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Gay Man Clashes With Fiery Preacher on NYC Subway: ‘I’m a Good Man and I’m a Gay Man — and Jesus Loves Me!’
Street preachers are relatively common in New York City. But when these individuals take their messages from outdoors to the confines of subway cars, patrons sometimes get agitated. After all, many of these pastors, while well-intentioned, yell their sermons and force their ideals upon patrons. In response, weary riders tend to ignore the displays, rolling their eyes or tuning the preachers out entirely.
In a video that was uploaded to YouTube a few days ago, though, one patron decided to speak up after a man preaching on the subway took aim at homosexuality.
“What the hell are you teaching our children that two men that lay together and have sex,” the preacher can be heard saying in a video captured by a cell phone. “What are you teaching the younger generation?”
As he continued, some spoke out against his message, calling him “full of hate,” “ignorant,” “scared” and “bad,” however he was dissuaded from stopping. In addition to claiming that singer Michael Jackson “died, because he was gay,” the man spoke about anatomy and his views on same-sex relationships.
“You can’t put to men together,” he continued. “Men don’t got no breasts.”
One of the patrons listening to these messages simply couldn’t take the diatribe any longer. He jumped out of his seat, faced the preacher and said, “I’m a man and I’m a good man — and I’m a gay man and Jesus loves me.” He continued, repeating the line that Christ loves him at least two additional times.
The preacher responded fervently. As the two continued to clash, the self-described gay man called the preacher a “false prophet.”
“Jesus is love,” he said, getting a round of applause from those on the train.
Watch the clash unfold, below:
(H/T: Gawker)
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Uechi
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:40amWho is trying to convince the preacher or himself? I don’t give a crap if you make love to frogs stop shoving your extreme views and life style on rest of us!
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searcher619
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:56amI know quite a few gay people who HATE the flamboyant and militant homosexuals. They also view those “Gay Pride” parades as freak-shows and damaging to the public image of homosexuals as a whole.
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Independent4233
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 10:09am” ‘I’m a Good Man and I’m a Gay Man — and Jesus Loves Me!’
But he hates your sin, twinkle toes. And by continuing your perversions in spite of his teachings you are spitting in his face by doing so.
“Good men” don’t do that.
Stop deluding yourself and get cured.
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battles
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 10:17amWhich is actually the more extreme view? Your pro sexual pervert views or our God given scriptural views?
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Ollie123
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 10:20amNot sure if I agree if this sort of shouting match to preach the Holy Bible, but the fact remains that the Word of God, condemns sodomy as well as other sins. Simply put what the preacher was saying
, was not the words of the preacher but the “Words of the Almighty God.
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SonOfThunder
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 10:26am“And Jesus said unto him, Why call me good? none is good, except one, that is, God.” Luke 18:19
“There is none righteous, no, not one;” Romans 3:10
“for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:23
We all have sinned. Repent (turn from your sins) and put your trust in Jesus and you will be saved.
The_Jerk
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 10:50amHe’s probably a schizophrenic.
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THERAPTURCOMES
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 10:52amI think it is the other way around, it is the militant homosexual lobby that is forcing homosexuality down people throats
Jude 6-7 and are clear as to the fate of any whom practice homosexuality (seeking strange flesh) and is a direct link to Sodom and Gomorrah and Genesis 6:1-2
The thing is, the bible has foretold the events that are going to happen before they happen and the resurrection/rapture is soon to happen http://youtu.be/CBsYDhNxFlU
There is only one way to be saved and that is through the gospel. No one in their right mind or spirit would say that they are saved and a practicing homosexual at the same time. That is delusional
Romans 10:9-10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Jesus Christ Himself reaffirmed marriage is between a man and a woman
Matthew 19:4-5 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
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golfer8805
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:33amIt seems like the preacher is trying to push his views and lifestyle on others too. You shouldn’t be against someone expressing their opinion in public.
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Max jones
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:33amIf a person tries to assemble a complex machine without the aid of an instruction manual, or chooses to ignore several pages of that instruction manual, The machine will not function properly and actually can become quite dangerous to the operator.
How many of us would drive a car on the highway that has a home made, improvised brake system on it?
That being said, this preacher’s guerilla tactics probably do more to turn folks away from the Word, than toward it. Its much better to plant seeds, and allow folks to come to Christ in their own time, which is the ONLY way it works, The qualification is “whosoever WILL”…..
People have lost the ability to read and understand the Word of God. Its got a lot to do with the glut of sundry information we are inundated with in these end times. The day of our Lord will not come till there come a “falling away” first, so that the evil in our world is revealed, for what it is.
The whole world will be deceived and worship the devil….
..2 Thessalonians 2:11 (KJV) And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: .In other words, God does NOT want those he cannot trust with his mystery.
Satan comes first, to deceive and lead as many people as he can into perdition (death), as he can
Romans 11:8 (KJV) According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear; unto this day.
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Max jones
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:40amIf any one you know is a believer in “flying away”, known as ‘rapture’, he is among the deluded and will be taken “out of season”. Go here–http://tia4christ.blogspot.com/2011/03/exposing-rapture-lie-part-1.html—to find out where this false doctrine comes from. Sorry little brother….you are wrong.
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TEXASGRANNY73
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 12:12pm@RangerSkippy Oh Brother Ben!!! You should pack your bags and move to one of those perfect countries without those pesky gay people (suggestion Iran–there are no gays allowed, chop, chop) instead of living in the belly of so much anger and bitterness against fellow Americans who have the same freedoms you do.
Personally I have never known any “gay” person who is a child abuser. And I wish you would publish where you got your stats as I do not believe for one minute those exist which you quoted. As per the Bible I dare say there are more stories, more admonitions about how a man treats his wife (one wife, not the 2nd, 3rd or 4th marriage “real” men or “real” women find much more to their taste rather than the vows to one person and to God. An entire book the Psalms was written about David who murdered for a woman. We are not perfect not any of us and the continual harassment of people different than yourself is disgusting. And sorrowful. Do you seriously believe anyone would choose to be hated, taunted and are “gay” because they like meanness aimed at them? Matthew 7 “Do not judge lest you be judged. 2. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. 3. “And why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Read the rest of the chapter and it gets rather interesting. That is, if you really want to learn. Most arrogant don’t.
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DLV
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 12:19pmTexasGranny- You went right over the fact that the bible condemns homosexuality. Even if you disagree with Ranger’s approach, he is right. And I’ve noticed the falling of nation’s by this standard as well.
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 12:28pm@UECHI
” I don’t give a crap if you make love to frogs stop shoving your extreme views and life style on rest of us!”
You were talking about the preacher bothering everybody with his extreme views and lifestyle on the subway right?
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THERAPTURCOMES
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 12:45pmMAX JONES
As per the norm you are a person that tries to read the bible through a western mindset. In doing so you cannot even begin to understand what the bible is talking about.
The bible was written by JEWS
Christ is a JEW
The apostles were JEWS
The minor and major prophets wee JEWS
Moses was a JEW
David was a a JEW
Without a basic understanding of Hebraic studies one misses the idioms, phraseology, ancient customs and practices
EXAMPLE = Why is Christ called the 1st fruit of the resurrection???
