Pat Robertson Wonders: Would Allowing Gays in the Boy Scouts Lead to ‘Predators’ and ‘Pedophiles Who Would Come in as Scoutmasters’?
There’s no doubt that religious broadcaster Pat Robertson has a history of making eyebrow-raising comments. From announcing his belief that atheists are “miserable grinches” to sharing his concerns over adopting foreign children, he’s spawned no shortage of controversy. This week, on his show, “The 700 Club,” Robertson, again, tackled a highly-contentious issue, making statements about gays and the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) that instantly led to intense head-scratching – and furor.
As TheBlaze reported earlier this week, the BSA is currently embroiled in national controversy surrounding the group’s controversial ban on gay members and leaders. Before it was announced that the organization is planning to delay its decision on whether to overturn the ban, Robertson weighed in, noting that the BSA has a profound history of helping young men in America.
While he encouraged the organization to make the decision it deems most appropriate, some of his words led to angst — particularly a question he asked about “predators” and “pedophiles.”
“The question is, are there predators as boy scouts, pedophiles who would come in as scoutmasters?,” Robertson asked. “And if they are, then of course parents wouldn’t want their sons being involved in the Boy Scouts, or their daughters in the Girl Scouts.”
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What do you think about the faith leader’s latest commentary? Let us know, below.
(H/T: Huffington Post)
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shorelineliz
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 10:12amAT Doors of Deception: Oh do “school” us on how immoral the Bible is as you fiddle down your own pants or the pants of others. How many girls have you had abortions with or helped? Or is it just the flesh of soft little boys you prefer? Do share your “list ” with us stupid Christians would you? You seem to know everything. Are you God? Oh do “school” us oh mighty one. Most impotent one. Most unknowledgeable on in all the earth. Where shall we bow to you exactly? Do you have your own little Miserable Grinch Atheist Temple for us to attend so we may bow? How much shall we tithe to your highness? Here grinchy grinchy. Here grinchy grinchy. Fetch grinchy grinchy. Fetch boy!
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 10:45amHaha…ok you can’t be real…you have to be a plant. That’s too funny. Thank you for creating more athiests either way.
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Sosorryforyou
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:47pm@SHORELINELIZ
Post after post, you show the entire Blaze audience who the real grinch is. Why all the hate? Perception is just pointing out his/her point of view. If you are so strong in your own faith, why are you so defensive? Lighten up, baby, and stop being so mean.
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ihasa
Posted on February 18, 2013 at 8:07am‘Flesh of soft little boys’? You’ve really spent a lot of time thinking about that, haven’t you? Let’s remember, it was the ant-gay, pro marriage Catholic Church that turned out to be a hotbed of paedophile perversion. I am suspicious about the people who vocalise the most strongly about homosexuals. It makes me wonder if there is something in their own nature which they are denying, which may resurface in some dark and strangled perverted form, Ted Haggard-style.
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Remember_Benghazi
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 10:07amIf only Pat were so concerned about the predators and pedophiles of his own religion.
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shorelineliz
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 10:13amIf only. and if only you would help him. Do you have experience? what do you know? Call him up! I am sure he would welcome your expert assistance garnered from personal experience. Who is in your lap now?
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rowdygirl
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 11:59amAre you saying that it’s ok to rape children as long as you’re not pretending to be a Christian while you’re doing it?
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wouldubelieveit
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 10:02amWhat’s in a Name? I guess they will really be scouting for boys now.
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sjpru
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 10:41amYes….where ever you find children, you find pedophiles…this will destroy the Boy Scouts which is what democrats want.
Girl Scouts has already been ruined…it is infested with liberal feminist crap…membership has plummeted and cookie sales are crashing because the cookie money is used to finance their destructive liberal agenda (same thing has happened to American Girl).
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G-WHIZ
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 11:15amKing-Berri’O wants to desrtroy all morallitry, but HE-THE-ONE can’t just “shut them down”. So King-Berri’O has his minnions destroy them subversively….isolate and ellimmimate!
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mikem1969
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 11:38amYes it would lead to pedophiles coming in as scout masters and put them all at risk. Gays and lesbians commit more podophile crimes than any straight person would. Just goes to show you how perverted they truly are.
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Sosorryforyou
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 11:39amI would never let a pedophile be a scout master for my child, but I’d have no problem letting a homosexual be a scout master for my child.
What’s the difference in letting a gay male be a Boy Scout leader, and a straight female be a Boy Scout leader (you do know that many straight females are boy scout leaders, right?) Both are attracted to men. That doesn’t make them pedophiles.
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shorelineliz
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:54amYup. These organizations are a breeding ground cause the access is so easy! Add Boys and Girls Club to the list. And public school. And Sunday school. And any place where stupid parents just hand their kids over to these “adults’. I never could for the life of me understand a parent who just sent their kid to camp for weeks and weeks. Old boys molest little boys too. Stupid parents who just want to get rid of their kids for weeks on end in the summer instead of responsibly taking care of them. Stupid parents.
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1FreeVoice
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:36amI don’t know if homosexuals are statistically more likely than heterosexuals to molest minors. I am certain that if it was true, then there would be people suppressing evidence that would support the conclusion.
IF it is proven that they are, then a question is raised. Could the stresses of living in the closet/facing social stigma and ostracization cause an increase in that kind of deviance? If it was proved that punitive pressures against homosexuals make them more likely to become … aggressively deviant in some ways… then how could we both protect our kids AND be accepting of our neighbors kids so that they don’t grow up into monsters?
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shorelineliz
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:48amwhat? Pat Robertson said Atheists are miserable grinches? Let me kiss that old fart on his balding head!
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shorelineliz
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:49amCheck out Robert Lopez’s new article: I was molested over and over by my lesbian loving mother’s friends.
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walnutportconservative
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 11:07amSexual imorrality is, and always was a stumbling block. I am curious how this might create some new “Merit Badge” opportunity.
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Zipit
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:26amPFFFFT! What the hell difference does it actually make? The new standard response! Var.
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piper60
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 11:45pmHomosexuals have little use for pedophiles. They call them “chicken hawks” The Scouts know very well that homosexuals are unlikely to be pedophiles- they chose knot to have homosexual scout leaders because they want positive role models for the boys. And its their right, confirmed over and over again by the courts to make that choice. They’ve fought their way through years of lefty persecution and rafts of law suits. Having won the peer pressure wars, there’s no need to surrender-in whole or in part.
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lessoneleg
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:21amIf the LGBT people believe that Scouting was so important. Why haven’t they organized their own association of LGBT Scouts? Why infiltrate the long history of the Boy Scouts Of America? Is this another attack to destablize the Scouts into a liberal arts form. Has to be. The Scouts have a fairly responsible preamble and code of conduct that specifies what conditions their scout masters must live up to and agree. If they say that “gay” or “homosexual” applicants are not allowed. Why do Gay’s have to press the issue and destroy the Boy Scouts Of America? To prove a point? What point? The parents of the Boy Scouts send their young males to the Boy Scouts to be instructed on morality according to the Parents, not to the political correctness of Gay Society and Liberals. Don’t you get it, they don’t want the homosexual lifestyle being described or instructed in the Boy Scouts of America.
I will wager that in time the number of parents allowing their male child to attend with Gay instructors will cause numbers to drop off. why? because wherever alternate lifestyle agendas get put in, they press their agenda onto the crowd.
Wasn’t it recently that a Girl Guide quit because of the lesbian leftist instruction being exerted on participants.
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Keatonc333
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 5:44pmbecause separate but equal doesn’t really fly in this country.
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birthright
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 7:28pmMy philosophy in many things is you do your thing and I’ll do my thing. I was a vegetarian for 46 years and had countless burger enthusiasts who gave me a hard time about it. I never asked them to give up burgers, but they sure were upset that I didn’t want one. I began to eat meat when I chose to for my own reasons. But the philosophy applies to many other areas of life. Why are atheists threatened by those who believe in God? why do they feel the need to ridicule believers? My church has its own clubs for children ages 6-9 and 10-16 that are much like the scouting programs. Members of the church can support their children in joining Scouts or Pathfinders. No big deal. Pathfindering is like scouting in many ways but it is an organization that is based on our church beliefs as well. I think in this case separate is better than equal. I say that from experience as a member of both organizations as a child and staff/parent experience as an adult. So, if you don’t fit in with scouting as it is, found your own club that has the elements you admire and the innovations you would like to see. The only difference for you would be that you must create your own club name. There is no admirable reason to attack the Boy Scouts.
