Obama Admin. Calls on Supreme Court to Strike Down Defense of Marriage Act Defining Marriage As Between a Man and Woman

AP
The Obama administration on Friday formally urged the Supreme Court to strike down the federal Defense of Marriage Act defining marriage as between a man and a woman.
In a brief filed Friday evening, Solicitor General Donald Verrilli argued that DOMA’s section three, which bars married same-sex couples from filing joint federal tax returns and other federal spousal benefits, is unconstitutional:
Section 3 of DOMA violates the fundamental constitutional guarantee of equal protection. The law denies to tens of thousands of same-sex couples who are legally married under state law an array of important federal benefits that are available to legally married opposite-sex couples. Because this discrimination cannot be justified as substantially furthering any important governmental interest, Section 3 is unconstitutional.
The Supreme Court is scheduled to hear arguments in United States v. Windsor on March 27. At issue is whether the law violates the Fifth Amendment guarantee of equal protection for legally married same-sex couples. The case surrounds Edith Windsor, who was forced to pay a federal estate tax of $363,053 upon the death of her wife, while heterosexual spouses are generally able to inherit estates tax-free.
The Obama administration’s brief comes almost exactly a year after Obama instructed the Justice Department to no longer defend DOMA’s constitutionality.
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mtsnj
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 7:47amCall it anything but Marriage. You can have equal protection just don’t lump yourselves in with Married people. I believe that Term is already defined. So you’ll need a new law to encompass whatever it is they have. Can’t believe Oboma is doing this to save anyone money. This could be a good scam by government to cash in on gay estates.
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Bohump
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 7:35amHide Your Bible,s, … Seen,s that the time is comeing When they will be Banded, .. Democrat,s Don’t want TO MUCH Light to Shine in there Dark World .
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Hausmaus
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 7:33amWhy don’t we just flush the U.S. Constitution down the toilet, and have a free for all. Isn’t this what we always wanted? No laws to stand in our ways of having just plain, and wild fun. We just want to have fun. I heard this line before, but I believe that laws stand in our ways of doing our thing. If I want to smoke pot, I should be able to do that anywhere, and everywhere I please. I should also be able to marry my sheep if I so desire. These damn laws are just in the way of me having my well entitled fun. In time I believe that people like me will change everything, and I mean everything.
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StonyBurk
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 7:17amKeatonc333 -would be entertaining if he/she/it were speaking tongue in cheek-ignorance of the Law is No excuse. American Law was strongly influenced by Blackstone-and Locke And as Justice Joseph Story/Harvard Law -Commentaries on the constitution of the United States 1833 edition -and Familiar Exposition of the Constitution 1840 when the constitution and Bill of Rights were adopted the General if not universal sentiment in America was that Christianity ought be encouraged by the Govt.The Judiciary Committee report by Mr. Badger ,19 Jan.1853 and corresponding US House Report by Mr. Meacham 27 March 1854 on the meaning of “an establishment of religion cannot be reconciled to the Myth established by the Myth established by a Ku Klux Klansman Hugo Black, A Communist symp,
Felix Frankfurter, and Court majority appointed by FDR Nor to the BS spewed by Keaton
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PlanetReality
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 7:04amMore unbalance!!! This Law like our immigration law is to create a balance within!!! what is next if the supreme court follows suit!!!!!
i guess here comes the polygamists!!!! Then who knows what after that!!!!
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streetrodder
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 6:23amWhen Obama leaves office he is going to hook back up with Larry Sinclair.
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thetrooper
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 5:16amIm curious keaton. You had the presence of mind to find out how many species of animals have same sex marriage, did you ever consider it might be natural selection? A homosexual animal doesnt reproduce does it? I also wonder, did you research the number of species who practice cannabalism, patricide, fratricide, infanticide, or how many had the capability to reason? How many species of animal will throw their feces at you? You say homosexuality is natural, what about child molesters? What about those who are attracted to animals? Just as natural, right? Theyre born that way, right? I mean, where do you draw the line? You can say that any perversity is natural, but its really not is it?
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suz
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:31am…’cause eventually, he wants to bring reggie in…to the marriage.
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betterpart
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:19amRegardless of what Obysmal does or doesn’t do—I refuse to acknowledge or accept any degenerate perversions in my life, family, or business. And nothing the lowly says or does can make me do it. End of story.
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nesmond
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:00amOur lives are short on this planet. Compared to eternity, it’s only a few moments. But the decisions we make in those few moments will determine HOW we spend that eternity. I believe the definition of marriage is a covenant between a man, a woman and God. If one of those elements is missing, you can call it whatever you want, but it is not marriage. This President is making decisions that he knows are wicked. And his decisions will determine how he will spend eternity.
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Jrocks
Posted on February 24, 2013 at 7:51pmVery well said
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christos
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:55am.The Bible says the anti +CHRIST+ is not interested in women this is the main reason they are pushing this agenda,the anti +CHRIST+ will come on the political scene in end days he will have a magnetic personality many will follow him,he/anti +CHRIST+ will trick Israel into signing a 7 year peace treaty which he/anti +CHRIST+ has no intention of keeping,the peace treaty will be broken in 31/2 years from the time of it’s signing,the anti +CHRIST+ will bring pork into the Temple & desecrate it,the anti +CHRIST+ will be able to wield power/$$$$$$,and may be wealthy himself,he/anti +CHRIST+ could be Jewish from the tribe of Dan,someone the Jewish people will trust.
