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‘Against Autonomy’: You’ll Never Believe What Cass Sunstein’s Latest Writing Says

Feb. 19, 2013 2:25pm

It is probably unnecessary to rehearse the ways in which Cass Sunstein, President Obama’s former regulatory czar and the author of “Nudge,” has managed to make himself a controversial figure among libertarians, nor is there any evidence that he necessarily wants to downplay that controversy. However, if Sunstein does care to refute the notion (propagated by commentators like Glenn Beck) that he wants to pull strings of peoples’ lives like a puppet master, then his most recent book review in the New York Review of Books certainly doesn’t show it.

In fact, the book Sunstein is reviewing — and his take on its core philosophical proposition — suggest that he almost enjoys the accusation that he is a would-be puppet master.

Ironically, Sunstein’s own instincts for paternalism, however great they are, initially come off as easy to miss in the review. Why? Because the book Sunstein is reviewing practically makes him look like a libertarian. Titled “Against Autonomy: Justifying Coercive Paternalism,” the book takes aim squarely at the idea that individual freedom is important, or even relevant to policy discussions at all, in the deepest philosophical terms. Sunstein describes the book’s project this way [Emphasis added]:

Many Americans abhor paternalism. They think that people should be able to go their own way, even if they end up in a ditch. When they run risks, even foolish ones, it isn’t anybody’s business that they do. In this respect, a significant strand in American culture appears to endorse the central argument of John Stuart Mill’s On Liberty. In his great essay, Mill insisted that as a general rule, government cannot legitimately coerce people if its only goal is to protect people from themselves. Mill contended that

the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or mental, is not a sufficient warrant. He cannot rightfully be compelled to do or forbear because it will be better for him to do so, because it will make him happier, because, in the opinion of others, to do so would be wise, or even right.

A lot of Americans agree.[...]

Until now, we have lacked a serious philosophical discussion of whether and how recent behavioral findings undermine Mill’s harm principle and thus open the way toward paternalism. Sarah Conly’s illuminating book Against Autonomy provides such a discussion. Her starting point is that in light of the recent findings, we should be able to agree that Mill was quite wrong about the competence of human beings as choosers. “We are too fat, we are too much in debt, and we save too little for the future.” With that claim in mind, Conly insists that coercion should not be ruled out of bounds. She wants to go far beyond nudges. In her view, the appropriate government response to human errors depends not on high-level abstractions about the value of choice, but on pragmatic judgments about the costs and benefits of paternalistic interventions. Even when there is only harm to self, she thinks that government may and indeed must act paternalistically so long as the benefits justify the costs.

Not that Conly’s book is simply an apologia for government control for its own sake. To hear Sunstein tell it, Conly is only interested in a very specific brand of paternalism – a “paternalism of means,” as he puts it.

For instance, Conly would argue for a government that stops people who want to head from Washington to Boston from inadvertently going to Charleston, since it’s in the opposite direction. The actual question of whether one should want to get to Boston or Charleston would theoretically be considered irrelevant. However, there is a problem: to hear Sunstein tell it, Conly frequently endorses policies that do follow a paternalism of ends, for instance by endorsing smoking bans. Ironically enough, this is something even Sunstein opposes:

Conly is quite aware of the many difficulties that would be associated with efforts to prohibit the manufacture and sale of alcohol and cigarettes, but here the problems seem to me more significant than she allows. True, smoking produces extremely serious public health problems—over 400,000 deaths annually—and it is important to take further steps to reduce those problems.16 But any ban would raise exceedingly serious difficulties, not least because it would be hard to enforce. A full analysis would have to consider such difficulties, as well as the claims of free choice. Black markets in cigarettes are not exactly what the United States most needs now.

More to the point, in one of the most ironic passages of the review, Sunstein actually admits, “Freedom of choice is an important safeguard against the potential mistakes of even the most well-motivated officials.” Unfortunately, there is no acknowledgement that this category includes even him, but it still is one of the more libertarian admissions in the review. And indeed, Sunstein seems broadly uncomfortable with Conly’s practical ideas (bans on smoking, bans on particular types of food). On the one hand, this is comforting. On the other, given Sunstein’s preferred method for applying paternalism (IE in such a way that people barely notice its presence), he arguably takes issue with Conly’s approach because it is too honest, not because it is too paternalistic.

When it comes to Conly’s philosophy, however, Sunstein’s words are substantially warmer, and in a way that may raise concerns among his critics. However, before explaining why, it is necessary to assess what Conly is actually trying to do, and that means understanding the person she’s trying to refute: the British philosopher John Stuart Mill.

John Stuart Mill

Cass Sunstein Opposes Smoking Bans, Celebrates Paternalism in Review of Book Arguing Against Autonomy

John Stuart Mill (Photo Credit: Thefamouspeople.com)

For political philosophers in general, and conservatives in particular, John Stuart Mill is a problematic and at times confusing figure. A radical libertarian individualist who later became a radical socialist, seemingly without so much as a trace of intellectual reconfiguring, Mill has been the intellectual Godfather of social libertarianism pretty much since he published his essay “On Liberty” in 1859. The book itself is notable for its absolute, ironclad insistence on freedom not just from government interference, but from social interference.

