Rand Paul Declares America Needs a ‘Spiritual Cleansing’ and ‘Revival’: ‘Something Really Depraved Is Rising in the Country’
Sen. Rand Paul will join Real News tonight on TheBlaze TV to discuss his response to the State of the Union.
Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) appeared on Glenn Beck’s radio show this morning to discuss a variety of topics. After commenting about the need to combat President Barack Obama’s use of executive power, the politician dove into the spiritual realm. Noting that he believes America’s problems run deeper than political schisms, Paul called for a spiritual awakening and revival.
Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., testifies before a state legislative committee on the legalization of growing hemp at the Capitol Annex in Frankfort, Ky., Monday, Feb. 11, 2013. Credit: AP
The senator made his comments about the need for faith leaders to rise up and called for increased religious fervor after Beck asked him about his own spiritual well-being.
Paul said that when he was first running for office he appreciated people telling him that they were praying for him, but that he didn’t take these pledges seriously enough. Now, he sees inherent value in these prayers and well-wishes — and he believes the nation should adopt similar sentiments.
“I think that our country needs a spiritual cleansing,” Paul told Beck. “I really think we need a revival in this country — and I do need your prayers and I do need the strength to go on with this, because this isn’t always easy.”
He went on to call for religious leaders to come forward and to help deal with the issues at hand and said that something is needed (i.e. God) that is “bigger than any politician.”
“I think our country’s problems are deeper than political — that we need spiritual leaders to come forward. We need something beyond just the politics of the day and, you know, I see it everywhere — something really depraved is rising in the country,” he continued.
Listen to Paul’s comments, below:
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toledofan
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:37pmI think that the real culprit in the countries spiral is technology. Don’t get me wrong, technology is great and what we have is just the tip of the iceberg, many wonderful things will come of it, many bad as well and it’s up to us to manage it. And I think that’s part of the problem we don’t quite yet understand or know how to manage it. When I was young everyone took pictures, cameras with film, in a roll, most everyone had a black and white TV and for sure if you had a color tv with a remote, you were considered to be well off. Today everything is a video and the fact that everyone will give up everything to get their 15 minutes of fame, money, notiriety or whatever; instant everything. The old days of responsibility, values and watching out for your neighbor are being replaced by things like MTV, reality this ot that, and that TV reality only affects a few. The real reality isn’t talked about much because the MSM can’t make money off of good old values and lifestyles.
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hauschild
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 1:06pmTechnology??? Really???
I’ve read it all, now.
Seriously – the problem is NOT technology. The problem is losers not realizing they’re losers. It’s really THAT simple.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 1:14pmyes technology is part of it
People are incredibly low information and shallow. If Mitt Romney had the appearance of Ron Paul – Romney would have never been nominated.
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NHwinter
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 1:16pmsomething really depraved is rising in the country
I think we have seen this for years now, but its good to know someone in DC finally sees it too. This administration has done more to lower the standards, morals, and incited racism the likes of which we have not seen in a very, very long time – more than anyone as president has in decades. Now, Congress, do something about it for a change and deal with our debt as you are paid to do.
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Locked
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 1:43pmTechnology is to blame for moral issues is like saying guns are to blame for violent crime. Can technology be misused? Certainly; so can guns. Does that means technology causes moral decay? No. The person behind the screen (or the trigger) is the one who chooses how the item is used and what kind of effect it has.
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techengineer11
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 2:15pmRand is absolutely correct; however, the premise is that a Republic based on a multicultural society void of Judea Christian values can succeed..
Show me an example in history.
I can take all of the hateful remarks because I’m use to it but if the Media really showed you the interracial homicide, violence and rape taking place in this country I bet that 2/3 of you would not be nearly as constrained as I am.. People just don’t understand their own reality and it’s because of the Meida painting a false reality.
I’ve been watching a show called Justified lately.. It’s basically a cop vs gangster series; however, that’s what we have in America today. “Gangster” Our Gov’t has gone ganster and the Media is a front.
Think about it.. Do you really think we’d have a Federal Reserve without the protection of the Media? Look at all the Media does in America.
It is incredible. We are not the Nation we were 200 yrs ago and we’re not even the Nation we were 50 yrs ago! Problem is that it’s getting worse not better.
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marybethelizabeth
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 2:45pmIt’s only technically true that Rand Paul said this. His statement was just agreement with a question he was asked.
Mormon writer Steven Covey in his Habits of Effectual People books says that the best way to build rapport is to mirror what other people say to you. This is what Rand Paul did.
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BADDOGGYDESCIPLE
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 2:49pmTechnology is just a vehicle, it can be used for good or bad like a gun, so I would prefer to not go there. I have sad it here before, 30 years of MTV could ruin any society. Keith Ablow, psychologist makes a good point, our reality has become altered by things like facebook, cable reality shows, etc. When we had 5 channels, the norms of society were less elastic than now with 300 channels; obviously not the whole problem. The “they” have been at this for decades, even centuries. I recommend http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-SyKuOpIAI , vimeo – “grinding down America” , and of course Paul Harvey’s warning to America 1965 also on youtube. There are more, but the first 2 followed by the 3rd will pretty much cover it. I was told once by a commenter here that zealot libs that have co-opted the democratic party do not want peace with us, they mean to destroy us, they hate our God, they hate our country. I truly believe that is accurate. The republicans are just following along like good soldiers, that’s why they don’t speak out of what is really destroying this country, it is no accident.
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Mainer forever
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 2:54pmSpeaking of Technology….why when I click on to the 2nd of two or more pages of the same story here on the Blaze…why do I have to sign-in again? It is really wacked. Anyone have any helpful hints?
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jblaze
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 6:57pmMary
Are you mind numbing drugs? Please seek medical help!
