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Proposed Bill Would Force Gun Owners in NY to Buy At Least $1 MILLION in Liability Insurance or Forfeit ‘Privilege’ to Own a Firearm

Feb. 19, 2013 11:30pm Jason Howerton

Anti Gun Bill Introduced in NY Would Force Gun Owners to Purchase At Least $1 MILLION in Liability Insurance

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The anti-gun bills continue to roll in. The latest bill, introduced in the New York State Assembly by Democrat Assemblyman Felix Ortiz, seeks to force all gun owners to purchase at least $1 million in liability insurance to cover any damages caused by firearms. It would be a mandatory requirement for anyone who owns a gun, as those who refuse to comply within 30 days would have their firearms confiscated.

“Any person in this state who shall own a firearm shall, prior to such ownership, obtain and continuously maintain a policy of liability insurance in an amount not less than one million dollars specifically covering any damages resulting from any negligent or willful acts involving the use of such firearm while it is owned by such person,” the bill, AO3908, states.

“Failure to maintain such insurance shall result in the immediate revocation of such owner’s registration, license and any other privilege to own such firearm,” the bill adds.

Further, even if a New Yorker’s gun is stolen, they are still responsible for any damage incurred until a loss or theft is reported to the police. The bill has been reportedly been passed along to the Assembly’s Insurance Committee, according to the Washington Times.

The Examiner estimates that simple liability insurance for $1 million would cost gun owners about $1,600-2,000 annually.
Lawmakers in California, Maryland and Massachusetts have introduced similar bills aimed at forcing gun owners to purchase liability insurance.

The bill comes after New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo signed into law the toughest gun laws in the nation, enacting a ban on semi-automatic rifles and limiting magazine capacity to seven. It appears that New York lawmakers still aren’t satisfied.

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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:56pm
And so the anti-gun agenda to undermine the second amendment continues across the nation; Obama will have massive and all-encompassing gun-seizures and gun-control at the state level and then declare it via executive order and regulation under the Obama-care (bullet induced lead poisoning) laws, and the tyranny will be complete.

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- Puddle Duck
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 12:16am
  Our only real course of action left that makes any sense at all in the face of what is coming is to secede. It saddens me to say such a thing. I’ve spent some considerable time away from this board contemplating what should be done (in the wake of recent events and how they are being ruthlessly, shamelessly exploited by the leftists)……we have no other choice IMHO..it’s time to secede.
  
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- nzkiwi
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 12:53am
  I refuse to lose my faith in Americans, Snow, but that is, nevertheless, a frightening possibility given the unconvincingly explained and massive arms and ammunition purchases by government agencies recently…
  
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- S G Applebee
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 1:31am
  HELLO, is anyone listening? Being able to own a gun is a RIGHT, not a “privilege”!
  
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- nzkiwi
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 1:39am
  You know, Snow, I’ve been wondering about the administration’s concentration on the AR 15 above other weapons. It is, after all, the weapon that, arguably, kills the least people in your country.
  
  It occurs to me that it is the best weapon in public hands to defend against an attack by government forces.
  
  Is that too far-fetched? It probably is, but still…
  
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- ashestoashes
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 2:14am
  This brings to mind the O administration fronting assault weapons to Hezbollah Drug Cartel in Mexico..and suing Arizona for trying to keep them out of their state..What a lovely idea…they can make all law abiding citizens pay for a one million dollar liability policy for the Constitutional Right to own a gun..hum..I guess illegals and criminals won’t nor can they possibly be held to that standard huh? Gee..isn’t it nice that criminal communists have gained so much momentum in America..
  
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- Thatsitivehadenough
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 2:23am
  Don’t do it. These communists will NOT stop until they weaken every American they can possibly weaken. Threaten your representatives with re-calls if they proceed with this.
  
  Blame Roberts for allowing the gov to force HC as a TAX.
  
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- 104thTimberwolves
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 2:45am
  Bumper Sticker of the Year!
  The same idiots that say it’s physically impossible to deport 11 million illegal aliens are the same idiots that think they can get rid of 300 million guns.
  Good Luck!
  