In fact, Mill spends more of the book arguing that social norms are a threat to individual autonomy than he does arguing that government intervention is, while defending eccentricity to the hilt and pushing for freedom to indulge in lifestyle experimentation. Understandably, this approach has made both conservatives and liberals (and even some libertarians) nervous, as in this quote from libertarian Ralph Raico:

But worst of all was Mill’s deformation of the concept of liberty itself.  Liberty, it seems, is a condition that is threatened, not only by physical aggression on the part of the state or other institutions or individuals.  Rather, society often poses even graver dangers to individual freedom.  This it achieves through what he called the ”tyranny of the prevailing opinion and feeling”.  He says the tendency to impose by other ways than civil penalties its own ideas and practices as rules of conduct on those who dissent from them.  What society does is compel all characters to fashion themselves upon a model of its own.  True liberty requires what Mill called “autonomy”, because if you adopt the traditions and customs of other people, you’re simply engaging in ape-like imitation.  Where we would say that men and women choosing goals laid out for them by institutions whose authority over them they freely accept, Mill perceives the extinction of freedom.  In a striking and utterly preposterous illustration, the “saint of rationalism” says, “An individual Jesuit is, to the utmost degree of abasement, a slave of his order.”  One wonders what is supposed to follow from this.  Must we form abolitionist societies to emancipate the willing slaves of the Society of Jesus?  How should we go about selecting our John Browns to lead the storming of the slave pits of Fordham University and Georgetown? You have to ask yourself by what right Mill and his alter ego, his girlfriend Harriet Taylor, could ever have imagined themselves entitled to pass judgment on the status of members of Catholic and Eastern Orthodox religious orders, on Orthodox Jews and devout Muslims, or any other religious believers.

Perhaps the most enduring part of Mill’s “On Liberty,” however, is the part Sunstein cites – the so-called “Harm Principle,” which states in effect that government should only intervene to stop people from doing something if it will directly hurt someone else. Intervention “for their own good” is strictly off limits. It is this part that Conly, and to an extent Sunstein, seem to want to chip away at. Here’s the Harm Principle restated, from Sunstein’s essay:

The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or mental, is not a sufficient warrant. He cannot rightfully be compelled to do or forbear because it will be better for him to do so, because it will make him happier, because, in the opinion of others, to do so would be wise, or even right.

Arguing Against the Harm Principle

Sunstein is not the first commentator to take issue with this doctrine. Social conservatives especially have attacked it for being insufficient, and for not taking into account all forms of harm possible, including harm to the community. Yet unlike these broad philosophical arguments. Sunstein’s criticism is arguably more troubling, because he not only argues that such a degree of freedom is undesirable, but that people are actively incapable of managing this degree of freedom:

Mill’s claim has a great deal of intuitive appeal. But is it right? That is largely an empirical question, and it cannot be adequately answered by introspection and intuition. In recent decades, some of the most important research in social science, coming from psychologists and behavioral economists, has been trying to answer it. That research is having a significant influence on public officials throughout the world. Many believe that behavioral findings are cutting away at some of the foundations of Mill’s harm principle, because they show that people make a lot of mistakes, and that those mistakes can prove extremely damaging.[...]

People also have a lot of trouble dealing with probability. In some of the most influential work in the last half-century of social science, Daniel Kahneman and Amos Tversky showed that in assessing probabilities, human beings tend to use mental shortcuts, or “heuristics,” that generally work well, but that can also get us into trouble. An example is the “availability heuristic.” When people use it, their judgments about probability—of a terrorist attack, an environmental disaster, a hurricane, a crime—are affected by whether a recent event comes readily to mind. If an event is cognitively “available”—for example, if people have recently suffered damage from a hurricane—they might well overestimate the risk. If they can recall few or no examples of harm, they might well underestimate the risk.

The problem should be obvious, of course. Sunstein wants government to take on the role of disinterested paternal figure toward inefficient, unwise, biased human beings. Yet those same inefficient, unwise human beings are precisely the people who will be running the government in the first place. Of course, Sunstein does not ignore this problem. In fact, he points it out as an argument against Conly’s harder edged form of paternalism:

Conly favors a paternalism of means, but the line between means and ends can be fuzzy, and there is a risk that well-motivated efforts to promote people’s ends will end up mischaracterizing them. Sure, some of our decisions fail to promote our ends; if we neglect to rebalance our retirement accounts, we may end up with less money than we want. But some people who often rebalance their accounts end up doing poorly. In some cases, moreover, means-focused paternalists may be badly mistaken about people’s goals. Those who delay dieting may not be failing to promote their ends; they might simply care more about good meals than about losing weight.

Nevertheless, he concludes that while paternalistically micromanaging peoples’ lives might be impractical, it is something that is philosophically attractive, and that practical means of regulating other people are therefore philosophically desirable (emphasis added):

Notwithstanding these objections, Conly convincingly argues that behavioral findings raise significant questions about Mill’s harm principle. When people are imposing serious risks on themselves, it is not enough to celebrate freedom of choice and ignore the consequences. What is needed is a better understanding of the causes and magnitude of those risks, and a careful assessment of what kind of response would do more good than harm.

Who is to say what constitutes a “serious risk?” How are we to know a response would do good rather than harm? Who defines “good” and “harm?” Sunstein doesn’t say. To be fair, Mill barely defines how his harm principle is supposed to be applied either, but the great thing about liberty is that it works itself out, whereas trying to apply paternalistic laws to other people practically demands definition. As a result, the absence of an explanation for his brand of paternalism on Sunstein’s part is arguably more worrisome than the bald-faced attempt to defend it that the book he is reviewing offers.

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  • BlackCrow
    Posted on February 19, 2013 at 4:45pm

    TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!!

    Remember that from the history book? Why would they want our guns?

    ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ!!!

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    • GETLIFE
      Posted on February 20, 2013 at 3:53am

      Really, BLACKCROW, that’s what it boils down to, isn’t it?

