Former Florida Gators and New York Jet Tim Tebow is interviewed prior to the Allstate Sugar Bowl between the Florida Gators and the Louisville Cardinals at Mercedes-Benz Superdome on January 2, 2013 in New Orleans, Louisiana. Credit: Getty Images
New York Jets quarterback Tim Tebow has ignited controversy after canceling his upcoming appearance at First Baptist Church in Dallas, Texas.
Rev. Robert Jeffress, the head faith leader at the house of worship, has come under fire in the past for some contentious comments. Aside from sharing his stance about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (that it isn’t a Christian denomination), the pastor has also been criticized for statements he’s uttered about other religious systems and gays.
Let’s just take a brief trip down memory lane. In Oct. 2011, Jeffress said that then-Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney isn’t a Christian as a result of his allegiance with the Mormon faith (later, he still ended up supporting the candidate in the general election). That same month, Jeffress described both Islam and the Mormon faith as coming from “the pit of hell.” See his comments, below:
And RightWingWatch, among other outlets, has accused the pastor of being virulently anti-gay. Take a look at the description that RWW recently gave of Jeffress’ past comments about homosexuals:
He has described gays and lesbians as “perverse,” “miserable” and “abnormal” people who engage in an “unnatural” and “filthy practice” that will lead to the “implosion of our country.” Jeffress argues that the gay community employs Chinese “brainwashing techniques” in order to have homosexuality “crammed down our throats.”
Fast forward to the newest controversy surrounding Tebow and his decision to back out of a planned event at Jeffress’ church. A representative from the First Baptist Church apparently told entertainment site TMZ that the New York Jets quarterback felt pushed by the media to cancel his April 28 appearance. Some are naturally wondering if the choice was made of his own accord — or if it was rooted mainly in the criticism he was already receiving for an association with Jeffrees.
Just consider what CBS Sports’ Gregg Doyel wrote about Tebow earlier this week, prior to the cancellation:
Tim Tebow is about to make the biggest mistake of his life.
Tebow has agreed to speak at a hateful Baptist preacher’s church, an evangelical cretin named Robert Jeffress who does the work of the Lord sort of like Westboro Baptist in Topeka, Kan., does the work of the Lord.
Not at all.
Jeffress isn’t as bad as Westboro. He doesn’t send his flock to funerals of U.S. soldiers and have his sheep yell awful things like, “God hates fags.” But he comes close. Too close. He believes, he has said, “It’s a fact that [AIDS is] a gay disease so there’s a reasonable reason to exclude gays from the military.”
The church is responding to the news with prepared statements to media.
“We are saddened that Mr. Tebow felt pressure to back out of his long-planned commitment from numerous New York and national sports and news media who grossly misrepresented past comments made by our pastor, Dr. Robert Jeffress, specifically related to issues of homosexuality and AIDS, as well as Judaism,” the rep said in a statement to TMZ.
TheBlaze received a similar response from the church — one that also went on to defend Jeffrees against claims that critics have waged against him. Additionally, it took aim at societal changes that have made some of the pastor’s traditional stances more controversial than they would have been in the past. The church claims that, while the Bible has remained constant, society has not.
A screen shot that shows Tebow’s face advertised for an April 28 appearance at the church
“As a Christian pastor, Dr. Jeffress takes a biblical approach to moral and social issues, closely following his duty to preach ‘the whole counsel of God,’ and not just address issues that are politically correct,” the release reads. “First Baptist is a church built on the truth of Scripture, even though at times that approach can be perceived as controversial or counter to the prevailing winds of culture.”
As for the First Baptist’s account of the cancellation, the church maintains that Tebow called to remove himself from the scheduled event, claiming that for ”personal and professional reasons he needed to avoid controversy.” But rather than separating himself entirely, Jeffrees’ staff claim that the famed football player would still like to speak at the church sometime in the future.
In a series of tweets, Tebow addressed the controversy this morning, writing:
While I was looking forward to sharing a message of hope and Christ’s unconditional love with the faithful members of the historic First Baptist Church of Dallas in April, due to new information that has been brought to my attention, I have decided to cancel my upcoming appearance. I will continue to use the platform God has blessed me with to bring Faith, Hope and Love to all those needing a brighter day. Thank you for all of your love and support. God Bless!
TheBlaze also reached out to Tebow’s representatives to clarify details, but we have not yet received a response.
(H/T: TMZ)
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Triple7
Feb. 21, 2013 at 3:06pmTim Tebow is on the verge of being out of the NFL. His dream has always been to be a starting QB for an NFL team. He was lied to about the NY Jets situation. Now he sees that he has lost most of his stock in any team willing to give him another shot. This speech would not help him, being on the fringe of being a 8 game wonder out of the league after three years. That would make him a first round draft bust.
This move was calculated to keep himself in the spotlight. He is being shopped for trade by the Jets. If they dont get any offers he will be released. Flawed quarterback but a winner and competitive force of nature. He is attempting to show flexibility to teams. A lot comes with Tim Tebow beyond the game of football.
For my personal preference. I want to see him play. I loved watching this kid since his time at Florida. I just do not believe he will be given another shot. The f***er beat my Steelers in overtime dammit!
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SendTheMeteors
Feb. 22, 2013 at 10:11amThis is pretty simple really. This church’s pastor preaches hatred against Mormons, Catholics and gays. I think Tebow probably belongs to the “unconditional love of Christ” school of thought.
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THERAPTURCOMES
Feb. 22, 2013 at 1:58pmSENDTHEMETEORS
Tim Tebow is part of the worldly and very popular EMERGENT CHURCH and therefore not a Christian. Anyone with half a brain cell knows that the bible says to oppose all wicked things in fact the bible calls it ‘SPIRITUAL WARFARE)
You and Tebow are on the side of the enemy
The resurrection/rapture comes http://youtu.be/CBsYDhNxFlU
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ltcwilly
Feb. 22, 2013 at 2:10pm@sendthemeteors……Unfortunately, your broad-brush comments are both wrong. Pastor Jeffress is the Senior Pastor of a church which is tied to the Southern Baptist Convention. Southern Baptists believe in the authoritativeness of Scripture and preach/teach from that perspective. Scripture condemns the the sexual practices of homosexuals (no more or less than it condemns sexual sins of heterosexuals). He does not preach “hate” toward Catholics or Mormons (wow, liberals love to sow that word ‘hate’ when they disagree with you). He does teach that the practices and theology within Catholicism have challenges and that the theology and background of Mormonism have no place in orthodox Christianity. It’s OK if don’t agree with him, but don’t make blatant lies about him.