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- nzkiwi
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 2:47am
  Having just now given this some thought, consider this:
  
  Many think that the American Revolution was sparked by the “Boston tea party”, but that is actually not the case.
  
  In 1775 a small British contingent arrived at Concord, Massachusetts with the intention of disarming the civilians there. Some 70 Americans – private citizens – stood defiantly against 700 to 800 British soldiers, refusing to be disarmed. It was a standoff.
  
  Then somebody – nobody knows who – fired “the shot heard around the world”, and so began that savage conflict.
  
  Americans had not rebelled because of the many new taxes imposed. Not the “Sugar Act”, or the “Stamp Act”. or even the “Quartering Act” (requiring colonists to house and feed British troops), These were all grudgingly accepted, but the British wanted to be sure that their troops could control the colony if rebellion occurred.
  
  When the British came for the American’s guns, they lit the fuse to the powderkeg that eventually blew them out of the continent.
  
  Does one not think that Mr Obama and his fellow travellers should study the history books before embarking on an enterprise fraught with unforseen consequences?
  
  Do they care that they might spark a second revolution, proving that the tree of liberty must indeed inevitably be watered?
  
  Or do they simply not care about the nation that they lead, beyond it being a vehicle for their ideological experimentation.
  
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- nzkiwi
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 3:06am
  An interesting side note:
  
  Only one man died that day, as the Americans wisely retreated before overwhelming odds. I have always found it ironic that the first American patriot to die in the revolution of 1776 was a black man…
  
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- nzkiwi
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 3:12am
  On second thoughts, perhaps this site was the wrong place to point out the origins of your revolution, as most of the people on this site are very knowledgeable.
  
  My apologies if it sounded like I was trying to teach your grandmothers to suck eggs…
  
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- Patriot72
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 3:40am
  @Kiwi Heya NZKiwi. Thank you for the commentary and insight. As someone who put in 4 years in your country, I can say that a lot of Kiwis can appreciate the self-reliance, hard work and liberty-loving culture that we have in the U.S. They, and a lot of our like-minded friends around the globe, look at what is going on in the States and scratch their heads wondering why in the fiddly-feeok we are trying to fix something that wasn’t broken. You take care.
  
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- gyro
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 3:48am
  OR Snowleopard all this gun stuff is just so people do not see the real agenda
  It is like giving a mad dod a stick to bite and shake on when you are sneeking behind it to wack it over he head
  If you keep the people screaming yelling over one thing imagine what you can do when they are preoccupied ?
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 4:30am
  Privilege?
  
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- burke
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 5:51am
  We all know where the next bullet should go.
  
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- Gary_K
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 6:26am
  I think this insurance idea is great.
  
  Lets take it a step further and hold the NY government to a higher standard than the taxpayers. All the legislators and the NY govenor have to buy and maintain a millionin dollar insurance policy on EACH firearm owned by every policing agency in NY, from every towConstablelesheriffif, trooper aninvestigativeve agency within the state. They should also purchase insurance for EACH firearm for each and every agent from another state. They must alspurchasece the insurance on EACH firearm in or brought in the state that is owned by the US military or policing officer.
  
  The Govonor and every legislator will be held criminally liable if for any reason a citizen of NY or any other state is killed or injured with any one of these firearms.
  
  Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.
  
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- TomFerrari
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 6:44am
  Ah, the old poll tax on the Second Amendment. I was wondering when it would surface. Only rich people will be able to legally defend themselves. What an utter bunch of hypocritical self-absorbed, activist, fascist, #commiecrats / morons in our ruling class. Claiming they are against the wealthy, and yet creating and hiking tax after tax upon those of minimal means. Tax and spend. Tax and spend. Give no regard to the result of your actions; so long as you appear to be “active” and / or “caring.”
  
  Appalling.
  
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- nzkiwi
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 6:44am
  @ Monk
  
  Yeah, “privilege”.
  
