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Israelis Mark 2-Year Anniversary of Fogel Family Massacre by Palestinians

Feb. 17, 2013 12:49pm Sharona Schwartz

Israelis Mark Two Year Anniversary of Fogel Family Massacre

Friends, family and neighbors gather for a Fogel family memorial in Itamar on Sunday (Photo courtesy of Yesha Council Deputy Director Yigal Dilmoni)

Two years have passed since members of the Fogel family were massacred in their home by Palestinian terrorists, but for friends, family and many Israelis, their memory continues to inspire. This was the message sounded at a memorial service Sunday to mark the date – according to the Jewish calendar – that they were killed.

In March 2011, two teenage Palestinian cousins from a nearby village scaled the security fence surrounding the town of Itamar located in Samaria in the northern part of the West Bank. They crawled through the window of the Fogel home and, once inside, butchered parents Udi and Ruth, 11-year-old Yoav, 4-year-old Elad, and before leaving, stabbed to death their baby girl, 3-month-old Hadas.

So moved were they by the family’s tragedy, at least 14 families in the past year named their newborn babies after those slain, according to Ruth Fogel’s parents.

Ruth’s mother, Tali Ben-Yishai, told Israel National News that she keeps track of all of the babies named after her daughter’s family.

“People we do not know contact us and tell us that they named their children after our loved ones…[They] call to offer encouragement and express identification and they do so in the most joy-inspiring way possible – by giving new life and new light,” she said.

Members of the Fogel family who were killed

The service held near the Fogel home in Itamar included Israeli Justice Minister Yaakov Neeman, members of the Knesset, rabbis, senior military officials, family, neighbors and friends. Neeman read a letter from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, which said he is regularly updated about the three surviving Fogel children and that the Fogel family heritage will be passed on to the younger generation. A member of the audience told TheBlaze that the prime minister’s note also expressed a desire to fortify his commitment to the land of Israel.

It was a day that friends and neighbors took pause to reflect on their loss. Neighbor Leah Goldsmith, who runs the Friends of Itamar organization with her husband, town mayor Moshe Goldsmith, told TheBlaze about the still-fresh pain of the murders.

“Two years have passed since that dreadful night that Arab murderers entered our community and murdered a family of saints, the Fogels,” Goldsmith said. “It was ten years before that that the world only heard of Itamar because of the murder of…members of the Shabo family and Yosef Tuito…it pains not only to grieve their loss but to realize how world attention is turned to us only on a tragic event.”

She added, “There are Jewish people out here sacrificing their lives for the land, sweating and bleeding in the goal of preserving a whole and complete Israel, from the Jordan to the Mediterranean Sea. Why is it such an easy thing to give away for a false world order?”

As Goldsmith said, the Fogel family murders weren’t the first atrocity committed in the small community. In 2002, five residents were slain by an Arab terrorist who shot them in a home.

Goldsmith and her neighbors believe their community as well as other Jewish settlements in Samaria are of strategic significance and enhance Israel’s security.

David Ha’ivri, media director for the Shomron (Samaria) Regional Council, lives a 15-minute drive from Itamar and said that far from discouraging them, the Fogel family murder only motivated Jewish residents to redouble their efforts to expand the Jewish settlements of Judea and Samaria, also known as the West Bank — a policy opposed by the U.S., Europe and most U.N. member states.

“The terror attack is not forgotten,” Ha’ivri told TheBlaze. “The Fogels were remarkable people and were dedicated to the land of Israel and to the tradition of the Torah, and to the connection of the Jewish people to the land of our heritage. They were slaughtered in their home by two teenagers from a nearby Arab village who did so as a means of terrorism to express their hate for the Jewish people. There are no words to describe how horrific and terrible that act was.”

“The community of Itamar is like one big family that has been struck by terrorism numerous times. They’ve become stronger and grown. More young families have joined the community. The yeshiva [religious seminary] where Rabbi Udi Fogel taught became a powerhouse for Torah study. It has the greatest demand in Israel of young students who want to study there and now a new study hall for the building was constructed in memory of Rabbi Fogel and his family,” Ha’ivri added.

Rabbi Yehuda and Tali Ben-Yishai, the parents of Ruth Fogel, have taken in their daughter’s three surviving children, 14-year-old Tamar, 10-year-old Roi and four-year-old Yishai, transforming themselves from grandparents to de facto parents. In an interview published Friday in Israel Hayom, Rabbi Ben-Yishai said of his daughter, son-in-law and three slain grandchildren, “They’re always with us.”

“What happened was so inhuman that we have gained superhuman strength,” grandmother Tali said. “We know these children will be great people. They will be all right. They will not be damaged. They’re not in trauma anymore. Some children are afraid of what happens around them, but they’re not like that. They’re not the sort who don’t want to go to school or don’t want to get out of bed and spend the day crying.”

Their grandfather described their schedule: “They get up in the morning, go to school, prepare sandwiches for themselves, come back with report cards. A normal routine.”

Tali added: “We’ve gone back to being young. We’ve been given a gift, and we’ve gained something — the children give us a lot of strength, and I don’t know whether we give more to them or they give more to us.”

At the ceremony, the cornerstone for a new dormitory was set in honor of the Fogels where yeshiva students will be able to live and study. The town of Itamar hopes the dormitory will be constructed within the year.