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SendTheMeteors
Feb. 23, 2013 at 12:13amDidn’t this pastor say that Mormons and Muslims and other religions were worshiping a “false God” and isn’t worshiping a false God punished by death in the Old Testament?
Also ltcwilly, what did Jesus himself say about homosexuals?
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TheyMustBeStopped
Feb. 21, 2013 at 3:01pmJesus of Nazareth and His Apostles would be too controversial for most Churches today.
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The Big Mick
Feb. 21, 2013 at 3:10pmReally? I think it can be shown that Jesus could be grouped with the Wandering Rabbis of the more Strict Rabbinical School of his day–that of Shammai.
My “street cred” on this is an M.Div from Duke.
On what specific points do you think JC&posse would be ‘too controversial” for say, a “Mainline Protestant Denom” of today?
I think I can identify several areas where Jesus would shock current “gruppenthink”, but what say YOU?
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PATTY HENRY
Feb. 21, 2013 at 3:29pmJesus would be welcomed everywhere today…as He will be. Maybe some of His haters, those spawned by Satan or brain-washed by liberal Marxists wouldn’t like Him much, but Jesus – who owns it all…every last sliver of gold and controls the entire Universe would come as a gentle lover of all life… He created us. HE is not us. He is thrilled when we choose Him, and sad when we don’t.
Those of us who have been fortunate enough to understand this as fully as humans can understand feel so blessed. Take everything GOOD, decent, Courageous, Hopeful, Spirited, Amazing, Wonderful, Glorious and True and put them in one being: Jesus. If you don’t know Him as those things, you are the one who is missing out. Get on board…train is rollin’. You either spend Eternity with Jesus or in Hell. There is no other choice, but YOU have to make it. How? Just ask Him. It’s really that easy…and for all the little human beings that race around this planet pointing fingers or ridiculing can’t stop you from hearing THE TRUTH. I feel sorry for this Preacher-Dude, he obviously has a whole lot to learn. I’m a HUGE TEBOW fan and over the years believe that What you see is what you get with Tim and He is a great inspiration! Can’t wait to see his next chapter. GOOD FOR YOU TIMMY!!!
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Magyar
Feb. 21, 2013 at 4:13pm@theymustbestopped— A very true and accurate observation. Unfortunately, the ‘social justice’ mentality has invaded the LORD’S house and adhering to scripture is just TOO difficult. So, the difficult ‘stuff’ is discounted and skipped over for an easier and more palatable relationship with GOD.
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Free_Thought
Feb. 21, 2013 at 4:49pmJesus would definitely not be welcomed anywhere. Let me show you why…
1. He would look like a muslim not the blue eyed brown straight haired picture most people see
2. If he came back and proclaimed to be Jesus he would be thrown in a mental hospital
3. He would definitely not come to america. I believe brazil has the highest christian population
4. I am pretty sure all the crucifixes might cause ptsd
5. If a man walked up to you dressed in robes and sandals and did a sleight of hand magic trick akin to turning water into wine and said “i am jesus.” Would you believe him and follow him to the grave?
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uncle_blazer
Feb. 21, 2013 at 4:54pmHe was back then too… That’s why he ended up on a cross in the christian mythology.
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YourVoiceMatters
Feb. 21, 2013 at 7:08pmThose that worship Me, worship Me in Spirit and in Truth! I have never heard this preacher so i am not aware of his manner of delivery of the Gospel. If he is standing on the Word of Truth (minus personal attacks) It is the Word of God that we need to hear…God loves the sinner but hates the sin. Homosexuality is a sin and if you believe God by His Spirit, you can walk away a changed person in Christ Jesus…He changes you from the inside out…Man can legislate laws contrary to the will of God all they want but inside the person in their hEARt the conflict will remain…God’s law is set.. by the Godhead. A person has a free will to chose..the consequences will be in place at the end of all things. God is just and He made a way through Jesus, the Christ to be forgiven, to have a new start in life/to make a change! It is a gift you receive or reject…only you. Only you will bear the just recompense for your own actions…you can not play the blame game like they do here on Earth. Accept or reject it as you want…but you play with your eternity… Just because you do not believe in the reality of God or His Word does not make it less real…it just leaves you losing out forever..by your own volition..But do so knowing God loves you and gave you this gift…I hope you consider receiving His eternally precious gift of life!
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old white guy
Feb. 22, 2013 at 9:15amfreethought……. when Christ returns he will not be doing tricks or wandering around the countryside in sandals. every eye will see Him at the same time. i don’t think there will be any question as to who or what he is.
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tommytruck
Feb. 22, 2013 at 9:38am@Mick – you’re a twit. If you feel the need to drop your M. Div from Duke (which is a joke) on someone in a forum posting, you’ve already destroyed any point you even hoped to make. Of course, you didn’t make one. Your street-cred.is tripe as is your M. Div. You probably should have studied something else.
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PurrrpleMtnMajesty
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:58pmPastor Jeffreys message aligns with scripture, it is our duty as a Christian to back it. We may say it differently, but bottom line is Jesus was anything BUT politically correct for his day and we need to follow HIS example, which I believe Jeffreys is doing.
Time needs to remember to NOT be intimidated by media or “the world” because it is not THEM, but the Lord Who holds His future. To succeed in a cruel and sinful world because you were afraid to speak up or live your creed is in many ways condoning it. IF I had to explain my actions, I’d rather it be to media and not to God.
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Nepenthe
Feb. 21, 2013 at 3:19pmIt was Jesus’ uncoditional love that was politically incorrect, both for that day as well as ours.