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NOTAMUSHROOM
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:18amWhy yes, Wally. This is the reason they’re not allowed in in the first place. Duh!
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zapparules
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 3:43pmAnd what is that reason again?
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Mike Benton
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:15amThis guy is nuts.
Gays or no more pedophiles than heteros.
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2GodBeTheGlory
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:36am@Mike Benton
Where is your evidence? Every sane person who can discern truth would say otherwise. Your childish attack without facts or common sense is telling and shows your lack in understanding of impact onto a community by people that engage in that type of lifestyle.
I can show you childish behavior after childish behavior by those that “think” they are “more knowledgeable and more intelligent” than those that disagree. For instance, the repeated event in SF where grown “men” are naked in the street in full view of children. You might say that these are “the minority”, however, when you are only talking about a maximum of 5 percent of the population that engage in that lifestyle, then you would have to say that this “minority” is a large percentage of the homosexual community.
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4truth2all
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:48amHeteros … hay … well homosexuals ( not gay) are the concern here … That is men who have sex with men … if you do that you’re a ****, not a hetero there Mike.
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shorelineliz
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:50amWould you like my 25 years of notes from my gay clients?
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Just_Us2
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 11:19am“Gays or no more pedophiles than heteros.” said the pedophile trying to provide himself cover.
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shorelineliz
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:48pmWould you like my 25 years of notes from gay clients?
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RoDogg
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:33pmI’d like to see someone with boys experience a gay pride parade tell me afterwards that they’d still be cool with their boys around gay males!
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Verceofreason
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 3:21pmThat’s true.
don’t try to reason with these people.
Little girls are the MOST molested, by family members no less -
uncles, step fathers and even grand fathers.
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saranda
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 6:28pm@rodogg- i have a gay brother who is also a doctor. i have never bad a problem with him watching my kids, nor have have any of my 5 siblings. they have all sent kids on multiple night trips with him. I would trust him and in fact any of his gay friends with my kids. being gay is not a prerequisite to being a pedo.
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Locked
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:12am… As opposed to all the pedophilia and sexual abuse that has plagued the Scouts for years already? Robertson, as usual, doesn’t think before he speaks.
It’s a private organization and they can set their own rules; but honestly, I think that gay leaders “outing” themselves would bring increased scrutiny upon themselves just from anti-gay advocates and would in fact alleviate the problem. The likelihood that they’d get away with sexually abusing children would become even smaller, because all the focus would be on them and any hint of abuse would create an immediate investigation.
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4truth2all
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:40amBut honestly … have the homosexual come and baby sit your kids then …
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2GodBeTheGlory
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:46am@Locked
I understand what you are saying, however, I do not want my sons to be one of the children that would be the recipient of the inevitable action. To scar a child for life, or to place a child in harms way in this fashion just to tech a lesson is not a path I willing to go down.
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Locked
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:55am@4truth2all
“But honestly … have the homosexual come and baby sit your kids then …”
If I knew the person? I’d have no issue with it. If the person was a pedophile? Then I would.
Homosexual does not equal pedophile. Studies have shown that there’s no more of a risk of a homosexual being attracted to children than a heterosexual (Citations: Groth & Gary, 1982, and by Nathaniel McConaghy (1998), if you want to check for yourself). That’s why, even though 80% of Catholic sexual abuse was against boys, Protestant denominations have at least three times the sexual abuse overall compared to Catholics.
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Locked
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:57am2beglory
“however, I do not want my sons to be one of the children that would be the recipient of the inevitable action.”
I may be misunderstanding, but are you saying that having male children raised or cared for by homosexual men will “inevitably” lead to pedophilia? Because that’s incredibly false.
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katzmeow44
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 10:47amLocked,
You’re forgetting the facts of what these men actually do to each other. Think about the mechanics of the acts they perform, the filth, the stench and fecal matter. And they enjoy the hell of that! And you think it’s not right for us to question whether or not these men are morally corrupt?! You are ok with men who do that disgusting act being around your sons?! Want some more graphic details? These men look for tighter orifices once they’ve streched out their partners. Now have a nice day, I hope you weren’t eatting while reading.
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4truth2all
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 10:51amYo Locked :
I got the exact responce from you I expected down to the “study”.
First: please check out my response to you on the story of the” creationists nightmare”.(respond here if you wish) … the rich man was a real encounter.
Second: a pedophile doesn’t tell you that he is such.
Third: please point to scripture that would call having a homosexual as a baby sitter wise/wisedom!
Fourth: bet I could find “studies” that said they are bad bad boys!
Fifth: I don’t hate homosexuals
Sixth: I’m not looking down the barrel of a loaded gun even if someone says the safety is on.
Seventh: you again seem to take a position that goes against ALL of scripture ( as you say you are one). Does scripture not overrule “your” study ??? and for that matter “your” thinking ???
Final: Jesus never spoke well of the Pharisees
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Locked
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 11:04am@Katzmeow
“You’re forgetting the facts of what these men actually do to each other.”
I never even thought about it, actually. I’d have just as much of an issue with a heterosexual couple having sex in front of my kids as I would a homosexual couple. And I’d never let either couple babysit them.
“Think about the mechanics of the acts they perform, the filth, the stench and fecal matter. And they enjoy the hell of that!”
And some people like S&M. Weirds me out, but if they keep it in the bedroom I don’t much care.
“And you think it’s not right for us to question whether or not these men are morally corrupt?!”
Strawman argument – I never said that. Homosexuals are sinners, and I don’t doubt that. So are people who remarry, but I am not morally outraged if a remarried heterosexual couple was going to babysit my kids. Would you be? Both couples are living in sin. Neither is likely to rape my kids.
“You are ok with men who do that disgusting act being around your sons?!”
Anyone who would teach sexual things to my kids wouldn’t be around them in the first place.
“These men look for tighter orifices once they’ve streched out their partners.”
Citation? I’ve already offered two studies that show there’s no increased rate of pedophilia in homosexuals compared to heterosexuals. Your assertion seems to be false and emotional.
“Now have a nice day”
You do the same! Go with God.
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2GodBeTheGlory
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 11:47am@Locked
My last post never made it for some reason.
The two “reports” that you cite also show that the information that they do have is vary limited. So scientifically, they are basing their assertions on incomplete data, which no “real” published scientist would do.
So, this one comparison, from their own words, that debunk their own assumptions.
- If you actually read their reports, they state that their is an increase in physical, sexual child abuse among homosexuals (as children).
- Child abuse is a behavior that perpetrates in a cycle.
So, by their own assertions to the two above, it would not be prudent to place homosexuals in a position to entrust children into their care as it would INCREASE the possibility of child abuse.
Both articles where making assumptions that are incorrect in nature and scope and therefore should not be used in lue of common sense, or in case of a Christian, against Gods words.
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katzmeow44
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 11:59amLocked,
Thank you for your response. God bless you as well.
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Locked
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:07pm@4truth2all
“I got the exact responce from you I expected down to the “study”.
“First: please check out my response to you on the story of the” creationists nightmare”.(respond here if you wish) … the rich man was a real encounter.”
Ireelevant to the topic at hand – stay on topic. Also, I have no idea what you’re talking about.
“Second: a pedophile doesn’t tell you that he is such.”
*slow clap* Very good. But if the homosexual does, and you’re convinced he’s a pedophile, you know who to overanalyze, right?
“Third: please point to scripture that would call having a homosexual as a baby sitter wise/wisedom!”
What is wisedom? Point to a Scripture that says having ANY babysitter is “wisedom.”
“Fourth: bet I could find “studies” that said they are bad bad boys!”
If you link them, I’d be glad to respond.
“Fifth: I don’t hate homosexuals”
I haven’t said you did.