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majasdad
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 7:01am
Isn’t that typical of the Blaze, only reporting on stories that back up their agenda and ignoring factual events that go against the skewed world view they are trying to promote? One Israeli settler family killed by a couple of maniacs (and implying that they are typical of Palestinians in general), but no mention of the hundreds of innocent Palestinian children killed by say, Israel’s phosphorous bombing of Gaza (the use of which is illegal no less against civilian populations under Protocol 3).

Barack Obama is to receive Israel’s presidential medal of distinction when he visits Israel in March, but does the Blaze mention that? No, because they’ve just spent the past 4 years putting forward the angle that Obama hates Israel.

Hmm…

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- majasdad
  Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:16am
  Even Foxnews mentioned the Presidential Medal of Distinction story, but still total silence from the Blaze regarding that “inconvenient truth”. Doesn’t do well for you credibility, does it, the Blaze?
  
  “President Shimon Peres plans to give President Obama a special award at a state dinner next month when Mr. Obama is expected to visit Israel. Mr. Obama would be the first sitting American president to receive the award, Israel’s Presidential Medal of Distinction. Previous recipients include Henry A. Kissinger and the conductor Zubin Mehta. “Barack Obama is a true friend of the State of Israel, and has been since the beginning of his public life,” Mr. Peres said in a statement.”
  
  http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/2013/02/19/israel-giving-president-obama-award/
  
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liltexasgal
Posted on February 18, 2013 at 2:16am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP35sj-9iaI

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- JRook
  Posted on February 18, 2013 at 10:08am
  i’m sure even sharona considers context important from time to time. Some facts from a israli humanitarian group.
  
  http://old.btselem.org/statistics/english/Casualties.asp
  
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- techengineer11
  Posted on February 18, 2013 at 2:00pm
  10s of thousands of slaughtered Palestinians and you can’t find one family to personalize it?
  
  This is inane. Who are you trying to fool? Is the American Christian really that damn dumb? Are they really so blinded that they can’t see the true massacre before them?
  
  This is really getting bad and I’m really getting tired of all these wolves in sheep clothing going around advocating for more blood shed in the name of Israel. This is insane. HOw do you pretend as if the Jew’s hands are not dirty in all of this?lol
  
  Good grief people. You have lost your minds. And unfortunately this is one of the biggest reasons Republicans are losing elections.. that is the fact they have become hired hands of AIPAC.
  
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- techengineer11
  Posted on February 18, 2013 at 4:42pm
  Wonder if the Blaze will cover the followng article found on th Drudge?
  
  Somehow I doubt it since Beck’s #1 job is to promote and and cover for the Jews…
  
  Israeli soldier posts Instagram image of Palestinian child in crosshairs of rifle
  
  Military investigates Mor Ostrovski, 20, as row grows over spate of offensive images posted online by Israeli soldiers
  
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- majasdad
  Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:09am
  @JROOK
  exactly..
  
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liltexasgal
Posted on February 17, 2013 at 10:05pm
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=u+tube+tribute+to+fogel+family&mid=BC566649712EB86AE3DDBC566649712EB86AE3DD&view=detail&FORM=VIRE2

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- neoconenemy
  Posted on February 18, 2013 at 1:28am
  Israeli land grabbers build settlements on Palestinian land. Every once in a while they get their comeuppance (like here) but mostly get away with it. Palestinians have every right to resist and defend themselves in anyway they see fit. Beck will have us believe that the Israelis are as pure as the driven snow but in reality, they are America’s biggest headache. Bigger than those moooslim terrorists. Israelis have us fighting wars halfway around the world at their behest spilling tens of thousands of American lives and trillions of dollars. If we don’t snap out of this zionist trance the country is doomed.
  
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- ofass
  Posted on February 18, 2013 at 2:36am
  NEOCONENEMY@ You are another dirt bag troll.
  
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- tzion
  Posted on February 18, 2013 at 10:29am
  @neocon
  “Palestinians have every right to resist and defend themselves in anyway they see fit.”
  
  Stabbing an infant is a defensive act? Blowing up clubs and markets is something other than murder. Using schools and hospitals for weapon storage is an excusable act? And here I thought moral relativism was a liberal ideology.
  
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- neoconenemy
  Posted on February 19, 2013 at 10:42am
  Tzion…..if the Palestinians had fighter jets with missiles they would probably fight a conventional war but they don’t. When you are outgunned you use unconventional, and some would call terroristic methods. Menachem Begin used the same tactics when he bombed the King David hotel no?
  
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capelady
Posted on February 17, 2013 at 9:17pm
The liberal media around the world is guilty of anti-Israel propaganda! We must set the record straight at every opportunity and re-educate people who are at least interested in knowing the truth!

This is a great video about the courage and resilience of Israel!

http://www.aish.com/jw/id/This-is-Israel-Resilience.html

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capelady
Posted on February 17, 2013 at 9:13pm
More HISTORIC truth about the land of Israel!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGYxLWUKwWo

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capelady
Posted on February 17, 2013 at 9:08pm
For anyone on this thread who wants to understand the Israelis…. and why there will never be peace because Israel will never divide Jerusalem again – watch this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTW59USStlk

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ofass
Posted on February 17, 2013 at 5:52pm
Amazing how all dirt-bags came out of their holes “debating” about this issue. they sit and type all day and night for what? really nothing – you will not change even one’s mind about Israel or the Jews. Your work is absolutely for nothing !!!