If one has this basic Hebraic understanding the bible comes alive with never before realized meaning and understanding
Read the following verses carefully
John 14:1-3 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God[a]; believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
Lets break these verses down
(1) Christ says believe upon Him as you believe upon the Father
(2) He goes to that Fathers house to prepare a place for the church/bride
(3) He comes back and gathers His church/bride to Himself
(4) He takes them back to the place that He has prepared at His Father house
(5) To be where He is at
What you don’t see in these verses
(1) Christ returns
(2) Church.brides meets Him in the air
(3) Does big U-TURN in t
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Juicebox
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 12:46pmLeviticus 11:10 ESV / 60 helpful votes
But anything in the seas or the rivers that has not fins and scales, of the swarming creatures in the waters and of the living creatures that are in the waters, is detestable to you.
I hope the people on here who hate gays hate RED LOBSTER just as much and everyone who continues to lead a life of shellfish eating.
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TheGrtDcptn
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 12:47pmmax jones wrote…
‘The **whole world** will be deceived and worship the devil….’
Since you insist there is NO rapture, looks like YOU will also be deceived and worship the devil…
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en2deep
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 12:47pmMAX JONES, believing the rapture is going to take place does not disqualify salvation. It is an ancillary subject. I believe that it will occur.
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encinom
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 12:53pmRanger Dan out yourself you have disgraced the uniform of the US Military with your overt bigotry and racism. You need to be drummed out of the service.
en2deep
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 1:23pmI’m sure TEXASGRANNY meant well by the comments she made, even agreeing with the sentiment.
There are many forms of sin and they’re all deadly. But this behavior is still sin, and all who participates in it are not always the kindest among us either. Remember Dan Savage and what he said about christians to a group of H.S. journalist.
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rangerskippy
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 1:25pmTexas Granny – your quote “Personally I have never known any “gay” person who is a child abuser.”
Guess what? I do not give a flip of a wooden nickel about “what you know”. I care about facts, not about your thoughts, or lack of knowledge.
My stats come from the Center for Disease Control, and the Uniform Crime Reports, World History, and Bible. Regardless if you believe it, they are the facts.
The Bible is very clear, and homosexuality is not just a sin, God calls it an abomination, and in Romans, tells us that those that practice homosexuality are in danger of becoming reprobates (having a seared mind that can not hear God)
ENCINOM – your comment “You need to be drummed out of the service”
That’s funny, because George Washington was the head of our military in the revolutionary war, and he saw fit to have sodomites drummed out of the service.
I would prefer that my moral compass is more in line with General George Washington, than to Lady Ga Ga.
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branch manager
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 1:31pmWell put Rangerskippy. God hates no one. But he does hate sin. It’s very simple actually.
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encinom
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 2:08pmIts fitting that a disgrace to the uniform like yourself would look towards a slave owner or moral guidance.
Face it Ranger Dan, you would be much more comfortable in the robes of the klan, an organization that shares your hate filled version of Christianity than you would in the uniform worn by men of honor.
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Atrum Angelis
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 2:21pmThey were both annoying and extreme. I’d rather not hear either of them pushing their opinions.
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Max jones
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 2:24pmBATTLES….said”Which is actually the more extreme view? Your pro sexual pervert views or our God given scriptural views?” In a world where even the “Faithful” are deluded(Easter- Rapture etc) and our churches don’t teach the Word, chapter by chapter, line by line, precept upon precept, I suppose my viewpoint is the extreme one.
The Latter Rain is falling now and the truth has never been more abundant, but still so many stay ignorant of the truth of God’s Word. Mainly because of ‘man’s traditions’ that make VOID the word of God.
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Max jones
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 2:40pmRAPTURECOMES….Whatever you think you know about it, The Word tells me that Satan makes his appearance before the return of Christ. If you believe other wise you are setting yourself up to worship the Beast. If you can count to seven, you should know that the sixth trump, the sixth seal and the sixth vial, come before the seventh trump ,seventh seal and seventh vial…..Oh by the way the greek word pneuma is not meant as air, as in sky, but means ‘breath’ as in breath of life….Besides all of that, Christ told me I would be ‘delivered up’ for His name….I guess you are afraid of that, so you need an imaginary escape…….You quote scripture that has been mis-interpreted…try this………http://theseason.yolasite.com/
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Max jones
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 2:49pmRapturecomes….You just go on….try to fly away, with the first (false) Christ, as for me I revel in serving the Lord. Here in the “field.” 1-2-3-4-5-6-…SEVEN!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW4E83N8pog&feature=related
The truth is right there…..there is no mention of rapture EVER, till 1833, when Margaret Mcdonald had her “vision.” Look it up.
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Max jones
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:01pmRAPTURECOMES….I’ve got a question for you….I want to confirm your delusion. Here goes…….
Why is Cain not included in the geneology of Adam?
It is a simple straight forward question. Your answer will tell us whether your bible knowledge is real or driven by the traditions of man. Don’t run away from this question, as you want to run from the anti-christ. c’mon, man up……show me something.
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Max jones
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:06pmENCINOM…..You will be silenced by the truth, and, personally, It can’t come too soon. what a dolt.
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Max jones
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:26pmJuicebox….The food laws of the old testament could be called “health” laws. Eating shell fish catfish(which I love).turtle, pork, rattlesnake, possum, coon, alligator is not unforgivable to God, but just might kill you, or damage your health, making your job of serving His will more difficult. We could probably add a few more to this in our modern life….like refined flour and sugar…chemical preservatives and coloring.
Did you know that eating grasshoppers(locusts) was Ok? Yep.
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Granny58
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:34pm@Juicebox – the law against eating shellfish pertains specifically to the OT, and to the Jewish people, as far as I understand it. They were given a way to live to keep themselves separate and that included dietary laws. The dietary laws do not apply to Christians, or the NT. However, the rules about homosexuality are still valid per NT writings. The laws of the OT contain morality, tribal and ritual laws. Tribal and ritual laws apply to the Jews, morality laws apply to everyone…so are included in the NT.
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rangerskippy
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 5:50pmEncinom – your comment – “you would be much more comfortable in the robes of the klan, an organization that shares your hate filled version of Christianity than you would in the uniform worn by men of honor.”
There is only one version of Christianity, and this would be the Biblical version, where sinners get saved by Grace.
Skin color is benign and non-behavioral, and really has nothing to do with anything.
Homosexuality is a sexual perversion, just as child molestation, rape, and having sex with animals.
I have been wearing this uniform for 26 years now, and will be wearing it for a bit longer. My moral compass is grounded to the 1611 King James Bible.
If you want to talk racism, let us talk about democrats. They fought to keep blacks as slaves, they passed Jim Crow laws, segregated Washington (Woodrow Wilson), fought desegregation of our schools, and voted against Civil Rights (LBJ, Byrd, Gore…)
Margret Sanger (founder of Planned Parenthood) is a hero to democrats. She literally called for the genocide of blacks, but you and libs ignore such facts.
The modern day democrat puts up a facade of being a friend to blacks, but it is all a game. The took blacks from the cotton plantation, and moved them to the welfare plantation. Today, the black family is all but destroyed. 7 of 10 black babies are born into single parent homes. Millions of black babies are now being aborted; blacks make up 50% of last year’s murder victims, but dems are fine with thos
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gac1218
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 6:31pmthe rapture
I once wished as you do that we would be raptured out of here with no harm coming to us. When I decided to pray and study on my own without commentaries, sermons and religious talk distorting my thinking, it became very clear that this doctrine is false. While I believe in 2 raptures, (a changing from flesh to be christlike) neither of them occur pre or mid tribulation. The first is a gathering by the angels when Christ returns (Matthew 25) for his millenial reign and those gathered are the martyrs and those given to judge with him as regents during the millenium. The 2nd is after the millenial reign when the rest are raised. Rev 20.
