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L.A. Police Shoot Two Innocent People During Manhunt for Ex-Cop

Feb. 7, 2013 12:42pm Madeleine Morgenstern

Los Angeles-area police shot and wounded two innocent women early Thursday during a manhunt for an ex-LAPD officer suspected of shooting three cops and killing a couple.

The two women were delivering newspapers, the Los Angeles Times reported. One was shot in the hand and one was shot in the back:

The women, shot in the 19500 block of Redbeam Avenue, were taken to area hospitals, Torrance police Lt. Devin Chase said. They were not identified. One was shot in the hand and the other in the back, according to Jesse Escochea, who captured video of the victims being treated.It was not immediately known what newspapers the women were delivering. After the shooting, the blue pickup was riddled with bullet holes and what appeared to be newspapers lay in the street alongside.

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A second shooting, involving Torrance police officers, occurred about 5:45 a.m. at Flagler Lane and Beryl Street in Torrance. No injuries were reported in that incident.

Chase said that in both instances police came across vehicles they thought were similar to the one [suspect Christopher] Dorner is believed to be driving. Neither vehicle was Dorner’s.

“Now it appears neither of them are directly related,” Chase said. “In both of them, officers believed they were at the time.”

According to the Associated Press, the first shooting occurred while officers were guarding a target in a multi-page manifesto Dorner wrote threatening other members of the LAPD.

This post has been updated.

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Saff SGT
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:12pm
They need better training . seems they shoot anything and get excused just to keep their asses safe. Gov brown ios at fault ghere with his anti gun horse **** and left wing ideas

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- Gold Coin & Economic News
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 3:31pm
  Wow, that’s just great, our leaders tell us we need gun control because we are not capable of handling weapons, and yet LA cops shoot 2 innocent people. Well, just like Joe Biden said, gun control really doesn’t work, I think we all know that:
  http://www.isthatbaloney.com/did-joe-biden-say-gun-control-wont-stop-mass-shootings/
  
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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 3:32pm
  Pow! Pow! Pow! Pow! Pow! Pow! Pow! Pow! Pow! Pow! Pow! Pow!-”Freeze!”
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 3:48pm
  here’s a fun song about ***** cops….
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTrTWhQ18xc
  
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- 13th Imam
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 4:57pm
  I agree newspapers ain’t what they used to be. But isn’t that a bit of an overreaction to crappy urinalism.
  
  Maybe not, but shoot the editors and progressive reporters first.
  
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- Maji
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 4:58pm
  No wonder libs are afraid of “guns” and “can openers”!!!
  These are the people they think have the know how!!!
  
  Again I ask….Did Egypt pass a universial back ground ck# for F16s and M1 battle tanks!
  
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- Wolf
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 5:48pm
  Speaking of ‘needing better training’…
  “…the first shooting occurred while officers were guarding a target in a multi-page manifesto Dorner wrote threatening other members of the LAPD…”
  That writer needs better training.
  Really: I wonder what kind of target was hiding in a multi-page manifesto?
  
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- Wolf
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 5:53pm
  Really, they do, SAFF- Drudge had a picture of the vehicle the women were riding in- the back was full of bullet holes. These cops are i a shooting frenzy, not caring who they hit, even if they aren’t a ‘suspect’.
  
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- RedHarley
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 6:32pm
  With the NY gun banning law, they apparently forgot to exempt the cops…..and were going to go back and “fix” it by exempting active and retired law enforcement and their personally owned weapons ? Why, you ask ? To keep the cops on board with this garbage. Same with the Feinstein bill…..exempts cops and retired cops. Why, you ask ?? Same reason. Did you see all the cops in Minnesota behind Obama when he was talking gun control ? I guarantee if you remove the exemption for even retired cops, they won’t find ANY to stand behind him. To give some kind of “special citizen” status to ANYONE is an affront to the Constitution. This cannot be allowed to stand.
  I have a lot of respect for some individual police officers, but their organizations are decidedly pro gun control. This guy has the mindset of way too many officers.
  The other thing is that police have about double the amount of domestic violence in theri families, but nothing is said about whay you would give people with those stats access to weapons that the regualr public cannot own.
  
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- MIBUGNU2
  Posted on February 8, 2013 at 6:06pm
  LAPD has a rouge cop running around in Big Bear Calif.
  and they want to take away OUR guns, NOT TODAY, Jose !!
  
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- MIBUGNU2
  Posted on February 8, 2013 at 6:41pm
  If you drive a TRUCK to work, call in SICK today !!!
  