There should be no doubt that if this pastor saw a beaten man on the side of the road that he knew to be gay, he would pass him by on the other side.
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Beachmastermax
Feb. 21, 2013 at 3:30pmAt nep
So you are another who sees into men’s souls?
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Beachmastermax
Feb. 21, 2013 at 3:36pm@ Mick
Yes, Jesus loved them even as he was kicking their butts.
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memyselfandi
Feb. 21, 2013 at 4:26pmHey Mick…I like you style…
Me…
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THERAPTURCOMES
Feb. 22, 2013 at 2:01pmNEPENTHE
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God
I would call that very in your face wouldn’t you?
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Grond
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:58pmThe media’s motives here are, as usual, wrong, but it is only fair to point out that the LDS Christ is absolutely not the same as the Christ described in the Bible. Either one of them is not Christ or neither one is, but they can’t both be accurate, truthful descriptions of Him. One of them is wrong.
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Magyar
Feb. 21, 2013 at 4:14pmMMMMmmm and which is right?
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theotherberean
Feb. 21, 2013 at 8:25pmThe one that didn’t come from a false prophet.
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Female
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:57pmFirst, LGBT has a high incidence of aids and many other sexually transmitted diseases. The CDC specifically targets certain prevalent ones related to these sexual choices. GOD, through the Bible, has spoken quite clearly about these behaviors in Leviticus 18 and Romans 1. He also has sprinkled throughout scriptures and consequences for adultry, fornication, and all sexual immorality, which ultimately includes sin against self and GOD leading to “burning in hell”, but no need to fear for loneliness as there are many other sins which also ends there including backbiting, lying, and even fear! I only get riddled up or specific about LGBT, when the supporters start yelling. I think adultry, fornication, and sexual immorality pretty much cover the grosser areas.
Second, MORMONs have one very big thing in common with ALL Christian faiths…get ready to get really mad at me….heresies. I am a Bible believing Christian….the entire thing. I have attended many different denominations meeting, and I find things contrary or heretical in every service and life of every Christian (my own struggles). Mormons have some areas I question: the book “Another Testimony of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints”, wives being resurrected from grave by husbands, ruling planets and having celetrial babies for eternity. I really love Mormons and admire their community support of each other. Samaritans (Mormons?): Jesus didn’t condemn them, but spoke truth to a sinful woman.
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theotherberean
Feb. 21, 2013 at 8:32pmNo one should be angry with the truth. “The church” is in terrible apostasy, I agree, because liberalism has invaded our seminaries as well..
You should question a lot about Mormonism: These two LDS sites should be an eye opener for many, including Mormons. They don’t teach this in Sunday School.
http://tinyurl.com/8o2uzzl
http://tinyurl.com/9e4ec97
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danielmchick
Feb. 22, 2013 at 9:22amYou do realize that your argument is propagating a historical falsehood, right?
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The Big Mick
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:56pmTeeb here has a duty to “be wise as serpents and innocent as doves” and also to “not lay hands on anyone too quickly and thus share in the sin of others”. He had a duty to “test the spirits” here, decided it was unwise and reneged. You don’t have to agree with his reasoning or his reasons OR with the Church and their position to commend him for good decision MAKING.
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theotherberean
Feb. 21, 2013 at 8:18pmHe’s a phony. Just a poser using Jesus Christ to further his career.
Matt 6:24. 2 Tim 4:2.
Ker-sploosh (sound of flushing)
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fightinglee
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:51pmCome on Evangelicals, wake up. Hate speeches thrown at everyone who is not as perfect as you is not the way to help people. Do ever recall pointing out every fault of another persons and then telling them they will go to hell for that, and then that person saying, “Oh yeah, Thank you. I appreciate your ripping me apart for having different ideas or weaknesses than you. I would love to join your hate parade!”
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OldSurfRat
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:59pmFight
Yep spot on.
“You hypocrite, first cast the beam out of your own eye; and then shall you see clearly to cast out the speck out of your brother’s eye”
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The Big Mick
Feb. 21, 2013 at 3:06pmSorry Lee, I won’t buy the Faux Moral Equivalence. To NAME something SIN and something GOD is NOT OK with ON Biblical and Orthodox Doctrinal Grounds CANNOT be equated to HATE speech on any COGENT Moral, Ethical, Religious, Rhetorical or Intellectual Ground.
That is a FALSE Moral Equivalence and that is the most Heinous of Moral, Rhetorical and Intellectual sins.
You compound this error with arguing to infinity false logic chopping when you say that to point out a SPECIFIC “no go” area in Scripture is de facto “hate speech thrown at everyone not as perfect as you.”
To this you add an element of hypocrisy in “everyone not as perfect as you” as if YOU can assign motives and make judgements free from “hate”. How is what YOU are doing in Judging those who disagree with you ANY different from what YOU accuse THEM of?
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fightinglee
Feb. 21, 2013 at 3:11pmBigmick, your nuts. Seriously. Nuts. I dont know the answer, go ask Christ why he spent his time trying to help sinners and not just spitting on them like your church does. Then ask him why he had no patience for the saducees and pharisees that were so much more perfect than everyone.
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The Big Mick
Feb. 21, 2013 at 3:23pmNaw, surf, “by their fruits shall they be known”. Or, as the 20th as opposed to the 1st’s Century’s Greatest Philosopher points out. “It is as it does.”
Saying of something on Biblical and Orthodox Doctrinal Grounds “God ain’t cool wid dat!” is NOT in any way shape or form either “judging” inappropriately or “hate”.
As Duke’s Premier Ethicist Stanley Hauerwas puts it, when he ain’t using profanity that is—
“NAME the SIN”!
You and Lee want to take a “softer gentler” approach, go for it, but that doesn’t give you leave to, or excuse you having done, busting somebody else’s chops for “telling it like it IS” as we said in the 60s.
You not comfie with calling an act of perversion an act of perversion then don’t, but you don’t get to make judgements about those who do. Which is, as I’m sure I don’t need to point out, EXACTLY the kind of Judgemental behavior you are accusing THEM of.
