High School Goalie Quits Team in Most Dramatic Way: Scores on His Own Team, Flips Off Coaches, Then Leaves
There are epic ways to quit your job. Then there are epic ways to quit a team. Austin Krause just showed the world one way to do the latter.
Krause is (or was) a senior goalie at Farmington High School in Minnesota. It was senior night on Tuesday, and Krause got the start — a rarer occurence this season. And that was part of the problem: Krause had been losing playing time this season to a sophomore he’s not too fond of.
We’ll let him tell you in his own words what he decided to do to make his point (courtesy of the Farmington Independent):
“They played this sophomore goalie for the starter, he was terrible, I would try and talk to the coaches about this and tell them I want playing time but they never really listen to me or gave me a chance to show them that I’m a better goalie but still wouldn’t trust me so I had it it with I asked a few of my players if they care if I did it and they didn’t care they thought it would be funny so at the third period they dumped it in I stopped it put in my net started to skate off then flicked the coaches not the team the coaches then I saluted them then got off.”
And of course it was caught on video:
It seems Krause does have the support of some of the parents. One anonymous one told the Independent that a group of older players have been demoted to make way for some freshmen.
“Krause has been the goalie for the ‘A’ team all through youth hockey and put in so many hours and been a great goalie and never caused any trouble,†the parent said. “He got the shaft and got it taken away from him.
“It’s nothing against the younger kids, it’s not their decision. They’re good players, but they’re not any better than the juniors and seniors they’re replacing.â€
By the way, the whole ​I quit ​stunt was costly. The own-goal came with 3:13 remaining in the third period and tied the game 2-2. The other team then scored about a minute later an won 3-2.
As for the district, they released this statement:
“This action has had a immediate and dramatic impact on the Farmington boys hockey team and the entire Farmington community. The district is taking the proper steps to investigate the incident and will take appropriate action in line with school policy. Student privacy regulations prevent any further release of information regarding this matter.
“Our focus is on in supporting the players and coaches in our hockey program and the successful completion of their season.â€
(H/T: Deadspin)
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wingedwolf
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:17amWhat if he’s telling the truth and he has been going through the proper channels and is standing up because he is sick and disgusted with the left’s “everybody gets a trophy” policy? What if the kid was working toward a sports scholarship this coaching staff was preventing him from qualifying for? He doesn’t sound “entitled” to me at all, he sounds as disgusted and fed up as I would think the majority of us are with the way the left has devolved this country, especially the educational system.
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SamIamTwo
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:28amSigh, and you think the head hunter in the grand stand did not call the coach to inform him that he would like to take a look at this guy play, eh?
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wingedwolf
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:51amIf there were a head hunter in the crowd and he never saw the kid play, why would he ask? And what, if any, obligation would the coach have to oblige the head hunter? I am not clairvoyant, so I don’t know if there was such a person in attendance. However, I am delighted that the kid stood up for himself instead of settling blindly into the mediocrity the left loves so well. Standing up and being counted for his principles is something the left doesn’t do. Good job kid.
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muffythetuffy
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:53amDISCRIMINATION AGAINST OUR HIGHLY QUALIFIED WHITE SONS AND DAUGHTERS IS BEING DONE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY
We should fight for our children, no one else will. White people everywhere should declare a national strike everywhere and stay home on a selected day like Wednesday to show this country who really runs things and how angry we are. Tell your employer not to pay you for this day so it hurts the government with lost income taxes.
ARE YOU ANGRY LIKE ME?
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J@ck_KvK
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:54amExactly!
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 12:12pmToo many of you are equating this kid’s actions with a principled stand against oppression. The “John Galt” moment if you will.
What this kid did was quit the team because he was talented, worked hard, and felt that playing time was his due. No one here knows what the coaches motivations were. Maybe they were under siege by parents to play their little Johnny.
Maybe the coaches were about to lose their talented senior corps to graduation and wanted to get the freshman and sophmores some playing time.
It really doesn’t matter, because the coaches motivations are unimportant.
What is important is how this kid takes bad news, unfairness, foolishness and imcompetence from those in authority over him. That’s a hard lesson in life for everyone. It doesn’t make you a tool or slave to the state to stoically handle unfairness. Many times it is your duty to do so.
If the kid respectfully quit, and took from his coaches his awesome talents as a goalie, not letting them use his skills to furthur their corrupt system, and then began a campaign to end this Hockey Tyranny over his talented friends, then that would be a John Galt Moment.
What he did is called a 7th Calvary Moment. He killed his Hockey Career gloriously.
If that’s the leader you want to follow, then go enjoy your Little Big Horn.
