- Aging baby boomer generation bringing issue of assisted suicide to forefront of end-of-life care debate.
- Massachusetts, Connecticut, Vermont, New Jersey, Kansas and Hawaii have bills seeking to legalize assisted suicide. Similar bills are in New Hampshire, New York, Arizona and Montana.
- Opponents to assisted suicide say outside advocates for the practice see the Northeast as ”low-hanging fruit” where they think “‘We can conduct our social experiments here…’”
- 34 states have 100 percent banned assisted suicide

People in favor of assisted suicide sit in the House chamber in Montpelier, Vt., Tuesday, Feb. 27, 2007. (Photo: AP/Toby Talbot)
HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) — A push for the legalization of physician-assisted suicide is under way in a half-dozen states where proponents say they see strong support for allowing doctors to prescribe mentally competent, dying individuals with the medications needed to end their own lives.
The large number of baby boomers facing end-of-life issues themselves is seen to have made the issue more prominent in recent years. Groups such as Compassion & Choices, a national end-of-life advocacy organization, have been working to advance the cause.
Advocates received a boost from last year’s ballot question in Massachusetts on whether to allow physicians to help the terminally ill die. Although the vote failed, it helped to spark a national discussion, said Mickey MacIntyre, chief program officer for Compassion & Choices.
“The Massachusetts initiative lifted the consciousness of the nation and in particular the Northeast region to this issue that there are other alternatives patients and their families should have an opportunity to access,” MacIntyre said.
Bills legalizing assisted suicide are being considered in Connecticut, Vermont, New Jersey, Kansas and Hawaii – and in Massachusetts, where proponents decided to resume their efforts after the public vote, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures, which tracks legislative trends. There are also bills related to the issue under consideration in New Hampshire, New York, Arizona and Montana.
In Connecticut, which has banned the practice since 1969, a group of lawmakers said Tuesday that the legislature’s first public hearing on the subject would probably be held this month. At least two bills on the issue have so far been proposed in this year’s session of the Connecticut legislature.
If the General Assembly votes to legalize the practice, it would be the first state legislature to do so.
Oregon and Washington have passed right-to-die laws, but they did so through voter referendums. Montana’s Supreme Court has ruled that the practice of physicians helping terminally ill patients could be considered part of medical treatments. Thirty-four states prohibit assisted suicide outright. Seven others, including Massachusetts, banned it through legal precedent.
Opponents claim the initiatives in Connecticut are being pushed only by outside groups like Compassion & Choices.
“There’s no grass-roots cry for assisted suicide in the state of Connecticut,” said Peter Wolfgang, executive director of the socially conservative Family Institute. “This is mostly an out-of-state organization that has targeted the state of Connecticut. They look at the Northeast and think this is low-hanging fruit: `We can conduct our social experiments here in the Northeastern United States.’”
In fact, one bill has been filed in Connecticut this year that would establish a mandatory minimum prison term for someone charged with second-degree manslaughter after assisting another person with committing suicide.
A measure dubbed “end of life choices” recently sped through the Vermont Senate Health and Welfare Committee but is expected to face a bumpier ride in the Judiciary Committee. In New Jersey, a bill that would allow doctors to prescribe lethal doses of medication for terminally ill patients wishing to take their own lives cleared an Assembly committee Thursday. That legislation would ultimately be subject to voter approval.
Last November, voters in Massachusetts narrowly defeated a measure legalizing physician-assisted suicide for the terminally ill. Supporters of the concept said they hoped the debate would continue and marked the beginning of a conversation to improve end-of-life care.
In Connecticut, Dr. Gary Blick, a Norwalk physician who specializes in treating patients with HIV and AIDS, said he believes the time is right for state lawmakers to push ahead with this issue. In 2009, he and Dr. Ron Levine, of Greenwich, along with end-of-life advocates, sued to seek a clarification of the state’s decades-old ban on assisted suicide, citing concerns about Connecticut doctors being prosecuted for giving medications to their dying patients.
A judge ultimately dismissed the suit, saying it was a matter for the legislature to decide.
The 1969 Connecticut law states that a person who “intentionally causes or aids another person, other than by force, duress or deception, to commit suicide” is guilty of second-degree manslaughter.
Blick said not all dying patients will want the ability to take their own life, but he said they should be given the choice.
“This is not for everybody. We do realize there are people that do not believe in this for religious beliefs, and I respect that. There are no issues over that,” he said. “But there are those subsets of people that do not want to go through the suffering that they have to go through.”
Cathy Ludlum, of Manchester, a disabled-rights activist who has spinal muscular atrophy, said she is concerned the Public Health Committee has decided to hold the public hearing and worries the issue of doctor-assisted suicide will not go away soon.
“Until people are really educated about the issues, it’s going to keep coming up, even if it’s defeated this time,” she said, adding how she wants lawmakers to focus more on “giving people a good life than giving people a good death.”
