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Why Is Libertarian Glenn Beck Using ‘Nazis’ & ‘Fascist’ to Describe Some Other Libertarians?

Feb. 22, 2013 3:42pm Becket Adams

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Glenn Beck on Friday excoriated so-called Libertarians who refuse to accept outsiders on the grounds that their political ideologies don’t match up 100 percent.

“You Libertarians, you’re Nazis! The fascist Libertarians — you have to agree with absolutely everything!” Beck, who has identified himself as a Libertarian in the past, said.

Beck is, of course, referring to Libertarians who have openly stated that they hate him because he has in the past disagreed with former Texas Congressman Ron Paul.

“You are more fascist than anybody in the Republican Party because you are — if you don’t walk in step exactly with you, you’re not welcome,” he added.

Beck’s comments were prompted by conservative authoress Ann Coulter last night telling noted Libertarian John Stossel that “people think Libertarians are pu**ies” because they avoid the big issues and instead focus on things like legalizing pot.

She explained:

We’re living in a country that is 70-percent socialist, the government takes 60 percent of your money. They are taking care of your health care, of your pensions. They’re telling you who you can hire, what the regulations will be. And you want to suck up to your little liberal friends and say, “Oh, but we want to legalize pot.”

“You know,” she added, “if you’re a little more manly you would tell them what your position on employment discrimination is. How about that? But it’s always ‘We want to legalize pot.’”

Beck was not entirely convinced with Coulter’s claim that Libertarians are merely trying to impress liberals but he did take issue with those who turn away outsiders over “purity” issues.

“I believe in the power of the individual to choose, and I don’t have to agree with you on everything,” said Beck.

“This guy wrote, and said if Glenn Beck wants to join our club — meaning Libertarianism — then he has to come and atone for his past transgressions, and I thought, ‘Is that you grand inquisitor?’ What is this, the Spanish Inquisition? You’re more Fascist than some of the Fascists that I’ve seen. And the same thing with many of the hard core Ron Paul supporters. You are supposed to have a brain of your own, and you’re not supposed to be about an individual. I mean Libertarianism is about a set of ideas: maximum freedom. Not about a person.”

After explaining that he’s still in the process of learning, he later offered some advice:

Whatever sins I have, do you not want somebody who says, ‘I’m trying to honestly learn’? My opinions have changed. Were you born a Libertarian? Are you a gnostic? You were born knowing? Because I wasn’t. There’s a lot of things that I’ve changed in my life. And anybody who says they’re not changing, they’re not evolving, is a liar. Or they’re just perfect.

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I’m sorry that you guys are just so special that you’ve just been on this since birth! You were born with a Ron Paul pin on your body. I’m sorry that you are so brilliant, that you’ve always known, and never have made any error at all.

If that’s the way you want to be, you’re going to get 1 percent.

And what you’ll be doing in four years is you will be bitching that nobody will put your candidate up on stage. And you will lose everybody that you could have gotten into your boat. You will lose them all to somebody like Chris Christie…

I mean, who [will the Democrats] run next? Mao? Who do we run next on the Democrat Party? Che? Oh, geez, Chris Christie or Che?

“If that’s the only choice, I’m going to go with the Chris Christie again,” Beck said. “What do you say, right now, you put your sanctimonious, holier-than-thou, ‘See? I was right since I was two!’ … and when somebody wakes up you say, ‘Brother, we’ve been waiting for you.’”

“Rand Paul is your best shot,” Beck added. “Rand Paul could win!”

He continued, lambasting self-proclaimed Libertarians who shun those who don’t agree with them on every issue:

I believe in liberty. Now I hire some Republicans. I hire some crazy Libertarians as well. And that’s the spectrum that we’re playing in. No other media source will do that. We try our damnedest to get the biggest amount of people that believe in the Constitution, from the very edge — not into anarchy — from the very edge of the Libertarian Party, this is what we will cover, to the edge of the Republican Party.

And somewhere in there, is your winning formula. … but you have to understand that the people have to be taught. But every time somebody wants to be taught, you want to rub our noses in it. You have a media organization that is trying to! Tell me, was Fox there? Was CNN there? Was MSNBC there? Was anybody there? Nope! We were there. We tried. We tried to go in, we tried to understand, we tried to learn, [and] we tried to make some friends. And what did you do? Piss all over us!

Do you think anybody who doesn’t really believe it is going to help? We believe it! So we’ll be back. And we’ll be back at all of the conventions, and we’ll report and we will try to learn, and we will try to continue to hire people. Because we believe it! Because we haven’t had some litmus test administered by somebody who has declared himself king, we get pissed on.

He concluded by arguing that there are enough similarities between the two camps Coulter and Stossel discussed last night for them to put aside arguments over “ideological purity” and unite to defeat the left.

“What do you say we unite on the Bill of Rights?” he asked.

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Comments (572)

stopprintn
Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:20pm
Trere is only one fix that I can think of. The Conservative branch of Congress must leave the Republican Party. It’s time for a mutiny of sorts. The new party would have 60-100 seats w/feet in the door. The Tea Party would back them and so would a whole lot of independents and frustraited republicans. If it started now more seats would be gained in 2014. I,ll leave a name for such party for someone smarter than I.

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:28pm
  @stopprintn
  You are exactly right. We need to reform the election laws because this two-party system will never work….The conservatives will never be in control of republican party and neither will libertarian. We need to split the republican party into 3 parts without sacrificing elections. Here is how…..
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law
  
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- 13th Imam
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:03pm
  Libertarian Math
  Split the R’s into 3 pieces.
  
  Then try to beat the DEMOCRATS, with 1 or 2 of those pieces with their panties in a bunch stayin home.
  
  Duh.
  
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- Al J Zira
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:09pm
  You’re right! There are two lines of thought right now: conservative and progressive. That’s it, that’s the line. If you want to declare yourself a conservative and leave the republican party, join us! If you’re a progressive republican then admit it and go to the dark side.
  