“Sixth: I’m not looking down the barrel of a loaded gun even if someone says the safety is on.”
Irrelevant.
“Seventh: you again seem to take a position that goes against ALL of scripture”
False. Unless you’re denying that Christ said we’re all sinners?
“Final: Jesus never spoke well of the Pharisees”
Irrelevant.
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Locked
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:18pm@2begod (sorry, put the wrong name before)
“The two “reports” that you cite also show that the information that they do have is vary limited. So scientifically, they are basing their assertions on incomplete data, which no “real” published scientist would do.”
If you have issues with the veracity of their data, then I’d be glad to hear them. What do you mean by “incomplete” and “limited”? As far as I’ve seen, their methodologies are sound and their results are not corrupted. But, same as I said @4truth2all, if you have other valid studies, I’d be glad to look at them.
“If you actually read their reports, they state that their is an increase in physical, sexual child abuse among homosexuals (as children).
- Child abuse is a behavior that perpetrates in a cycle.”
That’s an odd assertion to make, as the conclusion of the Groth article states plainly: “The research to date all points to there being no significant relationship between a homosexual lifestyle and child molestation. There appears to be practically no reportage of sexual molestation of girls by lesbian adults, and the adult male who sexually molests young boys is not likely to be a homosexual.”
What you are describing is pedophilia, not homosexuality. The Gstudy makes that clear – those who sexually abuse minors often aren’t attracted to adults of either sex. Your conclusion is at odds with the actual study’s conclusion.
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:35pm@Locked
I would like to thank you for your reason and rationality. Although we do not agree on god and religion…I take time to read your responses and truly respect your thoughts. Thanks!
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2GodBeTheGlory
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:47pm@Locked
“If you have issues with the veracity of their data, then I’d be glad to hear them. What do you mean by “incomplete” and “limited”? As far as I’ve seen, their methodologies are sound and their results are not corrupted. But, same as I said @4truth2all, if you have other valid studies, I’d be glad to look at them.”
It was their assessment that the data was incomplete, not mine. They stated in the articles that because of the lack of reporting they knew that the data set they where working with was quit small and incomplete. As far as another “valid” study I would put forward, no, I don’t have one because the data does not exist, however, I would never point to a study that obviously had vary limited data to sway opinion.
“hat’s an odd assertion to make, as the conclusion of the Groth article states plainly: “The research to date all points to there being no significant relationship between a homosexual lifestyle and child molestation.”
Regardless of their incorrect conclusion, they both say of the data itself that a large percentage of homosexuals where in fact molested themselves as children. Read the entire article.
Pedophilia and homosexuality can be one in the same. If an adult engages in a sexual manner with a child of the same sex, that is the definition of homosexual, regardless of the adult and child’s age. The ACT would be both pedophilia, sexual child abuse, and homosexuality, technically speaking.
continued…
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Locked
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:50pm@Doors
Thank you for the kind words. Just please keep in mind I’m not “pro-gay;” I still very much believe homosexual activity to be a sin. Where I seem to diverge from my fellow Christians most often is just that we’re ALL sinners, and homosexuality is no worse than the sins that many commit and excuse for themselves. We’re all God’s children, and while it’s not wrong to call out sin when we see it, I find it highly immoral to punish others for sins we find especially detestable while excusing ourselves.
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2GodBeTheGlory
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:55pm@Locked
continued from previous.
Remember that pedophilia is not necessary a physical act against a child. Legally it could be the ACT of having a picture of a naked child, or a picture of children in sexual positions or acts, however, the person holding, looking, and distributing those pictures are considered a pedophile. However, homosexuality is defined by the DIRECT desire to a sexual act and or by having sexual intercourse with someone of the same sex. Therefore, a person attempting to remove the word or act of homosexuality from the act of having sex with a child of the same sex is wrong. You cannot remove or change the definition to suite your position.
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:58pm@locked
I completely understand, you remind me of myself when I considered myself christian. Maybe athiesm is in your future:) just kidding…keep up the good work.
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Locked
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:02pm@2godbe
“Pedophilia and homosexuality can be one in the same.”
This is correct, but the next sentence:
“If an adult engages in a sexual manner with a child of the same sex, that is the definition of homosexual, regardless of the adult and child’s age.”
Is incorrect (which is what Groth points out). Homosexuality is attraction to someone of the same sex – and by someone, we’re talking about adults. A “homosexual pedophile” would find ALL males attractive – children or adults. A homosexual is not attracted to children. A pedophile is not attracted to adults. So when we link the words together, it’s technically incorrect to call a pedophile a homosexual pedophile if they’re only interested in children.
It’s the youth, not the sex, that turns on a pedophile (hence why most pedophiles attack both boys and girls).
“It was their assessment that the data was incomplete, not mine. They stated in the articles that because of the lack of reporting they knew that the data set they where working with was quit small and incomplete.”
Could you provide the link that you’re using? Mine says (in the abstract):
“A random sample of 175 males convicted of sexual assault against children was screened with reference to their adult sexual orientation and the sex of their victims.”
There seems to be nothing mentioned about an incomplete set of data, but I’d like to see what you’re reading to conclude that. Thank you!
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2GodBeTheGlory
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:04pm@Locked
In your post to “@Doors”, you stated that you “find it highly immoral to punish others for sins we find especially detestable while excusing ourselves”. It was not I or many others that dictated the punishment for the act in question. Many people think that there where many reasons to be stoned to death in the Old Testament, and they would be incorrect. There where event fewer “abomination”. The question you should ask yourself is why God placed such a high punishment on homosexuality but not on stealing, or lying? Please pray about that. Allow Him to reveal to you as to why He wanted it that way.
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Locked
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:16pm@2godbe
“It was not I or many others that dictated the punishment for the act in question.”
I think you misunderstand me. I’m not speaking about stoning, which hasn’t been followed by most Christians for thousands of years. I’m speaking about modern-day Christians who will discriminate against gays and base it on Scripture, but freely ignore many other sins that they commit.
My specific example here was hiring a gay couple to babysit, compared to hiring a heterosexual couple that has remarried. We know remarriage is adultery by Jesus’s own words. Yet I doubt anyone would think twice about a good married couple babysitting their kids – but gays give them the creepin’ heeby-jeebies?
In addition we know through scientific studies that pedophiles are just as commonly found among heterosexual as among homosexual men (and at below-average rates among lesbians). We also know that BSA has a history of problems with pedophilia – which has been written off as “homosexual,” but was actually committed by supposedly heterosexual men. They didn’t go for boys because they’re attracted to men; they went for boys because they’re attracted to children.
Many Christians have been misled into believing that homosexuality is correlated to heterosexuality. It simply isn’t so, and we, as followers of Christ, should be leading the charge to stop those lies put forth by our own brothers and sisters.
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2GodBeTheGlory
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:22pm@Locked
You are incorrect on your definition of homosexuality. You will not find a credible definition that stipulates age when discussing the ACT. To state that one existed is paramount to changing the definition. You, nor Groth can change the definition to suite your position.
Please see:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/homosexual
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Locked
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:32pm@2godbe
“You will not find a credible definition that stipulates age when discussing the ACT. To state that one existed is paramount to changing the definition. You, nor Groth can change the definition to suite your position.”
I do see your point, except that the problem is you’re still intrinsically linking pedophilia to homosexuality. Do you, for example, call pedophiles who abuse both boys and girls “bisexual pedophiles?” Or do you call those who only rape girls “heterosexual pedophiles?” Generally these terms are not used – but “homosexual pedophile” is thrown around willy-nilly. Why?
“Homosexual pedophile” creates a connection between the two – that sex and age is relevent. If this is true for men attacking boys, why is it not used for men attacking girls, or men attacking boys and girls? While you may be arguing specificity of the sex of both the victim and attacker (which I do not contend is incorrect), why do you think it’s not done for other forms of pedophilia?
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2GodBeTheGlory
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:45pm@Locked
Be careful when you read the Bible, or haven it explained to you. Jesus does state that there is a ligament reason for divorce and therefore the path to remarry, however, the first condition MUST be met, i.e. fornication, which is not necessarily adultery.
