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New Interactive Map Shows the Number of Times Guns Have Saved Americans

Feb. 15, 2013 3:45pm

Proponents of stricter gun control measures regularly call attention to the number of people who have killed in gun-related crimes:

Heres the Cato Institute’s Interactive Gun Map

A Huffington Post front page splash featuring victims of gun crime. Note that the word “freedom” is in scare quotes.

However, what these people often neglect to mention is the number of people who have been saved by firearms. That is, gun control advocates rarely — if ever — acknowledge the possible benefits of owning a gun.

But is there an upside to owning a gun, as defenders of the Second Amendment claim? Of course there is. Indeed, it shouldn’t come as a surprise when we say numerous would-be murderers, burglars, and rapists have been thwarted by guns.

But let’s try to visualize this.

In the spirit of the Journal News, the New York newspaper that published a map featuring  the names and addresses of legal gun owners in three counties, the Cato Institute has put together a map documenting the instances where a gun has helped innocent Americans protect themselves from criminals.

“Gun control proponents cannot deny that people use guns successfully against criminals, but they tend to play down how often such events take place,” Cato notes. “The purpose of this map is to draw more attention to this aspect of the firearms policy debate.”

Heres the Cato Institute’s Interactive Gun Map

Screen grab.

Now two points need to be made about this map:

First, the map is not comprehensive. Criminals will often flee the scene when they discover that their intended target has a gun. With no shots fired, no injuries, and no suspect in custody, news organizations may report nothing at all. Thus, it is important to remember that news reports can only provide us with an imperfect picture of defensive gun use in America.

Second, when a citizen is able to shoot an attacker or hold a rapist or robber until the police arrive, it is very likely that more than one crime has been prevented because if the culprit had not been stopped, he could have targeted other citizens as well. The bottom line is that gun owners stop a lot of criminal mayhem every year.

Final Thought: As the above map clearly illustrates, firearms ​have ​been used to save lives. Washington should keep this in mind when it considers passing legislation that would make it more difficult for Americans to have access to guns.

After all, if it can save just one life …

Click here to see Cato’s fully interactive gun map.

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  • Southernsoul
    Posted on February 15, 2013 at 7:30pm

    I wonder if they needed more than 5 bullets in their clips? (yes, I am aware. I am making a point)

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    • Airbornedevildog
      Posted on February 15, 2013 at 9:20pm

      Please educate yourself on the difference between clips and magazines. Magazines are used to feed a weapon, clips are used to load magazines. Clips are either 5 or 10 rounds, so YES I hope they ban clips. I can load my 30 round mags and my 13 round pistol mags by hand.

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    • Beachmastermax
      Posted on February 15, 2013 at 10:29pm

      This is my rifle, this is my gun…..

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    • Ron on the Rio Grande
      Posted on February 15, 2013 at 11:18pm

      Who really “needs” a guitar? You can play a Ukalele instead.

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    • motherboard
      Posted on February 16, 2013 at 12:40am

      Who really needs lightning storms? They are dangerous.

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    • M4-A1
      Posted on February 16, 2013 at 8:38am

      Southernsoul

      Hey stupid. whether a mag hold 7 to 10 or 13 to 15 like my ruger Sr40c is not the question.. people who own guns legally feel more comfortable with the mags hold the larger amount of ammo….whoud a cop be okay with just 7 rounds?????? would you feel mre comfortable starting out a long drive with half a tank of gas or a full tank.

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    • mikem1969
      Posted on February 16, 2013 at 9:11am

      Well asking that question brings me back to something that happened in GA when a woman was defending her home and child. She unloaded 6 rounds and hit the guy each time, he walked away. So yes I feel more comfortable with a large capacity magazine. Maybe if she would have had 8 rounds or 10, or even 16 they guy would never have left the house, taxpayer money would not have to be wasted on medical bills or a trial. Seven rounds is not enough sometimes, especially if someone is hopped up on crack, meth, or some other crazy drug.

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    • poorrichard09
      Posted on February 16, 2013 at 9:24am

      Interesting how the majority of reports come from east of the Mississippi River.