Me, I don’t mess in “judgement” a’tall. I “tell it like it IS!”, I “NAME THE EFFN SIN!” to more accurately quote Stanley. I TRY to do it with appropriate graciousness, love, etc, but if I err I will err on the side of Calling Pervs Pervs, because, to work a C.S. Lewis riff in “Screwtape Letters”, NOT calling a perv a perv is THE DOMINANT tendency of our age. I choose not to flow with that but rather the reverse.
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Beachmastermax
Feb. 21, 2013 at 3:26pm@Big Mick:
So now your a spitting hater. Lee is good at looking into your soul. Hey, Lee, do all “haters” go to hell?
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Beachmastermax
Feb. 21, 2013 at 3:33pmHey Lee,
Was the guy who said this a hater?
Matthew 7:15 “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.”
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HOLYSMOKES
Feb. 21, 2013 at 3:36pm@FIGHTINGLEE ,what a ridiculous argument you make. You know not what you speak of. Evangelicals do not think they are perfect. No God fearing, bible believing Christian believes that they are perfect. It’s not whether you and I have different ideas, it is about what God tells us. The bible is CLEAR on homosexuality. it is an abomination. because you don’t like to hear that doesn’t make it hate speech. Tebow should know better than listen to the media considering what they have done to demonize him. FIGHTINGLEE and anyone else who cares. Read Romans 1: 18-32. It’s not evangelicals fault you can’t handle the truth.
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The Big Mick
Feb. 21, 2013 at 4:13pmLee, this is what I mean when I talk about the humor of some folks doing theology.
Are you UNAWARE (and IF SO WHY, you TALK like you have at least a nodding acquaitence with the Gospel Accounts) that Jesus tells people—DO what the Pharisees and Saducees TELL YOU TO, just be BETTER at it than they are!” Matthew. 5:17 and following. Matt. 23:1-4.
At bottom you keep at least implying that to CALL a Sin a Sin is to SPIT. Jesus didn’t say that and I won’t let you get away with saying he did. If you want to talk about all the OTHER stuff Jesus said fine and dandy.
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memyselfandi
Feb. 21, 2013 at 4:49pmMick…again I really like your style…
The prophets didn’t come in talkin’ bout God’s love…rather, it was His terror, His Judgment, and the consequences of ignoring His word that they proclaimed.
John the Baptist did the same thing…the Nation had perverted the Law from the priesthood on down to the people. They looked good on the outward appearance but on the inside they were full of dead mens bones.
Jesus came along and told the leaders of the Jewish religion of that day that they didn’t even believe the writings of Moses…much like the people are doing today. Picking and choosing the parts of the Bible they like and not just ignoring the parts they don’t like…but condemning anyone who speaks the truth.
Keep it up Mick…in the end the truth wins!!!
Me…
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marssnw
Feb. 21, 2013 at 11:49pm@FightingLee If we don’t tell them they are sinning how will they know? If I was blind and walking towards a cliff would you not tell me? Its the same for sinners. If we as christians do not warn others, we are guilty of not warning them. We are basically letting them walk off that cliff. Jesus told us to go into the world and preach the gospel.
“You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot. 14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven. 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom. Matthew 5:13-19
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issiah53
Feb. 22, 2013 at 9:53amThat is why Jesus was hated by the Pharasees and the Saducees. When truth is given whether by Jesus or by anyone else the response will either be received with gladness or rejected with hate. Jesus came and spoke truth and yet the world hated him and he said that if we stood upon the truth of his word we too would be hated. When Jesus whiped and drove out the moneychangers he loved everyone of them as should we. But he in love had to let them know that what they were doing was wrong. That is why God gave us the 10 Commandments so that we might know of our sinfulness and the impossibility of man to be righteous apart from the work of God. It is when we don’t tell someone of their sinfulness and God’s gift of forgiveness through Jesus, that we don’t love them. If a person is not told of their sinfulness then there would be no need of repentance and no need of a savior and they would die in their sins. We are not to be hateful but loving to the sinner but we are also to be forcefull in our stand against sin all sin.
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WhiteFang
Feb. 22, 2013 at 10:20amissiah53,
Well put my friend, well put.
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Exidor
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:50pmHis agent crunched the numbers, explained the consequences to Tebow and advised him not to do it. The information he received was the hit his “brand” would take.
His people are paid to not get emotional.
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fightinglee
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:56pmcause its just inconceivable that he might just not agree with you. Heaven forbid! You evangelicals are worse than liberals! You’ll eat your own kind if you dont all line up . . .
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Gonzo
Feb. 21, 2013 at 3:05pmFightinglee, Tebow IS an evangelical. He believes the exact same things that Jeffress is quoted as saying here. Exidor hit the nail on the head…unfortunately.
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Witness1974
Feb. 21, 2013 at 3:42pmThis is what his agent should have told him:
“Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables” (IITimothy 4:2-4).
Today there are many who want religion to comfort them IN their sin rather than demanding that they forsake it. One of the characteristics of false prophets is that they say, “peace, peace, when there is no peace.” There are plenty of those out there that will tell you what you want to hear if that’s what your are looking for.
I have said on here many times that I am a sinner. I am enough of a sinner to know that sin, whatever it is, no matter how insignificant it may seem, brings misery to the sinner and those around him. Make no mistake, as patient as He is with sinners, Jesus wants us to forsake our sin and follow after Him. I don’t know much about Jeffress, but I know a good shepherd warns his sheep in a loud voice and drives away the wolves that would devour them. If your particular predominant sin happens to be in vogue right now, I feel sorry for you because you need to be warned against it, not coddled and encouraged in it.
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fightinglee
Feb. 21, 2013 at 3:46pmGonzo, apparently he does not agree.
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Rowgue
Feb. 21, 2013 at 4:09pmHis “brand” isn’t going to be worth squat in another month anyway. The jets are just waiting until march 12 to cut him and no other team is interested unless he plays tight end which he says he won’t do. He isn’t playing quarterback unless it’s for a CFL or AFL team.