I do agree that many “people of faith” tend to turn a blind eye to other sin, either for convenience or just because it suites their desires, and in that you are correct in saying that it is wrong to do so. You are correct that people of faith should point out each others faults in loving correction, without the beam in their own eyes. However, you need to understand that even though all sin causes everyone to fall short of the Glory of God, there are sins that are abomination and why they are. There are sins that just causes a person to have problems in their own life, but then there are Sins that causes problems for the whole community. Understanding how this happens and why, will show you why God placed a higher punishment.
You also misread the bible in thinking that different sexual problems are to be viewed as just different issues. God shows us that all sexual problems are to be shunned and NOT accepted, regardless of what a “scientist” concludes. For you see, man or women’s desire that is for self pleasure is in fact a sin, regardless of it’s type.
Should Christians just shut-up when they see a problem. No, Jesus hit the problems head on.
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Locked
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:00pm@2godbe
“Jesus does state that there is a ligament reason for divorce and therefore the path to remarry, however, the first condition MUST be met, i.e. fornication, which is not necessarily adultery.”
I very much disagree with your interpretation (Jesus said there is a reason to divorce, but there is NEVER one to remarry, only to reconcile), but that’s a theological debate based upon your faith and my own, and not really relevant to the topic at hand.
“However, you need to understand that even though all sin causes everyone to fall short of the Glory of God, there are sins that are abomination and why they are.”
I feel this is also a theological disagreement. Yes, some sins won’t cause damage to society and others may, but all sins but one are equally repulsive. Many sins were labeled abominations throughout the Bible, but Christ Himself said that they’re all equally sinful. But again, we’ll likely just agree to disagree on this.
“You also misread the bible in thinking that different sexual problems are to be viewed as just different issues. God shows us that all sexual problems are to be shunned and NOT accepted, regardless of what a “scientist” concludes.”
If you think I’ve misread something, please quote it. However, saying “homosexuality does not correlate to pedophilia” is not anti-Scripture. Both are sins, but one doesn’t cause the other. You may be implicitly agreeing to that fact, but it seems you won’t say it?
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2GodBeTheGlory
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:01pm@Locked
I do not link pedophilia to homosexuality directly, however, legally, the pedophilia is ALWAYS the case of sexual ABUSE when an adult sexually assaults a child. A person who sexually abuses both girl and boy are vary sick individuals and is in the definition of the word bisexual.
It appears that you use the word “pedophilia” to denoted action against, which would be incorrect. Sexual abuse of a child is the legal term used in most states. The definition as you described “heterosexual pedophiles” is not as dangerous as “sexual abuse of a child” regardless of child’s sex. “homosexual pedophile” does not mean by definition of a man attacking a boy or women attacking a girl.
I think your having problems with the definitions of words as people keep trying to change them to suite there conclusions.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pedophilia
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4truth2all
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:03pmYo Locked:
You really are full of yourself aren’t you ?
Please no full of yourself responce necessary …
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4truth2all
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:21pmAlso Locked:
wisdom: my mistake …
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2GodBeTheGlory
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:22pm@Locked
You stated this originally:
“The likelihood that they’d get away with sexually abusing children would become even smaller, because all the focus would be on them and any hint of abuse would create an immediate investigation.”
But then state:
“If you think I’ve misread something, please quote it. However, saying “homosexuality does not correlate to pedophilia” is not anti-Scripture. Both are sins, but one doesn’t cause the other.”
So which is it? Does having a sexual deviant in your house watching your kids less or equally dangerous to a couple that where divorced that are now married? We know for a FACT that the homosexual community have attempted and continued to do so, to infiltrate all places in the guise of “civil liberties”. Does the church have a right to refute their claim? Does an organization of the right or ability to refuse someone because of their deviant nature? I would not allow an unrepentant sexual predator regardless of the type to be in my home or to render business services to them. Nor would I allow them to hold positions within the church. If I was voted down, then I would leave the church.
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Locked
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:27pm@2godbe
I was confused what you mean here, but I think I figured it out. You’re talking about attraction, correct? As opposed to action (sexual abuse)? In that case, yes, you are right. ****/hetero/bi-sexual has to do with attraction. Pedophilia, similarly, is attraction to young children (of either sex). You are quite right in that I’ve been referring to pedophiliac acts, not simply attraction. I don’t see the clarification making much of a difference though – I’m not going to let a pedophile, even if he only dreams about raping children, babysit for me!
My point is that you’re differentiating between pedophiles who only rape those of the same sex (in your words: homosexual pedophiles), but not pedophiles who rape those of the opposite sex or both sexes (in your words: pedophiles). The reason I say this is correlating homosexuality and pedophilia is because you don’t seem to list bisexual pedophiles or heterosexual pedophiles – the only discrimination you make based on sexual orientation is when it involves homosexuality.
Which brings us back to the origina point. Gays are no more likely than non-gays to be pedophiles. Hence why I see no issue in having a gay couple babysit for me than I do a heterosexual couple – as long as none of them are pedophiles.
And when it comes to the BSA, if you’re -really- worried that gay scout masters are going to rape boys, having them out themselves makes it easier to keep an eye on them
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Locked
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:37pm@2godbe
“So which is it? Does having a sexual deviant in your house watching your kids less or equally dangerous to a couple that where divorced that are now married?”
Whoa, you just took the last several well-thought out responses and jumped off the tracks on the crazy train.
Scientifically? It’s equally unlikely that the heterosexual will be a pedophile. As I said before. You said that the studies were flawed, but have not yet supplied the link to where you found that information, nor have you supplied other studies to prove the opposite is true.
Scripturally? Both couples are living in sin and thus “sexual deviants” by biblical standards, because getting remarried after divorce to a different spouse is still adultery. Neither has anything to do with some kind of inherent danger to kids.
“I would not allow an unrepentant sexual predator regardless of the type to be in my home or to render business services to them. Nor would I allow them to hold positions within the church. If I was voted down, then I would leave the church.”
And I wouldn’t let a pedophile do any of these things either. Heck, I’d take it a step further. I wouldn’t let even a repentent pedophile babysit my kids! You still seem to be correlating pedophilia and homosexuality, however (or you meant something else by “sexual predator”). Otherwise you seem to be vigorously agreeing with me, which is nice, but a little redundant?
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2GodBeTheGlory
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:55pm@LOCKED
We will agree to disagree that homosexuals are more likely to sexually assault or manipulate children to their way of thinking. Or that their position of authority is then inferred by parents as to someone that their son should look up to.
The other problem with homosexuals in the Boy Scouts include them not following the oath as pointed out by Woodyee in a post below:
“On my honor I will do my best – To do my duty to GOD and MY COUNTRY and to obey the Scout Law; To help other people at all times; To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake, and MORALLY STRAIGHT.”
You cannot live in sin, not repentant and be morally straight in following God’s will.
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Locked
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 3:07pm@2godbe
“We will agree to disagree that homosexuals are more likely to sexually assault or manipulate children to their way of thinking. Or that their position of authority is then inferred by parents as to someone that their son should look up to.”
Well, I’m amenable to the second sentence, but I still have seen no evidence for the first. I prefer to go where the facts take me; but yes, we can each make our own choices on the matter :-)
“On my honor I will do my best – To do my duty to GOD and MY COUNTRY and to obey the Scout Law; To help other people at all times; To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake, and MORALLY STRAIGHT.”
You cannot live in sin, not repentant and be morally straight in following God’s will.”
I’m still not seeing the problem. Engaging in homosexual acts is a sin, true – but so are tons of things other people do. Lying. Working on the Sabbath. Jealousy. All sins. I don’t think we should -ignore- these sins; I simply don’t think that homosexuality should be the only sin that disqualifies an otherwise competent and morally sound scout master. Granted, it’s up to the BSA if they want to change their regulations, not you or I.
By the way, it’s been a pleasure talking to you. On the whole you’ve been polite and well-articulated, and that’s not something often found on comment threads. May God bless and keep you, brother!