  How’s that for an expression of contempt…
  
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- BSdetector
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 6:52am
  So when is it time to, as Jefferson said, to “refresh the Tree of Liberty with the blood of Patriots and Tyrants”?
  
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- redfish52
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 6:56am
  How are they going to be able to lock us all up….the prison system is so overcrowded now that they are letting hardened criminals loose before their time is up now…
  
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- Your_Senile
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 7:11am
  This is what you must know
  
  Adding a 300% Federal Tax to bullet purchases will reduce gun violence
  
  it is so
  
  Your Senile
  
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- naughtycal
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 7:33am
  Sounds to me like gun owners in NY are about to make millions in law suits for violation of their Constitutional rights.
  
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- zman173rd
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 8:04am
  I told my wife when Obama said he would tax the coal industry to the point of bankruptcy that he would also tax us on anything he could to make us give it up. THIS is an example of how he will take your guns. “You can own a gun, but the taxes (insurance in the this case) will make so prohibitve to own one, you can’t afford to.” There are too many laws that we have allowed this country to have, in the name of security, that we’ve already set in motion to kill the old USA and enable the new USSA.
  
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- jettson
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 8:40am
  Relax people this will never fly no matter what you are hearing. Every fool in america is thinking of the most stupid things to make up just to get noticed. I wish people would find solutions that will make sense. This one is stupid.
  
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- ashestoashes
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 8:55am
  Pass this bill..to protect the criminals in Washington and the criminals on the street..
  
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- 000degrees
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 8:59am
  What the heck…the administration forced health insurance on the country, ny should have no problem forcing insurance on just a state……
  
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- cemerius
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 9:23am
  @NZKIWI no need to apologize! It is refreshing that people outside of the USA understand our history BETTER than the bafoons we have elected into political office here…Please send your prayers and well wishes as we will have very tough decisions forced upon us and as Thomas Paine said “these are times that try men’s souls”…..
  
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- turkey13
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 9:31am
  Chicago, Phillie, & Detroit will have the same bill up before the day is over. It is almost a side joke since the average Jo & poor people can’t afford a carry permit anyways. All these city’s are on my no fly list since they won’t recognize my Oklahoma carry permit. I refuse to go there and spend a single dollar. If a vender on Amazon, E-bay, nomorerack, etc. is in NY or NYC I find someone else to buy from. Our company will not do business with venders there. If enough folks do this the taxi cab drivers will swamp Bloomburgs 4 armed body guards and beat the C_rap. out of him.
  
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- Soulfire1975
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 9:32am
  That is one way to get people to give up their guns. I bet if it works there they will try it nation wide.
  
  More people need to learn about the DICK ACT of 1902 now I don’t kow if they will not allow the first word to show up so here it is again D ! K ACT of 1902 check it out spread the word to everyone including your rep.
  
  Don’t know why the news don’t bring this up. Glenn did once.
  
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- turkey13
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 9:43am
  No story here. Only the wealthy can afford a carry permit in NY, NYC, Chicago, Phillie, and Detroit. After POTUS ruling they got around it by crazy fees. In NYC it in almost $1200 bucks. All these city’s are on my no fly list. I refuse to go there and spend one dollar. If a vender on Amazon, NOMORERACK.COM or E—Bay , etc. is there, tough luck, I just find a company from a more conservative state. Same thing for our business – my sons ignore those venders mainly because of the add on Union fees. If enough folks hit NYC in the pocket book, the taxi cab drivers will will get fed up & attack Bloomburgs 4 armed body guards and kick his bu_tt.
  
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- pa346
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 10:15am
  Resist. Read Western Rifle Shooters Assn and learn.
  
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- Rillobymorning
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 11:00am
  First of all, Obama’s exec orders, which he loves to sign on a regular basis, cannot control anyone outside of his administration. He can sign all the papers he wants and he can’t control the states. He may think he can, he may want to, but he can’t.
  
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- rp454
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 11:46am
  Driving a car is a priviledge. Owning a gun is a right. Where did these left wing new york nut jobs come off the rails?
  
