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A letter from the the federal Department of Veteran’s Affairs detailing how a veteran deemed incompetent of making their own payment decisions for VA benefits and would therefore be ineligible to own firearms has been gaining traction recently. TheBlaze has been inundated with tips from readers wanting to know more.
We’re here to report that this discussion already has cropped up in recent months and that it is not a new practice by the VA. This doesn’t make it any less worthy though for us to point out that it is raising questions among many.
In a “disturbing report” posted on Red Flag News, Constitutional Attorney Michael Connelly writes that he has received a letter and heard several stories of what might “sound like something right from a documentary on a tyrannical dictatorship somewhere in the world.” This scenario is depicted by Connelly as follows:
How would you feel if you received a letter from the U.S. Government informing you that because of a physical or mental condition that the government says you have it is proposing to rule that you are incompetent to handle your own financial affairs? Suppose that letter also stated that the government is going to appoint a stranger to handle your affairs for you at your expense? That would certainly be scary enough but it gets worse.
What if that letter also stated: “A determination of incompetency will prohibit you from purchasing, possessing, receiving, or transporting a firearm or ammunition. If you knowingly violate any of these prohibitions, you may be fined, imprisoned, or both pursuant to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, Pub.L.No. 103-159, as implemented at 18, United States Code 924(a)(2).”?
He calls the stories he has heard as his capacity as executive director of the United States Justice Foundation ”appalling.” Below are a few screenshots from the letter Connelly included, but you can see the full images here.



TheBlaze reached out to the Department of Veteran’s Affairs for more insight but has not heard back yet. From what we found on its website, the VA’s Fiduciary Program was established to “protect veterans and beneficiaries who are unable to manage their VA benefits through the appointment and oversight of a fiduciary.”
Under the program — and as stated in the letter — if a person is deemed incompetent — which could be due to injury, disease or mental illness — and unable manage benefit payments, someone can be named as a fiduciary to do so for them. This person, the website states, is generally a family member but court-appointed or professional fiduciaries are possible as well (therefore Connelly’s assertion that a “stranger” be named is technically possible, but not the rule).
The counterargument, however, might sound something like this: If a person is rated as too incompetent to handle their own benefit payments, might it be a good time to consider other things that might not be advisable for the person to handle?
The VA states on its Fiduciary Program website, according to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, being determined as unable to manage benefits then prevents you from “purchasing, possessing, receiving or transporting a firearm or ammunition.” This act was signed into law in 1993.
As TheBlaze reported in December 2012, some congress members and others want this law changed:
Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., sought to amend the bill to stop the Veterans Affairs Department from putting the names of veterans deemed too mentally incompetent to handle their finances into the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, which prohibits them from buying or owning firearms.
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“We consider it an abject tragedy that so many of our veterans return home, after risking life and limb to defend our freedom, only to be stripped of their Second Amendment rights because they need help managing their compensation,” Chris Cox, the NRA’s chief lobbyist, wrote last year in an editorial.
But Connelly in his piece on Red Flag News takes issue with the fact that the letter doesn’t specify how incompetency is determined.
“In every state in the United States no one can be declared incompetent to administer their own affairs without due process of law and that usually requires a judicial hearing with evidence being offered to prove to a judge that the person is indeed incompetent,” Connelly wrote.
The VA’s Fiduciary Program website doesn’t delve into this either. It does state that a person has the right to appeal his or her fiduciary if he or she disagrees with the fiduciary selection. This does not seem to imply that the classification of incompetency is appealable though.
Finding information about how veterans are evaluated for competency is hard to come by. A document detailing a job description for someone who would evaluate veteran claims, last revised in 2009, seems to give some insight (emphasis added):
The initial examiner develops evidence which would establish that the veteran’s actions are such that he cannot conduct himself in a rational manner. Guides are far from precise and considerable imagination is required to ferret out the kind of evidence upon which to base a sound conclusion. However, the primary knowledge requirement is that of understanding the manifestations of mental diseases. The rating board makes the decisions as to competency. Decisions of the VA in matters of competency may vary from court determinations and have a most important bearing on the right to receive benefits. If a beneficiary is judged to be incompetent, the examiner must seek further evidence to determine who should receive the monetary award due.
Connelly in his post stated that USJF will be filing a Freedom of Information Act Request to the VA in an effort to obtain the criteria used to determine competency, which might therefore be “plac[ing] veterans on the background check list that keeps them from exercising their Second Amendment rights.”
It should also be pointed out that the VA website says being deemed incompetent to manage benefits does not affect non-VA finances or the person’s right to vote.
Still, Connelly questions “who will be next”?
“If you are receiving a Social Security check will you get one of these letters? Will the government declare that you are incompetent because of your age and therefore banned from firearm ownership?” Connelly wrote. “It certainly fits in with the philosophy and plans of the Obama administration. It is also certain that our military veterans don’t deserve this and neither do any other Americans.”
Let us know what you think of prohibiting veterans from owning firearms if they are deemed incompetent by taking our poll:
Update: We have corrected that the letter was sent from the federal U.S. Department of Veterans affairs out of its regional office in Oregon. The Oregon Department of Veterans Affairs, as it was first referenced, is a state agency that does not issue such rating letter like that discussed in this story.
TheBlaze also reached out to one of a military expert who is a veteran for more information regarding this topic. We will update this post if we hear back from him or the VA.