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PATTY HENRY
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 7:38pmRAND PAUL is one of a kind. He speaks (so far for me)
BUT
LET
ME
TELL
YOU
WHAT
WILL
RUIN
HIS
CAMPAIGN
BEFORE
HE
EVEN
GETS
STARTED:
FANATICAL, RADICAL, INSANE PAUL BOTS left over from his daddy’s campaign. YOU guys get out of the way and let the SON do the running and politicking…if you so much as raise your ugly fanatical heads you will lose this election for RAND…like you lost it for RON PAUL.
We, the PEOPLE, NEED RAND PAUL…but NO ONE I know will tolerate you high-handed, insane
and always ‘hammering’ and insulting everyone else like you did for Ron Paul. YOU cannot force people to be Libertarian…Most people want to be PATRIOTS… except for the bought and paid for
little “gimme” liberals.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 8:20pmtwo way street patty
i have heard you say some very unsavory things and your bias is already showing
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Eastinfection
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 8:49pmIf Rand Paul indicates that he is more of a Theocrat than a Constitutionalist, the Paul-bots will, and rightly so, get on his ass.
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YOURSENSEI
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 10:40pmThis is what you must know:
Conservative/libertarian confusion/desperation run deep. It is because they look inward. Navel gazers.
It is so.
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Eastinfection
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 10:52pmYOURSENSEI…
This you must know…
you must keep your relationship with your lint- covered “outie” to yourself.
It is so, so, so ,so ,so……so.
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Obama_In_PeePee_Is_Becks_Art
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 4:26amMainer forever – “Speaking of Technology….why when I click on to the 2nd of two or more pages of the same story here on the Blaze…why do I have to sign-in again? It is really wacked. Anyone have any helpful hints?
Unfortunately, TheBlaze, from design to execution, reminds me of those supermarket tabloids with their big headlines and poor layouts. 3rd party addons further complicate it’s operation to the point of bugginess.
If, after you sign in, you lose your “signed in” status … you really haven’t. Something that should be downloading simply didn’t make it again to your computer again. Rather than re-sign-in, click the “offline” button on your browser and refresh the page. Whatever never made it to your system actually did make it the 1st time and the browser will use the 1st one from it’s temporary memory (cache). Then click your button back to “online” and you can continue normally without yet another sign-in.
COME ON, Glenn. Tell the staff to send their 10-year-old “helpers” back home and get some professionals to do the work.
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Obama_In_PeePee_Is_Becks_Art
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 4:46am“Paul said that when he was first running for office he appreciated people telling him that they were praying for him, but that he didn’t take these pledges seriously enough. Now, he sees inherent value in these prayers and well-wishes”
Sorry, but this guy is a politician and he’ll go “which way the wind blows”.
Conservative? Nope.
TEA party man? Nope.
Republican? Yes (not necessarily a good thing).
Progressive(communist)? Possibly.
Add it up … then cross him out … along with the Rubio’s, the Perry’s, and the Santorum’s. Why? They just don’t get this whole “Constitution thing”:
“NEW WORLD ORDER National ID & Economic System To Be ENFORCED In U.S.A. January 15th 2013″
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFG2Nb2Lj2U
“We are going to replace national borders with electronic surveillance. They don’t seem to be able to defend the border, do they? They have appropriated millions of dollars to build a fence but somehow we cannot find any fence builders. We haven’t got one built yet. So, I don’t think they really want to.”
“We’ve got about 12 million illegals here. How do you get 12 million accidentally? I think it was done on purpose. Because I think these people have a plan”
“It is the time for the New World Order’s economic system to be implemented. Nation ID will be required to hold a job. Every major American Presidential candidate, except one, favors the Nation ID. EVERY CANDIDATE, EXCEPT ONE, FAVORS YOU HAVING A NATIONAL ID.”
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YOURSENSEI
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 9:52amMr or Ms EASTINFECTION,
This is what you must know:
Never ever give up your quest for an original thought. Choo choo, baby!
it is so.
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Caniac Steve
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 10:49amfunny thing..America 70 years ago despite it’s flaws and known problems had many ethics and a sence of morality ..again dispite the problems there were on the surface as well as just below eye level….people were decent and had good manners..and respect for thec most part for others..comapre that today
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girlnurse
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 1:38pmI agree with Obama-in-pee-pee! Rand=RINO. Trouble is we haven’t seen a TRUE conservative for so long we can’t even recognize what it is any more! Rand is a politician through and through…
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marmo
Posted on February 16, 2013 at 12:15pmback in the 40s and 50s the communist party tried to infiltrate the gov’t. the senate and house fought against it and won. now we have the islam brotherhood who have already infiltrated the congress and the pentagon, both as senators or reps and supposedly in the pentagon as advisors. And the congress isn’t doing anything about it because of political correctness or tolerance. We cannot mix oil and water it will not work . the rich oil will always go to the bottom and the watered down socialist, marxist and islamist will surface to the top and will try to overtake the oil. shake it up and the oil always go back down to the bottom.. congress and the people who voted these people into office will first have to wake up and vote them back out to be replaced by conservatives with the same values as most of americans. islams and Christians do not worship the same God. There is only one true God and it the God of Abraham. God Jehovah…
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AlbertMaslar
Posted on February 16, 2013 at 3:36pmTechnology may be a bit of a problem, and often misused, but the real problem is that people will not accept the truth and if they do, often do not act in accordance with it. Senator Rend Paul proudly asserts that America needs a spiritual cleansing, BUT what about so-called pro-life Senators like himself who voted nearly unanimously, 94-3, except for the two Texas Senators and one other, for confirmation of extreme pro-abortionist John Kerry to replace pro-abortionist Hillary Clinton as
Secretary of State. Rand Paul did not act according to his dictates but contrary to pledges he requests signatures to his pro-life petitions while also seeking their donations for what else can it be but for a 2016 run ant the presidency. No thanks.