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- 00100111
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 11:49am
  Even IF I lived in NY, I still wouldn’t comply. I would love for them to try and come make me. :) Give me a reason, please just give me a reason.
  
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- 00100111
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 11:52am
  Kiwi. Don’t apologize. We think it’s great you know so much about our history.
  
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- 83plus
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 12:14pm
  The right to keep and bear arms is constitutional right NOT a privilege. This state legislative bill is an attempt to rewrite that and is at the very least in my opinion boarder line infringement.
  
  If we let them get away something like this will there be anyone to stand up against such legislation that more unconstitutional? What about if/when we get a congress and president who try something like this, who be around to call for impeachment when needed?
  
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- Sua-Sponte
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 2:55pm
  So, as with the Left’s love of ‘man-made global warming’ drum beat, it is okay if you have the cash. Pollute all you want, so long as you can afford the ‘carbon credits’. Sure, you can own a weapon so long as you can afford the fees/taxes/insurances. When are poeple going to see the Liberal for what he really is?
  
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- k9tp
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 4:09pm
  You are correct, all I can say is that Elections have consequences and we are about to learn about them..Problem is do those in power know what their about to stir up????
  
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- styvesra
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 5:22pm
  Thank you Kiwi
  I find it amazing that you, half way around the planet, know more than 99% of my fellow citizens about the history of this nation. That story you mentioned about the “shot heard around the world” has been lost or intentionally ignored here. We no longer teach it to our children. Instead our kids are taught about the cherry tree and wooden teeth, myths meant to diminish the man and what he fought for. We are taught that Jefferson fathered children by a slave woman, a tale debunked by the geneticist who performed the DNA investigation into the charge, a myth also intended to defame and diminish not only the man but his writings and accomplishments. Or–we are told the colonists betrayed their fealty to a legitimate King over money and greed, (think Tea), rather than what was actually motivating them. Freedom from oppression! When they passed the Bill of Rights, a single bill listing fundamental freedoms springing from Natural Law, they didn’t rank them 1 through 10, they were passed by one vote and were understood to all be equal in importance. Franklin was prophetic when he said in response to a question at the end of the Constitutional Convention, that we have “A republic, if you can keep it.” We are rapidly approaching the point where it will slip through our fingers. May God have mercy on us when that happens.
  
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- Daddy Hawg
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 8:08pm
  @NZKIWI – Don’t forget to add to guns and ammo you mention the purchase of $5 mill worth of targets to desensitize military personnel when it comes to shooting children, pregnant women and seniors. Read the article here on The Blaze. Why do they really need these types of targets?
  
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- nzkiwi
  Posted on February 21, 2013 at 12:03am
  @ Soulfire
  
  I’m sorry to tell you this but the DICK ACT of 1902 does not forbid gun control – or, in fact, any of the other things that is suggested.
  
  When I’m digging into something I generally take it as an alarm bell when all of the articles on a certain subject use exactly the same language, and this is the case here. The Act has been completely misinterpreted by the original writer of the article.
  
  Whether this was done deliberately or not, I don’t know. Consider that a deliberate misinterpretation may have been planted to distract and confuse objectors and end up making them look foolish – should they have used this in a public debate.
  
  Even if the interpretation was accurate, the 2nd Amendment would be superior to it.
  
  At the end of the day there are three things that can be brought to bear against the insidious contrivances of the current administration: The US Constitution, legal precedent, and the prerogative of a free people resolutely applied.
  
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- 83plus
  Posted on February 21, 2013 at 2:16pm
  Infringe (verb):
  
  Definition 1. disobey or disregard something
  
  (transitive verb) to fail to obey a law or regulation or observe the terms of an agreement
  
  Definition 2. encroach on somebody’s right or property
  
  (transitive and intransitive verb) to take over land, rights, privileges, or activities that belong to somebody else, especially in a minor or gradual way
  
  Now someone go ahead and explain how this legislative action doesn’t do that to the second amendment.
  