  I’m sure this would turn into one giant progressive party and a small conservative party. But it’s time something happened.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:10pm
  democrats would also split into many pieces
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:10pm
  to stoprintin and soysauce….Ya’ll are jist workin in a vacuum and playin’ in a game you got no real understandin’ of. This whole thing is a SPIRITUAL problem, and changing horses in the middle of a dream jist wets everyone. Jist cover yer own butts, like always and let the sheriff decide on which way to go. Y’ know, he is personal friends with the govner, and has a lot o’ rich widows contributin’ yo his campaign. So ya’ll jest be better off not knowin whuts goin on. There’s a lot o’ danger down where y’all are headed, and we cain’t be chasin’ round watchin’ out fer you. Jist sayin’.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:11pm
  but it wouldnt matter how many pieces there are because the individual parts would be greater than the whole….Since each part would be rallying their base it would maximize turnout
  
  13th, read the article instead of criticizing it
  
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- imperative
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:12pm
  Glenn seems to know that he can’t win the argument against libertarian philosophy, so he’s trying desperately to change its meaning.
  
  Funny that he’s criticizing a group for not being accepting of others, yet he’s the one labelling those with whom he disagrees as Nazis and Fascists.
  
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- blissdesignz
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:35pm
  Check out this fantastic article concerning just that…
  http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2013/02/20/as-country-club-republicans-link-up-with-the-democratic-ruling-class-millions-of-voters-are-orphaned/
  
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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:35pm
  The Libertarian war cry: “Everybody’s a commie except me!”
  
  I wish a Libertarian would explain what Social laws are acceptable to them and who decides that? Is selling drugs acceptable? How about selling them to minors and if not, why?
  
  The problem is they do NOT want to travel to the inevitable end of that road which leads to “Thus saith the Lord”. If laws are not built upon that, then they are subjective and are based on majority opinion. Then you are faced with the fact that slavery was a majority opinion at one time. They have no absolutes. It is folly.
  
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- imperative
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:45pm
  @SquidVetOhio
  
  Then why does Beck want so badly to be identified as a libertarian?
  
  Is that why he’s the one calling people Nazis and Fascists, so that he can more closely identify with the libertarians you describe?
  
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- mickgringo
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:46pm
  Here’s your “name”… “Conservatarian”. I’ve been describing myself as such for years when having to confront friends and colleagues of a progressive bent that didnt seem to understand why many of us stopped identifying ourselves as “Republican” years ago……
  
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- jcldwl
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 6:25pm
  First thing to do is make sure no candidates are skull and bones or a mason. If they are either then they have the same motives as Obama. One world order and they worship satan. I doubt we get any candidates that aren’t one of those.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 6:43pm
  SQUIdVET….You just expressed a valid point, and I agree 100%….This culture is ready for captivity, not liberty. If your kids run amok and endanger themselves doing”kid things…you would by necessity have to reign them in, to protect them….That is my view of ‘libertarianism. There may be responsible libertarians who could handle this type of freedom, but I would say they would be in the minority.
  “Wilding” is a form of’ liberty,, is it not?
  Its a matter of morality, and humans can’t survive that kind of licentiousness. Too many callous, selfish and vain people out there.
  What libertarians should do, is get real petulant and just refuse to participate, like they did in the last election.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 6:51pm
  I don’t think beck wants to identify with any one but himself. He knows who and where he is. He is nothing, if not logical and temperate. And that is where libertarians fail.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 7:11pm
  MAX.. Beck was an Egalitarian that became a Constitutional Theocrat and mistook it for Libertarianism.
  
  It took him years to get there.
  
  He’s slowly becoming a true Libertarian because that’s the truth ALL introspective humans eventually admit…. because those are the rights bestowed upon us by our creator. I know you know it, too.
  
  Converting heretics is a noble cause, indeed.
  
  It is not an AMERICAN cause, however.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 7:16pm
  @SquidVet wrote.. “I wish a Libertarian would explain what Social laws are acceptable to them and who decides that? Is selling drugs acceptable? How about selling them to minors and if not, why?”
  
  NO social laws are acceptable at the federal level especially without a Constitutional amendment. The federal government’s sole purpose to protect our right and liberty, provide defense for the country and secure our borders. In other words it’s “LIMITED” and for a good reason. It’s up to the state and local governments to decide what social laws best represent the will of their citizens as per the 10th amendment. It’s the right to self-determination. Why do you progressives feel the need to federalize EVERYTHING?
  
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- DRSAVAGE24
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 7:23pm
  As a Ron Paul supporter and libertarian leaning Republican, I find it amusing that Beck calls us Nazis and Fascists. He either has no clue about us or he is deliberately misrepresenting us. I meet with liberty people on a regular basis. We organize, become delegates at our caucuses and conventions, and we are allies, but some of my most passionate debates and disagreements are with other liberty people. Usually it’s over something like abortion. I am strongly pro-life, but there are some who are pro-choice. How do we reconcile that? We argue like hell, then we say, “You know, at the end of the day this is the great thing about Ron Paul and why we can both support him. He wants to leave (insert issue here) to each state so they can decide it for themselves.” And then we have a beer and focus on areas of agreement.
  
  What Beck interprets as Nazi behavior is actually spirited debate and argument that should be a hallmark of any political group. Some of us take it too far, but establishment hacks are worse. The faces of the establishment movement (Rush, Hannity, Levin, Fox News) are openly hostile to Ron Paul and liberty people. Beck on the other hand, finds a few outliers in the liberty crowd and uses them to smear the whole movement. If anyone is Fascist and Nazi it is the Republican establishment that has spent the last 4 years cheating and abusing Ron Paul and his supporters. It really bothers Beck that we are consistent in our beliefs and hold politicians accounta
  
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- DRSAVAGE24
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 7:28pm
  …for their voting records. It’s ironic that it’s the same people who have been saying we need to demand integrity and honor of our political leaders and that they finally actually cut spending, are now attacking us for forcing politicians to be “purists”. What do you want, Glenn? You’ve asked us to hold politicians’ feet to the fire and now there is a growing group of us who are (liberty Republicans) and instead of embracing us you attack us. It’s when you do things like this that you lose our respect. You talk the talk, but in the end you’re all talk and you represent the status quo of John Boehner, Mitt Romney (aka George Washington), and George W. Bush. You’re not a libertarian, so stop calling yourself one as you attack us in the same breath.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 7:35pm
  JUSTANGY & DRSAVAGE24…..
  
  Yes. Yes. Yes, yes & yes.
  
  Here’s an “Amen” if it helps………. AMEN!
  
  The simple truth is this stupidly easy…
  
  “Pave the roads & guard the borders” that’s all government has to do….
  
  the rest is fluff.
  
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- imperative
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 7:36pm
  @MAX…
  
  “I don’t think beck wants to identify with any one but himself.”
  
