The case of a 26-year-old Maryland man with Down syndrome who died last month in police custody after he was removed from a theater for refusing to leave a movie he had already seen has been ruled a homicide after an autopsy revealed he was asphyxiated.

Robert Ethan Saylor (Photo via Frederick News Post)
Frederick County Sheriff’s Office Cpl. Jennifer Bailey said Robert Ethan Saylor died on Jan. 12 after resisting arrest by three deputies at a Frederick movie theater. The Frederick News Post reported that Saylor, who was in handcuffs for refusing to leave or purchase another ticket, experienced a medical emergency and was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead.
The News Post reported former law enforcement officer Dr. George Kirkham, who is a professor of criminology at Florida State University, saying it seems Saylor might have suffered from positional asphyxia:
Positional asphyxia is typically the result of an intense struggle and often involves a person who is handcuffed and lying on their stomach after the struggle. Kirkham said people often panic and can’t catch their breath. People with larger stomachs are particularly vulnerable, he said, because their bellies will push into their sternums, making breathing even more difficult.
“People get into almost like a drowning swimmer panic, and they’re just fighting for their lives,” Kirkham said. “Their cardiovascular system is just going wild.”
Kirkham also noted to the News Post that the phenomenon is well-known and that those who are on drugs or who have mental issues might be more susceptible. Bailey told the News Post officers at the sheriff’s department are trained about positional asphyxia.
The officers involved remain on duty with the department while the investigation is underway. No charges will be made, if any, until the investigation is complete and the Frederick County State’s Attorney Charlie Smith has reviewed the details, the News Post reported.
According to Saylor’s obituary, he actually had a strong interest in learning about police and security agencies.
“More than anything, Ethan loved his family, his friends, his loyal and caring staff, and his cat Gracie (Fireball),” Saylor’s obituary read. “Ethan was a loved and cherished member of Damascus Road Community Church, where he participated in the men’s Choir. Ethan was known by the congregation as ‘the best hugger’ and was warmly embraced by all.”
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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FanoftheFounders
Feb. 18, 2013 at 7:47pmFrom a cop’s prospective: There are too many unknowns to this story to instantly pass judgement on the cops involved. First, did this man attack theatre security before they called police? Second, did they tell the cops that he had Down Syndrome? Was the theatre dark or well lit? When cops contacted him did he fight? Are the cops even the ones that cuffed him or was he cuffed when they arrived? I don’t know or work with any “Nazi offspring” as suggested above. Most the cops I know are conservative minded people that aren’t out to kill the innocent and I guarantee these guys weren’t standing around laughing as this man died. Frankly to those that passed judgement so quickly from a MSM report you are no better than the sheep (Obama supporters) you make fun daily in these pages. I would have figured you all were smarter than the garbage you posted above.
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V-MindMeld
Feb. 18, 2013 at 8:02pmOnly an ignorant moron” would not have noticed this guy had down syndrome,,,,,,,give me a freakn break already,,,,Im not a doctor of any sort, but can see in his picture he is different,,,,and so should have the cops in question,,,,,,,,,geez,,,,,,no excuses….its was excessive force upon a defenceless handicapped person.
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Warphead
Feb. 18, 2013 at 8:05pmI agree on one hand. They may have had no choice but to use force. On the other hand once the suspect is subdued and restrained the police are responsible for his safety. It is obvious that he is overweight so procedure for such arrests must be followed. Once restrained the suspect must be placed in a sitting position and his condition constantly evaluated. If they left the suspect face down & cuffed after a struggle knowing he is overweight then that is a deliberate disregard for the suspects safety. If the finding is indeed suffocation then all officers present are in some serious trouble. Sudden In Custody Death Syndrome is not something new. Officers are trained to prevent it. But I am only stating possibilities. An investigation hopefully will uncover and determine the truth.
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Obama_In_PeePee_Is_Becks_Art
Feb. 18, 2013 at 8:26pm“26-Year-Old With Down Syndrome Asphyxiated While Resisting Police Over Movie Ticket … has been ruled a homicide after an autopsy revealed he was asphyxiated.”
Another instance of “police acted stupidly”? No, they are trained to provoke and not back down.
So-o-o-o, how’s that whole Police-(standing army)-Department-thing working out for everyone? America’s Founders knew and greatly feared and warned us of it.
Past time to put an end to government thuggery and disband the police “standing army” departments.
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chips1
Feb. 18, 2013 at 8:31pmV;
He looks like John Pinette. John doesn’t have Downs Syndrome. Neither does Shiela Jackson Lee. So there!!!!
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WATER-THE-TREE
Feb. 18, 2013 at 8:35pmYou can’t let life or death get in the way of a policeman’s EGO! How dare you resist, even if you are retarded or whatever, especially over something as sacred as a movie ticket. Remember they are not human, they are the police!
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I_AM_HARRISON_BERGERON
Feb. 18, 2013 at 8:41pmThe panic situation is very real. However one passes out and relaxes well before asphyxiation occurs. It is then the responsibility of the officers to ensure the safety of an unconscious person in need of medical attention. It seriously appears that these officers failed to adhere to proper training at the least.
I won’t claim that these police officers acted out in anger or vengeance due to an uncooperative suspect, but is an all too common occurrence. It is imperative that police remain emotionally detached when performing their duties as hard as it may be. Judges, juries and justice are for the courtrooms. Enforcement of the laws is for the street, period!
