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Gallup: These Are the 10 Most (and Least) Religious States in America

Feb. 14, 2013 3:50pm Billy Hallowell

Gallup’s 2012 results are in for America’s most — and least — religious states. Overall, 40 percent of the nation was found to be “very religious” last year (no change from the 2011 results). To qualify for this designation, an individual must affirm that religion is important to his or her daily life and that church is attended either weekly or almost every week.

In addition to the proportion of highly religious Americans, an additional 29 percent claim that they are “moderately religious,” meaning that faith is important to them, but they don’t attend religious services regularly (or that faith is not very important to them, but they still attend church regularly). This is on pace with last year’s proportion (28 percent). And finally, 31 percent do not attend church regularly and report that faith is not a big part of their lives (this was 32 percent in 2011).

Despite claims of monumental growth, Deseret News notes that the data don’t corroborate the notion that the so-called “nones” (those with no religious affiliation) are exploring in number. If there was expansion among this cohort, one would expect to see growth among the non-religious when comparing 2011 to 2012, however this isn’t the case.

Gallup: These Are the 10 Most (and Least) Religious States in America

Gallup’s interactive map shows the lower and higher ranges of religiosity by U.S. state and region (Photo Credit: Gallup)

But what about the individual states? America is a theologically-diverse country. While the vast majority of the nation is very or moderately religious, the populations within specific geographic areas — and states — differ greatly in their fervency. While Mississippi is the most religious (58 percent of residents are “very religious”), Vermont is the least (only 19 percent are “very religious”).

First, let’s take a look at the top 10 most religious states:

Gallup: These Are the 10 Most (and Least) Religious States in America

In contrast, here are the 12 least religious states:

Gallup: These Are the 10 Most (and Least) Religious States in America

Interestingly, these lists form fascinating geographic patterns. Gallup explains:

Eight of the top 10 religious states are in the South — basically comprising the entire Southern belt from Georgia and the two Carolinas on the Atlantic coast through Tennessee, Alabama, and Mississippi, to Louisiana and Arkansas in the west. The states outside the Southern belt are Utah — with its strongly religious majority Mormon population — and Oklahoma, which straddles the border between the South and the Midwest.

The 12 least religious states comprise the entirety of New England — Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Connecticut — along with the three most Northwestern states in the union, Alaska, Washington, and Oregon, plus the District of Columbia, Nevada, and Hawaii.

So, stereotypes about the South being heavily-religious and New England tending to be less interested in religious practice seem to hold true.

Gallup collected the results of this study from Jan. 1 – Dec. 31, 2012, interviewing a random sample of 348,306 adults ages 18 and older (Americans from all 50 states and the District of Columbia were included). The total sample has a 95 percent confidence rate and a margin of sampling error of +/- 1 percentage point. Most state data has a margin of error of +/- 3 percentage points (with no state exceeding +/- 6 percentage points).

You can read the full 2012 results here and see TheBlaze analysis of the 2011 results here.

(H/T: Gallup)

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Comments (152)

NoSleeper
Posted on February 15, 2013 at 6:11am
Unlike most countries, we have Freedom Of Religion. The fact that various atheist groups seem to be striving for Freedom From Religion is disappointing. Believe what you want, just don’t ask me to believe as you. My mind, my liberty, my choice, my religion (or lack thereof).

I have found that one’s profession of faith or regular attendance at church do not necessarily correlate with ‘good’ or ‘bad’ behavior. Some of the least trustworthy people I know claim to be Born Again Christians and go to church Wed. evenings and Sun. mornings, while a few atheists are the most charitable, tolerant and forgiving. I would be hesitant to paint large groups with the same broad brush.

Try measuring an individual based on his actions, not his beliefs. In the end, it is by the content of one’s character that one will be judged (in both the secular and spiritual realms).

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- jman-6
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 9:56am
  Exactly which is why the bible says “you will know them by the fruit they produce”! Which is the scriptures stating the same thing as far as looking at ones character and deeds! GOD SPEED
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 3:07pm
  I feel like this is the third time the blaze has posted this article
  
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- longtom
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 3:55pm
  Your distinction between freedom OF and freedom FROM religion is spurious. Freedom of religion doesn’t mean you get to do anything you want in the name of religion. You can’t sacrifice animals or deny children medical care in the name of religion; you can’t force your religious beliefs onto others who may not share them; you cannot use public funds or facilities to promote your religion. You can’t deny other people their civil rights just because your religion proclaims that they should not have those rights.
  So, just what is it you’re objecting to? The right of others to have beliefs other than yours? How does this “freedom from religion” manifest itself to you in such objectionable ways?
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 11:04pm
  Longtom – Your rantings are why we need to be protected from atheist tyrants like you who want to turn this country into the Soviet Union.
  
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- theridgeman
  Posted on February 16, 2013 at 1:57pm
  Morality is a learned trait. A good resource is Religion. Our Country and Constitution were reliant in a large degree of morality to succeed. God was and is the standard bearer in a Constitutional Republic. Religion was not discouraged but welcomed. The Founding Fathers also knew of the dangers of empowering one religion over another or prohibiting any religion unless it violated basic human rights. What I see today is a weakened moral standard. People call it freedom and proclaim it under freedom of speech and any other freedom the applies. Is it Moral? A point of view undoubtedly. I think and feel that in my lifetime, I have seen the morality in my fellow man decay. I do not feel that the world I live in is as wholesome as I was born into. Society today is regulated to a degree that we as growing developing humans have no opportunity to learn by experience. We rely on government to protect us which leaves us struggling for the thrill of some obscure experience; no matter the consequence. We mask or life with some chemical. We or I used to fill ourselves with a thrill of an experience, usually on the threshold of danger. When you have to rely on yourself to survive a natural moral standard emerges that is empowering and fulfilling. Try to think of the Freedoms we have lost in the name of safety. Is it worth giving your life experience away to be dependent, to be plain, to be unfulfilled????? You tell me……….
  
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- TexasRenaissance
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 7:19pm
  Religion is the biggest waste of human potential. I am thrilled that more people are avowed secularists.
  
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chicago76
Posted on February 15, 2013 at 5:26am
The point is that in non religious states people have replaced trust in Government with trust in God.

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- Jim S
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 12:57pm
  The next time your house is on fire say a prayer DO NOT call your govt. fire department. If attacked, call St. Michael..not the govt. police…potholes?..pray for heavenly paving..etc etc etc…”Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s” …even Jesus believed in separation of church and state. Is this a follow up to the biblest cities in America?
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 4:51pm
  Please tell me what the heII you are talking about. I don’t get this accusation that liberals “worship” government. We expect government to do it’s job, not to run our lives. And we agnostics look to our fellow man to solve problems because their ain’t anything above us that’s gonna do it for us…
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 11:05pm
  Freedomhater – Is that why you Marxists always whine to the government to take care of you losers from cradle to grave?
  