  But if not, why does he keep calling himself libertarian, and have a video where he bemoans the fact that some do not accept him as one?
  
  “He is nothing, if not logical and temperate. And that is where libertarians fail.”
  
  With all due respect, that’s an unfair generalization of libertarians, and is neither logical nor temperate.
  
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- civilwarcometh
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 7:39pm
  I think it’s safe to say that when the SHTF we will come together. All of us want the Constitution to be the law of the land again. We can sit down as civilized people after the clean up and sort these differences out. None of us are perfect but we’re not communist either…
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 7:46pm
  Just angry…..Its called totalitarianism….. folks these days are devoid of motivation and can’t survive without the nanny state. Its all due to the intentional destruction of integrity in our culture. From education to information dissemination to the methods we use to choose our leaders.
  The very same people who built this country into the dynamo of the twentieth century are now viewed as the oppressors, simply because “we the people” would rather be “we the sleepy & deluded”
  If the movers and shakers that actually do the work would all band together and deprive this system its capital……we might have a chance to improve our lot.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 7:53pm
  IMPERITIVE…..At least you have given me something to chew on…..alright.
  
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- techengineer11
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 8:26pm
  Well I think many are making a mountain out of a mohill here..
  
  I’ll go out on a limb and say that about 75-85% of Ron Paul’s backers #1 point of contention with the Republican Neo-Con wing of the Party is the misuse of our Nation’s Military and the taking away of War Powers from Congress and conferring them to the Executive.
  
  That’s it.
  
  Otherwise I’m pro life, pro marriage, pro 1st and 2nd amendment, pro death penalty, pro sovereignty, pro border security, pro 10th amendment, shrink the fed gov’t, .. etc.
  
  I don’t see the big deal.. Sure there’s some issues with our drug policy but I don’t try to marginalize Libertarians for proposing a more economic savy manner of dealing wtih them..
  
  for the record I’m not a Lib nor have i ever claimed to be but a fan of Dr. Pauls primarily because I think our Military has been misused and coopted and I prefer real sound money vs contanst Fed intervention and manipulation.
  
  So some are spinning this way out of proportion imo.. It’s really not about Libertarianism at all. You may 10-15% of pure Libs in the Republican Party at the most.. This is simply Conservatives who disagree with the Neo-Con wing of the Republican Party or the FOX News wing.
  
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- TROONORTH
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 8:55pm
  Glen needs to go back to school. NAZIs were socialists. The name ‘National Socialist . . . .” pretty much gives that away. NAZIs and Libertarians are hardly members of the same team.
  
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- 3monkeysmomma
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 9:04pm
  I love Rand Paul.
  
  …but Glenn and Ann can both go smootch a goose.
  
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- FaithUsa
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 9:53pm
  I personally want to thank Glenn for the apology. It came at the end of a browbeating, but it is a very well received apology just the same.
  Glenn helped me refind the clear and direct path to our Constitution and our founders a couple of years ago and for whatever reason, he found himself on a different path for awhile. That can happen to the best of us. Welcome back Beck!
  Please people, listen again to the video. Hear what Beck says about the Patriot Act and the NDAA. This is the platform that can win an election and win back America.
  We need to forget about labels and parties and focus on the message. Let’s get the federal government off our backs and throw all our important decisions back to the people in the states where it belongs. We will do the right and moral thing. Stop the violent aggression. Let’s lead by example again.
  Once upon a time you said all these things Beck. I hear you saying them again. You have no idea how good that sounds to me. This time we aren’t just going to work on growing the tent. We are going to drown the Democratic and GOP establishments with an ocean of liberty loving Americans!
  
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- 13th Imam
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 10:25pm
  A Quote from Tofu
  ” We need to split the Republican Party into 3 parts”
  
  you tell me to read the article, you should read your own words.
  
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- KidCharlemagne
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 10:50pm
  13th Imam
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:03pm
  
  Libertarian Math
  Split the R’s into 3 pieces.
  =============================
  
  I like having more choices and more competition though…….
  
  Additional competition is the epitome of a capitalist system and always leads to higher quality products & services at the most reasonable value…
  
  Only an idiot would prefer the fewest possible choices available to select from.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 11:03pm
  Yes 13th – i did not deny saying it. What i said was for you to read the article because you clearly dont understand it
  
  why is it so hard to reason with you
  
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- Cybil
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 11:33pm
  Ron Paul is out of touch. Glenn Beck is too emotional. Let’s find some even ground and defeat the Liberals. I do not care about the small things. Defeat the Liberals and argue about the finer stuff after we save this country. Basically I want the Federal Government to leave me and my company alone. Enforce immigration laws, defend my country and keep air traffic safe. Leave the rest to the individual states. And states, listen, leave me alone as long as I follow common sense laws.
  
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- NogodNojesus
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 2:20am
  Glenn = pot, kettle, black. You retarded Nazi mouthpiece, you.
  
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- GB__The Holy Warmonger
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:29am
  How many times is Glenn going to be a better libertarian AFTER an election? It wasn’t the liberals, Democrat party or progressives that suppressed the tea party movement; it was the Republican establishment and their operatives.
  
  I’m a liberty (libertarian if you like) minded Republican and am sick of neo cons saying that all we care about is smoking some pot and that we sat out the election. It’s simply the same type of repeated lie that the Democrats successfully use against Republicans to marginalize them. I would never trust Beck again. He’s a “pied piper” to those who will mindlessly follow him.
  
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- spikebu
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:16am
  Fool yourselves all you want. You people are some of the most immovable on the face of the planet. Muslims have you beat. Just barely. I agree with perhaps 75-80% of your philosophy. Rather than celebrating the fact we agree on at least 75%, I get attacked and denigrated. I am not a product of a cookie cutter. Why would you think I would conform completely to your way of thinking? WHY would you hate me for not doing it? The only thing I have ever believed in 100%, is God. You are not Him, and your philosophy is imperfect. Deal with it.
  
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- spikebu
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:21am
  You did “sit out” the election!!! Thanks.
  
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- dissentnow
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 6:28am
  Glenn is not a libertarian. He is a shill for the establishment; always has been and always will be. He jumps on whatever bandwagon is popular at the time and then he turns his back on it when he finds another bandwagon to jump on. He went from being a neocon hack to a tea partier overnight, only to call the tea party “racist” for supporting Gingrich over Romney ( Romney is a much bigger progressive than Gingrich ). He calls himself a libertarian ( even though he really doesn’t hold many libertarian views ) and then calls libertarians “Nazis”.
  He should just stick to being a televangelist and maybe run the tent revival circuit. There’s good money to be made in the “god business”, right Glenn?
  