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Saff SGT
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:05pm
These are the kind of Cops you get from a left Wing Obama supporter state. They should be issued water pistols at most….

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- MIBUGNU2
  Posted on February 8, 2013 at 6:02pm
  This incident reminds me of the 9 innocent bystanders the
  NYPD shot while trying to take out an old guy they thought
  had a gun this past summer..Bloomburgs Finest……………
  GOOD GAWD !!!!!!!!!!! Bloomie took away the peoples 32oz.
  sodas but NEVER apologized for the shootings.
  
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Saff SGT
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:03pm
This is more proof US is bcoming an Obama Police state. And more proof citizens need weapons to protect themselves. With ant gun or magazine of their choosing, Its says so in the 2nd amend rights.Stay armed and stay alert Obams thugs are coming it looks like

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- Jedrin
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:17pm
  This has been going on a lot longer than Obama. It will almost be impossible to roll back the use of excessive force. Obama is going to make it worse no doubt but straightening it out? It is from the bottom to the top of these organizations. To change it would take a 100% purge. I don’t see how it can be done at this point. DeBAATHification didn’t work in Iraq. Deexcessiveforcification (I love that new word) will be hard.
  
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Jedrin
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:03pm
This is a replay of just before the LA riots. It is in the mix and the oven is preheated.

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- Mil Mom
  Posted on February 8, 2013 at 9:04pm
  @Verceofreason
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 10:45pm
  
  No sane intelligent person would ever mention the name Palin again – even McCain won’t.
  ***
  And the “test cookies” are coming out, are they to the bakers satisfaction?
  
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Arshloch
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:02pm
That was accomplished by a few dumb cops, just wait until obummers ‘civilian army’ puts those millions of hollow point rounds to use.

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- PJ Smith in Texas
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:45pm
  you mean more TSA Agents, out of the airports and on patrol on the mean streets?
  
  Oh gee.
  
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Mapache
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:47pm
Thats why we need weapons and magazines equal to those of the police.

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- Jedrin
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:00pm
  And jury nullification after the fact.
  
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- tonypro
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:10pm
  Agreed, now all we need is LE superiors that won’t protect them by saying “this was a justified action”.
  
  At some point out of control LE has got to be reigned in.
  
  Think about it, a hunter that shoots another hunterb”by accident” he is charged with a crime now because he should have known what he was shooting at BEFORE he pulled the trigger.
  
  Once again I believe the “but we’re above the law” mentality will show it’s face.
  
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- THX-1138
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:32pm
  Equal to? N1gg@ please! (If you’ll pardon the vernacular.)
  
  I need better weapons then any potential adversary.
  You know the theory; Peace Through Superior Firepower.
  Well, I’m all about peace. So…
  
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- 226crimsontrace
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 3:29pm
  I think it’s time to disarm the police. It is truly scary that one flips out, the rest are so paranoid, they’re shooting anything that moves. Cut down on the steroids boys
  
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Melvin Spittle
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:41pm
I live here in Corona and commute to Fullerton each day. I am staying home until the police understand that my dark blue truck is not being driven by a cop killer. I highly recommend any black man driving a dark truck to stay home until the blood atonement attitude of the SoCal police subsides. I guarantee that the officers who shot them will be cleared due to immunity and their iron clad use of force policies. The final outcome will be a statement: “Although these incidents are regrettable and tragic, we find the officers involved were within department policy regarding use of deadly force.”. When an officer tells you “Get your effing cop-killing a.s.s out of the truck” and you do not immediately comply, this can happen.

What the police did in these two cases terrifies me. We are at their mercy until the cop killer is found.

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- Cavallo
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:03pm
  No, you are always at their mercy. While there are a few cops out there who are true heroes, and really do want to serve and protect people, the system does not, and the majority in the system have been corrupted by it, either through attrition or will. They are out for revenge, and they don’t care how many bystanders get killed standing in their way. The police are not protectors of the public, they are enforcers of state and Union will.
  
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- kahieb
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:59pm
  And if you DO have to go out and get pulled over, super-glue your hands to the steering wheel where they can be seen!
  
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Locked
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:41pm
I’d wait to hear details about what happened before commenting one way or another. Sure, there are a lot of trigger-happy cops out there; but that’s not to say that the people shot were “innocent” of all crimes, just that they weren’t the ex-LAPD officer that’s being sought.

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- Jedrin
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:50pm
  You have no idea. The LAPD lost the benefit of the doubt a long time ago.
  