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bumpkin
Feb. 18, 2013 at 9:09pmYour sticking up for your friends is admirable, but as a mother of an adult special-needs person, cannot omit reminding you that, if a person, handicapped or not, is treated with respect, and gently, BEFORE being strong-armed and attacked, much of this horror could be avoided. Did they try to understand him, or did they simply grab him, bark confusing orders at him, then v rough him up? Could they not have sat down on either side of him, and ask what was going on? Did they even consider what movie he just watched? Did it frighten him? Was he waiting for someone to pick him up? When we are under the blanket of fear, we cant process as well things that are difficult for us in the best of situations. Chest-beaters would just order him around and get rough if he didn’t comply “NOW!” I hope with all my heart that these officers each have the joy of parenting a handicapped child at some point, so they can fully understand how horribly they have acted, to the detriment of an entire community. There was NO need to murder him! NO excuse. Shame on you for trying to make it look like it might be the fault of the special-needs person! A person is ONLY responsible for that which s/he understands. A person CANNOT be held responsible for that with they do not understand! That is akin to jailing or murdering an infant for not being quiet after being ordered to do so by an adult.
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bumpkin
Feb. 18, 2013 at 9:30pmPlease, tell me WHY this likely-frightened (maybe of scenes in the movie?) person, just sitting there, would be shoved face-down on the floor if he isn’t displaying any threatening behavior to anyone? Why not just ask him a couple questions, then, if he doesn’t comply, just handcuff him (HORRIBLE!) if the cops are afraid of him, and one person on each side of him, walk him out to the lobby, then sit down with him and determine if he was told to wait there for someone to pick him up, or if he was too afraid to move, or if someone had threatened him , etc? WHY did they make him lie on the floor? That is (trying hard to not lose my ladylike behavior here) absolutely intolerable!~ OH, I hope with ALL my heart that these absolutely inhumane idiots are the prroud fathers of a handicapped child at some point, so they can FINALLY learn how horribly they acted! I am SO SAD for the family and friends of this young man! How hateful! Strong-arm tactics are absolutely the last thing these officers need to be using on Americans! Can you honestly tell me they felt he was a threat to them? Do they jump at their own shadows? I am furious over this. I am the mother of a special-needs person, and this is just too much. If our police, our PEACEMAKERS are terrorizing (special-needs or otherwise) people, then they need to have their brains ‘touched’ up. Did someone actually train them that this is responsible behavior? Is everyone a murderer to them? Dear LORD!
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muffythetuffy
Feb. 18, 2013 at 9:42pmNO ONE BELIEVES ANYTHING COPS SAY ANYMORE
You would have us all believe that you are all innocent little cub scouts with guns. You are really lawless armed thugs in blue uniforms who are as corrupt as the government you pretend to defend.
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ERP
Feb. 18, 2013 at 9:44pmFanoftheFounders
A cop would rape a woman and most of you fellow cops would still stand by him because of your “code”.
These “Police Officers” are either that ignorant or dirty. Either way a death sentence was carried out over a stupid movie ticket. Nice job.
This is why I will always have MORE respect for a soldier than a flat foot.
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Walkabout
Feb. 18, 2013 at 9:44pmI would like to kn ow more.
The deceased is one of the less obvious Down Syndrome people I have seen.
I bet he thought since he had a ticket he could see the movie until he was tired & wanted to return home.
I have seen some bad cop stories, but I’ll wait to pass judgment here (judgment only to inform my opinion).
My question is who was supposed to mind the deceased? Instead of a TV for a sitter they gave him a movie ticket. About the same difference.
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skunkbear
Feb. 18, 2013 at 10:12pmFANOFTHEFOUNDERS, “From a cop’s prospective…”
From a cop’s prospective, everyone is a threat to the Holy Law of Officer Safety Uber Alles.
Cry me a damn river. If Any LEO cannot grasp the idea that they are obviously dealing with a mentally challenged person then that LEO needs to get their sorry @ss outta the criminal justice (sic) system.
A punk with a badge is still just a punk.
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termyt
Feb. 18, 2013 at 10:22pmWhether the officers knew he had Down Syndrome or not is irrelevant. Whether he fought the police within an inch of their lives or not is irrelevant. The nature of his crime is irrelevant.
All of those things are relevant before the confrontation starts and during any prosecution, but once he is in custody and under control, there is simply no excuse to let him lay there and die. According to their own department, they were trained on how to handle this situation, and it seems they failed in the most spectacular way possible.
I hope the investigation is thorough and justice is done, whatever that may be.
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Bert in NY
Feb. 18, 2013 at 11:08pmThere were three cops there one of them was supposed to be watching him I would think. I just want to know how three cops And not one is watching their suspect?
he died for a $12 movie ticket. He must have had ID on him who to call, but ut it took three people to do that. Oh that poor family. I wonder if someone was supposed to be with him or Or maybe we can go for the first time on his own.
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PeteOH
Feb. 19, 2013 at 12:08amFan… The victim resisted arrest from three deputies. This happens because many cops become removed for concern because of their perceived immunity from any sort of meaningful consequence. Way too many times, cops have been recorded slugging a woman, tazing a 75 year old granny, shooting without cause and so on. For those of us who support police (and have many that are friends) matters like this make it very difficult to be supportive. There needs to be more recourse. Cops can’t be above the law, kill a suspect, say “oops” or “officer safety”.. With either excuse, you are in the wrong line of work! God bless this poor young man… Struggled through life just to be killed by the very people who are supposed to protect him, over a friggin’ movie ticket!? Let’s see what happens to the cops if this proves to be true.