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- Colorado7972
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 10:13pm
  Where’s Sendthemeteors and other libs, I see no comments in here today from them. You know, about how they and their fellow liberals not going to take way our guns> Typical hypocrites to the end!
  
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barber2
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:54pm
The lawyers must be thrilled. In Colorado , the Democrats are trying to pass a bill to make all gun manufacturers liable for ALL damages that guns inflict. ( the person shooting doesn’t have deep enough pockets ?? ) Now isn’t this a big case of conflict of interest when law makers , who are largely lawyers, make laws that provide them with jobs and income !? Talk about conflict of interest ! WAKE UP, Americans . The law makers are making laws to provide them with income while you, sucker taxpayers, are going to lose your freedoms and protections . Big Brother (who is a lawyer ) is coming after you , your rights, and your freedoms….

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- Zipit
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 12:44am
  Barber! These idiots are going to do everything that they can, to take their goal of illegal gun ownership to a new level, by virtually overnight, making law abiding gun owners criminals!
  
  We will not comply with their agenda!
  
  It is apparent that they are not only willing to ignore the constitution of the United States, but as Obama has done, they will Pitt the citizens of our country against one another! They are not smart enough to have thought this out!
  
  Non compliance of these new gun laws will lead to these progressive liberals ordering the confiscation of our guns!
  
  Do they not understand where this will end up?
  
  Father, forgive them! For they know not what they do.
  
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- DAS_MOOCH
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 1:16am
  ZIP, I think they want to get a civil disturbance going, then crash the dollar/economy blaming the entire thing on gun owners, veterans & constitutionalist. Then they will spin it in the media to make freedom lovers & patriots look like domestic terrorists.
  
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- Zipit
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 1:58am
  Yeah Mooch! But again, they do not seem to be smart enough to realize, that it will be the law abiding gun owners that will come out on top in their little communist quest/experiment?
  
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- ashestoashes
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 2:47am
  Yeah.that is what I was thinking too when I first saw this..it’s like that Pastor Carson said..we have lawyers in high positions..we should have doctors and scientists..Think of this people..when some thief/murderer breaks into your home..and you shoot him..then you would be liable to his family for one million dollars..now if he kills you..he won’t be liable..because he’s a criminal..and he needs the money or he wouldn’t be breaking into your house..right? Makes sense to me..lol
  
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SpeakSoftlyAndCarry
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:51pm
“Further, even if a New Yorker’s gun is stolen, they are still responsible for any damage incurred until a loss or theft is reported to the police.”
Does this mean that if this law passes in NY that you will only be considered innocent until the guy that stole your gun is proven guilty, or does it mean that you will be considered guilty unless the guy that stole your gun is found to be innocent?

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- Skrewedretiree
  Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:58pm
  Kinda makes ya want to be real careful who ya vote for next time, doesn’t it?
  
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TheseTruths
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:51pm
A textbook example of why gun registration is a bad idea. As soon as they have a list of registered gun owners, the harassment begins, with the goal of forcing guns out of the people’s hands. Attempts at gun registration, and bills like this one, have to be stopped. Failing that, noncompliance and going on the offensive, as the gun manufacturers who no longer sell to the governments of NY and other gun-grabbing states have done.

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drydino
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:50pm
How many criminals do you think will buy and maintain insurance for guns they can not legally own???

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- Skrewedretiree
  Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:57pm
  Good point. But: When guns are outlawed then only outlaws will have guns. When guns are legislated out of legal hands by the Government and the Insurance Companies by State Insurance Regulations, then only those who are in violation of the regulation and insurance regulations will have guns, and they will be outlaws.
  
  So….how will you control guns when all the guns are in the hands of criminals (outlaws), because only the criminals (outlaws) will have guns. Hmm?
  
  As for me, I will be an outlaw. It’s better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6. You figure it out…..
  
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- Skrewedretiree
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 12:00am
  All gun owners will eventually be outlaws. Best bet: Screw the law, load up, stock up and go with the bad guys. The so called “good guys” have screwed us.
  