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NILAP
Posted on February 15, 2013 at 2:04am
In the future, the whole world will be dark green. When scientists find a way for humanity individually to enter the presence of Heaven and return (as in Near Death Experiences), where folks can pilgrimage to the womb of Heaven with others, share that experience, meet those who have passed on and return, then first hand experience not faith will define spirituality. The misunderstandings and untruths in the various holy books will be revealed. The various prophets will clarify their revelations and point out where they were wrong and did not reflect what the Creator proclaimed. For example, men and women, gay and straight have always been equal and blessed in the eyes of God. God only sanctioned monogamy in marriage – gay or straight – never polygamy. Yet none of his prophets had the courage to proclaim clearly what the Creator has always taught. These truths God instead is revealing to regular folks. In the future there will be no need for prophets since humanity will not need faith but will have direct experience with the Creator through scientific discovery. God blesses atheists for demanding proof, and God will inspire scientists to provide this proof.

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- BrutalTruth
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 8:53am
  Sure. Sounds OK. I mean, as long as you think there’s no absolute truth, you can just make stuff up, who to say it’s not true?
  
  Unfortunately for you, reality doesn’t care what you think.
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 11:06pm
  Brutallies – Since when have your beliefs ever been based on reality? LOL
  
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The Big Mick
Posted on February 15, 2013 at 12:58am
What a HOOT, I KNEW, just KNEW, this thread would draw Phromos like Dungbeetles to…..
anyway, Endlite, Athole, Uslover, EatOn3, and Useme did not disappoint.

There is nothing funnier in all this world than a Color Blind Man INSISTING we are all making up “red” and “green”. At first it is to be pitied, then as the certainty rises in proportion to the bigotry, the humor cannot be ignored.
Bagdad Bob does Theology. “It is NOT THERE! You CANNOT PROVE IT!”
Hume’s equitorial savage that didn’t believe in icebergs got NOTHIN on this crew.

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CanadaRocks
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:01pm
Saw this today. Makes sense to logical people with a basic understanding of human nature.

In the waning years of the last ice age humans were just like us in that their brains worked just like our brains. They lived simply following their food supply around the landscape. This had been the way of life for thousands of years. They new the land and had favorite locals that they looked forward to occupying when ever their food supply was in that area. They had discovered many useful plants and were experimenting with actually sowing plants rather than merely hoping to find them. They also were discovering that they could domesticate some animals and in that way began to think in terms of controlling nature rather than just going with the flow. They had no scientific understanding of anything at all. So in order to function they made up stories to explain everything. After all when their child asked why the sky was blue what were they going to say? The human mind needs a basic understanding of its environment to function. Ultimately they developed what we call religion. For them it was their constitution, knowledge base, and the definition of who they were. Religion allowed these people to give up wandering and stick to a locality. With their evolving agricultural technology and religion they could organize themselves so that camps became towns, towns became cities and cities became nations. Simply put religion is the vestigial governance of Stone Age peoples and It serves no
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- M13
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:14pm
  When are you going to learn that we don’t care what idiots from Canada think.
  
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- hotwater
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:18pm
  Interesting the difference between red and blue states. I find it interesting however that an earlier poll of people influenced by Jesus left Utah out. I think that a church who’s “real” name incorporates “Jesus Christ” should have been at the top of that list as well. Someone definitely didn’t do their due diligence on that poll.
  
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- The Big Mick
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 1:06am
  M13.
  What always gets me rollin on the floor belly laughing over these guys is their incredible arrogance in assuming that “Evidence Insufficient to Convince Me”, is coterminous with “Insufficient evidence”, is coterminous with “evidence of non-existence”.
  As the Cogent Reasoner knows “absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.”
  Every time they open their mouths they give evidence that this is NOT about Rationality to them, but about a VISCERAL reaction.
  “When a man talks loudly against religion, always suspect it is his appetites and not his intellect that has got the better of his creed.” Tristram Shandy
  
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- TopFlightSecurity
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 6:15am
  Canada
  And what evidence do you have to support this? Why is it that scientist claim to know what people thought 10000 years ago? These sound like the climate change scientist. Global warming, no ice age , no global warming, no its global warming causing an ice age. Some people will believe anything to try and deny he existence of God. I don’t see how anyone with an objective mind could see the inner workings of the earth and universe and not think it was created. Blows my mind.
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 4:55pm
  TOPFLIGHT – it’s because the more science learns, the less of a need for a “divine” explanation is needed. The so called “God of the Gaps” is occupying a smaller and smaller place in the universe.
  
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- Jim S
  Posted on February 16, 2013 at 6:05pm
  @The Big Mick
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 1:06am
  
  M13.
  What always gets me rollin on the floor belly laughing over these guys is their incredible arrogance in assuming that “Evidence Insufficient to Convince Me”, is coterminous with “Insufficient evidence”, is coterminous with “evidence of non-existence”.
  ..I agree mostly however the fatal flaw in conspiracy theories is the lack of evidence that can be tested. 9-11 was a govt.false flag operation , was some Mossad/Jewish plot..was all a hologram, plane never hit the Pentagon etc etc there is NO evidence to support these “theories” there maybe lacking information in the official version but the absence of some evidence does not amount to evidence of absence in those cases either. We are not on a jury and are not held to innocent until proven guilty standards but life’s lessons and history and a reasoned/logical mind should help lend us to truth. OJ and Casey Anthony walked and W invaded two nations that didn’t invade us with no Declaration of War..sometimes I roll on the floor and other times I just shake my head in disbelief.
  
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hi-polymer
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 9:39pm
I didn’t need Gallup to tell me the best people live in the south. I already knew.

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- Nlitend1
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 9:49pm
  That’s not what the study finds…it says they claim to go to church the most. Making the assumption that this measures who are the best people is just your ignorant assumption based on a single statistic. I understand that there is a lot of religiosity in prison as well.
  
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- The Big Mick
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 12:44am
  I know EXACTLY what you mean, HP.
  Obviously “LiteEnd” is a Yankee, at least in Soul.
  Yeah, they ARE better people, Ender.
  