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Xylliab_of_the_Znarghh
Feb. 21, 2013 at 4:10pmMaybe he’s just a nice guy who doesn’t believe in being deliberately offensive to those who do not share his beliefs. Maybe he recognizes that even if you are a fundamentalist who believes that every verse of the Bible is the word of God, you have a choice of what words you harp on obsessively with a frequency out of all proportion with their importance in the context of the overall message of your faith.
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SonOfThunder
Feb. 21, 2013 at 4:19pmYes Timmy caved and it is all about the money. Pastor Jeffress is solid on scripture and speaks truth.
Tebow was pressured to canceled by his agent. It is all PC stuff. I am very disappointed in tebow as bible believing Christian. I am sure the Mormons and Catholics are happy.
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ireport uderide
Feb. 22, 2013 at 10:52amExidor
We have to remember Tebow is still young and according to my faith is allowed to make mistakes in judgment as long as he gains knowledge from his mistakes, (IMO).
This is the kind of evil Christians are up against in this world. Straight from our Lord’s mouth.
Matthew 10
Ver. 14 “If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town”.
It’s almost as if whoever is advising Tebow about this decision is living in “Bizarro” world. Instead of shaking off the dust and denouncing the media for it’s hatred of Christian doctrine he walks away from a church that’s trying to save lost sinners and defend the faith.
To me Tebow is still one of the bravest men I’ve seen in a long time, I’m sure he has the support of others in his profession, but are afraid to speak out.
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wmcritter
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:48pmIt’s a shame, Tebow is wasting a great opportunity. He could have gone there and talked to the church about compassion and love for sinners, instead of hate. The sin of homosexuality is no different than the sin of gossip, sloth, greed, lying, or anything else. All have sinned. Tebow could have taken the opportunity to set the church straight (no pun intended) and remind them to love everyone, even though they sin.
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USS_Iowa
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:57pmThat is exactly what Jeffress preaches every Sunday.
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memyselfandi
Feb. 21, 2013 at 3:32pmRelationship with God is not only declaring His love for us but also our love for Him and that means saying to ourselves…not my will be done but thy will be done (Matt 26:42), and I will control the lust of my flesh by the power of the Holy Spirit who lives inside of me. (Romans 8:13)
We ought to walk (live our lives) in such a manner that is pleasing to the Lord and everyone of us should “know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honor”. (1 Thes. 4:1-4)
Relationship with God also involves preparing ourselves for the Judgment seat of Christ where we will receive our just reward for the things we have done both good AND bad. (2 Cor. 5:10)
God does not expect us to accept His love for us and not change…rather, He is expecting us to be “transformed by the renewing of our mind” (Romans 12-2) and grow into a knowledge of God that reflects the very image of Christ. (Eph. 4:13)
Christians are dumbing down the gospel message the same way that society is dumbing down the educational system and this needs to stop.
Me…
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rt elms
Feb. 21, 2013 at 3:34pmActually Critter, Paul said – “Shun immorality and all sexual looseness [flee from impurity in thought, word, or deed]. Any other sin which a man commits is one outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body.” (1 Corinthians 6:18 Amplified Version)
So sexual sins are not the same as the other sins you listed.
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theotherberean
Feb. 21, 2013 at 8:45pm@ME
I concur. Very nice little sermon. Short and to the point. Thanks for sharing.
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danielmchick
Feb. 22, 2013 at 9:24amHomosexuality is not a sin. This is a historial misrepresentation through mistranslation.
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rt elms
Feb. 22, 2013 at 8:35pmDaniel – I could begin by asking if you have a doctorate in either Hebrew of Greek, but I imagine I already know the answer. And no, neither do I. However, having spent many hours studying the subject under those who do hold such credentials, it is a certainty that according to the scriptures, sexual relations outside the bonds of traditional Holy Matrimony is sinful. That would include homosexuality.
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cmaglaughlin
Feb. 22, 2013 at 10:46pm@danielmchick,
Not a sin? If Sodom & Gomorrah is a myth, atheist scientists and archeologists need to explain the more than 1,500,000 bodies found buried in vertical shafts, inside 3 ancient cemeteries there. Also, where did the millions of round balls of nearly pure sulfur (brimstone) found there come from? The area is now a hot, barren desert. If it were not well watered before the destruction as the Bible says – how could the area have supported well over a million well fed people?
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asybot12
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:47pmAnd the PC media wins again.
As you can see they will use anything, any event , anybody and every lie and inSINuation and accusation (mostly unproven but that does not matter the damage is done)
It seems that sadly the old saying still applies:
“The pen is mightier than the sword”
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fightinglee
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:54pmor maybe Tebow just thinks this guy is nuts. I know, its scary that he might have an opinion that is different than yours or the pastor psychopath.
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OldSurfRat
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:46pmListen to all you people.
This guy gets pounded by the left when he stands up for his faith and does not waiver.
Yet when he does not say and do exactly what you people think he should you pile on.
What a bunch of hypocrites.
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neverending
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:56pm@OLDSURFRAT – so true and truly disheartening because Tim has never shyed away from expressing his love and faith in God.
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OldSurfRat
Feb. 21, 2013 at 3:00pmNever
Thank you!
I just posted this above but it applies to most of the posts on here.
You hypocrite, first cast the beam out of your own eye; and then shall you see clearly to cast out the speck out of your brother’s eye.
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Gonzo
Feb. 21, 2013 at 3:11pmBut he’s not standing up for his faith here, he’s backing down. I love the kid and I have defended him for a long time, but he’s backing away from the truth to avoid controversy this time. I’m not saying I don’t like him anymore or I’m done pulling for him. I’m saying he’s backing down to avoid controversy, I’ve never seen him do it before and it’s disappointing.
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OldSurfRat
Feb. 21, 2013 at 3:36pmGONZO
I don’t think anyone can say they don’t know where he stands. He is Tim Tebow a Christian.
He may or may not have been pushed but he certainly has shown his courage in the past.
Can anyone on here say that they know how he feels to be in the spot light and beat up by both sides?