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- The_Jerk
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 7:32pm
  Spoken like a true believer looking for his 72 virgins.
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 7:55pm
  Jihad Jerk the Muslim appeasing pos at it again?
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 8:00pm
  There is jihad jerk. Muslim extremist bootlicker. How did you get around a 3 month old being murdered to spew your drivel again? Pos.
  
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- ofass
  Posted on February 18, 2013 at 1:22am
  My satisfaction is than every sentence you post here causes immediately contribution of $50 to the IDF. Think about it Jerky – you personally responsible for thousands of dollars sent to the IDF. You should be proud of it as probably the only positive deed you done in your miserable life.
  
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Keatonc333
Posted on February 17, 2013 at 3:30pm
Ok so I am not saying this isn’t tragic.. because it is very tragic! but this one sided reporting and one sided philosophy is NOT how this issue will be resolved. Our reluctance to recognize just how much Palestine has been through is a big reason why there is so much hostility towards the US in the region. 1,551 palestinians have been killed by Israelis since 1987, meanwhile 421 israelis have died in the same amount of time. Now every death is tragic! but our collective ignorance or just unwillingness to recognize the the Palestinians plight will not get us anywhere, and will do nothing to stabilize the region! We need to put ourselves in the shoes of the palestinians if only for a second! and imagine a nation coming to America claiming some 70% of it in the name of their God you don’t even believe in, and secluding us all to small ghetto pockets.. would you not be outraged? WE need to change our thought process and help the palestinians if there is to be any hope in the region! After all.. there is no more effective way to “stand with israel” then to offer them a peaceful Palestine!
Please glance at these two links.. if only for a minute.. look at the map in the second link too! very telling. and just try to imagine yourself as a palestinian!
http://israelipalestinian.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000639http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/mapstellstory.html
May this family find peace and love wherever they are now.

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- DefyTYRANNY
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 3:48pm
  One sided reporting?
  
  Funny how the left accuses the Right of “One sided reporting” and how they should provide opposing viewpoints, when they fail to do the same.
  
  That’s how we ended up with O’reilly giving a mouthpiece to liberals while calmly allowing them to get the last word in on every show, while if a conservative shows up on a leftist controlled media outlet they are used as a Pinata in a shoutdown match. Usually outnumbered 5 to 1.
  
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- TH777
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 3:50pm
  Palestinians bring it upon themselves. They could have peace with Israel but they don’t want it. It’s either their way or no way. Kind of reminds me of the democrat, liberal way of thinking.
  
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- john vincent
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 3:57pm
  keaton-
  
  1. Your daughter has a pet bird. It flies through an open door and accidentally crashes into a window, killing itself instantly. Your daughter is heartbroken
  
  2. Your daughter has a pet bird. Your neighbor breaks into your house, grabs the bird, breaks its neck in his hands, and gouges out the birds eyes, then cuts the bird in pieces; leaves a note saying ‘I did it, your neighbor,’ then has a party to celebrate the death of her pet bird.
  
  Do you think there will be a difference in your daughters anguish? Do you not think than no. 2. will present to her mind a greater sense of loss? Its was one thing for the bird to die, its quite another as to HOW it died, and for what reason, then to witness the ensuing acts of ‘victory.’
  
  It appears the media would have us believe that the Israelis killing Palestinians are no different than the little girls neighbor who killed her bird, when it fact it is more like ‘the bird flying into the window.’
  
  That said, a little context goes a long way, but I understand your desire to be ‘balanced.’ Our topic currently is to call attention to what ‘mom’ called below the Palestinian celebration of the most despicable acts committed. This is the difference.
  
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- Charbet
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 3:57pm
  There is no such place as Palestine. There are only squatters who the Israeli people have tried beyond belief to appease.
  
  God bless Israel!
  
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- tzion
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 4:03pm
  Your link is dead. But more to the point, you say Israel got 70% and the Palestinians got none? Jordan was included in the British mandate to Palestine and made up 70% of the region known as Palestine. This region was made into a independent Arab state in 1946 and prior to that had been sealed to all Jewish immigration for decades. So 70% of Palestine went to the Arabs, not the Jews. Prior to this, in 1937, the Peel Commission was the first to recommend a partition which, had its plan been implemented, would have allocated less than 10% of Palestine to the Jews. It was the Arabs, not the Jews, who rejected this plan. So in other words, the Arabs weren’t satisfied with 90%.
  
  The partition plan adopted by the UN split the remaining 30% evenly in half. Once again, the Arabs rejected the plan and lost a substantial amount of land in a war of aggression which they themselves described as “a war of annihilation”. A subsequent war to destroy Israel saw Israel nearly triple in size.
  
  As to your accusation that Israel’s only justification for existing is Biblical, there were Jews living in the region at the time in substantial numbers. Some had been there since long before any Arab. And the number would had been even higher if it wasn’t for the racist immigration policies of the British.
  
  In summary, it was the Arabs who received 70%, there are no “ghettos”, and there will be peace when the Palestinians want it.
  
