
In this aerial photo, law enforcement authorities investigate the burn-out cabin Wednesday, Feb.13, 2013 where accused quadruple-murder suspect Christopher Dorner was believed to have died after barricading himself inside, during a Tuesday stand-off with police in the Angeles Oaks area of Big Bear, Calif. San Bernardino Sheriff’s Deputy Jeremiah MacKay was killed and another wounded during the shootout with Dorner. Credit: AP
LOS ANGELES (TheBlaze/AP) — There was no question. The man standing before Rick Heltebrake on a rural mountain road was Christopher Dorner.
Clad in camouflage from head to toe and wearing a bulletproof vest packed with ammunition, the most wanted man in America was just a few feet away, having emerged from a grove of trees holding a large, assault-style rifle.
As teams of officers who had sought the fugitive ex-Los Angeles police officer for a week were closing in, Dorner pointed the gun at Heltebrake and ordered him to get out of his truck.
“I don’t want to hurt you. Start walking and take your dog,” Heltebrake recalled Dorner saying during the carjacking Tuesday.
The man, who wasn’t lugging any gear, got into the truck and drove away. Heltebrake, with his 3-year-old Dalmatian Suni in tow, called police when he heard a volley of gunfire erupt soon after, and then hid behind a tree.
A short time later, police caught up with the man they believe was Dorner, surrounding a cabin where he’d taken refuge after crashing Heltebrake’s truck in the San Bernardino Mountains 80 miles east of Los Angeles.
A gunfight ensued in which one sheriff’s deputy was killed and another wounded. After the firefight ended, a SWAT team using an armored vehicle broke out the cabin’s windows and began knocking down walls. A fire broke out and later charred remains believed to be Dorner’s were found.
San Bernardino County Sheriff John McMahon said Wednesday the fire was not set on purpose.
“We did not intentionally burn down that cabin to get Mr. Dorner out,” he said.
His deputies lobbed pyrotechnic tear gas into the cabin, and it erupted in flames, he said. McMahon did not say directly that the tear gas started the blaze, and the cause of the fire was under investigation.
However, a YouTube video with more than 400,000 views claims to contain audio of police calling for the cabin to be burned down over the police scanner. Critics are holding up the audio as proof that police set the cabin ablaze.
In the police audio, which was broadcast on CBS affiliate KCAL-TV on Tuesday, one officer can be heard shouting “Burn it down” or “Burn him out,” while a second officer seems to yell, “Burn that fu**ing house down!” The authenticity of the audio has not been confirmed.
Listen below (Warning: Strong language)
Meanwhile, police say the pyrotechnic tear gas canisters used are also called “burners,” providing a possible explanation to the police audio.
The Huffington Post has more on some additional audio:
In addition, a video that has surfaced on YouTube appears to include another recording of police audio from Tuesday’s standoff. In the audio, which could not be independently confirmed, a voice says, “We’re gonna go forward with the plan, with the burn … Like we talked about.”
A short while later a male voice says: “Seven burners deployed and we have a fire.” A female voice then responds: “Copy. Seven burners deployed and we have a fire.” (Listen to the full audio here.)
The sheriff said authorities have not positively identified the remains. However, all evidence points to it being Dorner, he said, and the manhunt is considered over.
“We believe the investigation is over at this point,” he added.
A wallet and personal items, including a California driver’s license with the name Christopher Dorner were found in the cabin debris, an official briefed on the investigation told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing probe.
The tourist community of Big Bear Lake that was the focus of the intensive manhunt was returning to normalcy Wednesday and residents were sharing stories of the last weeks’ events. None was more dramatic than Heltebrake’s.
He said he wasn’t panicked in his meeting with Dorner because he didn’t feel the fugitive wanted to hurt him. “He wasn’t wild-eyed, just almost professional,” he said. “He was on a mission.”
“It was clear I wasn’t part of his agenda and there were other people down the road that were part of his agenda,” he said.
Dorner, 33, had said in a rant that authorities believe he posted on Facebook last week that he expected to die, with the police chasing him, as he embarked on a campaign of revenge against the Los Angeles Police Department for firing him.
The apparent end came in the same mountain range where Dorner’s trail went cold six days earlier, after his pickup truck – with guns and camping gear inside – was found abandoned and on fire near Big Bear Lake.
His footprints led away from the truck and vanished on frozen soil.
Deputies searched hundreds of cabins in the area and then, in a blinding snowstorm, SWAT teams with bloodhounds and high-tech equipment in tow widened their search.
Authorities for the most part looked at cabins boarded up for the winter, said Dan Sforza, assistant chief of the California Department of Fish and Wildlife, and often didn’t enter occupied homes where nothing appeared amiss.
San Bernardino County Deputy Chief Steve Kovensky said Wednesday that he did not believe anyone was in another cabin near the command post when search team began going door-to-door after Dorner’s truck was discovered. He also did not say how long Dorner might have been in that cabin or whether deputies had entered it during the dayslong search.