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searcher619
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:36pmI don’t get why so many people feel it is their right to tell people who do not wish to live any longer that they HAVE to live. If they are not found to be mentally ill they should be allowed to end their lives if they so choose. It’s the ultimate selfishness to feel a loved one should be forced to live in misery just to keep YOU happy.
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The_Jerk
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:58pmYour statement is so true on so many different levels.
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 8, 2013 at 2:02pmcrazy people on the left – crazy people on the right.
They differ on what they want, but they both seek to control others
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 8, 2013 at 2:16pmas shown below, the Glenn Beck crowd is rejecting the principle of State’s Rights on this issue…..
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Dr Vel
Feb. 8, 2013 at 2:18pmYes and soon they will make it a mandate under obaminationcare. After all old people let out too much gas and are causing global warming.
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AvengerK
Feb. 8, 2013 at 2:29pmA mere few weeks ago Japan’s new Finance Minister said “old people should hurry up and die” because they’re a burden on the state’s finances.
Obamacare was tailored by men like Ezekeil Emanuel (brother of “what shootings in Chicago?” Rahm) who is on record saying that old people and the infirmed do not deserve the same level of health care as “25 year olds”.
Socialists always ALWAYS target the elderly for their eugenics and “clearance” agendas. Reason is twofold, the elderly are a limited time voter and you can’t afford to pay for those endless entitlement programmes you’ve worked so long and hard to impose and that “free” healthcare” with so many old people remaining alive to drain the budget. Additionallly..traditional values like caring for the elderly and the infirmed are meaningless to statists and liberals. These are values that they’ve worked tirelessly to erode and remove from the public face. Why? Fealty to the state. The less you place value in your family and the sanctity of life, the more you look to the state for your needs and belonging. Religion is another favourite target and for the same reasons.
Does anyone believe it’s a coincidence that notoriously liberal states are the “low hanging fruit” mentioned in the article?
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AvengerK
Feb. 8, 2013 at 2:37pmLOL…”any longer than they HAVE to live”. So when your child can’t breathe because of his asthma …let him die? I mean..these people..sorry..burdens… shouldn’t live any longer than they HAVE to live. Look…inhalers cost money and Obamacare is expensive.
Somewhere in hell, Mengele and Marx are crying a tears of joy right now.
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AvengerK
Feb. 8, 2013 at 2:48pmSOYBOMB…you’re confusing the defense of State’s rights with the discussion of the societal values that determine those state’s rights. No one’s going to insist Connecticut reverse a decision to sanction assisted suicide if that’s what the state wants. It’s whether or not it should be permissable in the first place. Heck…Connecticut may enjoy “suicide” tourism if it passes the measure. People convinced they want to kill themselves will travel there to do it. It will be the state of the ready to die. What a special distinction that is.
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 8, 2013 at 2:51pm@AvengerK
As shown below, the people who post on this website do not think it should be allowed at all. So far, not a single one of them has said anything about a state. It is not a stretch because the “conservatives” do the same thing for marijuana and abortion – they think it is a federal issue. Do not pretend this is not the case
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Locked
Feb. 8, 2013 at 3:23pm@Avengerk
“LOL…”any longer than they HAVE to live”. So when your child can’t breathe because of his asthma …let him die?”
Where do you see this as the child’s choice? This is comparing apples and oranges when it comes to the topic at hand. The entire point is: “Does the government have the right to force people who are sound of mind but in terrible, terminal pain keep living against their wills?” The conservative point should (in general) be “No.” And generally this is the case – hence why we have DNR orders.
The only real issue is who decides if someone is sound of mind. Someone could be depressed and seeking help to die, but if their depression were alleviated there’d be no desire to end their life.
I figure the best middle ground would be exhausting all other plausible options before this one is even offered. And if at the end of that the person still wants to end their life? It’s not the state’s place to force them to do otherwise.
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NinjaJuice
Feb. 8, 2013 at 4:01pmYup…
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MONICNE
Feb. 8, 2013 at 4:59pmHave a good (and Godly) weekend off, Avenge the KKK. This was a short week for you with the Banker’s Holiday in Sydney last Monday.
See Yass’ real soon, Auss-Hat. You are losing access to the Boss Lady’s computer so we’ll just wait to see your fresh cut & paste drivel after a restful weekend little copy catfish. Little paste patsy. C’est la vie. (that’s Paris-ite speak.)
Cur-age. It’s getting to be the weekend again, and some of us wankies are getting cranky because soon we will not be able to post until Monday (or Tuesday if there is another Bank Holiday). It is not unusual for uneducated misomaters to say dumb things about the women they fear.
May our Lord Jesus Christ bless you and bring you some measure of peace and hope over the weekend.
TEA – Does Not Mean STUPID
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American Soldier (Separated)
Feb. 8, 2013 at 7:33pmWhy just the terminally ill?
If it’s my body, I should be able to choose whether I live or die. If I want to die, that’s my choice.
Unfortunately for many of you here, I love life so I’ll be around to hassle yall for a quiet a while.