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2GodBeTheGlory
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 3:22pm@LOCKED
Yes, it has been a good conversation. We may not believe the same way, however, Christians would be wise in understanding that each person can share their beliefs without attacking or belittling the other. That is childish and not at all in the way we are taught by our Lord and Savior.
My God keep you on His path for His reasons. I’ve learned that I do not know His path for my life, and am wise enough to know that I do not want to know. Every day is a gift and a challenge to keep my self for Him, not me, my wife, my children, or my work.
I apologize for my my jumping around, yes ADHD is difficult, been med free for over 40 years. I look at as a gift when I can control it…. :)
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4truth2all
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 6:32pmYo Locked:
Decided to respond futher
First … how can to say something is irrelevent (off topic) and then say that you don’t even know what I was talking about? I also clearly stated that it had to do with another topic , but your need for unecessary correction is typical.
Second … thanks for the applause. I think I will error on the side of caution > hence my statement about the barrel of the gun = relevent
Wisdom … if we are to remove an unrepentant sinner from the church ( as scripture says) why would we welcome one in espesially in a position of authority? I believe based on scripture this is simply unwise … and has nothing to do with MY perfection and the reason I said that I did/do not hate homosexuals ( never said that you said I did).
Fourth … how about you pay me $100.00 for every study I can find that is the opposite of yours .. otherWISE I am not going to waste my time for your peer review and irrelevent opinion.
The Pharisees … you brought up church leaders which I found irrelevent to the story, and this was the reason for my mention of them so I find your irrelevent comments to be irrelevent. Something is not irrelevent just because you the great Locked don’t get the point.
And now I’ll respond as you … I never said that I was not a sinner and that had NOTHING to do with my statement concerning scripture … irrelevent!
good day …
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Locked
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 10:04pm@4truth2all
You came a bit late to this party, honestly, and have added nothing.
“First …”
Then relate it to the topic or reply to the original one. I’m not doing your work for you.
“Second … thanks for the applause. I think I will error on the side of caution”
That’s your right. If you (erroneously) think all gays are pedophiles, feel free to pull them out of BSA. They’ve had enough sexual abuse so even without gay scout masters!
“Wisdom …”
Ohhhh, you meant wisdom. Well, your original comment still makes no sense. Thanks!
“Fourth … how about you pay me $100.00″
Nope, not how it works. You want to debate facts? provide them. Otherwise you’re trolling.
“The Pharisees … you brought up church leaders…”
No, actually. I just checked all of my comments here and I -never- mentioned church leaders. Feel free to provide a quote.
“And now I’ll respond as you … I never said that I was not a sinner and that had NOTHING to do with my statement concerning scripture … irrelevent!”
And I never claimed you were or were not? I said, and I quote:
“Homosexual does not equal pedophile.”
You’re irrelevant because you don’t respond to the topic at hand, nor the comments made. Honestly, I’m not sure what you’re responding to besides arguments made in your own head. So again,
*slow clap*
Good effort, cupcake!
“good day …”
And may you have a good day as well! May God bless you and aid your endeavours!
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4truth2all
Posted on February 8, 2013 at 9:40amYo Locked:
First: I did say that it was another story, did say that you did not respond to my last post even gave you ” creationists nightmare” for you to search and respond, even said that you could respond here … what is your problem
Second: I never said eluded to or insinuated that ALL homosexauals are pedophiles.
Wisdom: I understand that you don’t understand
The $100.00 I’m not here to “debate” and it certainly wasn’t trolling. Well wait a minute … if you say it was maybe it was …
You brought up the occurances in the Catholic and Protestant Church (the priests) = my statement of the pharasees.
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4truth2all
Posted on February 8, 2013 at 9:50amYo Locked:
You say: “Good effort, cupcake”
This statement is a reflection of YOU, not me … and I doubt that you would be saying that to my face, so what does that make YOU. This also completely nullifies your last sentence which would be most hypocritical double speak but then the lack of wisdom and the multitude of pride would be blinding and enabling … good day
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Locked
Posted on February 8, 2013 at 10:08am@4truth2all
“… what is your problem”
I repeat: I’m not doing your work for you. If you want a response, do the work.
“Second: I never said eluded to or insinuated that ALL homosexauals are pedophiles.”
And I didn’t claim you did. You are obviously insinuating that gay scout masters will be pedophiles. That’s… you know… kind the of the entire point of the article?
“The $100.00 I’m not here to “debate” and it certainly wasn’t trolling.”
I’m honestly not sure why you’re here besides trolling. And yes, demanding money or else you won’t respond is indeed trolling (By Faith did the same thing a few days ago). As said – I’m not doing your work for you. You want an adult response? Respond like an adult, not a kindergartener.
“You brought up the occurances in the Catholic and Protestant Church (the priests) = my statement of the pharasees.”
I brought up church leaders accused of sexual abuse in an article about sexual abuse. That you’re unable to see how those two relate is due to your own shortcomings. Hence why your comment (which did not address the issues at hand) was irrelevant. So, as I said before:
“You’re irrelevant because you don’t respond to the topic at hand, nor the comments made. Honestly, I’m not sure what you’re responding to besides arguments made in your own head. So again,
*slow clap*
Good effort, cupcake!”
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Locked
Posted on February 8, 2013 at 10:15am@4truth2all
“This statement is a reflection of YOU, not me”
How so? You’re all fluff and no substance. You are a cupcake. If you’re offended, feel free to actually respond to the topic at hand, supply citations, or respond competently. If you had substance, you wouldn’t be a cupcake.
“… and I doubt that you would be saying that to my face”
Oh, internet tough guy. You’re really not helping your case here.
“This also completely nullifies your last sentence which would be most hypocritical double speak”
By wishing that God blesses you? Gosh, what a twisted mind you must have, when blessings and prayers are bad things. I don’t wish ill upon you. I simply see no reason to see you as anything but a troll, because you refuse to actually provide substance to a conversation.
“good day.”
Ironically, wouldn’t you wishing me a “good day” after lobbing insults be exactly the kind of “hypocritical double speak” you just ranted about? Either way, thank you, and may God grant you a pleasant Friday as well!
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4truth2all
Posted on February 8, 2013 at 11:02amYo Locked:
Typical Locked double speak … you call me cupcake from your computer and then when I respond you call ME THE INTERNET tough guy… you sir are acting like a jerk !!! Also please show me where I personally attacked you …
You are correct I am wondering why I waste my time speaking to someone who is completely full of themself.
If I am not helping myself, you certainly are not setting a very christ like example.
I said: “Second: I never said eluded to or insinuated that ALL homosexauals are pedophiles.”
You said: And I didn’t claim you did. You are obviously insinuating that gay scout masters will be pedophiles. That’s… you know… kind the of the entire point of the article?
Is this not a contradiction on your part ?????????????????
I have said; why take the chance from the get-go and gave anologies that you completely miss and then accuse me of fluff.
What is the work that I am supposed to do ? Are you not capable of typing and clicking?
From fluff and stuff, not clapping
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Locked
Posted on February 8, 2013 at 11:41am@4truth2all
“you call me cupcake from your computer and then when I respond you call ME THE INTERNET tough guy…”
I explained why I called you a cupcake – no substance, all fluff. Thinking about it, probably not particularly good for health, either. You really seem upset about it, but all you need to do is respond with something other than… well, how you’ve been responding.
“Also please show me where I personally attacked you …”
I never claimed you did. I said you only lob insults and add nothing to the discussion.
“If I am not helping myself, you certainly are not setting a very christ like example.”
By responding to an internet troll like yourself? I suppose that’s true. The Christ-like thing would be to move on. Alas, I feel compelled to point out your mistakes in a (perhaps overly optimistic) hope that you’ll learn from them.
“Is this not a contradiction on your part ?????????????????”
Obviously not. You said “ALL.” I specified the ones we’re talking about here. There’s a difference, as you misrepresented what I said originally, and I corrected you. Also, your question mark key seems stuck.
“I have said; why take the chance from the get-go and gave anologies”
You gave no reason nor justification for correlating homosexuals and pedophiles. Hence, fluff.
“What is the work that I am supposed to do?”
Backing up your opinions (or perhaps questioning them if you can’t back them up) would be a good start.