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- TH777
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 4:30pm
  @Keaton666: I hear crickets! No come back??
  
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- The_Jerk
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 6:33pm
  DefyTYRANNY, very noticeable that you did not challenge any of the facts brought forward in the posting. That is a common tactic of an ideologue.
  
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- The_Jerk
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 6:37pm
  John Vincent, you and your daughter are forcibly removed from your home. They take your land. They take your business. The place you into walled off ghettos, complete with checkpoints.
  
  The difference between our stories is that yours is fiction, mine is reality for the Palestinians. You’d behave the same, legitimately.
  
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- The_Jerk
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 6:53pm
  Tzion, better check first.
  
  http://israelipalestinian.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000636
  
  http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Facts+About+Israel/Israel+in+Maps/1947+UN+Partition+Plan.htm
  
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- The_Jerk
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 7:21pm
  No nation in the Middle East kills more people than Israel.
  
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- tzion
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 7:30pm
  @Jerk
  I don’t understand the purpose of your link. Are you trying to help me? I said “substantial” not “majority” and the percentages support that.
  
  As for your “ghetto” accusation, last I checked it was Jordan and Egypt who first built up those borders. Moreover, a ghetto is closed in on all sides while Israel’s “wall” (which in reality is over 90% fence) only separates the Palestinian territories from the main part of Israel, leaving gaping holes miles across. As for the rest of your story, no one was forced from Israel into the territories in the after math of the 1967 war, the only houses that get bulldozed are those used by terrorists, and the checkpoints are not at all unlike a standard border crossing.
  
  And as for your accusation that we’d do the same, I need only cite the Warsaw ghetto to prove you wrong. At Warsaw the Jews, having truly been subjected to what you described and worse, took control over the ghetto and fought a defensive campaign to keep the Nazis from retaking it. No terrorism, no targeting civilians, and no conflict outside the ghetto walls. Hamas already has Gaza and could theoretically declare itself a state at any time and yet still they insist on murdering civilians.
  
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- The_Jerk
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 7:37pm
  Tzion, Gaza is a ghetto controlled by Israel. Just ask them.
  
  http://www.btselem.org/gaza_strip/gaza_status
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 7:42pm
  So out of character for Jihad Jerk to defend the murder of a 3 month old. Muslim appeaser and nazi wanna be. So weird Jihad Jerk would be on an Israeli thread, defending his Muslim buds. Again. And again and again. Sick pos is still just a pos.
  
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- tzion
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 7:42pm
  @Jerk
  “No nation in the Middle East kills more people than Israel.”
  
  That’s funny. Keatonc333 cited a source that estimated total casualties among Arabs throughout almost 100 years of conflict with Jews and Israel as just over 90,000, including military casualties. Meanwhile, Syria’s civil conflict, over a 2 year period, has already claimed over 50,000 lives. Add to that Syria’s actions in Lebanon, the wars with Israel, and those that died as a result of them funding Hezbollah, and Israel looks like a pacifist nation by comparison.
  
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- capelady
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 9:04pm
  Do you know the historical truth of the land of Israel? You do realize that the West Bank was named such by Jordan and for thousands of years was Judea and Samaria? You also realize, I hope, that there was never an independent Palestine and prior to 1948 it was the JEWS who were called Palestinians… by the 1960′s Yasser Arafat needed a label for the disparate groups of Arabs living in Israel for the sake of his propaganda and he chose “Palestinians”. If you disagree, tell me who was the Palestinian leader prior to Yasser Arafat? You do realize that when the Muslims controlled East Jerusalem there was no religious freedom or tolerance and the Jews were not allowed to pray at their ONLY holy site, the Western Wall of the Jewish temple! Recently, a leader of Hamas appeared on Egyptian television and announced that there is no “Palestinian” people – those in Gaza are Egyptians and Saudis, and those in the “West Bank” are Jordanian… they don’t even speak the same dialect. So, when you want to talk about one-sided reporting, you ought to consider that these facts are omitted or denied by the vast majority of world media outlets. Did you know that the oppressed Palestinians have shopping malls, swimming pools, and luxury hotels? They are not living in abject poverty, and if their political leaders did not take the billions of dollars they receive in aid and build bombs and buy missiles with them, their people would not suffer as they do.
  
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- capelady
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 9:04pm
  If you want to add some balance to your point of view, I recommend that you watch this, it is pretty powerful!
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTW59USStlk
  
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- tzion
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 9:47pm
  B’Tselem – The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories
  
  No chance their biased, right? Besides, every “violation” cited is declared a violation based on a treaty that the Palestinians broke first. Both the Crossing Agreement and the Oslo Agreement are invalid because the Palestinians have repeatedly failed to uphold any treaty they’ve signed. But of course a biased source such as that won’t mention such things.
  
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- AUsername
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 10:52pm
  the best thing we can do is leave the both of them alone, let them duke it out and when they get tired they will work something out, simple as that.
  
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- majasdad
  Posted on February 19, 2013 at 7:43pm
  Hi Keaton, very well said.
  But the figures you mention were unfortunately only from 1987 to 2000, during the first intifada.
  Here are the correct figures from 1987 to 2012:
  Palestinians killed 8184
  Israelis killed 1518
  
  http://israelipalestinian.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000639
  
  http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/mapstellstory.html
  
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garbagecanlogic
Posted on February 17, 2013 at 3:23pm
Takes a REAL man to shoot a baby. Probably shoots stop signs also.