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loneindividual
Feb. 8, 2013 at 8:49pmSoybomb
Government Regulation for Suicide will turn into a Sponsorship for Suicide.
Did you not read the article? The patient needs to be given a choice. Guess who will be selling the case!
The moment we are ok with people advising us to kill ourselves…that’s the end of society.
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Sleazy Hippo
Feb. 9, 2013 at 11:16am((AvenGerK-Hoff” got OWNED. No facts, not on topic. Rant Ratio 4-to-1 against Soybomb.))
I am Spartacus
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Saff SGT
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:13pmLearn to shoot for the head Obamas goons will be wearing armored clothing and vests. Hit the legs or face as fast as you can. Once ther down figure a way to kill them with out wasting a lot of rounds. Anything that kills them is okay because they dont care about you. Screw them before they screw you. This is so American and eye for an eye. I would trade a Liberals life for another day of freedom any time i get the chance.
AmericaMustBeFree
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:23pmYou sincerely need some mental help! Your talking about killing people openly online and if you don’t think they don’t know you your sadly mistaken. We know people can protect themselves and family and kill if we have to.. but you sound crazy.. Don’t put yourself in a place like the Holmes’s and Lanza’s!
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thegreatcarnac
Feb. 8, 2013 at 2:33pmWell…..the advice is out of place in this segment (in a way) but it is good advice if you ever find yourself at war with the “goons” because they will be covered in kevlar.
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AmericaMustBeFree
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:07pmWhat is wrong with these people?????????? I am a baby boomer and my mother still lives.. why i hell wouldn’t I want the same life as my mother? The greatest sin someone can do it to take their own lives! Explain it to God i Heaven.. “Oh, I hurt all the time.. yes, I know I inherited it from my mother.. yes, I know she endured it to the end… well I didn’t know suicide was a sin.. no I gotta go to hell please no no no”.. I hate what this country is becoming. evil looms everywhere.. and for people to be for something like this just makes me sick.
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:32pmyou cannot project your own morals onto someone else…..some of these people are atheists and were raised by the government. Some probably dont have a loving family. But it sounds like these people are experiencing things you never have – so i dont understand how anyone can judge…..
If you believe the Bible, then yes, suicide is a sin. But so is pornography – and it is legal and used by about 50% of the males in this country
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searcher619
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:38pmYou are making a religious argument. and an erroneous one. Your God gave us all free will and expects us to exercise it. What right do you have to interfere in that? I would think it’s a bigger sin for YOU to interfere in the free will of a mentally competent person. the idea that YOU know what best for someone else better than they do is the ultimate show of arrogance.
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The_Jerk
Feb. 8, 2013 at 2:02pmAmerica: “The greatest sin someone can do it to take their own lives!”
We interfere with death, stop death, so often. Aren’t we cheating God’s will? Why isn’t that a sin?
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Saff SGT
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:06pmNotice most of these states are Liberal controled states. obams death camps come in a viriety of configureations. Obama dont wany any ww2, Korean vets alive they are the ones who know the value of the constitution and bill of rights. 70% off all voters that voted for Obama never knew there was aUS Constitution and bill of rights. All they know is videao games. burn the flag and gay rights. and anti Christ. This is what Liberals teach. The ones who cant stop Obama and his Hitler tactics are spated for Death panels action. Stay armed and stay alert
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 8, 2013 at 12:51pmi find it ironic that the ‘republicans’ forbid people from smoking marijuana and at the same time prevent people from ending their suffering…..And the republicans pretend to be the party of individualism and small government!!
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Fubared
Feb. 8, 2013 at 12:56pmShouldn’t you be more concerned about the soy shortage worldwide? Who needs wanker libs, progs, and socialists wearing the D robe when there are bots at every turn?
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:07pmi care more about people being ignorant and foolish than about shortages
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RJJinGadsden
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:10pmFUBARED, There is no SOY shortage, he is below asking stupid questions.
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AmericaMustBeFree
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:17pmAre you kidding me??? You blame Republican’s for not allowing people to smoke pot?? Oh please stop this insanity.. NO Republican’s ever stopped anyone from doing what they want. And if your talking about as a medicine.. there are meds with marijuana I them.. I know because my deceased brother-in-law used it when he was dying from cancer. You people on the left are crazy! If your talking about legalizing it.. WHY?? So you can be stoned all the time?? Listen how many states legalized pot this last election.. just to have the feds stop it.. and we have a Democratic President who certainly didn’t stop them from raiding the pot shops now did he? Stop the lies… and twisted stories!
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:21pm@RJ
You call them stupid questions….But it is the answers that are stupid
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:25pm@AmericaMustBeFree
Yes, it is the republican party who created war on drugs and is primarily responsible for marijuana staying illegal. I am sorry if you cannot handle facts. If republicans are not anti-marijuanna – then how come calling someone “pothead” is their favorite way to character assassinate around here?