That could have been how Dorner went overlooked. He was there Tuesday, however, when two women arrived to clean it, said Lt. Patrick Foy of the state Fish and Wildlife Department.
With three killings behind him and law enforcement still on the hunt, Dorner didn’t shoot them. Instead, he tied up the women and took their purple Nissan as he fled. Sparing the housekeepers ultimately would start the chain of events that would lead to his undoing.
One of the women broke free and called 911, Foy said, and the chase was on.
Two game wardens quickly spotted the car on a meandering road along a scenic lake, and deputies planned to throw down spike strips to puncture the vehicle’s tires, authorities said.
The driver of the vehicle seems to anticipate the move, pulling close behind the school buses to give officers no space to drop the strips, Foy said. Dorner had warned – even boasted – in the rant that he knew their tactics and techniques as well as the officers pursuing him.
The purple Nissan then disappeared.
Heltebrake, a ranger who takes care of a Boy Scout camp nearby, said he just had lunch and was checking the perimeter of the camp for anything out of the ordinary when he saw someone emerge from the trees, and instantly recognized Dorner as the man on the news.
Officers trying to find the fugitive quickly realized he must have turned onto a side road, but for a few minutes nobody involved in the chase knew he had changed vehicles.
That was when officers saw Heltebrake’s truck, and Dorner appeared to be behind the wheel. And then the shooting started.
At one point, an officer emptied a high-powered semiautomatic rifle into the truck, but Foy said he doubts the driver was hit. “If he had been struck it would have caused so much damage immediately that he (the warden) probably would have known,” he said.
Out of options after crashing the pickup, the driver made a break for a cabin and barricaded himself inside.
With the standoff under way, officers lobbed tear gas canisters into the cabin. A single shot was heard inside before the cabin was engulfed in flames, said a law enforcement official who requested anonymity because the investigation was ongoing.
If the body found there proves to be Dorner’s, the death toll from the rampage would be four, including a Riverside police officer.
Sheriff’s Deputy Jeremiah MacKay was killed and another deputy wounded at the cabin. MacKay, a detective who had been with the department 15 years, had a wife, 7-year-old daughter and 4-month-old son, sheriff’s officials said.
Police said Dorner began his run on Feb. 6 after they connected the Feb. 3 slayings of a former police captain’s daughter and her fiance with his angry manifesto.
Dorner blamed former LAPD Capt. Randal Quan for providing poor representation before a police disciplinary board that fired him for filing a false report. Dorner, who is black, claimed he was the subject of racism by the department and was targeted for reporting misconduct.
Chief Charlie Beck, who initially dismissed his allegations, said he would reopen the investigation into his firing – not to appease the ex-officer, but to restore confidence in the black community, which had a tense relationship with police that has improved in recent years.
LAPD Lt. Andrew Neiman said his agency had returned to normal patrol operations Wednesday but about a dozen targets Dorner threatened to go after would continue to be protected until the remains are positively identified.
“This really is not a celebration,” he said.

























































































































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heidihoneighbor
Feb. 13, 2013 at 11:06pmHilarious!
Of course it was burned down on purpose. The cops are on tape saying burn the fn house down.
Funny how left swinging cali is, and how everyone is so against our military using torcher but its completely okay for left cali to burn people alive.
Just as well, i reckon. Otherwise this murderer could have been the next o j
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Gold Coin & Economic News
Feb. 13, 2013 at 11:16pmWe are beginning to have absolute lawlessness in this country. Cops going on the rampage and court certified insane judges, and this is just the beginning. Obama is the king of the lawless:
http://www.isthatbaloney.com/chicago-judge-who-battered-deputy-found-not-guilty-by-reason-of-insanity-hopes-to-return-to-bench/
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Witness1974
Feb. 14, 2013 at 3:08amThis is nothing new. Remember the Patty Hearst case? What happened to the SLA? LAPD burned the house down around them. Same story, “Oops, the tear gas caught the place on fire.” Dorner should have paid with his life. However, how many murders are there in Southern California? Why is it the army of law enforcement never goes after other murderers like they went after him. I am strong on criminal justice, but I want it for everyone. How many stories have we heard lately where “an off duty cop” pulled a gun to protect himself by shooting a perpetrator while at the same time they’re making ordinary citizens criminals for even owning a gun. Try pulling a gun in California to protect yourself. You will be in jail so fast the gun won’t have time to cool. We have been disarmed by the authorities.
