All those who are old enough to be aware of sin will have to choose this Life to escape death.
  
  His Holy Spirit bears witness of Jesus. Arguing with the world to get a consensus from the world won’t help. Without the Light the world is in darkness.
  
  Jesus the Christ, said that salvation is of the Jews. Jesus as a Jew without sin, fulfilled the law so that the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus delivers from the law of sin and death for all those who hear and believe.
  
  Being a descendant of gentiles or a descendant of
  
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- DYNA
  Posted on February 8, 2013 at 2:15am
  Being a descendant of gentiles or a descendant of Jews will not keep someone out of hell or provide a way to heaven.
  The flesh does not save anyone. But His Holy Spirit, by faith, will quicken or make alive the flesh.
  
  Without His Holy Spirit, the Comforter, to reveal His Word to those who seek Him, no one will overcome the defeated and temporary god of this world, Satan, the father of lies.
  
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- dissentnow
  Posted on February 8, 2013 at 2:54am
  Well, since a SEAL said so, it must be true.
  So much for questioning with boldness….
  Beck has been in SEAL mode and distancing himself from Alex Jones mode, as of late.
  
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- EM2T93
  Posted on February 8, 2013 at 2:55am
  @KADSTER01…
  Yep. I feel exactly the same way.
  
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- techengineer11
  Posted on February 8, 2013 at 9:20am
  AUsername
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:44pm
  Tech white christians are the troops killing people in other countries and law enforecement that tasers and beats you down to arrest you, your folks make it all happen.
  
  First of all they are christian in name only. Most under 25 don’t really know what they believe but I’ll give you the point.. All I can say is that they’ve been indoctrinated.
  
  My number one problem or concern for America is the Media.. IMO the Media is the most powerful tool on the planet. I like to say they have the power to turn a man into an ape and if used properly an ape into a man..
  
  But if one is to speak of race or ethnicity then we’d have to take responsiblity for being duped.. I for one acknowledge that I was deceived for many years and I believed an awful lot of other well meaning people are currently under their spell.
  
  tzion: You’re just wrong on every account… Of course a few can control the masses.. That’s almost always how it actually works anyway.
  
  John Kerry has openly admitted that he was Jewish and so to is his wife.. I’ve even heard that discussed on FOX news.
  
  And can’t be Jewish because of a name? So Larry Summers is no longer Jewish because he changed his name from Sammuelson to Summers?
  
  You make no sense tzion.. I think you intentilly lie or you’re just one ignorant J.
  
  furthermore you insinuate that reed’s wife converting religions changes her ethnicity?
  
  You’r incredibly dumb.
- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on February 8, 2013 at 9:56am
  I just going to start flagging these Anti-Semite trolls. I’m getting pretty sick of them.
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on February 8, 2013 at 11:50am
  Another attempt to re-write history to push the agenda of government killing of civilians
  ATF trying to reframe waco raid
  http://news.yahoo.com/ex-atf-agents-recall-storm-gunfire-deadly-1993-133521764–finance.html?nopharma=1
  All the traitors that participated should be tried for murder
  
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- tzion
  Posted on February 8, 2013 at 12:02pm
  Kerry was born to a Catholic father and Episcopalian mother and was raised catholic. How do you have him as Jewish? What is your definition of a Jew for that matter? Can you name any one thing that 90% of Jews agree on? The only thing I can think of for which there is a consensus among Jews is that Jesus wasn’t divine or the messiah. On what basis can you argue that what’s true for one Jew is true for all? Would you say that what’s true of yourself is true of all whites.
  
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- techengineer11
  Posted on February 8, 2013 at 12:11pm
  tzion: Damn boy do you even have an education?
  
  I could be raised by a Mormon and a Muslim.. Would that mean that I’m not Anglo-Saxon?
  
  You sound like some of those boys out in the sticks that believe that being a Jew is defined by practicing Judaism.. You know back in most European countries many Jews had to feign interest in the catholic church just to live among the Europeans.. They were hardly ever real Christians.. They probably went home and studied their Talmud after Church..
  
  Seriously I thought you were a little smarter than this.
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on February 8, 2013 at 2:14pm
  I heard Glenn pimping for Cheaper than Dirt today on the radio during lunch. Have they redeemed themselves or are they still sell outs to the gun control hysteria?
  