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etexfisherman48
Posted on February 16, 2013 at 3:43pmGood informed comments. Technology can be a demon or it can be used to serve us in a good way. Lock is right about one thing, none of these devices can do anything until we tell them to.
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Colorado7972
Posted on February 16, 2013 at 9:55pmYou almost got the nail on the head, technology is one the components, but just a mechanism that can be used for good or for evil purpose. The true culprit is Immorality, disdain for law and law enforcement, military. Christianity, God, in other words “liberalism”. Once decadence takes over evil then prevails, and mechanisms such as technology are used for misjudged and evil purposes by so many.
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bealman
Posted on February 18, 2013 at 4:25pmI am not replying directly to the above comment, but could not find a place to jump in.. This nation has had its great revivals, along with Ireland and GB. Great and amazing things happened to people, but no one was awakened to the Truth. Feeling good, changing, being good is not necessarily “Godly”! Rand has no idea what a ‘spiritual’ cleansing is, or he would not be so quick with his words. A ‘spiritual’ cleansing happens when all that clutters our life is destroyed or taken away, or we turn from it. The only acceptable result is a total turning to God for all we need, in the physical and spiritual realm, a cleansing or release of the spirit within. This year, and continuing, Obama will start a spiritual cleansing of America: All you have, religion, reputation, money etc. is going to be destroyed or turned up-side-down. God will be your only escape, literally. It would be good to ask for wisdom, beg for it even, that you might be delivered. The ‘fear’ of God is the beginning of Wisdom. “Fear” means coming to God out of necessity, as a last resort, instead of coming by Faith. That is wise. Ever come to the end of your ‘rope’? Use ‘fear’, turn to God. There is a process, and indeed he is waiting. But, it’s up to each. Turn loose and walk away, or it will be torn from you in the coming months and years. Religion, reputation and money will save no one…
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cassandra
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:32pmYep it’s called the Progressives , the shadow party who have infiltrated every area of our schools,government and even churchs
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SixthArmy
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:30pmRand Paul will prolly be the next president. It’s b/c the pendulum swings and O’bama has taken us so far toward collectivist nonsense it’ll swing back toward individualism. I don’t know if Rand is named after Ayn Rand, but he probably is. She’s too far away from altruism but her thoughts are valid. Man must find a balance. We’ll never get there but we try.
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JeffMT
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:40pmI think it’s too early to anoint anyone our next president but I do agree that he is probably now the early front runner, after Rubio’s performance last night – good speech, bad presentation – he cracked under the pressure big time. He ‘Jindal’d’ it.
Paul, I suspect, is now going to get the majority of the tea party’s attention and deservedly so. My guess is that he and Jeb Bush (I really hate to have to say that) are going to be the front runners going into the early stages of the campaign two years from now.
Time will tell.
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The Big Mick
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:42pmDisagree.
When’s the “Pendulum” EVER swung back to Radical Jeffersonian Extremely Limited Government?
What “swing back” from the Continued and Continual March toward Collectivist Statist Redistributionist Socialism have you seen IN THE LAST CENTURY?! Since Teddy R and Wilson?
There IS no “Pendulum” here, there is VECTOR and there is RESISTANCE and the Two are INCOMPATIBLE, MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE! Read Walter Williams’ April 7, 2010 Column “Parting Company” where he suggests A DISSOLUTION of the Union.
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Max jones
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:43pmTwo things…..This is where rand differs from his dad. If, just once, Ron would have publicly broached this subject, I would have backed him for pres,……..2. If he’s looking for ‘religious’ leaders who know what a spiritual revival really is….he will strike out. The Modern church is worldly and has lost the moral high ground……apostasy is the word.
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The Big Mick
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:50pmWrong questions, Who and Who else.
RIGHT question—what DIFFERENCE is it going to make?
If you’ve got ANY evidence that there’s been ANY significant Roll Back of the March toward Socialism in THE LAST CENTURY trot it out! What remains of the “Reagan Revolution”, the “Contract with America”, the “Tea Party Revolution” of 2010?
Read Walter Williams’ April 7, 2010 Column “Parting Company”. THERE is your problem. A mutually exclusive, irreconcileable, divided Nation. And THERE is your solution, if you have the Courage to take it.
Washington, upon receiving the news of Lexington and Concord at Mt. Vernon, wrote to a friend: “The once happy and peaceful plains of America are soon to be either drenched in blood or inhabited by slaves; sad alternative, but can a Virtuous Man hesitate in his choice?”
Either they HAVE been for ONE HUNDRED YEARS, or there ARE NO “Virtuous Men.”
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Max jones
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:51pmThe gun control thing, and its consequences, will determine whether Bah Rahk will, ever, be deposed. He thinks he is invulnerable and is accruing power to make his illegal government permanent. When I bring this up I get ‘poo-pooed’, but I see it clear as day. I believe he sees himself as ‘King of the world’.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:52pmno it swung toward socialism so next up is facism
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justangry
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:57pmRand is short for Randal.
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hauschild
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 1:08pmThe lemming conservative branch would assure Paul has no shot. After all, these people would be “led” to believe Rand is not “electable”.
I see a few answers in our party, but the voting majority of us don’t want to see them.
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The Big Mick
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 1:15pmSoybomb 12:52.
I think you are smarter than this. You are buying a Faux Linear Political Spectrum (“left-”right”) that has been DEBUNKED since Hayek’s “The Road to Serfdom” (SERF not Surf, moondoggie :) ) in the 40′s. Hayek point out “Socialism” and “Fascism” are two sides of the same debased coin. Libertarian Authors like L.Neil Smith pointed out the same thing in the 80′s, I urge you to read Smith. Tom Wolfe in the Millennial Issue of Time pointed out that Stalin and Hitler, far from being Polar Opposites, as in your discredited model, were actually Fraternal,if Fratricidal, Socialist Statist Collectivist TWINS!
Again, for all who have not read Williams’ April 7, 2010 column “Parting Company” THERE is the TRUE “State of the [Dis] Union”.