His name and face are everywhere yet he stood up even as a new comer to the NFL and has been a model citizen thru all that mess.
Should we not trust this young mans judgment to make a good decision due to his track record?
You and I come on here and spout our non-sense yet we are OLDSURFRAT and GONZO. Are we ready to put our real names on here?
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theotherberean
Feb. 21, 2013 at 8:56pmHe’s in the spotlight because he put himself there by using his public position to grandstand his faith in Jesus Christ in front of a captive audience at a sporting event.
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neverending
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:39pmGod bless this amazing young man. He said that “due to new information that has been brought to my attention” he has decided to cancel, Nobody here knows what that new information is and so why all the criticism? I am sure he will continue his message – PC he is not and I don’t ever recall him caving not even to all the hate that was poured on him by T’bowing. You go Tim and God bless and yes we still love and support you.
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fightinglee
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:45pmagreed. He sounds like he is saying, i just found out that guy’s message is about bringing people down, and mine is to lift people up. Not interested. It’s too bad that people are dissapointed that Tebow doesnt agree with the message of just casting stones at everyone.
That has never been Tebow’s way. He has only ever said kind things. There are different ways to bring people to your message. I have never seen anyone persuaded by being called names and told they are going to hell. I didnt see Christ do that during his ministry. I saw him reach out, help, and ask them to do better.
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Beachmastermax
Feb. 21, 2013 at 3:02pm@FLee:
How do you get all that out of “due to new info”? I would watch speculating (putting words into Tim’s mouth), gossiping or committing sins of the tongue if I were you.
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fightinglee
Feb. 21, 2013 at 3:12pmbeachmaster, you missed the whole other part of his message wher he says that he focuses on the positive.
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theotherberean
Feb. 21, 2013 at 9:17pmNEVER and FIGHTING you guys must thing Mormons are real jerks then.
LDS Apostle B. H. Roberts wrote, “Saddening as the thought may seem, the Church founded by the labors of Jesus and His Apostles was destroyed from the earth; the Gospel was perverted; its ordinances were changed; its laws were transgressed; its covenant was, on the part of man, broken; and the world was left to flounder in the darkness of a long period of apostasy from God… a universal apostasy from the Christian doctrine and the Christian Church took place” (D.H.C., Vol. I, Introduction, pp. 39 and 41).
Mormons also teach that my religion was hatched in hell,.perverted and apostate, my church is the Church of the Devil, the anti-Christ. evil and the Whore of Babylon, leading me to hell and will be hewn down own and cast into the fire of no return. My Heavenly Father is imaginary and invented. My Jesus is mythical My Trinity is a monster My creeds are an abomination. My justification is pernicious. My grace is a fallacious doctrine originated by Satan. My pastor is corrupt.and presumptuous and blasphemous for performing marriages and offering communion. My Bible is untrustworthy. I am a fool for believing in the Bible alone. I am a child of the devil. My baptism is invalid. I am unforgiven. I am damned. I know nothing of of God. My hope of salvation is influenced by the devil. I have no right to preach the gospel. and I am not a true Christian.
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Beachmastermax
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:38pmFrom Tim’s message it cannot be said that he cancelled because of what this story implies.
The new information may be a work schedule change? A doctor visit change? A health issue that just was diagnosed? A threat on his life? A girl friend’s demand for more attention?
This story is very weak and I would not gossip or judge based upon the info provided.
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neverending
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:58pmThere is only one Judge that counts.
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Ghandi was a Republican
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:35pmIt would not surprise me if Tebow were gay. It would not bother me in the least if he were. He is not one of those alinsky radicals trying to divide people by ‘communities’. It’s none of my business, because he has NEVER MADE IT MY BUSINESS, by forcing it on me and everyone else around me. Same deal if he is straight. It is NONE of my business. I could not care. He has not dragged me into it either way.
I have no reason to believe the is either straight OR gay. I just thought I’d use him as an opportunity to express this about people who are gay. Stay OUT of my business and i will stay out of yours.
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The Big Mick
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:44pmd’accord, GR.
But I also stand by my congent premise that the Prhomo Agenda of Same Sex Marriage is about NOTHING but using the Imprimatur and Power of THE STATE to SILENCE any and all who would dare point and say “Peversion!”.
THAT I will NOT tolerate. They leave me and mine alone they can do what they please between their own perv sheets. But so far the Prhomos seem militantly unwilling to DO as YOU suggest.
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Remember_Benghazi
Feb. 21, 2013 at 3:06pmIf only gays could mind their own business. The religious won’t let them. It sure isn’t the gays denying themselves the right to be married. The opposition to gay marriage comes exclusively from the religious communities.
You never see gays protesting straight weddings. You never hear gays calling straight people abominations. They aren’t forcing you to get gay married. They just want the ability to be married, as loving, consensual adults ought to be able to. Even if you don’t care, which it sound like you don’t, your Christian brothers and sisters are out there and they care a whole lot. They believe God is on their side and they will never simply mind their own business, as you put it.
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1FreeVoice
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:31pmFreedom of Speech for all – not just people who think like us.
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encinom
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:35pmFreedom of Speech is not a defense from being called out for the hate filled lies and bigotry you spew from altars of hate.
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fightinglee
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:36pmand apparently Tebow does not agree with that church.
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The Big Mick
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:53pmENCINOMOM!
The Observant Student is invited to note that Inmom regards expressing ones opinion–in a Constitutional Expression of Free Speech and Free Exercise of Religion–as “HATE” and “Hate Speech.” The Thoughtful Student is invited to ponder the level of Inmom’s Respect for the Constitutional Rights of those who do not buy into his perversion when he/she? says:
“Freedom of Speech is not a defense from being called out”.
Mao’s “Cultural Revolution” comes to mind. I wonder if Inmom fantasizes, among other dark things,
about “‘Re-education’ Camps” for Christians.
The Observant Student is invited to note Inmom is a Poster Girl for my Premise that the Phomo Agenda is about SILENCING their opponents, NOT about “equal rights”.