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- barber2
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 12:03am
  DRY: I know. I know. The same number of criminals who will follow all of the radical Democrats’ new gun restrictions ! As in , zero. Hello , Democrats : you are not only endangering the entire American nation with your lame foreign policies, you are endangering individual Americans with you lame domestic policies like this. Barack Obama : America’s 21st century punishment for 19th century slavery crimes ….
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 6:34am
  All free people left in America (aka Gun owners) need to forget about the idea of being law abiding. The law is and has abandoned the morally upright citizens of the formerly United States. These “law makers” need to be punished for their attacks on freedom. They need to be brought to heel. Any law enforcement officers federal or state better quickly decide what their jobs really are, and who’s side they will fight for. A few have stood up and made their views known, but the rest need to be made to publicly choose.
  
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- vampiresmurf
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 7:27am
  i wonder when the brilliant people that wrote this new improvement will remember they forgot to tell all the police about this,, as many officers have there own personal weapons at home other then service weapons. can the officers really afford that?? retired police officers, can they afford that??? what about military personnel?? body guards?? SEIU members?? when will the list of exemptions come out?? and how much to get on that list???
  
  something else no-one has noted yet, or i havent seen yet is this. the supreme court has ruled that all laws even unconstitutional are still laws that have to be followed. one can only sue after they have suffered a loss, a lawsuit cannot be awarded until there is a loss, not a perceived loss. so while this would prolly be overturned in a court of law, in the mean time they have gotten rid of the firearms, and you cant bring them back into state as of there new laws, so you and everyone else would still be without there firearms, and only getting a few bucks on there true value. confiscation at its best.
  on another note, how many people can afford that if they have more then 1 firearm, and what insurence agency is NY politicians in bed with ??????????????????????
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 9:08am
  They could care less about criminals. That is only another voter base, with little revenue/taxes. Illegals aren’t even illegal any longer. Money and power, that is all this is about.
  
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am123
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:49pm
All these proposed un-Constitutional laws are no coincidence. My guess is Dr. Jim Garrow is right, Obama got his marching orders from the Chinese, who want the American people disarmed so that when they come and take our assets (since we can’t pay our debt to them), they won’t have resistance from the American public.

And these traitor politicians who are proposing these anti-American laws are just showboating to show their new masters, the Chinese, that they are good lackeys.

Or it could be Obama wants all his political allies to enact a full court press to goad the American public into a civil war so he can enact Martial law.

Whatever it is, one thing is clear: they are coming for your guns America.

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- Bonnieblue2A
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 12:00am
  Obama is a world government guy. His marching orders come from the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty (previously known as the Small Arms Treaty) which requires member nations to produce a small arms registry.
  
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- Puddle Duck
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 12:05am
  Whatever the reasons I think you are correct about eliminating the threat the 2nd poses to those in DC (and around the world). America must be disarmed if Agenda 21 has any real chance of success. I do think the time has come and gone for working things out between left and right…there can be no compromise with a left wing that will allow both the 1st and 2nd amendemnts to be radically altered for the so called sake of the rest, under the (egregiously distorted, patenetly false ) guise of good intentions.
  
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J Z
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:46pm
There sure has been a rash of boating accidents lately…

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- Skrewedretiree
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 12:07am
  Mermaids. They have Unionized and are going after boaters. Better pass a law requiring life jackets and a million dollars in boater’s insurance.
  
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marine249
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:45pm
where do they find these lift-wing nuts

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- Skrewedretiree
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 12:17am
  Plenty to be found in any Public School or College Campus. They crank ‘em out by the bushel basket.
  
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- CatB
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 2:22am
  Shouldn’t those who are not gun owners have to buy extra insurance (costs money to clean up the blood when they kill you in a home invasion) .. or pay extra for the “police protection” they think they are going to get ;-)
  
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- countryfirst
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 6:34am
  This is way I am buying what I can from private citizens, A Co-worker made me laugh the other day by saying “ why do people buy guns that are not going to be registered? So if you shot someone you will get away with it” My response to that was “ I have unregistered hammers if I kill someone with them does that mean I will get away with it”?
  
