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L.A. Police Shoot Two Innocent People During Manhunt for Ex-Cop

Feb. 7, 2013 12:42pm Madeleine Morgenstern

Los Angeles-area police shot and wounded two innocent women early Thursday during a manhunt for an ex-LAPD officer suspected of shooting three cops and killing a couple.

The two women were delivering newspapers, the Los Angeles Times reported. One was shot in the hand and one was shot in the back:

The women, shot in the 19500 block of Redbeam Avenue, were taken to area hospitals, Torrance police Lt. Devin Chase said. They were not identified. One was shot in the hand and the other in the back, according to Jesse Escochea, who captured video of the victims being treated.It was not immediately known what newspapers the women were delivering. After the shooting, the blue pickup was riddled with bullet holes and what appeared to be newspapers lay in the street alongside.

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A second shooting, involving Torrance police officers, occurred about 5:45 a.m. at Flagler Lane and Beryl Street in Torrance. No injuries were reported in that incident.

Chase said that in both instances police came across vehicles they thought were similar to the one [suspect Christopher] Dorner is believed to be driving. Neither vehicle was Dorner’s.

“Now it appears neither of them are directly related,” Chase said. “In both of them, officers believed they were at the time.”

According to the Associated Press, the first shooting occurred while officers were guarding a target in a multi-page manifesto Dorner wrote threatening other members of the LAPD.

This post has been updated.

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Related:

Massive Manhunt on for Fired LAPD Officer Suspected of Killing Spree: Shooting a Couple and Ambushing Two Cops

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Comments (101)

Leerm
Posted on February 8, 2013 at 12:05pm
If you ever hear a cop says “based on my training and experience” be ready. They are talking out their a**.

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Leerm
Posted on February 8, 2013 at 12:00pm
I can see how this can happen. It is very hard to tell the difference between two Hispanic ladies and one large black man.

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USAmerican100
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 7:32pm
I was driving down the 101 freeway earlier today and happened to be passed by a silver Nissan Titan pickup truck, at the same time a Highway Patrol car was parked on the side of the freeway, I was thinking crap I hope I don’t get hit in the crossfire!

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The Big Mick
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 7:26pm
Reprise from other Dorner the Dope thread.
I tried, I really tried, to give the POS a decent hearing. Went to Gawker got as far as his “list of places I have lived.”
The following conclusions were inescapable.
1. He’s mental.
2. His fellow cops are often pieces of sheite and of no noticeable higher Moral Integrity than the rest of us. Which begs the question–WHY should such immature and undisciplined individuals have power over ANYONE? This in SPITE of the fact we have only Officer Sheitebag’s Word for anything that happened. Even if he made up 90% of it and Spun the rest, NOBODY here comes across as worthy of the Badge. So why should they HAVE one? Why should THEY have the PRESUMPTION of Ordering their scarcely less honorable Fellow Dumbcits around?
This tends to confirm, based on a reversal of early experience late in my life, my recent experience that most cops do NOT have even BASIC integrity or sense of SERVICE, just a Glorified Pack Instinct. I’ve SEEN it. It disappointed while piszing me off. But then that’s the Nature of Our Debased Republic.
3. Even granting the Principle of “presumed innocence” and “not wanting to unfairly smear someone in the press” The LAPD is COVERING UP for their own “Blue Line” here. UNACCEPTABLE!

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Rileydj
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 7:13pm
Ban cops! Or limit them to no more than 7 cops to a doughnut shop.

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bignugly
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 6:22pm
This is the same LE people the liberals want us to trust to protect us! Everybody needs a weapon to protect us from LE.

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rs9
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 6:00pm
A p#g got shot near where I live a few years ago and I saw them coming in my rear view and I barely got off of the road in time. There was six cop cars doing about 130 mph right down the white line. They didn’t give a damn who got in their way.
They go into a feeding frenzy when it’s one of THEM not just one of us that gets shot.

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gimmedatfree
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 5:55pm
Next up drone strike.

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mickey16
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 5:06pm
I read a story (via Drudge) about this that included a picture of the back of the pick up – it was really shot up. I really don’t think there will be anyway to spin this where the officers don’t come out as “shooting first”. I just hope there’s dash cam video if the officers acted appropriately. Without it, they’re done.

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RaydocX
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 4:50pm
wasn’t it California police that fired like 42 rounds at a perp in a truck at POINT BLANK RANGE and didn’t hit a thing?

Mayhaps O Biden n Feinstein need to confiscate the weapons of LAPD to reduce innocent deaths due to gun violence.

sarc off… seriously, how are the ROE so badly bungled that women totally uninvolved with the man they are chasing are killed. Cop killers and killer cops seldom make it to trial, but it doesn’t mean you light the offender up before making positive Ident!