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    • Uechi
      Posted on February 16, 2013 at 10:13am

      It’s not a clip it’s a magazine. If you are going to try and make an argument one way or another on gun control you should know what the Hell your talking about or just be another dumb ass lefty.The number of bullets in a magazine is not the issue despite what the left and the media would have you believe. John Browning’s invention of the Colt 1911 over 100 years old has a normal capacity magazine of 7 rounds with an additional round in the chamber making 8. There is no such thing as having too many bullets in a self defense situation but there is such a thing as not having enough to save your life.

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    • lmard55
      Posted on February 16, 2013 at 10:57am

      My rifle has a clip that hold 8 30-06 and its a government issue semi-automatic. A spring clip. 1942 Garand. It is a proven battlefield rifle. Of course I may have lost it in a freakish canoeing accident a while back, my memory is faded on the subject.

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    • Mr. H.
      Posted on February 16, 2013 at 12:36pm

      It is far better to have rounds left than to need more and not have them. I’ve been in many incidents where merely drawing my weapon caused the perp to flee. I’ve also been in two gun fights where I’ve loaded a second and third 15 round magazine. I wasn’t going Hollywood with the ammo either. That gang had five fewer members on the street by the time the police showed up. The whole thing took seven minuets, an eternity in hell. I am pleased to say urban renewal has turned that neighborhood into an unused park.

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    • GroundZero is Nuclear Demolition x3
      Posted on February 16, 2013 at 12:50pm

      I think it’s so funny SouthernSoul knew he would catch hell, hence the “yes, I am aware. I am making a point”.
      Little do these “professional gun owners” realize, revolvers uses CLIPS (half-moon and full moon). Goes to show how much they want to be right about something. People who brag about their guns, don’t get the point LMARD55 is the exception, he brings it up to make the point a M1 Garand uses CLIPS, not magazines.

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    • desertspeaks
      Posted on February 16, 2013 at 1:07pm

      @LMARD55.. was that you? I’m not sure as my memory is a little fuzzy as well ;) but I think I lost all my guns on that same trip.. guess we’ll have nothing to register, if that time comes :P

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    • Sua-Sponte
      Posted on February 16, 2013 at 1:23pm

      Guns are like condoms.

      It’s better to have one and not need it . . . that to need one and not have it.

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    • RedHarley
      Posted on February 16, 2013 at 5:34pm

      How about a page full of pictures of the perpetrators of these gun crimes ?

      Sorry………………..what was I thinking ????

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    • chips1
      Posted on February 16, 2013 at 7:43pm

      SUA:
      Have one and not need it? What a horrible thing to say.

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    • YOURSENSEI
      Posted on February 16, 2013 at 8:18pm

      This is what you must know:

      Five bullets? Of course not. They don’t need any bullets . . . “Criminals will often flee the scene when they discover that their intended target has a gun.’

      it is so.

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  • Charles Curtis
    Posted on February 15, 2013 at 6:38pm

    Add incidents to this http://www.cato.org/guns-and-self-defense

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    • Jinglebob
      Posted on February 15, 2013 at 7:33pm

      This can not be true. Why the experts say that a gun is not for defense. Could it be that many police officers are not that knowledgeable?

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    • Beachmastermax
      Posted on February 15, 2013 at 10:24pm

      I put it in my favorites. I will send this to that California Sherrif. I hope many do.

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  • dont_drive_slow_in_the_left_lane_obliviot
    Posted on February 15, 2013 at 6:31pm

    Freedom? How many of those people live in places like Chicago where lawful people are not free to own a firearm to defend themselves? And how many were thugs shot by other thugs or cops? Liars.

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  • Larry E
    Posted on February 15, 2013 at 6:30pm

    Since there are no really reliable statistics on the use of firearms that stop or prevent a crime the anti-gun people poo-poo it when it’s mentioned. But MOST times a gun is shown the bad guy(s) see a gun and run without a shot being fired. No normal person wants to shoot someone, so when the miscreant turns tail and runs no shots, no report.

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  • tclove
    Posted on February 15, 2013 at 6:15pm

    16 of the photos are mugshots….what does that tell you?

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    • M13
      Posted on February 15, 2013 at 6:41pm

      Tells me Encinom has a lot of family members that are idiots too.

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  • flatbroke
    Posted on February 15, 2013 at 6:11pm

    “An armed society is a polite society” I dont know who said this but, its soo true.