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Legalize_The_Constitution
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 8:42pm
To the very intellectual and extremely prosperous people that live in non religious states. Be proud of your cities like Chicago ,New York and LA. You have so much to brag about

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- Nlitend1
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 2:04am
  Hey mick, do you say those ‘chocolate’ things in places where they can see your face? Do you think it’s okay because these are ‘like-minded’ people here. Well, while some people on the blaze would love to join in on your racism, even they know it’s not a smart thing to do. See, even on the blaze, overt racism is something that degrades whatever intolerant opinion a person is expressing. It makes all of the angry white people here look stupid when someone goes off on their welfare queen, shuck and jive, monkey talk. Just go back to your white supremacist sites, or even better go back to school. Just go.
  
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- WCJ
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 6:07am
  NLITEND1, it was New Orleans racist Mayor Ray Nagin that called New Orleans a “Chocolate city”. So don’t get down on Mick for repeating it.
  
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- longtom
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 2:31pm
  And what is about the religios states that you’re so proud of? Their contributions to art, science, and education? Oh, wait, they don’t really contribute much there. Their contribution to the economy? Oh, wait, they take more money from the federal government than they contribute. The way they live up to Jesus’ teaching to give to the poor? Oh, wait, it’s all those church-goin’ southerners that want to cut the minimum wage, cut Medicaid, and cut food stamps, and so on. Yeah, you got a lot to be proud of down there.
  
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hi
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 8:20pm
Less religious states fill more prescriptions for Prosac.

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- antitheism
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 8:46pm
  More religious states have more gastric bypass surgeries.
- Patti Momma Ewok
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 8:58pm
  Fat or mentally disturbed…I’ll take fat.
  
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- Nlitend1
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 9:59pm
  maybe you’re all so fat that you can’t afford to see the doctor for your mental illnesses?
  
  maybe you all spent your money on McDonalds and don’t have any health insurance because you all voted for the religious politician that only wants to help the employer and not the employee.
  
  But hey! I know it’s a shame that you will all be getting health insurance in the coming years, but on the bright side, you will be able to get some of those pills to cure your collective crazy.
  
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- 13thCousinOfTheAntiChrist
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:35pm
  @NLITEND1 That’s funny. Obama’s “Affordable Care Act” will not result in my having health insurance next year or anytime in the future unless I change employers. I thought it was supposed to guarantee everybody had access to health care. Heh, right.
  
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- Nlitend1
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 12:03am
  @13th
  Hmm, that’s odd. Do you live in mexico or iran? Not a whole lot of countries without socialized health care. Oh wait, you must be on your deathbed. I’m sorry that you will not live long enough to get the care that you desperately need(ed). Know that you didn’t die in vain, and it’s because of people like you that were only given care when their illness became bad enough to warrant a trip to an emergency room, and were even discouraged from this care by imminent hospital bills threatening bankruptcy…it is because of you and these types of situations that made this happen!
  
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- The Big Mick
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 12:48am
  EndLite.
  Another commiequeer heard from. Thank you for “sharing” even if it is usally with OTHER PEOPLE’s MONEY!
  
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- Nlitend1
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 1:36am
  @Big Mick
  Why are you giving input? I think you just want a personalized insult but your comments are hardly worth my effort. I mean, c’mon, your name…The Big D1ck. I bet that’s what all the girls say…when you open your mouth. I honestly keep forgetting what I am responding to, except that it was rude and stupid. Did you call me a nazi or something? At any rate, you got your wish, I have insulted you. You don’t need to come to the blaze to get insulted though, just interact. Have a good one Pig D1ck.
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 4:57pm
  More religious states have a higher proportion of their population in jail. It seems the more educated an area is, the less religious it is. Then again, the less education, the more religion, and the more crime. So it seems then that religion is evil.
  
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- smv803
  Posted on February 16, 2013 at 11:12am
  Wow, am I hearing lots of whining children here?
  
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theotherberean
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 7:40pm
Perhaps the smarter you are the less you need God.

Pride is our worst enemy.

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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 10:52pm
  Maybe smarter people realize how ridiculous it is to believe in a deity that will send you to hell for not believing in said deity
  
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- Lord_Frostwind
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 4:27am
  Been true since the beginning, “Woe unto the man who has knowledge but thinks he is wise…” And the funny thing about the people who know everything, they always seem very shocked when everything goes wrong.
  
  Hubris, it is amusing to watch.
  
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- alirags
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 9:23am
  FREEDOMLOVER_US truth is truth wether we choose to believe it or not. Why? Because God is truth (John 1:14,17)-and he doesn’t change (Hebrews 13:8). Non-Christians aren’t going to he’ll for believing in Mohammed, Buddah or some other religion. Lost people are going to he’ll because they are sinners (Romans 3:23; 6:23). Sin- not faulty religion- is what seep rates our lost friends from God.
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 5:02pm
  ALIRAGS – quoting the Bible to a non believe is like quoting The Oddysey. I don’t care about a book written by uneducated nomads in the desert during the bronze age – I have no reason to think it contains any special morality.
  
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Patti Momma Ewok
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 7:21pm
But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God has chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty. 1 Corinthians 1:27

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puravida56
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 7:19pm
agnostic libertarian here…..I found this story and thought it was interesting. I agree the religious states are the least educated, but they also are the most generous.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/generous-states-charities-lean-republican/story?id=17030246

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- Free2speakRN
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 8:39pm
  puravida56
  
  Thank you for saying that. What good is an educated man if he doesn’t share.
  
  There are generous non-religious and cheap religious, but what you point out is the rule.
  
  It is also taught, or ‘educated’ to religious, as a good work to practice ones’ faith through love.
  
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- Nlitend1
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 10:28pm
  Religiosity should correlate with charitable giving…but…is it the religion or belief in god that causes the giving, or is it the fact that the plate is being passed–the tithing is being solicited? Do benevolent people attend church more often or does church instill benevolence…or…is giving to church even a benevolent act that should be given the same level value as giving to a purpose-driving charity? One simple but problematic solution would be to exclude the portion of money given to the church that is used for salaries and church upkeep costs. This doesn’t really address ‘charitable-ness’ because the motives are not accounted for, and can’t properly be compared to other kinds of donations but it does measure the overall utility of church money. Generally, the numbers seemed flawed because some people give to church because they are providing a service to them, or they want to contribute to ‘their’ community, or in some cases they can be ostracized and kicked out for not giving. I don’t think this compares to charity that is given without solicitation, has little to no direct benefit for oneself, and has no consequences for not giving. But, whatever helps you sleep at night. I just don’t think you should have this as evidence that you aren’t a bad person, if you happen to be a racist intolerant proselytizer who justifies their unkindness with bible verses.
  
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- smv803
  Posted on February 16, 2013 at 11:17am
  The meek will inherit the earth.
  
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loneindividual
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 6:57pm
CanadaRocks
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 4:51pm

“No surprise that the 10 most teligious states are also ten of the least educated.”