This meeting in the air is with the Lord God himself at the blowing of the final trumpet, just prior to him destroying the old earth and old heaven. Why in the air? Because if your on the old earth or the old heaven you will be destroyed with them. The only safe plac is gathered to Him in the Ethos.
Now that I have given you some insight please study it yourself if you truly want truth and not just to be correct.
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Pigpen
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 6:50pmI care if people “make love to frogs”, UECHI. Because anyone who molests frogs is a SICK PERVERT, and I don’t want them roaming free in my country. But I DO APPROVE of not giving any credence whatsoever to this homosexual man’s assertions. The “Jesus Loves Me” defense should NEVER be allowed to silence the BADLY NEEDED public denunciation of homosexuality. Homosexuality is a SIN. And at best homosexuality is a SIN perpetrated by confused, mental health sufferers, and at worst it is a SIN perpetrated by deviant sexual predators.
(Yes, sorry ladies, I said predators. Look at the homosexual literature. It is RIFE with the ideal of CREATING CONVERTS to the “lifestyle”. Now what do you suppose THAT means? What TACTICS do you suppose are used to CONVERT an otherwise healthy young man into a so-called “twink”?)
So no, UECHI, I do not approve of bestiality, sodomy, pederasty, incest, etc. EVEN IF it is between consenting adults or consenting amphibians or whatever. Homosexuality is WRONG! And Jesus said so!
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Pigpen
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 7:00pmAnd if you are a Latter-Day Saint like Glenn Beck, then you need to DENOUNCE HOMOSEXUALITY too. And even more so if you are one of those Mormons who are ashamed of the Church’s historical practice of polygamy! Why? Because the LEGALIZATION of GAY MARRIAGE would FORCE the issue of Plural Marriage!
Remember that the ONLY reason the Prophet Wilford Woodruff gave for ending the practice of Plural Marriage was that “the laws of the nation [are] against [Plural Marriage] and [Plural Marriage has] the opposition of sixty millions of people” Go back and read Official Declaration 1 in the Doctrine & Covenants. Can you HONESTLY answer the Prophet’s question of what would happen TODAY if the Saints were to NOW practice Plural Marriage with the answer that there would be:
“the confiscation and loss of all the Temples, and the stopping of all the ordinances therein, both for the living and the dead, and the imprisonment of the First Presidency and Twelve and the heads of families in the Church, and the confiscation of personal property of the people (all of which of themselves would stop the practice)”
Is there ANY ROOM for HONESTLY believing that in the perverse world in which we live in TODAY -where “consenting adults” is the justification for ANY sexual deviancy whatsoever- that ANY of what the Prophet warned would happen THEN would happen NOW if Mormons started practicing Plural Marriage again?
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Pigpen
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 7:41pmIn fact, Latter-Day Saints, isn’t the TRUTH that in TODAY’S WORLD we stand in MORE DANGER of having our Temples confiscated if we continue to vocally promote the definition of marriage as ONE MAN-ONE WOMAN? Aren’t President Obama and the Whitehouse gestapo MORE LIKELY to take away our Temples (or at least our tax-exempt status on those Temples) if we continue to standby the notion that only ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN should be allowed to marry according to the Laws of the Land? Which is more likely (in TODAY’S WORLD) to bring down the wrath of the US Government on our heads: 1. We LDS stick to the one man-one woman marriage philosophy with the Born-again Christians or 2. We LDS allow for the “consenting adults” rule to govern marriage in the USA. Honestly, if you believe that President Wilford Woodruff IS A PROPHET and you believe that the question we should ask ourselves concerning the practice of Plural Marriage is “should we continue to do as we are doing now and lose our Temples or should we bow to the pressure of the US Government and the Will of the People and relent and thereby keep our Temples?” Then (if you are HONEST and you have been watching the same television shows, news, and broadcasts that I have been watching) …then you MUST ADMIT that the LDS Church is in MORE DANGER of President Woodruff’s dire warning by sticking to One Man-One Woman marriage than we would be by practicing Plural Marriage again today as “consenting adults”!
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gosutag
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 8:38pmRANGERSKIPPY: I only see a bunch of people here quoting a bible that has been edited more times they can count on their fingers, removing and adding parts that is likened to the editor. I much prefer the original bible in Ancient Greek and Ancient Hebrew, which I can actually read because I have studied those languages and in no way does it mean what your preacher has forced you to believe. Go use your time wisely and study the real bible, not that hunk of sliced tree you have and so ignorantly follow.
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rangerskippy
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:44pmgosutag
Are we supposed to be impressed?
If so, we are not.
So you have the original Greek manuscripts for the New Testament? If so, you are the only person that has them.
The Textus Receptus from Erasmus is the most accurate translation of the copies of Greek Texts that were done in Carne Greek (not the Classical Greek that Westcott and Hort used in their Alexandrian Texts).
The Textus Receptus is what the translators of the 1611 KJV used.
Regardless, the old and new testaments are clear that homosexuality is a perversion, and abomination, and that it is wicked.
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stage9
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 10:19pmMassachusetts state education officials release directive to force transgenderism into all schools
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen2/13a/trans_school_regs_021513/index.html
Enough said….
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kerijay
Posted on February 20, 2013 at 10:29amHomosexuals must belong to the “Obama Christ Church” Barack Obama: Our Lord and Savior
The U.S. has gone to Hell: This church was started in 2009 with 50,000 members
Is it any wonder God is coming down on the U.S.?
http://obama-christ.com/
http://obama-christ.com/join_obama_church.html
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encinom
Posted on February 20, 2013 at 10:42amIts fun to see racists and bigots like Max Jones and Ranger Dan, quote outdated books of fairytales, claiming that their sect uses the true version, somthing every other sect also claims, all the while avoiding the truth the culture war is over, the bigots lost. Their children’s generation has rejected the teachings of bigotry and are embracing there fellow citizens. Religion is proving itself to be a threat to any society in the modern age that seeks to advance. Religion is nothing more than a collection of superstitions and ancient hatreds.
Ranger Dan is proof positive why religious zealots, especially racist ones that complain about the mixing of the races and force others to read their books of fairy tales need to be purged from the military.
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G-WHIZ
Posted on February 20, 2013 at 11:30amDonna worry…Male+male cannot reproduce so they’ll be part of non-history…their “bloodline” will stop there instantaneously!!
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VanceUppercut
Posted on February 20, 2013 at 12:20pmHigh, I’m a Conservative, and I don’t think the government should be able to tell me what to do…but I do think they should be able to tell two consenting adults that they can’t get married. Also, I love Jesus, but I love money more.
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cgnick
Posted on February 20, 2013 at 12:23pmWow look at all of these internet preachers.
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simpletony
Posted on February 20, 2013 at 2:13pmAll of you might just want to check God’s word on this. Yes he wants them saved but avowed homosexuals are condemned to eternal death. Period. Read and weep and deal from this from a position of knowledge instead of stupid emotions.
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AsatruPride1979
Posted on February 20, 2013 at 4:46pmNo one is forcing any lifestyle on you. You’re just paranoid.
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Keatonc333
Posted on February 20, 2013 at 5:43pmEUCHI! I could not agree more! I wish people would just shut up about God sometimes.. I mean yay, you think hes God, and You think God hates gay people but stop trying to shove that bigotry down my throat!
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Keatonc333
Posted on February 20, 2013 at 5:45pmCan anyone explain this to me please! why are Christians ok with people getting re-married.. but lose their minds when ever gay rights are brought up? both are condemned in the bible! the only difference is Jesus actually preached against divorce and re-marriage while saying NOTHING about homosexuality.. so please explain to me the double standard!