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- mensa141
  Posted on February 8, 2013 at 5:12pm
  Reading the procurement request shows that the request is for .40 cal and 9mm rounds. 240,000 of them too – not 26.1 million! Try the top link in this story and read the procurement request. They are asking for 100K of .40 cal with a price per 1000 rounds. Same for the other calibers. A total of 240,000 rounds of ammo. A lot of story over nothing. If it smells like bu l l s h it then it probably is bs.
  
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- Crazyotto
  Posted on February 8, 2013 at 10:28pm
  What does that have to do with the DHS they were buying .223. Big difference..22LR is everywhere
  
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woodyee
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:30pm
“That could be what is going on with this latest request for ammo but we don’t know for sure.”

Dig DIG. DIG!! You’re reporters, and THIS is BIG NEWS!

Just what IS their purpose? Why is DHS ordering ammunition in amounts previously known only to the Military?!?

30 – 75MM ammunition is heavy firepower – light to medium artillery. What does DHS need with THAT?

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- mikem1969
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:50pm
  They are gearing up to come for us when the UN tries to get our guns and we say know with what comes out of the end. Then they will turn DHS loose on us and the next revolution will begin. Personally I am tired of all the posturing, its time to get down to business.
  
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- jackbauer
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:43pm
  You don’t hear much about it but FEMA/DHS is turning out classes of “young skulls full of mush” at their training center in Anniston, AL. These 18 to 20 somethings are being trained in emergency response. I read some of the blog post from the grad’s last year and after graduating they weren’t sure exactly what they were preparing for but they were issued a secure government laptop, ie a way to receive orders. This looks a lot like Obama’s “civilian corps” he spoke about back in 2008. There may come a time when they will need to “just as well trained and funded (read weapons and ammo) as the military.”
  Here’s a story about the second graduating class from the program dated 10/12/12, in the Anniston Star.
  http://www.annistonstar.com/view/full_story/20463157/article-FEMA-Corps-a-new-group-that-trains-young-adults-to-give-aid-following-disasters
  
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- LeFaux Jew
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 4:25pm
  US Coast Guard (DHS) uses bigger stuff on various vessels.
  
  http://www.uscg.mil/smtc/Training_USN_RULL.asp
  
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- LeFaux Jew
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 4:42pm
  http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2011gunmissile/Thursday11660_Aswegan.pdf
  
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- Lamarr01
  Posted on February 8, 2013 at 2:06am
  How does a government agency spend excess budget money on a five-year contract? An agency doesn’t know it has excess money in the budget until the end of the fiscal year which is in late September or early October.
  
  Homeland Security is not the military or a police force. Any Border Control agent that shoots someone makes the news and is usually fired. This is a lot of ammunition to use training people who rarely discharge their weapons in the course of their job.
  
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:29pm
Ok folks, you know what they’re doing and why they’re doing it. The question is, are you going to sit and wait and be reactionary, or are you going to take the offensive here and turn the tables on them? We need to stop reacting and start taking the initiative.

Join the discussion. We can’t afford to just sit and wait and let them set the terms of the battle they clearly have planned against us. People who do that always lose.

http://www.patriotsdonotcomply.com/forum

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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:47pm
  GHOST, Yep, they are drying up the availability of ammunition to the public.
  
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- mikem1969
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:51pm
  Thanks for the link ghost.
  
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- mikem1969
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:55pm
  RJ, you got it. They want us to have nothing to defend ourselves with at all. They know we will fight for our 2nd amendment rights, so they figure if they dry up the supply we will have no bullets to shoot. I have 9 guns, and at least 1000 rounds for each different caliber.
  
  In addition to trying to dry up the supply, they are also trying to make ammo manufacturers place a pellet in the cartridge that after 3 months will liquefy the gun powder rendering the ammo useless. They want to do this to keep people from building a supply of ammo. Again, this is all to keep us from being able to protect ourselves from thugs and tyrants.
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:57pm
  You’re quite welcome Mike.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:07pm
  LOL… Ghost, it’s sad (well for the Blaze) that often I’ll skip their commentary and scroll down to what you have to say about the subject first.
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:20pm
  @JustAngry
  
  LOL! Thanks man, I appreciate that! :)
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:29pm
  MIKEM1969, Spot on Bud, spot on. We maintain a good amount of ammo and too, and I have been reloading since the late ’70s. Have plenty of supplies on hand for that too.
  
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- 00100111
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:55pm
  GOJ, I wonder if any of the usual prog trolls over here will try to join up over there just to either continue to troll or “Monitor” us like good Cyber Warriors for Obama.
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:07pm
  I’ll wack them like three day dead moles with my mighty Admin hammer.
  