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GroundZero is Nuclear Demolition x3
Feb. 14, 2013 at 5:10amRemember the skateboarder last week?
http://youtu.be/bN5AXq4WvZI
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Obama_In_PeePee_Is_Becks_Art
Feb. 14, 2013 at 5:16am“Sheriff Says Cabin Not Purposely Burned Down in Dorner Standoff…But Police Scanner Chatter Sparks Debate”
Sound familiar? It should. It happened before. Multiple times:
“This Is Not An Assault: Penetrating the Web of Official Lies Regarding the Waco Incident”
http://www.amazon.com/This-Not-Assault-Penetrating-Regarding/dp/0738863424
“The Waco Story is NOT about “gun nuts” and pedophilia”
“Because it’s one thing for a rogue agency to decide that such an assault is necessary; it’s yet another thing to realize that the agency knew that the assault was both illegal and would not hold up to public scrutiny, and went into coverup mode from the beginning.”
“Waco Feb 28-April 19, 1993″
http://www.hardylaw.net/waco.html
“The official version is undercut by BATF’s concession that, when informed of the investigation, Koresh invited agents to come over, look at the firearms, and take any that they might feel were questionable. … nine days before the raid. They [even] went shooting with David Koresh.”
“The codename for the Waco raid was “Operation Trojan Horse.” The code for its initiation was “Showtime.” The target date was less than two weeks before BATF’s House Appropriations hearings were scheduled. The team assigned included a Public Information Officer, who made sure to alert newspapers to stand by for a story that weekend.
… and YOU are next.
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redfish52
Feb. 14, 2013 at 7:07amI guess “Burn this Mother###### down” is police code for…let’s sit here until he runs out of bullets and then we will ask him to please come out and put these handcuffs on and get in the back of my police cruiser…
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redfish52
Feb. 14, 2013 at 7:32amNot that I care that this POS was turned into a toaster strudel….I just hope the police knew for sure that he was alone in the house. If so I say they made the correct call and should say so….when this animal decided to go on his killing spree he gave the police the all clear to kill him no mater which way they saw fit….
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226crimsontrace
Feb. 14, 2013 at 9:49amGlenn just stated that he doesn’t care if they burned it down on purpose. Maybe he would care if he had made it to a foreign country and they sent a drone in to smoke his A$$
Due process is dead, thank Glenn and his choir of idiots
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CLEttinger
Feb. 14, 2013 at 10:35amSad day in America, an ex-L.A. P.D. trainee was fired because he was not able to do the job competently and he made false allegations against his training officer. He went out on a PERSONAL vendetta and started MURDERING innocent people; people he thought were his enemies and what is worse he murdered their children.
This “man”, he hardly earned that moniker, is being hailed by many as a hero that fought the system. He is no hero, he is/was a petty piece of trash and he deserved what he received. I only wish he didn’t shoot himself before he burned. He should have felt the flames before he died, but I’m absolutely positive he is feeling them right now.
The L.A. P.D. did what must be done, this was not a movie. They trapped a murderer and would not take a chance of him getting away to further endanger innocent people. He was alone and refused to surrender after “cold” teargas was administered. They used incendiary tear gas, that whether meant to or not fired the cabin. If a flaming house would not make him surrender nothing was going to. Better to be done now than take a chance of him shooting another deputy or worse escaping again to continue his slaughter.
Don’t place your frustration in the government on false messiahs. There are reasons to hold our government accountable for the breeches of our constitution, the constitution itself tells us this is our God given right; however, raising a petty man on a PERSONAL vendetta to the heights of being the hero o
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4truth2all
Feb. 14, 2013 at 11:30amYo 226:
Due process … process that is due a MULTI -murderer … give him one chance to come out alive …. after that to bad for him …because that’s one more chance then he gave.
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4truth2all
Feb. 14, 2013 at 11:32amAnother 226:
What is Beck guilty of … his opinion?
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WarMunger_Al
Feb. 14, 2013 at 12:45pmSo, you are all saying we should add burning at the stake as a legitimate method of execution? I hope you feel that way when they come to your house to collect your firearms.
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faithkills
Feb. 14, 2013 at 1:53pmBeck and the Blaze is guilty of believing in the Constitution only when it SUITS their opinion.
Dorner was alone or he wasn’t. If he was alone then there was no risk. They could have waited him out.
If he wasn’t alone, or didn’t know if he was, they could have murdered innocent hostages.
You believe in due process or you don’t. You believe in the Constitution or you don’t. Dorner was an gun-control piece of crud. That’s not the point.
The police murdered him. That’s the point.
The media is covering for it. That’s the point.
You guys are really not paying attention to the world you live in. You think if it was a patriot that annoyed the police they would have done different, or the media would not cover it up?
This wasn’t spooks hiding ‘state secrets’. The only thing this loon knew was one of thw worst kept secrets on the planet, that the LAPD is one of the dirtiest forces in America.
He was murdered because they wanted to murder him. He was murdered because they knew the media would cover it up.
If you think when some cop decides to bump you off for contempt of cop anything will be different because you’re a patriot you’re delusional.
The Bill of Rights doesn’t protect YOU if you don’t insist it protects EVERYONE.
Once you let the government decide who it applies to, guess what? Patriots are not their most favorite people.
Wake. The. Hell. Up.