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  • welovetheUSA
    Posted on February 19, 2013 at 4:31pm

    I am glad they feel they can come out now with their radical -sick agenda……it pleases me they think our nation is ready for such crap. It will end soon, not to stress yourself about this fool.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 4:46pm

      It’s nothing more than history repeating itself. Happened in Russia. Happened in Germany. It is happening here.

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    • Al Gator
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 8:50pm

      @jerk,

      You know your history. It cracks me up to no end that these effete, arrogant, insufferable clowns always envision themselves as “too smart to cavort” with the “masses,” when the truth is that they are too stupid to think their way out of a paper bag torn in half.

      Cassooon boy here is a prime example of progressive, statist belief that they are “better” than any one of the “masses.” They “believe” that the “masses” couldn’t survive a day without their buffoonish prognostications.

      Everything that this nitwit predicted and pontificated about for the last 20 years turned out to be nothing more than fartgas. Which is what he and his pusillanimous cohorts revel in.

      That this pipsqueak even had his 15 minutes of fame, and had his ugly little hands on the levers of power in this country, is evidence of how low we have sunk.

      20 years ago, this clown was a joke. He is STILL a joke. But Soetoro put him in a position of high esteem and gelding pubbies went along for the ride. MY, how times change.

      Thank the commie pit union thugs at the NEA for that.

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    • redfish52
      Posted on February 20, 2013 at 6:53am

      These over educated nitwits do way to much thinking….

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    • Mil-Dot
      Posted on February 20, 2013 at 7:28am

      Cretins like Sunstein will pay for their treachery and pinko ways eventually. If he thinks THIS American is going to bow to his bald-headed commie ass he has another thing coming. We need to chase these goons down in the streets people. Clean your barrels and sharpen you knives now. . You know what must be done. All it will take is one tiny spark.

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    • Cservice
      Posted on February 20, 2013 at 10:17am

      Just remember, even a tumors job is to get bigger.

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  • thegreatcarnac
    Posted on February 19, 2013 at 4:30pm

    It is coincidental that the article spoke on autonomy at the beginning because millions upon millions of us would like to have autonomy from the US federal government in Washington d.c. We are tired of liberalism that mocks all we have held dear for centuries. Time to go on our own. We will succeed without the feds and do it very well.

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    • theaton
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 4:47pm

      “We are tired of liberalism that mocks”

      If this is true, why were the only candidates who received a good number of votes in the 2012 Presidential election both big government liberals? Romney was no better than Obama but droves of republican drones voted for him. Many say they want freedom but even more, both Ds and Rs, won’t stop taking money from the government in the form of social security. Even though the money is been stolen from their children, grand children and great grandchildren.

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    • BlueStrat
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 10:03pm

      @ Theaton

      “If this is true, why were the only candidates who received a good number of votes in the 2012 Presidential election both big government liberals?”
      —

      Two major reasons:

      1> The necessary & vital function of the Fourth Estate (newspapers, TV, media, etc) has been co-opted and no longer serves it’s original purpose, but has become a government propaganda tool. Therefor, most people are woefully under-informed while simultaneously being massively misinformed.

      2> Corruption & collusion between the government, the political elite, the co-opted Fourth Estate, and the two major political parties to prevent “outsider” candidates and 3rd-parties from achieving viability and/or appearing on major ballots, particularly national ballots.

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    • Mil-Dot
      Posted on February 20, 2013 at 7:36am

      Theaton,
      Tho only reason anybody voted for Romney is because they hate the commie-pinko Obama. That’s it. Stick your justification up your ****. We will not become a bunch of Stalinist puppets. We are just waiting for the old white traitors to die off. You know, those vermin that are afraid to die because they have led the lives of pagans. The old snowman baby boomers that are so selfish they would bequeath their kids and grand children to communism. I want them gone. They are disgusting. THEY voted Obama back in, with a healthy dose of voter fraud as well.

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  • objectivetruth
    Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:36pm

    Mills observation was on the human condition of using free will that ended in percieved slavery.Ever have a job you thought you would like only to feel absolutely constrained to the point of suffocation?This was mills take on starting a endeavor freely only to feel suffocated by it.
    Cass and lovely Sarah need to understand the rest of the individuals in America aren’t going to put up with the paternalistic overlord function they propose.Their nudge nudge will be met with resistance leading to the loss of their teeth and possibly worse.All while screaming something to the effect of You should have heeded your own advice.Now leave me the he@@ alone.Soft sided industrial browbeating is almost far worse than the overlording bully.You can eventually get through the bullys head.These freaks will torment you to no end as they belive not only it is their right but their calling.Theirr inane mantra but you just don’t understand.Yes we do ,its you who doesn’t understand.

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    • Thomas
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 4:08pm

      It’s funny but a fact that those who are always interested in controlling others are the ones that are most out of control them self. Take John Wayne Gasey for instance he was a homosexual but they said in prison he was known to attack those whom he caught performing a homosexual act or whom made it clear they were homosexuals. These people with their judgments and actions open a door into their own psyche.

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 4:45pm

      Another Marxist Jew that wants to undermine the US Constitution? Can’t say I’m surprised. What about you?

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    • tzion
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 5:11pm

      @tech
      All Marxists want to undermine the Constitution. Not all Jews want the same. Seems to me that the Marxist descriptor is the only relevant one in this context.

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    • Lord_Frostwind
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 5:16pm

      The problem with “nudge, nudge, shove,” is that eventually you run into an opponent who pushes back. Honestly, I almost think the conversation would go something like the one between Princess Leia and Moff Tarkin in Star Wars:

      “The more you tighten your grip Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.”

      Consider, for example, all the nudge, nudge shoving going on about guns, that have probably lead to the single greatest gun buy up in US history. Try to push someone, especially the ones who realize what your are doing, the harder they will push back.