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Comments (153)
jocobin
Feb. 22, 2013 at 5:50pmSo when I was 19 I was on a .50 cal, MK19 auto grenade launcher, M-16, M-9 Beretta, 240G medium machine gun, M249 SAW, and a Antitank surface to surface missile system whilst serving 2 years in Iraq but I can’t buy a pistol in the United States at the immature age of 30 b/c I have bad dreams? Maybe I am going crazy! >_<
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jcldwl
Feb. 22, 2013 at 6:31pmI am a vet from years back. I never have nor will I ever visit a VA hospital for any care. If you served you know how screwed up the government is. Why would I subject myself to their VA health care or freely allow them to decide things for me. I did that once when I took my oath but I don’t have to do it again.
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banjarmon
Feb. 22, 2013 at 8:43pmIF a person voted for BHO, they have already proven they are UNFIT to own a weapon and should be bared from ever voting again!!!!
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sasquatch08
Feb. 23, 2013 at 3:29amI know a bunch of people who are in school or “low income” who rely on the VA… they’re getting screwed… they know it, but due to school payments or low income they can’t do anything else.
Welcome to 1984.
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pavnvet
Feb. 23, 2013 at 12:47pmFirst this is nothing new, this provision goes back to the Clinton administration. The article describes a rating board. THERE IS NO SUCH THING. One person (who is neither a doctor aor a lawyer) rates the vet (percentage of disability) and determines competency in mental health cliams. Unlike Social Security you may be determined to be partially disabled. Mental Health claims can be rated as little as zero (yes you have an issue but it is not impacting your life) all the way to 100% (total social and occupational impairment) The way it works is that a vet files a claim, a VA Regional Office starts to assemble medical records and the vets complete military file. The vet may also submit outside (of the VA) medical information and statements in support of his/her claim. If the rater determines there is a nexus of your condition to your military service, the vet is sent for a Compensation and Pension exam (known as a C&P. The rater receives the C&P report and then is supposed to make a decision based upon guidelines of symptoms. It is at this point a determination is forwarded to the vet. If the vet disagrees with the decision he/she has 90 days to appeal it through a Notice of Disagreement (NOD) and he can request to have it heard by a Decision Review Officer (DRO) or have it heard by what is called the Board of Veterans Appeals (BVA). Most vets appeal to the DRO has it has a faster response time (anywhere from 3 months to untold amount of years). (cont,)
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pavnvet
Feb. 23, 2013 at 12:59pmThe problem with the incompetency is the only person making this determination is one that is neither a lawyer or a doctor just that the rater feels it is necessary based on the existing medical evidence.
Volunatry mental health inpatient treatment does not automatically trigger the incompetency ruling. However, involuntary hospitalization will in most cases result in a denial under current NICS guidelines.
A vet has a right to appeal the competency ruling and it is sometimes overturned. Mostly the ruling is an attempt to protect the vet against himself for his/her funds to be properly handled. Often the fiduciary is a family member. Vets that have strong suicidal or homicidal ideation (which is self confessed) are a concern and based on the medical evidence they may be issued the competency clause and still be rated only 70%.
You would literally have to spend hundreds of hours in reading to understand the complete process. The bottom line is that a veteran deserves a legal determination by a judge, not an administrative person. In other words, it is a due process issue to us vets.
Vets may be rated 100% for PTSD and not also be incompetent. Rarely will lower ratings ever have an incompetency addendum.
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TheMarginalizedMan
Feb. 23, 2013 at 2:40pmIt must threaten them to know what u can do. A tyrannical government wants to meet with as little resistance as possible. It just looks better on the USA Today to know that the transition is going smoothly.
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peaceangel
Feb. 23, 2013 at 9:37pmJC the plan is not a democratic or obama plan first of all—-it is a Bilderburg plan and is 200 years old but just so you know Obamacare which every american will be forced into one way or the other also has these same provisions. This is a total takeover of the gov. and disarming the people is the plan and nothing short of a run on the evildoers will stop them The plan is to have a communist nation before the end of Obama’s term. While he is off campaigning and playing golf these laws are being signed by executive order and they are literally coming out of the White House daily. It is time to get off of the internet and hit the streets or they will not be stopped. I have followed this movement for forty years and our constitution is already been legislatively overturned and the only thing standing between them and a new world nazi order is to disarm us.
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G-WHIZ
Feb. 24, 2013 at 9:34amMy x-girlfriend had an uncle whom had a bad stroke AND was jn a VA-BIG-BROTHER hospital. The inside of the rooms was smeared with crapp, pizz, vommit, and other great stuff-unknown. She and her mother had to go every few days to give uncle a bath cause the BIG-BROTHER-HOSP had no staff to do any cleaning….all the money$$ was used in GRAFT for politicians’ bank accounts off-shore!!
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demsrtraitors
Feb. 22, 2013 at 5:33pmI’m sure with this being out there, this will keep war veterans from seeking help. Many now on active duty or in the Reserves don’t want to seek help because they want to get into law enforcement and or get a CHL. But if they are diagnosed with PTSD or Depression they are afraid the VA will tell the States to NOT give the vet a CHL or let them buy a firearm. So the vets or active duty members will just continue to suffer in silence.
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DadRocked
Feb. 22, 2013 at 8:45pmDemsrtraitors – “…this will keep war veterans from seeking help.”