“Oh yes the southern red states. Those are the ones where they are takers. They receive more than any other states as far as gov assistance goes. ”

Are you unintentionally being racist?

If you’re as smart as you act…then you know exactly what you’re doing.

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- rebel-yell
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 8:06pm
  You are wrong about being uneducated. Only a wise man would seek wisdom and virtue in the fear GOD.
  
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- sheilathatsme
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 8:36pm
  Wrong again! Democratic states receive the most federal aide. So what does this say about the most educated people? That they are also the laziest and ones with their hands out the most. Democratic states are also the ones with the highest murder rates, the most ghettos, and receive the most federal aide. So tell me what does this say about Democratic policies? That they do not work and in the past one hundred years have been the most destructive and the most corrupt. The only thing that having your education is that you’ve lost the ability to think. You’ve been taught progressive values that help no one. You cannot tell the truth from a lie and hold up everything that is evil as good and what is good as evil. Your thinking is warped and lacks deductive reasoning and mostly common sense. You may have a degree showing your head is filled with a lot of book information but very little in common sense. Do your research before you open your mouth. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/10/24/red-state-blue-state-who-receives-the-most-federal-funding-not-ready-hold-for-wed-am/
  
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Keatonc333
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 6:37pm
States with lowest education:
# 40 Georgia:
# 41 Tennessee:
# 42 Hawaii:
# 43 Alabama:
# 44 Alaska:
# 45 Louisiana:
# 46 California:
# 47 Nevada:
# 48 New Mexico:
# 49 Mississippi:
# 50 Arizona:

Its almost eerie how similar the two lists are!
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- A Hoosier Says
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 9:54pm
  Your list is wrong because South Carolina isn’t on it. I’m not knocking that state, but they always make the worst list.
  
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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 11:37am
  Considering how the “highly educated” are the people running our country now, I don’t think I’d be bragging about who’s considered “educated”.
  
  Education is only profitable if what you’re learning is correct. You can have you’re northeastern geniuses. When the crap hits the fan, I’m packing up and going where the southern hicks are.
  
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- Silvertruth
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 2:06pm
  Similar on which side? Statistically, your point is irrelevant since states from both lists (most and least religious) show up on your lack of education list.
  
  Also, what determines your lack of education list, what metrics? Is it grades completed in public schools? Is it test scores from public schools?
  
  Frequently those ‘education’ survey’s completely omit home-schooling and private schooling numbers. Many of those ‘southern’ states are very much into home and private schools.
  
  Trying to correllate your education survey with religiousness is probably an exercise in futility, but hey, if you get a kick out of it trying to prove your agenda, glad it works for ya.
  
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Revelation1.8
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 6:06pm
Hmmm, wonder how well that diploma will serve the ‘educated’ on Judgment Day?

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- Keatonc333
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 6:27pm
  wow… i just can’t explain how hilarious any atheist would find this comment!
- jlancecombs
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 10:08pm
  How about this instead? How well has this “education” succeeded in maintaining jobs and prosperity? Religiosity does not lead to being uneducated. Southern agrarian culture focuses on careers that do not REQUIRE higher education to get by. Now, if you could gain a lucrative career WITHOUT putting yourself tens of thousands of dollars in debt, you’d actually be a fool to pursue a degree.
  
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- AUsername
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 10:33pm
  enjoy your ect from getting depression by fearing something that is not proven to exist.
  
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- jlancecombs
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 10:41pm
  Sorry, but I’m pretty sure that liberal states have more therapy. Maybe that’s just because “country folk” are too stubborn to seek it, but that would be speculation, wouldn’t it?
  
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- Nlitend1
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 10:48pm
  @JLancecombs
  I think you have a good point, but it is a little simplistic. I don’t mean to sound like a jerk, but some people value education for reasons other than how much money it will be worth. On the other hand, I think most studies measuring education fail to recognize many informal sources of knowledge and may not accurately represent states that have different learning traditions–like places where people emphasize knowing how to hunt, fish and shoot.
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 4:58pm
  I’ll worry about my education for this world, which exists, versus whatever it is you’re doing for the next world, which doesn’t exist
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 11:16pm
  Freedomhater – Is that why you idiotic Marxists can’t figure out how to get a job with that useless indoctrination. Is that why you always whine about the “evil” rich people and how they owe you losers everything from cradle to grave. At least people with brains can figure out that getting a liberal arts degree is useless and know that work experience counts for more.
  
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DLV
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 5:15pm
I Am Sauron and I will use my power to take over the north and make them my slaves Muahahahaha! So we weak minded that they will follow anyone that promises them handouts. Then I shall take my brainwashed army and head for the south. Muahahahahahahaha

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- Gonzo
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 5:31pm
  Stay home, too damned many Yankees down here already.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 5:57pm
  I noticed when I was in college, that a map with “tornado alley” on it, was nearly identical with a map of the “bible belt”. Interesting, no?
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 6:25pm
  What’s your point Max?
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 6:29pm
  When you are witness to natures wrath….You get a better perspective of God’s wrath, and you want no part of it. I waited and waited, but nobody came up with it….sigh.
  
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- Keatonc333
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 6:38pm
  too late! just threw the ring in MT. Doom!
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 10:42pm
  Max- Oh I thought you were being a douche atheist (though this confused me since I know you’re a Christian) so I didn’t really get it. But I see. I thought you were trying to say there was irony for tornadoes to hit the most religious people in the country.
  
  Keaton- Nice lol.
  
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- Nlitend1
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:03pm
  @Max
  So witnessing god destroy your community makes you more likely to believe in god? Why would god do that (are we allowed to question god?)? I don’t understand why he is picking on his fans. That seems rude to do to the exact people that believe in you so much. It seems like an incentive to not believe in god. By the same logic, do people in the path of tornados have greater belief in ‘Mother Nature’? Your point seems confusing and strange. Honestly, Pat Robertson makes more sense when he says that natural disasters are made by god to punish certain people. He is more offensive but the logic is solid if you believe in god.
  
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- Nlitend1
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:16pm
  @DLV
  So, are all atheists douches? For not believing in god or your christian god specifically? Or are they all douches just when they speak or make a comment about their (lack of) beliefs? What if someone just questions the existence of god or hold some doubts? Since you’re a christian, aren’t you supposed to proselytize, or at least make an attempt to share the word of the lord with non-believers? Is your method of doing this accomplished by calling them derogatory names? If you believed in an almighty god, wouldn’t you live according to the scriptures? What was that quote about judgment and lest ye be judged?
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 12:06am
  NL- you way over-analyzed. All I meant by being an atheist douche was by making some negative comment on how southerners deserve tornadoes ripping through their land. Nothing more nothing less lol. No, not all atheists are douches and if people strove to be more like our agnostic here Deavonrye then I wouldn’t engaging atheists here as much in intelligent conversation. But it’s always about labeling Christians as mentally unstable or hurling insults such as sky fairy or sky daddy, so I generally ignore them since they are too ignorant to get it.
  