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- AlaskaBob
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:58pm
  They were two little older Hispanic ladies delivering the LA Times to the neighborhood! As much as I am a supporter of law enforcement there is an “attitude” problem for many. Note the word “civilian” to denote private citizens when, in reality, cops are also “civilian” but public servants. This “us versus them” does come from having to deal with the underbelly of society, but also the “sheeple” position most of society is herded into. We are all in this together as some cops (pro 2nd) point and and we as private citizens have skin (ours!) in the game. I hope “private citizens” are significant in getting this ex-cop, now cop killer…. off the streets.
  
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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 3:38pm
  Alaska is correct.
  Cops are “civilians” (gag) too. These goons actually believe they are the military when they refer to us this way. When the cities see the riots the cops will turn and run. Just like after the Rodney King verdict. They ran like scalded dogs.
  
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Lando
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:36pm
typical, its what holier than thou men in blue do

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chips1
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:35pm
The comments so far on this story reflect the exact reason not to become a law enforcement officer. Everything points to the fact that people are more secure living among the chaos mentality. The exact situation that the LAPD officers encountered at the shooting of two citizens, has not even been told. These situations have not been scripted and each case is different from every other situation. If you watch the shows on TV which show actual enforcement stops, shows what kind of reactions an officer encounters many times each and every day. Stopping a vehicle for a broken taillight can end up being an all out war. Police think all the time, “is this the moment my life will be taken away from me?” Can you even imagine wanting to take a thankless job like that? This is America and as long as people are still willing to take the foul actions of the public that you are eluding to in these posts, makes them special. It’s not a JOB. It’s a calling. Thank God that McDonalds still has safe jobs for you to entertain yourselves.

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- Melvin Spittle
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:51pm
  Calm down! The reason for the comments are that folks like me have lost faith in LEO’s due to the never ending incidents here in SoCal: Fullerton homeless man beaten to death, Marine shot in Oceanside dropping his daughter off at school, today’s incidents with the truck shootings, etc. This is all within the last couple of years. Tell me again why we should not live in fear of the police? Yes there is a need for law enforcement and the job is tough. My concern is that they respond with deadly force way too often. As a combat vet, our rules of engagement were much more strict whereas many LE departments policies are lax. Something is wrong here!
  
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- Jedrin
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:59pm
  More like a lot of people have been subjected to the new way police are trained. Foul language and excessive force, take downs for infractions, and the term “for your safety and mine” means when in doubt the cop will kill you like a soldier takes out the enemy.
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:18pm
  The police (with very few exceptions) are not there to protect your, or to serve you. They are enforcers of State will. They have one master, the State and a Union that ruthlessly protects the interests of itself against the citizens.
  
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- Melvin Spittle
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:27pm
  Update: Two women were shot in their truck while delivering newspapers in the neighborhood of an officers residence that was being protected from the suspect. Chief Beck has stated it was a mistake. If this is the case, as a SoCal resident we are justified in our fear of cops gone wild with “buck fever” and will shoot anything that remotely resembles the suspect or his vehicle.
  
  To Chief Beck: I want to see you squirm out of this one! You have LAPD deployed in every city OUTSIDE of LA that your officers live including the city I live in here in Corona!
  
  Chief Beck, why is it that local Corona & Riverside police can’t provide coverage and you have deployed LEO’s out of your enforcement jurisdiction? We have ample sheriffs and local police to cover this! I just saw your tactical command post on Magnolia and the I-15!
  
  Chief Beck, if it moves, shoot it! Your officers are like a city boy hunter with buck fever on the first day of deer season!
  
  I guess Chief Beck will issue a statement: “Although regrettable and tragic, we are reviewing our use of deadly force policies to prevent future incidents”. You have made this statement many times before and I expect you will again. Apparently your past policy reviews were an abject failure. I not only want you fired, I want you held accountable to the people you supposedly serve!
  
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- Melvin Spittle
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:31pm
  chips1, I suggest you sit this one out. Yes there are good cops. My problem is the growing systemic attitude of LEO safety before the safety of citizens they serve that is perpetuated by the self serving and corrupt police unions.and are a threat to the safety of the public.
  
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- AlaskaBob
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:39pm
  LA Police chief doubled down on the shooter…. us v him….. great… instead of trying to defuse tis… it is war. NOT smart.
  
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- Wolf
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 6:04pm
  “…. Stopping a vehicle for a broken taillight can end up being an all out war. Police think all the time, “is this the moment my life will be taken away from me?” …”
  
  And I’m positive you’ve never given thought to that when you get pulled over when you know you’ve done nothing to warrant it.
  