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- Max Power 1
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:25pm
  This will make your blood run cold. This source has been pretty accurate for a long time.
  
  http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/52923
  
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- DefyTYRANNY
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 5:33pm
  Max Power 1, Thanks for the link, everything in that story sounds about right according to events and actions by the government at this time.
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 7:12pm
  I got a question
  
  I just purchased a 30 0 6 bolt action hunting rifle … went shooting with an experienced hunter to scope the rifle in … shot 14 rounds. Out of my last four shots 2 were bulls eyes, all of the shots would have been kills (about a 11/2 in circle) and the other 2 were within 3/4 inches. First time I shot a gun in a bunch. Why would I need to shoot 500 to 1000 rounds for practice, and why would I use hollow points, aren’t they expensive. Next up … some self defence weapons. Saw a 44 revolver that shot 3in. long rounds and also a shotgun shell (looking for something to stop a bear) anyone know this handgun? Don’t remember the name, saw it at Cabales-cost $600.00
  
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- redneckoilman
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 7:41pm
  Good link, thanks Ghost.
  
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- BADDOGGYDESCIPLE
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 8:27pm
  @4truth – It’s called a Taurus Judge, fires .45 or 410 shells I believe. Not the most practical hand cannon, but to each their own, enjoy.
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on February 8, 2013 at 9:02am
  Truth- S&W Governor is around that price range too. .45 long colt, .410 shot/slug, and .45 acp with moon clips.
  
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EQUALIZER
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:27pm
A trucker who called in to a local radio station, said that he had made a large delivery of ammo of various calibers,including deer slugs to an IRS Office. The room was filled to the ceiling, he asked what they needed deer slugs for, the signing IRS person said, “OH, we call those door openers”!

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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:49pm
  Great, that says a lot doesn’t it? The IRS plans to knock down doors? They can be used to punch out lock sets or defeat the hinges on outward opening doors.
  
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- mikem1969
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:58pm
  And those government IRS and DHS stockrooms will continue to get filled to the roof. They are gearing up to take us on.
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:08pm
  That’s precisely correct Mike. And they’re doing it openly and without even pretending to not smile as they do it. They will continue to do this until we put a stop to it, but we can’t put a stop to it if we’re always fighting on the defensive. We need to stop playing defense and start formulating and engaging in an offense. The battle goes to those with the initiative more often than not.
  
  I’m not directing that a you, but at the general readers of this thread.
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:09pm
  IRS got 5000-7000 new 870′s last year. O care needs the soft sell it appears.
  http://voices.yahoo.com/irs-purchasing-shotguns-no-really-5405505.html
  
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- RedeemedWench
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:19pm
  All for an agency that was created illegally and has been determined such by numerous rulings, including the Supreme Court. No where in the Constitution are they allowed to tax our LABOR. And yet they have so much power, like the mafia did. You don’t tell them “no, I won’t pay you.”
  
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- mikem1969
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:27pm
  I know what you mean Ghost, I have been trying to find a local militia in SC to join, but no one wants to respond. We have to find ways to stick together and train and prepare together. The day is coming soon. I have a rally at the state house tomorrow to go to, and then oathkeepers is doing one at every state capital this weekend. Join in patriots we must be heard loud and clear.
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:37pm
  @Mike
  
  Yeah, we have rallies tomorrow at our state capitol as well (Columbus, Ohio). Me and a buddy are heading up there around 10 am. It’s an open carry event, locked, loaded and smiling. So many contacts are made at these gatherings, I really am amazed that the leftists are still so smug and ignorant of what’s going on out here. I’ve networked with hundreds of people and gotten contact information from nearly that many as well just in the last two months. Not one voice saying that we’re going to follow any new law or restriction, and all saying there is no debating this at all. Love it.
  
  Feel sorry for y’all in South Carolina, it has to suck hard not being able to open carry.
  
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- mikem1969
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:48pm
  Yea it sucks a bit, but CC is ok with me, me and my wife took our courses last month and are just waiting on the paperwork.
  
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- SimpleTruths
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:52pm
  I will be a better world when all of your kind are not part of it.
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:18pm
  @Simple
  
  I wasn’t aware that you were a planet, nor that we inhabited you.
  
  All of your poor grammar and nearly illiterate level rhetoric aside, I find your insinuation that we should all be “gone” rather telling of your character. You people really don’t fall far from the ol’ genocide tree do you?
  