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- Nlitend1
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 12:37am
  @DLV
  sorry about that, I’ve been a bit testy this evening. I appreciate discussion and debate as well, and didn’t mean to go 5th degree on you for something you didn’t even say. TBH, I read that max comment the same way, and I also thought it was curious. In the future, when I make a comment that bothers you, feel free to rip into me…I’ll give you one for free;)
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 7:35pm
  College is a time when you are supposed to think and be exposed to new things and new ways of thought.”
  
  Mmm not anymore unfortunately, maybe at one point. If you want another story of the dozens I have, I’ll tell it. My friend’s dad said when he was in college, (he was a conservative by the way) he wrote a well researched paper explaining conservative points/ideology. The professor handed it back with a C I believe with no comments on what he didn’t do enough of like explaining. He just condemned the conservative viewpoint. But he was allowed to “change his mind” and re-write it if he wished. So as an experiment my friend’s dad took it did a half assed job on why progressive ideology is so great and got an A. Okay, do you get it? There are hundreds of these stories and if you don’t hear them you have your head in the sand. Ivy ;league colleges are among the worst culprits of these. Another example, is that professor who wants to ban the constitution. He is constitution professor and he wants to ban it. Unbelievable.
  
  Going to the same church listening to the same sermons is not healthy and no way to grow intellectually.”
  You clearly don’t understand church. This is not the goal of a true church. Come back and try again. By the way Christians have lively discussions on theology all the time which helps us grow in our faith.
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vaman
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 5:09pm
The more religious states also have the lowest levels of higher education, more obese people and lowest literacy rates in the country. Yes, how interesting.

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- DLV
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 5:20pm
  Well yes the north indoctrinates youth so well in their “education” you’d think I would have done it myself. The southerners are far more of a problem because they are tough, intelligent with out indoctrinated education, and God-fearing. Not so easy for me.
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 5:34pm
  What indoctrination are you talking about? I love people like you throw that claim out there but never back it up.
  
  If you southerners were so “tough and intelligent” the Deep South wouldn’t be a net taker of federal dollars and have the worst regional economies in the country.
  
  But seriously, back up your “indoctrination” claim. Because it seems to me devout loyalty to a church whose dogma is not to be questioned is a much finer example of indoctrination.
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 5:47pm
  What indoctrination? The constant indoctrination by lefty schools of course that change history and train the youth to be progressives. Also can I see a link where the south takes in the most fed dollars? Come on now…
  
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- Keatonc333
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 6:29pm
  DLV… ever think that perhaps it isn’t indoctrination.. maybe its just that people with higher educations lean democratic..
  
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- Swimming-with-the-Sharks
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 6:32pm
  @VAMAN: That’s a pretty broad brush you are using. Is it purposefully bent that angle to make religious people look like hicks?
  
  I’m originally from Utah. Let’s test your statement as it relates to my state (one of the most religious).
  
  * Lower level of educated people? Nope. Its very high. A good portion of the population speak more than one language too.
  
  * Obese people? Every state as a few. Utah is one of the healthier states.
  
  * Literacy? Goes up there with education. Virtually non existent unless you want to count illegal aliens and kids six years old and under.
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 8:22pm
  keaton- really Keaton? You don’t think… you… know… maybe… all those liberal professors polluting the young students. While college students are technically adults, we (I say we because I’m in college) are still susceptible to strong liberal influence if you go to an atheist liberal school.
  
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- Nlitend1
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:47pm
  @DLV
  you wanted proof that republican states take more than they pay…google ‘red state welfare’, there are 50+ sites for you to pick from that show the chart. I’d look at the fact checker website in case you have any doubts that it is propaganda. You could also check the government statistics that are referenced in small type at the bottom of the chart.
  On your point about indoctrination…I happen to be a professor when I’m not writing, and I have opinions. I acknowledge that some professors share their opinions more than others and a lot of them have left leaning values. As a practice, I don’t share my opinions very often and when I do, I emphasize that it is merely my opinion. Instead, I like to take the side less taken and help my students think critically. As it turns out, the other, usually unpopular side tends to have a lot of validity to it. I teach poli sci, criminal justice, and philosophy at a university, so a big part of my job is to teach critical thinking skills and how to form an opinion…absolutely zero part of my job is to teach them what opinions to have. If that was my job, I would fail 99% of the time. I don’t think all of you people who cry indoctrination understand understand anything about it. Maybe you think that my authority gives me special abilities and students are incapable of free thought, but you probably think that because you didn’t go to college or…you freely chose to believe someone who told you that’s what happens. There is
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 12:26am
  NL- well when I googled red welfare states a lot of liberal websites came up. However, there was not a lot of government statistics. Even so, plenty of people in the south are Rhinos Republicans like Lindsey Graham who I have little respect for. I’m more conservative libertarian and I would fight for not having my state getting so much federal aid and I like to practice what I preach. The funny thing is I live in Massachusetts so am far away from the south but I can really tell you Massachusetts lives up to its liberal name. There are plenty of taxes, government intrusion, and people living off welfare. So what I see and what I read, well, they are two different things.
  
  “On your point about indoctrination…”
  
  Well good, I’m glad you’re not like the rest. At my school professors don’t indoctrinate, in fact, I love nearly all of them. What I meant was of all the stories that I hear all over the place. I’ve heard of conservative christian people coming back flaming progressives out of college. I’ve heard of professors who give students Fs because they gave conservative viewpoints or point out Christians and demonize them. There was just an article the other day here on the blaze about a Christian group being banned from campus because they had its members proclaim their belief in Christ. Literally, there are thousands of examples I could come up with. I remember R.C. Sproul telling about his time in college and how he was condemned for being Christian. On and on.
  