And Mr. Beck, if you really care about America you need to stop being their pupp
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sog711
Feb. 14, 2013 at 2:43pmTo everyone crying about due proces…. he had an opportunity to surrender. Hopefully he would have been given his due process if he had chose to come out peacefully. But he did not. He chose to hole up in that cabin and shoot at the cops killing one of them. So got what he deserved.
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DefyTYRANNY
Feb. 14, 2013 at 9:28pmObama in Peepee -
Yes, I have mentioned this about Waco before, and many people always post about how that the Davidians set the fires themselves or some such drivel.
Total BS.
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sillyfreshness
Feb. 14, 2013 at 11:08pmYou can always trust the cops just as you can always trust Homeland Security or FEMA. Just look at Sandy Hoax. We are now supposed to turn in our guns based on an “event” where little information out. No video of the alleged perp showing up to the school. A school nurse who claims she was friends with Lanza’s mom as she was a fellow teacher-only to find out she never taught there. Trust the official story of Sandy Hoax and turn in your guns. Don’t question anything about Sandy Hoax or you might be called a Truther.
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Wyld_goose
Feb. 13, 2013 at 11:01pmSo in one fell swoop, this administration has gotten many conservatives on board with the use of drones on american citizens. Dam that was fast!
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 13, 2013 at 11:25pmit is amazing….and Shakespearean
Star Wars: “So this is how liberty dies….With thunderous applause”
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YOURSENSEI
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:55pmThis is what you must know:
Dorner was born in Kenya. He had a vegetable garden!
it is so.
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jman-6
Feb. 13, 2013 at 11:03pmAre you that big of a loser to troll different sites spouting gibberish.. FYI it’s one thing to be an incompetent moron, however it’s very revealing to open ones mouth and remove all doubt!
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Eastinfection
Feb. 13, 2013 at 11:08pmYou’re so wrong, SENSEI.
Dorner has a Hawaiian birth certificate.. and i can prove it.. hmm if i could only find it… oh!.. here it is (3yrs later) …& and there is absolutely positively NO reason why we can’t read Dorner’s wife Michelle’s thesis from Princeton… right? ….or CAN we?….. hmmm?……
http://obamaprincetonthesis.wordpress.com/
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TH777
Feb. 13, 2013 at 11:12pm@YOURSENSEI: Please get your crayons and coloring book and go to your room. Grow up!
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RJJinGadsden
Feb. 13, 2013 at 11:19pmWANG FOR BRAINS, Did you just wake up from being stoned all day? Red Lebanese, or Yellow? You are a supposed man of distinction, so I bet you go for the good stuff.
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YOURSENSEI
Feb. 14, 2013 at 9:48amThis is what you must know:
Yes, it all sounds so ridiculous, doesn’t it? (Congratulations, you’re coming around.)
Viva la thai sticks!
It is so
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Bullitt2008
Feb. 14, 2013 at 11:02amI’m with YOURSENSEI on this one. Dorner WAS born in Kenya! The proof is that Obama, another Kenyan, and Dorner are both progressive idiots that have no problem killing innocent people. Only the vegetable garden part is in dispute.
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jman-6
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:55pmIn no way do I condone Dorner’s actions however the police reduced themselves to his level and became just as lawless as he was! Remember two wrongs never make a right. You either have and abide by the rule of law or you don’t and descend into chaos as picking and choosing always leads to!
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Gonzo
Feb. 14, 2013 at 7:29amRemember Brian Nichols? He shot several people in an Atlanta court room and led police on a merry chase for several days before he was cornered and surrendered. Most of the murders he committed were caught on tape and he confessed. Here is an excerpt from a 2008 article about it.
“The defense team for Brian Nichols has spent $1.8 million so far – nearly half the state’s entire annual public-defender budget – and say they need more money. (By comparison, the state prosecutor has spent $5 million – in a case where the accused confessed and several of the murders were caught on tape.)”
Would you really rather spend millions on this guy’s trial and further elevate his martyr status in the eyes of the leftist media and many other befuddled Americans?
I say good riddance, I hope he burned to death.
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WarMunger_Al
Feb. 14, 2013 at 12:47pmthe LAPD shot more people than dorner did
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Truthbeliever2
Feb. 14, 2013 at 5:21pmYEA To hell with the Constitution and due process! Lets save some $$$ instead!
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Wyld_goose
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:52pmI wonder where one goes to pick up one of those asbestos wallets?
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jman-6
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:57pmWas thinking the same thing but figured he must have had it in one of the kevlar vest pockets. It don’t burn very well.
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mcmeador
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:44pmWhy did he only call the police once he heard gunfire? His truck had just been stolen and by a murderous fugitive no less.
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Eastinfection
Feb. 14, 2013 at 12:32amHe probably had some dope in the glove….
it’s California fur Chrissakes.
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Excomunicatedmarine
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:34pmDid anybody hear any screaming from the fire ? He blew his head after starting the fire. Most of these ego trippers implode when their belief that they are superman comes crashing down. It is a known repeated pattern.
As for the tape….the words “burn” and “have a fire ” refer to the smokes, unfortunate term, best think of new ones.