Sure does and sure will…
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Annekin
Feb. 23, 2013 at 4:41pmThis is so sad! It is so wrong!
The VA can ruin a veteran’s life and chance for employment!. Who screens those that work for the VA. If the person working is anti gun, anti war….what else would you expect. The VA treats vets worse than dogs. The VA is suppose to be supporting the veterans and here thay are trying to destroy their lives.
Weird stuff is also happening in doctor’s offices. They ask children if their daddy or mommy owns a gun and where it is kept. What this has to do with a well baby check or a child being ill is beyond me. What buisness is it of the doctor, and more importantly what do they do with the information. The government is intruding into our lives more and more! Now you can’t trust your doctor.
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LiveforFreedom
Feb. 22, 2013 at 5:30pmThe State of Wisconsin VA is the sameway, they are directed by the Feds on the Brady Bill if you are deemed imcompetent to handle your finances than they say you fit under the Brady Bill and they will take your Guns period no questions asked, you have like 30days to file that you can handle your own money and you better have some Doctors state that you can, or they will take them!!!
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mewnani
Feb. 23, 2013 at 2:59amXyl-whatever-your-name-is, there are still heroes in the world. They may be rarer than before, and they may be hidden from your eyes but they’re still there. You like to think people who join the army out of valor and the need to do good are gone now, but thankfully for all of us you’re wrong.
Don’t let the evil in the world make you jaded. There’s still good out there if you know where to look for it.
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Xylliab_of_the_Znarghh
Feb. 22, 2013 at 3:21pmGood! Most people join the army because they can’t get a job. People who are unable to support themselves and have a proven willingness to kill are exactly who shouldn’t be allowed to own guns.
KILLACOMMIE4MOMMY
Feb. 22, 2013 at 3:28pmWow, I assume you have never served anything in your except yourself.
Your stupidity was just highlighted for the world to see.
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ICSPADES
Feb. 22, 2013 at 3:40pmMost people join the military because they love their country. Little did they know they would be controlled by lunatic liberals when they got out. I hope they all come together, gather all the weapons and head straight to Washington madder than hell. About 2 million mad veterans should be able to clean house in about 4 hrs. Another 2 million patriots could sweep up after the infusion of love.
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Silent-No-More
Feb. 22, 2013 at 5:13pmYou are a bigot. Some of us actually join the military because we love our country. It is also a great opportunity for those of us smart enough not to take on hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt that we can’t afford to get a useless liberal arts or feminist studies college degree.
Thanks to my time in the military, I have a Bachelor’s degree and no debt. I also got an up close and personal view of the enemies who hate our country and want to destroy it because they don’t like freedom for anyone.
Oh and by the way, it sounds like the decision about mental competence is being made by members of the very same system that tells a person the pain in their knee is all in their head. Oops, turns out the MRI showed the need for surgery, twice.
Enjoy your freedom to be an idiot. A few of us put up with a lot of insult and injury to protect your freedom. Enjoy Sharia Law if we lose.
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jocobin
Feb. 22, 2013 at 5:40pmWhat is this verbal vomit coming from the hole in your face? You disgust me. You just stereo typed a lot of people… what hate group do you belong too? I’m a Marine Corps combat vet and enlisted b/c of 9/11 (on Paris Island 3 months after the buildings went down). You are the embodiment of the type of person who spit on returning Vietnam vets. Thank God you are in the minority today and are too spineless to say this to a vets face. The men I served with were the smartest people I’ve ever met. I keep track of them via facebook and they went on to be doctors, lawyers, executives etc….
I have had nothing but positive remarks from folks that happen to find out I was in the Marines and served 2 deployments to Iraq. I don’t advertise it and I assume the folks that have a negative opinion are smart enough to keep their mouth shut. Although I have been turned down for a job based on the fact that I have been in combat. But today and for the last 4 years I’ve been an exec at a worldwide analytical lab so I’m doing ok without the military’s assistance thank you. The Marine Corps is not a welfare program you moron!
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Xylliab_of_the_Znarghh
Feb. 22, 2013 at 6:17pmjocobin
If you were really a Marine you would have known that Parris Island isn’t spelled like Paris the city. I’m not impressed by fake tough talk real tough from a liar who never served.
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Xylliab_of_the_Znarghh
Feb. 22, 2013 at 6:19pmICSPADES
I meant most people in the real world, not the comic books and old movies you base your opinions on.
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CALLMEMSGT
Feb. 22, 2013 at 6:19pmXyl. Pucker up your lips, real big, you know like you are going to whistle. Now kiss my …
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Xylliab_of_the_Znarghh
Feb. 22, 2013 at 6:28pmSilent-No-More
Why am I a bigot? I said that most people join the army because they can’t get a job. How did you get through college without learning what the word most means? If you really joined because you believed you would be serving your country, I admire your intent to be of service. The pain in your knee may not have been all in your head, but the belief that was ever any danger that we would have to live under Sharia Law is.
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Xylliab_of_the_Znarghh
Feb. 22, 2013 at 6:31pmCALLMEMSGT
How’d you make Sergeant so fast? I thought they just started to let guys like you serve openly last year.
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Galt45
Feb. 22, 2013 at 7:58pmXylliab_of_the_Znarghh
Most people do not join the Army because they can not get a job, and they are quite able to support themselves. I don’t know if you actually believe otherwise, or if you are just trying to stir up trouble.