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crystalsky
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:36amPastors love by telling people that sin is sin, Because the man on the train says Jesus is love Jesus loves me he says nothing about Jesus hating sin Jesus is not a baby in a manger Jesus loves but he is also judgement.The pastor is not hate he cares about the soul of people we don’t know how long we will have here in this life. I don’t think the other guy read the whole Holy Bible because he would see Jesus is Judgement to the prophecy in the Holy Bible last days is about people turning from GOD and not listening to him.He gives you more prophecy then any palm reader or medium or witch or warlock etc. He does forgive sin cause he loves the sinners not the sin. But he will also deal with the sinner if he does’nt turn to him. He will give them a antichrist and there are many false prophets and antichrist in the world But when people want Satan they will get him God will let the antichrist, False Prophet and Satan rule for a short while. God is freedom Satan and his will make you not buy with out his mark you will bow and worship the creep. He will oppress you and tell you what to do and the plagues will be on you because you did not worship the true and living God. The Holy Bible is about Love but it is also about Judgement, Hell, Heaven, As Christians It is still a hard life we still have things to deal with in our lives to. But we take it to Jesus. If we fall and sin we repent. God is a spirit they that worship him worship him in spirit and truth.God is not a Liar.
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shorelineliz
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:55amIf you do love and care about someone you tell them they are destroying their life with sin. However, the pastors comments about “two breasts” just made me shake my head. I have helped many gay people understand that their gay lifestyle, their sexual sin means death. In addition to the obvious physical problems with that lifestyle many are drinking and drugging themselves to death. I have known so many gay alcoholics. Their livers will do them in before anything else. Or a heart attack or stroke.
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John Valentine
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:32amThe homosexual can be absolutely correct. He can be a good man, and Jesus does love him. But if he wants to get to Heaven, he has to change his way-or try and keep trying to change. He has to do God’s will, not his will, which of course is tempered by a desire that brings a smile to his face, today.
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shorelineliz
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:40amChristian Theology asserts that “no one is Good but God.” Romans 7: we have two natures in us. Only the LORD ship of Jesus Christ which is active in us through the HOLY SPIRIT can produce goodness. On our own we cannot be good. Everything in the New Testament is referred to as “in Christ” or “through Christ” I can do all things. Apart we can do nothing. There is no way we can be good. That is a fiction wrought by secular humanistic philosophy which rampant in our culture. “being good”even defies a definition in this culture. For what passes for “good” in this culture is actually quite “evil” and man does not define what is “good.” Only God can do that.
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Max jones
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:51amMost folks make this a controversy. but it is easy to make sense of it, IF, one is a “lover of truth” That is first and foremost. TRUTH..
John 15:18
18If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. 19If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
….Hold strong to the Word.
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Max jones
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:57amLIZ….The Word of God, Defines “good” very effectively, It also describes SIN, very well. We are not born wise. We are born sinful and selfish, but understanding the Word of God IS the beginning of wisdom.
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DLV
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 12:17pmAs much as I disagree with the homosexual here, the preacher is stupid to be going about it in this way. He is only hurting his message.
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shorelineliz
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:26amOf course Jesus loves you BUT do you love Him? Prove it. “Take up your cross and follow Him.” Keep your clothes on. Treat other men and yourself with dignity and respect. PROVE You love him by obeying his commands. “the one who says he Loves God and doesn’t follow His commands is a liar.’
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chucksue351
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:40amremember to keep the Sabbath (saturday not sunday)
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BrutalTruth
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:12amChu, Jesus is the sabbath. Don’t you find it interesting that of all laws, the sabbath isn’t repeated when listed in the NT?
Didn’t Jesus violate your understanding of the sabbath? How can that be?
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gac1218
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:12amShore
My thoughts, exactly.
Chuck
You’re a Pharisee with no understanding of scripture and God’s heart.
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Max jones
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 12:04pmChuchSue…..Christ is our sabbath, our rest, our shelter. There IS no other. All of man’s traditions fall short. The church is now in apostasy, and is controlled by man’s traditions…..
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encinom
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 12:58pmDon’t forget to stone rape city rape victims like the bible says and that in the eyes of the bible honor killing and genocide are A-OKAY.
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theotherberean
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 2:21pmENCINOM are you really that mentally bankrupt? You’ve been shown time and again those things were under the OT covenant.
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 20, 2013 at 11:13amThen the whole OT is irrelevant. No ten commandments, no Noah, no creation myth. Gettin’ better!
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theotherberean
Posted on February 20, 2013 at 12:28pmDOORS Once again your ignorance rears its ugly head.
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encinom
Posted on February 21, 2013 at 12:28pm@The_Doors_Of_Perception According to theses Christians, the OT is like a buffet, you get to pick and choose the various, outdated rules you wish to cram down everyone else’s collective throats.
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BrutalTruth
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:26amToo many concentrate on a fictitious belief that God’s will is that you feel good or feel loved. Jesus walked this earth and spoke Truth. He wasn’t exactly loved for that. The Apostles and Paul did the same and they weren’t loved for that either.
I’m 52 and for all of that 52 years I’ve been a sinner and know I will always sin. I gave my life to Christ at 46. The difference is my desire has changed. As Paul said, “I die daily to my sin”
This gay man uses the name of Jesus to make himself feel better about his desire. God certainly will let him if he chooses to do so, but Salvation won’t be his. Everyone talks about God’s love, but deny He is also Just. God is Righteous. To accept otherwise, men create their own golden calf.
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shorelineliz
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:43amYes. I have talked to one Evangelical Christian after another about this and they all seem to think that the Gospel is about “feeling good about yourself” which is nothing but a cultural capitulation to secular humanistic philosophy. How can one go to bed with another man and do those things and “feel good” about themselves the next day in church? they must have to check their conscience at the door if they do. Or if they still have a working conscience. Which many do not.
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BrutalTruth
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:07amExactly. I don’t agree with the preacher in his choice of venue, but it’s interesting if you look at why this gay man didn’t just ignore the preacher. God’s laws are written on our hearts. This man heard Truth and it convicted him. Notice how his comment was about defending himself. That’s the power of His word. It’s also why so many “hate” those who speak it.
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Max jones
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 12:24pmRomans 9:13
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.( This is God talking.)…Kinda takes the the air out of a few bubbles out there doesn’t it?. Esau cared nothing about his family or birthright. Actions are important, but intention is even more so. Most people are more concerned with what other people think of them than what is true. Sugar coating the scripture is as dangerous as no Word at all….if not more so.
Read the Book of Jude. Find out what’s going on in the churches.
Come out of HER.
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BrutalTruth
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 1:17pmRight Max. It’s also interesting how the masses in church are all about unity. Their vision of unity is say nothing that will offend. The whole bible is about rebuking false thinking with Truth. They don’t understand unity in Christ is what’s important, not unity of man with men.
Most will never know Truth, because they are looking for comfort instead. It’s amazing, but when you seek the Truth, He ultimately provides. It just keeps me wondering how much I still don’t know. Talk about keeping one humble.
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Max jones
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:15pmBRTALTRUTH….I Know you are aware of your blessings and your discernment is righteous. I list you as true, my brother.