This whole thing is a mess, but no doubt Dorner brought it on himself……if every one started shooting every time they were found to be wrong, there would be no rule of law at all. Further IMHO we are real close to no rule of law. One reason to be armed.
In our cities we have lots of folks who will be against the cops no matter what, these folks blame their own uselessness on anyone but themselves. Might not be politically correct to say it, but it is true.
I also gotta say that many of his race are seriously sensitive and every time they are found to be wrong have to blame it on something other than themselves. Help them out of poverty, success brings about self reliance and realization that your problems are mostly your own creation.
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WarMunger_Al
Feb. 14, 2013 at 12:49pmthe cops set the fire. They are on tape both from scanner and tv talking about it. They were just too afraid because dorner was a better shot then they were. What a pathetic swat team.
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Melvin Spittle
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:34pmI sent the Blaze a tip yesterday on what I heard on my IP based scanner regarding the LE leadership stating they suspected he was in the basement and would not go in or allow the fire department to put out the blaze until the basement burned completely. They specifically asked the dispatcher who had someone with knowledge of the cabins construction if the basement ceiling was constructed of wood or concrete. If they did not set it on fire, it could be from the scanner statements I witnessed that the intent was they preferred to let him burn.
Although he was a despicable murderer who through his own admission deserves the death penalty, this possibly sets a terrible precedent of police abuse of authority to serve their desires for vengeance. Unfortunately, all investigation will most likely die and any possible corruption left buried.
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DeOppressoLiber
Feb. 13, 2013 at 11:01pmPlease listen to this Police Chief about why cops carry guns and why hey want gun control.
We carry guns to intimidate and show power…. They want gun control to make their jobs easier and less stressful.
The Founding Fathers where so correct with the Bill Of Rights and the Constitution.
Now we know where the cops stand and how they look at their jobs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYmDEIH4H3A
And remember Warren vs The District Of Columbia, the police are there to enforce the laws not to protect you.
http://gunowners.org/sk0503.htm
After you boldly question this and do your own research you will understand why the Founding Fathers gave the free citizens the 2nd Amendment
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Advection
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:32pmThe Constitution is mightier than the gun. Why do you all think that Obama was begging for a vote on gun control in his last speech? Why do you all think that liberals are so desperate to paint conservatives as gun-crazy murderers?
Anyone who thinks they can succeed where this highly trained and armed insider failed is an idiot.
Use your brain; use the Constitution; sue their pants off. It’s what they all fear most.
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DeOppressoLiber
Feb. 13, 2013 at 11:08pmI think history has proven your second paragraph wrong
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WtR1IbpfyXM/UPxtq3qQc3I/AAAAAAAAAY0/1R1FfF16rCA/s1600/Insurgency+Fail+Poster.jpg
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WarMunger_Al
Feb. 14, 2013 at 12:53pmand once the court lefty court sides against you and they ship you off for re-education what are you going to do then? nothing, because you will have let yourself be disarmed. If this guy would have been as cold blooded as they claim, he would have killed the couple and would still be on the loose.
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Lando
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:31pmI wonder if the cops would of burned it down if it was one their houses?
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Redfor
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:58pmHmmm… Wonder if they would consider this Arson.. heh.. But When this all first started, I knew he would never seen the inside of a jail.. When you go after Police families you pretty much put your own nails in your coffin.
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Excomunicatedmarine
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:18pmI think Dorner started the fire. He certainly started the war.
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GroundZero is Nuclear Demolition x3
Feb. 14, 2013 at 4:39amYou are mentally disturbed, and certainly kicked out of the military for good reason.
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DefyTYRANNY
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:15pmNot purposefully burned my a**.
They Waco’d the dude.
Which, in this case, I’m cool with it.
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Toxic Pirate
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:28pmReally ? your cool with the “Waco thing”
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:13pmdead men tell no tales
you know how the government likes it
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RJJinGadsden
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:27pmDead Men Don’t Wear Plaid.
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Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:40pmBut deadmen do waterski, I saw weekend at Bernies.
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Eastinfection
Feb. 13, 2013 at 11:11pm“Dead-Heads” miss Jerry….. a lot.
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SwampFoxHiggy
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:11pmI am in no way supporting the ex-cop’s actions, but if they really did decide to burn the cabin down around him, that’s bull crap. and all of you agreeing with their tactics are less-than-constitutionalists. so just because a man’s ACCUSED of murder, he isn’t afforded due process? they obviously had no intentions of taking him alive. For all you who say you support the constitution and people’s rights, you sure are quick to judge. you either support the constitution or you don’t. there’s no middle ground and you can’t pick and choose what rights are deserved or aren’t. just saying.
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:15pmyou are right. thats why some of us keep going – because they have not learned their lesson
they told us that patriot act is fine as long as you have nothing to hide….Now they are saying setting peoples houses on fire is ok as long as you didnt commit a crime…..See where this is going???