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- Nlitend1
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 1:19am
  @DLV
  Interesting reply, thank you for not calling me names. Here is a link to that information: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jan/26/blog-posting/red-state-socialism-graphic-says-gop-leaning-state/
  
  Your stories of indoctrination are sad, although I’m glad you haven’t experienced it…yet. The thing is, professors have some power, and some discretion on how they exercise it. Some will institute a harsh attendance policy and others may have sex with a coed or two. Nevertheless, we are taught ethics in preparation for this job and there aren’t any instances where ‘opinion grading’ is seen as an acceptable practice among profs. Also, there are remedies for when profs do something unethical to protect students from unfair practices. Finally, profs care surprisingly little about what you think. We are usually far more concerned about publications and gaining tenure. If anything, not enough profs care about student opinions. Whatever examples you have, I suspect you either heard 1 opinionated side of the story, or your friends were picked on for crazy blazy answers that are only acceptable speech on this site. But, maybe it happened and those profs were wrong. Maybe you should consider all of the other jobs that have power and discretion (police/execs/athletes/priests/etc.). Of all the possible unethical stuff that occurs, somehow we are worst and picked on the most. Wow, we tend to be the most liberal too, what a coincidence.
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 1:38am
  NL- here is an example that showed up on the Blaze.
  
  http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/15/debunking-the-progressive-case-in-favor-of-abandoning-the-constitution/#comment-4906832
  
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- Lord_Frostwind
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 4:35am
  You know Vaman, I’ve always listened to people babel incessantly about how well educated they are. Yet, somehow most of those people still end up working the same jobs as the less educated people, but have significantly more debt. And based on what I have seen around many college campuses, I’m not so sure if all that education is really accomplishing anything for most of our students, other than racking up the bills.
  
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- DoseofReality
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 8:24am
  Lord – it doesnt take but a quick google search to show you the stats on how much more on avergae a college educated person makes than a high school only education.
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 10:15am
  Dose is right Lord but many college graduates are idiots in a different way…
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 10:27am
  NL- “‘opinion grading”
  I’m sure that’s the case for many, and the base for professors but like so many others in different positions being ethical flies out the window even if it’s part of their job. Like with many things, being professors can start off with good intentions like being ethical, but over time that can fade away and if people have an agenda to push, they will ignore ethics entirely. The real problem is when the school administration officials don’t care about what these professors do.
  
  “Finally, profs care surprisingly little about what you think”
  Maybe not, but if you’re a progressive professor and you have influence over an entire generation of young minds and you want to change this “conservative country” you find disgusting, what better way to do it than use your classroom time to hammer progressive ideals. Just another example, there was story here not too long ago about a professor who did this pornography class and made students tell their sexual fantasies out loud or in writing or else risk failing. His ethics were non-existent. Honestly, it’s like seeing a 100 bucks on a table that you know belongs to someone. How many people would leave it alone because it’s ethical? My guess, very few.
  
  Whatever examples you have, I suspect you either heard 1 opinionated side of the story, or your friends were picked on for crazy blazy answers that are only acceptable speech on this site.”
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- DLV
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 10:36am
  The stories I have heard are from some friends and some online. Personally, I think you guys underestimate the power you have. Students respect and many professors know that, and they take advantage being the humans they are. The theologian R.C. Sproul story I mentioned (granted this was when he was in college a new christian. He is old now) was pretty much his professor targeting him purely for being a Christian. She knew it and just slammed him in class. I even had a slight run in when I was in high school. Granted high school teachers and profs are on different levels, but you get the idea. She was an atheist liberal English teacher, one of my favorites, but still. I wrote a paper on how Barack Obama was a socialist, and you could tell it literally tore her up inside but I give her props for putting that aside and then she gave me an A. Even still, she used class time to spread her liberal atheist agenda demonizing anyone who didn’t agree with gay marriage more or less calling them nazis etc. But like I said, if people were giving lazy answers I can respect the professor for hammering them, when the student makes a well thought out conservative argument and gets an F, I have an issue. Like I said, there are thousands of stories like this and it’s sad. Why this nation is radically different than hte way it was a few decades ago. Why? Because of our educational systems. When you want an ideology pushed, you target education always always always and that’s what we see now.
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 5:08pm
  DLV – you ever think that the “indoctrination” you are talking about is just a lack of constant Christian indoctrination? I mean in what classes are people being indoctrinated? Math? Accounting? The voluntary philosophy classes you choose to take? The voluntary theologies? No I really want you to explain this. Every college worth going to I ever heard of requires X amount of philosophy or theology classes, but you get to CHOOSE which ones, so they’re not indoctrinating you into anything. College is a time when you are supposed to think and be exposed to new things and new ways of thought. Going to the same church listening to the same sermons is not healthy and no way to grow intellectually.
  
  After all, if your “truths” are so certain, they have nothing to fear from a challenge, will they? So tell me, how exactly is anybody “indoctrinating” the college students.
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 7:28pm
  Freedom- except for the fact Christian indoctrination was never a problem at any point in this country’s history. When christians tried to force people to believe exactly how they wanted, like the puritans, people moved away. Then of course the constitution came along and well no public schools can run according to christian indoctrination so we are left to progressive indoctrination since it isn’t a religion just an ideology.
  
  The voluntary philosophy classes you choose to take? ”
  
  You should know in college people have cores. This includes philosophy most of the time. My friend goes to UMASS Lowell, philosophy was required even though he was an engineering major. Philosophy would be one of the prime classes for progressive indoctrination since progressivism is a philosophy on living. There are also science classes that are huge on this, ethics, which again my friend had to take ethics as well. Come on try to keep up.
  “but you get to CHOOSE which ones”
  Again, just off the top of my head, my friend didn’t get to choose, there was just philosophy. There wasn’t progressive philosophy and conservative philosophy, there was just philosophy. and the reports come in about philosophy classes and the like teaching progressive ideology. I already told you numerous examples above of stories where teachers hammer progressivism and condemn conservatives. Cont.
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 7:35pm
  College is a time when you are supposed to think and be exposed to new things and new ways of thought.”
  
  Mmm not anymore unfortunately, maybe at one point. If you want another story of the dozens I have, I’ll tell it. My friend’s dad said when he was in college, (he was a conservative by the way) he wrote a well researched paper explaining conservative points/ideology. The professor handed it back with a C I believe with no comments on what he didn’t do enough of like explaining. He just condemned the conservative viewpoint. But he was allowed to “change his mind” and re-write it if he wished. So as an experiment my friend’s dad took it did a half assed job on why progressive ideology is so great and got an A. Okay, do you get it? There are hundreds of these stories and if you don’t hear them you have your head in the sand. Ivy ;league colleges are among the worst culprits of these. Another example, is that professor who wants to ban the constitution. He is constitution professor and he wants to ban it. Unbelievable.
  
  Going to the same church listening to the same sermons is not healthy and no way to grow intellectually.”
  You clearly don’t understand church. This is not the goal of a true church. Come back and try again. By the way Christians have lively discussions on theology all the time which helps us grow in our faith.
  Lastly
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 7:37pm
  “After all, if your “truths” are so certain, they have nothing to fear from a challenge, will they?”
  If they are lukewarm christians or young adults who just don’t care one way or the other (I had plenty in my high school) they will be tremendously affected. Progressive indoctrination goes beyond just Christians, but the nations youth in general.
  