Praise Be To Obama. Psalm 109:8

The U.N. Out Of The U.S.
The U.S. Out Of The U.N.

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- CobraBill
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 11:56pm
  Or to bomb a bus load of students on their way to school.
  Not to mention all the rockets fired into Israel.
  Soon as they even get close to a peace deal, rockets rain down from the shy on Israel.
  When you teach your children when they are very young to hate Jews and Christians. How will there ever be peace?
  Name one religion that Islam is not at war with? Come on just one, they are fighting everyone.
  This has been going on for a thousand years, what makes you think it can ever end?
  
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PIGSWILLNEVERFLY
Posted on February 17, 2013 at 3:19pm
Itamar is a very beautiful and rugged rural area. I am pleased that the family and friends are healing and remembering that tragedy can strike and so be alert to protect themselves from the hateful murderers that sneak about with treacherous blood-lust in their minds.

For the ignorant, unable to comprehend Legalities- get a clue before spreading propaganda and hate, you jerk. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub2x5UvjUs4
and
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/david-horowitz/why-israel-is-the-victim/

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AlaskaismyEden
Posted on February 17, 2013 at 2:13pm
To THE_JERK (and you truly are)

No one wants to see the Palestinians suffer, but they had the chance to make a land settlement time after time, and REFUSE. Their own government is killing more of them than the Israelis have. The surrounding Arab countries refuse them help. God have mercy on the innocent, but they have chosen their own path. They will NEVER regain the land given to the Jews, and should give up and settle for living in peace!

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- The-Monk
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 2:30pm
  Yep, what he just said…
  
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- momrules
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 3:06pm
  There is not a single Muslim country that will accept the Palestinians. They want them right where they are to be the perpetual *victims* of Israel while it is their their own hatred, greed and sloth that causes their problems.
  Israel has bent itself into a pretzel trying to live peacefully by them, giving them land, giving them money and aid. I hope Israel never backs down on their determination to say “No More.”
  
  God bless Israel.
  
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- Keatonc333
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 3:38pm
  MOMRULES… Actually Palestinians do get help.. not from governments but from the terrorists and extremist groups who are fighting for the plight of Palestine.. thats one of their main motivators.. as for Arab governments not assisting them, It has much less to do with wanting them to be victims. and MUCH MUCH more to do with the fear of ramifications against them.. Israel has an incredibly powerful army we have help supply. complete with Nukes, missiles, drones etc etc. Plus They fear A US War or invasion against their country.. If you take out the morality of the story it is very much a David and Goliath matchup.. except Goliath has enough fire power to destroy the earth dozens of times over. And most Arab nations who are strangled already by sanctions don’t want to mess with that!
  
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- momrules
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 3:58pm
  Wrong again Keaton………..do a little research on who gives money to the Palestinians. A simple Wiki search can get you started.
  
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- Keatonc333
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 4:19pm
  Wrong on what?
  
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- Keatonc333
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 4:20pm
  I was agreeing with you on your first point about the help of palestinians…. Its sad that you call me out for being wrong when i was echoing what you said!
  
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- DEFCON4
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 4:56pm
  Hey – Not a Monk,
  * Keep your Ignorant and repulsive remarks to yourself, Loser..
  
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- momrules
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 4:59pm
  The fake monk………..you are a vile disgusting troll probably on the payroll of HAMAS or just another of OCW.
  
  This creature just joined the Blaze today to soil the site with filth. Maybe the REAL Monk can do something about this hideous, Satanic creep.
  
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- john vincent
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 5:30pm
  @themonk
  
  any attack on ‘mom’ is an attack on her friends,
  therefore……………
  
  “in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth., begone…………’
  
  now lets wait for all the defenders of morality to pick you up out of the gutter
  
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- The_Jerk
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 6:55pm
  Momrules, not a single country would take the Jews in the 1940′s. So, what’s your point?
  
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- The_Jerk
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 6:59pm
  Momrules, when will you do as you ask. Address the American funding of Israel. It is massive compared to any funding that the Palestinians receive from anyone. Hypocrite?
  
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- tzion
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 7:34pm
  @Jerk
  Denmark fought to protect its Jews and Sweden accepted the Jews Denmark sent their way. Other countries accepted Jews but in number too small to have an impact.
  
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- tzion
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 7:47pm
  @Jerk
  And that money indicates the degree of US influence over Israel. After all, nothing in the world is ever free. America has repeatedly used its power and money to influence countries like Israel. History proves it. By the same reasoning, Iran gives money to Hezbollah and therefore controls Hezbollah.
  
  Or are you saying that Hezbollah is forcing Iran to give them money and weapons? Are they also forcing Iran to build nukes? What could their purpose be?
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 7:54pm
  Jiad Jerk you are a stellar pos.
  
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AUsername
Posted on February 17, 2013 at 1:51pm
what makes this murder so special to have an anniversary over, is it any more important than the corrie murder?