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- BrutalTruth
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:22pm
  Until, Simpletruths, someone else turns the same attitude you have on you. You won’t be so smug then.
  
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psadie
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:26pm
OK it is pretty clear to me that DHS wants to dry up the market of ammo so the average American won’t have it. BUT, I can’t understand WHY the House of Representatives doesn’t stand the hell up and stop their spending. Where are you Congressmen? STOP the govt. NOW. WHAT IS COMING THAT IS GOING TO BE SO HORRIFIC?

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- willingtoupe
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:44pm
  Yup so true. It’s not about out gunning us, it’s about out bullet us. A gun is useless w/o bullets, unless you’re a great pistol whipper! LOL
  
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Tickdog
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:25pm
small companies need to tell these people to take a flying leap…

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skippy6
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:23pm
I think everyone knows what they are doing…. Now the question is when will Barry call for marshal law….

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- RoDogg
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:05pm
  Thats why they need the door busters (deer rounds). Because when marshal law takes affect (and correct me if I’m wrong) the constitution gets suspended so we wont have 2nd amendment rights and they will go door to door confiscating weapons.
  Thats my biggest worry.
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:28pm
  There are no provisions in the Constitution that allow or endorse martial law. If they try that, they’ll see that the 2nd Amendment is alive, well, and kicking their @ss for the attempt.
  
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BattleRifle
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:22pm
“part of a practice by such agencies to spend any budget surplus on useful items before the end of the fiscal year”. This is the f#(%ing problem! Do they HAVE to spend any budget surplus? And then to spend this “surplus” money on jacketed hollow points which are NOT training ammo. Sheesh.

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- Skeeterhawk
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:55pm
  JHP’s are definitely NOT training rounds. JHP’s are DUTY rounds.
  
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- tightline
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:01pm
  No they are not training rounds we shoot ball ammo at the range. I hate the end of money dump, if you dont spend it you dont get the same amount next year. Its a big damn waist of $$$$$$, budget surplus and we are 16T in debt, mmmmmm…
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:03pm
  Yeh, but in their defense, they always have the deep pockets to train with what they carry. Ask any air marshal. Those dudes burn through hot .357 sig rounds and swap out barrels all the time.
  
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- Broncobuster
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:06pm
  I have a friend who is a deputy Federal Marshall and he said they only use JHP’s for practice. Remember ,when the taxpayer is footing the bill the sky is the limit .
  
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- MK75Gunner
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:46pm
  No offense guys but while the Armed Services do not utilize JHP for training most DHS agencies do utilize it for carry and training. Keep in mind the US Coast Guard is under DHS, they carry the Sig P229 DAK which is chambered in .40 Cal., and they utilize both JHP and Ball ammunition depending upon mission. InConus LE mission utilize JHP, OConus DOD mission utilize Ball. Additionally, FAMS, FPS, Customs, ICE etc, etc are all DHS entities that utilize both ball and JHP for training and every day carry.
  
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- G-WHIZ
  Posted on February 8, 2013 at 11:14am
  Hey TITELINE: WE are in 190TRILLION$$-DEBT!! Add-in the SS-Debt, the Medicare-Debt, the BammyCare-Debt, The Medicade-Debt, the FoodStamp Debt,… … … ….. …. ……….. .
  
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- tightline
  Posted on February 8, 2013 at 11:41am
  G-WHIZ,,,,,Yep, I stand down, you may just be right on that one..
  
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B-Neil
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:19pm
I’m trying to estimate how many BROWN shirts there going to order. I know it sound stupid yet the Pres said he wanted his own Army. Home Land security and the TSA makes up a good start. Folks we aint seen nothen yet. The very very near future is about upon us and it’s not going to be pretty for a FREE individual.

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vz1610
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:18pm
Anyone else notice that the requirement is mainly for jacket hollow-point 40 caliber “training” ammo? Since when is a more expensive JHP round a requirement for training?

I’m sure others have mentioned this but is anyone else wondering if these ammo buys are a ploy to over-whelm the system? Has anyone else tried to buy ammo lately? If you can find ammo for sale it is double or triple what it was just a couple of months ago and VERY difficult to find.

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- Elena2010
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:22pm
  Can’t find any at Wal-Mart or the local gun shops or the local sporting goods stores. The shelves are bare.
  
  If they can’t figure out how to take our guns away, then they simply suck up all the ammo.
  