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sooner12
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 12:15pmWingedwolf…….i agree with your post. It is obvious, by many of the posts here, there are parents posting on this site that have a son or daughter who possesses just average capabilities but are of the opinion that their child gets to play just as much as the talented kids. Fortunately I grew up at a time when only the winners get the trophy.
Fellow players KNOW who are the good players. The player in question felt that he was a better player, had gone to some of the other players with his plan and he had gone to the coaches with his issues. (Apparently they didn’t tell him he was an inferior player to the under classman.)
So, what does one do? I don’t think I know what I would have done if I were in this student’s position, since I never have been in such position. But I give him an A+ for his ingenuity. He’s brought attention to an obvious problem, which has now brought the attention of the District. I hope the Blaze does an update to this story.
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IndyGuy
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 1:12pmA Johnny Paycheck song comes to mind…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPrSVkTRb24
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Kalidor835
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 1:36pmI played goal tender through youth and junior hockey, if he were being scouted the coaches would have known and he’d have gotten his playing time. The fact that he was splitting time with an underclassman tells me he was on no one’s radar. Scouting for the college ranks starts in youth hockey and the NHL starts in junior, or high school depending on area, hockey or younger depending on the player. Unlike the NBA and NFL the NHL has no college requirements for its players. This kid’s actions were stupid, immature, and detrimental to the team. I wouldn’t want him in my locker room.
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hypnos
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 2:28pmYou can get frustrated about your situation he handled like a immature child not quite ready for adulthood,maybe he will learn from this idiotic mistake.
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The_Jerk
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 2:48pmRANGER1965, a point that you miss is, sometimes it takes a show in order to call attention to bias, unfairness, abuse. Look, I can assure you that this is the talk of that town. And, rest assured, his actions secured an investigation into his claims. So, in my humble opinion, he’s correct and you are not.
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dietrdeb
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 2:52pmActions have consequences. This coach thought that he could act with impunity, and some teenager showed him that he had a breaking points. Kids aren’t robots or slaves to the whims of a coach. Good for him!
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FROTHYDISCHARGE
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 3:01pmyou people are wacked. this kid probably sucked and he’s a big cry baby. boo hoo . was he going to play in the NHL? now he’s forever know as a jaqueass.
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neocon1
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 3:23pmRanger……..Im with you.
My 3 boys all played baseball, soccer, football.
Some had good coaches, some bad…..they had to suck it up and play when their time came.
My youngest son got screwed by a coach in the majors when he got drafted to a team by a coach who was stacking his team. He was wanted by 3 other teams but this one got him then sat him on the bench so his son could play but no other team could have his talent. He wanted to quit and I told him NO WAY, life may not be fair but that is life.
He stuck it out for the season and did not play again…..
Semper Fi
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saranda
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 3:51pmThe whiner got beat out of the starter spot by a “kid” who has put up better stats (both GAA and SV%) with only about 40 minutes more playing time (about two periods for the hockey challenged) over a shared almost 20 games between them. Happens in sport, happens in life. Methinks he won’t be missed.
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wingedwolf
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 5:26pmSOONER12, I agree with every word. I don’t know what I would have done in his place either, but at least he did SOMETHING. He didn’t stand meekly by like the milquetoasts on the left and apparently a few on the right would while he was being benched in favor of inferior players. I am glad he stood up. That took courage, and also that he talked it over with his teammates says something about him also. People seem to be forgetting he did that, and that they had no problem with it. They didn’t report him to the coach so he could have been stopped from doing it, that tells me he isn’t the only player who feels that way. Good for him.
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JRook
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 5:41pmHe probably is. The is tons written about the problem athlete or problem parent, but nearly enough about the problem, poor, political or just plain bad coach. My son led the team in tackles as a sophomore, was 4th in the state in yards per carry, 2nd. in yards per touch as a junior. He won the NUC midwest high school combine and place in the top 125 on the Nike Sparq rating. As a senior he was poorly positioned and underutilized. So rather than obtain the D1 offers and scholarship he deserved, he has to choose between several D2 offers. He is too disciplined, respectful and classy to make such a drama queen display in public. He’d rather just perform well at a D2 school and wait for his chance to respectfully tell the truth regarding the 2 or 3 coaches responsible when the time comes. Along with my experience in college and his in high school, I would suggest that coaches are wrong as many times as they are right. And many lack the individual, leadership and player development abilities they represent to the team members and parents.
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saranda
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 6:22pmWingedwolf – you play “what if he is telling the truth” while some of us seek the truth. This kid Krause played less than two games in the 2011/12 season http://www.mnhockeyhub.com/stats/team_instance/86235?subseason=46241
The starting spot was not his for the 2012/13 by any stretch except in his own mind . As stated above he lost the starting job to a younger tender with better stats. He is a whiney spoiled brat who had friends willing to support him in this bad decision. As for the parents who supported his assessment of the coaching, is this unusual anywhere in America? Just read all the “my son/daughter was wronged by coaches” posts in these pages.