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tyuchic
Feb. 19, 2013 at 12:20am“to serve and protect”
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DarkJello
Feb. 19, 2013 at 12:25am@fanofthefounders:
We all need to wait for more details. Don’t be so quick to judge the comments of others. They are outraged at what appears to be, at first blush, a major screw-up by the boys in blue. And if he died in police custody, they will/should be found culpable to some degree. Time will tell.
Thoughts and prayers with the family.
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sweetieboat
Feb. 19, 2013 at 12:41amThe police should have been able to recognize Down Syndrome, it is their business to deal with people. In compassion any of those policemen could have bought him a ticket.
I have a disabled son and he exchanged a battery for another battery of the same price. He did not know the procedure for exchange and just put the battery he bought on the shelf and got the battery he wanted. Wal Mart called the police, but the person at Wal Mart began to understand that John was not understanding and did not mean to steal and stopped the police from taking him. The police did not want to let my son go. I called them and found out they were not educated as how to deal with persons of limited ability to learn. they police argued that knowing how to deal with persons with disability was not their job and they did not need to have instruction on how to deal with persons with disabilities. I don’t know how my son would have dealt with being in a enclosed environment and am thankful to the person at Wal Mart for noticing the disability. As far as I am concerned ARC could have been called to deal with the young man.
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FOREIGNANDDOMESTIC
Feb. 19, 2013 at 1:58amEven if the cops weren’t told this man had DS, are they so stupid they can’t tell a person is cognitively impaired? What’s THEIR IQ? 70? Moreover, the young man’s death has been ruled a homicide, so why haven’t these jackbutts been suspended?
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betterpart
Feb. 19, 2013 at 3:35amDitto that, fan, and well-said.
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rambosharley
Feb. 19, 2013 at 6:10amI need to know more about this, Was here there alone? Was he just sitting there not bothering anyone? Couldn’t the police see that they were dealing with a mentally challenged person?..Was the movie soldout? Was taking a seat from a person that paid for their ticket?
When I was young we use to buy a ticket for the movie we wanted to see, watch it, go to the restroom, and go into another movie without paying for that ticket. If it wasn’t soldout noone ever knew! I don’t understand why they used that type of force on him! Something isn’t right!
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redfish52
Feb. 19, 2013 at 6:11amReally…..this nitwits couldn’t tell this guy had downs….unbelievable. Well that’s why they are cops…because they’re stupid…
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redfish52
Feb. 19, 2013 at 6:36amJust curious…where the police officers black?
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averageman
Feb. 19, 2013 at 7:15amHorses–t! Get real! Their are many PIGS in the modern police force. As long as the good cops, as I assume that YOU are, defend thug, brownshirt, THUGS in your ranks, you are all in danger. When the public as a whole fear you, we are all in trouble. OATHKEEPERS.ORG
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tommyr
Feb. 19, 2013 at 7:43amThere is a shift in how the police are now perceived. It used to only be a certain class of folks, but now most see that the police function as a overly aggressive bunch of thugs and a source of revenue for the state writing minor traffic violations that should never be written.
You cops went along with your politician pals for money. You made your bed. No one likes you anymore. If I saw a cop being assaulted today, I would just drive by and ignore.
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Sir_Templar
Feb. 19, 2013 at 8:07amCan you not see this photo and see this young man had special needs? My God. A Police Officers job is to protect and to serve, not detain and asphyxiate a downs syndrome young man I am sure with the mind of a child. What the hell law did he break? He paid for the ticket to watch the movie, I don’t care if he sat there for 24 hours to watch that movie, he paid for it, did he not? I have a lot of respect for the police, but in this case, they would be off duty without pay until the outcome of an investigation and eventually a civil trial. I wish for once someone, somewhere would use some damn COMMON SENSE. This story is INFURIATING and there is no excuse.
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redfish52
Feb. 19, 2013 at 8:31am@Fan….ok, you love cops…we get it…but you are dead wrong on this one. Three men hold down a person that noticeably has downs syndrome until he dies…pretty cut and dry if you ask me. Cops are not perfect…we also get that. But when they are let off the hook for their misdeeds we are just supposed to say…oh well. I also know some police officers…one of which has always had a huge I’ve got a badge and gun ego.
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The_Fifth_Column
Feb. 19, 2013 at 8:35amYour right. You can’t paint this one with a broad brush. There will be an investigation, and the facts will come out. More than likely, there are numerous witnesses. Sad story.
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beenaround
Feb. 19, 2013 at 9:00amOh please – Any person with half a brain would know the young man has a cognitive disability. Typical cop attitude – blame everyone else for your actions – make excuses for your brutality. People with cognitive disabilities don’t make or process choices like typical persons. The cops overwhelming demand for compliance caused this mans death. They could have easily defused the situation if they left the attitude and disrespect at home.
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lefty5005
Feb. 19, 2013 at 9:18amFrom my few observations of cop behavior I find they incite, bully and challenge perps. That is fine for some violent offender with a record but not for a young man with the intelligence of perhaps a elementary school student. Should they have done this to your 8 y/o boy because he was pushing another boy who was bullying him, handcuff, put him in a choke hold and “kill” him. The situation was handled inappropriately and they cops should be fired and possibly prosecuted. Like Harvey Keitel said “someone has got to go to prison” an it maybe it should be them.
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SocialistSlayer
Feb. 19, 2013 at 9:46amHey Liberals – — – Proud of your Gestapo Police State now???
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krenshau
Feb. 19, 2013 at 9:54amWhen will you cops get it through your thick skulls that we, the public, do not want people getting killed or beaten over non-violent infractions. If you can’t handle a person without killing them, then you are completely incompetent as a police officer and a human being. Here’s a clue. Learn to use your words like a big boy. Yelling and screaming commands is not always necessary, but it seems like the only thing you (cops in general) know how to say before physically assaulting a person.