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- blamb61
  Posted on February 16, 2013 at 1:03pm
  One reason Utah is very religious is due to the Mormon population there. Of course Utah has very religious people of other Denominations as well. As far as the Mormons go (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints), their education level is above the general US population. And if you don’t like my writing, I’m an engineer and not an English major (Mormon and living in Utah also).
  
  http://www.fairlds.org/authors/gordon-scott/education-scholarship-and-mormonism
  
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aproudinfidel
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 4:54pm
Just as we thought…libs don’t like God.

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- JRook
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 5:13pm
  Hmmm and I would think faith based folks like yourself would indicate that only God should or could determine how deep ones faith or spiritual commitment was. If in fact the correct representation is that it is a personal relationship with JC. Perhaps many choose to keep it just that, personal.
- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 11:46am
  “Perhaps many choose to keep it just that, personal.”
  
  Except if they did, they would know that Jesus last commandment to us was to “Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.” Kind of hampers that whole keeping it personal thing.
  
  If you would like any further biblical education, I would be more than happy to help.
  
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SquidVetOhio
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 4:46pm
Vermont sucks. LOL

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- 22AUTOMATIC
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 5:44pm
  Christianity is growing faster than any other religion on the planet and has been for most of the past 250+ years. It is very exciting to see what missionaries and evangelicals are doing around the world. A religion where you have free will as to whether or not you accept Jesus is growing faster, by leaps & bounds, than religions where you are forced to be a part of it or risk death. I just watched a special from a sold out stadium in Egypt (70,000 plus)- the gathering together of Egyptian Christians singing praise and worship for hours to Jesus – it was an awesome sight. China now has more Christians than the U.S has population! Unfortunately, there are still 800m+ non Christians (Atheists/Buddists) there but it is on pace to change that country for the positive for the first time.
  
  As for the U.S, only progressive phony marxist churches are losing members at a record rate. Evangelicals, Catholics, Baptist etc churches are doing very well. The media always fails to mention the difference and lumps the stats in together with each other. Read the chapter in Beck’s book “Cowards” on Jim Wallis’ Soros funded “counter churches,” it is really an eye opener. Also, I highly suggest the book “Megashift” (see link below)
  
  http://superstore.wnd.com/books/Megashift-paperback
  
  Christianity cannot go beyond the year 2087 so Jesus MUST return sometime in the next 74 years. A child born today that lives a normal lifespan will 100% see it all go down (or Atheist
  
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- NikkiTrace
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 7:51pm
  Can’t argue with that… I wish I had the money to get out of Vermont…
  
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DanielH
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 4:10pm
Thought DC would be higher with all the worship of Obama going on.

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- JGraham III
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 4:40pm
  I am from the ‘peoples republic of Washington’, and I submit that this state is in fact very religious…if one considers that worship of good ol’ Ma Nature qualifies one as being religious. The east part of the state is much more Christian than the west part which perhaps explains why we more frequently vote conservative than the west part. Seattle is the tail that wags the dog, but when the stuff hits the fan Seattleites are going to find that rest of the state ain’t a-gonna be too interested in rushing to their aid. There is a price to be paid for being stupid; we may qualify as rubes to them but we are not stupid; we know who our Father is.
  
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- Nlitend1
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 12:24am
  @JGraham
  I don’t like most of you blaze people because of comments like yours. I don’t like you. Still, if ‘stuff’ hits the fan, as you say, I cannot imagine a situation where I wouldn’t try to help you or my neighbors or whoever needed help. There may be a price to be paid for stupidity, but you are apparently very stupid and the price appears to be one where you are stricken with a callous, cold-hearted intolerance that makes you imagine scenarios where you can be hateful to those whom you disagree with. I don’t like you Mr. or Mrs. Graham, but I don’t hate you. I can’t imagine anything you could do or say to make me hate you.
  
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- JGraham III
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 12:04pm
  @ Nlitend1
  Normally I wouldn’t waste my time responding to a response but since you allege my ‘stupidity’ there you have it. I took the time to read your other posts on this thread and saw in one that you disdain name calling, and yet you suggest that I am cold hearted and stupid… My my such cold hearted stupid words from Professor Enlightened One. Not that you would care or even acknowledge the validity of such but I actually have two college degrees, but thankfully I got some common sense somewhere along the way so at least I can claim to be a somewhat balanced person. And no I am not cold hearted nor stupid; as it is said “to know me is to love me”. You don’t know me, so do us both a favor and stop making wild assertions. That would be like me saying that because you teach philosophy that you apparently know what is wrong with everything but know nothing about anything that is good or right…right?
  Lastly because of other statements you made on this thread, I would call in question your motivation for going to church and yet not accepting Jesus Christ. While I readily acknowledge this is nothing new in America, it seems to me, stupid as I may be, that you are actually trying to turn people away from Him. Shame on you! One of the wisest ‘philosophers’ of all time said once. “the light of the body is the eye…but if your eye be evil, your whole body is full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you be darkness, how great is that darkness.”
  
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Cavallo
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 4:07pm
We need to divide up the United States into three or four separate countries. NorthEast, South/Midwest, Central, and West coast. Then we would have less of these internal squabbles, especially if immigration was firm, but easily negotiated.

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- SamIamTwo
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 4:17pm
  You’ll have to set aside some money for those of us stuck in the liberal broken states. I’ll start a begging web page. NOT. LOL
  
  I like GB’s ideal…one family at a time…and in WA State the people I talk too are pissed that the man got re-elected. I’ve not meet one so far that has taken issue with my question. And that straw poll was taken at wallyworld and my hood. I’m surprised but yet guarded about my life. LOL
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 5:12pm
  Cavallo- sometimes I feel like I agree with you. This country is getting to the point where depending on where you are from you are 180 degrees opposite from the north or south.
  
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- UnreconstructedLibertarian
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 8:25pm
  Cavallo, Agreed.
  
  The sooner I can dis-associate with the likes of the overly self-righteous yankee bastards on here – the better. They don’t like us – southerners. We don’t like them – yankee new englanders. We should have never been joined by any un-holy agreement whatsoever.
  
  At this point, I believe the only thing we can agree on – is to disassociate completely. Since they think we’re the “takers” – please let us go. I can think of no logical reason this charade should be continued. Since they think we’re useless – I can imagine no reason they don’t immediately join us in at least one item – dissolve the Union. Let us go. We’ll be just fine without them, and no doubt they’ll be just fine without us.
  
  At least we’d finally see which system is better. This co-mingling has done nothing but pollute either region’s approach to self-determination and whatever each of us would define that to be.
  