  Old trick for old ammo — tap it to shake up the power inside before loading your mag.
  
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- CatB
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:29pm
  I think it is two prong. Arm the government (yes domestic security force) and keep the private citizens short. Save your ammo … you may very well need it.
  
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- Dismayed Veteran
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 3:48pm
  I prefer shotguns. WalMart had one box of #4 shot and zero 00 shot. Plenty of bird shot on hand. Only one AR15 and 3 shotguns in the case. No other rifles.
  
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MrKnowItAll
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:17pm
Wasn’t it 25 Million the Weather Underground planned to kill?

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- RLTW
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:31pm
  Yes, but that was 1970’s numbers. Today it’s more like 50 million.
  
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BlackCrow
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:17pm
I’ve seen 5.56 NATO selling for a dollar a round. Wonder why? No primers for hand loading as they are going into fixed ammunition and beginning to see supplies of canister powder running short.

The military is winding down operations in Afghanistan so they should be ordering less not more. Homeland Security upping their stockpiles is worrisome. Between the increased demand in the civilian sector for ammo and components due to Obama’s push for gun control this looks suspiciously like government agencies under the direct control of Obama are attempting to further manipulate the market.

Even though I saw this coming three years back and began buying extra my range time ha been cut back by 70% because I don’t want to deplete my stock.

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- Fubared
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:40pm
  Lot of people in that exact boat-
  
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- mikem1969
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:16pm
  Same here, I buy 200 and shoot 50. Love poking holes in targets, but can’t do that so much because I have to conserve what I have.
  
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:15pm
The private army of Obama continues to grow and grow and soon will be used upon all the masses of the American people who disagree with his insanity in the least bit.

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- gyro
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:56pm
  Snowleopard if obama can cause a problem were he can call a state of emergance he can reright constatution in some way to stay president after his time runs out
  THATS THE PLAN
  total takeover
  
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- Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:44pm
  After my Mom retired, she went to apply at the brand new TSA, she went through the interview, about a 2 day process, and in the end they told her, “You aren’t the right kind of person we are looking for”. Their main reason is, she asked questions like, why are we doing this, what exactly are we looking for? they told her, they wanted people that would not question what they were being told to do, they just wanted compliant people that followed instructions.
  
  What a perfect Obama army.
  
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ROBIN_SAGE
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:15pm
More JHP (Jacketed Hollow Point) Ammo, which is NOT “allowed” in war (Geneva Convention) but its good enough to kill american citizens With!!!! They have awakened the sleeping giant with their “gun grab”….. This WILL come to bloodshed…..

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- Fubared
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:35pm
  As a bat boy and pine land refugee, you of all should know uncle can and will do what he wants. Could be just to merely dry up the market more. Sure.
  
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- RLTW
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:35pm
  It’s always good to see another Ranger patrolling the threads, keep your powder dry and your tomahawk sharp and don’t fire till you see the whites of their eyes.
  
  Rangers
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- truthnstuff
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:06pm
  Don’t know if it’s true, but I heard they are already starting the “gun grab” in N.M.
  
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- iampraying4u
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 4:04pm
  I have 2m rounds of 223 all in mags and when i die i will be glad to have done this for my country
  
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- TexasWatchDog
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 5:57pm
  Jacketed Hollow Point ammo is not banned in the Geneva Convention. It was however banned in the Hague Convention of 1899. NATO troops still honor that treaty. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow-point_bullet
  
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- Welcome Black Carter
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 10:17pm
  Wrong. You can use it. When you do your opponent can as well.
  
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spfoam1
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:14pm
Draining the well.

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jas0707
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:14pm
Feds sucking the availability dry so private citizens are left without.

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jrcess
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:11pm
So they want your guns and ammo but they want to have full auto rifles and ammo. Something wrong with that picture.

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EQUALIZER
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:10pm
Who is the Evian Group? A front group formed 5 days before the contract was given, for 21.6 million more rounds? Come on, WAKE up people. 21.6 plus their already 1.6 billion rounds is enough to wage a full scale war for 3o years compared to our military.We are in deep,deep, trouble.

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Cavallo
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:08pm
“Maj. Gen. Buford C. Blount III said in 2004 testimony to the Tactical Air and Land Forces Subcommittee of the Committee on Arms Services that soldiers used 72 million rounds in Iraq in 2003 and that their expenditure at the time was 5.5 million rounds per month.”