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- AUsername
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 8:32am
  Romney supporters were the nazis they basically tried to make people who couldn’t stand rommie the commie, make them sign support or try to kick them out of the party. i didn’t see Paul supporters doing that. All Romney supports could say is Obama is N word or give you death threats to try to make you vote for him. The fascists and Nazis were the Romney supporters who did that,
  
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- kadster01
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 9:29am
  I have to agree with Glenn here. There is a dogmatism within the Libertarian party that I also see among liberals and religious zealots. It’s an unflinching, inflexible adherence to strict principles and if you show any individuality, you are instantly an outsider. Narrow-mindedness is the surest way to die alone.
  
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- circleDwagons
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 9:57am
  Beck claims to like Rand Paul. Really, how can he attack Ron and not Rand? Actions speak louder than words. Beck claims to be a Christian, he should have sat down with Ron Paul before degrading him. Is Beck a Libertarian? Is Beck a Christian? BOLD ENOUGH FOR YOU?
  
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- techengineer11
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 12:17pm
  circleDwagons
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 9:57am
  Beck claims to like Rand Paul. Really, how can he attack Ron and not Rand? Actions speak louder than words. Beck claims to be a Christian, he should have sat down with Ron Paul before degrading him. Is Beck a Libertarian? Is Beck a Christian? BOLD ENOUGH FOR YOU?
  
  I don’t want to defend Beck but there’s some distance being put in between Rand and Ron.. Unfortunately quite a bit.. I’d still be willng to give Rand the benefit of the doubt but he seems to have his finger on the pulse of AIPAC now after returning from the Wall.. He’s even getting some positive Media coverage and even has ole Beckster singing a praise or two.
  
  He’s certainly more polished than his dad but his dad seemingly has more conviction or should I say principles. But his dad became untouchable as well. Let’s face it today you must “say” the appropriate things.. Even Obama must say certain stuff eventhough most realize he doesnt’ mean it..
  
  What is a fact is that Beck and the entire Meidis establishmetn degraded and marginalized Ron Paul without a cause and I will always hate the pathetic bastards for it. I’d probably bitch slap his damn face if I saw him person and dare him to respond.
  
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- circleDwagons
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 1:35pm
  @Tech. So true. I am not sure about Rand, i’m hoping he is only playing the game. I thought his views where fairly in step with his father. As far as calling Beck out, as long as he calls himself a libertarian and a christian i’ll continue to question him. And Tech. thank you, keep standing up to the haters.
  
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- Nabuquduriuzhur
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:24pm
  I agree.
  
  If I had any money, I’d start a party called “the Christian Democrats”.
  
  Why that name?
  
  Two reasons: because we have a staggering number of older folks who are mostly conservative in their beliefs, but they don’t pay attention to what the people the vote for do, voting for democrats because they’ve always voted democrat.
  
  Second, there is not party that represents the 35% or so of the population that are practicing, born-again Christians. Someone needs to represent them.
  
  The republicans increasingly are trying to be “soft democrats” and almost every time they are attacked by the left, they roll over and capitulate. That has to stop.
  
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- Libertarian
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 5:03pm
  I agree with Beck on principle. I am not a purist on the issues – I like to debate philosophically because it educates and moves the message. I actually partially agree with Coulter. We could legalize drugs, but I sure as hell don’t want to pay for their drugs. I would require that to eliminate entitlements we put very stringent regulations on “free” money. Regulation is a deterrent, ask any business – so if we put regulation on “free” money we can deter people from it.
  
  Where I am a purist is on the candidate. I don’t have to completely agree with the candidate but there are vastly better candidates than what we (Republicans) have presented in the last 3 presidential elections.
  
  I cannot continue to contribute to what I believe is destructive to this country so in good conscience I will vote for the person I think is best. When the Republican Party pulls their head out of their ****, we will get better, winning candidates. I am helping change the (R) party locally, doing my part the best I can.
  
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- Ballot_Box_Revolution
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 5:38pm
  I totally agree with Glenn on this video. I also would call Glenn a Libertarian. To me any ideas that are within constitutional confines is a Libertarian idea.
  
  But Glenn….If you really want to get the Libertarians, you really should admit that you DID smear Ron Paul. I mean you are admitting that you are learning, but can you come clean, and say that you DID smear Ron Paul and his supporters. You DID treat us like we were idiots….kinda the same way you are being treated by a lot of Libertarians. Sucks doesn’t it?? But i think if you could come clean with that Libertarians would take you more serious. It’s one thing to say “Dangit i’m learning…it is a process.” and another to say “I am still learning this whole libertarian thing, and in the process of this learning i do realize I did smear, not just counter Ron Paul and his supporters, and for that I am sorry.”
  
  You do not have to make Ron Paul your god, like some libertarians do. He is not a God to me, but i was a supporter of him, and sometimes I felt like you were spitting in my face. I was a loyal listener/watcher and had much respect for you before all that. I respected that Ron Paul was not your choice, the smear ruined you for me. I would accept an apology though. I think it would be good for Liberty…
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 10:34pm
  Circled- how can you question becks Christianity? That seems a little far. Also he isn’t a strict linertaian more of a conservative libertarian like me
  
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- 509Ptrooper
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 10:38pm
  Ask Ross Perot if that worked against Clinton. NOT! We have to strengthen or take over the GOP and fill it with true conservatives. Get rid of the McCains, Grahams and the other Rove shitheads.
  
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- Trigus
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 10:55pm
  There is only one Party. Its all a lie. Congress is another scripted production. They come on TV and try to talk the talk, say they are not going to do this or not going to do that, have TV conflicts with the other side. Then bam – it all gets settled, they either have dinner that night , or breakfast in the morning to go over their scripts for next day to sway the public.
  
  it is all smoke and mirrors – not one member of Congress is in touch with the American Public.
  
  Try this: write a letter or email to each of your Senators about gun control – wait one to two weeks and see the same form letter response from them both. It does not matter if they are republican or democrat. Best part is they are not even hiding it.
  
  Smoke and Mirrors – sadly what this once great country has become.
  
  Glenn, put down the kool-ade and get back into the game.
  