  I want to be free and realize that at present, I am NOT.
  
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- RealLiibertarian
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 9:12pm
  Unreconstructed- I fail to see how freedom and religion go together. They are the antithesis of each other. You claim to be libertarian, but do you support the rights of gays, of womens choice, of the people to read and see whatever they wish? All those are part of the libertarian mindset, and opposed by the religious. Libertarians don’t care what other people do, they mind their own business.
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 12:29am
  Real- libertarians come in different shapes in sizes. You described being a liberal libertarian. Ron Paul is a conservative libertarian. Just because I don’t recognize a woman’s right to murder her own baby doesn’t mean I’m not a libertarian. I recognize them as humans with rights. By the way, religion and libertarianism can go great together. Many of our founders were classical liberals and Christians.
  
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- Nlitend1
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 1:54am
  I go to church about 2-3 times a week. Sometimes I volunteer for their camps and I will occasionally help with the daycare duties. I enjoy the bible study sessions and the community of church. My mother is anglican and now that I live in the same city as her, I go to her church. Does that make me a Christian? The founders went to church and were raised christian, but many were adamant that they didn’t subscribe to the christian faith. Personally, even though my mother converted, I am jewish, I don’t believe christ was a savior, and in bible study class I like to point out hypocritical passages in the scriptures. I think christianity is good institution, so basically I disagree with guys like Thomas Jefferson who didn’t.
  
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Saff SGT
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 4:04pm
Jesus will have a lot to clean up when he gets here

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- PatMcGroyn
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 4:33pm
  Not really, just head for the blue states and start “bustin’ chaff”.
  
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- Jenny Lind
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 4:35pm
  I think it will be rubble removal.
  
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- skimmer57
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 6:05pm
  Jenny– I see Utah is no.2 on the list but no.1 for the down load of pornography. I wonder why that is? The Mormons sure like to portray themselves as such a Holy people. I guess they really like their smut!
  
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- loneindividual
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 7:06pm
  skimmer57
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 6:05pm
  
  Jenny– I see Utah is no.2 on the list but no.1 for the down load of pornography. I wonder why that is? The Mormons sure like to portray themselves as such a Holy people. I guess they really like their smut!
  
  It’s #1 cuz of me. ;) lol, I kid
  
  Actually, Retail Porn is really hard to come by in Utah. That’s why Online Porn is more common.
  
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reynols
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 4:03pm
What is interesting about this is if you compare it to a map of the 2012 election results, http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/#/President/2012/, the patterns are quite similar.

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Weiners Wiener
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 4:03pm
No surprise. The top 10 most religious states voted republican in the 2012 presidential election, and the top 9 least religious states voted democrat.

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- CanadaRocks
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 4:51pm
  No surprise that the 10 most teligious states are also ten of the least educated.
- PoliticallyRightUs.Com
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 5:03pm
  Hey @CanadaRocks, Brainwashed education does not count!!!
  
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- le misanthrope
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 5:09pm
  Hey Canada rocks, what is teligious? You are so much more edumacated than I am (obviously) so please give me the definition. BTW, my son spent some time in Ontario, great nanny state you have going there, I’m not sure what the best part is, maybe that teenage girls who don’t like their parents bossing them around just have to get pregnant. Then the govt. (taxpayers) give them just enough money to live in squalor, not get educated, not raise educated children, not have any skills to take care of themselves……Yeah Canadarocks.
  
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- DZ-015
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 5:33pm
  CANADASCROCK: No surprise that five of the ten least religious states are on the Canadian border, eh?
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 5:38pm
  Someone please tell me how northern education is “indoctrination.” Isn’t going to a building every Sunday and having a robed speaker read from your holy book tell you about what laws you need to obey in order to prevent you from eternal suffering more of an example of indoctrination?
  
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- CanadaRocks
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 5:39pm
  Its pretty sad when your only defence is that i made a typo. You must be from one of those religious states. And it goes to show that the intelligence is rock bottom in the south an gets smarter the gigher up you go.
- College_Conservative
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 5:39pm
  –Canada Rocks
  
  You must also look into what the statistic defines as being “educated.” If being “educated” means being able to mindlessly ace the tests designed by the state and national level education departments, then yes they are the least educated. Meanwhile, when defined as being able to question the status quo, doing your own researching, and having your own mind and opinions, I would say that your “Red” states are much better off.
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 5:49pm
  freedomlover- if you really can’t see the indoctrination that’s going on I feel for you.
  
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- CanadaRocks
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 5:58pm
  Oh yes the southern red states. Those are the ones where they are takers. They receive more than any other states as far as gov assistance goes. And what kind of employment and future can you build for yourself and family with no education other than fixing my toilet or a mcjob flipping burgers. You can call higher education whatever you want but it is funny that the least educated among americans live in these states and are the poorest.
- Max jones
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 6:26pm
  DLV….canadarocks can’t see, because the damage has already been done to him…Really difficult, if not impossible, to get that mark off, once you have built your lifestyle around its worldly benefits.
  Man was able to domesticate canines, because they could bribe them with food, eventually making dogs dependent and perpetually puppies. Its called “neoteny” Infantile, is a synonym. This also describes the nanny state’s intentions for the populace….domestication….perpetual dependence. Slavery is a synonym.
  
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- Keatonc333
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 6:31pm
  Canada is right! if you compare the top ten most religious states.. to the ten states most dependent on government funds.. its pretty much identical!
- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 11:40am
  @KEATONC
  
  Let me blow up that stupid argument. Look at where the government parasites in those states live… IN BLUE COUNTIES.
  
  Nice try genius. Want to go again?
  
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- BenKatz
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 5:42pm
  Such unearned pride. Your not nearly as smart as you portray yourself to be junior
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on February 15, 2013 at 11:13pm
  Keaton – Is that why CA has over 33% of the nation’s welfare recipients yet only 12% of the nation’s population. Typical stupid Marxist.
  
  Freedomhater – Is that why you Marxists hate religion and believe that it’s killed more people than anything else or that rich white Christian heterosexual males are the cause for all of the world’s ills.
  
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EVANROOD
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 3:58pm
Wouldn’t have necessarily expected Nevada in that mix, but then again, they do have Las Vegas, and the small minded Harry Reid!

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- Weiners Wiener
  Posted on February 14, 2013 at 4:06pm
  Most of Nevada’s population comes from two cities: Reno in the north and Las Vegas in the south. Reno has a number of liberal transplants from northern California while half of Las Vegas came from liberal southern California. Throw in all the illegal aliens working in the casino industry, and they’ve managed to capture (and destroy) the state.
  
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 3:58pm
Interesting.

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