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    • allenwench
      Posted on February 16, 2013 at 6:47pm

      Quote from “Beyond this Horizon” by Robert A. Heinlein. “An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.”

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  • bcanddc
    Posted on February 15, 2013 at 5:26pm

    I have thrice in my life used a firearm to defend myself. Twice there was not a shot fired and no police report filed as the ner-do-wells both fled immediately. I’m just one person, now imagine how many times this happens every single day in this country!! One other time while hiking my group was being shot at by some lunatic who was hidden and was taking pot shots at us. Who knows if he was a bad shot and was trying to hit us but missed five times or if he was intentionally missing. One thing for certain though is he didn’t count on my having a Ruger Mini 14 with me with a loaded 30 round magazine with which I promptly returned fire and that was the end of that situation! He must have scattered as he stopped shooting. That time we called the police, filed a report and of course he was never found. I believe that my having one of those god aweful assault rifles with me that day may have saved a life or two and you know, “if we can just save one life…..”.

    I will NEVER, EVER, EVER register my guns or give them up, NEVER!

    Furthermore, if the presence of a firearm does nothing to deter crime, why do the police carry them? After all according to the California police chief, they are not for defense, only offense.

    These liberals are getting so balled up in their inconsistencies that it’s hilarious to watch. Logic and common sense will always prevail. The problem for them now is there is just too much evidence out there to combat their lies.

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    • paulwbrown
      Posted on February 15, 2013 at 5:41pm

      You are exactly right. We will never know how many times a gun saved a person, persons, a family because the incident was never reported. And when it gets reported to law enforcement, there is no relevant database to record the incident in many cases. The gun haters will incessantly repeat statistics of people harmed by guns (even when the person doing the harming is a gang banger shooting another gang banger) but they will totally ignore the known statistics of incidents where a gun save others from death, beatings, rape, robbery, etc.

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    • MK2
      Posted on February 15, 2013 at 7:37pm

      My father and I rolled into a rest stop one night about 3 am two guys came out of the stall wanted my fathers wallet I let go of my pecker and just pulled the hammer back on my gun that’s all they needed to hear they changed their mind we used the pay phone called the cops and left we could not stay till the cops got there

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    • Salamander
      Posted on February 15, 2013 at 9:02pm

      They should have checked the nearest dumpsters for his loaded shorts!

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    • sinsay7
      Posted on February 16, 2013 at 7:12am

      thanks for keeping the word thrice alive

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  • righthanddrive
    Posted on February 15, 2013 at 5:22pm

    If this map is going to be kept up to date, it will be nice to see what happens in the state of NY by the end of the year. I suggest a BLACK/Attacked flag for all those killed by non-registered guns. Bet NY will be a black spot on this map.

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  • woodyee
    Posted on February 15, 2013 at 5:21pm

    RJJinGadsden, Posted on February 15, 2013 at 4:49pm
    “Hey, our largest organization of personnel with weapons is called the Department of DEFENSE.”

    My friends, RJJ just made a PROFOUND statement! ‘Twas not so long ago that the Dept. of Defense was known as the “Dept of War”. The name change came about as a result of pacifists, which are now known as “progressives”. Those are the same folks wanting to do away with our Constitution. That very fact puts our PC law-ENFORCEMENT Chief in a quandary…

    Aside from that, the stupid Chief is telling us that his officers are armed for offensive purposes (standing Army), which runs CONTRARY to the 2ND Amendment, to wit – “A well-regulated (trained) militia (the People) being necessary to the security (DEFENSE) of a free State, the Right of the People (citizens) to keep (possess) and bear (present; carry) arms (weapons, intentionally unspecified) shall not be infringed (you don’t mess with it – PERIOD).

    Has he, in essence, declared WAR on U.S. Citizens? If not, it must be demanded of him that he clarify his position, or else he should be removed from office, by force if necessary. Without clarification, it’s not beyond reason to believe he’s threatening citizens with tyranny.

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  • RaydocX
    Posted on February 15, 2013 at 4:55pm

    witness as well, trolls the truth that in those states with long standing respect for firearms and personal carriage there are NOT the number of incidents.

    while i cannot prove this without more time and data than i want to waste, i do not believe it is merely a matter of a lower population density, either. Go to Montana or Wyoming, the Dakotas or Texas, and the bad guys simply do not choose to push their luck as often as is true where there are more people who abhor firearms.

    and again, no one is saying everyone has to carry or even know how to shoot… it seems to me the latter would be a reasonable skill, just like i have learned skills that i no longer practice. Learning keeps the mind sharp, if nothing else. But aside from they philosophical ‘if everyone carried’ points, no one here is demanding MBE, Sensei, JRook or any of the other haters buy or use a firearm.