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Fubared
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:31pmTofu
Watch, this is staying “on topic”… you need all the weed you can get, I get it.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/02/07/physician-assisted-suicide-measure-passes-nj-assembly/
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searcher619
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:40pmHow can you say all Republicans feel this way?
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Dismayed Veteran
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:59pmSoyBomb
Conservatives oppose assisted suicide because it is the camel’s nose under the tent. Before you know it the camel is in the tent. In this case, the camel is mandatory assisted death by the decree of the government. Watch Soylent Green. What man can imagine, man can do.
The same approach is being used concerning the so called “assault weapons”. First it began with the question “Why would any American need a fully automatic assault rifle?”. So they were banned. The current question is: “Why would any American need a military style assault rifle?” Even though the military style assault rifle is a semi-automatic rifle.
The following is reality. I know because I lived it. My 96 year old mother-in-law lived with us. We took her out of assisted living at her request. They were overdosing her with pain medication. She was afraid she would be killed. My wife and I were her care givers. Towards the end, hospice provided us with a vial of morphine for pain. They strongly encouraged us to medicate her. We learned that autopsies were not conducted on people her age. She did not want the morphine. Each week they gave us a vial and refused to take back the vial from the previous week. When she passed away quietly at home. We had 6 vials of morphine.
In other words, the hospice legally gave us morphine in a quantity that would result in death if given in one dose and provided us with 6 vials. The purpose of which was to end her life.
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 8, 2013 at 2:09pm@Dismayed Veteran
You are making the case for slippery slope, correct?
Well this issue has nothing to do with the government – the question is regarding whether a person has authority over their own body. The slippery slope has more to do with people getting more freedom to make their own decisions and being individuals….So i argue the slippery slope is toward positive things rather than negative things.
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Nepenthe
Feb. 8, 2013 at 12:51pmIt is beyond belief that ‘limited-government’ individuals are arguing against a bill expanding individual freedom.
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RealLiibertarian
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:35pmNo, it’s absolutely believable. Most of the small government types on this board are only in favor of the freedoms they think we should have. They are not really any different from the large government types. Pepole in favour of real freedom are not wanted on this board.
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 8, 2013 at 2:44pmits not beyond belief when you consider they are the same ones who think USA should bomb middle east to pieces, nominate McCain instead of Ron Paul, and Romney instead of Ron Paul.
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tzion
Feb. 8, 2013 at 2:53pmThis isn’t about allowing people to die. These laws are about allowing doctors to kill people. You want to kill yourself badly enough there’s little anyone can do to stop you. But doctors have more important things to do than assist in suicide. If you have no will to live let the doctors treat those who do wish to live. Asking them to help kill you instead of saving others is just selfish.
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 8, 2013 at 4:38pm@TZION
Yes, suicide is a selfish act. But that is not the quesion. Whether someone kills themselves or asks someone else to push a button – it is the same thing
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progressiveslayer
Feb. 8, 2013 at 12:48pmDoctors have been ending peoples suffering for years now, when government gets involved is when you’re asking for trouble.The slippery slope is appropriate here because government will eventually decide who lives and dies when it should be between you and your doctor.
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Nepenthe
Feb. 8, 2013 at 12:54pmThat’s right, it should be between you and your doctor, but that is impossible since it is illegal in most states. Hence, the need for government involvement, which should never have been involved in the first place.
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:35pmif our government decides what type of people are allowed to live in other countries – it is reasonable to think that very same attitude would ultimately be used against people in this country
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truthnstuff
Feb. 8, 2013 at 2:08pmYes, and hospice has been there to help those that are suffering to go out with some dignity. Free will is personal choice and morality, or whatever we want to call it, cannot be legislated. When the government gets involved it will no longer be strictly “personal” choice.
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 8, 2013 at 12:46pmif a “taker” decides he/she would rather not live – i see no reason to stop them
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RJJinGadsden
Feb. 8, 2013 at 12:44pmLOL, I can’t help but laugh at this. The left wing loons want to make it legal to off yourself. Yet, when somebody does commit suicide with a gun, our trolls come out of the woodwork to whine and cry that the person would be alive today if he or she had not had a gun. Go figure?
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goldmind
Feb. 8, 2013 at 12:47pmThis should be a given. Not a law. I don’t want, nor do I need, a witch doctor to tell me the TIME!
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 8, 2013 at 12:49pm@RJ
Is suicide a crime?
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RJJinGadsden
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:09pmSOY, Do your own search on that and read the details. But yes, in some places it still is considered a crime. Having responded to some suicides I have had to write reports regarding that, and quote the law. Even though it seemed odd that on paper I was essentially charging the person for committing his own homicide. I don’t know about today, but my older copy of the UCMJ still considers suicide as a crime.
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:20pmwow. And you think it is a good idea? If the government can say it is a crime to kill yourself, then dont you understand that the government could say eating hamburgers is a crime?
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Fubared
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:33pmThe MASH theme should be playing whenever tofu posts. Or some Zappa.