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- Trigus
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 11:55pm
  “United we stand, divided we fall. Let us not split into factions which must destroy that union upon which our existence hangs.” – Patrick Henry
  
  There should only be one Party “Americans” when elected to Office are subject to the will of the people. Who are not subject to self-interest, or outside influence, and to be held accountable for their actions by their constituents. Each person running for a elected office can only spend a maximum of $1000.00 US Dollars on their campaign. NO more should we see candidates spending Millions of Dollars for a $174k a year job.
  
  Dissolve all Political Parties – Remove the Power from D.C. – There should only be 3 sessions of Congress per year and each session shall last 2 weeks. When Congress is not in session all elected Members of Congress should return to their State.
  
  You want change – this is change. Bring back State Sovereignty
  
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- techengineer11
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 1:09am
  Libertarian
  Posted on February 23
  
  I’m with you.. I like to reason out the issues and try to figure out the most logical outcomes.. Some of the items are complex and are not staightforward.. This is where the avg conservative has failed me.. I thought that all Republicans were like you and I preferring a reasoned well thought out enlightened approach but it’s simply not true.. They want a talking point.. something simple and they want their big gov’t welfare too.
  
  They are a little smarter than the avg Dem but not by much.
  
  Regardless we’re going to have to colonize the moon if we are too have a reasoned approach to the issus thesedays.. However, there are som issues which I don’t reason.. I have zero tolerance for abortion and homosexuality.
  
  Anyway you are right on.. Things do get compicated but no one wants to work at it.. They only want to criticize and marginalize at the first moment of disagreement.
  
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- RepubliCorp
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 2:52am
  DRSAVAGE24 ( Poor Us ) …. Victims, You sound just like a flaming Lib.
  you back a guy that couldn’t win his home state…. AKA a loser
  A guy that was all talk and no show and you claim to be a Victim (laughable)
  Sorry but no one wanted the bad product you were selling. So get over it
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 8:44am
  @509Ptrooper
  Or we can fix the election laws so that 1996 does not cost republicans or democrat the election
  
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- imperative
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 10:50am
  @RepubliCorp
  
  Did you watch Glenn’s video above? The entire thing is “poor me… I’m a victim of your high standards… why don’t you like me… I’m just doing the best I can…”.
  
  I agree with you that such is the stuff of the left, and is unbecoming of anyone.
  
  What is also very unbecoming is the bitterness you show in your comment. Positive, productive, real solution driven people don’t want to be associated with that sort of attitude, and it seems especially prevalent among establishment Republican supporters. I’m certain this is part of the reason why Romney lost an election that should have been extraordinarily easy to win.
  
  Romney himself seems like a positive, intelligent, productive person, even if I disagree with him on some things. Sadly, many of his supporters are much more disagreeable than he, and as such helped deliver his defeat.
  
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- SimpleMan03
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 5:32pm
  Bottom Line:
  Libertarians convey their message in an arrogant fashion. Until they learn to educate people, instead of lecturing them, they will never be a serious political threat. Just listen to your mouthpiece Mike Church on the radio for awhile and you’ll understand why people are automatically turned off to your viewpoints, no matter if they make sense or not.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 8:10pm
  @SimpleMan03
  
  Mike Church is very informative and very polite. He is a lot more polite than hannity, levin, limbaugh, and even glenn beck. So if you support those guys, that makes you a hypocrite
  
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- SimpleMan03
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 9:30pm
  Soy
  He may be informative, but my point was he sounds incredibly arrogant. If you don’t see that, you’ve been listening to him for too long. And just so you know, I do listen to Mike Church every morning because he’s entertaining and I do agree with a lot of what he says, it’s his delivery that needs changed. And you calling me a hypocrite for daring to critique him just proves my point.
  
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- imperative
  Posted on February 25, 2013 at 12:48pm
  @SimpleMan03
  
  Did you not see the word “polite” twice in Soy’s comment, and that that was the potential point of hypocracy?
  
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GoodStuff
Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:19pm
Coulter said it perfectly…”libertarians, who claim to be individualists…sure do act like a mob.”

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:28pm
  explain
  
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- KickinBack
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:31pm
  An angry mob at that. Perhaps that’s why they like their weed. Calms ‘em down.
  
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- crazyrightwingmom
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:44pm
  We claim to worship independent thinking but if someone is independently professing views a bit different than ours, do we shout him down like a mob?
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:53pm
  how would you guys feel if McCain or Romney called themselves “Tea Party”….Would you be excited – or would you be upset that they are polluting the tea party message?
  
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- paultard
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:54pm
  No we all happen to agree on most of the same principles.. John Stossel had 1500 of them in the studio with Coulter. Coulter was the A–hole
  
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- mtcountrygrl
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:08pm
  Libertarians as a party simply do not get it. We cannot have discussions about legalizing everything as long as we have a country that is socialist. Join with conservatives, help us defeat and repeal all the socialism, then we can fight it out of legalization of this or that. As long as people have to PAY for peoples decisions, I am not for legalizing everything. Stop giving me the bill and I can be VERY libertarian.
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:08pm
  it is called “projection”. People who can’t handle being free like to accuse those that enjoy freedom of being fascist. Libertarianism= freedom, the republicans and demoncrats are both anti-freedom, just on different issues. Keeping the government tiny is the only way to stay free.
  
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- The Big Mick
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:09pm
  Soy, I can’t speak for GS, but I can speak for me.
  As a Theistic Anarchist I find certain “sub categories” of “Libertarians”…shall we say—Ideology ZEALOUS in a way that tends of RIGIDITY of Practical Policy.
  
  This Rigidity tends to Reject and Marginalize, at least in Rhetoric, “Religious Values” Conservatives. Whether the chicken of Rejection of Religious Value, or the egg of “these issues” comes first is “moot” in the old sense of debatable, not the new sense of “already decided and not germane.”
  
  I identify “them” as follows–1. The Buckyballer Flatulent Pat Earthers. The code words here are “neocon” in the PRE-Soy understanding of “Anti-Jew/Anti-Israel”. These are virulent Isolationists in practicality, though they deny the term. They marginalize the “Christian” Voters because they view them as dupes of “International Jewry”. My problem is that I can’t believe that Isolationism,–however you spin it and whatever you think are the “real enemies”–has ANY value, utility, or even viability, in a Post Lucky Lindy Landing in Paris World.
  