    Go on about your business and let us be about ours. But stop perpetuating the lies and distorting the facts… the truth is not on your side.

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  • athiest-infedel
    Posted on February 15, 2013 at 4:54pm

    If owning a gun can save just one life it’s worth it…….

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  • kiwi1
    Posted on February 15, 2013 at 4:50pm

    I Blame the Government and Gun Free Zones for many of these Massacres.

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    • encinom
      Posted on February 15, 2013 at 5:08pm

      the truth is, its the gun nuts and the NRA that have prevented reasonable, sensible gun laws. How many more tiny caskets will the NRA, CATO and other gun nuts attempt to hide?

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    • mercenary4freedom
      Posted on February 15, 2013 at 6:40pm

      ENCINOM, how many more dumpsters will you libs fill with aborted babies? How many more tiny caskets will be carried by grief stricken parents carry in the middle east on they way to the cemetery to bury thier kids killed by obama drone strikes?

      It’s a rough world out there $hit for brains. People die every day from ways besides guns.

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    • tonypro
      Posted on February 15, 2013 at 7:25pm

      @mercenary4freedom
      Although you statements are dead on, try to go easy on insaneom. After all he’s just trying to make a living by getting paid to spout out ignorant comments, and even though it apparently comes natural to him, surely nobody is truly that stupid, hence must be trying to get a pay check.

      Of course I guess there is the possibility he is that bad, and if that is the case someone should call Guinness records, or maybe Ripleys Believe it or Not.

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    • WATER-THE-TREE
      Posted on February 16, 2013 at 4:28am

      ENCIMOM — they would and should make a tiny casket for your brain but the technology to make one small enough still does not yet exist!

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    • afvetfirewoman
      Posted on February 16, 2013 at 2:10pm

      @encinom – the NRA, CATO and the rest of the thinking free people are trying to PREVENT (your exploitation of) any more tiny little caskets. Yours included. You ought to be thanking everyone that is willing to protect your right to continue stealing our oxygen.

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    • afvetfirewoman
      Posted on February 16, 2013 at 2:13pm

      @ECINOM – The NRA , CATO and the rest of the free thinking patriots here and trying to PREVENT (your continued, shameless exploitation of) any more “tiny little caskets; yours included. You should be thankful that so many of these good folks are willing to protect your right to continue to steal our oxygen that you appear to not use for your own good.

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    • YOURSENSEI
      Posted on February 16, 2013 at 8:19pm

      Mr or Ms WATER-THE-TREE,

      This is what you must know:

      If they gave you an enema you could be buried in a matchbox.

      It is so.

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  • Tickdog
    Posted on February 15, 2013 at 4:48pm

    nice map!

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  • Perspective
    Posted on February 15, 2013 at 4:33pm

    If every able bodied citizen carried a pistol on their side crime rates would plummet and the country would be a much more polite place. Proven fact.

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  • athiest-infedel
    Posted on February 15, 2013 at 4:28pm

    Before I left New Orleans I had to pull my gun on a thug threating me with a knife but he ran like a little bitc*, looking back I wish I had shot him as a community service measure. but no police report.

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    • Displacedsoutherner
      Posted on February 16, 2013 at 9:29am

      I think the trend will be do what you need to do to defend yourself and leave the police out of it for fear that your reasonable and justified actions will be used against you by a misguided justice system.

      If the guy takes off just keep it to yourself and hope he doesn’t return; no point in giving the police an opportunity to stick their noses into your personal defense assets.

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  • naughtycal
    Posted on February 15, 2013 at 4:22pm

    wait wait wait wait…..this is a map of places where guns were used for defense?
    But I rest heard apolice chief say that was a myth. Someone has to be wrong.(sarc)
    When the democrats attack gettysburg were the union soldiers defending on offending the central command? When the mexican attack the Allamo was Davey Crocket defending or offending the allamo?
    I think I figured out whose lying.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on February 15, 2013 at 4:47pm

      Yeah, but he was telling a pack of lies and the MSM presented him with the stage to do so.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on February 15, 2013 at 4:49pm

      Hey, our largest organization of personnel with weapons is called the Department of DEFENSE.