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christos
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 2:12pmNo Man/Beast/Reprobate Mind can change +JESUS+GODS+ Laws,these people believe they are god,when factually they are anti +CHRIST+ man made laws do not & never have trumped +JESUS+GODS+ Laws,these people are self righteous and are not being led by the +HOLY SPIRIT+ ,,,we/believers Bow only to +JESUS+GOD+ not man.TA
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HarryPotter
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:41amSmoot:
A woman may give consent to a man, but her ****** will not. It will just be defiled and move closer to destruction.
See I can make stupid and baseless arguments, too.
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mewnani
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:37amOh BOY, now Obummer will give gay marriage to the gay peoples and he’ll have yet ANOTHER batch of followers.
For those of you that are wondering, we dislike gay marriage because we find what two gay or lesbian
persons do behind locked doors unnatural and unsettling. And it is, simply because they can’t reproduce. Try it yourself; you can’t create a child with two men or two women. You need both genders. And for those who say you’re born that way; you aren’t. You choose to be that way. No kid is born in love with the same gender. It just doesn’t work like that. I know this because a good friend of mine was formerly gay, and he described it as one part drug addiction, one part demonic possession and one part hate plague. I believe him, especially on the hate plague part because every single time they get “offended” because someone believes differently than they do they violently explode and call you bigoted and closed minded. I don’t hate people who choose that lifestyle. But that doesn’t mean I don’t find it unnatural and unholy.
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msjoe43
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:11amHomosexuals and the Death Penalty in Colonial America
On November 27,1700, … By far the most conservative of the first 13 colonies were the … made homosexuality something it was “not profitable to know,” “the
http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1061&context=englishfacpubs&sei-redir=1&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bing.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dgays%2Bin%2Bthe%2B1700s%2B13%2Bcolonies%26qs%3Dn%26form%3DQBRE%26ghc%3D0%26pq%3Dgays%2Bin%2Bthe%2B1700s%2B13%2Bcolonies%26sc%3D0-31%26sp%3D-1%26sk%3D#search=%22gays%201700s%2013%20colonies%22 PDF file
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Xylliab_of_the_Znarghh
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 5:58amSo what? They also executed suspected witches. People were jerks back then.
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msjoe43
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 1:54pmXylliab_of_the_Znarghh
History – [his-tuh-ree, his-tree] /ˈhɪstəri, ˈhɪstri/ – noun, plural his·to·ries.
1. the branch of knowledge dealing with past events.
2. a continuous, systematic narrative of past events as relating to a particular people, country, period, person, etc., usually written as a chronological account; chronicle: a history of France; a medical history of the patient.
3. the aggregate of past events.
4. the record of past events and times, especially in connection with the human race.
5. a past notable for its important, unusual, or interesting events.
6. acts, ideas, or events that will or can shape the course of the future; immediate but significant happenings.
7. a systematic account of any set of natural phenomena without particular reference to time.
8. a drama representing historical events.
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Ghandi was a Republican
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:09amIt’s already been established. Thousands of years ago. Before there was even a NAME for it.
It is the union between a man and a WOMAN – MARRIAGE.
It’s so simple cavemen figured it out. Obama can’t figure it out, so what is the fool’s malfunction?
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Diane TX
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 1:32amKeatonc333
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 12:00am
TH777 God also made all the animals on earth… yet homosexuality has been observed in over a hundred different species.. so you tell me! is homosexuality natural? hint: yes… Or is God just an A-Hole? hint: possibly
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Homosexuality is not natural. It is a perversion of nature. It means that the specie has something wrong going on in it’s brain and/or instinct. Sometimes animals just do things because they can. Is a male dog humping his male owner’s leg really practicing intra-species homosexuality, or is he doing that because it feels good?
Human homosexuals trying to prove that homosexuality is “normal and natural” because animals and other species do it, is ridiculous.
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Ghandi was a Republican
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:13amThat’s not homosexuality. That’s animals spreading diseases.
That was like saying a cat digging in it’s litter box is the same as man constructing monuments
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Zeke48
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 1:07amObama has had Mr. Sinclair bend over once or twice in Chicago, and Mr Sinclair has even stated he did publicly. So you,see we have a perv in the White House that wants to queer the entire Nation if he could. his Ovomit is the most vile disgusting slob that ever served this Nation in History.
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katiefrankie
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 1:06am“$%&^.” – Sheep everywhere.
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Beachmastermax
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 12:52amI am sure Barack can depend on Roberts to bend over for him on this.
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Beachmastermax
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 12:59amIs Roberts a Catholic?
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Beachmastermax
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 1:04amIf I already said it, then why did you not post it? The Question was…”is Roberts a Catholic?”
Post it you book burners.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 12:33amdo you really think two gay people living together should have to pay more in taxes than two heterosexual people? What is so conservative about the government taxing people more and getting more money to spend?
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Beachmastermax
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 12:53amEver hear of the marraige penalty? Start paying attention, goof ball.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 8:42amread the artile, goof ball…..$330,000 in inheritance taxes that were paid that a heterosexual couple would not have
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Jenny Lind
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 2:29pmThat means no trust was set up by a competant attorney. Joint ownership as in instead of John & John owning something it becomes John OR John, with right of survivorship. Simple term changes. Had I not had everything listed that way, I would have had a great deal of problems in changing things to my name after my husband passed away. The arguement is moot if proper preperation is made. Living wills designate who maked dicissions, wills do the rest, so do trusts set up for whoever you want. Bad planning does not constitute a problem for the whole country.
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rivertree
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 12:29amif you are not convinced this man is bent on come hell or high water on dismantling this the United States as you read this story, maybe the one this man–a private investigator turned informing journalist–will open your eyes. http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/53284
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Dr Vel
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 1:17amAll this talk of gay marriage is not what is important in this story. The important story here is the executive working to coerce the judicial into doing it’s bidding. This is not how America is supposed to function.