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4truth2all
Posted on February 8, 2013 at 12:08pmYo Locked:
You are so predictible … instead of an apology ( not that this cupcake needed one) for the “offence” you heap apon it a futher attempt to insult. You are still acting the jerk. You buddy have a serious issue with pride. You are correct on at least one issue … time to move on …
Final: don’t blame me for your poor example, so typical of your “trolling” …
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Locked
Posted on February 8, 2013 at 12:37pm@4truth2all
Alas, as said, it was an overly optimistic hope that you’d actually engage in the discussion instead of insults and fluff. When you wish to actually discuss the topic like an adult, I look forward to it!
May God watch over you.
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4truth2all
Posted on February 8, 2013 at 12:58pmYo Locked:
Thank you … your last post was nothing but one of superiority, pride and insults.
And you then in arrogance say God Bless. I don’t smack someone and then say blessings to you, how arrogant …. keep talkin you might “see” your own words at some point
I did ask you to provide the offensive or if you wish insulting words and comments I made to you … you responded with everything but … so I again ask?
Otherwise I’m done … no matter how difficult you make it to do such.
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Locked
Posted on February 8, 2013 at 1:39pm@4truth2all
I said it before, and I’ll say it again: “When you wish to actually discuss the topic like an adult, I look forward to it!”
I see no reason to answer the demands from someone who has clearly demonstrated he will not or cannot stay on topic nor justify his own opinions. You don’t teach a child throwing a temper tantrum to grow up by indulging them. How about you respond to the topic and the several times I’ve asked you to explain your views correlating gays and pedophiles before you go off on yet another tangent?
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4truth2all
Posted on February 8, 2013 at 2:59pmYo Locked:
Thank you again … you did not answer my ONE SIMPLE QUESTION …
I have had No temper tantrums .. not even close … you DO NOT posess that power over me,
and AGAIN you are the adult here and I the child … yet it is you whom continues to insult and claim superiority = me/child … you/adult.
I have stated my “opinion” and used “parables’ or statements to back them up …
so for the final time
I never said that ALL homosexuals are pedophiles. I have only said that you don’t play with rattlesnakes.
I believe that homosexuals have no place in the LEADERSHIP of the Boy Scouts, and this is based on their own motto and what they stand for and it wouild be nice for them to stand their ground with courage as God would have them do.
Is this adult enough for you … ?
If you disagree … fine … that does not make me incorrect and in need of YOUR correction.
Scripture tells us to NOT be to unequally yoked … and since I base my thinking on scripture it is the reason that I would take this position.
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Locked
Posted on February 8, 2013 at 3:14pm@4truth2all
Hm. Looks like you lied when you said “I’m done.”
“you did not answer my ONE SIMPLE QUESTION …”
Here are the insults quoted from your last post alone: “superiority… pride…insults… arrogance … arrogant… offensive …”
Yikes, and that’s only one post!
“I have had No temper tantrums .. not even close … you DO NOT posess that power over me,
and AGAIN you are the adult here and I the child … yet it is you whom continues to insult and claim superiority = me/child … you/adult.”
You know, USING capital LETTERS while DEMANDING you’re not having a TANTRUM is… well, more than a bit silly, don’t you think? But hey, you finally responded… you didn’t back up your opinions, but at least you were finally on topic. Seems tenacity paid off! :-)
“I never said that ALL homosexuals are pedophiles.”
And again, I never claimed you did.
“I have only said that you don’t play with rattlesnakes.”
Why do you consider gays rattlesnakes? This is the crux of the problem. We could put it another way, like “I’m not saying ALL mexicans are thieves, but if you shot into a crowd of Mexicans, you’d hit a thief.” Why are you correlating the two (homosexuality/pedophilia) at all?
“I believe that homosexuals have no place in the LEADERSHIP of the Boy Scouts, and this is based on their own motto and what they stand for and it wouild be nice for them to stand their ground with courage as God would have them do.”
Good answ
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4truth2all
Posted on February 8, 2013 at 3:39pmYo Locked:
Now I’m a liar … because you all but beg me to respond and I then do when I did intend to be done … and THAT (here comes the temper tantrum) IS EXACTLY why I say what I say about you. I’m sorry but I do find you quite prideful … if I overstated that my apologies (see it isn’t that hard)
I don’t consider homosexuals rattlesnakes you really don’t get the point do you ??????????????????? sorry it got stuck again.
Now watch this … now that I have your approval (good answ) and will sleep like a log
and my word … I’m done here
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Locked
Posted on February 8, 2013 at 4:10pm@4truth2all
“Now I’m a liar…”
Well, you lied when you said “I’m done,” so… yes? What do you call someone who just lied?
“(here comes the temper tantrum)”
Hm. Guess it was also a lie that I don’t have “that power” over you.
“I’m sorry but I do find you quite prideful”
God gives us all challenges. If pride is mine, I’ll try my best to face it. I don’t consider myself prideful, but I do consider myself secure in my beliefs and able to back them up. If that comes off as pride to you, I can understand why you fail to back up your opinions. I think that’s misguided, however.
“if I overstated that my apologies (see it isn’t that hard)”
I don’t think you did, but thank you anyway!
“I don’t consider homosexuals rattlesnakes you really don’t get the point do you”
Actually, I think I do get the point. I’m asking why -you- don’t. Why do you correlate homosexuality and pedophilia when there’s no actual statistically significant connection between the two?
“??????????????????? sorry it got stuck again.”
Canned air. It works wonders.
“now that I have your approval (good answ)”
Sorry, it was cut off. Should have been “good answer.” Because for once you said something that makes sense – it’s up the BSA to decide who is and is not a fit leader in their organization; not you, I, or the government.
“and will sleep like a log and my word … I’m done here”
Sleep well, and may God guide you.
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V-MindMeld
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:10amThey (the gay guys) just need to form a new order “The Gay Scouts of America” and leave the Real Boy Scouts alone!!!!!!!!!!! end of subject. I am so sick and tired of political correctness. Is there any moral values left in the country?
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:07amThrough the ’70s and ’80s as more and more then grown men stepped forward telling of how they had been sexually molested by scout leaders who were homosexual or bisexual. As predators they knew how to hide in the open and intimidate their prey. During this time the BSA was very near sued out of existence, and many were caught like deer in the headlights as the truth of these assaults came to light. The BSA adopted a no homosexual scout leader policy and even eventually a no gay scouts policy. This dropped the sexual assaults to almost nil in a short time. Occasionally some of these predators do slip through and are dealt with immediately and through law enforcement. The boys are taught to report any such assaults or attempted assaults to others and their parents and to not be swayed by intimidation.
As for any sexual activity, that is in no way a part of scouting. When my wife and I were taking a week long training class, we were not allowed to occupy the same tent. Now, the current batch of upper leadership wants to reverse this? Just more recruiting I guess.
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progressiveslayer
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:22amMorning RJ That’s exactly what it is they’re just recruiting and they’re attracted to the bsa because they’re pervert pedophiles,I’m sure there’s normal men involved with it but you’re always going to have the pedophile trying to gain access to kids to satisfy their perversion. I see where the bsa announced they’re dropping their no gays policy,we’ll see if the molestation rate goes up or not. The sad part is if it does how many boys lives will be destroyed because of their change in policy.
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shorelineliz
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:51amYup. The truth of sexual molestation in these organizations has been suppressed. Just like it has by little catholic altar boys. However, when 14,000 Irish kids come forward…..in court….it’s hard to dismiss that, huh?
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:07amHahaha…you guys are seriously delusional. Yeah, there are no gays in the BSA now. Take statistics much? Your children most likely interact with homesexuals already on a daily basis. You guys should just stay inside and not got anywhere…church, grocery store, movie theatres, schools, restauraunts, sporting events…ect. You guys seriously lack reasoning skills because you have been so jaded by a book written 2000 years ago by bronze age goat herders. GAYS ARE EVERYWHERE!!!!!!! RUN!!!!! Hahaha…thank “god” you guys are a dying breed.
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NOTAMUSHROOM
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:21amWell then, where do gay people come from, genius?
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:21amOh…you shouldn’t go to work either. Just sayin….