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turkey13
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 8:41pmThis kid should get a job as a leader in this community. It looks like he is smarter than the coaches. I also think it is neat that they lost. I pulled one of my 3 sons out of a sport because the coach was more concerned about winning rather kids having fun and playing a sport.
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mrspeedwagon
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 9:30pmYou miss the point completly. It’s the new generation of woosiefied brats. It’s “All about Me” Me me me. I, I, I. Mommy Daddy told them how important and “special” they are, their whole lives. Then when things don’t go their way, they “act out”. This country is DOOMED. They have destroyed our next generation. Thank You Public Education
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RabidPatriot
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 9:51pmThis is a different time from when I grew up. He wouldn’t have made it off the ice in one piece. Even his dad would have went out on the ice to beat him unconscious.
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USAMama
Posted on February 15, 2013 at 5:29amI’d have to agree with Ranger and a few others. He may have been passed over, maybe it was a case if “everyone gets a trophy” syndrome so they have to be “fair” and maybe not. Maybe they saw potential in the younger kid and wanted to give him a chance. Either way there is a right way to handle it and a wrong way. In my humble opinion, this was the wrong way. His team lost because of it and to flick off the coaches just shows immaturity and classlessness. If my kid did that, regardless of the situation and even if I thought he were right, I would not be happy with him. I would rather he quit the team respectfully and not in this fashion.
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zorro
Posted on February 15, 2013 at 9:44amWhat’s he going to do when later in life he gets fired for someone with a higher education and more skill? Go on a shooting rampage? This kid is a whiny little punk who thinks way to highly of himself.
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retiredfire
Posted on February 15, 2013 at 1:38pmIf SARANDA is right, this was a kid, who had a inflated sense of his abilities – artificially built self-esteem anyone?
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mlite9
Posted on February 15, 2013 at 4:54pmIt’s never acceptable to behave improperly to highlight other improper behavior, perceived or real – this is what the left does all the time. Or to excuse your actions by pointing to those of others. Perhaps this kid’s teammates ‘supported’ his actions because they knew that’d be all for him, and his cranky self would be gone. Problem solved. Lawlessness and vigilante-ism aren’t separated by very much real estate, only a sliver of difference of opinion.
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glckgrl
Posted on February 15, 2013 at 10:52pmAdd your comments
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Gargent_Furball
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:17amSometimes, Life Is Not Fare .
If you can’t take it in High School , your going to Fail in real life.
It is a Free Country to make your own decisions, and to make your own Goals. Ha.
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Mapache
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 3:10pm…but not you own spelling.
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Girard1974
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 4:51pmAnd neither yours (spelling), Mapache.
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WakingSheep
Posted on February 15, 2013 at 9:15amYous a’lls ar funni.
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StanO360
Posted on February 15, 2013 at 2:39pmEhh, not approving of what he did. But high school sports have become a joke. Starting at large schools often has more to do with boosters children, coaches aspirations, etc.
The coach is probably just planning for the future at the expense of the current season. Which to me is wrong. High school sports is about giving kids athletic experiences, winning, losing, getting along, practicing, playing hard, etc. It’s not about promoting a coach’s career or about the tiny percentage that may get a scholarship.
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:16amThen, after being lauded by his buddies for his bold move, life will go on. He will graduate High School and enter the “Real” world…A place that is so unfair that it makes the actions of his coaches look like child’s play.
So how does this young man dramatically quit the “Real World” team?
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:25amWell, he told them off for the right reasons. As somebody else noted, based on the description of why he did it, it was a John Galt type action, not some brat kid with no talent being mad that he couldn’t earn a spot on the ice. He was being excluded despite being highly talented and even the fans noted his high degree of talent and dedication.
Who knows, maybe it is men like him who are tired of being punished for having talent and competence that will lead our lethargic “don’t be impolite” movement out of our suicidal attitude of meekness and “be polite at all costs”.
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The_Jerk
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:29amTake it head on, just like he did.
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Mustangrider
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:42amYou’ve heard of Welfare right?
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:46am@GHOSTOFJEFFERSON
Yeah, this kid is our next Washington, Rand’s Galt born among us. Pftt!!
Apples and Oranges to the 12th power.