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TheCalmOne
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 1:20pmThe USA has a long way to go before it approaches the ‘collectivism’ of most other civilizations in the world.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 1:34pm@Big mack
Yes, i am aware of what you are talking about.
What i meant was that power swung towards democrats (socialists) but power will swing back towards republicans (facists)
There is no logical way power swings back to individuals or the states unless there is complete economic collapse.
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The Big Mick
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 1:58pmThe Calmone 1:20.
I disagree, but even if you are right should we be RUNNING FULL TILT toward the Collectivist Statist Redistributionist CLIFF, or RUNNING THE OTHER WAY?!
Have you read, Walter Williams’ April 7, 2010 Column “Parting Company”?
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marybethelizabeth
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 2:55pmMax Jones Ron Paul is a deeply religious man.
So was President Clinton who carried a Bible wherever he went and read from it daily.
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Brettfan
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 4:31pmI think the problem is we don’t have one perfect candidate, but people who are bits and pieces of the full picture. And there are those who disagree with them within right wing, conservative, anti-Obama circles. But for me we need a Jeff Sessions type on immigration and border issues. A Peter King type on radical Islamic extremism. A Allen West type on both defense and outing the leftist radicals. A Rand Paul type on spending and budget. A Michelle Bachmann on both foreign policy and rolling back Obamacare. Marco Rubio type on budget issues. Scott Walker type on Union Busting. Sarah Palin on stopping gun control and fixing the Media. Newt Gingrich on cleaning up the courtsand ending the global warming cabal. Rick Santorum on social issues. Ron Paul and Gary Johnson can take on the fed and the big business and fixing the housing market. Mia Love and Tim Scott can take on the NAACP with help from Allen West. Leslie Sanchez and J.D. Hayworth can clean out LA Raza and lefty Latino groups with Marco’s help. I could go on.
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HOOT_OWL
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:30pmI’m afraid the only thing that will wake the people up now , is the sound of boots kicking down their door.
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The Big Mick
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:44pm“We were fighting in the street, with our children at our feet.”
Pete Townsend–”The Who”— “Won’t get Fooled Again”.
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T-2
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:51pmnot if those boots come with a check and food from the government.
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 1:19pmWell said T-2!
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theotherberean
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 9:11pmEventually the gifts will run out.
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brother_ed
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 11:39pm@THEOTHRRBEREAN
Agreed.
There are those who think we can go on like this forever.
The number of people on food stamps increasing…net worth decreasing.
What happens when the ‘haves’ become ‘have nots’? It won’t be pretty.
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media-bias-steals-elections
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:28pmI agree, the need for the minimum wage, or a lot of other regulations, are the result of employers not being ethical? If you want to complain about minimum wage, hire independent contractors? The only thing good about a minimum wage, is that it allows you to establish a value for your currency not tied to gold, and tariff laws are the mechanism that allows you to do this without listening to the complaints “we live in a global economy”?
How many supervisors, want to travel, so you can move up in your job? So he should get punished, because he is doing a good job, you are doing a good job, and you need a raise? The problem is not that we are asking an employer to do the math, the problem is we have employers that either compete in markets they have no business competing in, or they want to build a business plan around the revolving door of new employees?
You don’t fix those problems with politics, or with education, and minimum wage jobs are not for teenagers, they are for entry level jobs for people with no experience, as in the unemployed how have to change careers? How many of you know someone who has the mentality of a teenager, that does a good job, every day, is dependable, but does not want to be a supervisor, because they see what the supervisor goes through, they get yelled at frequently?
Employers depending on universities, keeping this cycle of job obsolescence flowing, are part of the ethical problem?
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HOOT_OWL
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:47pmI believe the people that want ‘higher’ minimum wage ,have no desire to better themselves. They want a living wage without the sacrifice or training that is required to acquire a ’living’ wage.
They have no desire to step-up from a mediocre job, that would allow a novice a chance to do the same .
-To repeat the cycle.
Instead, they prefer to stall the cycle of growth and development , and wallow in the pit of sub-par conformity .
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Eric_The_Red_State
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:15pmAgain and again after freedom has brought opportunity and some degree of plenty, the competent become selfish, luxury-loving and complacent, the incompetent and the unfortunate grow envious and covetous, and all three groups turn aside from the hard road of freedom to worship the Golden Calf of economic security.
The historical cycle seems to be:
From bondage to spiritual faith;
from spiritual faith to courage;
from courage to liberty;
from liberty to abundance;
from abundance to selfishness;
from selfishness to apathy;
from apathy to dependency;
and from dependency back to bondage once more.
We are in the APATHY to DEPENDENCY portion now.
It will get worse before it gets better.
Stock up on food, water – and precious metals – mostly lead.
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The Big Mick
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:58pmStock all you want, Eric.
How does it HELP anything?
Is THAT what passes for Washington’s “Virtuous Man” in this the Fall of the Republic?
Is this how the Republic Ends, with everyone “Suave ke’poo” (wrong spelling “Let him save himself who can”, French Foreign Legion–every man for himself–get the hell out–GoneToHellPlan).
Are Patriots reduced to being MERE SURVIVALISTS now?
I’d like to think, and I hope, that is NOT what you (and Glenn) are advocating. But it sure sounds like it sometimes.
Do what you please, Eric, but I’d APPRECIATE it if SOMEONE was OUT LOOKING for the 21st Century John Adams, Patrick Henry, Tom Paine, Ben Franklin, and Ethan Allen.
LEADERS of REBELLION and a REVOLUTION!
To put it another way. Where’s the 21st Century CAPITALIST ANTI-Tyrant, NON-Dictator, American Mao, Castro and Che?
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 1:18pmOk Mick,
I agree that we should be more than mere survivalists. But they didn’t cover armed rebellions in Ranger school.