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- tzion
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 2:43pm
  @auser
  So stabbing an infant after killing both her parents and two siblings isn’t something disgusting enough to justify taking time to remember just how evil some people can be? But of course, you hate civilization so rampant murder and a lack of morals are things that we should all embrace as the norm, right? You are quite possibly the most arrogant, self-centered, uncaring person to ever post here. Is there anything that you care about other than yourself and that which directly benefits you?
  
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- AUsername
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 7:08pm
  actually i am against murder which is why i criticize cops and the troops when they do it. also i use logic to determine almost everything not morals. Also most people are only concerned with people and things that benefit them and that is the way things are.
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 7:43pm
  Ausername- Logic is nice and all but morality keeps humans from their sick ways as I said before. You claimed your against murder and yet sometimes the most logical thing is murder. You can’t always trust logic. Both morality and logic need to be side by side.
  
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- tzion
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 7:57pm
  @auser
  Murder has a definition that differs from killing. By definition, murder is the unjustified taking of someone’s life. A cop who shoots a 6-year-old for no reason has murdered while one who shoots a fugitive who resists arrest has not. A soldier who knowingly shoots civilians is guilty while one who shoots enemy combatants is not. That’s how logic works. But out of curiosity, what is the logical basis for not murdering someone? You see, from a logical standpoint, selfishness is a virtue because it guarantees your own survival. If you oppose murder it’s not because you think it’s wrong or harmful, but rather because you have determined that you are more likely to survive in a world where murder is illegal.
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 9:39pm
  Tzion- well said. Very well said. That’s the difference between logic and moralty. Logic doesn’t have a heart. It’s only pragmatic
  
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- AUsername
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 10:49pm
  logic behind not murdering someone? Blowback like maybe 9/11, maybe it wouldn’t have happened if we wouldn’t have invaded the middle east and murdered thousands or millions of people. If you just go around and take out people that didn’t do anything to you, you create more danger for yourself by people wanting to take revenge on you for your unjust action. Invading the middle east is creating more enemies for America than we would have had if we had left them alone and let them live under sharia law which they seem to like.
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 11:36pm
  Auser- If you just go around and take out people that didn’t do anything to you, you create more danger for yourself by people wanting to take revenge on you for your unjust action. Invading the middle east is creating more enemies for America than we would have had if we had left them alone and let them live under sharia law which they seem to like.”
  
  This is foolish. A) Millions of people didn’t die. Where are you getting your stats? Good grief.
  B) We hardly spent anytime in the middle East before 9/11. There was the Persian Gulf, that was really it. It was pretty much Al Qaeda seeing us as big satan, who was interfering in the middle east when as a matter of fact, we foolishly helped them defend against Russia. They saw us as the greatest infidels so they attacked. If you really believe we just go around murdering people in the middle east to get our jollies then you need to learn your history, mate. If you really think Al Qaeda deserves an ounce of sympathy think again. They butcher their own people without U.S. involvement. Once again, my sympathy jar has run dry.
  
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- tzion
  Posted on February 18, 2013 at 1:30pm
  Auser
  You talk as though if we ignore the Arabs they’ll leave us alone. However, submitting to their tactics will encourage them. It’s called positive reinforcement.
  
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john vincent
Posted on February 17, 2013 at 1:34pm
You cant read this article without having a large dose of empathy for the Fogel name- UNLESS, you hate Israel, and blame then for all societal depravation. The Palestinians are lauded as heros for sending this family to an early grave.

To be fair, there are those known jews such as Sarah Silverman, who bring a stain to the Jewish name, along the lines of the morally and spiritually bankrupt Bill Maher of USA fame. No nation is perfect obviously, but some are better than most, and the way in which the Israel family’s memory is dealt with is loud and clear as to who ‘tends to life.’

The Palestinians, they who are claiming title for what is not theirs, will always devalue life while claiming to be pious.

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- The_Jerk
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 1:51pm
  John Vincent, reading your words one can not escape the hypocrisy of your mourning for the dead Israeli families, while many more Palestinian families have faced the same. You see John, your hypocrisy is at the core of the problem.
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 2:00pm
  Oh look the Jerk shows up right on Q to bash Israel. It’s not Hypocrisy Jerk. This article was about a poor Israeli family who died and now it’s them we are feeling bad for. If some innocent Palestinian family got butchered by Israeli’s I would b sad for them too. But as far as I know no such story exists. So once again you show your irrational hate for Israel.
  
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- john vincent
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 2:29pm
  jerk-
  
  you have the chance here to show some humanity-
  your baseless and false charges are recognized by everybody who sees your name. Good job
  
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- tzion
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 2:38pm
  @Jerk
  What utter nonsense. How does mourning for one family’s tragedy in any way detract from one’s ability to mourn for that of another? Only you would use another family’s loss as reason not to mourn for the loss of life to a truly heinous crime.
  
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- tonypro
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 2:51pm
  @ thejerk
  Your anti-Israel, anti-Jewish spew will catch up with you.
  You will answer for it one day.
  
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- momrules
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 2:52pm
  Well said as usual John. The Fogel familiy was brutally butchered and the Palestinian celebration of that should sicken anyone with an ounce of humanity.
  
  The Israels are a strong, determined people. God bless them and I say one more time…………
  God bless Israel.
  