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so3
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 12:34pmThe guy stood up for what he believed, period. HE has an existential right to do so; by your screen name you apparently live under the belief that you must do what you are told, no matter whether you like it so that you may get ahead. How so very socialist of you. Think about it Ranger…he had a belief…he acted on his belief, perhaps to his own detriment…that takes B**ls son. Try doing this…be a whipping boy and a ‘yes’ man for 25 years and have everything other people feel you are entitled to….then wake up one day and realize you have just wasted the past 25 years trying to make other people happy. This kid got it right…period. If a coach or lousy scout doesn’t get this to hell with them. Case and point….my nephew was a top little league player, Babe Ruth league, then on to high-school etc. Was HEAVILY recruited to many colleges, so many that those around him simply could not believe it…we are talking FULL ride scholarships…what did he do??? HE quit baseball and decided to go to a college no one knew he was looking at…he used his scholastic skills rather than his athletic skills, why? Because he realized in baseball, he was making everyone else happy, but not himself. He made a decisions that seemed very foolish at the time, but now works upstairs at a farm team for a MLB team..and he is very happy, graduated near top of his class in college. This is called perspicacity and not letting other’s desires get in the way of your own. You should take a h
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 1:05pm@SO3
What your nephew did IS NOT! case in point to what this young man did. The story pleases you in an emotionally gratifying “Take this job and shove it” way.
But you’re not thinking clearly. No one disputes his right to screw over his team in protest, and leave dramatically. It doesn’t make what he did smart, courageous, or anything else. And what he did wasn’t.
Too many people that post on this site are just itchin’ for this exact kind of drama. We have martyr’s aplenty ready and waiting to lay down their lives, exit dramatically, and let the other team win.
What we seem to be lacking is people that believe we CAN win.
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DannyBoy13
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 1:10pmBy becoming a progressive zombie.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 1:49pmOk Ranger, you’re right. If you’re talented and constantly back burnered for PC reasons or so that social connections get incompetence promoted before you, the best path is to be silent, sit down and fade away.
But at least some day, in the future, he can attend a Tea Party rally where it’s noted how polite everybody is and how well they clean up after themselves, while achieving no actual goals of reducing the size of government.
The Right has lost its fiery soul of rebellion to something appearing to be a nearly church lady like preoccupation with being perceived as nice and never making waves. You know, because it’s important that others think we’re prim, proper and nice. It’s no wonder the Left is steam rolling the Right at every turn. They’ll defy you at every turn, while you folks wait for the proper moment to sign a properly worded, gentle petition that gets filed neatly in an office somewhere, then you go home and have a quiet evening reading by the fireside.
The founders I think would be an “unruly, disrespectful, rebellious, trouble making, stupid, selfish” lot to many on the Right these days.
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 6:19pmFiery soul of rebellion eh?
There is plenty of truth in what you say, but of all the things that’s easy to come by, it’s “fiery souls of rebellion.”
What’s hard are people who can control themselves, who are self disciplined and focused. Who can take their “Fiery Souls of Rebellion” analyze a situation correctly and precisely hit what needs to be hit and restrain themselves when the situation calls for restraint.
Freedom is the heritage for people such as those, they deserve freedom because they are people who rule themselves, are considerate of others, and are disciplined.
If you want to see the Fiery Soul of Rebellion look at OWS and Black Bloc.
Give me the few that play Axis and Allies, you can have the many that play Twister.
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mlite9
Posted on February 15, 2013 at 5:15pmRanger, there are those who thirst for action having grown up with video games and few books, where the next thrill comes at any cost. By post-OWS ‘adulthood’ they are too far gone to have regrets, only misshapen tattoos and no accomplishments of measure. Pity. Better that than daddy suing the school on behalf of his darling…
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Cavallo
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:13amEh.. I’m torn. The vulgar gesture is likely what will get him in trouble. He cleared his action with his teammates first to make sure they wouldn’t feel betrayed. I think a bow and a salute would have been more acceptable and tasteful than flipping off the coaches and gotten the message across just as well. Not to mention there would be zero grounds to do anything to him. They’ll likely get him for the rude gesture as a vehicle for punishing him for throwing the game.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:22amDo you know where the middle finger gesture came from? It was an act of defiance that the English created, in defiance of the French who took great pleasure in cutting off the index and middle finger of English longbowmen in order to take away their fighting effectiveness. The English longbowmen responded by showing the French, on the field of battle, that they still had these two fingers. The two became a display of one over time, and then Americans applied our own words “flipping the bird” to it, and the rest is history. It is not really “eff you!” so much as “I defy you and can still fight you”.
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muffythetuffy
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:26amWAS THE FRESHMAN PLAYER BLACK OR HISPANIC?
The only reason this would be done to a white player is race.
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Stoic one
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:42amIF this young man was an eloquent and respectful in presenting his case throughout the season; THEN his statement makes perfect sense.
Note that at the end of the written article, the school is doing an investigation into the coaching policies. This problem was not unknown in the community at large.