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revelation2012
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 1:38amfits like .a. glove,,,
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HarryPotter
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 1:41amHow does encouraging the Supreme Court to strike down a discriminatory law make Obama hell bent on dismantling this country? And how is this coercing the Judicial Branch? He is simply making his opinion known (again) and asking the court to make the right decision. If a conservative senator encouraged them to uphold DOMA, you would have no problem with that.
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revelation2012
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 1:56am‘they’ just have to keep stirring ‘it’ up ,,, drama – disasters – death – all the distractions
‘they’ have a whole lot of ‘irons in the fire’ I don’t know how all this is going to turn out
but my prayer and total belief in God the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit is that
we are loved … we will NOT be forsaken … we are NOT alone … the Spirit of Truth protects.
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moreoilplease
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 2:37amJoe and Jane homosexual do deserve equal protection under the law. If you believe in the constitution, you cannot deny same sex couples the ability to file taxes jointly etc. etc. It neither picks your pocket nor breaks your leg.
As far as marriage, they can do that now. They can call it what ever they want. “In your face marriage”, Super Marriage, I don’t care. Provide them with what they are guaranteed by the constitution, which is equal protection under the law, and they can marry and have all the civil protection the rest of us take for granted. The issue go’s away. And your pocket is neither picked nor your leg broken.
Fail to be reasonable and objective about this clear constitutional issue and you will soon find the government forcing churches to perform same sex marriages against their will. Which is what many progressives want. I’m sure we can all agree that we’re not for tearing one institution down to build another up. That leaves us all less free. Make no mistake, that is the end game. But as those who still believe in the constitution we must not toss it aside when it doesn’t suit our sensibilities.
Get government out of the marriage business and we are all more free.
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Ducky 1
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 12:25amI don’t think that this is about Obama supporting “gay” marriage but it is part of his tools to further divide this country!
It is working.
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Keatonc333
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 12:29amIts sad that allowing two people who love each other marriage is such a divisive issue.
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HarryPotter
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 1:43amKeaton:
I completely agree. Discrimination never really dies, it just changes. Some people just want to feel empowered by keeping others down.
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Zeke48
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 12:13amThis President we have is a Pervert, just like Hillary and most of his administration. The left has no morals and this country has become so vile with the querying of our military, killing infants in any trimester, and Mitt Romney was 100% right about 47% of the country on the take, except it probably much higher now. Thanks to Ovomit and his mucher wife taking vacations every month while Americans don’t have two dimes to rub together. He has put us in the poor house by begging China for 46 cents of every dollar we borrow, and he gives Egypt 200 Of the best tanks in the world, and a fleet of F16′s to the Muslim Brotherhood. we know them, there the slobs that said Jews were Pigs and should be removed from the earth. We have a Muslim in our White House and he even screws the Black folks in our country. he isn’t even loyal to them. they are suffering more than anyone and they put him back in charge. Go figure. the GOP are a bunch of cowards who have betrayed their supporters than anyone else. because of them we all eat crow. because they have no backbone and didn’t Vett this fraud our children will suffer the most. I am also ashamed of my country big time.
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wrightbobo
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 12:42pmNo free nation can prosper and survive the death of virtue and common sense.
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Leopold
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 12:53pmEach and every voter is responsible for what fills the halls in Washington.
Do not blame the person you keep putting in office.
The low approval of Congress is a reflection of the low expectation of the population.
WE vote the people into office without real demands. WE do not hold them accountable.
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Pigpen
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 1:33pmNo, LEOPOLD, “we” did not put Obama in the Whitehouse. And I will NEVER include those people who DID vote Obama into the Whitehouse in the expression “WE” ever again! So stop disparaging the people who have their eyes open. Opening your eyes (or having them opened for you) is a painful process, and people with the courage to keep their eyes open should NEVER EVER be discouraged by the mewling, fussy, misguided idealists trying to equate the vicious masses who voted on race over performance (all because they hate my WHITE @SS more than they like having a job) with me and my countrymen!
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HarryPotter
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 2:48pmMark:
Congratulations on a long and happy relationship. That is what I want someday.
Mick:
I imagine God would say that “que ear” isn’t right, as that makes no sense at all. And you can say whatever you want about gay people, you just can’t keep denying us the same rights that you have.
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HarryPotter
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 2:50pmPigpen:
Actually, the American people did vote Obama into the White House. A vote was taken, he won. He is now your president, like it or not, until you move to another country.
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brother_ed
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:11pmI am opposed to giving homosexual union the same status as heterosexual marriage because they are not the same.
I am in favor of ensuring homosexual couples have many of the same rights as heterosexuals couples, but I would like to see a list of grievances before I comment on which rights.
I am as tired of hearing of ‘equal rights’ as I am of hearing ‘fair share’; they ae too broad and appeal to emotion, not logic.
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swoods08
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:13pmI would be more inclined to believe “WE” voted Obama in except I keep hearing more and more stories of voter fraud. One woman voted up to 6 TIMES?!?!? SIX?!? Can you say voter fraud?
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godlovinmom
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:25pmHense why record number of homosexuals got out the vote for Obama….so our country can go in the toilet…as long as you get your special rights….Thank God I don’t think with my private parts…perverts is right Zeke!
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HarryPotter
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:23pmBrother:
Why are homosexual and heterosexual marriages not the same? You want to talk logic, then give me one logical reason why they are different and gays should not be afforded every right and benefit as straight people.
Swoods:
Yes, conspiracy theories abound in every election. Just ask Democrts if the 2000 election was fair. The country voted. Obama won. Get over it.