  2. Closely allied are the Ron Paulists. They tend to overlap on the Isolationist issues though they spin it in a way that I can see some VALUE (thought not yet utility and viability) in. Strict Constitutional Construction.
  
  cont.,
  
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- imperative
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:20pm
  @mtcountrygrl
  
  Part of dismantling socialism is reducing the power that the government has… a.k.a. legalizing.
  
  Those in power who call themselves “conservative” have given the government more power and authority to manage our lives. In other words, they’ve enhanced socialism instead of fighting against it.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:22pm
  Well the way most ‘normal” folks see it…Libertarians are clowns, and don’t have a serious thought about what is really going on. Ron Paul is a godless jerk who has made up some kind of theosophy where the individual is a God unto himself. That is what I don’t about Bah Rahk, too.
  I’ve been told that R.P. is a good Christian…..I’ve listened to hours and hours of R..P. talkin about freedom and liberty, and the constitution, and never…not once, heard him encourage anyone to delve into the freedom and liberty of the Christian lifestyle. Got no use for him.
  It is all just another false doctrine of imitation liberation…..Bondage in its own right..
  
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- The Big Mick
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:22pm
  If these guys would SEEK a Declaration of War on the JihadiNazis there would be little disagreement between us.
  It as they tend toward the First Group in Rhetoric and Reaction to “Christian Conservatives” that rapprochement is replaced by rejection.
  
  The Third group is probably co-terminus with Coulter’s “you focus on legalizing pot”. I call them the “PseudoLiberTINEAryan” “kiddie porn and potters”. Some of these overlap with group 1. Hence the “Aryan”.
  Some overlap with Group 2 and those I call the “Paul Potters”. These guys DO sniff after the Commiequeers* like beeches in heat and reject “Religious Voters” because they apparently think “Christian Triumphalism” which they know nothing about, is a bigger threat to their Pleasure than the Politically Correct Gestapo. I tend to regard this entire group, for JUST that reason of misplaced Fear, as MORONS for thinking Sarah Palin is MORE likely to squash their pot&porn than Piglosi. The FemNazis and Eco-SS are going to chop them far faster and Enslave them more deeply, but they are too dumb to see it. “RELIGIOUS” Conservatism is INHERENTLY more Individual and less Statist then Collectivism, but these Bigots are too stoned to build rapprochement.
  
  The Fourth Group is the Phomos.
  Cont.
  
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- mtcountrygrl
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:35pm
  Thank you IMPERTIVE for proving my point…SIGH! I am very Libertarian except where my faith trumps that belief (ie I will never believe abortion should be legal). Most of my friends are Libertarian. In the last Senate election, John Tester (D) lost. He did not get a majority of the votes. But the majority of the votes were spit between the Republican (who’s voting record was about 85% Libertarian) and the Libertarian. Now we have Tester for another 6 years. He voted for Obamacare, the Stimulus, pretty much everything Obama puts forward. Same exact thing happened in the Govenors seat. The Democrat won and is now blocking gun legislation that would make it easier to carry a firearm. What Libertarians need to do is help us Conservatives COMPLETELY DESTROY THE DEMOCRAT SOCIALIST and then we can slug it out between ourselves. But by dividing the freedom vote we are plunging right off the cliff and losing freedom every day.
  
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- The Big Mick
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:37pm
  SOY part 2 2nd try apologies if repost
  If these guys would SEEK a Declaration of War on the JihadiNazis there would be little disagreement between us.
  It as they tend toward the First Group in Rhetoric and Reaction to “Christian Conservatives” that rapprochement is replaced by rejection.
  
  3. The Third group is probably co-terminus with Coulter’s “you focus on legalizing pot”. I call them the “PseudoLiberTINEAryan” “kiddie porn and potters”. Some of these overlap with Group 1, hence the “Aryan”.
  Some overlap with Group 2 and those I call the “Paul Potters”. These guys DO sniff after the Commiequeers* like beeches in heat and reject “Religious Voters” because they apparently think “Christian Triumphalism” which they know nothing about, is a bigger threat to their Pleasure than the Politically Correct Gestapo. I tend to regard this entire group, for JUST that reason of misplaced Fear, as MORONS for thinking Sarah Palin is MORE likely to squash their pot&porn than Piglosi and Bloomterd. The FemNazis and Eco-SS are going to chop them far faster and Enslave them more deeply, but they are too dumb to see it. “RELIGIOUS” Conservatism is INHERENTLY more Individual and less Statist then Collectivism, but these Bigots are too stoned to build rapprochement.
  
  4. The Fourth Group is the Phomos. They are “Libertarians” only by virtue of the Fig Leaf they use to camouflage their Virulent Anti-CHRISTIAN (note the distinction) Bigotry.
  
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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:40pm
  “Libertarianism= freedom”
  
  No
  
  Libertarianism= Anarchy
  
  Anarchy = death and destruction
  
  Acknowledging there must be social order is not some invented fear of freedom.
  
  Conservatism = freedom because Conservatism acknowledges said freedom comes from his Creator, not some social compact made by men. And that freedom does not come exclusive of morality.
  
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- techengineer11
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:42pm
  BigMick:
  
  I just worship at the alter of International Jewry’s Federal Reserve and any War they want I’m all for it because America was formed in order to spread Democracry around the Globe in the name of values..
  
  Oh yeh! I’m a big Christian and I love Israel more than you and God loves me.. hoo ya!
  
  You really thunk it all out didn’t ya boy?
  
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- imperative
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:57pm
  @mtcountrygrl
  
  How did I prove your point? Because I’m willing to point out that those who clam to be conservative have massively expanded government?
  
  I don’t know the specifics of your candidate, but I can observe the generalities of the whole. There seems to be a prevailing mentality that we must accept socialism at a rapid pace, or at a slightly less rapid pace.
  
  I reject the notion that we must accept socialism at any pace, and there are many others who do the same. That movement is growing, and the faster it grows, the sooner you’ll get your wish.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 6:22pm
  SOYSAUCE….How would you define “chaos”? To me the Libertarian philosophy IS chaotic, and could not govern. It seems to me that you’re trying to put a hexagonal peg in a square hole…..That is the same problem we have with our multi-denominational church culture that we have today…..does not work.
  We are all individuals and most libertarians have given more thought to our condition than any other conservative groups, but in THIS culture….it will not solve any problems, and indeed promises to exacerbate our cultural disparity. I would not call the libertarian philosophy Immoral, but I do know that it is AMORAL, by definition. It would be great if human nature was not what it is, but human nature has remained in its stasis since the beginnings of recorded history, and any one who thinks more “license” will help us is deluded.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 7:28pm
  Countrygal….that is what Ann said, and i agree. Soon, it will be a moot point….We will all be free to be hunter- gatherers and scavengers…….those of us that survive, anyway.
  