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4truth2all
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:36pmYo Soy:
If you make a chair it is yours to destroy. If you do not make the chair it is not yours to destroy.
So, yes it is a crime to the maker of the chair.
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 8, 2013 at 2:00pm@4truth2all
Ok then. You will have no right to whine when the democrats come to take away your junk food and soda because those things also destroy your body (your body = temple)…..Gotta love progressivism
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RJJinGadsden
Feb. 8, 2013 at 2:37pmSOY, You asked a stupid question in my opinion, since you could have looked it up yourself. All that I did was answer the question truthfully, and what I had to do while in LE regarding suicide. Now, just what part of a simple straight forward answer do you not understand? Then you want to quibble with me about it while reading something into my answer that was clearly not there. I even clearly said that I thought it was odd to write a report that way listing it as a crime since there was nobody remaining to actually be charged and held accountable. I didn’t write the freakin’ law. As for your hamburger question, have you not been paying attention the past few years? Hamburgers are under attack, and yeah, there are some of these left wing loons wanting to make them illegal or more difficult to attain. Again, put down your herbs for a couple of hours and come back later when what remains of your mind is a bit more clear.
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 8, 2013 at 2:56pm@RJ
I could respect you if you did not use saul alinsky tactics. I have told you on numerous occasions that i do not smoke anything and have never smoked anything. But it is lost on you and your judgemental characterizations.
Suicide is legal…. regardless of what the UCMJ says, it only applies to military. And most americans are certainly not under the UCMJ.
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RJJinGadsden
Feb. 8, 2013 at 3:08pmSOY, There is no way that I am using any Saul Alinsky tactics. Yes, I am aware that the UCMJ applies to military only. My mention of that is a reference to the fact that suicide was illegal back then. I don’t know if 0bama has made a change regarding that. As many times as I have mentioned that here that I worked civilian LE you would think that I know what I am talking about at the very least in my area. It was illegal here to when I was on a police department. But yeah, it has been made legal in many places in this nation now. It does not matter if you or I disagree with any of those laws. I had to follow the law when writing official reports were maintained in the city as well as the state’s database. Man, you need to get yourself sober before you make another idiotic comment like much of what you have said today. You do thoroughly concern me today. Seek help.
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4truth2all
Feb. 8, 2013 at 3:20pmYo Soy:
Nice try … the body is a temple only to those in which the Holy Spirit resides. It is our INDIVIDUAL responsibility to take care of our bodies which is why I limit the junk food and soda … though I did not always. The change was in part/or whole the Lords leading. I am not given the right to destroy it purposefully. God gives the right to sit on the chair/use it, not destroy it.
You can murder yourself, which is what suicide is …! One of the commandments is; thou shall not commit MURDER …
Also: I don’t give one stink about progressivism
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 8, 2013 at 4:47pm@4truth2all
My statement still applies. There is only one reason you/we can come up with against assisted-suicide – and that is God’s law. Therefore, as it does not violate the rights of anybody else, it should not be the role of government to interfere. What you are doing it interposing the government between man and God, where it should not be. And you are doing it based on one person destroying someone else according to their wishes……Well that is the same thing as someone buying a cheeseburger from McDonald’s. By your reasoning, it should be illegal for McDonald’s to provide that service since the food is not healthy to the body
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 8, 2013 at 4:49pm@RJ
See, there you go again accusing me of being drunk. First you try the marijuana route and now it is the alcohol route. I got news for you – i dont drink either. Not even beer. You gotta get over these insult tactics
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RJJinGadsden
Feb. 8, 2013 at 5:12pmNo SOY, I still meant the marijuana. Sobering oneself does not only apply to imbibing too much alcohol.
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 8, 2013 at 5:22pmwell either way you are bearing false witness
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4truth2all
Feb. 9, 2013 at 7:11amYo Soy:
I believe there is a BIG difference between a cheesburger in ones mouth then a gun to ones head (or whatever means chosen). In fact I think it is quite vast … My anology stands on it’s own simplicity, and no weaseling around it disproves it … but this is what men do when the laws of God mean nothing and they wish not to abide, and the reason the world continues to fall ! … good day
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IDIDBUILDTHIS
Feb. 8, 2013 at 12:36pmTime to get on the trains folks – THIS is what Obummernation has wrought.
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SimpleTruths
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:46pmThe train to coo-cooville that is.
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AUsername
Feb. 8, 2013 at 12:33pmyou baby boomers brought this upon yourselves and is the inevitable consequence of your decisions regarding goverment. many of you might want this when you have nothing left unless your in shape to take back whats yours by that age.
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 8, 2013 at 12:49pmeveryone i know on medicare has self-inflicted infirmities and are completely dependent on medicare. They may be in for rude awakening
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nonofmybiznez
Feb. 8, 2013 at 12:28pmEugenics and population control led to Margaret Sanger, Planned Parenthood and abortion which led to Adolf Hitler, which led to United Nations Agenda 21. All these efforts were designed for population control.
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Small World
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:26pmMajor Dittos !