Godlovinmom:
What makes you think gay people think only with their private parts? If anything you are the one fixated on sex since you fixate so much of what gay people are doing. We are just like everyone else, our love is just as valid. And all we are asking for us equality.
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KraziDave
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 6:15pmDo you want me to change this?
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Obama_In_PeePee_By_Zee_Artist_Beck
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 8:20pm“Obama Admin. Calls on Supreme Court to Strike Down Defense of Marriage Act Defining Marriage As Between a Man and Woman”
Barack Hussein Obama … AKA Barry Obama … AKA Barry Soetoro …
… a poor half-breed, muslim bastard from Kenya sneaks into the great United States Of America, goes to a prestigious law school, runs for offices, becomes a White House “occupier” … all with a Kenyan birth certificate …
http://i3.ytimg.com/bg/jKZugo0aaREqEyqXIzGDVw/102.jpg
… a Connecticut social security number …
[RE: 042-68-4425 Connecticut issued SS number that was assigned to a person now deceased]
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/11/note-to-rep-darrell-issa-please.html
… and an army of lawyers keeping all his records sealed.
Just wanted to let you know how much weight Americans should give this man … none.
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El Pistoffo
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 9:30pmHARRYPOTTER
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:23pm
Brother:
Why are homosexual and heterosexual marriages not the same? You want to talk logic, then give me one logical reason why they are different
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Because penis’ go into vaginas and babies comes out. That’s is how they are intended to be used. The other scenarios are a misuse and lack the result to ensure the survival of human species. Quite simple logic.
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brother_ed
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 11:57pm@HARRY
Really? You want me to explain why their not the same?
I am asking for a list of grievances in order to start a constructive discussion.
I do not condemn homosexuals, nor do I wish to see them treated unfairly.
Tell me what your problems are, and let’s see if we can come up with any solutions.
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HarryPotter
Posted on February 24, 2013 at 1:51amBrother:
http://www.hrc.org/resources/entry/an-overview-of-federal-rights-and-protections-granted-to-married-couples
Here is a list of 1,138 benefits afforded to straight couple that are not afforded to gay couples.
http://www.policymic.com/articles/11738/5-people-who-were-fired-for-being-gay-and-the-29-states-where-that-is-still-legal
Here are just 5 people who have been fired for being gay. There are many more, and this is still completely legal.
It is not just about marriage, it is about equal rights. We are not asking for anything special, we are only asking for the rights and benefits you already get.
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FOREIGNANDDOMESTIC
Posted on February 24, 2013 at 2:35amHARRYPOTTER
clearly the penis was intended to fit into the anus
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Stop with your stupid lies, Harry. Maybe your tiny **** is an exception to the rule, but any doctor can easily refute that, regardless of his personal stance on homosexuality.
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bennyboy1978
Posted on February 24, 2013 at 2:39amThere is no such thing as gay couples. Sorry to burst your bubble HARRYBALLSPOTTER
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HarryPotter
Posted on February 24, 2013 at 2:47amBenny:
Not sure why you keep putting balls in there, but whatever. And for the record, I am a man dating another man. That makes us a gay couple by definition.
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brother_ed
Posted on February 24, 2013 at 9:28am@HARRY
I did not see 1,100+ laws, but regarding some of the ones I did see…
Sococial Security Benefits -
The government should not be involved in retirement savings programs, so I would eliminate the program for ALL people.
Retirement, disability and medical insurances are the responsibility of the individual.
Taxation -
The government should get out of the marriage business. If it wants to incentivize people to raise children, it can do so by providing tax breaks.
The tax break can be tiered to accommodate different styles; with the most effective style getting the biggest tax break and the least effective getting the smallest break and may even have to pay an extra tax to disincentivize this choice.
For example, a child raised by a heterosexual couple is more likely to become a productive child in society – they would get the highest break. Children of single parents tend to be the least productive, and the parents (both) may have to pay a tax.
Firing people -
I believe any employer had the right to fire anyone at anytime for any reason…it’s their business and no one is born with the right to be employed.
I hope we can find agreence on some of these points, and I would be curious to see what others think.
As I have said before – I am tired of the blanket ‘equal rights’ argument – mainly because they are not equal situations, but also because it is not specific – and it appeals to emotion, not reason.
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en2deep
Posted on February 24, 2013 at 9:57amHARRY POTTER, every free adult male in the US has the same right. The right to marry an adult female. We don’t have extra rights, we all have equal rights. If you choose not to utilize that right don’t complain about it.
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turkey13
Posted on February 24, 2013 at 10:08amThe USA is about to become a 3RD world country where we go to a barter system because it will take a pickup truck load of money to buy a loaf of bread. The only thing that will buy a loaf is gold, silver, ammo & guns. If you have seeds or a garden with produce that will work also. All this and Obama is just worrying about Q_ueers & L_izzies getting married. The 6 $$$ trillion he has added to the national debt is chump change to him.
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El Pistoffo
Posted on February 24, 2013 at 10:18amHARRYPOTTER
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 10:04pm
El pistoffo:
First of all, I said marriage, not sex. But I disagree, clearly the penis was intended to fit into the anus, this allows anyone, male or female to enjoy it. And there is no worry about accidental pregnancy which would eventually overpopulate the earth, and lead to the fall of civilization.
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Are you out of your mind? The anus’ sole purpose is to excrete solid waste. Nothing else. A medical Doctor could confirm that. Also, STD’s transmit far more easily through anal sex. Many people use it that way and it’s their business but it doesn’t change that fact that it’s not for that use. Pregnancy can be easily avoided through many means by responsible individuals. I wouldn’t promote anal sex as a birth control method and neither do Medical Doctors.