For that I thank her/him(?) .
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danielmchick
Feb. 22, 2013 at 9:29amThe Constitution disagrees with you on whether or not one may spew hatred and falsehoods.
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auntmoxie.com
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:27pmSome of the statements made by so-called Christians are anything but loving, merciful, and Christ-like. Seems to me Tebow has bigger understanding of God than some on here.
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Ghandi was a Republican
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:40pmReally? You are referring too ‘Christians’ yet you are citing people who could not possibly be “Practicing’ Christians. They are many. They are usually muslims or alinsky radicals you are really referring to. They are not Hindi, Buddhist OR Christians that you are using for your examples.
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BelievinginAmerica
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:47pmAMEN, Sister!
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fightinglee
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:58pmauntmoxie, exactly.
Most evangelicals are the most un-christlike people on this face of this planet.
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Gonzo
Feb. 21, 2013 at 3:00pmReally? Then why did he agree to speak in Jeffress church to start with? He had no idea what Jeffress’ beliefs were? His agent or the Jets organization told him to stay clear of the thing and he obliged.
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Grond
Feb. 21, 2013 at 3:02pmChrist Himself called people hypocrites, vipers and empty tombs full of dead men’s bones, and warned they’d perish if they refused to repent. Was that unloving of Him?
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fightinglee
Feb. 21, 2013 at 3:47pmYeah Grond, he called lots of people hyporcrits, the people like the evangelicals.
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theotherberean
Feb. 21, 2013 at 9:22pmMormons teach that my religion – Christianity – was hatched in hell,.perverted and apostate, my church is the Church of the Devil, the anti-Christ. evil and the Whore of Babylon, leading me to hell and will be hewn down own and cast into the fire of no return. My Heavenly Father is imaginary and invented. My Jesus is mythical My Trinity is a monster My creeds are an abomination. My justification is pernicious. My grace is a fallacious doctrine originated by Satan. My pastor is corrupt.and presumptuous and blasphemous for performing marriages and offering communion. My Bible is untrustworthy. I am a fool for believing in the Bible alone. I am a child of the devil. My baptism is invalid. I am unforgiven. I am damned. I know nothing of of God. My hope of salvation is influenced by the devil. I have no right to preach the gospel. and I am not a true Christian.
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KevINtampa
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:09pmAIDs isn’t more prevalent in the homosexual community? If it is, it’s a gay disease, saying it isn’t only endangers gay people.
The CDC is a hate group then because they also point this truth out:
Incidence is the number of new HIV infections that occur during a given year. CDC estimates that approximately 50,000 people in the United States are newly infected with HIV each year. In 2010 (the most recent year that data are available), there were an estimated 47,500 new HIV infections. [2] Most (63%) of these new infections occurred in gay and bisexual men. Black/African American men and women were also strongly affected and were estimated to have an HIV incidence rate that was almost 8 times as high as the incidence rate among whites.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/basic.htm
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woodyl1011fl
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:07pmThe vile God hating PC media, America’s very own psywar media culture continue to serve their master well Satan must be smiling as to how effective his servants are at all levels of our governmental structure as well.
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encinom
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:36pmThe only thing that is vile is the hate speech coming from these so called men of God. Christanity is proving itself to be a haven for bigotry.
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SquidVetOhio
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:04pmStill waiting for the controversial statements….
You know who else made controversial statements? Jesus of Nazareth
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BlackTalonAmmo
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:20pmHey Squid! Thanks for your service. Would 1 Corinthians 6:9-10be considered “controversial?” God Himself proclaimed it and Jesus of Nazareth came to reiterate it.
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fightinglee
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:23pmYeah, you’re right, Christ was always spreading messages of hate . . . oh no wait . . He was always condemning people with sins . . . oh no, that’s night right either. Hmmm. Oh wait, yes, who was he making controversal statements towards? That’s right, the judgemental saducees and pharisees that wanted to stone everyone.
First baptist church = saducees
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fightinglee
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:28pmactually black, i think you will find that the majority of Christs teachings focuses on positive things rather than negative. Remember, Christ was the one eating and drinking with the sinners and publicans. He was stopping people from stoning a young woman and yes, even breaking the coveted rules against the sabath because they were such tightwads about everything.
Again, First baptist church = saducees
If Christ were here today, his message would be about love, yes a call to repentance, but not by condemning everyone to hell. I dont remember him condemning the woman guilty of fornication to hell, he told her to rise and do better. The baptist church would just throw the rock.
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girlnurse
Feb. 21, 2013 at 1:54pmI watched the video and the preacher is right on! God Bless the guy. Tebow..what a disappointment. Truth hurts..Jesus said He came to bring a sword and it cuts to the marrow of your heart. If you are too sccarreeddd of hurting peoples feellliinngggs God can’t use you.
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ModerationIsBest
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:00pmTebow is smart.
He’s a nice guy and shouldn’t get involved with religious zealots with bad reputations.
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SLAPTHELEFT
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:15pmDifferent people have different ways of bringing the truth to light.
Maybe for once Tebow can have some peace. I know of people who say they hate him just because he’s Christian. Can this guy catch a break? He’s a grown man and can do whats best for himself and his family.Don’t like it? Disappointed? Then do Gods work in your own life and dont worry about what Mr. Tebow does.
God bless you Tim(I’m Tebowing now).
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thara
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:21pmGirlnurse I agree with you.
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techengineer11
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:28pmYeh but the Jewish Media disagrees. End of story.
Where’s Tebow now?
I rest my case.
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fightinglee
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:32pmYes, because God never has patience for anyone that is different. I just find the actual written history of Jesus’ personality to be quite different than that of modern evangelicals who condemn everyone to hell. I read about a man who was firm on teachings, but loving and patient towards individuals. The only ones he lost his patience for were the ones judging everyone else, like the scribes, pharisees, and saducess. He might not accept the practices of all us sinners, but he didnt turn a cold sholder and condemn us. He was the one sitting and talking to them, reaching out.