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abwehragent
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:19amA half-truth is still a full lie. Taking Scripture out of context sets up a false religion. For example: one verse refers to Judas going out and hanging himself, while another says go and do thou likewise. God’s Word is an all-or-nothing proposition. Yes, Jesus loves every person on the face of the earth. That is why He came to earth, lived a flawless life as God-become-man, allowed Himself to be sacrificed as the only sacrifice good enough to pay a debt we never could pay and give us a gift we never could deserve by our own works, then raised Himself from the dead to “seal the deal.” He did not do away with the laws of the Old Testament. No, His standards are even more stringent in the New Testament. By His Spirit we can live the right life here and have a perfect forever after. You can reject Him and His Word, but you cannot change the consequences that are written. You can deny there is gravity, claim you can defy it on your own; but when you jump from a tall building without a parachute you will still wind up stuff on the sidewalk.
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Pecos1
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:45amHe came to fulfill the Law, not to abolish it. You are right. Homosexuality is spoken about in the New Testament, but so many people like to use the lame argument that “Jesus didn’t talk about it, so it must not be relevant anymore!”. Problem with that line of thinking is, the only Laws HE commented on were ones that He decided to clarify and expound upon. Such as with eating certain things, He stated that if you ask God to bless your meal prior to eating, then nothing on the table or that is served would be considered unclean. Interestingly, nothing about homosexuality is specifically spoken about by Jesus, and I believe it is because no one raised the question about it because it was not a grave concern in Israel. When Paul spoke about it, he was in another country outside of Israel, and I believe someone had brought a question about it to him.
Thanks to so many false teachers, most non-Christians believe God hates homosexuals. If Jesus were here today, he would be hanging out with the same crowd as He did in the Bible. Just because gays are not specifically mentioned does not mean He never met any. The ONLY people Jesus ever yelled at in the Bible were the “religious” Jewish leaders of the time. There are only 4 mentions of Jesus paying a compliment to someone, and in every instance, the person was a Gentile, or non-Jew. Look it up. Amazing contrast from what most people, Christian and NON alike, want everyone to believe was the Person known as Jesus.
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Jezreel
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 10:05amIf you read Romans 1 carefully, you will find out that homosexuality is a result of the jugdgement of God.
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Pecos1
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 10:19amJezreel, I believe you are referring to this:
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[c] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[d] unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
God gave them the opportunity to change their ways, and when they refused, He stepped away and allowed them to condemn themselves. Free will, people. It can be a killer.
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 12:36pmGod I’m so glad there is no evidence any of this is real…phew…what a horrible truth that would be
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theotherberean
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 2:24pmDOORS There is substantial evidence. You just choose to reject it. Which is your God-given right, and is called free will.
That doesn’t mean you aren’t one of the elect.
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Max jones
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:33pmYour knowledge is a dangerous thing…….You will know what I mean, soon.
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Max jones
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:47pmpecos…..What makes homosexuality so dangerous is the Idolatry that comes with it. There are states of mind, that we humans can fall prey to, that are so difficult to recover from, that they represent death in human terms. The deep emotional ties we make on this earth, must be within the will of God, or we fail. Marriage- one man to one woman – is a crucible that purifies both, and brings the whole family closer to God. That’s why it is called a sacrament. It mirrors the relationship between Christ and his elect. Homosexual “marriage” is folly..
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 20, 2013 at 9:35am@Max Jones
Knowledge is a dangerous thing in North Korea too. I wonder why that is….???
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afishfarted
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:18amGays are a minority in our population but have forced their agenda on the rest of us. Hell, they’ve altered our language ! I can’t say ****** or queer but they can take on old word meaning a degree of happiness and turn it into something it was never meant to be.
When someone has the audacity to say “I’m gay and Jesus loves” me as a defense, it’s obvious it’s not a scriptural defense but a secular defense. If they were too actually read scripture they’d see that ******* are an abomination–that is unless you’re going to re-write sctipture.
As far as the preacher goes, his style of preaching is not what Chrst did either. he didn’t get in your face to preace the Word. Preachers like that do no good (as far as I can see anyway) for the Kingdom. Conforntational preaching is just as divisive as the queer community destroying our national traditions and values with their agenda
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Max jones
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 4:04pmOh, Christ got in their faces, just by being who he was, and was quite aware of it. But. he was also known to plait a ‘cat o’ nine tails’, and chase the “money changers” out of the temple. Don’t believe for a second that he was not fierce, at that moment.
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Exidor
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:16amPillow biting drama queen.
We’ve got bigger problems…….
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RIDEMODELS
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 10:26pmAnd you have the quote of the day.
I am sick and sick and sick and tired of listening to these Gay men/women push their ways on everyone else…….Besides if Kate Upton had been on that subway instead of the preacher then I am sure that man would have been Straight at that moment in Time….!!
Gay men only act Gay so they can score women or to get Government assistance, so there is a little secret for you ladies out there……Gay can either be a sickness or a way of life, but it cannot be both.
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Texan832
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:12amWOW ! I am amazed at this groups ovrall lackof knowledge of scripture and its application. I marvel that ye so soon removed from the gospel….I think Paul once said that, yes he did to the church he set up in Galatia. Listen people if you choose to post on this topic do so with a Book hapter and verse. ” Study to show thyself approved unto God rightly dividing the word of Truth” ,,,Handle it correctly it is not some meaningless collection of characters to be wrestled from its context to suit your cureewnt emotional outburst at the moment.
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shorelineliz
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:32amWhat is even more disgusting in my view is this man’s rant up above. “I’m gay and Jesus loves me?” Where did he pick up this Gospel pray tell? Everywhere. As if he can remain in his current state, a defiant sexual state to the Lord’s death for his sexual sins, and then he just can remain in this state? Who taught this man what he is ranting about up above? This is NOT the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ who died for sin and sinners so that they could “repent” or “metanoia” which means “run the other way” or “flee from sin.” It takes a “mind change” to leave the gay lifestyle. It takes active repentance and “fleeing sexual temptation.” But, as I often have heard in so many Evangelical churches we are not supposed to “judge” anyone’s behavior. Just love them like Jesus does while excusing all kinds of sin. This is exactly the “Gospel” this guy is getting. He erroneously believes that because “jesus loves me” he can sin sexually with no consequences. Welcome to Evangelical Christianity 101. You have entered the delusional zone. “the wages of sin are death” and “sin rots a man’s bones”. If he really knew and had internalized the love of Jesus he would be crying on all fours like a baby. But CHEAP GRACE taught in so many churches leaves him drowning in his sexual sins and ranting on a subway.
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Texan832
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:53amI would challenge even the casual Bible reader to find a more agreesive adversary to sin than Jesus. Dont forget he called the Scribes Parisees and Sadducees ,,a den of vipers on more than one occasion. Also Jesus Always confronted error with truth. FOr those who would reallt like to research this I suggest a Reaing of Romans Chapter 1 verses 21 and following.
Where people get off with “Judge not least you be judged” is that they are really saying dont confront me in my sin . Yeah well that doesnt hold water. We are to be fruits inspectors. We are to employ empiral evidence to determine if should or shgould not associate witha group or person.
By their fruits you shall know them.
Does it smell like an apple
Does it look like an apple
Does it taste like an apple
Does it behave like an apple
is the fruit ripe or rotten?
YOu can eat rotten fruit if you want and risk fellowship with those not of Christ, I will not so do, my salvation is too important.
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justsayin456
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 10:02amYou’re amazed by THIS group’s lack of knowledge? Seriously?
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Texan832
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 10:30amNormally this bunch is a touch more inteligent than ohter forums. Given that this topic is touching relgion and morality I sorta expected better. I was expecting this level of dumbassery.