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SwampFoxHiggy
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:47pmSOY, that’s exactly right. give them an inch, and they will take a mile. they rode on the back of the fear from 9/11 to push through the Patriot Act. Just like they’re riding Sandy Hook for gun control. It’s amazing that all they need is a crisis to get people to bow out and give up liberty. Police State much? feels like a minority report society is just around the corner. Founding Fathers are rolling over in their graves.
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DeOppressoLiber
Feb. 13, 2013 at 11:18pmI agree, Remember John Adams and the Boston Massacre.
“The law will not bend to the wanton tempers of men. It preserves a steady, undeviating course.”
Please read, a short essay.
http://www.alabar.org/lawday/winners11/Mary-Elmore-Demott-essay%201st%20place%207-9.pdf
The police lost the IO campaign on this one and put up a perimeter and wait him out. he comes out shooting shot him.
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edotddot
Feb. 14, 2013 at 12:42amDorner had no intention of being taken in alive. Many on here tonight would just like to lump this murderer and his firefight with local authorities and past federal misdeeds that happened two decades ago into one category. One doesn’t have any relevancy with the other.
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WarMunger_Al
Feb. 14, 2013 at 12:56pmit is simple. The majority of republicans, like the majority of Democrats do not care one bit about the constitution. The NDAA and patriot act are both Republican created abominations. The “two”parties just cant agree on which amendments to violate.
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cebva
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:08pmHe “probably” got what he deserved but it is chilling to see Waco II take place. It is exactly as he described in his manifesto: a police blood-lust. Someone in that cabin (maybe him) was executed by being burned alive, without a trial, without any due process and, in all likelihood, unnecessarily. This is not the way a civilized society deals with problems. We are better than this and our system of justice is better than this.
We have forsaken our Constitutional rights and duties in the name of expediency. It was easier to burn him alive than to wait and try him in a court of law. Are we now a nation of situational ethics? Is OK to burn this accused person but not that one? This is led from the very top by a White House that cares not about the Constitution but rather an agenda. For the police to say they never intended to cause a fire is such an obvious lie that it undermines any credibility they might have had. It is like blaming Benghazi on a stupid video, repeating the lie and then denying it.
It appears he was a murderer. It appears he got what he deserved. It is certain that the police behaved like a lynch mob and killed not just the alleged perpetrator but also a citizen’s constitutional rights. Justice may have been served but it was not done.
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:16pmwe did not get justice, we got vengence
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omgfolks
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:07pmThis whole thing showed some bad police at work. First you have two cops shooting at the innocent, not too mentioned who else was run down or pulled over looking for the truck. Then you have acop dring past the perp and then stopping firing round into the vehicle from behind which could have been the reason the last cop was shot and now we hear audio of some really bad idea coming from the cops. I am not so certain that Dorner was the bad guy in all this anymore…
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:17pmand you all think the LAPD was blameless in the story of Dorner? That Dorner was just some crazy guy acting out of racism and jealousy?
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Cavallo
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:25pmEvil eating evil. Evil eats itself.
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WarMunger_Al
Feb. 14, 2013 at 12:59pmthey also shot a guy surfing…
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fastgen1
Feb. 13, 2013 at 9:52pmThis is typical, if it is shooting innocent in the blue truck, or telling the helicopters to get the H out, or screaming in the radio “torch the MF” gosh jolly gee, we are here to serve and protect, “our own”. Most cops are psychological misfits, the kids that no one liked in high school, are getting even now. “torch him”
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AUsername
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:07pmyeah though most of them are not, they and the troops make up 99 percent of the disturbers of peace in the world.
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Five
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:07pmYep
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RJJinGadsden
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:38pmFASTGEN1, you might want to talk to some cops in your area, and warning, do it in a way to try not to piss them off. You sound as though that might be your incentive. But, find out what kind of Psyc Evaluations they have to go through and how often. Been through a number of them myself, one was three days of written batteries mixed with interviews conducted by different people. They work hard trying to trip you up to see if you need to be weeded out. But, some do slip through, and continue to slide by. Its just going to happen, and it is certainly a shame that Dorner slipped by.
I’ve joked a lot here about some of those posting. But, my point is that we don’t actually know what all happened. We’ll hear shortly about the investigations, and some time down the road if there was wrong doing on the part of the cops, somebody actually will speak out. Just don’t take that helluva leap of faith to the conclusion that there is a conspiracy behind every tree.
AULESLESSNAME, Apparently, you have never been in San Francisco when the 49ers win a major football game. N-I-N-E-R-S…..Man!!
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TH777
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:59pmBy no means am I sticking up for the LAPD. I’m sure there is a lot of “unfit” cops on the force. But, you HAVE to remember that every day that they go to work they deal with thugs, criminals, rapists, killers, thieves, etc., etc, etc. It has got to affect them! If we on the Blaze get so frustrated with the things we see and read about going on in the world, can you imagine having to deal with this physically on a daily basis?? I for one believe that Dorner may have had a legitimate complaint. I will give him that much. I’m “white” and I can believe he may have been unjustly fired. But I also believe color has nothing to do with it. Remember “SERPICO”??? Serpico was WHITE!! Why does everything have to be a “racist” issue??? Why can’t it be a question of whether a PD dept. is corrupt due to just “corruption”??. That’s the part that really ticks me off!! For Gods sake if they would stop playing the racist card all the time then maybe people would listen more. The racist card is really, really getting OLD!!