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HOOT_OWL
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:27amYou should go find a Bible to read. This perverted and abominable
lifestyle you tout, will loose in the end . By your punk-like youthful drivel,
you will probably witness it first hand.
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:39amI have read the bible. It is morally bankrupted. I was a born again christian for 25 years…I brought many people to the lord…mission trips and all. I still remember my baptism….Then I actually read the bible…and started meeting more people like you and decided to not be a christian anymore. I already was a natural born skeptic that loved science and history…athiesm followed a few years later. I have never been happier…reality is truly special:)
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NOTAMUSHROOM
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:40amPerhaps they should consider working where impressionable children are not………just sayin’.
Geez you Regressives are really that ignorant…..just sayin’.
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Strasser
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:43amHmmm, let’s see if we can think of an analogy. “I’m sorry Mr. Patient, it seems you have cancer. But since it’s already spreading to other parts of your body, rather than treat it, you should just accept it and get used to it.” Brilliant philosophy, genius.
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:55am@Notamushroom
Think! Where is that? And how do we make sure that other behaviors you might deem unsavory be shielded from “impressionable children”? Where might impressionable children be? Should I go over the list again? Church, schools, restauraunts, grocery stores, theme parks, national parks, museums…do I need to go on? THERE ARE GAY PEOPLE EVERYWHERE!!!HIDE YOUR KIDS!!!!Grow up live in the real world…this isn’t Iran…there are gay people in this country.
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shorelineliz
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:56am@ Doors of Deception: You are the Miserable Grinch Robertson talks about. You believe in nothing and nobody but your own sick mind. There is a toilet in there stock full and you want to preach to people here? SAve it Miserable Grinch. Go back to your little cave of garbage where you torment your little puppy all day long.
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shorelineliz
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:59amYou seem to be such an expert. Who is it you are molesting now? I bet you keep a handy list and notes.
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 10:04amHahaha….homesexuality is a cancer….no no trust me you’re the genius. You should come up with an analogy for someone who thinks something is similiar to a cancer, when it’s not, because a skygod sent himself, to sacrifice himself, so he could save us from himself and then wrote a book about it, aproximately 2000 years ago in an extremely illiterate part of the world…the one human sacrifice that actually worked:) I wonder what the Myans were doing wrong? Sci Fi much? Seriously, you’re the genius…
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Zipit
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 10:09amPoor Perception! If there are so many gays, if gays are everywhere, if gays are as influential as a group, as you believe them to be,then why can they/you not just simply, (as many here have suggested), start their/your own little gay scouting group, and LEAVE THE BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA, the hell alone?
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 10:13am@Shore
Don’t know why I’m responding to such a mental midget…but I suppose I must protect my manilness. You seem very unhappy for the record. I’m heterosexual and have a beautiful loving girlfriend and I absolutely love life and the human race…which is why I’m a humanist. I have never molested anyone…not attracted to children sexually. My girlfriend and I plan on having children one day when we are prepared and married however! Seriously, you seem depressed and just generally angry…I don’t think you like people of any gender or pesruasion. Good luck with that..I would pray for you….but nothing fails like payer:)
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 10:22am@shorelineliz
One more thing…every time you type something…because your hate is so palpable…you help create more freethinking athiest/agnostic every time you post some of your drivel. I thank you…keep being crazy!
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Zipit
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 10:40amEvery time a bell rings, an angel get his wings!! TAKE that Lizzy! You palpable, hateful person you!!! Lol!
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HOOT_OWL
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 11:24amDoors. ‘I was a born again christian for 25 years’
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NO.. You were NOT and NEVER was. … REPENT..!
1john 2:18-23 (Warning Against Antichrists)
Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that
the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come.
This is how we know it is the last hour.
They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us.
For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us;
but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know
the truth.
I do not write to you because you do not know the truth,
but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth.
Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ.
Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son.
No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges
the Son has the Father also.
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 11:31amHoot,
You are a hoot. No seriously I was….I was baptized….I even brought my first serious girlfriend to the lord. I really thought Jesus was my friend and most importantly savior…I talked to him everyday. I really truly believed it…up until about 5 years ago. I am not an antichrist or whatever the heck you were talking about….just a good kid who grew up in a christian home who became a good man who is now an athiest. That’s all…
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CapnCrumbles32
Posted on February 8, 2013 at 8:17amThe Boys Scouts of America is an organization based on traditional American and biblical principals. They promote love of God and country. I was a scout through elementary and middle school. I’m familiar with the organization. The point is that there are Christian organizations that are being forced by the government (federal and state) in conjunction with INTOLERANT activist groups, to rescind their God given commands and embrace sinful habits. You ought to be ashamed with the way you act and speak. The level of arrogance you posess is astounding. Deep down you are lost, confused and scared. I’ve dealt with so many people like yourself. You put up a false sense of security to mask the fact that you have no idea who you are, where you came from, why you are here, or what happens to you when you die. You will get the answers you seek. For your sake I hope they come sooner rather than later.
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HOOT_OWL
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:06amTalk to the hand Pat .The un-moral-minority doesn’t want to hear it .
And the week-kneed moral-majority have decided to stand down ..
So they can draw bigger PC crowds at the Sunday-School-Rock-Concerts.!
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SpankDaMonkey
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:02am.
Well I know I’m not buying any more Boy Scout Extra Butter Popcorn…..
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shorelineliz
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 10:04amI stopped buying Girl Scout cookies when I found out little girls as young as 8 had to earn a “reproductive rights badge”. Groan. Sick. Haven’t bought anything from Boy Scouts for years either. Did you see the cost of the popcorn? 20 bucks! Forget it~!
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 10:26amHaha…yeah I’m the grinch…scrooge.
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vaman
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:00amIt’s a stupid argument, coming from a renowned hate monger and christian radical cleric. The mistake simple people like Robertson make frequently is to compare a gay person with a criminal. It’s nothing but a gay bashing technique used by fundamentalists. The same argument was made by radical christians when the south had to integrate the school systems. The argument back then was, black teenage boys would be sex crazed animals raping all of the white girls. Nothing but absolute lies to feed the stupid, uneducated people. Guys like Robertson and his organization should be labeled a hate group. He is an example of why evangelicals are despised by much of America…and for good reason.
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Zipit
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:11amWah!!!!! Wah!!!!
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SREGN
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:14amVaman. Think a minute. there’s a reason girl scout troop leaders are women instead of men. No one is out marching that that is discriminatory. It’s not because all men are criminals. Sometimes it’s just common sense.
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naughtycal
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:17amIt’s stupid argument because….you say so.
Fact is we seperated the boys and girls in the scouts,locker rooms,bathrooms because of sexual objectivication. It’s creates a higher risk of something accuring to have a person in authority position of a group of which he has sexual attraction. Say whatever you want but facts are facts and we don’t call gender asigned bathrooms,locker rooms, and scout HETROPHOBIC but thats what they are using your logic.
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HOOT_OWL
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:19amI’m waiting for you clowns to call a policeman that stops a criminal ‘hateful’.
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:19amI welcome his comments, and many of the Blazer’s comments…they don’t realize how many athiests they are creating:)
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4truth2all
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:21amMonkeys like bananas, they see them they eat them. If you want to label the person that brings this to light hateful … how stipid is that!
Based on the motto and purpose of the Boy Scouts … homosexuals have no place there and I hope they do not COMPROMISE their beliefs just so commenters like you “might” play nice. So label me a hater if you will …I COULD CARE LESS … cause you WILL NEVER judge my soul.
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:43am@SREGN
There are male girl scout leaders. Google it.
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Zipit
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 10:22amSR, DOORS! “There are male girl scout leaders. Google it.”
They’re just in it for the shoes!!!!
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naughtycal
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 10:57amDOP
I don’t recall religion being part of the discussion. But I rather create a 1000 atheists than add one more opportunity for some pervert to create a molested child.
Gays or liberal want to start an orginazation like the boys scouts that allows homosexuals then start one. NO ONES STOPPING YOU OR THEM FROM DOING SO.