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    • woodyee
      Posted on February 15, 2013 at 5:06pm

      That’s on the money, RJJ!!!

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    • Fubared
      Posted on February 16, 2013 at 11:27am

      They had lots of market study and group sessions and DOO just didn’t sell. Hard to raise taxes/revenue for DOO when DOD sounds so much more special.

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  • woodyee
    Posted on February 15, 2013 at 4:18pm

    Reading suggestion for you Leftist Libs who admit to having your skulls full of mush indoctrinated in public school –

    “That Every Man Be Armed” , Stephen Halbrook
    “More Guns, Less Crime”, Prof. John Lott
    “The Second Amendment Primer”, Les Adams

    If those books are way beyond your reading comprehension, try “The New York City Cab Drivers Book of Dirty Jokes”, Jim Pietsch…yeah, it’s got nothing to do with the subject at hand, but it’ll keep you busy…

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  • Tom K
    Posted on February 15, 2013 at 4:18pm

    Right after Tuesday night’s S.O.T.U. address, a Father was killed in his own home while trying to protect his 11 year old daughter from Armed Urban Terrorists ( Miami ). The unarmed Father was called a hero and died just like the unarmed school personel at Sandy Hook – none had a chance. Obama wants these ” Gun Free Zones ” EVERYWHERE in America, where criminals kill unarmed Americans. Thanks for the map of successful legal gun use. Pass this map on to Every Politician and Every Dem-Lib-Prog-Soc-Comm on your mail list.

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  • Saff SGT
    Posted on February 15, 2013 at 4:11pm

    hmmm country wide this is good

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  • Bobby D
    Posted on February 15, 2013 at 4:04pm

    There always 2 sides to a real story. 0bama’s “gun control myth” has impossibility on its side. Guns are here to remain. Only honest folks are harmed by the abolition of their 2nd Amend. Rights. This is the irrefutable truth, and then there is the LYING SOCIALIST PROPAGANDA being ginned-up by the corrupt liberals, no matter their party or place in the masses.

    Airborne

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  • SREGN
    Posted on February 15, 2013 at 4:01pm

    So if the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to have a good guy with a gun, shouldn’t we want all the good guys to have guns? Shouldn’t politicians and law enforcement be trying to get more guns into the hands of good guys? Then we wouldn’t have a gun violence problem. Right?

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  • JRook
    Posted on February 15, 2013 at 3:53pm

    and of course your point is you have no point as no one is disputing that guns can be a very effective weapon when purchased, registered and used safely and legally. The only real questions is why we have not done more to insure those three attributes are associated with every gun. why not do something useful and answer the question as to why the gun industry “loses track” of 100,000 guns every year. and make your best case that this is about anything more than money for gun manufacturers, some who might even advertise on the blaze.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on February 15, 2013 at 4:02pm

      JRook, fact is, it’s none of your business, or the governments business, if I own a gun. Criminals don’t register weapons. So, why make criminals out of the law abiding. Registration serves no purpose other than intimidation and control. It does not stop or deter crime.

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    • 00100111
      Posted on February 15, 2013 at 4:04pm

      I see you tried to type something, but the only thing that came across is the sound of a screaming infant. Can you try again, please?

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on February 15, 2013 at 4:05pm

      What does registering have to do with anything? The majority of states shown don’t “register” firearms or keep any records whatsoever of firearms purchases (about specific firearms matched to buyer).

      Guess your strawman fell down and went boom, huh? :)

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    • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
      Posted on February 15, 2013 at 4:08pm

      My only point was that we didn’t have the hard data before. Now, we, kind of, do, to back up what we have always been saying, which is, guns are a deterrent to crime, and that deterred crime doesn’t get reported by police. What needs to be added is the kind of crime, such as: if someone planned to rob you, but then saw your gun on the dash of your car, that was a deterred crime.

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    • wmcritter
      Posted on February 15, 2013 at 4:14pm

      Registration has nothing to do with safety. It is just the preliminary step to confiscation. After all, the Gestapo need to know which houses to confiscate guns from, don’t they?
      Heil Hitler!