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texastaximan
Posted on February 24, 2013 at 11:38amIm sure they will honor his wishes, as John Roberts has already proven himself to be Obammy’s b**ch.
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jblaze
Posted on February 24, 2013 at 11:54amThink about it! WHAT would make a man sexually attracted to other males (or a women to other women)? 1) Biologically only a male and female can reproduce and create a child. 2) Only a male can be a Father and only a Female can be a mother (pretenders don’t count); 3) The reproduction organ of a male can only naturally impregnate a female by….you know the rest of the story;
So the main purpose of sex is reproduction, but our creator made us so we could have pleasure during this process. The act when done the way our creator ordained it…two becoming one through marriage then sex; creating a family, husband and wife then creating a child if so blessed and becoming Father and Mother.
What part of the aforementioned would totally be unnatural if brought into the equation?
Gays on the other hand want it this way. A male (or female) sexually attacked to another male (female same) in the case of males they get together trying to duplicate the male-female role but cannot so they find another place to put it that they feel represents a female! Now the female gays have to use a object of some sort to mimic the male role. Etc., etc., etc.,
Does anyone else see the fallacy in this. To me it is a plain and simply mental perversion going on in someone head.
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woemcat
Posted on February 24, 2013 at 12:25pmwell put. “perverted” is a spot-on description of obama and his minions. we are living in such perverted times, and not just sexual perversion, but perversion of the Constitution (ex—all the attacks on the 2nd amendment, done in the name of “gun control” and safety). we live in a time where relative morality is king and it really ****** me off.
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HarryPotter
Posted on February 24, 2013 at 3:29pmBrother:
You make some very good arguments. Most of what you are saying stems from the idea of the government completely removing itself from marriage. As I have said, that would be completely fine with me, then we would all be equal. But we both know that isn’t going to happen. The 1,138 laws and benefits I believe mostly relate to taxes and insurance, etc that married couples get, but gay couples cannot get because they cannot get married. Again, if you removed federal recognition of marriage, that would fix the problem, you are correct. But since that will never happen, the only way to make everyone equal is to give the same rights and benefits by allowing gays to marry. Civil Unions do not offer the same benefits, and they are not even currently recognized at the national level or across state lines. For insurance, this is the responsibility of the individual, but if you are offering benefits to one couple and not another, then there is a problem. Again, this is all solved by the government out of marriage, or legalizing gay marriage. In raising children, I would say that it is most beneficial to be raised in a stable environment with two parents. But gender should not be the issue here.
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HarryPotter
Posted on February 24, 2013 at 3:35pmContinued:
The firing case stems from the Civil Rights movement of the 60′s. With whites only restaurants and water fountains, and back of the bus nonsense. The problem was so centered in society, that black people could not just take their business elsewhere, or find a better job, because the entire southern half of the US discriminated against them. This is why we have laws that prohibit people from baring service to others based on race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. You could argue that these laws are no longer needed, and I would agree mostly. But as long as they are in place, and one group has protections, whether they be African Americans, Christians, gays, whoever, you cannot deny the same protections to other groups.
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HarryPotter
Posted on February 24, 2013 at 3:50pmEn2deep:
If you truly believe that is equality, then why not only let same-sex couples get married? Then everyone would have the same rights.
El pistoffo:
Yes, many diseases are more easily transmitted through the lining of the anus, which is thinner. But all the same diseases can be transmitted through a woman’s front hole as well. Besides, you can use the same methods to prevent disease transmission as you to do prevent pregnancy. Many people may use the front hole for sex, but that doesn’t change the fact that its primary purpose is to push out babies. (Any argument you make against gay sex, I can make about straight sex. If you are straight, that’s fine, but don’t go acting like your acts are any different or better than ours.)
jblaze:
Please read my earlier comments, and you will see why you are wrong here. Besides, gays are not seeking to mimic straight roles in sex, we are seeking to form a physical bond with our partner. I am a man attracted to men. No misconceptions about women here.
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brother_ed
Posted on February 24, 2013 at 8:19pm@HARRY
Your points are very valid.
The good news is – it looks like we have agreement on several issues…I’m sure together we can figure out a solution.
Have a great week…I’m sure we’ll run into each other again.
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USA-Ron
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 12:05amsame sex activity, eeeeewww
which they do not speak of,
is NOT acceptable …………..
there is NO family with same-sex gays
God did NOT create 2 men to reproduce in the earth
God created a man and a woman,
if you think or believe different,
then you do not believe in God
Repent, Jesus is coming soon
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Keatonc333
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 12:09amThese posts prove my point! Its a God thing! and God has no place in law making..“Congress Shall Make No Law Respecting an Establishment of Religion” 1st amendment! don’t like it? move to a country with less liberty.
For my Liberty!
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 12:39am@ Keatonc333 My, you talk SO much, with very little to say.
1: A Marriage between a man and a woman has been in existence for thousands of years…Do you even know WHY?
2: Congress did NOT create any Law Respecting an Establishment of Religion” …Do you UNDERSTAND that STATEMENT?? HONESTLY?? It also does NOT CONFLICT with the FACT that America was BUILT as a CHRISTIAN NATION…(WHICH by the way is NOT a “religion”)
3:Being a homosexual is MORE a choice in TODAY’S world than “natural”….Of course there are sometimes “FREAKS of Nature”, but for decades, Gays have tried their BEST to indoctrinate people into not only believing that their way of life is all good, but joining in their perverted lifestyle– when in FACT it is NOT natural, It IS against EVERY LAW of NATURE.