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Dudley Do-Right
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 12:20pmI don’t think race had anything to do with it. I think the coach was playing his younger players thinking about the teams future seasons to the detriment of his older players who may never have a chance to play high school hockey again. I think it’s wrong myself, it’s a high school hockey game. Let the senior play, the sophomore has two more seasons to play. You’d think this was the Stanley Cup Playoff’s for crying out loud.
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Stoic one
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:12amI read the article and it seems to me that this was a John Galt moment.
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elfman
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:36am@ Stoic one – John Galt didn’t act to sabotage anything he didn’t own or make obscene gestures in public. Anything this boy might have been entitled to is overshadowed by his vindictive childish tantrum.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:44am@Elfman
Actually, yeah, John Galt did act to stop what wasn’t his. He did so by convincing the strong to leave their jobs, in companies that he, John Galt, did not work for. So yeah, in fact he did stop the motor of the world, which if I recall, he didn’t own.
Selfish tantrum? Try being the most talented and being punished for it all the time, tell me you’d be polite and just accept it. Well, maybe you would, that’s the big problem with “our” side, we’re so damned determine to be seen as “nice” that we’ve lost our fighting spirit. Be nice all you want, be polite, I’m done with it. This young man did precisely what was called for. Good on him.
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RANGER1965
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:51amWell said Elfman.
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Stoic one
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 12:16pmELF
John Galt took down the country that he did not own. And yea – you can get so fed up with CRAP you fight back. You may see it as childish; he and his mates saw it as DEFIANCE. Defiance is never pretty by it’s very nature. Sometimes by being VULGAR, you gain attention to the problem and your own subsequent demise. Do you believe he did not THINK about the consequences?
He got the school authorities attention; and he most likely was thrown off the team.
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armyvet1969
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 2:01pm@ Elfman
Maybe John Galt did not directly or actively destroy anything made by anyone else, but Ragnar Djanneskold certainly did so directly with his attacks on shipping interests, etc. Francisco D’Anconia did as well, although he did it indirectly. By destroying that which he had built, he also destroyed those that chose to ride his coattails and leave their destiny up to his expertise and skill.
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Liberal_Christian
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 8:58pmNo this kid was a brat
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:11amIf this is all true, I salute this young man. The strong are being punished now for being strong, for being better. We’re supposed to make way so that the weaker can “feel empowered”. Well, this kid did the right thing, damn it, and he has a lot more balls than many on our supposed side, he stood up and declared to the world “I will not take being shoved aside to make somebody who is not as talented as me feel better”. Good for him. I hope more of the strong and able start doing this. Let the sobbing sallies and nattering hobobbs cry and whine and gnash their teeth at this, I don’t care. It’s time for those with talent to withdraw their consent to being bridled like horses and made to feel like livestock so that the weak and incompetent can feel good about themselves.
Right on young man, you did precisely the correct thing. Well done, sir.
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Silvertruth
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:28amPart of me wants to agree with this action 100% but after thinking about it, there were better ways to make the same point.
The coaches do have to give the up and comers playing time, but good coaches do it when the game is not in question. Either handily winning or handily losing are normal points. To start inexperienced players in critical positions (like goalie) is probably not smart unless the season itself is basically ‘over’.
So this young man may have, indeed, had a good reason for his frustration. If this was the case, then the coaches themselves were not respecting the team and what the young man did was no worse than what the coaches were doing. At that point, huzzah for making it funny and insightful (or would that be inspiteful?)
If that wasn’t the case and the coaches were doing what was acceptable (starting a weaker goalie to get him experienced when the actual game season was already ‘over’) then the young man’s actions are more arrogant and self-serving, not benefitting the team. Now the team won’t have his experience to share with the upcoming goalie, and that will hurt the team.
While we all do some things that make ourselves feel better, it is not always the best thing that should be done at the moment, and usually in these cases, the best we can hope for is that it doesn’t hurt anyone else.
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darkknight91
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:30amI grew up in a school district where the coaches played their favorites at the detriment of the team. It wasn’t about PC but more about who knew who and who was part of the in-crowd. Needless to say, that school district has never won anything or produced any major or minor athletes on the world stage. Roger Clemens went to my junior high school but his parents realized early on he was going to get nowhere there so they moved to Texas where he blossomed and became a superstar. I don’t blame this kid one bit. I guarantee they weren’t playing the younger goalie out of political correctness but because his dad knows someone or he hangs with a certain crowd.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:42amThe story indicates that it wasn’t sharing time, it was that the one sophomore goalie getting the majority of the ice time across games, despite not being as good.