Are you gonna get out front and lead this thing? Because until someone does, and that someone is skilled and trustworthy enough, to inspire the sort of confidence that men will risk everything, including their lives, then nothing is going to happen.
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The Big Mick
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 1:42pmRanger,
I cry genuine tears when I read you.
I wish, oh how I wish, I was that kind of man, or worthy event to be named among you.
All I got is my Mind and my Mouth. I can’t lead the way out of a wet paper bag.
I’m middle aged, fat to the point of morbidly obeses, untrained, ill kept and incapable. I can SEE, but I cannot DO. I can PREACH but I cannot ORGANIZE. I am Eloquent, but that is matched by my incompetence.
I hope, when the 21st Century Adams boys emerge, there will be a place for such as me in the Revolution.
Until then I keep asking questions, and suggesting answers to be found in men better than me.
Go on Soldier, Soldier on. I limp behind. Maybe I can carry something you need later.
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DLV
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 4:39pmBig Mick was that sarcasm… I really couldn’t tell….
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 4:58pm@THE BIG MICK.
1500 cal a day. No exceptions.
A gallon of water a day. No exceptions.
Walk your ass off, work up to 1 hour a day. No exceptions.
By July start running a little.
By December you’ll be a new man.
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GoodStuff
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:15pmIf conservatives are wise, they would avoid the Paul family like the plague…they’re plutonium.
Libertarians want all drugs legalized, prostitutes on every street corner and a weak military….they are the ones that are “depraved”.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:30pmOh spare us the fear mongering. Your type was screaming to everybody at the time of the repeal of the Volstead act that us “libertarians” wanted gangsters on every corner and people drunk and violent in the streets. You’re a fear monger and you have no concept of small Constitutionally limited government. Take your large state fake conservatism somewhere else.
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truthnstuff
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:40pm@goodstuff, it’s uninformed faux conservatives like you who are keeping the country mired in the march to full fledged communism. Rand Paul is not drinking the kool-ade of PC and is the only one making sense. Let’s hope Ted Cruz, Mike Lee and others join in. Maybe Rubio, the RINO is your guy. Good luck with that.
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AmericaMustBeFree
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:41pmEvery man should be held accountable for his own actions, not before government, but before God. If a person wants to destroy their lives with drugs.. why should any government entity step in..we have been fighting drugs for decades now and it has only shown us it does not work.. government has put billions into it and failed. Same with prostitution.. if a person wants to sell their body, and another person wants to buy it.. then what can we really do about it? Prostitution has been around since biblical times and no one has ever stopped it.. and how many of our own lawmakers have delved into both things. So, let people live the way they choose.. you can’t stop it, prevent it.. only when it uses children or the innocent should the law step in. Its called responsibility for self. If people want to ruin their lives then they will do it with or without us. Why do you think their have been 60,000 deaths in Mexico between all the drug lords.. because America has the biggest appetite for drugs anywhere.. and no one in 40 years or more has stopped it.. and never will! Why keep wasting money on a lost cause.. what we have is a societal breakdown. Clearly something government has been a part of and family has failed at!
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soybomb315_II
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:59pmthat was pathetic goodstuff. We didnt like romney but at least we used facts and did not lie about him
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shorelineliz
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 1:00pmT.U.L.I.P
People laughed at this Reformed Theology. They sneered for years. They mocked. Now they are agreeing with it. The “T” stands for Total Depravity. How far people have come. John Calvin is truly laughing in his grave.
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AUsername
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 1:08pmyeah that would put you dumb skinhead thugs out of a job wouldn’t it because society doesn’t really need you in the first place.
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Gonzo
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 1:12pmIt’s advice like that that gave us the Romney campaign. Rand is leading my list for 2016. If we’re going to lose, let’s at least do it with a true conservative.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 1:16pmthere is no glory in carrying the establishment’s water. i dont know about you, but i will be independent to the very end
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The Big Mick
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 1:34pmGood and Ghost.
I need, the REPUBLIC needs, you two to find common ground.
I think you are BOTH smart enough to DO it.
Get workin.
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Locked
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 1:57pmWell said as usual Jefferson!
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Elvie
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 3:38pmGoodstuff–I don’t think that the Paul family is like that. I know the reason you say that is because Stossell went on air with prostitutes and ganged up on a lady who was advocating for moral righteousness.
But generally speaking, Libertarian’s carte blanche acceptance of debachery is why they get no foothold with the God-fearing conservatives because if you give approval for their sin, you are equally guilty. I will NEVER say, “Oh, THAT’S okay–go ahead and prostitute yourself! It’s your right!” That kind of attitude (fill in drug use, all immorality, porn, etc. all actions that Libertarians think we should make legal) is just accepting that the person is hurting themselves and others, degrading our culture and continuing in a life of sin. There is a God that we will all face, not only individually, but also corporately: generations are judged, cities will be judged, nations will be judged (check out what Jesus says about this).
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techengineer11
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 8:10amYou better go brush your tooth goodstuff before it falls out and your gumming it from here out.
So do you folks responding to this imbecile believe that he’s any bit smarter than the commie fools on CNN and MSNBC every day? it pains me to say so but I really don’t think many Conservatives have much as much thought into their ideas as some of the commies have.
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momrules
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:12pm“Something really depraved is rising in this country.”
Many of we older Americans have known this for years now. That our wonderful America is and has been under the growing influence of Satanic forces. The perverted and the immoral have been normalized in the name of political correctness and tolerance. Ministers who teach the word of God are called bigots while those that teach division and racial hatred are welcomed by the main stream and honored.
We do need a spiritual cleansing in America but I fear it is too late. When the DNC boo’ed God three times, when a man who openly supports abortion and homosexuality, who openly supports Islam while claiming to be Christian and who supports Socialist policies, is re-elected to the office of President then I fear America has lost it’s way for good.