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tonypro
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:45pm
……and Nasty Yuck —-I mean the u.n. strikes again.

I feel bad for the people that are stuck there, and want to get out.
As for the ones that choose to live under the u.n. rule, my advice is seek mental health therapy. Oh wait, then they would be rounded up to help stop gun violence—-my bad.

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- SpeakSoftlyAndCarry
  Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:54pm
  New Yorkers should be protesting in the streets. If they let this unconstitutional legislation get passed without a fight then they deserve to live under Bloomberg’s greasy Jack Boot Heel!
  
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- SoldierEconomist
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 12:16am
  The New York legislature and governor have proven time and again that they are unfit to represent the will of the people. Should this law go through it must be immediately challenged in the courts. As soon as it is ruled to be unconstitutional impeachment recall elections and impeachment proceeding need to be underway.
  
  The only way these people can remain is if they remain by the consent of the governed and by the following the Constitution. There are no man-made authorities beyond those that can allow them to keep their jobs. Should they ignore those authorities things will get very messy and much less amicable to their imagined authority.
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 6:39am
  Patriots should move to new york to help when the shootin starts.
  
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walmpus1
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:45pm
So what will these jack-tard un-American politicians force criminals who break into houses, hold up stores, smuggle drugs, ect; to purchase?

Hold your guns high and never forget that 535 doesn’t rule 300 million. God Bless America and those who love our nation.

Wcb

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SpeakSoftlyAndCarry
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:44pm
This plan to force legal firearm owning citizens to buy firearm insurance will be nothing less than a De facto gun registration scheme. You buy the insurance and the state Insurance commissioner has your name on a registry of firearm owners that will later be used for mandatory firearm confiscation. Do NOT fall for this one folks!

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- Skrewedretiree
  Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:51pm
  There is an answer and a solution for this: TERM LIMITS and make it illegal for LAWYERS and DOCTORS to serve as Representatives or Senators.
  
  We are NOT a Government “of the People” but a Government of snotty lawyers and doctors!
  
  Hey folks, ya get what ya vote for.
  
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- DAS_MOOCH
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 1:10am
  Very well said, SOLDIERECONOMIST. I also like PUDDLEDUCKS post, we are beyond settling this amicibly. Soon I hope these slime lawyers.politicians will have to be walking around with their heads on a swivel…
  
  I kind of like the Russian story from yesterday, where they found the politician in a barrel of cement.
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 8:25am
  A couple of years ago I would have said that the SCOTUS would certainly strike something like this down. Now, I’m not so sure.
  
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HI_Don
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:44pm
Once again a further move to make it impossible for low income, and soon middle class, to be able to defend themselves and become subjects to the state – If you can’t pay, you can’t play. Keep as many as possible on welfare and maintain a upper class that have or can pay to have higher privledges and thus “rights”. We need some lawyers out there willing to sue the state for disenfranchising the poor from the 2nd amendment. The cost of the safety courses, the permit fees, and driving up the cost of firearms through false shortages induced by state policies, and now required insurance fees – soon only the rich will have protection.

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- Skrewedretiree
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 12:19am
  Well, so much for the Democrat Party being”‘for the working class, the poor and the retirees”!
  
  I’ll believe it when I see it.
  
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slordax
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:43pm
wonder what kind of insurance they’ll demand for exercising other constitutional rights …

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- TinCanSailor3109
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 12:12am
  The ‘confiscators’ better have some darned good insurance too.
  
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woodyee
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:43pm
Jason Howerton – is Cuomo being challenged in court?

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- Irememberamerica
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 8:52am
  Yes he is Monk.
  
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- Irememberamerica
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 8:57am
  Sorry, I meant Woodyee, I need more coffee the hi-test variety.
  
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whatthecrazy
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:42pm
I can hardly afford all the insurance premiums i have now,one way or another they aim to get our guns and the only way to protect our families and this once Great Nation.:(

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Skrewedretiree
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:41pm
Well, how about anyone who ever had a traffic accident being forced to buy 1 million dollars in auto insurance?