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- cgnick
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 8:00pm
  Coulter had that line up her sleeve you could tell that she was out of her element with a large group of people who really support freedom. The crowd was not acting like a mob. They where all expressing their disgust at the same time. That is what happens when a group of like minded people are together listening to someone rant and rave with a different point of view. By her comparison a roaring applause would be a mob-like reaction.
  
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- AUsername
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 9:13pm
  you cueballs in uniform call for backup when someone moves an inch.
  
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- pantokrator
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 9:31pm
  I am a Libertarian Conservative. I believe Conservatism is the conservation of freedom given by the Creator, and not by man (flawed, rebellious, destructive), and I believe Libertarianism is the freedom to pursue your life the way you see best, so long as it does not interrupt or harm the pursuit of happiness towards another. I believe this is the true Libertarian cause.
  
  And anyone who denies that Libertarians (the ones that Glenn is talking about, anyway) are not zealous and bullies others for disagreeing with their perspectives is either a liar, or unaware of this entirely. I have been called many names, including a neo-con Republican simply for expressing my dislike to Alex Jones and his line of thinking. Just like in any group, we have crazies in the Libertarian movement, who take it to unnecessary levels.
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 11:01pm
  Pank- Same here, me and you both have been called neo cons by libertarians especially since I’m a conservative libertarian like you. It’s the extreme libertarians that don’t accept anyone else’s view the disgust me. I thought they are the ones who are supposed to be accepting of other people’s views since it doesn’t “pick my pocket or break my leg.”
  
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- dissentnow
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 6:57am
  @Squid
  
  “Libertarianism= Anarchy”
  
  NO!
  States rights are not anarchy
  
  “Conservatism = freedom”
  NO!
  Conservatism brought us the patriot act, the TSA, domestic spy programs, warrantless wiretapping, undeclared wars, the doubling of the department of education……should i continue?
  
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- pantokrator
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 10:24am
  “Conservatism brought us the patriot act, the TSA, domestic spy programs, warrantless wiretapping, undeclared wars, the doubling of the department of education……should i continue?”
  
  Those were no Conservatives. Quit trying to paint Libertarianism as the one and only true good way. This is what I’m talking about. This is zealous thought. An immature level of it, but it is zealous. A true Conservative would never do such things. Stop trying to say that Conservatives are the problem. No, it’s FAKE Conservatives.
  
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- dissentnow
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 1:23pm
  “Those were no Conservatives. Quit trying to paint Libertarianism as the one and only true good way. This is what I’m talking about. This is zealous thought. An immature level of it, but it is zealous. A true Conservative would never do such things. Stop trying to say that Conservatives are the problem. No, it’s FAKE Conservatives”
  
  Ok, i’ll call your bluff. Name the conservatives who, during the Bush administration, opposed the patriot act, domestic spy programs, and warrantless wiretapping?
  Also, name the conservatives, today, that are opposed to the patriot act or the NDAA. How about tea party hero Allen West? Oh that’s right. He supports both the patriot act and the NDAA. How about Michele Bachman? Oh that’s right………
  
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- pantokrator
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:26pm
  Again, fake Conservatives, not Conservatives. It’s just the same as calling fake Republicans, like Chris Christie. No where have I stated support for any of the Congressmen you’ve mentioned, not even Allen West. Guys like Ted Cruz are great examples of Conservatism still alive and well, it’s just being used a mask for some politicians to try and label themselves to one side and appeal to them.
  
  But if you want to continue down this logic that if a Conservative voting for progressive ideals, means Conservatives are all therefore progressives, then don’t expect to be able to hold any water to your defense of a Libertarian lawmaker who votes for progressive, big-government, big-spending ideas. Unless you are willing to say that because of the acts of a single Libertarian, the entire group/party is contaminated with filth.
  
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- dissentnow
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:49pm
  You named one. I like Cruz, as well, but the fact that you could only name 1 conservative speaks more about the state of conservatism than any comment that i may have posted. I’ll add one more to your list; Rand Paul.
  
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- pantokrator
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:00pm
  You’re right, it does. It tells me there are a lot of fake Conservatives out there, not worthy of the name Conservatism. But it does not mean that Conservatives helped bring us the NDAA or the Patriot Act.
  
  I did forget Rand Paul, and I apologize for that.
  
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- Locked
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 10:43am
  I find that libertarians and social conservatives often approach social issues with the same wording, but very different meanings. For example, both might say “I believe in personal responsibility and accountability for actions.”
  
  For a libertarian, that means that you can do what you like, provided it’s not infringing the rights of others, but you reap the consequences.
  For a social conservative, that means that the government should force people to take responsibility in the way they want.
  
  Let’s take the “drug” example. Both groups would say “Drug use is bad.”
  
  Libertarians say “If drugs are actually bad, then people will face the consequences of using them – addiction, side effects, etc. The government won’t help out, but it’s not the government’s place to legislate them either.”
  Social conservatives say, “The government must legislate against drugs. It’s not enough that some users might end up addicted or poisoned; ALL users must be punished for even using in the first place.”
  
  So the problem isn’t that the groups have different values – it’s what the role of the government is. Is the government’s role to follow the Constitution? Or is it the government’s role to enforce the “best path” through force? The former is libertarianism; the latter is social conservatism (aka, Republicans).
  
  Interestingly, the latter is also what Democrats do.
  
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- Norm D. Plume
  Posted on February 25, 2013 at 8:18pm
  @MTCountryGirl:
  
  No.
  
  You conservatives should join with US, and help us defeat the socialism.
  
  Then, YOU will be free to go and live your life the way you see fit. Sex, drugs and rock-n-roll, if you choose, or hyper-churchy goodness, if you choose. The point is, YOU WILL BE FREE TO CHOOSE.
  
  If we do it your way, then WE will not be free to choose our own paths, once socialism is defeated.
  
  Do you see the point yet?
  
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Gargent_Furball
Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:18pm
No one is forcing you to become a Libertarian. If you like their view, then join up.