Xylliab_of_the_Znarghh
Feb. 22, 2013 at 8:21pmGalt45
I actually believe that most people join the army because we have failed them. We have left them unfit to succeed in normal society and feeling like they have no other, better choice. And I believe that convincing yourself that they have some more noble motive is a bunch of romantic horse manure.
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gibbensterrydee
Feb. 22, 2013 at 8:24pmI can’t believe you. You really have no clue and I’m really sorry for you. But what’s really neat you’re entitled to your opinion no matter how messed they are…
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ANGIE11
Feb. 23, 2013 at 1:31amexactly what does XYLLIAB_OF_THE_ZNARGHH mean?
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MastrSGT
Feb. 23, 2013 at 3:04amExcept the vast majority of those who join the service are 33% more successful than those who don’t. And among those who joined Special Forces 99% of them have higher IQ’s and are more successful than those who never served in the same demographic.
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Bohump
Feb. 23, 2013 at 7:19amAs a Vetran, .. And the son of a Vetran, it sound,s to me That in a Firefight, … I would NOT want to have ” xyzciab – of znarghh “… On My 6.
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DukeOfEarl
Feb. 23, 2013 at 12:16pmXLY Ya really? I had joined the Army to follow in my families footsteps.
I sent total 11 years. And you have the gall to saay what you said just shows
how lamee you really are.
But then again, the only army you could get in wold be the Salvation Army and
you would probably take all the money from the kettle and go AWOL.
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picketwire
Feb. 23, 2013 at 12:24pmI was sent a draft notice by a democratic president who was shot and then volunteered and sent by his replacement to a war that the leadership did not want to fight to win. I was called names by people who the president calls his friends, (bill ares, Hanoi Jane, Fat Boy, Penn, and et all) and now his administration and you slap me in my face and tell me that you do not “trust” me to own a firearm. Why? What is the Democratics doing that they fear the people that know how to use a firearm?
The United States is the nation that fought for freedom then passed laws to get rid of it.
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pavnvet
Feb. 23, 2013 at 1:04pmJust to add my two cents to XYL, Every man or woman who has ever served has written a blank check to the citizens of this country for up to and including their life. Have you ever made that type of commitment to anything? Please do me a favor and crawl back into whatever hole you came out of.
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marvthemartian
Feb. 23, 2013 at 1:16pmXYL _THE_MORON, did you ever hear of the draft? I’m betting you were never in the military and are probably a gun hater. Just sayin’.
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Xylliab_of_the_Znarghh
Feb. 23, 2013 at 5:07pmmarvthemartian
I have heard of the draft because I was alive 40 years ago when we still had it. Anybody who was actually drafted has to be even older than me, so if they are still around, they have probably successful assimilated with normal society by now and I’m not worried about those guys having guns. Let’s not forget that the guys this article is actually talking about are either crazy or playing crazy in order to mooch because they still aren’t prepared to succeed in normal society. So yeah, I don’t want them armed. Why would I?
You are correct that I never served. Our country actually didn’t get into any long-term wars during the years that I was neither too young nor too old. As a member of a standing army during peace time I would have been just a parasite sucking at the government teat, as useless as the laziest welfare cheat.
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peaceangel
Feb. 23, 2013 at 9:47pmYou are an idiot. I have been counseling vets for forty years since Viet Nam and nothing you are saying is the truth. True our new military is made up of lots of young men who did join to get out of bad homes or because they could not find a job BUT after their training believe me they are far better citizens and patriots than you are. NOTHING gives you the right to slam a vet. NOTHING
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Xylliab_of_the_Znarghh
Feb. 24, 2013 at 12:16ampeaceangel
You’ve been counseling vets for 40 years? That’s funny because for 30 of those 40 years we didn’t have a war that lasted more than a couple of months. Anyone who needed counseling during that time must have been either still crazy after decades of trying to fit back into society, or still not ready to take care of themselves after kicking the can down the road by spending a couple more years letting the grown ups tell them what to do. Either way it ain’t a real strong argument to convince me that I’m wrong.
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UglySlippers
Feb. 24, 2013 at 10:12amI have family members who are ex-military. My brother was a Marine. My sister in law was a major in the Air Force. Neither joined simply because they couldn’t get a job. Nor did they join because they wanted to kill people. Your comment is extremely offensive to anybody who served, or who had family members that served. It is those who serve and/or have served that have given you the right to make your offensive comment. You should be grateful. Not hateful.
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Xylliab_of_the_Znarghh
Feb. 24, 2013 at 3:26pmUglySlippers
“It is those who serve and/or have served that have given you the right to make your offensive comment.”
Actually, no. Everybody has rights. If you mean that those who have served have preserved and protected my right to make offensive comments, that’s true if your brother and sister in law served in the War of 1812. It’s true to a slightly lesser degree if they served in World War II. It’s a bunch of romantic self-deluding nonsense if they served any time since then.
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Uechi
Feb. 22, 2013 at 3:13pmI have gotten to the point where I don’t care what this Government does about the 2nd Amendment. I will not comply. They will have to jail me or kill and I won’t do either quietly.
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starcross1
Feb. 23, 2013 at 7:17amI promise—–you will NOT go alone/
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Bodacious_Boedi
Feb. 22, 2013 at 3:09pmThis is true. My VA shrink told me to get rid of my firearms as just a knee jerk recommendation. I told her “no”, very clipped…very definitive. She was of Middle Eastern or Indian descent and I told her “I don’t know how it’s done where you’re from, but Americans just don’t surrender their guns.”