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omgfolks
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 4:43pm
More bad cops in the news, here you got a cop suspect and the other cops are shooting unarmed citizens for not reason other than they could. I know we will hear how the ‘Officers Feared for the Safety and the Safety of others” as thier excuse but the tragic thing is they want to take away our guns. Seems like to me now, more than ever , EVERY CITIZENS NEEDS TO BE ARMED. If it isn’t the criminals trying to hurt someone now we have the police trying to hurt someone… These cops need to be fired, prosecuted and the weapons taken away along with their right to carry or own a weapon… There is no excuse for their actions no matter how people will WHINE about how tough their jobs are. They were trained professionally and have demonstrated they cannot be trusted with a fire arm

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angeleyes63
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 4:16pm
Keep lowering the bar in the name of diversity and fairness, remember equality always trumps quality.
Keep on dumbing down society and soon we will become the moronic society from the movie Idiocracy.

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Just4Rocks
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 4:07pm
Please don’t act surprised these kinds of deaths happen often. I’ve been warning friends in Kansas City to watch out after an officer is hurt or worst yet killed. A woman with lupus was killed as was a 13year old car thief; both died when officers felt threatened. Both following deaths in the police force, sad yet how do police maintain respect if they let people think that cops aren’t tough. People learn not to mess with cops after the cops have been able to show what can happen if they do.

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OniKaze
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 3:58pm
WAIT WAIT!!!

So you see a vehicle that LOOKS like the suspects car, and you start shooting at it??? Sorry, but WHY NOT perhaps check the license plates first, look IN the vehicle, THEN open fire once you have confirmed the suspect is the person in your sights??

Stupid, Incompetent, brainless doughnut cramming cops…. What happened to the good old days of Cops that were properly trained and NOT trigger happy?? I am starting to think that the police break the law more often than the citizenry… (and not just traffic violations, which we all know THEY DO break more than civilians…).. Some more cops that need to lose their jobs….

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jamestoms
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 3:43pm
Not News!!!!! Police always shoot innocent people, they got ta shoot somebody? And they are professionals!!

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ROBIN_SAGE
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 3:42pm
Christoper Dorner’s “manifesto”….. Skipping to the end, This WILL GET UGLY

http://laist.com/2013/02/07/christopher_dorners_manifesto_in_fu.php

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Norm D. Plume
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 3:17pm
Clearly, the police should be stripped of their arms.

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geomann
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 3:12pm
Boy, one or two more and they could have a riot on their hands and find themselves facing a large number of LA residents identifying with the rogue officer. They are treading on thin ice…

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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on February 7, 2013 at 4:02pm
  Geo,
  At some point, it will come to that. It is inevitable. The match will be lit and it will be “on”.
  
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o2nine17
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:53pm
The police only carry guns to protect themselves… just remember that. Also, when seconds count, the police are minutes away. I am not bashing police here, they have a tough job and most do it well. But police mostly show up long after the crime has been committed. You are responsible to defend yourself.
I would suggest there be more vigorous training for LAPD, future and current officers.

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elosogrande
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:45pm
Maybe it’s time we demanded proof that every single cop in the country passes a gun safety test every year. They should only be allowed one chance to pass. Fail the test, and it’s wait until next year. There should be no compensation for time off, and the time off shouldn’t count for length of time in service.
Oh yeah – the test should be administered by a civilian in an open forum. No cheating.

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Melvin Spittle
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:42pm
To the LAPD Chief Beck: I want you to inform the public of what we as citizens are to do when stopped by the police so that your LEO’s will not shoot us!

Chief Beck and other SoCal Chiefs: Why is it that your officers intentionally use vulgar language and escalate situations rather than be professional and treat us citizens with the respect we deserve? In many instances such as the homeless man that was beat to death in Fullerton, LEO’s intentionally escalate the situation in order to trigger the suspect to react which as in this example led to the police beating this man to death as he cried out for his father to help him!

If the job is getting to your officers, then maybe they are in the wrong line of work.

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loafer4952
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:28pm
Now the police are the hunted. It is not such a good feeling when you know somebody is after you. They are trigger happy.

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thegreatcarnac
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:25pm
Well….he11….there goes public relations…

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Rogue Human
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:24pm
One of the victims the cops shot was delivering newspapers and had nothing to do with this at all. BTW, this Ex-Cop is a BIG time Obama supporter, Loves MSNBC, CNN, hates the NRA, anti second amendment – read more here: http://www.realnewsreporter.com/?p=11914

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moneyplays
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:20pm
On the other hand, that is one excellent job of guarding the target…….I mean, if you shoot everyone you see……it’s pretty well protected…..

I hope they investigate this thoroughly.

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