As a father with a son in lacrosse, I see this kind of thing in real life all the time, especially with the middle school and JV, and even in the high school team. It’s understandable, and desirable, to give the up and comers time, clearly, but if you exclude the true talent the majority of the time, you’ll find that the true talent lose interest in being on the team. The only difference between what this kid did, and what the high talent star players I’ve seen in lacrosse do who were benched for being “too good”, is that this one let the world know he wouldn’t sit idle and quietly and “be polite” while he was being minimized to let the less competent play all the time to get their stupid participation trophy.
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Gonzo
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 1:04pmI think your assuming that the anonymous parent and the kid are stating absolute truth vs opinion. Parents can be just as immature as the kids playing the game. Have you been around youth sports much in the last 20 years Ghost? Every kid’s parent these days thinks their kid is a gift to whatever sport they are playing. I could never have done that to my teammates, I know that much.
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Silvertruth
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 1:07pmI didn’t see any indication (or even able to read in any indication) of how the season was going so I couldn’t comment on the wisdom of starting the sophmore other than to say it’s not wise to start a less experinced player if you can still win in the season.
As to favoritism, yup, it exists everywhere. The only way to fight it is to either play it, or ignore it and do your best. Merit may take a while to win over patronage, but it usually does if real comptetition is introduced to the system.
Again, think it’s funny, could’ve been done better, perhaps not feeling any better for the young man, but certainly in a more classy fashion.
Have to agree with Ranger, if he was an ‘aspiring’ goalie for a career, that hope is now dead. In all likelyhood, he didn’t stand a chance and was just a ‘good’ high school goalie and the action was… interesting. At least he can get on with his life after enjoying his fifteen minutes of fame.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 1:53pm@Gonzo
I have a son in high school lacrosse actually. The school has hired an incompetent, favorites playing coach (and I don’t mean he prefers the most talented being on the field) 2 years ago, and the team’s morale is going down the drain, as is their record. Kids are quietly dropping off the team, who are varsity and very skilled. So yeah, I have been around high school sports actually. If you get a hippy dippy coach, this kind of thing happens. Whether it’s favoritism or PC, it’s out there.
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Gonzo
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 3:14pmHey Ghost, I commented after reading your initial comment, should have read further. You know I’m right when I said a bunch of parent and kids think they are way better than they are. And I’ve seen parent in coaches faces over playing time. I’m still betting you wouldn’t want your son to throw a game for his teammates like that, would you?
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kindling
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:11amI remember as a child the saying “It doesn’t matter if you win or loose, it is how you play the game.” Come to think of it they also said “If you can’t be with the one you love, love the one you are with.” The left knew what they were doing when they started that family destroying period in our country. Now look where we are.
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Magyar
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:51amCorrect you are— A nation with millions of whiny unappreciative kids, more single family households than ever and a country on the verge of total chaos… Yup– all according to plan– and WE just sat back and did little to stop it because it didn’t affect us directly.
Yes, now look where we are………………
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kindling
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:07amIt is all about political correctness now. It is about not getting any feelings hurt. It is about creating narcissism. At my children’s school no one has to try out for anything that requires talent anymore. If fact it is so bad the school must now offer the kids a trip to Disneyland to get them to join band, choir, sports or anything that takes hard work and some talent. They can’t be seen as hurting any feelings simply because a child can’t perform. So those with real talent will not bother trying out because they will have to stand next to some kid that has been told how great they are and are truly awful. It is not good for either.
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hologram5
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:17amNo they’re not OFFERING trips to disneyland, WE parents have to pay for it. I paid 900 dollars to send my daughter there with the band who then PLAYED for Disneyland. Seems to me that if they want the school band to play then they should foot some of the bill but no….
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wade56013
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:05amseems like he has a legitimate complaint if he truly was the best goalie on the team.. why not go out with a bang.. its not about participation trophies our generation me. if he is better he should be playing and if he isn’t then he should be sitting.
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Female
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:04amOkay, I support the kids actions. The coach has benched him to build for the future without regard or respect for how hard he worked in hockey. The same thing happened to my daughter, played years of soccer including traveling and played varsity as freshmen in another town. New coach senior year used her in practice making promises of playtime but really to strengthen his “chosen” sophmores, spoke most instructions in spanish, and she sat the bench, including “Senior night” but her team lost all by itself. This guy took a championship program and lost it by his decisions (still losing), Those Junior girls were prepped for senior varsity play through the years, he messed them up and lost them scholarship opportunites (DD gpa 3.9 honors classes, 3 sports all years). My daughter hasn’t touched a soccer ball since and now works 30+ hrs and attends school 18 credits (nursing) at the cc instead of university.
It isn’t an entitlement mentality: it was earned through years of practice, financial sacrifices, and hardwork. No different then working your butt off, making sacrifices at a job and some KA getting promoted over you due to social connections. A song was written for that: “Take this job and shove it..”