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 12:50pmGood, then we are on the same page…sort of. The more athiests…the less sexually repressed people there are. Then they will be less likely to act out on easy targets(children). Let’s do it!
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naughtycal
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 1:58pmDon’t know how you aquaint atheism with a healthier sex life other….but whatever
Start your alternative scouts and stay out of the traditional scout. Glad we agree.
Now Go sodomize something maybe the couch my dog does it so it most be healthy and natural…..right
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 2:54pmWhy do all these “good” christians…who think homosexuality is an abomination keep telling me I molest children or to go sodomize things or that I play with myself all the time? Jesus, what is going through your heads? It sure aint jeebuus.
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naughtycal
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 3:29pmWhy do all “open minded”atheist assume someone who fines homosexuality to be a perversion and abomination must be based on religious beliefs. Are they so narrow minded that they can’t phathom the idea that someone could reject homosexuality as norm based on its being perverted,unnatural,and mental disorder. I don’t what kind of mind the have but it sure isn’t an open one.
Whose the open minded one the people who reject homosexuality but tolerate it or the atheist who reject Christanity and actively protest to change peoples to atheism.
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 3:53pmSo you are not a christian?
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naughtycal
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 4:19pmIf a white christian woman doesn’t eat jelly beans…is that because she’s white,christian or a woman.
If that same person thinks heroin use is wrong is it because she’s white christian or a woman.
if that same person reject communism is it because she white christian or a woman.
Point being people have the ability to formualte oppinions based solely on the facts
Jelly beans are high in sugar causes tooth decay and a can lead to weight gain
Heroin is highly addictive,destructive to the mind,body and the finances of those that use it
Communism robs people of their ability to supply the best they can based their hard work by stealing from those who work the hardiest to give to those who don’t.
Therefore I base my thought on homosexuality on the fact that its a perversion of nature, and clearly a mental disease.
That being said you can eat jelly beans,shoot up heroin,with your gay lover or a so boat to the people republic of china…..Not my business so long as you keep it to your selfand don’t force it on others.
I’m 100% Christian and it’s not my job to save you from you I have a hard enough time trying to save me.
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CapnCrumbles32
Posted on February 8, 2013 at 7:54amYou were never of God, or you would not have departed from him. I would invite you to once more believe in Santa Claus and to return to your ignorance regarding human sexuality. Once the truth has been exposed you cannot return to your blindness, which makes it abundantly clear that you never comprehended the things of God, that the Spirit of God was never found in you. You are a proud and reckless one. You think yourself terribly wise, but are as an utter fool. If you had spent half as much time studying, praying and abiding in his love as you do blaspheming the name of the Lord and deceiving others you wouldn’t be half as lost and confused as you are.
You attempt to speak on what is right and moral, by who’s standard? You? You are to dictate what is acceptable and righteous? Who is anyone to do such a thing but the Lord of Heavens Armies?! And if you had lived in accordance with his commands you would see the wisdom therein. You would know that the law of the prophets is not merely based in the ways of the world and the knowledge of men. You suggest that the scriptures were authored by mere goat herders. Who do you propose that you are that you have such authority over them? The scriptures were penned by men of God’s choosing including princes, kings, prophets, farmers, physicians, fishermen, tax collectors, pharisees etc. I don’t have time to express all that I mean to, but suffice it to say that I am on my knees now. I pray for you and I weep for you. Believe upon J
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huey6367
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 8:57amI think Pat is losing his mind. Did you ever consider that some current scout masters fake being normal people so they can molest kids? It’s not a gay thing.
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shorelineliz
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 10:02amREally? What is “fake” being normal exactly? Can I send you my 25 years of notes from my gay clients? You would scrub and scrub and scrub your skin raw after reading. You don’t want to know what these guys think about 24-7 yet alone what they do with themselves or others and what they “Plan” to do when going out to clubs and other venues. You don’t want to know. I need an exorcism!
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SREGN
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 8:57amThey sure would. I used to own an amusement park and pedophiles were constantly applying for jobs. They were particularly fond of running rides like the merry-go-round where they were in physical contact with children, putting them on and off the horses. I had to be ever vigilant for things like being very handsy with the kids and fostering relationships with parents to have access. Creepy beyond belief.
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shorelineliz
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 10:20amAbsolutely right! They love places where there is easy access to children. That is just about anywhere, eh? They must be full up in Disneyland and Disney World. Of course Hollywood is stock full. Just ask Corey Haim and Corey Feldman. I think Corey Haim killed himself over his molestation a few years back. Corey Feldman spoke out when that happened. They sure shut him up quick!
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mewnani
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 8:56amPat is right actually. There’s a lot of gay people who happen to be pedophiles too. I know of some gay people who wouldn’t hurt a child but there’s some who would for some twisted reason. I know I wouldn’t trust one to babysit my child if I had one.
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lel2007
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 8:55amIn answer to Robertson’s Wondering – Duh.
Boy Scouts already have predators and pedophiles among them, the only difference would be they wouldn’t have to hide their preference for little boys.
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AlansTigg
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 8:55amI believe it is absolutely a concern….but it should have been a concern before. BSA would be very attractive to a pedophile and parents and leaders should have always been aware of that and vigiliant in guarding the children involved. Being gay is not the same as being a pedophile, and a predator is not likely to be announce that they are gay anymore than they would that they are a predator. Bad people usually do whatever they can to avoid suspicion and hide their nature. So while being gay does not make you a pedophile, there are enough people who are concerned about the connection that I seriously doubt they would invite the extra scutiny
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kaydeebeau
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:05amwhile not all homosexuals are pedophiles most pedophiles are homosexual,,,,, somehow in the minds of people they are forgetting the actual meaning of the word homosexual – sex with same gender – since boys are male and a man is male – a male who has sex with a male is a homosexual -the age of the one party is the further classification of the homosexual behavior – pedophile
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AlansTigg
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 11:09ambeing sexually attracted to an adult of the same sex, is NOT the same as being attracted to children. You are talking about sexually immature beings, their gender is far less important than their age and most pedophiles are not attracted to adults at all so they would not living a “gay” lifestyle
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JACKTHETOAD
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 8:51amThey’re not good role models, either…duh.
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woodyee
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 8:51amNo need to wonder about it!
Would you hire a thief to house sit your home?
Would you hire a pedophile to babysit your kids?
Would you hire sexual deviants into a God-fearing organization whose oath is – “On my honor I will do my best – To do my duty to GOD and MY COUNTRY and to obey the Scout Law; To help other people at all times; To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake, and MORALLY STRAIGHT.”
…and NOT EXPECT TROUBLE?
There’d be less trouble if they stick to their motto – “Be Prepared”
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2GodBeTheGlory
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 10:01am@woodyee
Very well said, sir.
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lamarlamar
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 8:49amI once left an alcoholic to take care of my liquor! Enough said.
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:47amYeah, inate sexual attraction and addiction are so similiar. Seriously guys, put down the bible for 5 seconds and pick up a science journal. Who am I kidding you guys have never read the bible either…
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bikerdogred1
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 8:49amI wonder why people don’t like religion,maybe it is because of people like Roberts,who can’t find any good in the world just doom and gloom.
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mewnani
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 8:57amHe does actually. Of course that’s assuming you actually watch the show, which it looks like you haven’t….
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kaydeebeau
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 8:59amPeople “don’t like religion” because it points out the sinfulness of mankind. Narrow is the way….there are many ways to be wrong but only one way to be right – therein lies the problem people have with religion. We, humans have a fatal tendency to try to adjust the truth to fit our desires rather than adjusting our desires to fit the truth
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battles
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 9:44amRoberts sometimes comes up with the correct biblical interpretation about things, but his actual desire is to be the center of attention of the Christian world. The fact that he has taken donations and bought a horse farm shows that he is a worldly Christian. He falls into the same category as most all so called televangelist, seeking donations in the name of furthering the gospel message, but only to spend them on his own self promotion and worldly lust.
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shorelineliz
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 10:22amPeople don’t like religion because it doesn’t allow them to fiddle down their pants all day. It cuts into that time somehow. Go figure?
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 7, 2013 at 10:34am@shoreline
No you’re the reason people don’t like religion.
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