How many Iraqis did they shoot with that? Iraq only have about 32 million people. In one year they could have shot every man, woman, and child in that country twice, some of them three times. (I know, training counts in that as well, but still,..) maybe Iraq can hire people to police all that up and start their own munitions factories.

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- Silvertruth
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:17pm
  Have you watched the You Tube videos from this conflict? The troops are just laying it all out down range. I watched them go through magazine after magazine, belt after belt, and there was only a handful or two of targets. The video doesn’t even tell you if they ‘got’ the insurgents or not, but it was a hellacious amount of firepower being sent downrange.
  
  Yeah, I could see that much ammo being used in a month. I’m not knocking our troops at all for the tactics they are using, I’d probably be doing the exact same, but we are a long way from the old “accuracy” vs. “rounds fired” arguments of the WWII and earlier eras.
  
  The areas these fights take place in could probably be mined for their copper content after the engagements happen… LOL!
  
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- Elena2010
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:20pm
  Moving targets are harder to hit…not every round found a person.
  
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- Skeeterhawk
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:02pm
  I could care less if our brave troops are using it over there. Whatever they need, send it on over to them. I’m just concerned that DHS has a need for this type of thing. Especially the larger than 30 caliber stuff. WTH is that for? 9, 40, 45, 223, 556, 762, 308, 300 Win, maybe some 338, but bigger than that? Smells funny.
  
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- katzkiner
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 4:13pm
  In WWII we fired 10,000 rds. for each enemy killed, by VN it was up to 100,000. I can only guess what rd. count is now.
  
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- LeFaux Jew
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 8:13pm
  About 250K rounds for each insurgent killed…I think that was the final tally.
  
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Fubared
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:06pm
And none will be put into use on the border.

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- carhouse
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:16pm
  30mm to 75mm is drone ammo
  
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- Elena2010
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:26pm
  Carhouse — they have no intention of shooting illegals or drug mules. Get real – those are all part of their plan to dismantle everything our ancestors put together. Drugs and that violence pits American against American. They fuel the Mexican cartels which causes spillover on this side. Phoenix is the kidnap capital of the US. Illegals put Americans out of small jobs and put them on the gov’t dole. That makes Americans controlled by the gov’t.
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:45pm
  FUBARED, With 0bama’s version of the Hitler Jugend he does not need the military to turn guns on our citizens. This is scary.
  CARHOUSE, Just did a quick search and so far no drones are armed with either 30mm or 75mm guns. But it does make one wonder why those are listed on that form above. The Bushmaster 30mm chain gun is mounted on the Apache though. As for the 75mm I have no idea although there are a number of the old M116 Pack 75mm Howitzers are still around in the military that are fired at the raising and lowering of the flags on some posts. I cannot think of any modern weapons that fire the 75mm round.
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:00pm
  RJ
  Can’t be for D&C with this crowd. Is odd, maybe the cartels have lil howitzers. Someone with more recent duty will hopefully chime in. We are now relegated to geezer status…
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:23pm
  FUBARED, LOL, That is the truth for me for certain. Will be 60 far too soon enough. My wife who is much younger than me uses that Geezer term all to often too. Hell, I was 37 when my now adult son was born. But, I guess that I will just have to wear that moniker proudly.
  
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Tri-ox
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:06pm
Well, of course – disarming America is going to be difficult (and bloody) – obama’s stormtroopers are going to need a lot of ammunition.

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term limits for congress
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:06pm
So, which clown at DHS was able to pass the background check for this purchase?

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BattleRifle
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:04pm
meh.

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Joisey
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:04pm
I wish our American ammo manufacturers, who don’t need the government’s money anyway, would take a stand and refuse to put in a bid on any more DHS orders.

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- AmericanStrega
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:09pm
  AMEN, Brother Joisey, AMEN!
  
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- 1stzookid
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:10pm
  I agree with you. We the American citizen need this ammo.
  
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- Skeeterhawk
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:18pm
  The military contracts are what keeps our US companies alive. There are only a couple companies building bulk ammo domestically any way. And ATK, Winchester and Remington only have the ability to fill these giant contracts.
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 3:25pm
  “It’s completely normal?” Well, depends who’s asking.
  
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gyro
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:04pm
quote That time is gone. It all happens on the Internet and in a (transparent way),” Saadat told the Washington Business Journal.
They lie

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- landman1
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:36pm
  Yeah! Everything you want to know is on the internet. Just ask the french model boyfriend. Bon Jour! It’s all true.
  
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