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 6:26pm

      tzion
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 5:11pm
      @tech
      All Marxists want to undermine the Constitution. Not all Jews want the same. Seems to me that the Marxist descriptor is the only relevant

      What do we have about 10% who are not Marxists and probably 9% of those love Lincoln.. so i’m supposed to sacrifice my Nation and my race for the 1% of Jews who potentially share something in common as me? lol

      You and I would simply be better off separated.

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    • tzion
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 6:46pm

      @Tech
      “What do we have about 10% who are not Marxists and probably 9% of those love Lincoln…”

      Of course you’d just pull a number out your hat. On what basis are you concluding that 90% of Jews are Marxists? After all, the socialist leaning Labor party in Israel lost more seats just recently and hasn’t won an election for some time. Unless you’re willing to actually provide data you really shouldn’t talk.

      And as far as separation is concerned, I’d like to see you try. What exactly gives you the right to decide who gets to stay in the home THEY OWN? I don’t remember that being in the Constitution you claim to love. You really don’t understand at all how fascism and the Constitution are incompatible, do you?

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 7:34pm

      tzion
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 6:46pm
      @Tech

      Thought the world must have a state for Jews?? Oh I see you want a state for Jews and the rest of the states run byJews? lol

      You’re funny tzion.. sort of remind of jacob.

      By the way every voter in the Likud party would vote with the Democrats out of their pure hatred for Chrisitianity if they lived in Amercia and you know it’s the truth.

      Out of curiosity if I support your nation for Jews will you in turn support a Nation for Caucasions? Is there anywhere today that we have a right to be free and independent? Or must be pluralistic and diverse like the Jews demand?

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    • tzion
      Posted on February 20, 2013 at 12:43am

      @Tech
      Israel isn’t purely Jewish so I really don’t see why you’re making such a big deal out of it. Israel has always had Christians and Muslims as citizens since it was founded. Yet you claim that they all hate Christians? Based on what? Is that something you know from experience or is it just propaganda that you didn’t bother to question?

      As for your “Caucasian State”, the justification for the Jewish state was that Jews as a nationality required a nation in order to guarantee their own survival and the survival of their culture. Caucasian isn’t a nationality, there is no unifying Caucasian culture, and there is little if any feeling of kinship that one Caucasian feels for another. The nations of Europe seem quite content with their separate nation-states so why change that? Outside of you and your fellow David Duke disciples, I see no demand for a Caucasian state among even a noticeable minority of whites.

      Seems you have a strange definition of freedom. You seem to think freedom means you are free and those not like you aren’t. You want Jews to leave so you can have a country with no Jews. Israel doesn’t have that so on what basis should you?

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  • Mike76
    Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:35pm

    ” we should be able to agree that Mill was quite wrong about the competence of human beings as choosers. ” So, Cass, you’re argument is that we as individuals cannot make good choices. But as a group, wouldn’t we still just be a bunch of individuals ALL making bad choices? What you really mean, is that you believe that you and a small group of your personal associates are the only ones fit to make decisions for everyone else, because you are a megalomaniac who suffers from an acute psychosis and needs medical treatment. Either way, your theory is bunk. I offer you Congress as exhibit A.

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    • Stelex
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 8:15pm

      The bottom line is laws should be kept local. The smaller the group the wiser the decision’s made for that group. Hence the father’s saw it as Towns, counties, states then the fed. Influence being from the towns first and the feds last. What we have now is the complete opposite and its a dangerous failure.

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  • ElChupaCabraDeUSA
    Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:29pm

    Truth is the nanny state increases the liberal voting role because the liberal base, ie. Stupid People, are protected from their only natural predator…their own stupidity.

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  • poster
    Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:23pm

    Yet another “You’ll Never Believe…” headline.

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  • spirited
    Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:15pm

    The social justice
    of
    Yes WE Can

    ~>say no you can’t; –dirty ba$tards.

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  • progressiveslayer
    Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:09pm

    This anti freedom anti constitution POS makes me want to vomit on his face.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flfHZgT-SeI

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    • Vision Harry
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 4:51pm

      Ever notice how the biggest Blah,Blah Blah seems to come from the smallest minds?

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  • AlaskaBob
    Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:03pm

    Major flaw with Sunstein… he supposes HIS political/social persuasion will determine what is “good”. The Left never stops to think all of this could swing hard another direction and they would fall prey to their plans at someone else’s hands. With the Left, once one of theirs even questions the core, they are eliminated from the fold… cast out or buried. Either way, there is loss of control. They can’t see there flaws in the mirror.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:13pm

      Jewish history has shown time and time again that they get blowback from their cultural changing behavior. It’s a social pathology. That is the problem.

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    • hauschild
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:40pm

      @AlaskaBob

      You hit it and it is a point I always make to leftists, but they look at me and acknowledge what I say, but you know deep down inside they don’t believe it; they insanely believe that “their” side will be in power forever.

      For all this totalitarian executive order BS by the Marxist, I almost can’t wait for anarchist executive orders to be imposed at some future point in time. It’ll be a while, but after 4 more years of Marxist governing and then 8 more years of Billary, there is probably going to be another significant pendulum swing to the right (at least I hope I can live to see one more. The 1980′s was absolutely beautiful.).

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  • Cavallo
    Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:03pm

    Benito Mussolini could not have said it better himself. We can also apply this to eugenics as well. Those who’s birth would damage society and cause an undue hardship on themselves and those around them should be terminated, so as to cause the least amount of suffering to society as a whole as well as the individuals around them. Theirs is a philosophy of “We must control men in order to set him free, for only in slavery to the State is true freedom discovered.”
    These fascists will murder you. Make no mistake. Give them an inch and they will take your lives.