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The Big Mick
Feb. 8, 2013 at 12:27pmI was at a “Dealing with Alzheimer’s” Workshop at Duke, joint presentation of the Medical School and The Divinity School, where one of the Panelists was Duke’s Premier Ethicist, Stanley Hauerwas.
Stanley challenged those present to be alert for how “Quality of Life” or “lack thereof” would be used by Society to euthanize the elderly and infirm. “Life not worthy of life.” Stanley was agin euthanasia of course, being a “Sanctify of Human Life” guy–Anti-War, keeps trying to close down the Sniper “School of the Americas”. But Stanley also challenged the Group to Think on how their Principles regarding ABORTION ended up in Justifying Euthanasia. Stanley says you can’t disconnect Justifying Abortion and Justifying Euthanasia. Or, in reverse so to speak, OPPOSING Abortion obligates one Rationally to Oppose Euthanasia. Takes no Rhetorical and Intellectual Prisoners, Stanely doesn’t. I can still hear the fervor, the absolute certainty, the Moral Power in his voice: “They will USE this to KILL these people!”
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PATTY HENRY
Feb. 8, 2013 at 12:35pmOLD PEOPLE THINKING ABOUT “ASSISTED SUICIDE” aka MURDER: You didn’t give yourself life. For all you know, your reason for being born is an idea you’ve yet to think of (Col. Sanders) or an invention, or your condition requiring someone who needs to learn about compassion. Just because things get tough, you do not have the right to “off” yourselves. IF you are angry because Life didn’t turn out the way YOU expected…maybe it’s time to SEE WHAT GOD WANTS FOR YOU…maybe get your mind off of yourself and help someone else; maybe volunteer a couple of places; GOD decides when ‘enough of this training camp known as LIFE ON EARTH” is enough.
NOTE how these dopes are talking about it as if it’s okay (already approved concept) …the only good thing might be that all the dopey liberal bleeding heart Marxists might take them up on it and we wouldn’t have to hear their pathetic, self-serving dribble. Whatever.
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 8, 2013 at 12:52pmif someone is worried about Alzheimer’s, i encourage them to investigate vaccinations/flu shots as well as fluoridated water
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Fubared
Feb. 8, 2013 at 12:58pmAnd seek out chem trails to stand under. And eat babies wrapped in gold too.
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:08pmfubared – you are a mean and very nasty individual. you seem like a close cousin of saul alinsky
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RJJinGadsden
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:13pmFUBARED, See, I told you so above, LOL. SOY is with the “IN” crowd on this like Jim Carey and Jenny McCarthy.
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:26pm@RJ
What is that supposed to mean???
That is like me saying you are “IN” with Hitler and Stalin (since they both tried to control other people). Get a grip man
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Fubared
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:36pmMe and Lewinsky have chicken every other Saturday night. All on bath day around the ranch. Weeee.
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TheIggies
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:43pmLol? You “don’t have the right to OFF yourself?”
Who is going to stop you? Certainly not some imaginary “god” that people like to talk about. “He” doesn’t care about anything, since “he” doesn’t exist.”
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Fubared
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:48pmSorry tofu, I know you think Alex Jones preaches the gospel. The chem trail and gold wrapped babies bit should not have been posted when you weren’t speaking to the truth of what infowars is.
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RJJinGadsden
Feb. 8, 2013 at 2:23pmDamn SOY, I thought that was rather clear and self explanatory. You might might want to lay off your favorite herb for a couple of hours and come back and read it again.
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Whatmeworry-never
Feb. 8, 2013 at 12:24pmNext plan for the dead elderly = soylent green
Soylent Green is made out of people!–great line by Mr. Heston.
Don’t doubt me.
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Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Feb. 8, 2013 at 12:16pmA future Obama Speech to the AARP
“When I look out at our greatest generation, the people that helped send a man to the moon, defeated Hitler, and helped to end the USSR, I can only say one thing, I see Dead People”
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tzion
Feb. 8, 2013 at 12:14pmEveryone has the right to die on their own time. No one has the right to ask someone else to kill them. You want to refuse treatment, fine. But don’t tell me it’s okay to deny someone food and starve them to death.
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decendentof56
Feb. 8, 2013 at 12:11pmThis could be a very slippery slope, indeed. If a person in a verified terminal state and with excruciating pain wanted to be “put to sleep”, I could empathise with them.
However, once assisted suicide is widely accepted, you could envision normal treatment being withheld all for the sake of holding healthcare costs down. Your only choice, then, would then be to end the pain “by other options”.
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PATTY HENRY
Feb. 8, 2013 at 12:29pmNOW HEAR THIS: We get life from one source: GOD. HE gives us life, HE created everything. WE do NOT own our lives, we never have! SATAN is out en force now…I’m sure you’ve noticed. His entire goal is to destroy the life GOD created. IF he can get us to kill ourselves, he’s gleeful.