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TEXASGRANNY73
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:33am1 Corinthians Chapter 13 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
2. And if I have the gift of prophecy, and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.
3 . And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I deliver my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing.
4. Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant.
5. does not act unbecomingly; it does not SEEK it’s own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered,
6. does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8. Love never fails, but if there are gifts or prophecy, they will be done away, if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge it will be done away.
For we know in part, and we prophesy in part;
10. but, when the perfect comes the partial will be done away.
11. When I was a child, I used to speak as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things.
12. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I shall know fully just as I also have been known fully.
15. But now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
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Texan832
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 12:21pmNow granny please explain how this pertains to the topic of homosexuality? If your intent was love i suggest looking up the word in the Koine greek in which the Corithian letters werew written , the greek words for love, as used in the NT are Agape and Fileo. One is brotherly , thats the fileo. Agape love is the seeking a greater good good for another.
It is the love of mens souls that drives good preachers to preach the truth, confront error and battle against false doctrines and teachings where ever they may be found,,out of the agape love they have for everone else.
Please define your terms and intent.
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girlnurse
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 2:04pmLoving the gay man would be telling him the truth so he can avoid hell. Jesus told the woman at the well about ALL the sexual/relationship sins she had commited and then He said; “Go and sin no more”. He didn’t say I love you and do whatever you want”….I couldn’t even understand what they were saying in the video…not impressed if that was supposedly preaching.
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Max jones
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:58pmTEXAN832…..Yes, for some this forum is a fine chance for witness. Also a good place to expose false teaching.
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Max jones
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 4:33pmLIZ….
Of course most people find queer thinking”disgusting”.. But I think its funny…funny- ha ha!
For the last 3 decades I have been studying the working of the ‘Kenites’. The monkey wrenches they have been throwing into the work of God’s will, have been turned back upon them every time and at every instance. And I love seeing the truth devour their efforts at every turn. Illustrated most gloriously when they killed Jesus, the man, and bestowed upon the world a savior, redeemer and comforter…….Oh, the irony…..
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Max jones
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 4:39pmTexan Granny’s intent is to try to convince herself that one can be a queer and go to heaven…..She must have a homosexual grandchildren she’s covering for, Instead of witnessing to, for fear of ‘offending’ them. APOSTATE Christianity.
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HOOT_OWL
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:11amThat would be Satan, that wants you to believe there is nothing wrong with a ‘homosexual lifestyle’
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Pecos1
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 10:38amThe great deceiver strikes again.
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 12:38pmmmmmmmmuuuuuuuuuahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha….ha…
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Max jones
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 4:15pmDOORS__TO_PERDITION..
2 Peter 3:3
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
ooooooooooo-…got your number!
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 20, 2013 at 8:18amOooooh Max you got me shaking in my boots…oh no, what should I do!? You’re threats are empty…you are going to hell because you don’t worship Allah. Scared? Didn’t think so. Why don’t you go scare and damage your grandkids with that garbage.
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rangerskippy
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:06amevery super power nation in the history of the world that has accepted homosexuality as normal, has soon after collapsed
Gays are only 2.5% of the total population, and they make up 64% of all syphilis cases, made up 57% of new HIV cases last year, did 1/3 of all child molestations in America, have some of the highest suicide rates, have above average alcohol and drug abuse rates. They are a sick and diseased people who are prone to crime, abuse, and immoral behavior.
There is no gay gene. Homosexuality is not a choice, it is a series of bad choices that leads to destruction for the individual, and the nation that accepts or promotes them
Just like rape, child molestation, swinging, bestiality…. homosexuality is a sexual perversion. It is not the norm, and it never can be.
World history shows homosexuality to be destructive to nations. Medicine shows homosexuality to be destructive to families and individuals. Bible shows homosexuality to be wicked and hated by God (Lev 18:22, Romans chapter 1).
The family is the most basic unit of governance and education. When the family falls, the nation falls. Homosexuality is an act against the family, against ones self, and against God.
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almont
Posted on February 20, 2013 at 5:17amHere are some more stats
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1502263/posts
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florida123
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:06amWho cares……….
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Locked
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 8:55amPreachers like these lead more people away from Christ’s love than toward it. When your best lines are winners like these:
““You can’t put to men together,” he continued. “Men don’t got no breasts.””
… You’ve stepped away from the Gospel and onto the Crazy Train. “Jesus is love” is a lot more succinct, accurate, and biblical than the words of the preacher.
Homosexuality is a sin, but I’m sure everyone on that train is a sinner – including the preacher. Singling out gays for ridicule isn’t biblical; it’s antagonistic and done only to attract attention (and sadly, negative attention; the kind which groups like the Westboro Baptist Church thrive upon). The preacher needs to reread Matthew 6:6. I’ll be including both him and the gay man in my prayers tonight.
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Gonzo
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:03amI couldn’t agree more. Hetero adultery is as great a sin (among others), but the Westboro knuckleheads and guys like this never point that out. I’m afraid guys like this turn more people away from Christ than to Him.
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stage9
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:16amAgreed, we should just tell people that “Jesus is love” and do away with all of the consequences of their sin, that way when they die and stand before the judgment seat of Christ they will be totally caught off guard when God pronounces them guilty and sentences them to hell.
But let’s not just pick on gays, we should also allow adulterers, murderers, thieves and all the rest to live according to the moral dictates of their own minds or that of culture, because as we all know culture is the best gauge of moral absolutism. Culture ALWAYS gets it right. CULTURE is god in America!
Yes, Jesus loved the world enough to die for it, but the Bible also says that “Whoever believes (puts one’s trust) in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”
Is the gay man “obeying God” according to the very Bible that possesses our only record of the words: “God is love”? or does the “wrath of God” abide upon him because he refuses to obey?
We absolutely LOVE to paint ourselves better than we are, we sinners. We love to think of our sin as a mere play thing; that God is not serious about our sin; that He will just look the other way.
He will not. God is very long-suffering, but He is no fool and He will administer justice if we refuse to repent. Would any natural, man-made court do any less? Why would God?
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:20amLOCKED, Spot on post!
GONZO, I do like the way you put that, “Westboro knuckleheads.” I refuse to ever call them a church, and the Baptists say that Westboro has never even applied for any kind of franchise. Of course, those radical left wing loony Democrat supporter of Al Gore will never mention infidelity. They have their own agenda, and frankly, they sound only slight worse that Code Pink. Always keep in mind how these screwball organizations always come out of the left. It is so funny how they have to manufacture complaints about the TEA Party, then refuse to look at themselves. Furthermore, our loony trolls just keep trying to hold Westboro against us. None are so blind as those who refuse to see.
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stage9
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:20amOh, and love doesn’t always lead people to Christ. If it did, then knowing that Jesus loved Him, the gay man should be walking in freedom from the sin of homosexuality, but is he? We don’t know by this information, but the fact that he admits to still being “a gay man” suggests otherwise.
Jesus loves us, but He loves us enough to free us from sin. After all, He loved us enough to die to see it eradicated.
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Gonzo
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:30am“We absolutely LOVE to paint ourselves better than we are, we sinners.” Exactly my point. You may think you are “better” in the eyes of God than others, but without Christ and repentance, you no better in His eyes than any other sinner. I remember Jesus getting into trouble with the Pharisees over befriending sinners. He showed them that He loved them and asked them to follow Him. These guys screaming at gays are more like the Pharisees than Christ.