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    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:56pm

      These fascists will murder you. Make no mistake. Give them an inch and they will take your lives.

      That’s a fact because they’re power hungry control freaks,communists,fascists,progressives and collectivists that want total control of us and their ultimate goal is mind control ie 1984. We’ve allowed our government to get way to close to a fascist police state and I believe it’s coming to a head and this regime is just waiting for the opportune time to crack down,they need an ‘event’ to do what they really want to do to us.

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    • Max Power 1
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:44pm

      @Cavallo & Progressive Slayer.
      You guys couldn’t be more right. I would only add, the government THINKS it wants an event to crack down on us. They have no comprehension of the event(s) that would occur during\post crackdown. They think in their twisted minds that they can defeat us. We know they will have an “OH CRAP” moment at some point.

      Buy the way, I’m very glad to see that some on here are really “getting it” on all levels. Maybe there is hope after all.

      “Trying to be who my dog thinks I am”
      Max

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    • katzkiner
      Posted on February 20, 2013 at 7:33pm

      Slayer, they specialize in creating “events”. People like Sunstein usually end up swinging upside down in the public square only after causing the deaths and suffering of millions.

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  • WataugaFrost
    Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:00pm

    “society often poses even graver dangers to individual freedom. This it achieves through what he called the ”tyranny of the prevailing opinion and feeling”. ” This sounds like the PC crowd to me. If a subject ( global warming for instance) can be manipulated in such a way so that any honest debate is passed off as “idiotic” then doesn’t that throttle the process of searching out the truth? Unfortunately, being part of the “hip” or “cool” crowd is more relevant than the truth…….. what ever that may be.

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  • wilbstal
    Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:00pm

    we are all going to die i relish dying whilst killing a liberal who denied some American his God given rights

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  • wilbstal
    Posted on February 19, 2013 at 2:57pm

    what will they write on his Grave Stone???? A Hole is here???

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  • MFHorn3
    Posted on February 19, 2013 at 2:55pm

    Of course, Obamacare is the ultimate cure for Mill’s Harm Principle. Your individual choices about what to eat and drink no longer affect you alone, your poor choices impose costs on society that must be controlled by the elite….all for the greater good.

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on February 19, 2013 at 2:51pm

    Life cannot be controlled, and no system however repressive can establish absolute security and safety for all populations. Cass Sunstein speaks of a Utopian nightmare which in the end collapses, and in the time of its life becomes a machine for oppression and bloodletting.

    The Progressives agenda is accelerating under Obama, and soon enough we will see the final ‘event’ that he will use or fabricate to ensure his domination of the nation as a tyrant will come. Its not a matter of if, but when, he makes his move.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:01pm

      Cass Sunstein speaks like his Jewish kin, Hess, Marx, Alinsky, Soros, and Piven.

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    • PATTY HENRY
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:48pm

      When could be any day now. I had him pulling off his mask about August of last year (3.5 into his first term) and one could say he was un-masked during most of last year. It is what it is and my focus now
      is on sharing as much GOSPEL as I can, with as many as I can. God wins the confrontation anyway…it all Belongs to HIM …us too if we are smarter than a box of rocks.
      It’s almost like watching a reality show – every minute that dope does something else, appoints another insult, tries to rob us of another right/stomps on the Constitution. He is no more powerful than any of us, he just thinks he is. I’m finding that I’m more curious and ‘entertained’ than fretful. I’m glad it’s finally here.
      The other thing we can work on is: Making sure people know that AMERICA is a gift from GOD.
      In all the history of the world, only 5% of the people who have lived – lived in freedom…otherwise they were under some tyrant or other… America was GOD’s gift and we, the people, got too comfortable, too busy, too self-centered, too greedy, too lazy. We allowed COMMIE PLANT teachers
      push their programmed Anti-God myths on us, our kids (same in college). See, if people have NO one to believe in, they are far easier to control! …. Now all we can help are our families, those closest to us and PRAY…the most potent weapon we have. More than anything else the Bible says is this:
      FEAR NOT. :) I’m not fearing, I totally TRUST GOD! I love Jesus – whatever happ

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    • SON_OF_RJJINGADSDEN
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 7:37pm

      @THE-JERK
      Is “JERK” a jewish name? Did you get kicked out of art school? @anyone with an itching left click button please recognize sarcasm

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  • Just_Us2
    Posted on February 19, 2013 at 2:48pm

    Makes a great case why abortion should be outlawed, why Sharia law should be implemented, why whomever is in power can effectively mandate anything they deem for the citizen’s own good. Eventually, everyone who opposed you would have to die….for the good of the rest of the citizens.

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  • progressiveslayer
    Posted on February 19, 2013 at 2:47pm

    Sunstein is just another pin head progressive pustule candy@ss control freak who needs to be nudged over the cliff to a 1,500 ft vertical drop.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 2:53pm

      Why would you drop the descriptive, “Jewish?” The whole truth is required, not selective, cherry picking truth. And, the truth can not be hate.

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    • Cavallo
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:18pm

      He’s a philosophical fascist. His opinions on the control of men are exactly what leftists believe. It is indoctrinated into them in institutions of BS. They are so frustrated to think that there are those that will not live their lives in accordance with their dictates they must use the force of the State to MAKE them comply with their wishes. Remember the Bill Ayres (Obama’s buddy) advocated for the death of 25 million Americans who might not comply with communist reeducation.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:20pm

      I’ll tell you why I would drop the Jew part Jerk. A Jew submitted Himself to torture and death to save my eternal soul. He did that for a sinner as low as me and you. He loved them and I defer to His judgement on the subject. You should too.