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- Keatonc333
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 3:44pm
  The jerk! You are right! death totals from 1920-2012… Israelis=24,526 Palestinians=90,785 and thats just an estimate from the “Jewish virtual library” could be even higher.
  
  http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/casualtiestotal.html
  
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- DefyTYRANNY
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 3:55pm
  Keaton – Take away the dead palestinians who were holding AK47′s, RPG’s, or grenades while shooting or blowing up Israeli’s. You might find those figures more even.
  
  Same as the “Gun Violence” death numbers where the gang members and criminals are added in with the list of “Victims”.
  
  Play your numbers games all day, no one is fooled by you.
  
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- Keatonc333
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 3:57pm
  DLV “If some innocent Palestinian family got butchered by Israeli’s I would b sad for them too. But as far as I know no such story exists.” We’ll no joke! You get your information from the Blaze, Israeli’s American propaganda tool, and Fox.. you don’t think those stories exist? check this out!
  
  http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/20/world/middleeast/gazans-mourn-dalu-family-killed-by-israeli-bomb.html?_r=0
  
  http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/19/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-conflict.html
  
  http://www.ifamericansknew.org
  
  Thats just a snow flake on the tip of the iceberg.
  
  and as for The jerk’s ‘Hate” of Israel. He made no such remark! Recognizing how many Palestinians have died does not make you hate Israel! Your thought process could use a bit of fine tuning! And Plus the Jerk made a great point! Until I see the blaze publish a story on the anniversary of the deaths of the Dalu family, in which israelis wiped out 3 generations in one single strike, thats 11 people, 4 of them between the ages of 2-6. But you will never see that story on the blaze! the only stories you see regarding palestinians paint them as barbaric aggressors. when the majority are not.. That my friend is the definition of Hypocrisy!
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 4:35pm
  keaton- there are plenty of problems with your statement. Where to begin…
  
  “.” We’ll no joke! You get your information from the Blaze, Israeli’s American propaganda tool, and Fox.. you don’t think those stories exist? check this out!”
  Okay well you are here too. so there is that. Are you trolling. But the more important thing is A) I have read bad things Israel does on the Blaze. B) I have seen and heard other stories you have here. IT literally changes nothing. Am I said palestinian families died? Yes. Are the Israelis perfect? No. But see here is the thing Israel is being attacked from all sides and their enemies are hiding out amongst the civilians. They literally can’t do anything without being demonized form the world. In war civilian casualties happen. But John Vincent is absolutely correct, it’s the way in which is done. A) The Israelis are never the aggressors, they just want to be left alone and these things happen because Hezbollah from Palestine launch rockets at them. B) Israelis never go in and butcher Palestinian families up close and personal. Are you seeing the difference here because it’s rather. This is why I’m always going to have more sympathy for Israel than these people. It’s like a bully constantly going after a kid, then suddenly the kid slugs him and the bully cries foul and everyone agrees with him. What gives? Wise up… Jerk is way out of line.
  
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- tzion
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 4:36pm
  @Keaton
  First of all, you misread the data. That 90,000 number isn’t Palestinians. That number represents total casualties among all Arabs, including invading Arab armies, terrorists, and civilian casualties. Do you understand the difference? To put that in perspective, 10,000 of those you cited were the casualties suffered by Egypt alone in the war of 1967. Take out the military casualties from 1948, 1956, 1967, and 1973 and the number drops by almost 50% and that’s just the big wars. (This does go both ways by the way)
  
  But on top of that where did the fighting occur? Did it happen when Hamas invaded Tel Aviv or did it Happen when Hamas cowardly launched attacks from inside Gaza city? Whenever you fight in a populated area (which Hamas always is very careful to do) civilians get hurt. So of course their casualties are higher the same way Nazi Germany suffered more casualties than the US in WWII.
  
  Thirdly, almost 2000 of those “Palestinians” killed, were killed by other Palestinians. I also see another 20,825 from the 1st war in Lebanon. How many does that leave?
  
  But the best data I can give you is the following: in the recent conflict, Pillar of Defense, Israel attacks over 1000 targets but killed less than 120 people, nearly half of whom were Hamas terrorists. By comparison, Jordan slaughtered over 2500 Palestinians in one month in 1970.
  
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- tzion
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 5:03pm
  @Keaton
  You cited a bomb that was dropped in response to a rocket attack? And as for that third link, that’s one of my favorites. Why? It is a perfect example as to why figures never tell the whole story. For example, that site lists the number of Palestinian children killed as 1516 and cites a source called Remember These Children. In this case though, by looking to the source we can gather more data because this source lists the names, ages, residence, and most importantly, the cause of death fro each child. Let’s look at it together shall we?
  
  http://rememberthesechildren.org/remember2000.html
  
  The first thing you might notice are the ages of these “children”. It would appear that the vast majority are between the ages of 12 and 17. The second point of notice in that the number one cause of death for those in this age group is “killed by IDF gunfire…at a demonstration”. Of the 91 listed for 2000, I counted 13 who weren’t killed at a “demonstration”, while throwing rocks, or while trying to stop a tank. Of those, two were killed by being hit by an Israeli “settler’s” car, and while some were shot, no details are given. 85% of those under the age of 18 killed in 2000 died at a “demonstration” or while conducting violent acts. That’s pretty telling.
  