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shorelineliz
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:37amI was never taught that Jesus is love. I was taught that Jesus is LORD. That means i was supposed to bow to his lordship in my life. I was supposed to take all my carnal lusts and desires and sins and put them on the cross. Nail my sins to the cross. Give them up for him. Make him Lord of every aspect of my life. I do not know where they GAY MAN got that Jesus is Love. Where is the Jesus is Lord crowd anyway? I was taught that to PROVE my love for Jesus I was to make him Lord of my life. The “good” gay man has once again not heard, “No one is Good but God.” St. Anselm
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Locked
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:53am@Stage9
“Oh, and love doesn’t always lead people to Christ.”
I definitely agree! Nothing will lead all people to Christ; the best we can do is spread the Good News and try to lead through example. And no offense to this preacher, but I think he’s setting a pretty rotten example of what a good Christian would be doing!
In the end you can’t “force” faith upon anyone. However (as the saying goes) you attract more flies with honey than with vinegar. It’s a universal reaction that people are more receptive to kindness than condemnation… especially from strangers on a train.
@Gonzo
Well said in both posts. You’re better with explaining the situation than I am :-)
@Shorelinez
“I was never taught that Jesus is love. I was taught that Jesus is LORD.”
I’m sorry for your religious education then, as I was taught both just by reading the Bible. Jesus is Lord and deserves our love; but He is also God, the source of all love in the first place.
The nature of love is that you willingly submit yourself to the one you love; but “willingly” is the key term. Forcing someone to submit to God is not love; it’s domination and slavery. If you only read “Jesus is Lord” and ignore “Jesus is Love,” then you’re missing the key factor that makes them both true!
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4truth2all
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:26amYo Locked:
Well, looky here … I actually MOSTLY agree with you here.
What I would add is this … Jesus is “much more” then love, If that is the only message in ones preaching it would be an injustice to His full message. He, as I hope you know, but you did not mention has a burning hatred of evil/sin and is a God of justice and holy righteousness.
By the way you proved NOTHING … my own words proved that I did NOT say/refer to the issue that homosexuals ARE rattlesnakes. Don’t know what you were looking at ???????? ( yeah, I know …canned air).
From: Chipy the fuffly cupcake liar … good day
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Locked
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 2:38pm@4truth2all
“What I would add is this … Jesus is “much more” then love”
Well, obviously. Leaving it like that is akin to saying “air is invisible.” Sure, it’s true, but it’s not really the important details.
“By the way you proved NOTHING”
I honestly have no idea what you’re saying here. Perhaps you need to sleep a while longer?
“… my own words proved that I did NOT say/refer to the issue that homosexuals ARE rattlesnakes.”
Ohhhh, you’re on a topic from last week. Yikes… Well, you’re right Mr. Cupcake. But apparently you missed where I pointed out your wording is a strawman. Please, look back into the part where I asked you if you knew what a correlation was… because you’re still not getting it. You compared homosexuals to rattlesnakes, without any reasoning behind it (and when pressed on the point you simply denied multiple times rather than addressing it).
Hope that helped clear the matter up for you! But if your previous responses are any indication, I’d wager you’ll just deny it more in the future :-)
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4truth2all
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 2:56pmYo Locked:
You keep acting the jeck … so …
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DLV
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 4:33pmLocked and Truth- No fighting Christians! You’re both this…. :) Awake and alive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aJUnltwsqs
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Max jones
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 4:56pmWestboro Knuckleheads…….haha. The Nazis thought themselves ”Christians”, did they not?
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Max jones
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 5:31pmGonzo…the key here is repentance. Forgiveness is God’s greatest gift to mankind, his mercy knows no bounds, but, it has got to be for the right reason He loves all his children and would that all accept the truth, and come to him. But he respects no man, and stands as true and fair, judge of all..By His standard and no other. In the end I believe we, each one, carries his own judgement, truth, with him throughout his whole life. Those negatives a man repents of fall away, and the Lord tells us to not mention them ever again, and he will not either.. .
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4truth2all
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 5:37pmYo DLV:
I agree, I even included some humor at statements he previously meant as mocking … trying to bury the hatchet …guess it didn’t work … but thanks … peace
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Gonzo
Posted on February 20, 2013 at 1:18pmMax, that’s why I said :”but without Christ and repentance, you no better in His eyes than any other sinner.”.
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Locked
Posted on February 21, 2013 at 8:09am@DLV
I think you misunderstand; I don’t fight with 4truth2all. I’m trying to teach him how to discuss topics in a logical and consistent manner. He might think of it as a fight (I can see no reason why he seemingly follows my posts several days after the last comment), but I consider it tough love :-)
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James
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 8:52amWhy do those who deny the deity of Yeshua and the authority of his word insist that he accept them as they are? Why is their desire for His Love, while their mouths speak that he didn’t exist or that he did not mean what he said. Because there is a God sized hole in every mans heart. We all need his very Holy presence in our lives.
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SquidVetOhio
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 8:51am“What the hell are you teaching our children that two men that lay together and have sex,”
Ok. Let’s just stop right there. I don’t know any real preachers that go around saying “What the hell…”. I’m getting pretty sick of the Blaze acting like Hollywood and putting up some obscure story of some half-wit “Christian” acting like a moron to make the rest of us look bad.
Getting really old.
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encinom
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 1:05pmCause right wing Christians look bad all on their own, the spew hate and bigotry, they prove the Westboro Bapist Church is the main stream of the right’s views of christian belief.
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branch manager
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 1:43pmEncinom…What color are panties today?
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theotherberean
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:03pmENCINOM… one word… Vagasil.
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watashbuddyfriend
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 8:48amThat ‘preachers’ needs to get hold of some Bible Doctrine! Being Gay is like unto being ‘left-handed’ in a ‘right-handed’ world! The person had no choice in it, but must suffer through the ordeal.
Now, HEAR this; the only thing that will keep one out of Heaven is to NOT believe in Jesus Christ. We ALL were created to sin, and that is why God gave each of us the OSN at copulation!
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tbeachhead
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 8:52amSilly nonsense: The rapist has no choice in it? The child predator has no choice in it? Sin is clearly defined, and choices are clearly made according to what we know…It’s too bad you have bought into a lie that is promulgated by a self-serving and degenerate “science” that has no science at all…
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Locked
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 8:59am@Tbeachhead
Rape and homosexuality are both sins, but equating them as you do is about as valid as equating cursing with genocide. On a moral-but-non-biblical scale you’ve also terribly missed the point by equating rape with consensual sex.
Watash is correct – no matter what sins people commit or don’t commit, the only thing that will get you eternal life is belief in Christ. Perhaps you need to reread the Bible.
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dlc137
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:26amThe bible says that not everyone who says to me “Lord, Lord, shall enter into heaven but he who does the will of my Father. Take more than just believing in Jesus and his love…it takes obedience, sacrifice and true surrender to his will.
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Polarized America
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:34am..Gay’s cannot “procreate” which is the meaning of sex, so they do it for pleasure, therefore it’s a Sin, Heterosexual’s that use contraception to avoid “procreation” must also have sex for pleasure, which must be considered a Sin and a Perversion as well don’t you think ?
as for me … well… a women has a way of bringing out the devil in me …lol…./;-)
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Locked
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:57am@Polarized
Where is pleasure labeled as a sin? Adultery is a sin, as are homosexual actions; but the idea that all sex must lead to procreation is primarily Catholic dogma, not a biblical ordinance (and it’s not realistic either; even the RCC endorses the use of “natural family planning” for a loophole).
If you have Scripture to back up that sex must be devoid of pleasure, or that all sex must lead to procreation, I’d be glad to read it.