I could have had my benefits cut and they may try again but this is a SERIOUS bloc of men and women trained to use firearms who may vote together that they’re screwing with. I’m starting to like Robert Heinlein’s idea of only veterans being able to vote…hold office….be full citizens….etc….
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jungle J
Feb. 22, 2013 at 4:58pmyou need to name names or you are just another fraud.
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Elena2010
Feb. 22, 2013 at 6:03pmJungle — what are3 you talking about? Nobody on an open board is going to name names unless that person is already in the public arena.
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BayuzhiZERO
Feb. 23, 2013 at 12:45pmElena2010, he’s referring to the mental midget above this thread. Someone misspelled Parris Island, and got called a fake.
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Chuck Troupe
Feb. 23, 2013 at 9:00pmYou are referring of course to “Starship Troopers” (the book, not the stupid movie), and I certainly agree that full citizenship should not be possible without at least one full hitch in one of our armed services. And most importantly, any negative opinion about vets owning firearms by any person who has NOT served, should be regarded by all as just so much ******* seepage.
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Tachy320
Feb. 24, 2013 at 3:10pmI was with you up until the voting part. Thats as arrogant and stupid as the the crap snarg is spewing. I wasn’t in the military but got severely injured as a cop several years ago. I served the people of my community selflessly for 13 years. I admire you guys who serenity your statement goes too far.
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BlackBeaver
Feb. 22, 2013 at 3:05pmДобро пожаловать в ‘Новую Америку’, Товарища
(Welcome to the ‘New America’, Comrade)
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KILLACOMMIE4MOMMY
Feb. 22, 2013 at 3:30pmBlack Beaver….was that your mothers stage name….or did she work the Donkey Show Circuit?
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THX-1138
Feb. 22, 2013 at 2:53pmDisgusting but utterly expected from the Monster that was once a bastion of Freedom….
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the-most-interesting-troll-in-the-world
Feb. 22, 2013 at 2:42pmI don’t often care about AusTROLLian interlopers, but when I do, I prefer to expose “Avenge the KKK” as Harry (AKA Pokey) of Utica Club.
Stay pucking around, my SJ Shark friends, it’s Friday; “Up Up and Away, CrackerMan!” Mom said to.
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civilwarcometh
Feb. 22, 2013 at 3:24pmHow obama won re-election…http://www.examiner.com/article/breaking-obama-campaign-caught-major-vote-fraud-scheme So far over 11.000 illegal votes just in NC….
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Todd Hoke
Feb. 24, 2013 at 12:13amMr. and/or Mrs.THE-MOST-INTERESTING-TROLL-IN-THE-WORLD,
This is what you must know:
You’re not interesting at all.
It is so.
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garbagecanlogic
Feb. 22, 2013 at 2:39pmPerhaps it would be better if the VA started taking care of the veterans properly instead of constantly trying to screw us in one way or the other. It is so bloated in minority employees currently, that is is any wonder it can function at all.
Praise Be To Obama. Psalm 109:8
The U.N. Out Of The U.S.
The U.S. Out Of The U.N.
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Cronpolis
Feb. 22, 2013 at 3:04pmYeah I noticed that as well with the whole minority thing. It seems that a majority of the workers and doctors are minorities. I was at a VA voc rehab appointment and the guy there was talking about how he can get extra money for the vets that he finds a job for. I guess you have to be a minority to get that extra money because I haven’t seen any of that. The people who have the power are using it for “their kind” of people. This is becoming more and more common and it shouldn’t be that way. Picking favorites is a horrible way to do business. Treat everyone the same and there will be no biases.
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BayuzhiZERO
Feb. 23, 2013 at 12:49pmMakes you think that maybe the VA employment rolls should be restricted to Veterans only.
A serviceman is not likely to screw over another serviceman.
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pavnvet
Feb. 23, 2013 at 2:23pmI have gone to a VA Medical Center (that in itself is a misnomer). I have been misdiagnosed on so many occasions, I have stopped counting. Although, I am 100% disabled, I have recently made the decision to use private doctors.
The last three doctors I had regarding a GI issue gave these final words when the symptoms didn’t resolve. “I don’t think it is cancer.” “I don’t know what to tell you.” The last tests were negative, take care.” I went to a private GI doctor and on the first visit he gave a diagnosis and treatment plan. In a week I was feeling my old self. Time of the BS I went through at the VA? One year.
They say the VA is getting better. Yep it went from horrendous to just plain terrible.
I still love my country and the ideals for which it was founded. I can’t say the same for my government.
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Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Feb. 22, 2013 at 2:37pmHere is some speculation. With ObamaCare, they will look at what medicines you have taken, and if anything you took was for mental problems, such as depression, they will deem you unfit to own a gun.
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tonypro
Feb. 22, 2013 at 2:52pmYep, just another backdoor to gain control…..nothing more.
There are meds that are used for depression that are also used as sleep aids for instance.
So now if you have any trouble sleeping you can’t get help, and own a gun.
What a crock of crapola.
These hypocrites need to be removed.