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wade56013
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:12amagreed!
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SamIamTwo
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:18amAnd it comes thru discipline, self control, control of anger, not rebelling to authority. So like the burnt one of yesterday, I hold the system accountable to assure us this young man does not follow the same path.
Peace,
Tango down.
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Dan_o
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:22amThere’s a lesson to be learned here. Life isn’t fair and the only one who is going to take care of you is YOU. It’s better to learn it in high school than at 22-24 years old when you have $50k in school loans and no one can or wants to hire you.
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venrooy
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:03amIf a kid is willing to do this… then you have to know that there’s more to this story. A kid just doesn’t pull this kind of stunt on his first offense.
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Bonnieblue2A
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:09amIndeed. Likely he was losing play time for his bad additude. He can kiss any hope of a college hockey scholarship goodbye. No college coach could trust him not to do the same to his next team.
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The_Jerk
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:11amYou never know. In high school there is the “Friends and Family of the Coach First” principle that is often abused. What I can say is, something’s wrong, and the AD had better find out what it is.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:18am@Bonnieblue
As a father with kids in high school sports, I can tell almost immediately that you have no real experience with the crap going on now. No offense, but your statement would have been correct 30 years ago, today the strong are benched to let the weaker players “get field time” to the point that a lot of really talented teams are losing due to this fluffy “feel good” crap.
If you spend years working hard, and are acknowledged by even the fans as being the top talent, and Mr. New Age Hippy Coach benches you all the time to let little weak Johnny go out and get a participation trophy, you’re going to be pissed off, if you have a functioning mind and a good soul.
He did the right thing. Would that more people stop this “we have to sit back and take it and be polite” bullsh*t that has hobbled us and made us into slaves to the weak.
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AxelPhantom
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 4:02pmI coached youth hockey for 10 years. My son played for 16 years. He played AA, AAA, youth house, high school, invitation only tournament teams and Juniors in the North East, he will be playing College. I can tell you the politics in this sport is crazy.
In Minnesota High school hockey IS elite hockey, people follow it like they do football in Texas. He has been on teams where the coach intentionally sat the better players to give the other players ice time, but that was usually on a u-pay, u-play type team, NOT a team that fans pay to watch.
Goalies tend to be “special†(my son tended goal for one season and is usually finds his best friends are goalies) it can’t be described really but it takes a different personality to stand in front of 8oz of vulcanized rubber moving between 80-100mph with the intent of stopping it with your body.
As a goalie part of determining whether or not you get a look-see from scouts is the number of starts and games you have in a season. Your team can stink, but if you have 60 stops consitantly you will still get some attention, but you have to be on the ice.
I feel his frustration. I have watched my child sometimes get appreciation from coaches and sometimes get the shaft and seen my own kid’s frustration when he felt like he was not being judged on results but on his size alone (under 6’ he is a good but small defenseman). He has learned a lot about life from the game.
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hauschild
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 10:59amIt was ballsy and selfish, but in these days of anti-individualism, I don’t mind it all that much.
It also makes me think there ARE still kids out there whose minds haven’t been tainted with progressive ideologies.
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SamIamTwo
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:14amTeam play much…it’s a game…
Birds of a feather flock together. LOL
So no I was not kidding, you are validating my point below by making such statements.
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hauschild
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:47amHaven’t found you’re point, or even understand what “team play much” refers to, but you can call this kid a lot of things, but a progressive lemming is NOT one of them. That was MY point, which you’ll notice was not condoning the behavior; simply not “minding” it for the explicit reason I provided.
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neiman1
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 10:59amHe took a stand. It will result in many attacking him but he seems prepared for that, but he got his message across and will create a real discussion of the coaches techniques.
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silverstacker
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 10:57amIt’s called punctuation. You should use it. You should be embarrassed that you’re a senior and don’t know how to string together a sentence and not have it be a run-on.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:08amYou’re blaming the teen for the inability of the reporter to apply punctuation? Do you normally say the words “comma, question mark, period, semi-colon” when you speak?
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Tri-ox
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 10:55amThere are epic ways to quit your job (?) … and then there are inappropriate and low-class ways – as this child has proven by his actions. Sad.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:14amNot at all. He was benched so that weaker players could get the lion’s share of play time. He is living what all producers are living, but he had the moxy to not take it. We have been polite and deferential too long, and where has it gotten us? You and I both know where, we’re not hog tied and expected to hide our competence, and be punished for daring to achieve. Yeah, you stay classy and deferential, I’ll support the strong who have had enough of being treated like inferiors, and stand proudly behind this young man.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:20am“not hog-tied” = “now hog-tied”
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SamIamTwo
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:25amAnd in the day, my kids were never considered good enough to play…so they got benched…it was at a public school…a very liberal public school that hated to lose…the collective is in flux at all times.