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Beachmastermax
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:53pm@FLee:
What God says about the power to condemn for sin:
John 5:22 NAS
“For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son
One name God’s word for Jesus is “The ONE who is ready to JUDGE”.
1 Peter 4:5 NAS
but they will give account to Him (Jesus) who is ready to judge the living and the dead.
Anyone calling themselves a “Christian”, yet thinks he is in a situation to condemn, is sadly not a Christian. They do not know Christ, nor his attributes, nor his and only his power, nor his finished works.
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BelievinginAmerica
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:56pmGirlnurse, I agree, we have turned into such a “politically correct” society; that when the truth is told we are called names only worthy for the enemy. Their ugly heads shall rise up and yes, they certainly have!
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SimpleTruths
Feb. 21, 2013 at 3:15pmLeave it to TECHENGINEER11 to work in him bigoted “Jewish Media” rant wherever he can. God I love watching you all tear down the conservative brand.
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shorelineliz
Feb. 21, 2013 at 1:50pmRev. Robert Jeffress is no more controversial in his statements than Rev. Ken Hutcherson of Antioch Bible Church in Seattle, Washington who preaches the same thing on homosexuality and other similar topics. So why does Rev. Jeffress get more heat? Is it because he is white and TExas? While Rev. Hutcherson is Black and Urban? There is a sickening DOUBLE STANDARD in this country on preaching. If a white man in TExas preaches against homosexuality he is a redneck pecker wood homophobic gay hating basher. But, if Black Preacher up in Seattle, Washington wants to preach against homosexuality, well, then, “that is just Black preaching.” This Country sickens me!
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Gonzo
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:02pmJeffress only stated what all evangelicals (including Tebow) believe about Mormonism. The Republican establishment started demonizing him even before the left did because they had already decided who our candidate was going to be before primary season even started…and he was a Mormon.
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Xylliab_of_the_Znarghh
Feb. 21, 2013 at 4:12pmYou are correct, Ken Hutcherson is also a stupid, bigoted dirtbag.
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Gonzo
Feb. 21, 2013 at 1:48pmTebow bows to political correctness. Very disappointing.
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SLAPTHELEFT
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:17pmMaybe he just wants to be left alone for a change.
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Gonzo
Feb. 21, 2013 at 3:01pmThen why did he sign up for the event in the first place?
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Gonzo
Feb. 21, 2013 at 5:13pmSurf, I love the kid. I think he’s the greatest role model in sports. PERIOD
I just don’t want him to start backing down just because non Christians criticize Christianity. Jeffress is no radical, he’s a straight talking evangelical. This move by Tebow will be perceived as disagreement with evangelical Christian views. You and I both know that’s not the case, but it will be perceived that way and the media will be happy to push that view. He may be THE most prominent Christian in America today. Backing down now gives the mockers a win.
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OldSurfRat
Feb. 21, 2013 at 1:47pmThat’s My Boy!
I don’t care what anyone says I like this kid plus he’s from my home town.
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shorelineliz
Feb. 21, 2013 at 1:53pmHe probably was told by his “manager” to keep his big trap shut so ticket sales didn’t go down. He caved big time! Loser!
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SquidVetOhio
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:03pmN.A.S JAX baby! 93-97
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OldSurfRat
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:21pmSquid
I grew up in Mayport.
Shore
No disrespect but if there is one thing nobody can accuse Tim of is caving and being PC.
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Gonzo
Feb. 21, 2013 at 3:23pmOldsurf, Tim is caving and being PC. Look, I like him as much as you do believe me. To make a GA Bulldog into a Gator quarterback fan, it takes a special kid and he is a special kid, but he’s caving on this one.
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OldSurfRat
Feb. 21, 2013 at 3:43pmGONZO
Repeat of above response:
I don’t think anyone can say they don’t know where he stands. He is Tim Tebow a Christian.
He may or may not have been pushed but he certainly has shown his courage in the past.
Can anyone on here say that they know how he feels to be in the spot light and beat up by both sides?
His name and face are everywhere yet he stood up even as a new comer to the NFL and has been a model citizen thru all that mess.
Should we not trust this young mans judgment to make a good decision due to his track record?
You and I come on here and spout our non-sense yet we are OLDSURFRAT and GONZO. Are we ready to put our real names on here?
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shorelineliz
Feb. 21, 2013 at 1:46pmWhat wuss! Stand up for your faith and convictions TEbow!
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fightinglee
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:42pmmaybe he is. maybe he just doesnt agree with you
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Dan_o
Feb. 21, 2013 at 1:45pmCom’on Tebow. You should go there precisely because you believe the message you bring is the Truth. What are you going to do instead? Preach to the choir all day? Just whose image are you more concerned about? Yours or Christ’s?
I don’t know anything about this pastor in Dallas, but this reasoning is silly and unbiblical.
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Dan_o
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:03pmAfter watching the video, I think Tebow should be attending there, not speaking there. The video was spot on.
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USS_Iowa
Feb. 21, 2013 at 2:56pmI’ve known of Jeffress for several years, he was Pastor of a church in my hometown before he left for Dallas. From what I’ve seen and heard from him, I have yet to hear anything from him I don’t agree with. He doesn’t “condemn people to hell”, but he does call sin sin and tells what he believes, based on his interpretation of scripture. Last I heard, that was the job of a Pastor.
I’ve been a member of a few Baptist churches over the years, and what Jeffress preaches is not much different than the other Pastors I’ve had the pleasure to hear. Some people may not like his message, but the Gospel tends to offend people, mainly those who don’t want to receive the message.
I don’t understand why Tebow canceled, but I won’t condemn his actions without knowing the specifics. Overall I think Tebow is a good Christian guy. Personally, I wish he would have kept his commitment to speak. Maybe he did cancel because he was being pressured. If so, I believe that was a mistake on his part, but we all make mistakes and we all fall short of the Glory of God.
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Dan_o
Feb. 21, 2013 at 3:33pmVery true. Thank you.
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Gonzo
Feb. 21, 2013 at 3:38pmIowa, Bill Graham is an “extremist” by today’s media standards. Jeffress is doing his job.
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