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- tzion
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 5:14pm
  @Keaton
  Another thing, those “deaths” apparently include things like:
  23 March 2001: Isra Ahmad, 11, of Nablus, died at an IDF checkpoint when she was prevented from reaching a hospital.
  
  So victims of the conflict now includes deaths due to lack of medical treatment (which Israel isn’t obligated to provide) and those hit by cars if the driver lives in a “settlement”. Interesting how much information those numbers leave out.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 7:23pm
  Keaton
  
  If several Palestianians attack several Israelis and the Israelis fire back, to be fair should there be equal casualties on both sides?
  
  So when Patton attacked German troops to be fair, should there have been equal casualties on both sides. If that is you calculus, then there is not a word to describe your insanity.
  
  Most people would call killing more of them then they kill of you after they attack 1st a good day.
  
  DefyTYRANNY answered you very well.
  
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DefyTYRANNY
Posted on February 17, 2013 at 1:21pm
I expect the liberals to be in here dancing on the backs of the dead children any time now.

They’re really good at that.

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- The_Jerk
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 1:28pm
  All Israel, all day, everyday. Where are those same anniversaries for the Palestinian families killed by the Israelis? It’s really not all that hard to see the perpetual pro-Israeli propaganda.
  
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- TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 1:29pm
  The resident Jew haters and racists from the right fringe usually beat the rest of the left to the jig (not to mention the dance)…
  
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- DefyTYRANNY
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 2:20pm
  And bada-bing! We have a taker!
  
  I don’t even recall mentioning Israel, anti-Semite.
  
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- tzion
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 3:02pm
  “Where are those same anniversaries for the Palestinian families killed by the Israelis?”
  
  Well Jerk, I remember there being a memorial held on a college campus in the US for Palestinians killed in Cast Lead. But instead of just mourning the dead, the attendants were preached to about how Israel was guilty of war crimes. They politicized the deaths of innocents. And as if that wasn’t bad enough, when they ended the presentation with a list of children killed by “Israeli aggression”, they included all of the child soldiers who picked up guns against the Israeli soldiers.
  
  It’s amazing how the anti-Israel crowd can’t seem to do anything that doesn’t involve demonizing Israel. Meanwhile, the only Palestinians mentioned anywhere at this memorial were the two murderers, whose names weren’t mentioned. Nothing against Abbas’ refusal to negotiate, nothing about how many likely view the monsters who did this as heroes, and nothing about seeking vengeance. Today was about the victims and yet that’s not good enough for you.
  
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on February 17, 2013 at 1:06pm
From the Palestinian endosing Obama left to the old Ron Paul right… any past or current massacres of Israelis at the hand of Palestinians is nothing but a thang…

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- The_Jerk
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 1:29pm
  Killing Palestinians has never been a thang to ideologues.
  
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- TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 2:15pm
  I have no problem with the killing of certain Palestinian terrorists. Are all Palestinians terrorists? Of course not, so it’s up to them to reign in the bad actors eh?
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 7:58pm
  Not to jihad jerk. Anyone having issues w Jews or Israelis gets their boots licked by jihad jerk. Muslim bootlicker and aspiring aryan. Same crap day after day. Like OWS pukes, we are owned and controlled by 1%. Same nazi muslim crap everyday.
  
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progressiveslayer
Posted on February 17, 2013 at 1:02pm
I don’t understand why Israel allows the Palestinians to squat on their land,it’s been going on for far too long and it’s high time they eliminated their problem.

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- The_Jerk
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 1:30pm
  The Zionists are the squatters. Perhaps that’s the reason for your misunderstanding.
  
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- catty
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 3:59pm
  Um….
  
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Walkabout
Posted on February 17, 2013 at 12:56pm
Is The_Jerk celebrating? How about Meteors?

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- The_Jerk
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 1:32pm
  How about the oppressed Palestinians for who your selective and inconsistent morality does not apply ?
  
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- tzion
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 2:50pm
  Quite an accusation Jerk, especially considering you are the one not expressing sympathy for the Israelis who were murdered. Why don’t you stop pretending? We all know you couldn’t care less how many Palestinians died. All you care about is blaming Israel and the Jews for the deaths of said Palestinians. What most of us find to be a tragic reality you see as propaganda opportunity to spread your agenda. No where in this article was there any mention of the larger conflict or issues yet you couldn’t wait to demonize Israel simply because the family in question just happened to live there. You’re as bad as MSNBC.
  
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- TH777
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 2:51pm
  @thejerk: How about we have a right to our own opinions. Who made you judge and jury? If you disagree with the comments here at the blaze then go somewhere else. Oh that’s right, you’re a lefty and we know how they’re always looking for a fight. And you wonder why we always complain about lefty’s trying to take our freedom away from us. The only freedom you would love to allow us would be the freedom to always agree with your kind. Sorry, not going to happen!
  
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- Marms
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 3:32pm
  Palestine is a made up country. There is no such thing as Palestinians.
  
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- DefyTYRANNY
  Posted on February 17, 2013 at 4:00pm
  Hah. A lefty screaming “Selective and inconsistent” morality.
  
  See the supporters of Christopher Dorner currently justifying his murder of innocent people.
  
  Your rowboat was turned over before you opened your mouth.
  
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