  Every cop might think that- and I’m willing to bet there are a great number of ‘civilians’ who think exactly the same thing when they get stopped these days. And with great justification. How do ‘we’ know if it’s a legitimate cop, or someone who’s been having a bad day and decides to take it out on his traffic stop?
  
  Or what about people like Jose Guerena? Awakened by a screaming wife, gunned down in front of his children and left to bleed out because medics weren’t allowed to see him.
  
  Or the kids who see their pet gunned down because a cop entered the wrong home.
  
  Or the two year old girl murdered by cops on her couch during a botched entry at the wrong address.
  
  Or cops given free rein for search and siezure because the Fourth Amendment is shot down by a supreme court.
  
  How much more do I need to go on before fools wake up?
  
  Please- spare me the ‘oh, those poor police servants’ rhetoric: it doesn’t wash in light of events over the last six years.
  
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momrules
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:22pm
What it tells me is that the police are so angry that three of their own were killed and they are so afraid of being next that everyone in their path is in danger.

Shoot first check identity later……..yeah,great work.

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- Exiled
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:30pm
  The article fails to mention if there was any REASON they were shot. I’m betting there was something more than “the vehicle matched, so we shot the driver,” which is what this article implies.
  
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- Jedrin
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:33pm
  Every traffic stop in LA is a life threatening incident for the motorist. Keep you hands on the wheel at all times. I’m not joking.
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:36pm
  exiled-
  That is exactly what happened. One of the incidents was a lady delivering newpapers
  
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- Beachmastermax
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:37pm
  @exiled…you are probably right. The drivers were probably big fat Black guys to.
  
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- DougHuffman
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:43pm
  The rest of the story is that the innocent citizens failed their citizen compliance drills. In the best of all possible worlds, they might have done so intentionally for not wanting to live in a world with mandatory compliance enforced with deadly force.
  
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KevINtampa
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:15pm
The philosophy at the top always trickles down. Obama and “high ranking government” officials can decide who lives and who dies; well, that philosophy, no matter what is done to prevent it, will trickle down the government hierarchy.

If you have goodness at the top helping and respecting people, you will have goodness at the bottom helping and respecting people.

If you have evil at the top slaying people, you will have evil at the bottom slaying people.

This should be common sense.

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- chips1
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:45pm
  You just described the Democrat platform and Obama is the head honcho.
  
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girlnurse
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:10pm
So he killed an innocent girl and her fiance’ because her dad fired him from his job? What a chicken s***! Poor kids…may they RIP! Is society that brainwashed now that they believe their life is over simply because they lose a job!? Come out of the matrix people. Trust God. “What does it profit a man if he gain the whole world, but lose his soul”?

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SREGN
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:02pm
You don’t need to own a gun. The police will protect you.

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- 226crimsontrace
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 3:36pm
  Love your sense of humor
  
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neiman1
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:00pm
2 women delivering newspapers were shot by LAPD in “mistaken identity” while they search for 6’1 300 lb male cop killer

NO ONE IS SAFE in Southern California today.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/ex-cop-manhunt-newspaper-delivery-women-shot.html

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- GJPinks
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:05pm
  If they looked like Rosie O, I would understand the mistake
  
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- TotallyNotATroll
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:08pm
  Untrue, 6’1 300# male cop killers are
  
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ferggie
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:59pm
The 1911 pistol just celebrated its 100yr anniversary. This is a semi-automatic pistol and has been around longer than any of the idiots in DC that are trying to make it out to be this new evil weapon that is responsible for murders over the last 20 years and must be banned. A gun is no more dangerous than a pencil. It only becomes a murder weapon when used by a sick individual to take someone’s life.
A gun, hammer, bat, knife, fist, etc. are all inanimate objects and are incapable of killing anyone on their own. Attention directed at these object as a way to reduce the number of murders and/or suicides is a foolish endeavor. Some will argue otherwise but only those that refuse to look at the statistical facts.
In the 70’s we stopped locking up the mentally ill but chose to give them some pills and allow them the ability to continue to interact with the rest of society. We have an increase in assaults and mass murders and as a society we push the false belief that it is all the result of a piece of machinery. That is correct; a gun is nothing more than a mechanical apparatus. It doesn’t have a heart, brain or limbs to carry out an evil act. I only hope the rational thinkers basing decision on facts outnumber the ignorant that only live on emotion to truly address this problem and provide resolutions that will actually help in the end.