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biohazard23
Feb. 22, 2013 at 3:24pmI’ve said this before and I’ll repeat it here. There are plenty of physicians out there willing to label virtually every single human emotion as some sort of mental disorder. The American Psychiatric Association is leading the way in creating new diagnoses to account for everything from simple anxiety to full-blown psychosis. Things a little crazy at work and now you have a tension headache? Guess what? That’s currently classified as a mental disorder. And the pharmaceutical companies are pushing their wares to make sure you have a pill to snuff out of every potential emotion you may encounter during this shared journey called Life. Even a transient symptom such as tachycardia or heart palpitations can be called into question since they can be indicative of a potential stress/anxiety related “disorder”. If you must, share only the information that is absolutely necessary with any healthcare professional. You don’t know how your words will be transcribed and coded in your medical record.
Just sayin’.
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peaceangel
Feb. 23, 2013 at 10:28pmYou are sooooo right and this is why the teachers and principals forced a huge number of kids onto anti-depressants over the last 20 years and ALL the foster kids have been put on them and not only are the meds filled with poisons the plan was always to declare these kids as unfit to own a gun.
This plan is 200 years old and the gov. put all the poisons into our soil and water to make us #1 world wide for every mental or physical ailment known to man and they made poisonous meds and forced a generation of kids and a ton of vets and other civilians onto these drugs and now those ppl cannot own a gun and obamacare does the same thing the VA is doing.
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taintso
Feb. 24, 2013 at 7:46amI had high BP and the doc wanted me to quit smoking I agreed and he ordered bupropen (spelling not right) which is a funny farm drug when I got them there was nothing on the bottle or directions for smoking cessation, I refused them and told the pharmacist I wanted the Rx to indicate it was for smoking.
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Whatmeworry-never
Feb. 22, 2013 at 2:22pmThis is the insidious ways the Government has of “disqualifying” folks to own guns. So a Vet has put everything on the line for the USA and her people yet cannot have a firearm to aide in their recovery.
I say it is time to pass a law that to be a politician you have to be a veteran, maybe then vets will get treated with the respect they deserve. Politicians are out of control and we must hold their feet to the fire.
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tonypro
Feb. 22, 2013 at 2:55pm“I say it is time to pass a law that to be a politician you have to be a veteran,”
OK where do I sign up, you have my vote—-twice.
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Patriot Huntress
Feb. 22, 2013 at 3:24pm“I say it is time to pass a law that to be a politician you have to be a veteran, maybe then vets will get treated with the respect they deserve. Politicians are out of control and we must hold their feet to the fire.”
I agree wholeheartedly on that, especially if that veteran has shed his own blood for his nation. These men and women can fully understand what it really means to love your country. I tend to put vets on a pedestal but do understand they are only human too so there is a possibility of getting a few turds. The one thing we can be sure of is they really do know what is sacrificed to preserve freedom. Let’s not allow them to disarm our heroes. They will be the only ones well enough trained to stand between common people and the jack booted thugs the gov will send to take us down. They can’t use the military on our soil but every federal dept from USDA to Dept of Ed has fully armed swat teams and don’t think they won’t use them. Their swat teams will go right along with it since they aren’t about to give up their paychecks and great health care. Remember they are being indoctrinated to believe we are all seething toothless uneducated redneck moonshiners clinging to our religion and guns.
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Excomunicatedmarine
Feb. 22, 2013 at 3:37pmI’ll stand with that. In fact I believe to be in the bureaucracy same criteria should apply. No skin in the game no play.
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CALLMEMSGT
Feb. 22, 2013 at 6:27pmI’m in.
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ANGIE11
Feb. 23, 2013 at 1:42amI believe the Commander in Chief should be required to have served in the military.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkMKdpgPYTM
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Chuck Troupe
Feb. 23, 2013 at 9:26pmAll vets, start networking. Know each other. Befriend each other. And when (and if) you get such a notice from the VA (or Social Security) or ANY government agency, let your fellow vets know about it. And when they (no matter who “they” might be) come to take your guns, USE your guns to make the sons-of-bichtes disappear ! ! ! At some point we the people need to start letting ALL government officials (whether elected or appointed), and ALL law enforcement agencies (federal, state or local), know that if they are willing to follow orders to confiscate our firearms they are going to suffer a lot of fatalities. Unfortunately there are many such people who have that Nazi mentality, “…just following orders…” and they will even shoot your children if they think it will be effective. Anyone who is not willing to FIGHT for our Constitutional rights, might as well just buy a 55 gallon drum of KY, drop your pants, bend over … and brace yourselves.
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peaceangel
Feb. 23, 2013 at 10:41pmChuck ALL of you need to join OATHKEEPERS.ORG They know this is coming and all the members including civilians take an oath NOT to go against the constitution and not to do what was already done in NOLA during Katrina when they imprisoned the citizens in the superdome and because Bush ordered them not to respond to or protect or aid the people in the dome, people were murdered and gangraped by gangbangers and lots of babies were born from the week the national guard imprisoned those folks who were coming off prescription drugs and street drugs and they had no food or water and were ordered not to help the people and they DID NOT. And down the street more natl. guardsmen were ordered not to let food and water get to the dome and they obeyed the orders and at the same time NAGEN who is now going to prison disarmed the ppl of NOLA at the executive order of BUSH. The whole thing was a test to see if they could get it done and they did. Also I recently read that 25% of active duty marines are willing to shoot at an american citizen. And for a decade the ARMY has been hiring internment guards who are willing to imprison american citizens in the 800 FEMA camps that Halliburton built since 2005. You can see the ad right on their website. IF any of you plan to stop this, the time is NOW.