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The Big Mick
Feb. 13, 2013 at 9:51pmCan you say “Waco”?
The LaPed and surrounding PoPos continue to NOT cover themselves with Glory.
They behaved depressingly like a LA Street Gang seeking revenge for a drive by shooting by STAGING a drive by shooting.
I hate the Black Racist Self-entitled POS Doornob, but I fail to see how the LaPed distinguished themselves as any more Noble, Honest, Brave, Disciplined, or Full of Integrity or Competence then the Suspect they Failed to take into custody.
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:22pmthey ought to turn in their badges. We have rules and law against these sort of actions
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Eastinfection
Feb. 14, 2013 at 12:07amYes Mick!… i would like to see a provocateur of violent crime meet justice, other than his own brand, too.
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Daddymac10
Feb. 13, 2013 at 9:50pmCabin is made of flammable wood, they lit the match and shot it into the cabin, and they claim they didn’t try to burn it down. Really??
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whatthecrazy
Feb. 13, 2013 at 9:42pmGood grief this story is full of murder and mayhem.I guess the only silver lining to this cloud is we don’t have to support his sorry A$$ while he sued everybody who hurt his feelings.Btw i think they should have taken him out by gunfire just as he took out his victims with gunfire.I guess burning him up gave him a heads up on what hell will be like.
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AUsername
Feb. 13, 2013 at 9:39pmthis is another tactic gun owners can expect against them during confiscation. but its not hard to fight fire with fire isn’t it.
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LoveBringsTruth
Feb. 13, 2013 at 9:39pmthey tried to waco him. Fight man to man.
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Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Feb. 13, 2013 at 9:37pmGee, a cop killer who said he would not be taken alive, just had a vicious shoot out, and the Police saved the state millions of dollars in a long trial and housing this creep for the rest of his life. I don’t care if they screamed “Burn the WItch” while the threw Phospherous gernades. Here again, the perp is the victim and the police are the criminals. What is happening to our country, and the Media is making me sick.
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RJJinGadsden
Feb. 13, 2013 at 9:45pmDARMOK, Just thought that I would enter this story to count the tin foil hats. Yep, see several already.
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Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Feb. 13, 2013 at 9:48pmYou got that right RJJ. Go check out my other rant on the Lamont Hill story.
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RJJinGadsden
Feb. 13, 2013 at 9:51pmDARMOK, Headed that way.
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The Big Mick
Feb. 13, 2013 at 9:56pmAnd you don’t think when the LaPed riddles two women with bullets simply because their Truck happens to have a vague resemblance to the Suspects that they are ACTING criminally?
I do.
Everything they did smacked of Cowadice, Lack of Discipline, Incompetence and Venality.
And I regard Doornob as a Black Racist Self-entitled POS!
It is not his, or my, fault that the LaPed did NOTHING to DISTIGUISH THEIR integrity from HIS!
They ACTED just LIKE an LA street gang out for REVENGE!
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RJJinGadsden
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:00pmDARMOK, Excellent message. But, like I said, the post is spot on and too much common sense for him to get it. You may as well be trying to explain the difference regarding aircraft wing dihedral from in flight, to standing on the tarmac to AUSERNAME.
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RJJinGadsden
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:05pmTHE BIG MICK, I’ve never said, nor will I ever say that there are no dumbasses wearing badges. I’ve worked with several while in LE myself. They are nowhere near all as described here by some. I’d rather wait for the results of the investigation, then also catch what some of the cops expose later. If something is wrong and there is any cover up, something will eventually come out. Maybe not all, but something, but that is still an “IF.” At least in my humble opinion.
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Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:10pm@The Big Mick
Those women were wearing knockoff tennis shoes and they were wearing white after labor day. It wasn’t the LAPD that shot them, it was the fashion police, they are very well armed these days, and very agressive when people break the fashion rules.
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AUsername
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:12pmthat is the reality you don’t want to face, but just because you put a badge and a uniform on a psychopath doesn’t change the person they will be.
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RJJinGadsden
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:26pmAUSELESSNAME, You actually figured that out all by yourself, or did you run upstairs to the kitchen and ask Mom?
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:37pmApparently RJ and Darmonk would rather worship at the alter of the state than to ‘question with boldness’…..They cheer cop vengence but the day is coming when the government will hunt us down for owning guns. They will do violent things under the guise of ‘protecting the public’ and it will be you and I in their crosshairs…..Hopefully RJ and Darmonk will remember this day – the day they cheered lawlessness and cop executioners
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Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:52pmCome on Soy, you really think this guy deserved any better? I never said the LAPD was clean or dirty, all I have said is this guy went around and killed innocent people and got exactly what he deserved. What did you expect the cops to do, just sit there and let him shoot at him, did you hear the audio of the fire fight? I have neighbors that are cops, I have friends that are Security Forces and nothing you can say will make me believe the entire LAPD is corrupt and just out to assasinate this man. He was a murderer, plain and simple. If you want to spend some tears, cry for that little girl that lost her father, cry for that young couple that was killed that had nothing to do with him or his career.