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theaton
Feb. 19, 2013 at 11:00amI’m tired of people giving cops a break for everything. Cops are no longer assigned to protect and serve, they are assigned to search and destroy. It’s our fault, we’ve let it come to this. We’ve earned evertyting that is being done to us.
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Sayre
Feb. 19, 2013 at 11:12amI can only speak for where I live and worked in EMS for 9 years. In Iowa, law enforcement is trained in Basic Cardiac Life Support, in how to determine if a person is drunk or has fruity breath and is acting drunk due to diabetic ketoacidosis. They are also trained in the dangers of positional asphyxia. These cops should have recognized the downs syndrome, his weight and build. From what I’ve read here, this is not an intentional outcome, not manslaughter as I don’t see any criminal intent, but it very well may be a case of wrongful or negligent death. There likely will be some ambulance chaser out there pining for a third of this action.
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TEOTWASWKI
Feb. 19, 2013 at 12:04pmOnly an ignorant moron” would not have noticed this guy had down syndrome,,,,,,,give me a freakn break already,,,,Im not a doctor of any sort, but can see in his picture he is different,,,,and so should have the cops in question,,,,,,,,,geez,,,,,,no excuses….its was excessive force upon a defenseless handicapped person.
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Exactly, anyone can see this guy had downs , these jerk A$$ clowns need to go to jail. I’m tired of police acting like the gestapo then receiving a slap on the hand. I agree most cops are decent people, they should be the first to demand ASSHATS like these be held accountable.
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omgfolks
Feb. 19, 2013 at 12:09pmThe LEO’s in question should have all been arrested since this has been ruled a homocide, not arresting them and following standards for any citizens in a similar situation shows the public that police are above the law. Allowing them to remain on duty during the investigation is equally damaging to the LEO image in this country. This is a tragic incident which should be investigated by someone other than the Police themselves. If any other citizen were involved you can bet that they would be arrested and incarcerated until the investigation either clears them or they are found guilty. Why are these LEO given special consideration in this obviously avoidable tradegy?
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GetRight
Feb. 19, 2013 at 12:32pmI wondering why they would arrest him anyway! He was being arrested for not buying a movie ticket and refusing to leave. He was most likely confused because he had seen the movie already, probably didn’t understand that he had to pay to see it again. Poor guy was terrified! Why not just pay for his ticket and then talk to his parents so they can explain to him what happened and why he has to pay for movies. Also, ridiculous for the theater to overreact and call the police on an obviously mentally handicapped boy. He was probably a frequent customer and they could have resolved it in another way. But where were his parents anyway? He shouldn’t be at the movies alone.
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Yoach
Feb. 19, 2013 at 2:05pmI’m happy that you have yet to have the misfortune to have a run in with the type of copy many of the rest of us have. The type of failure in life that uses a badge and a uniform to overcome his pathetic existence. The type that immediately escalates things to a 10 if you dare do anything but cower to his authority and every command. And God help you if you question him. You’ll be spitting teeth and be charged for “resisting arrest” just for his and his co-conspirators good laughs.
Do I know good cops? Sure. But I have seen first hand how cops default position is to protect their own no matter how many times the same accusation is made against one of theirs.
If your a cop and you can’t tell this kid is challenged within a minute, you aren’t fit for the job.
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armyofnibiru
Feb. 19, 2013 at 2:25pmI didn’t know until now that handcuffing and then being held to the ground by 6 cops with their knees in your back preventing you from breathing,is actualy your fault because you have a big belly.I thought that 6 cops holding you down with their knees while your handcuffed prevented you from breathing and punching you in the back of the head had something to do with it.but nooo.the police are being militarized and led away from the constitution.so they won’t be bothered when they kill people.
like oblameO said,a police force as strong as the military(trained to kill people and brake thing not to arrest),and listen to the orders of potus not the constitution.of which they swore an oath to,not potus.
good by to the united states constitution,and hello to the USSA.sic.
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armyofnibiru
Feb. 19, 2013 at 2:36pmand the first people killed by hitler were the ones he considered,useless eaters.the handicapped and the mentaly ill.this falls right in line with that.
the left in this country agrees with this stuff.the jews were second.
fema was created in 1933 so the government could deny peoples of asian,german and italian decent their god given rights and taken away by the democrats and put into concentration camps here in america.
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jefftavolieri
Feb. 19, 2013 at 5:03pmReading comments on stories like this on the blaze is always an interesting lesson in doublethink. Rabid pro-gun, anti-government, pro-cop people don’t really know what to make of it.
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TexVet61
Feb. 20, 2013 at 12:49amI wasn’t there either, but most cops I have seen could care less if someone is fighting for their breath, heart attack or whatever, they are cops after all, protected by unions and almost NEVER get in trouble, above the law and all of that. I used to be a tow truck driver in Dallas and got to hear all of their war stories about throw down pieces, and how they beat the piece of **** etc… I will admit that they have a tough job, but a lot of them have small dick syndrom and if they were on the true battlefield where people could give a **** about you and everyone you encounter is trained killers with big automatic weapons, most would piss themseves because their unions wouldn’t be able to save their necks. my point is just because someone is fighting, doesn’t mean he is FIGHTING them, but maybe, just maybe trying to stay alive, if the cop gave a **** instead of laughing it off calling the perp a POS they would have found the man couldn’t breath. I say they go to jail for murder, but most likely, UNION will get the off. the wost criminal is the one with a badge, who do you go to when they are on your trail? cops, protect cops, PERIOD
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Gargent_Furball
Feb. 18, 2013 at 7:46pmSo Congratulations you moron police officers, You killed a kid. Be proud. Safety first my fanny.