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    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:23pm

      Why are you fixated on Jews? I don’t care if he’s a Jew a Christian or a Muslim he’s anti constitution and that’s what I care about.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:26pm

      Gonzo, did He call himself a Jew? And that being said, do you feel the same about the Jewish Marx?

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:27pm

      Gonz, was his father a Jew?

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:37pm

      Hie Earthly mother was a Jew and God chose that race for His son to be born into. You can trace His lineage all the way back to David, you admit he was a Jew don’t you? So yes, He was a Jew. I dislike Karl Marx because of his dehumanizing ideology, not because of his race.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 4:23pm

      JIHAD_JERK, Way to simplify and boil down the woes of all of the human frailties to simply dump it all on the shoulders of all Jews collectively. Oh wait, sorry you take a similar dump on blacks and Hispanics too! Still not quite the full equal opportunity blame game on your part yet? Take a look at the history of all of the races, all of the nations throughout history. Lots of sh/t going on, and lots of people getting killed, but to your dumbass, it is only the fault of those Jews who happen to exist. Your hatred is so obvious that some day I half expect that a mass shooting will occur in a predominately Jewish neighborhood will occur followed by us never seeing you post again. Yeah, I truly do believe that you are that deranged.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 4:30pm

      Fact is, he was not Jewish. It makes no sense to follow the genealogy of the man, Joseph, who was not his father, then say that you can trace his roots to David. That’s obvious folly. And, in His time he was a Galilean not Judean.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 4:44pm

      RJJinGadsden, believe me, I’m far more sane than you. You fail to see that there really are cultural differences between the groups that you have mentioned, real, not imagined. Europe evolved differently than Africa and Asia, each of which evolved differently from each other. No one sat down and planned out that there would one day be a British empire upon which the sun never set, but it did work out that way. Nothing even close could be said of any African nation or culture.

      You’re simply a denier of reality. I don’t pretend to know your motivation, as you claim to know mine, but the facts are the facts. Jews are no different. They are a race, per them. They have a culture, per them. Therefore, there must be differences. Communism came out of their culture. You find that remark antisemitic, out of denial or ignorance. But, it is still fact.

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    • tzion
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 4:59pm

      @Jerk
      He didn’t provide his gender, age, skin color, place of education, level of education, or his IQ level either. How does Sunstein being Jewish have any impact on anything? At least with the Italian mob the membership was exclusively Italian even if not all or even the majority of Italians were in the mob. Similarly, all Nazis were German. But with communists you can’t even claim that they are exclusively Jewish. Why? Because the two are mutually exclusive factors. Neither is tied to the other by anything other than a slight correlation. And as every sane, freethinking individual knows, correlation proves absolutely nothing because it fails to demonstrate that A causes B.

      After all, I could demonstrate a correlation between being tall and being black but that doesn’t prove that black people are intentionally plotting to make other people short.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 5:09pm

      JIHAD_JERK, You have a long way to do to prove that you have any sanity here. Enough said.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 5:30pm

      Tzion, are you ever correct?

      “At least with the Italian mob the membership was exclusively Italian even if not all or even the majority of Italians were in the mob.”

      Meyer Lansky or Bugsy Siegel ring a bell. They had ties to both Lucky Luciano and Frank Costello.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 5:33pm

      Tzion, are you ever correct? “Similarly, all Nazis were German.”

      Many Germans were not Nazis. Many non-Nazi Germans were living in America, and other places throughout the globe.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 5:35pm

      Tzion: “After all, I could demonstrate a correlation between being tall and being black but that doesn’t prove that black people are intentionally plotting to make other people short.”

      Those damn pigmy tribes are making you look foolish.

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    • PATTY HENRY
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 5:39pm

      YO JERK!!! IF you are going to TRY to argue Christianity with us, at least take the time to know your facts. MARY, my dear, was also from the HOUSE OF DAVID. Wanna learn something ? Go read anything by SCOTT HAHN or Archbishop Sheen or any number of excellent, brilliant men.
      NOW do you think it was accidental that every PROPHET described the birth/coming of the MESSIAH down to his Birthplace? YOU think GOD doesn’t know it all ? REALLY? but you do right?

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    • tzion
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 6:01pm

      @Jerk
      Your first response was to say that non-Italians had dealing with the mob. I never doubted that, but were they actually members or just partners? Regardless, the Italian members had exclusive control over who was involved and who wasn’t.

      As for your second response, you just repeated what I already said. All Nazis were Germans but not all Germans were Nazis. Learn to read and you might actually stop making a fool of yourself.

      But lastly, you failed to address my key point. Not all communists, or even most communists, are Jews. And just because you may have found many Jews who are communists, that in no way proves that Jews run communism, are inherently communists, or even that they invented communism. Oh sure Marx was a Jew by descent, but his father had converted to Christianity before his birth and Marx himself was influenced far more by secular philosophers then by anything from his Jewish heritage.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 6:19pm

      Patty: “MARY, my dear, was also from the HOUSE OF DAVID. ”

      Prove that.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 6:41pm

      Tzion, I thought that you made the wrong statement, because I thought that everybody knew that all Nazis were not German. I wrote this earlier. There were Scandinavian Nazis, Baltic state Nazis, Balkan state Nazis… . There were even American Nazis and an American Nazi party called the German American Bund. I think that there still is an American Nazi party… but could be wrong on that one.

      And finally, once again, Jews invented Communism. Jews spread Communism. Jews are the thrust behind Communism. Hess, Marx, Alinsky, Piven, all Jewish. Just like the Germans founded Nazism, Jews founded Communism. Just like the Germans were the thrust behind Nazism, Jews are the thrust behind Communism.