And I could go on. Is there no end to the insulting ignorance and arrogance of politicians?
Well, New York, I feel sorry for ya, but hey….You voted for these clowns!

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media-bias-steals-elections
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:40pm
There are no insurability requirements in the 2nd Amendment, this is an illegal proposition as it would infringe on the rights of people to bear arms.

These domestic enemies of the US Constitution should be defeated with their own legal systems. Who in their right mind would want citizens to walk around without protection? Should we demand UN observers to begin collecting evidence against these human right abuses, to prosecute them for war crimes against humanity, because owning a firearm is a human right?

Or do citizens need to just need to fight the legal system with support from outside organizations? They pass these laws thinking that individual citizens will not fight back? Being financially indigent is not a crime.

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- Skrewedretiree
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 12:22am
  Well, we could do a Nancy Reagan and “Just Say NO”, or we could never vote for another Democrat, load up, stock up and get ready to fight again for freedom or give up and live under another King.
  
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oldguy49
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:39pm
its not a privilige……….under the constitution its a right…………

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- Puddle Duck
  Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:54pm
  The left and NY State have taken this too far, way way too far. These bills and what Cuomo has proposed are clear violations of the 2nd. This madness if allowed to continue will tear this nation apart in very short order. This assault by the left on the 2nd is a fundamental cornerstone of this nation, the other being the 1st…tell me at what point do we stand up and say enough is enough and threaten to disolve this (now unrecognizable) damned Union if such violations are allowed to progress into law ?
  
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woodyee
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:39pm
ABSOLUTELY UNConstitutional.

No Ifs, and or buts about it.

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- TurboCat
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 3:18am
  Obama and The Left are grooming us, trying to see how far they can push us. They will take a mile for every inch they gain. Obama “grooms” us, the American people, constantly, to see how far he can go. He did it at La Raza, telling them, “Well, I can’t just order that Illegals can become legal, all by myself” and then he got this sneaky look on his face, paused for a minute, and waited….sure enough, he got what he expected, the crowd beginning to buzz with “Yes you can”, softly at first, then becoming louder and more insistent, “Yes you can! Yes you can! YES YOU CAN! YES YOU CAN!”. Finally, the camera gets a close-shot of his face……and his facial expression clearly shows how much he loves being adored. He just eats it up. Pure evil on display.
  
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stopprintn
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:38pm
Sure do want to create alot of new felons don’t they?

13 year old can shoot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZE-EDGw2vo&NR=1&feature=endscreen

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Cavallo
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:38pm
Worthless fascists. Unconstitutional BS. New Yorkers are not Americans.

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- Skrewedretiree
  Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:47pm
  Well, if you study history, New York DID stay with the British during the Revolution untill they got their “arses” kicked. New York is a Socialist bastion. For a “blue” State, they seem pretty Red to me, as in Communist Red!
  
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- TSUNAMI_22
  Posted on February 20, 2013 at 1:22am
  @ Cavallo,
  
  Ease it back down there, buddy. There are plenty of New Yorkers and Californians alike (like myself) that aren’t gonna take this on their knees.
  
  http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2013/02/17/an-inspiring-letter-about-commitment-and-oaths/
  
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JohnofOregon
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:37pm
The communist …I mean democrats in the Oregon legislature have proposed the same thing.

But they don’t want to take guns away

They think they’re jack black singing about big foot.

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strawberry411a
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:36pm
Good luck enforcing that one.

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oldguy49
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:36pm
this crap is totally wrong…………these people will ruin the u.s……….on a lighter note if anyone see my guns washed up on shore somewhere please let me know………fell out of the boat

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UNALIEN
Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:34pm
gun makers will be forced to develop better biometrics…

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- Skrewedretiree
  Posted on February 19, 2013 at 11:42pm
  No, gun makers will be pleased to stop all sales to New York including Police, etc. and leave you all to your lunacy.
  
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