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- freenj
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:19pm
  Politicians in general don’t deal in rational terms. Many want us disarmed, since they fear us more than a vote. They know, that they have pushed the envelope far out, and understand, that, a serious backlash is coming.
  The economy is not well, healthcare will soon crap out do to Obamacare, food, gas, & energy prices rising. Foreign policy is a mess. An imperial president who thinks killing U.S. citizens without due process is ok. I could ramble on, however, I believe most of you would agree,
  we have trouble folks, right here in the USA.
  
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- girlnurse
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:19pm
  You are correct! We simply closed the doors to the mentally ill and I guess now we pretend they don’t exist! I have first hand experience with this and I could go on for days about it. Even the court system doesn’t want to descriiiminaaaattee against the mentally ill. There way of dealing with it is EXACTLY as you say…give em a pill and pretend like theyre not there. They need to open up those mental hospitals! Do NOT let the government have anything to do with deciding who goes in tho!
  
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term limits for congress
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:56pm
Don’t they have drones?

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- Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:23pm
  LA tends to drone on about things, and they do have dregs, dolts, and dummies.
  
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- GuruMeditation
  Posted on February 8, 2013 at 7:46am
  If they had used drones they could have mistakenly taken out two households rather than two individuals.
  
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Xiccarph
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:55pm
Murder by cop is such an overblown thing. All they need to say is “we thought it was the suspect”. Let a civilian try to say “they sure looked like a crook to me at the time” and see how much fun the prosecutors have in squeezing the freedom and money from the guy. Cops do it, and well, its an innocent mistake; give ‘em a pass!

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- Kalshion
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:31pm
  Because it can be an innocent mistake? Not every accidental killing by cops is intentional, a lot of them ARE accidents – done either by trigger happy cops or by the actions of the ones they shot (for example, here in Vegas we had a cop kill a mother who was merely going for her cell-phone when he stopped her for shop-liftnig, but HE thought she was going for a gun and shot and killed her)
  
  Cops can’t afford to take chances, so while I hate hearing that innocents get killed by cops, a lot of times you gotta look at it from the cops perspective and see what THEY see vs what the MEDIA tells you.
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:40pm
  Kalshion-
  An accidental shooting by a “trigger happy” cop is no accident.
  
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moreteaplease
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:53pm
Obama & Co. are worried about us having guns? Bloomberg is probably saying ” See? I was right the first time”.

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Winedude
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:53pm
I’m shocked, SHOCKED that the LAPD behaved recklessly yet again. I just can’t decide if they’re just plain pigs or qualify for the more pungent rectal pores? Either way, nice job LAPD…NOT…!

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- Jedrin
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:30pm
  LAPD are the most incompetent LEOs in the world. I come from LA and I will say that the LA riots were a good thing in that after the riots, for a brief time, the LAPD were respectful after. I’m white and I had my car searched for any traffic violation. Every chance the LAPD get they intentionally make enemies and all unnecessarily. I tried to complain about lies and dropped charges that even the prosecutors couldn’t believe by going into a police station to file a complaint and I was threatened with arrest if I didn’t leave. All I said when asked what the watch commander should do about this and I replied “fire him” and that was it. It was like a light switched on and he got aggressive and violent. There is a mental disorder at the LAPD. Roid Rage and other things going on. Scary stuff. If you think LAPD or any big city cops are out to serve and protect, well you will see. I am certain these guys would love to kick in doors of nonviolent people and kill them for sport if they could get away with it, and they do a lot of the time.
  
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FaithfulFriend
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:50pm
Bang, bang. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

Ooops.

I just hope the victims were white. Otherwise there could be problems in la-loopy-do.

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- naughtycal
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:03pm
  And these liberal do*ches keep saying the police protect the citizens. The city police are little more than nazi ss agents that will follow whatever order is given.
  
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WarMunger_Al
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:49pm
the police deserve what they get. They don’t bother to verify their target, they just shoot. No one is safe as long the police are running around with guns. Maybe CA needs to ban it’s officers from carrying, seeing how they can’t be trusted.
The LA police are the second most corrupt police force in the nation, the first place slot goes to NYC police dept.

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mikem1969
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:47pm
Time to ban the LAPD, they just shot innocent people.

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Fubared
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:45pm
Collateral damage. Sure. Don’t drive around in a blue Titan in CA today.

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- Hill60
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:59pm
  no joke – the police can’t be bothered with verifying who’s driving the vehicle – just shoot first and ask questions later.
  
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kaydeebeau
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:45pm
ready, fire, aim

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