Whats next, My AR 15 ?
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Crosswalk777
Feb. 18, 2013 at 7:41pmRemember the cop that bought the homeless guy shoes when no one was looking. If these cops were decent the 3 of them would have pitched in add purchase a ticket for this helpless human being. Instead they cuff him and he died. Says a heck of a lot about their character (lack of) if you ask me.
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chips1
Feb. 18, 2013 at 8:07pmIt wouldn’t have cost the theater a dime to let him stay, either. Your just a cop hater. Why didn’t you buy him a ticket? When was the last time you paid for a strangers meal or movie ticket? DORK!!!! I remember in my childs elementary school they had a bicycle rodeo. Some kids were poor and didn’t have a bike. I took the patrol car to the bike shop and couldn’t decide on a girls or boys bike so I bought one of each and 10 helmets. Gave them to the Principle to give to a poor family. It’s what Americans do. That’s why the U.S. is the greatest.
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skunkbear
Feb. 18, 2013 at 9:55pmCHIPS1, “I took the patrol car …”
Ah yes, you are indeed a member of the thug scrum. You also posted that “He looks like John Pinette.”
No he does not. Not at all.
Your cop mind set is why LEOs are held in such contempt. Your comments help prove that the argument that there are only a few bad apples within law enforcement is bunk.
No matter how viscous or idiotic a LEO’s behavior is the police will ALWAYS circle the wagons and defend the cop’s actions – unless it is a “rogue” cop like Dorner whose biggest crime was not going after the mundanes but rather for targeting other member’s of the blue tribe.
Cops are punks, State sanctioned punks and nothing more.
Although I am surprised and yet oh-so-glad to see this murder might actually be prosecuted.
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skunkbear
Feb. 18, 2013 at 10:02pmCHIPS1, “When was the last time you paid for a strangers meal or movie ticket? DORK!!”
I have paid for a stranger’s meal more than once. But not once have I ever murdered a mentally challenged man, let alone because he was confused about purchasing a ticket for a movie!
Seriously, you are insane.
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Crosswalk777
Feb. 18, 2013 at 10:38pmChips1 That’s really odd for you to make these accusations. “Your just a cop hater. ……” I’m a Sherriff’s Chaplin in my state and have a lot of police officers as friends. I happen to know firsthand that not all cops are good though.
Then you pile on your ignorance by saying “Why didn’t you buy him a ticket? When was the last time you paid for a strangers meal or movie ticket?” I’m a pastor, I do that kind of stuff for all the time and did before I was a pastor as well. I would have been happy to buy him the ticket if given the opportunity. That is why I zeroed in on it.
Then you added to your embarrassment by calling me a… “DORK!!!!” You need to get some counseling. You are a mess.
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lefty5005
Feb. 19, 2013 at 9:27amCHIPS, you are part of the problem, not part of the solution. Cops treat everyone like they are some ghetto street thug with a violent arrest records a mile long. A person gets a traffic ticket and some twenty something grills the person in a condescending manner and treats them with disrespect. Write the damn ticket and get lost, it’s bad enough as it is the fine is totally unreasonable and cops are mostly tax collectors anyway, especially when on traffic duty. I personally don’t need a police officer, I can protect myself and my family and have a CCW. Most of the time cops screw up the situation rather than resolve the issue.
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Stewie
Feb. 18, 2013 at 7:33pmHe resisted arrest to the degree that he wound up on his face with his hands cuffed behind his back. The obituary stated that he was interested in law enforcement and security, so don’t tell me he didn’t understand most of what was going on and what he was expected to do when confronted by persons of authority.
If he was in fact one of the theater’s most frequent customers, then he should have been well aware of the rules. If not, then he should not have been considered functional to the point that he was allowed to be without immediate supervision.
It gets me that handicapped folks, emotional, behavioral, learning, physical, etal. and their advocates demand that they be treated equally in all aspects of everyday life but then at EVERY opportunity that presents itself – usually innocent and merely inconvenient – they’re the first ones that demand special consideration for their particular situation and cry abuse, prejudice, or brutality.
It’s a shame that this young man was placed into this situation by people who were otherwise responsible for his social, behavioral, and physical well-being.
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chips1
Feb. 18, 2013 at 7:42pmSTEWIE:
You, Sir, have read quite a bit. Not many common sense posts show up on these stories. My hat is off to you. There have been more bodies in the U.S. then in Nam. And that’s alot.
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Verceofreason
Feb. 18, 2013 at 7:44pmIt was ruled a homocide.
Get off your soapbox.
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V-MindMeld
Feb. 18, 2013 at 7:45pmWell you sure seem to draw up conclusions based on a vague description in this article. How do you know what the extent of his so called resisitance was???? Did he say i just want to see it again officer”…and then wham! out come the nite sticks, handcuffs and all,,,,,,,,,see you dont know that! so shut the **** up and till you have all the facts….most peanut type cops are just looking for some poor civilian to prey on with excessive force. I hope they get there Azzez sued big time!
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orkydorky
Feb. 18, 2013 at 8:48pmStewie, my my, don’t you think it might have been a little overKill. The man is dead! What the hell is wrong with you?
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skunkbear
Feb. 18, 2013 at 10:32pmSTEWIE, “He resisted arrest to the degree that he wound up on his face with his hands cuffed behind his back. The obituary stated that he was interested in law enforcement and security, so don’t tell me he didn’t understand most of what was going on and what he was expected to do when confronted by persons of authority.”