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neverending
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:27pm@MOMRULES – you are exactly right. The moral decay is in high gear x10. Evil is good and good is evil. Everything is okay or there is an excuse for it or it was someone else’s fault. Sad days for this great country and can’t see any end in sight.
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TheCalmOne
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 1:15pmOMG! Satan walks the earth! Hearken to the awesome flitter flutter of his scaly wings!
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THX-1138
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:08pmWhat was your first clue? The minute I learned about Social Security I knew it was over. Yeah, let us “hold” your money until we think you “need” it and if we still have any we’ll send you a check. Maybe. Unless you die first, in which case we’ll just keep it. And those rubes bought in hook, line and sinker. When Americans had the choice between Freedom and Safety they chose safety and, well, you know the quote. America was gut shot in the 30′s and we’ve just been bleeding out ever since…
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:08pmMost do need a better view of life.
But what we really need is for the small government types to grow a damned spine and finally learn to stand up and defy Leviathan. We’re hobbled by our own weakness. Oh sure, we talk a good game, but when push comes to shove, most on “our” side stay home and bitch on the internet. I’m talking about more than attending a protest here, I mean, learning to defy Leviathan and stand up for what is right, no matter the perceived consequences. But no, too scared. Meanwhile the zombies the progressives use will march into machine guns if ordered to do so.
I suspect that as much as we may need to fall on our knees a bit more, we more need to learn to stand up and fight again. Stop laying defense. Take the fight to the enemy on our terms.
I’m tired of quiet submission. Enough already.
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:37pmI’ve begun my campaign, and so far it has yielded some significant results…I of course won’t be writing about it.
I am interested in precisely you have in mind…hypothetically of course.
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guz75
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 2:19pm@RANGER1965
I’m guessing your campaign won’t go so far if you’re stupid enough to come on a site like the blaze and make a comment like that. That’s the best way to wind up on a watch list of some sort, if you’re not already.
I’d have thought as a vet you’d have the sense to realize that standing on top of a hill and waving your arms in the air on the battlefield is a dumb idea!!
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 4:07pmYou assume too much. So far I haven’t done anything illegal. It’s amazing what one can do within a corrupt system that is perfectly legal.
What interests me is that with so many talking ABOUT doing, rather than JUST talking. I ask myself, “Self, what the hell are they talking about? Maybe their definition of doing isn’t my definition.”
So I sit and wonder…is what I’m doing enough? Or am I just playing?
“It is better to beg for forgiveness, than ask for permission.”
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Tri-ox
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:08pmRand Paul has a lot to offer, and it’s good to see him continue to distinguish himself from his father.
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tonypro
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:04pmNext voting ballot should read……….
Communist party—barry soetoro
Democrat part——-lindsey graham
Republican party—marco rubio
Tea Party————–Rand Paul
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The Big Mick
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:02pmWoW!
I don’t know much about Rand’s Disciples. I am under the impression Daddy Ron’s are Libertarians I got lots to ask about this but “to be going on with”.
1. How do the “Social Libertarians” usually NON if not ANTI Religious take this?
2. How does the Ron Paul wing that are Isolationist “ANTI-’NeoCon’” “let Israel hang” take this, since one of the sub-groups THEY tend to reject are Israel Supporting “Religious” Conservatives?
Me, I’m a Theistic Anarchist who runs afoul of most “Libertarians” but I’m the Only One I know who is suggesting that, unlike American Revolution v1.0 where the Great Awakening Revival PRECEDED the Rebellion, THIS time American Revolution v3.0 needs to PRCEDE Revival.
Some serious unpacking from the Paulette’s various sub-groups is needed here.
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OldSurfRat
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 11:58amMr. Paul is correct. We do need to have in his words a “Spiritual Revival”
Many things can be done that will not Infringe on others rights.
However we must be vigilant not to impose your own religion on others.
Making laws that may be good for the Christian today may also be good for the Muslim tomorrow.
We need to have a separation of religion and state but not a state without religion. I know that sounds contradictory and it is but we can not force religious laws.
Forced Christian law would be no different than Forced Sharia law in the hands of government.
And to those of you that felt left out I did not mention other religions to save time and space.
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Blitzking
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:12pmSeparation of church and state is not in the constitution as can be seen clearly by the 10 commandments and bible verses still posted on older federal buildings it is something the libefals made up in order to silence christian influence… sharia and christian principles the same?? Stay off of that obama coolaid buddy
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:41pmYou are right it’s not in the Constitution. What the founders wanted to avoid happening, is that the Federal Government adopts a religion and makes it the “Official” religion of the US.
So that unless you are part of that group, you don’t get a fair shake.
“Church of England” anyone?
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The Big Mick
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 1:06pmMoon doggie, I dig much of what you say and I get you here.
THIS is a much more open ended rapprochement than “Christian Conservatives” generally get from “Libertarians”. I’ve been saying for a long time the SMART Libertarian move is to BUILD bridges of shared common ground with the “Religious Right” on Extremely Limited Government issues, KNOWING that once THAT battle is being won, the Government OUT of OTHER things that worry you–like Religious expression–will fall into your hands like low hanging fruit, as what Theologian Francis Schaeffer calls “the logical outcome of presuppositions” work themselves naturally out.
Libertarians should not LEAD with Kiddie Porn and Pot but with “DIS-empower DC!” THAT bus gets you, eventually if you don’t PICK fights with your natural allies, where you want to go.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 1:21pm@Big Mack
Libertarians do not lead with kiddie porn and weed. You are grossly mistaken. Perhaps you should heed your own advice
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OldSurfRat
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 2:28pm@Blitzed?
You make me laugh with your comment. Maybe you should stay out of the communion wine. You obviously have no idea about me or my views. Just as a liberal you jump up and become defensive and start accusing me of things of which you have no idea or capacity to understand.
I never said anything about the constitution and if you think that the government should be run as a religion than you are as a radical as the muslim brotherhood.