      Churchill described it best. Look it up. He was in a position to know.

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    • PATTY HENRY
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 6:42pm

      YO JERK : READ:
      Matthew (1:2-16) and Luke (3:23-38) each thought it important to record Joseph’s genealogy. The Navarre Bible commentary on Matthew’s Gospel explains why this is important:

      Jewish genealogies followed the male line. Joseph, being Mary’s husband, was the legal father of Jesus. The legal father is on par with the real father as regards rights and duties . . . Since it was quite usual for people to marry within their clan, it can be concluded that Mary belonged to the house of David. Several early Fathers of the Church testify to this—for example, St. Ignatius, St. Irenaeus, St. Justin and Tertullian, who base their testimony on an unbroken tradition. (28-29)

      There is also other evidence that Jesus was David’s descendant. For example, Paul tells us that Jesus “was descended from David according to the flesh” (Rom. 1:3).

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    • SON_OF_RJJINGADSDEN
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 7:42pm

      @THE_JERK
      Obviously you and your kin did not evolve with the rest of (Europe/Mars?) With all of this talk of evolution why don’t you go read the Darwin Awards and get some ideas for a DIY project?

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    • tzion
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 8:02pm

      @Jerk
      I was speaking of the actual Nazis who were the implementers of the Holocaust, all of whom were Germans. You were speaking of the ideology, which actually predates the Nazis but for which the Nazis have become a paradigm.

      An ideology can cross all boundaries even if it doesn’t always carry the same name. Many of the Arab countries in the Middle East underwent socialist uprisings without a single Jew participating. Just read up on the founding principles of the Ba’ath party. They actually claimed that their socialism was the polar opposite of that used by the Soviets but at its heart you’ll find the same principles of totalitarian government control. The Nazis were the same way in fact, always trying to prove they were different from the communists while utilizing the same ideology and techniques.

      The only true thing you’ve said is that Marxist Jews were generally more drawn to the international communism of the Soviet Union than to the national socialism used by the Nazis, Arabs, Venezuela, etc. But even this means little since for the Jews, being stateless at the time, national socialism was hardly an option.

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  • 00100111
    Posted on February 19, 2013 at 2:45pm

    Why would we “never believe” that Cass said this? We all know who and what he is.

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  • RaydocX
    Posted on February 19, 2013 at 2:43pm

    Caution, trolls… by Cass’ proposition, when you get to a topic where YOUR point of view differs and it can be argued it contributes to the detriment of society as a whole, your freedoms, too, are invalid.

    free speech, health care availability, what car you drive, where you can drive, whether you get to keep your home, who you choose to associate with, whether you are ‘allowed’ to procreate…

    somewhere along that list your freedoms will be gone, and there will be too few to fight about it when it happens… it’s happened before, and the Left seem determined to relive that ignominious history.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 2:52pm

      Cass Sunstein, another cultural changing, tradition destroying, I want to rule your life, Jewish progressive. The shear volume of these cultural destroyers mentioned here today proves my point. There’s no cherry picking. Facts are facts.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 2:57pm

      Key word “progressive” Jerk.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:06pm

      Gonzo, at some point, the shear number of times that ‘progressive’ is followed by ‘Jewish’ confirms the relationship of the source. Explain this list. Defies chance and probability. You choose to discard commonsense.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_American_politicians

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    • WataugaFrost
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:12pm

      Great Point. Were not the Japanese internment camps during WWII a prime example of this? Just because of their race they were rounded up and placed in a desert camp. So, now if you don’t believe the way they want you to “believe” whose to say the current administration won’t try the same tactic? I mean look at how good they are at demonizing anyone who speaks out against their programs. Getting close to the Soviet Gulag solution……

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    • tzion
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 6:37pm

      @Jerk
      Wow! Your list has grown since you first stated using it. Maybe you’d better double check it now that there’s a far more representative sample. And yes, I’ve already found plenty of conservatives, including one Edward Salomon, who was born in Prussia and was one of the original Republicans.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 6:47pm

      Tzion: “And yes, I’ve already found plenty of conservatives… .”

      Very, very, few conservatives. There are always exceptions to every rule, but that does not change the rule. Progressives, communists, are an overwhelming majority. That’s a fact.

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    • tzion
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 7:35pm

      @Jerk
      Your point might be convincing if it wasn’t for the fact that it’s not limited to Jews. Don’t believe me? See for yourself:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/113th_United_States_Congress

      You went looking for liberal Jews in a profession that liberals are instinctively drawn to. What did you expect to find? Why not look at Jewish doctors or Jews as a whole? Afraid you’ll get different results? Remember, this is the government that, when over 80% of the country is against it, is trying to pass a new gun ban. You really mean to tell me that only the Jewish politicians are liberals?

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    • katzkiner
      Posted on February 20, 2013 at 9:38pm

      Jerk, you are mostly right. Marxists though are ATHEIST and can not be real Jews but are of the synagogue of Satan. They give the tribe of Juda a BAD name. Feinstein, Bloomberg, Schumer, Sunstein, all atheist, Jews in name only. Creatures of instinct meant to be captured and killed. Why TZion does not make the distinction, I can’t fathom.

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on February 19, 2013 at 2:43pm

    Cass Sunstein, a progressive who has expressed their agenda time and time again; they seek total control and dominance over the masses, believing themselves to be an enlightened elite who alone knows what is best for all the unwashed, uneducated, unknowing, unthinking masses of humanity.