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paperpushermj
Feb. 22, 2013 at 2:11pmHow is this not a violation of the ADA the Americans with Disabilities Act?
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Elena2010
Feb. 22, 2013 at 2:02pmOnly a court of law is supposed to be able to determine competency. THAT is due process, not some bureaucrat saying whatever pleases Caesar.
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paperpushermj
Feb. 22, 2013 at 2:09pmGreat point
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Flag-Man
Feb. 22, 2013 at 2:14pmSemper Fi
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tsnorquist
Feb. 22, 2013 at 3:23pmHe prefers the title “Führer Obama”, but nonetheless.
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Flyingfish
Feb. 22, 2013 at 2:00pmNo desk pusher should ever be allowed to make the determination. A court, a judge, and some sort of review board should be handling this.
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tonypro
Feb. 22, 2013 at 2:48pmI agree this is the way to go.
In the past, I had a vet friend that I was very close to, and spent a lot of time with trying to help him. Because of his physical injuries (head wound), his mental state was about equal to a five or six year old, and was prone to tantrums. I hate to say it, but I would not have been comfortable with him having a firearm close by.
Now, that being the exception, NO I do not think some bureaucrat that knows nothing about you has the right to make such a decision like this. This is sooooo ripe for the out of control corruption in our gov.
My personal belief is that all, wounded or not, veterans of war should have an automatic ability to open, or conceal carry with no other licensing, or restrictions put on them, and should apply no matter what state they’re in.
How is it they are trusted with weapons to serve in the military in protecting our nation, and under scrutiny of owning a firearm when they return.
PURE HYPOCRISY.
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Witness1974
Feb. 22, 2013 at 1:57pmIt will not be long before “aberrant” opinions will not only prevent gun ownership, but will require active “psychological intervention.” In the old days we used to call it “re-education comrade.”
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Stoic one
Feb. 22, 2013 at 2:13pmthis is already happening…blaze articles last spring about vets being deemed psychologically dangerous because of their opinions and being detained without due process.
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1TrueOne55
Feb. 22, 2013 at 2:23pmSounds like Obama wants to bring back the Progressive mental defective laws of the 1930′s. The same laws that drove the National Socialists in Germany to kill/murder millions of people in gas chambers. Not only did they kill Jews but a lot of other ethnic groups they deemed “unwanted”, mentally ill, gays and blacks… These same laws filled Mental Asylums with Downes Syndrome children and others…
When Obama keeps complaining that the GOP wants to take us back to the 50′s, he wants to go farther back to the days of Progressive Rule the 1930′s… Those years were the days of financial ruin for many especially the “Rich”. They were also the days when many children were removed from parents for financial and emotional reasons. It is when Planned Parenthood began its push for contraception to reduce the birthrate among those they deemed “unfit” for reproduction, Jews, Gays, Blacks. Sound familiar? It was Margaret Sanger’s speaking tour of Germany that pushed the “Nazi” regime to increase its efforts to begin the “Final Solution”!
Progressive Ideology is Genocidal Ideology because ABORTION DESTROYS THE NEXT GENERATIONS. Calling it murder does not do it justice.
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Cavallo
Feb. 22, 2013 at 2:27pmThey also tried to ambush a pro gun advocate in the hospital and steal away his newborn child. These anti gun fascists are evil. The Gestapo would be proud to count any one of these fascist statist autocrats as members.
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justangry
Feb. 22, 2013 at 1:52pmI’m right so often it’s scary. If I weren’t so socially ret**ded… We can’t let the government play these games. You often hear the left playing the “well regulated militia” card. What could be more ‘well regulated’ (practiced/trained) than veterans of multiple deployments? I know Justin Amash is standing up against loosely defined mental health issues as a reason to deprive anyone of their rights. I’m not hearing a lot of this from the rest of the ‘conservatives’? I think McCain and Graham are ENTHUSIASTICALLY on board while playing grab ass with Chuckie Schummer… Nah, they’re hopping on board, saying this makes sense. Sense to corrupt lefty R’s aka Neocons aka Bolshevik infiltrators, I guess. Not only will this result in sticking it to some of the nation’s best, it will prevent honorable people from seeking the help they need.
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SpankDaMonkey
Feb. 22, 2013 at 1:47pm.
So you trained us to be Killers and now you don’t think we should own a gun. What are you afraid of?…..
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msconstrue
Feb. 22, 2013 at 2:33pmthat would be the $64,000 question!
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TyrannyNoMore
Feb. 22, 2013 at 5:27pmSpankdamonkey…..I suspect your question is a rhetorical one. However, I will answer for those who frequent the Blaze, who do not yet have eyes that see.
What they are afraid of is a well trained, well armed rebellion popping up in the middle of their communist takeover of our once great republic. Vets are tops on their list of those whom they can’t afford to have running around with guns.
Regardless, if you wore the uniform I would be proud to share my personal arsenal with you no matter the consequence, should you find yourself disarmed by these Marxist usurpers.
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starcross1
Feb. 23, 2013 at 7:08amLads, we are rapidly approaching critical mass. IMHO, the major item to move this forward, is a “spark plug”, a “community organizer” so to speak, who can develop a training manual to form and instigate a wall to wall REVOLUTION. I am sick to death of the way our constitution and its’ defenders are being railroaded into the death of our nation. I’m 78 yo. and have more “gear” than I can possibly carry and will be happy to share.