BTW Blitzie ole boy I believe that Jesus Christ IS the son and my savior. And I try (sometimes failing) to always follow his example.
Ranger
Thanks you made my point. The Church of England was a great example.
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DLV
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 4:47pmOld and Blitz- You should really stop fighting. You’re on the same side and the libs have us fighting. There are bigger fish to fry.
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whatthecrazy
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 11:57amWell God bless you sir and be brave,most of us will have your back as you continue to fight for this great Country. Prayers come with.:)
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yiska8
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 11:56amRand Paul, this nation needs a lot of things. People have forgotten how to pray. This season of Lent, for Catholics is a period of fasting and healing. Unfortunately so many priest are liberal and Democrat, so I cannot say they would stand up for anything other than “social justice”. I wish Rand well and pray he does what is right and good, but in DC doing what is right and good for the people is as extinct as the dinosaurs. God Bless You Rand!!
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woodyee
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 11:55amBTW, billy hallO’well, m’boy…
What is it with you and proper nouns, that you regularly fail to capitalize them? Is it the school you attended, or that gosh-darn ‘shift’ key?
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:03pmWeak pinkies.
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T.C.
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 11:54amI agree with Senator Paul, but am concerned about his encouraging religious leaders to engage in the political debate. In my experience, church leaders, at the local and national level, are to the (far) left of their congregations. For example, PCUSA supports abortion rights and single payer healthcare. We don’t need to encourage more liberal advocacy in the name of social justice. The spiritual reawakening needs to occur, I’m just not confident the present leadership can make that happen in the manner Senator Paul foresees.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 1:04pmdont worry – he just said it to sound good
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SquidVetOhio
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 11:54amAmen Rand! John Adams said that our government was designed for a good and moral people and would fail otherwise. I think that is what we are witnessing.
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OldSurfRat
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:04pm@Squid
Very correct sir.
This actually applies to everything from your family, job, business and over all life.
If you live good and moral things seem to workout.
When you dont no matter how hard you try they seem to go bad and or loose meaning.
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huey6367
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 11:53amI have been saying this for at least 10 years. Tattoos are a fashion statement? Your pants around you knees is cool? You walk around with your thong hanging out of your pants and wonder why people treat you like an object? Kim Kardashian?
Isn’t it obvious?
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DoseofReality
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 11:53amOk…whats worse…and please answer honestly.
Gays having the right to marry or slavery?
No bible in public schools or genocide of an entire race of people?
Not being allowed to have an AR15 or women not being allowed to vote or work in most places?
Crime rates are lower than in the past, we take better care of our sick and elderly than we ever have, rights are being extended to all not just the group in power. If you ask me, we are the most moral our country has ever been.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:03pm>>Not being allowed to have an AR15 or women not being allowed to vote or work in most places?<<
You have a right to own a firearm. You do not have a right to vote or have a job. Voting was quite restricted, once upon a time, and was never mentioned as a right until quite recently historically.
You've just compared apples to oranges and declared them the same thing.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:06pmWhat are you, 12?
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Calm Voice of Reason
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:09pmAgreed. If you must complain about the decayed state of our nation, your only option is to point to intangible failings on the “spiritual” plane; everything’s on the up and up on the material plane.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:15pmYeah, Reason, 42 million on food stamps is “on the up and up materially”.
Do you guys actually post from planet earth?
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DoseofReality
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:16pmthey are just pissed off becasue the country isnt 100% straight white christians…thats the only reason they see us in moral decay. By virtually every other standard we are much better than we have ever been. but then again Im a very happy person with a loving family, great career and a happy future….its obvious most people here dont see there life like that…which is very sad.
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cspatriot
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:29pmDose, we “neanderthals” see your leftist ‘morality’ all the time, but I appreciate that you spelled it out so clearly by your vulgar insults to those with whom you disagree. Your brand of morality and happiness is what the rest of world recognize as decay and misery. Clean up your act.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:32pm@”Reality”
I don’t care what you think. Get it? You do not get to determine mine nor others rights. And your fetish of thinking of others jerking off is duly noted. What a sad, depraved person you are. You’re dismissed.
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thegreatcarnac
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:46pmDose….you talk about ‘reality’ but you don’t know what it is. In reality……the right wing conservatives have been proven right over and over again. You just need to look at history and confirm this. Liberals…throughout history…have authored the destruction of many countries and empires.
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Calm Voice of Reason
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:50pm@ghostofjefferson: I think the very concept of food stamps says quite a lot about the material improvement of our society. Our poor no longer need to sell themselves into slavery in order to survive. I’ll take your cliched arguments that taxation=slavery as read and stand by my statement.
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justangry
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 1:03pm“If you ask me, we are the most moral our country has ever been.”
If we were moral, the whiny ass Bolsheviks would bow down and kiss the ass of the people that are feeding them instead of demonizing them.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 1:08pmi think does makes a good point. I think the people of this country may be the most moral compared to the past (think about how we treated indians, blacks, women, etc). Saying we are more moral does not mean we are more religious.
But we must separate the morality of the people versus the morality of the government. While we seem to be doing less bad things as a society, our government is becoming less moral every day. Perpetual war, federal reserve, CIA – our government is doing things domestically and around the world that are pure evil
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 2:02pm@Calm
You look at a pile of loot and declare that because more cretins come and steal it, that must mean that we’re good to go. You can have your welfare state, the loot pile won’t last much longer, and you’re “material improvement” is written in the debt and blood of future generations. Congratulations, you’ve sold your soul and the souls of your grandchildren and you’re proud of it. I don’t have such a luxury of ignorance at my disposal.
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 4:20pm@CALMVOICEOFREASON
Reason implies logic and a critical thinking process where a conclusion is reached. So far you seem to be severely lacking on both fronts.
If you are judging the health of this nation by either the fact that we have food stamps, or the vast number of people on food stamps then you truly are, a simpleton.