4:You can preach the bible all you want, but IF you are at ALL “religious”, or believe in God, you KNOW in your very soul that it has been damned to HELL if you live like that.
5: You are WRONG, “Most people” do NOT agree that the LGBT lifestyle is OK. SURE, schools have started telling children that it is, but that is BRAINWASHING people that do NOT fully understand the difference between RIGHT and WRONG. What MOST people believe is that IF you want to live like that…DO IT BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, but STOP SHOVING IT IN OUR FACES, & STOP trying to TEACH OUR CHILDREN that it is “good”..Marriage is a SACRED act people like you, are trying to PERVERT. LYING, SKEWED polls, & calling “Bigot
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Keatonc333
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 12:50amfor my liberty… “Marriage” – not to be confused with “Holy Matrimony” – is a legal contract requiring a license issued by the state. As such, it is inherently unconstitutional to deny same-sex couples the right to enter into such a contract that is afforded every other consenting couple of legal age.
also as I have said earlier.. homosexuality is demonstrated in over 1,500 species on earth. Species that A. have no agenda and B. are the very definition of natural.. and finally if christianity is not a religion why are churches tax exempt? saying christianity is not a religion is absolutely RIDICULOUS! and finally if one does not believe in God why should they have to abide by his laws?
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revelation2012
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 2:09amthere is nothing to discuss with .a. REPROBATE mind,,,
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HarryPotter
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:23amLiberty:
1. Marriage has been in constant change for thousands of years, this is just a continuation of the change. At one time marriage was a middle-aged man purchasing a teenage girl from her parents. Now marriage is considered to be a union of two equals.
2. The Constitution guarantees your right to practice whatever religion you wish (and yes, Christianity is a religion). However, the government cannot force the population to observe one religion or sanction one religion over another.
3. Homosexuality is definitely not a choice, and you cannot turn a straight person gay. If you truly think being gay is a choice, then I challenge you to be gay for a day. I don’t mean have sex, just decide to be attracted to the same gender as yourself. And how is homosexuality against the laws of nature? Homosexuality has been around as long as humanity, other animals exhibit homosexual traits, and everything “fits” just as nicely as straight sex. Seems pretty natural to me.
4. Actually, the Bible does not seem to preach that, and anyone who really understands the Bible will recognize that the message of the Bible is love and acceptance. If gays are damned, then so are shellfish eaters.
5. You can argue the polls all you want, but several independent, reliable polls have found that a little over half of Americans support gay marriage. And we will stop shoving our gayness down your throats when you stop shoving your straightness down our throats.
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ICSPADES
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 7:10amPlease do not worry with Keaton. He just wants this to pass so he will be one step closer to getting bestiality legalized. He is sick like that.
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nonwinger
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 7:12am@Keaton it doesn’t matter how many times you libs say it or how much you want to believe it but arguing against same sex behavior based on one’s belief in God does not establish any religion. Many religions exist that condemn the behavior and many people who are not adherents of a specific religion feel the same. None of them are ‘state’ religions nor do they want to be. This behavior (like many others currently in vogue) are against the laws of nature. Quit misusing the establishment clause to argue against those who oppose legalization of aberrant behavior; you’ve got no case.
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old white guy
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 7:24amobama was “for it” before he was “against it”. what a desembling pack of ***** obama is.
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The-Monk
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 7:35amThis is pretty simple;
Mankind has a tendency to destroy itself. Basically, the individual is good but, the group becomes a mob. Progressives have a tendency to destroy Mankind faster than the rest. This includes destroying culture and basic dignity.
Mankind all over the World is killing itself. This issue is just another part of that tendency.
I, for one, can’t wait to go Home.
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king-daddy
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 8:07amI am dissapointed that the REAL issues here are not “common discussion points”. 1) “marriage” already is defined, legally, civilly and morally. Leave the word alone! Get a new word that is appropriate!
2) It is about taxes and deductions, nothing else! Progressives find it much easer to “change the language” than to change the Tax laws.
With the way congress responds to special interest money, I would think that be the more useful strategy rather than redefine the dictionary.
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The-Monk
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 8:10amTechnology is speeding this along at a more advanced pace.
I’m going to write up (part of) my theory and post it here.
I just discussed part of this with a “high up” official of OWS and just blew him away. He was extremely happy with our dialog. You might be also but it’s hard to dialog in a blog post.
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John WIS.
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 9:09am@keatonc333
Where do you think the laws of theft, adultery, murder, child molestation, etc. come from?
Do you think man just pulled them out of his @ss?
They all come from God. And men who believe in God, have upheld them throughout history.
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Sparky101
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 9:55amKeaton, you lie: “.. homosexuality is demonstrated in over 1,500 species on earth.”
Well, okay, maybe you are just ignorant of facts and are simply spreading such misinformation believing it to be true.
Oblamers complaint to the Supreme Court is vapid. DOMA recognizes that marriage is between a man and a woman. There can be no “marriage” between people of the same sex, unless you re-define marriage. Then again, you can redefine anything to fit your purposes or opinions. Like I just redefined “anus.” It is now synonomous with “Keatonc333,” and I’m sure the regulars on The Blaze will agree. But this does not change what an “anus” actually is, it just plants a picture in the minds of those who see your name.
And Oblamer’s complaint is vapid because DOMA specifically says you cannot apply the term “marriage” to any relationship except one between a man and a woman. All others need not apply.
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SamIamTwo
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 11:28amYou miscreation without correct procreation.