OLDER PEOPLE: You belong to GOD. Ask Him for help if you need it / or understanding / or hope, but just because you are having a tough patch in life, you don’t get to go get someone else to “kill you” and feel good about it!! IT’S still MURDER.
This is not about “HELPING ANYONE” dudes…this is about saving money for these States. The people who paid their taxes all these years…the taxes that these Murdering States have used in the most immature, wreckless ways… and their Unions who have conned them out of 90% of full or highest salary after 20 years work for the rest of their lives… But this is about $$$.
Obama’s HC is the worst thing ever to happen to the USA. With 11+ M supposedly going on Immigration plan and kids (up to 26) not wanting to pay for their own (except their Auto Ins. Medical – which would cover most of them (accidents not illnesses) and the ridiculous test upon test and domino-ing prescription medicine debacle… there was and still is so much stuff we can do to LOWER medical costs but Obama doesn’t want that. HE’s got “Whitie’s pot of Gold” and he’s going to clean it out.
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Landon410
Feb. 8, 2013 at 12:10pmI’m not a fan of legislating sin one way or the other
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 8, 2013 at 2:11pmlike pornography or per-marital sex?
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Dougral Supports Israel
Feb. 8, 2013 at 12:09pmLife, liberty, and the pursuit of death?
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RJJinGadsden
Feb. 8, 2013 at 12:48pmBut, you shouldn’t use a gun.
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 8, 2013 at 12:53pmnor should you be allowed to use a natural herb created by God
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RJJinGadsden
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:20pmSOY, I was being quite obviously sarcastic considering the massive whining coming from the left. But, is you want to use a natural God given herb to off yourself, then go ahead. I’ll make a one time exception.
Nah, I actually do understand what you mean, I was again being sarcastic. Thought that I had better explain it to you this time. But, considering my past career I have seen the results of what some people do to themselves and others after partaking of some of those God given herbs. From yohimbine to marijuana and others. Sometimes too much of that “good” thing is not so good after all. And, I am not just referring to traffic accidents.
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:29pmand i was being sarcastic as well. Showing that hypocrisy is not something that only democrats do. If you understand what i am saying, then why did you say i am asking “stupid questions”? There are no cool points around here, i know you are trying to impress Fubared but that will only take you into the gutters
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Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Feb. 8, 2013 at 2:04pmChill you two, and remember the immortal words of Socrates, “I drank WHAT?”
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RJJinGadsden
Feb. 8, 2013 at 5:16pmOkay DARMOK, but do I have to sit in the corner very long?
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Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Feb. 8, 2013 at 5:47pmRJJ:
5 For fighting.
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Gonzo
Feb. 8, 2013 at 12:01pmMust be Obama’s plan to make Soc. Security solvent. Logan’s Run doesn’t seem like science fiction anymore.
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RIGHT_WHERE_IT_HURTS
Feb. 8, 2013 at 3:39pmOr ‘Soylent Green’ either.
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P4cooler
Feb. 8, 2013 at 12:00pmWith out a doubt, the Obama administration will give this an instant seal of approval.
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Dougral Supports Israel
Feb. 8, 2013 at 12:08pmHe’ll include death for all in his Second Bill of Rights.
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Chuck7884
Feb. 8, 2013 at 11:59amDeath Panel? anyone?.
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Feb. 8, 2013 at 11:58amAgenda 21 and the death panels of Obama-care occurring by another means.
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Marine25
Feb. 8, 2013 at 12:06pmI suppose when a paranoid-delusional reads that story that’s what they hear. Of course I think when you paranoids read the back of your cereal box you see Agenda 21 and Obama’s death panels.
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Fubared
Feb. 8, 2013 at 12:23pm25 great obfuscation at work. I support all libs, progs, and socialists right to eat lead or od on morphine since lead scares them.
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JimL
Feb. 8, 2013 at 12:26pmMedia confusion-debate will give the executive branch enough cause to flesh out the remaining aspects of the Affordable Health Care Act with “Mercy Care”.
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moreteaplease
Feb. 8, 2013 at 11:56amHmm, there are a lot of liberals in the NE quadrant. Could you imagine if this advocacy group turned out to be conservative based. Just a crazy thought that made me chuckle.
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Witness1974
Feb. 8, 2013 at 11:55amSo now government will take care of you from the grave to the grave. Abortions at both ends of the life cycle. Make the Founders proud.
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 8, 2013 at 12:53pmshould a person be allowed take their own life?
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Witness1974
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:05pmIt should not be smiled upon by government. Show me someone who supports suicide and I will show you someone who is a practical atheist. We live in a moral universe and there are consequences for our actions.
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:23pmso is it man or God who understands and carries out the consequences?
if you think suicide should not be “smiled upon by the government”…..Well, dont you understand that soda bans are being used for the same exact reason???
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searcher619
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:42pmThe founders weren’t the people you seem to think they were. Most were more Libertarian than anything else.