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DLV
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 4:55pmSoy- I think you’re dead wrong about us becoming a more moral people. I mean hello we voted for Obama twice. Aside from that we let abortion continue to thrive we have let homosexuality continue (of course that depends on your belief system. Really all of this depends on your belief system) as an accepted practice. Divorce is rampant. Pregnancy is rampant. I mean I could go on but you get the picture. People are stupid, dumb and this country is going down the crapper faster than you can say Tutankhamen. I unfortunately am nearly at the point where I am proud to be American.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 5:04pm@DLV
You missed my point. I said that morality is different than spirituality. Obviously killing, pornography, etc is bad in God’s eye. However, if we define morality as respecting the rights of others, i cannot think of a better time in America. When this country was founded, we were killing native americans and had black people enslaved – that may have been the most immoral time….
Morality by the government, however, keeps getting worse
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DLV
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 5:22pmSoy- Kinda get it, but if you’re basing morality on whether people are protecting their rights that’s bad too because people nowadays are letting and even approving of the government trampling on our rights? Also, you have black slavery versus modern day us killing 55 million unborn babies our very own genocide. Basically what we did back at our founding was use the bible to justify what we did (evil) versus today where we have the lack of morality and the rise of a secular society and we do evil things. Take your pick. Personally even though there was racism in the 50s, I personally think that was one of our best times as well as I believe our wisest people lived at our founding.
Also, keep in mind that you say our government is getting more evil, but yet by and far we the people vote these people into office. The government kind of reflects our morality rating you know?
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soybomb315_II
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 5:44pmwell if we are going to blame americans for the actions of the government – we cannot limit it to democrats because republican party has been pilot or silent as all these bad things have been going on in government. And i am not talking about the last 4 years, this has been going on for a very very long time
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DLV
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 5:56pmSoy- Yes, the Republicans have been just as bad on many points.
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Moozmom
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 11:52amMr. Paul is sensing the end. The last Pope will be elected and during his reign, Jesus returns. The world is just setting itself up for the inevitable.
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momrules
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:24pmI keep telling people to look around at the whole world, not just America. The world is in crises and nothing but the return of Jesus Christ will repair it.
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cspatriot
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:49pm“…how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!”
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woodyee
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 11:50am“The senator made his comments about the need for faith leaders to rise up and called for increased religious fervor after Beck asked him about his own spiritual well-being.”
I think the Senator has a point there, but does the Senator remember that it was ‘faith leaders’ that also helped get the spawn of Satan’s goat re-elected? (Hmm…was that a little to harsh?)
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 11:57amWOODYEE, No.
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GunsBlazin
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 11:49amThis country needs a cleansing alright. Keep all the workers, get rid of all the takers. And before some sob gets on me. By takers I am not referring to those who have worked and paid into the system or veterans, etc.
If you don’t understand what/who I am referring to when I say “takers” then consider yourself on the list with them.
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tonypro
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 11:58amYep, we need a national enema to cleanse all the trash out of our system.
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GunsBlazin
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:33pmMaybe that is what the “Great Flood” was…. Good job Noah!
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Dismayed Veteran
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:56pmI think we should begin with atheists. If we can’t convert them, we can allow them to find out if there is a God or not. Next I would go after the muslims and give the a chance to see if there really ae 72 virgins awaiting them. In no particular order, I would concentrate on the Presbyterians because they support social justice and abortion. When we get done, the PCUSA will be a distant memory. The Lutherans are next with their support of abortion, birth control, homosexuality. Martin Luther will end up as the new “bogey man”. The Bereans with the crap they believe in would be next. Some Methodists may get a pass but would have to convert. The non-Christians I would just have sent to country where their faith is centered as long as it isn’t in the USA. Minorities with guns would have a bounty on them. They would be treated the same way as varmits. That just leaves the Catholics and the Baptists. I wonder who has the most guns?
Is this clean enough for you.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 1:00pmwhat about the people who have worked and are now taking more out of the system than they ever put in? Can we get rid of them too?
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justangry
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 1:06pm@Dismayed Veteran, So I should be cleansed? Wow!
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DLV
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 5:02pmDismayed Vet- Dear God man I hope you were joking. That was in very poor taste, not mention the fact a lot of it was wrong. I really don’t think the Lutherans have an official support position on abortion. Stop smoking crack and get back to reality. From your implication you sound like killing or deporting people is a good idea. Sick
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pappywags
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 11:49amHe is correct.
“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
John Adams quotes (American 2nd US President (1797-1801), 1735-1826)
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woodyee
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 11:56amGood post, Pappy – thanks!
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Jadedfate
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 12:01pmJefferson disagrees.
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The Big Mick
Posted on February 13, 2013 at 2:09pmJefferson did state “they [each individual] are endowed by THEIR CREATOR, with certain unalienable rights”
That’s what The Constitution and The Republic it Creates exist SOLELY to DO, JF. Secure GOD ENDOWED Unalienable Individual Rights.
By his OWN WORDS, Jeff says the ONLY reason FOR legitimate Government is to SECURE GOD ENDOWED Individual Unalienable Rights.
You cannot, in any Jeffersonian sense, EXCLUDE God from the Public Square since the RIGHT to Free Speech and to the “FREE EXERCISE of RELIGION” is GOD ENDOWED, right along with the RIGHT to hold The State ACCOUNTABLE for NOT “establishing” a religion.
As long as nobody says “You ALL got to be Baptists”, you ain’t got a leg to stand on and any attempt to FENCE OFF PUBLIC Debate from “Religious” thought is ANTI-Constitutional and ANTI-Jeffersonian. No ESTABLISHMENT and NO infringement of FREE EXERCISE.
I’m down with the first, some people keep crossing over into infringement of the second CLAIMING authority from the first. Such authority does NOT exist. BOTH and, not either or.
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