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  • Gonzo
    Posted on February 19, 2013 at 2:42pm

    The_Jerk, repeat after me: Cass Sunstein is a a liberal/ progressive and THAT is why we don’t like him.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 2:55pm

      Gonz, the mere fact that I can say this so often lends credence to my conclusions. This is described as commonsense everywhere else.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:11pm

      Why do you use the words ‘liberal’ and ‘progressive,’ and not the same type of descriptor, ‘Jewish?’ The whole truth is better than half truths.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:25pm

      How many liberal/progressive Jews are in the world jerk? Way more liberal/progressive gentiles. You can’t argue that. So why concentrate your ire on the smaller percentage of liberal /progressive Jews? Just oppose all liberal/progressives and leave race out of it.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:44pm

      Gonzo: “How many liberal/progressive Jews are in the world jerk? Way more liberal/progressive gentiles”

      You make the progressive argument so well. They do the same for blacks and welfare. Jews are an extreme minority. You know that.

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    • DLV
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 5:37pm

      Jerk- you are absolutely insane and the most racist person on this website. Unfreakingbelievable. You are so blind in your racism. You’re like schizophrenic in his world thinking everyone else is insane for not hearing the voices in his head. No one else agrees with you Jerk. You are all alone. The Jews are a great people who have withstood centuries of crap thrown against them. Some of it was their fault, some was not. You on the other hand continue to spew racist crap. God made all people equal and anyone can be saved. So you’re hatred against one race of people is ungodly since God does not hate any one race.

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  • Fubared
    Posted on February 19, 2013 at 2:35pm

    Sunstein. Silent whistle for Jihad Jerk to lump all Jews into the narrative of one.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 2:44pm

      FUBARED, Wonder where JIHAD_JERK is, haven’t seen any of his antisemitic rhetoric yet today. Of course, I was out for a while.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 2:47pm

      We had a long chat earlier R.J. I think I’ve converted him…or maybe I’m goose stepping! LOL

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    • OldSurfRat
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 2:49pm

      RJJ

      He got swept up in NY. Wearing a nice jacket about now.

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    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 2:51pm

      RJ The Hitler wannabe is over at http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/19/wheres-the-tv-show-called-good-muslim-bes-fox-contributor-lambastes-nbc-for-djesus-uncrossed-snl-skit/

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:00pm

      When the Sun keeps rising in the east, one can draw certain conclusions. It’s not going to rise in the west. When we keep getting example after example of policy making Jewish communists, one can draw logical conclusions. These people are not uniters. They are dividers. They wish to change our culture and take our freedoms.

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    • Cavallo
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:25pm

      Jerk, I wonder if the Jews in your head are happy they get to live there so rent free.You use too many correlations to relate to cause, and neglect and reject other factors such as: Social circles, education indoctrination, economic circles, etc. Not every philosophy is because of ethnic birth, nor religious affiliation. Remember that Karl Marx and Engels were exceptionally anti-Semitic themselves.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:27pm

      You are hurting yourself with this stuff Jerk. I hope you realize it someday.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 4:40pm

      GONZO, I was born and at least partially raised in the South. Upon retiring from the Army I returned here. You may be in a similar boat. But, I have never in my life met somebody who was actually in the KKK until now. Go figure. I often picture JIHAD_JERK as the guy next to The Family Guy’s Lois next to the guy with the Swastika tatoo on the back of his head.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 4:56pm

      RJJinGadsden, I too lived throughout the south, and can categorically say that you are FOS.

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    • tzion
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 6:55pm

      @Jerk
      When the Sun keeps rising in the east, one can draw certain conclusions. It’s not going to rise in the west. When we keep getting example after example of policy making Jewish communists, one can draw logical conclusions.

      When has the sun ever risen in the west? Never. When have there been Jews who weren’t communists? Always.

      You argument would be like me flipping a coin and saying “See, it keeps landing on heads so this coin must be weighted.” Meanwhile, what you don’t see is that I’m counting the number of heads but I’m not keeping track of either the total number of flips of the number of tails that show up. It’s really easy to reach false conclusions when you only look at half the data. In your case though, the problem is you reached your conclusions beforehand and are now searching for the data that supports it and ignoring that which doesn’t.

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    • grimmster
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 7:02pm

      @the jerkoff aka encinom.
      You have never lived outside of california you dumbass,much less past mommys basement door.But just for arguements sake, what cities and states did you live in, and tell us, what those cities were like when you lived there,and remember, some here just might have lived there too, f-n moron….

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    • Jake Dog2
      Posted on February 19, 2013 at 10:53pm

      @RJJ
      what is a FOS??

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    • katzkiner
      Posted on February 20, 2013 at 8:09pm

      “Jacob I have loved but Essau I have hated.” Who said that? The first Jew I ever knew was a Social Studies teacher who escaped East Germany. She was a communist HATER. Her eyes would flame when discussing Marxism. I still love her. Over all Jews are very smart, very hardheaded, and if not reminded they are human like everybody else tend to see themselves as natural rulers of the inferior masses. It comes from the Talmud. Having had no nation, they tend to move into banking, medicine, law, and government. “The seat of Moses”. This gets them into trouble with the masses over and over. They may or may not be “gods chosen” but they still need toilet paper occasionally, like everybody else.

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  • Walkabout
    Posted on February 19, 2013 at 2:34pm

    Meteors wants to be told what to do as well. So long it is a high enough gear in the scheme of things they will with a straight face & anonymously tell us what we should do.

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  • Walkabout
    Posted on February 19, 2013 at 2:32pm

    Cass Sunstein would not say this if he was 20 or 30 something unemployed not likely to be employed any time soon. He would be fulminating against Obama & the current regime.

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