“He resisted arrest to the degree that he wound up on his face with his hands cuffed behind his back”. You have got to be kidding me! An obviously mentally challenged person cannot grasp the concept of arrest let alone being arrested for something he cannot understand as being wrong.
“The obituary stated that he was interested in law enforcement and security, so don’t tell me he didn’t understand most of what was going on and what he was expected to do when confronted by persons of authority.”
I sure as @ell will tell you “he didn’t understand most of what was going on…” What part of mentally challenged do you not understand?!
He wanted to be involved with law enforcement only because that is what is promoted in our sick society as being the most noble. And it certainly is not!
“…confronted by persons of authority.” What goes through the demented mind that worships so-called “authorita…”
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Leveraction3030
Feb. 18, 2013 at 10:39pmStewie I understand your comments.
The other side to this is the recent killings by the “mentally ill.” All over the press and internet people are saying we need to deal with the mentally ill. Well we used to keep them under lock and key behind closed doors to protect them and society. Then along came the progressive liberals and mental hospitals were closed one after the other. Many were released to be housed back at home, in group homes or out on the streets by themselves so Libs could all feel good. Then they were put into public schools as “special education” students. That was not good enough so they had to be mainstreamed with others. That has not worked but Libs must push on. Now we are hearing it is time they were equal on the sports fields to feel better and equal.
This to be is more insane then the insane liberals pushing for all this. I have experienced mental illness in my family and that person was in a hospital and stayed there until they passed away because they could not function in society. Granted that was years ago(1940′s -1980′s) but I could never imagine that person being sent home or out into society. Some people just can not handle the outside world and due to their illness they need to be in a safe place to protect them and others. We have all seen the bad results of mental illness outside. Sandy Hook, Aurora, and on and on and on.
Yet the Libs still want them to be full members of this society yet we in no way can predict when they may snap.
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TexasKnight
Feb. 18, 2013 at 10:59pmThanks Stew, you posted pretty much what I thought.
And before anyone jumps me, please understand i have mentally retarded cousin. My wife has worked running a home for the mentally retarded.
If he was to the point of not being able to understand simple commands by security, and then by the police, why was he there by himself?
I feel for the police who have to live with this man dying under their watch. They have a difficult job, made even my difficult by libs demanding that they dont do their jobs. I used to respect cops, now I just pity them. They are now in a thankless job overseen by politically correct fools. God help them.
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FOREIGNANDDOMESTIC
Feb. 19, 2013 at 3:20am@STEWIE
don’t tell me he didn’t understand most of what was going on
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I’m telling you, DUMMY, he did not understand most of what was going on.
“…he should not have been considered functional to the point that he was allowed to be without immediate supervision.”
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A health aide was there. You want people with DS to be caged like animals? Hey, let’s just euthanize them, so we don’t have to deal with the nuisance.
“He resisted arrest to the degree that he wound up on his face with his hands cuffed behind his back.”
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“Resisted arrest?” OK, DUMMY, call it what you want. Bottom line, he suffocated because those three deputies who were moonlighting as security guards are extremely ignorant, like you. Get an education.
CHIPS, what’s gotten into you? Stop ranting, dude.
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lefty5005
Feb. 19, 2013 at 9:37amStewie and CHIPS are having a nice gay moment. You guys should meet up or better yet get married. Both of you have proved you cannot fathom the situation when confronted and are probably not very good cops. Stewie, mentally handicapped people don’t cry for equal rights, they are unable to and this person had Down’s Syndrome, a chromosomal congenital abnormality the renders the person mentally handicapped, “short” in stature, usually overweight or obese and with multiple medical conditions not limited to heart, kidney’s, eyes and hearing. They do not live as long as most normal adults with their hearts giving out or failing after 40 years of age. A down’s person is as obvious as a cop’s crappy attitude once you approach and speak with them. The 3 perpetrator’s must have missed the class the department stated they attended on dealing with these types of person’s or most likely, could not absorb the content due to intellectual failings of their own. If a person is “not” armed, there is no reason they should end up dead…period. The cops failed and should be prosecuted for involuntary manslaughter, badges yanked.
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TEOTWASWKI
Feb. 19, 2013 at 8:07pmchip
you are the problem, you and cops like you, it’s always you against everyone else, nothing is ever your fault you make me sick
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jungle J
Feb. 18, 2013 at 7:31pmThe progressive jump on this one..
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Warphead
Feb. 18, 2013 at 7:30pmThis is known as In Custody Sudden Death Syndrome. I was taught this 10 years ago. All law enforcement officers should be trained in how to prevent it. It usually happens to overweight people. Like the story says, the added weight, being handcuffed and lying face first will cause this. I was trained that once the suspect is restrained that he/she should be placed in a sitting position and condition evaluated. A further precaution would be the use of two sets of handcuffs. Each set is connected end to end, in effect doubling the length allowing stress to be alleviated from the abdominal & chest areas as the arms are not pulled back so far. If ICSD is the cause of the his death then the officers are in some very serious trouble. Something else that could have possibly lead to his death is the feeling of being suffocated. When this happens the suspect will increase their struggle to a level that appears to be that of someone enraged to the point of going berserk. That is not the case. It is the sensation of suffocating that drives the suspect to appear berserk when in actuality it is the instinct to survive coupled with terror and shear panic that has taken over. I have experienced this, it is horrifying. You can’t speak because you cannot get enough air. By his appearance it is obvious that he has Down’s syndrome. I wasn’t there and therefore can’t judge but it doesn’t look good for the cops. A little more talking and less “you must comply” might have averted a tragedy.