When you are a child, you should be given a chance. You earn your way when you play sports in COLLEGE…JIMHO
The coach knows when a head hunter is coming to watch a child…they call first and inform the coach they want to see so and so…and that night they get to play in front of head hunter.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:48am@Siam
Maybe you didn’t read the article. They are launching an investigation into the coaching of the team. This isn’t something that only the young man responded to. Get it yet? He was responding to a very bad situation where either PC was prevailing, or favoritism via the good ol’ boy system where the coach and the lesser player’s dad were friends, take your pick.
It’s clear you don’t care for rebellion. If you could pen a treatise as to why the Founders were all a bunch of immature jerks for daring to rebel, I’d be glad to read it.
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huey6367
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 10:51amThere was a better way to show your disgust with the coaches. What you did was more juvenile than the sophmore goalie is in age. I guess you cemented your future in hockey.
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EVANROOD
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:46amThe key word Huey, is “juvenile”! He is…. He most likely doesn’t have a future playing hockey, and knew it before pulling this stunt! It might seem to him, a justifiable act of defiance now, but as time goes on, he’ll probably regret his actions. He will hopefully learn from the experience, as most of us did, looking back on some of our decisions while growing up!
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GunsBlazin
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 10:51amHaving been around and indirectly involved in this very same environment, I can tell you that often times players are played because A) their parents complain B) “fairness” or C) simply who their parents are or the whole popularity thing. It’s so blatantly obvious and many parents agree.
Some kid’s mom moans and groans to the coach and rather than simply telling her “hey, your kid isn’t as good” they tuck their sack back and play the lesser athlete.
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term limits for congress
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 10:51amI saw a lot of obama voters doing the same thing on Nov. 6th.
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SamIamTwo
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 10:49amHe’ll be treated as a hero by the left, no doubt…
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hauschild
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:00amAre you kidding me? The leftists are all about the collective – NOT the individual.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:29amWhy is that Siam? Because he was the best player who didn’t cotton to the notion that the weaker underclassmen should get more ice time than him, defied the hippy coach and stopped being a sucker for political correctness?
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scrapadapolis
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 10:49amYou call this entitlement?No this is someone that worked very hard where he got to have the new feel good everyone gets a trophy school step in and replace you with someone not as good as you then company earnings drop and the company ships to china.
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kaydeebeau
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 11:30amIs there another story soemwhere that gives this info or are you specualting as to this kid’s abilities?
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13th Imam
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 10:47amAdult? decisions have consequences. Might be Freshman Affirmative Action and the best person for the job got screwed. Just a possibility.
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Saff SGT
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 10:46amwell right or wrong his 1st amendment rights shall not be messed with, It does not matter you like or dislike what he done. the 1st amendment shall not be infringed. If you cant agree to this you are no better that our Black Communist president
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Gonzo
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 10:37amKid, it seems to me you just proved the coaches were right for sitting you on the bench
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Welcome Black Carter
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 1:01pmAnother budding democrat. They so cute when they’re young…
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 1:57pmYeah. I suspect that the rebels who fired on the Brits in Concorde deserved the slaughter’n they got too. Bunch of immature jerks, eh? The world is a better place without those future “democrats in the making”, huh?
The inability of the Right to even know how to rebel against something that’s unjust will be why history books will ultimately record why freedom died in this nation. Hey, sure, we’ll be gone, but history will not how polite and nice we were, and really, isn’t that what matters?
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Gonzo
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 3:21pmCome on Ghost, bad analogy. If a bunch of high school kids wanted to revolt against the king, you’re right, I would probably want to hear from the adults before I started shooting. I’m sorry your kid is in a bad situation, but a lot of kids and parents are convinced they are the next face on the Wheaties box. Sometimes they are, more often they are not. There is a right way to quit and a wrong way and I say robbing the other kids on the team of a chance to win a game they have worked just as hard for is wrong…and applauding it doesn’t exactly send the right message in my book.
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JohnnyBrillcream
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 10:36amOnce again the entitlement generation shows it’s true colors. “I’m a senior and I deserve to play, doesn’t matter the other goalie is better. I’m a senior!” Let’s hope this kids parents step up and show him proper sportsmanship and the college he goes to lets him know they don’t need him on the team so don’t even try out.
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kaydeebeau
Posted on February 14, 2013 at 10:36amWell considering this goalies actions and apparent entitlement mentality (and I can presume delusions of grandeur so common among the participation trophy crowd) I would have to deduce that junior isn’t much of a team player and was benched for such attitudes…
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