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RJJinGadsden
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:55pmSOY, Please feel free to read my post above to FASTGEN1. I believe I made my feelings crystal clear. It did appear one minute after this one, so I will not elaborate the way that I was about to. But, everything that I have said boils down to not jumping to an immediate conclusion. On other posts regarding Dorner I have also said essentially that I know better and not all cops are good. The in depth psyc analysis does not weed out all of the bad ones, and that seems to have been a fail on Dorner. Nothing and I defiantly mean Nothing that you say can possibly rationalize that Dorner had a good reason to retaliate with murder and mayhem. I’ll wait for the results of a variety of investigations. Considering Dorner’s complaint, I almost expect Eric Holder’s Justice Dept to get involved. As I have said in other posts as well, if their was wrongdoing on the part of the police something will eventually come out.
But, by all means keep your tin foil hat securely in place by using copious amounts of duct tape.
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 13, 2013 at 11:20pmit doesnt justify the ends. you heard the audio, right? i am well aware of your positions – you made them clear earlier today.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/13/columbia-professors-shock-claim-on-cnn-dorners-rampage-almost-like-watching-django-unchained-in-real-life-its-kind-of-exciting/?corder=desc#comments
The fact is that our government is becoming more tyrannical and more hostile towards americans. Our government is arming local police with military gear and drones. We no longer have rights. When you cheer these sort of storylines, the bad guys win. I wish americans would look at this story in horror instead of patriotism
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RJJinGadsden
Feb. 13, 2013 at 11:56pmSOY, obviously you just have to be far more familiar with police jargon and chatter than any of us here. I’m sure you figure that the term “burner” actually must mean a Willy Pete rather than the distinction between a “cold” tear gas projectile, and the standard pyrotechnic canister. As for all that “MF” and “burn him” phrases actually meant at least one of those cops had an Iwo Jima surplus M3 Flame Thrower, right? The cops really should take more sensitivity training so that they are nicer and have better attitudes when being shot out multiple times. No reason to get worked up, eh?
Dorner had developed a pattern that he was just not right in the head, especially when something drove him to do what he did.
If we learn that all of this was the fault of the LAPD, I’ll certainly check into it, and if the stories are feasible, I’ll go along with it.
While, on the other hand, you will never change you mind that the LAPD had a conspiracy to set this guy up, fire him, get the Navy to pass him up for promotion, at least more than once, then have him dismissed. Then somehow mess with his head even more thus driving him to murder. Yep, its the LAPD’s fault. Hell, to make you even happier lets just say its the Republican’s fault.
You are such a one trick pony, and have no deductive reasoning.
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Eastinfection
Feb. 14, 2013 at 12:14amAUSERNAME…
You have nailed that impersonation of NeeChi / Slingblade.
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WarMunger_Al
Feb. 14, 2013 at 1:09pmRJJ-
Since they call them burners, they know ahead of time they will start a fire. They intended to start the fire as they said themselves. Burn the m-f-er down, burn him up……That is not some police code, that is barbarians at the gate. Those “tear gas” canisters re probably filled with propane instead. They should not be legal to use when they have non fire starting options. I just watched a video of an LAPD officer stoping some hispanic males walking down the street. One runs and the cop gets out and fires 4 times into his back, then walks up to him and shoots him again. Clearly and execution. That cop was never punished, he is still serving LAPD. Cold blooded murder.
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Barbieboop
Feb. 14, 2013 at 1:53pmWatched 48 hr on ID last night. Man was in prison for 26/yr for a crime de didn’t commit. The arresting officer falsified the evidence. Long story short: a sgt., Internal investigator and 2 investigative reporters found discrepancies. The sgt went to commanding officer and said they had to release man. Officer told sgt to stand down and let the guy stay where he was. Sgt still pursued it. Man was released in 2009. Sgt said he was being ostracized by fellow officers, but would do it again if necessary. BTW, this took place in the LAPD. A man can only take so much!!!
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Un-Reconstructed
Feb. 13, 2013 at 9:36pmOnce again the gov’t has someone holed up & no where for them to go and they take ‘em out instead of waiting ‘em out.
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soybomb315_II
Feb. 13, 2013 at 10:39pmsomething else was in play
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revelation2012
Feb. 13, 2013 at 9:30pmwaco texas and all the little children the ATF BURNED alive ,,, same MO all n all ,,,
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right-wing-waco
Feb. 13, 2013 at 9:40pmI agree, I see a lot of parallels in the 2 fights. Now we will never know the whole truth.
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RJJinGadsden
Feb. 13, 2013 at 9:48pmDorner died in a burning wooden structure on the anniversary of President Lincoln’s birthday, much like John Wilkes Booth. I bet Dorner had a middle name too…..eerie!
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