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    • freemarj
      Posted on February 15, 2013 at 4:15pm

      jrook, you said “why not do something useful and answer the question as to why the gun industry “loses track” of 100,000 guns every year.” The “gun industry” does not loose track of 100,000 guns every year. Manufactures sell/send guns to retailers and keep records on each shipment. Retailers sell to law abiding citizens. The gun industry has no responsibility to “track” guns past the wholesale shipment to the retailer. Just like Canada, registration will lead to confiscation. Once a government employee decides your registered firearm is no longer on the “approved list” it will be confiscated. Or you face criminal charges. BTW, Canada just repealed their registration law.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on February 15, 2013 at 4:19pm

      @Freemarj

      That’s what I came back to post, thank you for that. He’s trying to sneak in what’s called a “package deal”. Adds two components that are true and slips in a third, then pretends they’re all real and calls for everybody to follow them.

      These folks are absolute snakes, they have no credibility and no ability to hold an honest conversation, especially if the facts are not on their side. Hell, they can’t hold one if the facts ARE on their side, they’re simply incapable of straight, honest truth. Hear one thing true and expect ten lies, that’s the way they roll.

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    • RaydocX
      Posted on February 15, 2013 at 4:29pm

      i love your ‘loses track of’ statistic.
      from?
      and what of the millions of dollars the government ‘loses track of’ every year, the waste that funds who knows what criminal enterprises.

      and the ‘register’ remark is not missed, either. Witness the papers trying to get ‘publicly available’ lists of conceal carry permit holders… whether by government overreach or private groups with a cause, any registry of guns represents a list that places those law abiding citizens at risk. And saying that is not so ignores the bill that has been presented in the Missouri legislature… hard to confiscate a firearm you are not aware exists.

      JRook, if you do not want firearms, don’t own. It’s your free choice.
      But those of us who do… it is our natural right.

      what i want to see is the interactive map showing where criminals used firearms against unarmed victims… compare that to the map of legally owned firearms used by a permit holder in the commission of a crime.

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    • WillG
      Posted on February 15, 2013 at 4:42pm

      Damn right it is none of the Governments concern what a law abiding citizen owns pertaining to self defense. You that are on board with registration are imbecilic and naive.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on February 15, 2013 at 4:50pm

      Did JCROOK just fart here again?

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    • mercenary4freedom
      Posted on February 15, 2013 at 5:10pm

      ROOK, whats your obsession with registration? We legally purchase a weapon, it goes on record already as we make that lawful purchase. The govt has no business further than that of knowing what private property we own & that includes firearms. Case closed.

      What are you, a proponent for padding the govt coffers with a gun registration tax?

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    • Silvertruth
      Posted on February 15, 2013 at 5:12pm

      It wouldn’t bother me that 100K guns are ‘lost track of’ each year. We really shouldn’t care who has a firearm, only who uses a firearm in an immoral or unethical fashion. The person is the issue, not the firearm.

      If everyone were responsible and ethical, we could all walk around with guns on our hips and over our shoulders, but then again, we wouldn’t need to.

      You have firearms to deal with those that don’t use them morally or ethically.

      Taking them away from moral and ethical people just makes them targets for those that aren’t.

      It’s basic logic and in that light “any” form of gun control is beyond intellectually supportable.

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    • Fubared
      Posted on February 15, 2013 at 5:32pm

      RJ is seems Rookie sharted all over itself.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on February 15, 2013 at 5:47pm

      FUBARED, LOL. Actually, I was just too late to this thread and figured why just pile on after so many good points were made. So, I kept my opinion short and truthful.

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    • MK2
      Posted on February 15, 2013 at 7:15pm

      I think the majority of the 100000 gun that u speak of can be found south of the boarder thanks to fast and furies wait I think the drug lords are sending some back north to kill us law abiding Americans

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  • Fubared
    Posted on February 15, 2013 at 3:50pm

    Oh no. You can’t outright call a well regarded Ca police chief a liar and a dunce. Prepare to hear from his union rep.

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  • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
    Posted on February 15, 2013 at 3:49pm

    Also, places to avoid on the next trip.

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  • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
    Posted on February 15, 2013 at 3:47pm

    Finally, data to prove this point.

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