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lisalake
Feb. 22, 2013 at 1:47pmWhy would anyone want to serve our country anymore? These guys and girls get the shaft every which way…
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Excomunicatedmarine
Feb. 22, 2013 at 3:55pmThey trained to to fight tyranny…….I guess it might be time again…..God I hate it. Opps now mentally incompetent cuz I told God I get mad.
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TyrannyNoMore
Feb. 22, 2013 at 5:30pmI believe demoralization of the military is one of the main goals set forth in the communist manifesto.
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progressiveslayer
Feb. 22, 2013 at 1:43pmThe VA has been around for many years long before the fraudulent POS was installed in the oval office.
Since his infliction on us the VA all of a sudden wants to keep veterans from owning firearms? This is just a big coincidence and has nothing to do with the collectivist regime currently subverting the constitution.
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Vilgax
Feb. 22, 2013 at 1:43pmAnd the “leave America unprotected” plot thickens. Every action taken by this administration indicates a setup for an invasion. If they take away guns from the people, especially veterans, what will keep anyone from taking away your property? Your life? “Oh they wouldn’t do that. They’re just Americans like us”. Really? You still believe that?
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Excomunicatedmarine
Feb. 22, 2013 at 3:57pmTrojan Horse……….he is a muslim, remember it is ok for them to lie for allah the supposed moon god.
And who better a liar ?
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walnutportconservative
Feb. 22, 2013 at 1:42pmThis is the second time I write here of a son who received a purple heart in afghanistan, was recently told he would not be allowed to make the purchse he wanted to make. They will use the PTSD as just another way to control our people. These people need to be stopped. The problem is… this nation prefers to reach out into a horizontal or man-ward, rather than toward the heaven… Up!
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tweetybird
Feb. 22, 2013 at 1:41pmMaybe it is just me. But it seems like they are sending out a letter based on money issues….but then just throw in the blurb about firearms. The freaking government has completely gone insane. They can taste “control” and they are licking their chops to get that “power”. God have mercy on our souls.
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naughtycal
Feb. 22, 2013 at 1:40pmIf veterans go on disability for PTSD they are saying they have s serious mental health issue. So if they are to mentally disabled to hold down the responsibility of a job they are too mentally disable to the hold down the responsibility of owning a gun. We just lose a great American soldier to a soldier suffering from PTSD. That being said if later after time to reflect and talk through they problem they want to own a gun. Give them an evaluation as to determine if they are mental fit to return to work and gun ownership.
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TheMightyZeus
Feb. 22, 2013 at 2:10pmBut we’re not talking about people going on disability for PTSD. We’re talking about people who have been “determined” by VA to be incompetent to handle their finances. That shouldn’t be lumped together with prohibiting gun ownership because A: the process is incredibly vague and doesn’t seem to be disputable, and B: unable to handle finances doesn’t necessarily mean dangerous with a gun. The particularly scary part is that, because the determination process is not widely known and apparently indisputable, they can use this to simply stop people from being allowed to own guns. It’s a very abusable process.
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NoFameLost
Feb. 22, 2013 at 2:41pmNaughtycal, that is an ignorant comment in many ways. First, bringing up a situation where someone might be abusing the system is not a compelling argument for removing a Constitutional right. If this were a valid argument, then lawmakers would have introduced it on all disabled people with financial arbiters, not just veterans. This was a strategic move against a specific targeted population.
Second, the US Constitution declares that gun ownership is a right, not a responsibility, which shall not be infringed upon.
Third, “to” is not the same as “too.” Nor is “their” and “they” the same word. By the logic displayed in your post, your 1st Amendment right could be called into question, because maybe someone could complain that you ought to take an evaluation to see if you are mentally fit to exercise your right to free speech. When you declare someone, anyone, the arbiter over another person’s constitutional rights, you open the door for all of our rights to be scrutinized and infringed upon.
Finally, the VA has not released what their criteria are for incompetency. Both physical and mental disabilities are mentioned, but not defined. Potentially, a person could lose their right over a battlefield injury that prevents gainful employment but would not impact their ability to safely handle a firearm.
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objectivetruth
Feb. 22, 2013 at 2:42pmThis isn’t about the veteran saying anything.Its about the VA making the determination.Its about not having any accountability for it.There are no guidelines.In essence anyone within the VA can make any claim they wish to strip you of your right to own purchase or use a gun.There is no judical oversight.Does this really make any sense to you?This isn’t about protection of the public or the veteran.Its a blatant power grab.I could go on a diatribe at the incompetence shown and what they allowed to happen.I won’t as everyone is now seeing for themselves.By the way to all veterans this won’t just be extended to you they will find a way to extend it to your children as well.Mark my words.The EOS infiltrated the VA decades ago.Its not an accident that you have tons of foriegn docs.Its by design.They are there for this purpose as well as to hide their scams they have been commiting against the military for quite some time.
They have finally become blatant.
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The Jewish Avenger
Feb. 22, 2013 at 1:36pmThis is old news…
They’ve been trying for years and Glenn has spoken on this topic many times, many years ago regarding this very thing:
Considering any veteran that says “War was hell” as incompetent to own a firearm.
It doesnt matter what the criteria is, its a foot in the door for progressives to take away their rights. Shame really.
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