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americangrammy
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:50pm@soybomb
Sir, no one can STOP you if you are serious about killing yourself. You can always find a way. However, the damage you leave behind for your family and friends is heartbreaking. Unless you are bereft of anyone who gives a damn whether you live or die, to take your life is to spit in the face of those who love you.
I have worked as a nurse and have seen terrible suffering. It breaks your heart, which is one of the reasons I left that profession. But one thing I did learn during those years of caring for young and old, people are not dogs! You cannot put them down like dogs when you decide that their usefulness or “quality of life” is done! To do so is murder.
Yes, it should be against the law to commit suicide and yes, assisted suicide is murder. This country has lost it’s mind and is losing it’s soul as well.
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Witness1974
Feb. 8, 2013 at 1:53pmCan’t say I really see what you are driving at with that response. I will try to make it as clear as I can. God is the sovereign giver and taker of life. To take your own life is a usurpation of His power, a violation of His will, an accusation of folly against His providence, an indictment of His character, and a general affront to His person. The person who murders himself thinks by doing so he is going to avoid pain of some kind, when in reality he may be betraying himself into a state of eternal suffering.
Every person alive can have a purpose. It is not an individual’s prerogative to walk away from that purpose and it is certainly not for anyone else but God to decide when any life should end. My wife’s aunt just died after being in a nursing home for five years. She was not able to talk, probably didn’t know where she was, didn’t recognize family members, but she had a purpose. She provided a ministry for those who cared for her. She was used to test the character of her family and the people around her. In fact even now as I write this I am thinking about her life and its implications . If nothing else her last eight years or so stand as a testament that this society nurtures and protects even the weakest of us. I used to be an RN. I’ve stood at the bedsides of thousands of terminally ill patients and been right there when hundreds of them died, sometimes agonizing deaths. It is tempting to want to stop the suffering. But that is not for us to do
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 8, 2013 at 2:04pm@Witness1974
And i will make this as clear as i can….
GOVERNMENT IS NOT GOD
If you want government to prevent people from choosing to kill themselves – then government also has authority to prevent people from DOING UNHEALTHY THINGS….
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Witness1974
Feb. 8, 2013 at 2:19pmSearcher: Whatever the founders believed, whether Christian, or deist, they believed in life. Most believed in a Creator.
Soybomb: Should government make laws against murder?
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 8, 2013 at 2:43pm@Witness1974
” Should government make laws against murder?”
Yes, because taking someone else’s life against their will is a violation of their natural right. If that was supposed to be a “GOTCHA” question – i dont think you understand the principles of small government and libertarian-minded people
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Witness1974
Feb. 8, 2013 at 4:01pmSoy: I don’t know about you, but I’m not playing GOTCHA. The point I think I’ve made is that suicide is murder in the eyes of God. As Americangrammy pointed out, people are not dogs. You don’t just put them down when you think it is “merciful” to do so. God instituted human government. “Whosoever sheds man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed.” The first precept of human government is to protect people from murder. Suicide laws should reflect that government sees it as murder and it should be against the law. If someone comitts suicide, it is of course their decision but the state should not allow anyone else to become an accessory to the crime. Just because our government has become bloated doesn’t mean that all government is bad. I agree with you that government should be small. Part of that smallness means it should reflect a morality bigger than itself. You know, things like don’t murder, don’t steal, don’t lie, and don’t give its blessing to those who do.
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 8, 2013 at 4:41pmOur government cannot and should not make laws on behalf of God. There are a great multitude of sins that the government should have nothing to do with. Pornography, sex outside marriage, bearing false witness, covetousness….You want the government to start jailing people for these things?
We either have small government according to the Constitution or a government that regulates every behavior and economic activity…..THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND. We are either going to get one or the other
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Witness1974
Feb. 8, 2013 at 5:24pmSoy: I’ll just say that the things you regard as private have public cosequences. If you don’t think pornography, fornication, and adultery have had terrible effects on society then we’ll just have to disagree. I’ve seen children die of AIDS. It’s not pretty. I thought the STD epidemics and divorce rates answered the argument that “whatever two consenting adults want to do in the privacy of their bedroom is no one else’s business.” Secondly, there are laws and there should be, against bearing false witness. Today we call it perjury. There IS a middle ground between absolute Hobbsian state of nature anarchy and oppressive tyranny. It’s called civility and it takes into account moral and ethical behavior as well as criminal. Reading what you have to say convinces me that America is done. You and I will never agree on much, I fear. I can see why the Republican party is breaking up and why so many RINO’s don’t stand for anything. If they do one side or the other of the division between conservatives will despise them. I am to some extent sympathetic with Libertarians, but it is their insistance on society being completely secular and amoral that I find repugnant. I see no point in butting heads with you any longer. I wish you well, but I hope some of your ideas get buried by a better generation. Gotta go.
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 8, 2013 at 5:37pmI did not say pornography, fornication, and adultery are good things. But apparently you think they should be illegal.
The only way those things can be illegal is if we tear up the constitution and have a tyrannical despotic government. There comes a point when you have to separate our government from God’s government
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