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muffythetuffy
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 11:34amTHE DESPICABLE AND DISGRACED JOHN ROBERTS US SUPREME COURT WILL STRIKE DOWN THE DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT
American now has its very own Nazi style Nuremberg Court that only defends the Government and takes up the sword against our people. When Obama wants to round up people for shipment to FEMA camps, this Court will approve it because they approved it in the 1940s against the unarmed Japanese-Americans. Only guns protect us from death camps and the tyranny of the American Government Troika.
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muffythetuffy
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 11:37amDO YOU STILL THINK SECESSION IS A BAD IDEA?
Democrats want us to stand and fight, they think they can win a war against the American people.
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teriAngel
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 12:07pmso funny KEATONC333 as God is THE original Lawgiver…remember those? The 10 Commandments…not the 10 suggestions if you want….
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wrightbobo
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 12:30pmAmen! Most adult humans know what their body cavities and sex organs are designed for. Only early child abuse, misuse, experimentation and acceptance will cause such sexual disorientation.
Government should not be in the business of issuing marriage licenses, not even contracts.
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HarryPotter
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 12:34pmNowinger:
It doesn’t matter if multiple religions condemn homosexuality, if you are judging them based on YOUR religion (the Bible), then that has no place in any law or in government. There are also religions tat accept homosexuality. If you don’t like homosexuality, that’s fine. But you cannot legislate based on what you believe or what you just don’t like.
King:
Yes, marriage has been between a man and a woman for a long time, but the word has been constantly changing, this is just the continuation of that change. There was a time when marriage was a middle aged man purchasing a teenage girl from her parents. This is not longer the case. Today marriage is between 2 equals. And yes, this is about the rights and benefits that you are afforded but gay people are not. In 21 states, civil unions are currently banned, where they are allowed, they are not afforded the same benefits as marriage. We are seeking equality.
John:
Those laws stem from the fact that someone is being harmed in each of those cases. Who is being harmed by a loving couple being together or getting married?
Sparky:
There are many definitions of marriage, what it means to you is not necessarily what it means to others Also, the term marriage has been constantly changing, this is just continuing that change, see my post above. To over half of Americans, marriage can certainly be between 2 men or 2 women.
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HarryPotter
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 12:40pmSamian:
What makes you think gay people cannot have children. I know plenty of gay couples with kids. They can use sperm donors, surrogate mothers, or even adopt. Sex is no longer needed for procreation.
Teriangel:
Yes, I do remember the 10 commandments, but I don’t remember anything about homosexuality in there. However, it does mention adultery (so no more divorce and remarriage), lying (no telling the kids Santa exists), and keeping the Sabbath holy (no mowing the lawn on Sundays).
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HarryPotter
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 12:48pmWright:
You are right, it is instinct. Straight men have a desire to stick their male parts in female holes, and gay men have a desire to stick their male parts in male holes. Each one is a proper use of the holes and appendages. But no, it is when young people are misled and told that being gay is somehow wrong, and they are too ashamed to accept themselves that people wind up confused about their sexual orientation. Young people need to be told that some people are gay, some people are straight, and there is nothing wrong with either one.
And that solution about marriage is fine with me, then you don’t have any more rights or benefits than I do, and I can still get married in a church.
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MarkT4sure
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 12:54pmSo many haters!!! So, you must believe an infallable God, made a mistake in creating humans who have an attraction to their own sex? Well, I am not a mistake and neither is the man I have commited 27 years to. We attend church, we tithe and we celebrate our loving commitment. Sex is certainly not the reason for our long term commitment. We observe the same vows taken by hetero couples, for better for worse, for richer or poorer, in sickness and in health til death do us part. My track record is definetly better than half of the same sex couples who swear their love before God and then head to divorce court. Notonly did they lie to God, they break up families and disillusion their children. As for no children, tell that to my adopted son who was saved from a life with no father at home and an abusive mother. And by the way, he serves honorably in the US army as a military inteligence officer. I have been the caregiver for my “husband” for 8 years after he suffered a debilitating brain tumor. Tr walking in my shoes for one day. You coud not!!! All I want is for my spouse to receive my socila security benefit should I pass before him. Call it what u want or do not want. My relationship with God and my spouse are just as favored in the eyes of God as a stright couple. Judge not lest ye be judged and all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. In accepting Jesus Christ as my personal savior, gives me equal footing on entering the kingdom of God.
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The Big Mick
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 1:30pmThe Observant Student will note that KeyHole omits “or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”.
What Keyhole and his fellow member ingesters REALLY want is to USE the Imprimatur and Power of the State to SILENCE All Christian (they are strangely silent on the RagaMuzzies) Voices who would dare say “God says Que Ear ain’t RIGHT!”
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Eddie Estes
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:58pmEven leaving God out of it homosexual marriage is a farce. The whole concept is a farce and a perversion of nature. I do give homosexuals credit for this. They have successfully brainwashed a weak minded public into accepting this. There is no proof anyone is born homosexual and no amount of trendy wannabe stars getting their names into the spotlight with it will change that.
Spare me the whole animals do it so we should buy into this. I don’t base my morality on animals. Homosexual “marriage” is a farce and a cheap knock off copy of the real thing. Just as costume jewelry are not the real thing.
Homosexuals do get credit for a great PR campaign though.
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Eddie Estes
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:12pmPretty soon the bestiality and pedophilia people will be getting the same PR people and websites teaching them talking points to defend their perversions as well.
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Eddie Estes
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:25pmHere is the scripted lexicon homosexuals use to attack the messenger:
homophobe, hate fileld, wrong headed, mean spirited, bigoted, bible thumper, right wing whacko, Nazi, klan member, religious fundamentalist, Reagan lover, Helms lover, Limbaugh lover (insert your hated conservative here), preacher, intolerant, etc.