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Polarized America
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 10:16am@LOCKED….i’m no Biblical scholar that’s for sure,so”Lust” & “be fruitful and multiply” is all i have.
i guess my point is that most of us are sinners and if people need to look inside themselves
and i think most people use the Bible as a Moral code… that’s fine with me..but if you wanna look a Morals & Society, there’s seems to be plenty to look at…..
btw… if people really want to go to Heaven, i hope their not depending on what they know about the Bible… but rather what they do with their lives .. just knowing whats in the Bible is a form of “Dogma”
in my opinion …………… .
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Polarized America
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 10:25am.
…O i forgot….”.judge not ” is another one ….is that in the Bible ?
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4truth2all
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 1:29pmYo Polarized_America:
Scripture says …”do not mearly READ the Word DO what it says … how can to do as God asks if you don’t read the instructions?
Also … “correct, rebuke, and encourage” …etc. seems to contradict your statement of judging … it is true that God judges the heart ,because only He knows the heart.
Question … do you know HOW we are to correct,rebuke, and encourage ? If not maybe you should read the manuel … have a good one …
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encinom
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 2:10pmOf course in the bible you punish the rape victims along with the sinners.
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Max jones
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 5:12pmWATASHBUDDYBUDDY……Satan himself knows exactly who and what Christ is….He believes in Christ, because he has met Him. Has no choice. That hasn’t saved him.
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Max jones
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 5:18pmLOCKED……….. Faith without works is dead. Faith in Christ is the door….Go through that door into the working of the will of God.
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 20, 2013 at 8:23amThis is why all of this is an atheists nightmare…Polarized American believes a book written by god say’s homosexuality is an abomination…a sin. Yet he hasn’t even read it….there is godd*** book written by the creator of the cosmos, in your mind, and you haven’t read it!!?? WTF!?
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4truth2all
Posted on February 20, 2013 at 10:30amYo Doors:
A “christian” is “born again” … that means they start ALL over spiritually as a baby in their faith and understanding, and are to grow, thus becomming more matue in their faith. I also, by what was said by “Polarized” believe that they do have some knowledge of scripture.
I also believe that the concience of men testifies to the truth that homosexuality is a sin … but as scripture says… “the concience of men is seared so they are given over to their lusts” ( paraphased) … so they justify their evils against the testimony of their concience … hence the attitude of; “would you please shut up” … the truth does indeed hurt self imposed deceptions of the heart.
… good day
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 20, 2013 at 11:16amStop with that BS. This book was WRITTEN BY GOD!!!!!!!!!! What are you doing!!! don’t go to work, don’t watch tv, don’t do anything until you have read it cover to cover…over and over…it was written by the creator of the cosmos for heavens sake!!!!! Geez. Maybe if god wasn’t such a bad writer more people who believe in him would actually read his book…
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theotherberean
Posted on February 20, 2013 at 3:58pmDOORS if you keep up this ignorant tirade, we may have to change your username to IGNORANT TWERP II. DEVON has already secured the designated IGNORANT TWERP position so you’ll have to sit second seat to him in your ignorance.
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tbeachhead
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 8:46amA gay man, and a good man…and Jesus loves me. All probably true. The problem is “a good man” by his standards changes the standard. In a society where everyone does what seems right in his own eyes, there is no right…and no rights remain. God has a standard…and He is not coming for His groom. And that’s the unfortunate truth hidden in the oxymoron of “good” disobedience and “good” rebellion. God does make His will very clear…as clear as He makes His purpose. When the “good” gay man loves pleasure more than God, the judgment he will inevitably face will be based on his own choices, not on Jesus’ love for him. Jesus would have taken Jerusalem under His arm…but Jerusalem would have none of Him.
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Bootlegger97
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:09amExactly right.
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naughtycal
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 8:45amJesus loves us all and I’m sure it saddens him to that we all can’t join him. But gays are a slave to their sexuality and homosexuality is a sin. You don’t get punished for living a sinnful life because Jesus hates you. You get punished for the sin. Jesus is love his love is absolute but there are rules that you must adhere to to go into heaven. I know that Jesus can see into the hearts of man and trust me gay people there won’t be a shortage of hetrosexuals in hell either.
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StatenJM
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 8:44amIt is really getting sad to see a crap understanding and preaching of the Gospel repeated over and over. People really need to stop saying Jesus is love…it is inaccurate, if anything love is Jesus, may seem like semantics, but the first is saying that love is greater than Jesus and Jesus in a sense belongs to love instead of what it should be, if your going to represent it this way… which is Jesus illustrates what love is, but being greater than just love itself.
Another thing that needs to be made clear, everyone apart from true repentance and belief on Christ has God’s wrath upon them, for it is what we build up for ourselves whenever we sin. And the response from the gay person would *seem to indicate* he doesn’t know the Gospel and therefore can’t possibley repetend and started believing on Christ which would mean God’s wrath is still upon him.
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 12:46pmPeople should just stop pretending to know anything about Jesus. No one knows what he really said or what he was really like.
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theotherberean
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:00pmNo one?
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Max jones
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 5:37pmDOOR_TO_PERDITION…..I think I smell some proglib projection here somewhere……O wait its just ignorance….whew…… stinky.
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 20, 2013 at 8:26am@theother & especially Max
Good rebuttal guys! Now I totally know how you know exactly what Jesus was like and what he said. You guys are soooo smart!!! You have all the answers!!!! My GAWD!
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theotherberean
Posted on February 20, 2013 at 4:03pmDOORSOFIGNORANCE. That’s half way to IGNORANT TWERP II. I say you go for it.
In your ignorance, you made a bald assertion which I challenged with a valid and rational question – “no one?”
Instead of answering, you played the fool. As usual.
Can you answer, or are you just an IGNORANT TWERP?
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thibx
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 8:44amJesus goes with you to the gates of hell but you go through the gate alone. homosexuality is a horrible sin it is not something you were born with and God says you won’t enter heaven.
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 12:48pmI visited hell the other day…eh not so bad
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4truth2all
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 1:22pmYo Doors:
Then you weren’t there … = foolish statement
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 20, 2013 at 8:27amno I’m serious…it’s really not that bad…a lot cool people down there.
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RIDEMODELS
Posted on February 20, 2013 at 9:27pmAl Sharpten is not in Hell..Yet.
Gay men only act Gay to score chix……oh my my my the secret is out.
And for that you shall rot in Hell for eternity.
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columbus_tony
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 8:41amFrom the Gawker???? Really Beck? More and more each day I am losing faith in this vision of yours.
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willingtoupe
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 8:38amIdentities based on habitual, sexual, acts performed in the bedroom which results a foul stench similar to the men’s public bathroom.
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FlagWavingPatriot
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 8:37amWhy are these deviants so hetrophobic?
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jcldwl
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 8:35amYes He does love you but he abhores your sin and unless you repent of it and believe in him you will not make it to Heaven. That is unfortunately what homosexuals don’t understand. The choice they make to live a homosexual lifestyle is a choice to live a life controlled by Satan. God created man, when he saw he needed a partner, he created woman. Homosexuality is just Satan’s attempt to kill the seed of man.
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Gonzo
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 8:34am“I’m a man and I’m a good man — and I’m a gay man and Jesus loves me.” Yep, He does. That’s why He wants you to repent and follow Him so you don’t spend eternity in hell.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 8:46amGONZO, Absolutely right, the lord welcomes him into his fold just as much as he does with the rest of us sinners.
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Gonzo
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 8:53amRoger that R.J.
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Locked
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 9:00amWell said, both RJJ and Gonzo.
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