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Sharon Rose
Feb. 18, 2013 at 7:27pmAnd this happened where? In one of the blue, blue states. Those cops are programmed libs, just like most of the citizens there
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ChiefGeorge
Feb. 18, 2013 at 7:41pmMerryland!
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KevINtampa
Feb. 18, 2013 at 7:20pmCops are not enforcing the law. If cops were to enforce the law many would be required to place themselves under arrest.
The officers here should be charged with murder an a jury of the people should decide if they broke the law, not a panel of internal affairs officers.
To argue cops are not above the law is disingenuous these days.
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RabbiDRJerkins
Feb. 18, 2013 at 7:25pmShalom,
Police are not alone in this. Have you taken a look at our elected officials lately?
Prostitution, pedophilia, perjury, treason, funding terrorists… all with ZERO accountability, and these are just some of the things that they openly admit to, who knows what goes on behind closed doors?
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ChiefGeorge
Feb. 18, 2013 at 7:45pmThey often over do it because they are so anxious to put their training to use in any given situation. I feel for this kid and his family. No one should die over a movie ticket. If you sit on someone, of course they are going to struggle its natural and unavoidable. The more you struggle against the pain they inflict, the more they pile on until you stop. Well they stopped him alright so I guess the training was effective. Good job Frederick PD.
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propel7
Feb. 18, 2013 at 7:55pmAccountability is on it’s way Rabbi. As Enoch foretold, they shall be REMOVED. If you were not aware, “War in Heaven” began from the Temple Mount on the 28th day of 2011. God will not spend more than 7 years to accomplish the removal of the dragon from heaven. A couple of hours research will provide the CLEAR videos that have not yet been obscured by the seed of the serpent. New color filtering of this event shows the similarity with 5,000 year old Sumerian and Egyptian depictions of the winged discs/fallen angels. Angels in this form do have as it appears wings and appear as flames of fire, just as Enoch describes. Only this one was Michael.
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NO_MORE_OBAMA
Feb. 18, 2013 at 7:19pmOf course the PIGS killed this poor man. They should go to jail for life.
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fastgen1
Feb. 18, 2013 at 7:16pmProtect and serve, and cover your arss’s…
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beenaround
Feb. 18, 2013 at 7:06pmMay God bless his soul and he rest in peace. My prayers are with him and his family.
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AUsername
Feb. 18, 2013 at 7:02pmi suppose the son of nazis have the same belief that their nazi ancestors had about the mentally and that they should be killed and wiped off the earth, scary those folks are in our police force.
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showmerancher
Feb. 18, 2013 at 7:00pmThis is in Maryland. I just read on CNS News where a Maryland congresswoman says Maryland will be destroyed by Global Warming. Problem solved. (I couldn’t find a downside to that other story anyway.)
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beenaround
Feb. 18, 2013 at 7:00pmPolice are such douches and should never be trusted. They have such an attitude problem that it makes a person sick. This isn’t the first time police thugs have killed someone with a disability. I home they are charged with homicide.
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Legion5
Feb. 18, 2013 at 6:59pmWhy is there no mention of this young mans family? I would think that someone from the family or his care giver would be present and help to keep this young man safe not only form himself but more importantly from those who refuse to understand that he does not think like everyone else and just wanted to see the movie again. Big deal and I think the officers and the theater should be held accountable for failing to understand the situation with him and did a piss poor job resulting in murder. I sure hope the family files charges against the officers, the department and the theater for murder and wrongful death.
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Beachmastermax
Feb. 18, 2013 at 7:11pmProbably an accidental death. But there may be negligence involved. That can bring on some serious charges.
But more than likely, only the taxpayers will be punished.
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Beachmastermax
Feb. 18, 2013 at 6:52pmBet Saylor was one of the theatres best customers. He probably bought a ticket for every movie the theatre ran. Once he had seen them all he probably did not want to leave. The manager most likely made a terrible business decision by not comping him another movie.
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DeadBuffalo
Feb. 18, 2013 at 6:48pmI worked in a movie theater in college and none of us working at that time would have tossed a handicapped kid for watching a flick twice without buying an additional ticket. Current movie theater employees were probably upset that Obama’s holly-wierd buddies were being stolen from by that kid.
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loriann12
Feb. 18, 2013 at 7:06pmAlthough I don’t have that problem at a theatre, my 22 year old Down’s son will watch the same movie over and over and over and……Although I’m with the other poster in wondering where his family or care giver was. This is why I don’t let him have a peer buddy that takes him to the theatre, or bowling….I’ll do it myself.
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orkydorky
Feb. 18, 2013 at 7:25pmI’m wondering if he had came in late and wanted to watch what he had missed. It’s just appalling to think that It took three deputies to restrain and kill this young man. The sheriff should be very proud of these guys and give them a recommendation. Just what would these lawmen call reasonable force?
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mellowlady
Feb. 18, 2013 at 6:41pmThey should have just tasered him and then told him “Run from the bees, run outside, get away from the bees.” that would have solved the problem.
I’ve had theater cops follow me when I sneak into another matinee movie. They’ve even called the city police. Yeah right, what a waste of tax payers money.
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LeadNotFollow
Feb. 18, 2013 at 6:40pmNow days, it seems like the police are the ones to fear, more so than the criminals.
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team1blazer
Feb. 18, 2013 at 6:40pmWHY are they still on duty after murdering an innocent? Oh yeah, it’s Merry Land.
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chips1
Feb. 18, 2013 at 6:35pmWhere was his warning label? Where were his parents? Didn’t anyone care enough to protect a disabled person from himself? Did anyone send the police a notification that he should be handled in a special manner because he is unable to care for himself?