The next tactic is to use what homosexual call “camp”. As an example, when attempting to deny that there is a homosxual agenda, rather then suporrted retorts, you will see this “I lost my copy of the gay agenda, can you make a copy for me?”
The next tactic is to accuse anyone who does not buy into the agenda of being a homosexual themselves.
IT IS ALL SCRIPTED.
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damnedifwedont
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 6:30pmJesus can’t come soon enough for me!
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FOREIGNANDDOMESTIC
Posted on February 24, 2013 at 2:03am@HARRYPOTTER
Straight men have a desire to stick their male parts in female holes, and gay men have a desire to stick their male parts in male holes. Each one is a proper use of the holes and appendages.
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Hell no. The rectum stores poop. It is highly infectious. It’s proper use is to pass waste material out of the body. Also, the anal sphincter automatically contracts when penetration is attempted, because it is made for evacuation, not penetration. The lining of the rectum tears easily upon penetration. I could go on and on.
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FOREIGNANDDOMESTIC
Posted on February 24, 2013 at 2:29am@MARKT4SURE
You can pray the prayer of salvation, but if you do not REPENT of your sinful ways, it won’t give you access to the kingdom of God. It gives you religion, which is what you and your partner have. You are deceived. There are no practicing homosexuals in heaven. It is a perversion of God’s sexual paradigm. (Rom. 1:25-27)
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Eddie Estes
Posted on February 24, 2013 at 4:12amNo he won.
Yeah part of the womans sexual organs is to push out a baby. But she would have no baby to push out if not for normal sexual intercourse. I guess being homosexual means having little common sense or knowledge of normal sexual relations. The things you have to explain to some people.
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Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on February 24, 2013 at 7:27amWho here has a FEDERAL Marriage License? It is not the Fed’s business.
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YOURSENSEI
Posted on February 24, 2013 at 11:08amMr or Ms THE MONK,
This is what you must know:
A “high up official of OWS” huh? Really? But there aren’t any. You know, just like the Tea Party. No matter.
So, you got your mitts on a theory do ya? Wonderful. Just super. And you’re gonna write it up too? Marvelous. I’m trembling with anticipation. Lots of down time on the graveyard shift, so it shouldn’t take long for you to craft your scholarship.
I look forward to tearing it to shreds. You’ve been warned, poseur.
It is so.
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Sparky101
Posted on February 24, 2013 at 11:47amNo Harry, the definition of marriage has not been constantly changing. It had remained the same from its inception until some people clammored for acceptance about 10 years ago. DOMA restates the obvious, the definition of marriage involves a man and a woman.
It’s kind of like Pluto. For 80 years it had been one of nine “planets” to circle our Sun. By a new definition, Pluto is not a planet. This was a scientific necessity though, not a random whine. Whatever the definition of “planet,” Pluto remains what it has always been, and has not changed.
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emberlyawake
Posted on February 25, 2013 at 2:54amI am a Christian. I read the bible and try to truly seek. My hands are full with dealing with my own sins so I try not to judge. Homosexuality is mentioned along side other sins, even lying. We may not all be homosexuals but everyone has lied, everyone has most likely had and entertained a lustful thought. I wish my Christian brothers and sister would acknowledge that. We each make our own choices and deal with our own consequences.
Having said that, the bible also says that it’s not only those who commit the sin, but those who approe of it as well. So I won’t support a law that approves of what God has said is sin, no matter what issues that may be addressing. But again, that is MY choice.
Christian brothers/sisters: I know for a fact that if Jesus were here on this blog He would be saying “those without sin, cast the first stone”. So the name calling and venom traded here does nothing but show your lack of love, and misrepresentation of Christ. Shame on you! Time to check the plank in your eye.
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Keatonc333
Posted on February 22, 2013 at 11:57pmYou see.. the fact that you base your world view on a book that is as ridiculous as animal farm is why I find it so hard to have reasonable decisions with you.. also. If you have any Idea how your body works your brain tells you hand what to do.. you decide to consent to putting your hand on a stove and your brain does just that.. its biology… an otherwise inanimate object has no consent.. You were home schooled weren’t you?
I foresee a time when Biblical definitions are no longer used to make laws that effect everyone in a country with freedom of religion.
“Congress Shall Make No Law Respecting an Establishment of Religion” until you all support Gay marriage the whole “shall not be infringed” thing makes you look like hypocrites.
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wrightbobo
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 12:57pmBiblical definitions and free speech were not allowed in ancient Rome, Babylon, Hitler’s Germany or Mao’s regime in China to name only a few. Is that what you prefer?
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steveh931
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 2:15pmIt reads,
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Meaning, the daily lives of the citizens of the United States, and their beliefs are their own, leave the people alone. The Central Government was never intended to be a part of our daily lives, or write laws for us to live by, I don’t have a King or want a bureaucratic despotism controlling my life. The citizens of the United States have almost destroyed the Republic for which it stands, out of their own ignorance.
If you’re gay, an Atheist, Christian/Catholic, Muslim, Buddhist, Jew, Daoist, Mormon, Satanist, Scientologist, Amish, Sikh, Zoroastrianist, or any other religion who cares?
Unfortunately, this bureaucratic despotism which it appears you so dearly love, has infringed on our daily lives over many decades, and have indebted all of the citizens to foreign countries.
Requiring homosexuality to be recognized is nothing more than another infringement into our daily lives.
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Pontiaku
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:31pmWhy gays want to be bound by an archaic marriage contract is beyond me.
Develop something better and exclude heterosexuals from it.
Problem solved.
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