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beenaround
Feb. 18, 2013 at 7:04pmKinda ignorant comment. People with disabilities are entitled to live as typical and independent life as possible. Don’t question the parents motives – he may have been living in a group home etc. It’s the cops that need to be severely questioned and punished for their behavior.
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neidermeyer
Feb. 18, 2013 at 7:15pmHe’s 26 not 6 , It seems like he’s functioning at a young teen level … I’m not going to toss the parents under the bus for letting him go to the theater alone … Downs syndrome people need to grow too … and it used to be that they were recognized and people treated them gentler ,, truth is since testing became common and so many are aborted most people just don’t know anyone affected… the correct response would have been to call his parents not the police ,, the police are nobody’s friend , they have one purpose , inflict criminal or financial punishment.
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chips1
Feb. 18, 2013 at 7:32pmIt is a simple thing to go to the movies. Everyone needs to buy a ticket for each showing. It appears this was a little over his head. In addition, All persons are handcuffed behind their backs with their wrists facing outward. Bad people are everwhere and police want to go home at night. There are exceptions to every rule, such as pregnant women, in which case handcuffing in the front is an option. It’s up to the discretion of the officer. These guidlines were developed from the mistakes made by officers that have been injured or killed from small mistakes. Police are not out there for the pleasure of being a target by any abnormal citizen. This is just one of many people that have died while lying in the back seat of a patrol vehicle. It just happened to be a story that the news never bothered to read before and want to kick the ant hill. It sells news.
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Xylliab_of_the_Znarghh
Feb. 18, 2013 at 8:45pmbeenaround
Why do the police need to punished? If this guy was thought to be independent enough to go to the movies by himself like anybody else, and independent enough to be allowed to eat enough to endanger his own life like anybody else, then he doesn’t get a pass from having to follow the same rules as everybody else.
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JusticeAngel
Feb. 19, 2013 at 12:35amCHIPS1 You are a MORON and an ignorant Idiot. Do you really think we are stupid enough to believe that you are a police officer? You are a wanna be don’t come on here blaming the parent or care takers put Blame where it belongs The Police Killed him and why because there Morons like you. No kind of mentality. My advice to you is get a LIFE if you have nothing nice to say “Have a cup of shut the F-up” The Police take an oath to Protect and Serve instead they abuse there authority and cover it up it’s done All The Time and Everywhere. At STEWIE you are another Whack Job Moron but then again you and Chips1 are more than likely the same person. My heart goes out to the family.
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TEOTWASWKI
Feb. 19, 2013 at 8:28pmwhere is your warning label Chips? DANGER POLICE
IDIOT
DO NOT APROCH
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YOURSENSEI
Feb. 18, 2013 at 6:29pmThis is what you must know:
Cops score at the low end of the professional IQ range. Law enforcement attracts low intellect, highly pathological personality types with a penchant for overcompensation and denial. Sociopaths. Glory dayers. Unfulfilled father fantasists.
It is so.
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Walkabout
Feb. 18, 2013 at 7:23pmOf course you have studies to back this up & can link it.
I think paid posters of leftwing groups score at the low end of IQ tests.
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progressiveslayer
Feb. 18, 2013 at 7:31pmSo how long have you been a cop there senseless?
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emh1701
Feb. 18, 2013 at 7:32pmI read somewhere in the news years ago that they actually prohibited people with high IQs from being cops for fear they would be bored.
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Xylliab_of_the_Znarghh
Feb. 18, 2013 at 8:30pmThe police force mostly doesn’t attract sociopaths who want to push people around or heroes who want to serve and protect. It mostly attracts people who just take every civil service test they can because they don’t have the competitive nature or the glib egocentrism necessary to succeed in the private sector and they appreciate the security of working for an employer whose treatment of its workers is governed by laws instead of by mere rules that were meant to be broken.
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RJJinGadsden
Feb. 18, 2013 at 10:58pmWALKABOUT, Nah, Everybody WANG CHUNG tonight is just trying to bait me, and maybe a few others. I have to admit that I have met a few that match his description, but by no means a blanket description. He is just proving that he can’t put together something funny either as he has always complained about the lack of timing, punch line development, etc. Looks like any one of the Three Stooges had more humor in a pinkie finger than WANG CHUNG has altogether.
Oh…wait…was that supposed to simply be an insult? Didn’t work, LOL.
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YOURSENSEI
Feb. 18, 2013 at 11:16pmMr or Ms WALKABOUT,
This is what you must know:
Proof? Links? You want proofy links? Linky proof?
http://www.theblaze.com/users/rjjingadsden/
it is so.
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rng61
Feb. 18, 2013 at 6:27pmWhy do police departments scour the high schools for “drop outs” to enlist as cops?
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Skee
Feb. 18, 2013 at 7:44pmThey don’t most police are former military that are desensitized to dealing with the public!! Think how many will be police officers when they come home from war!!!
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ripley
Feb. 18, 2013 at 6:25pmIt just boggles the mind that the police officers involved even found it necessary to handcuff this young man. I have been around many people with Down Syndrome & such treatment was completely unnecessary. Time for more training for the cops.
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averageman
Feb. 19, 2013 at 7:21amThey didnt find IT NECESSARY, they are simply aggressive personalities, with no respect for human beings. They should be barred for life from carrying a gun, wearing a uniform and should do the perp walk and have their mugs posted for alll to see. They should be ostracized and run outta town on a rail….God where is their humanity?
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1947
Feb. 18, 2013 at 6:19pmIt should have been the COPS son
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