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 7:44am
  yea beck dont sit there and cry about not being accepted. They have survived as a 3rd party because they hold specific principles and do not compromise in order to get votes
  
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- circleDwagons
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 10:04am
  Morning Soy :) Glenn likes Bold questions. Where was he when liberty minded republicans where being attacked by the establishment during the primaries? If Glenn believes in Liberty and Love, why did he not invite RP to his Lovefest last summer?
  
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- 13th Imam
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 12:16pm
  Glenn and any R seems to have to toe the Perfect Libertarian line or be cast aside. Then when the people that you want to toe your line falter in a large or small way, you throw out the Neocon, or other epithet to serve your master plan. Glenn is correct as you can see by the inflexible Super Libertarian crowd of 2%. You will always be on the losing side with this hubris.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 1:59pm
  beck is playing the victim card. 13th, you are a bleeding heart beckhead
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:11pm
  Soybomb said: “May you live forever, Glenn Beck.”
  
  http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/10/what-kind-of-video-would-we-post-to-say-happy-birthday-to-glenn-beck/
  
  Explain ;)
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 7:08pm
  @The_Cabrito_Goat
  
  Lol. i hope you are still around to read this. The quote was an adaptation from the movie “300″. You cannot understand it unless you see the movie.
  
  “May you live forever” was the sarcastic line the hero of the movie said to the traitor who sabotaged his own people…. That is what Glenn Beck has done over the last few years on a wide range of issues and ideas that i can explain to you in time.
  
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- NoNannyState4me
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 8:53pm
  The first part of being a Libertarian is understanding and living the NON AGRESSION policy. This negates the use of pre-emptive war of any kind. A fierce defense is key with no re construction paid to the perpetrators that provoke our defense.
  
  No preemptive war in Iran, in other words. Or Iraq, or Syria, etc etc. unless they attack first.
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 10:44pm
  Soy- that’s a bit of an exaggeration. The only thing he did really wrong was not supporting Paul in the primaries and or smearing him. On issues he has been pretty consistent. I wouldn’t exactly call him a traitor
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 1:06am
  DLV
  
  Yes, it was a little movie humor – dont be so stiff. But there is some truth to it cuz when you compare his rhetoric versus actions – something is up. Remember how he always trashes alex jones – whats up with that. Why does beck endorse the big government republicans like santorum. Why does glenn beck trash people who question some of the information (lack of information) about sandy hook. Why does glenn beck want to build cities when his only mission is to give us information
  
  I am pretty sure when that article was up we were upset about his saul alinsky treatment of alex jones on piers morgan or the sandy hook details….cant remember which. you gotta take things in context
  
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- en2deep
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 10:57am
  SOYBOMB, how many elected officials do you have in Federal office as a 3rd party? I don’t think you’re purity standards are working too well. I agree with most of Ron Pauls ideals, but he is naive when it comes to Foreign policy. Also NONANNYSTATE said that a nonaggression ideology is priority one when it comes to libertarians. I would think small and constitutional gov’t would be most important.
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 9:38pm
  I always thought Leonidas was being forgiving, but why argue over a mere movie?
  
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- Norm D. Plume
  Posted on February 25, 2013 at 8:28pm
  @En2Deep:
  
  How many Republicans has the establishment put in office lately? Why are people voting against Republicans, if Republicans are the party of freedom?
  
  The answer is, because the Republican party is NOT the party of freedom, and people know it.
  
  If your argument held any water, we’d be cussing President Romney right now, for his continuance of socialist policies, banker bail outs, cronyism and so forth, instead of President Obama.
  
  It’s time for conservatives to join us, to set America free again. We cannot join you, because yours is a path to further enslavement. When the jackboot is on your neck, it makes little difference if it’s a left boot or a right boot.
  
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Johnny Cocheroo
Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:17pm
They are a rowdy crowd online but one you’ll never have to guess where they stand. Any party that ALWAYS stands for limiting government will have my vote.

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- DRSAVAGE24
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 7:49pm
  Wondering what Beck thinks is Nazi and Fascist behavior. Last I’ve heard there aren’t libertarians out there murdering their fellow libertarians who aren’t pure enough. Are we Nazi and Fascist because we argue with each other passionately? That seems to be our crime. If we disagree with someone on an issue we go after them for it, through words and ideas, not through brute physical force. It’s really chilling that Glenn Beck is using his platform to attempt to suppress the free speech of libertarians who may speak out against others with whom they disagree on various issues.
  
  I think Glenn does this sort of thing to ingratiate himself with the Republican and Democrat establishment. He wants to be accepted and loved by the establishment media, although every other segment he tells us he doesn’t care what they think of him. Thou doth protest too much, Glenn. Stop with the gratuitous attacks on liberty lovers who are more in line with the Founders than you’ll ever be.
  
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- pantokrator
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 9:40pm
  The Nazi comment was a poor choice, but I can see where Glenn comes from in his fascist statement. I have personally had interactions with Libertarians who are zealous in this. People who I think are Paulbots, and Jonesbots, willing to just take their word for it. People who can’t seem to let go of the past, and label anyone of a different view as neo-cons, and anyone (like Glenn) who have had a history of disagreeing views will forever be that person they used to be, accepting no forgiveness whatsoever, despite the fact that Glenn is admitting here he used to be stupid, and that he’s changed.
  
  But I am not saying all Libertarians are like this; I myself am one. However, being a Libertarian should also include the ability to recognize and alienate ignorance in all things, and the acceptance of the truth, no matter how ugly. Denying that all Libertarians are good, friendly people is ignorance. I’ve seen countless ones make vial and vicious threats, things that I thought I could only see in liberals. There are rotten apples in the Libertarian movement. People who take it too far. This is what Glenn is addressing. If you are not among this category, you should not be offended by what Glenn said. He was not speaking to all Libertarians, just the zealous ones.
  
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- pantokrator
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 9:45pm
  “I think Glenn does this sort of thing to ingratiate himself with the Republican and Democrat establishment. He wants to be accepted and loved by the establishment media, although every other segment he tells us he doesn’t care what they think of him.”
  
  Or perhaps Glenn is willing to see the truth, which is that there are lines that need to be heeded in all groups, including Libertarianism. This line defines whether or not you are a just person of your cause, or an extreme zealous person of your cause. I think Glenn simply recognizes that ‘Libertarian’ does not automatically mean ‘good, just’. Perhaps Glenn is holding to that old saying, ‘Question with boldness’ and questioning everyone, even those who claim to be Libertarians, and that even the Libertarian movement has a dark side.
  
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- Norm D. Plume
  Posted on February 25, 2013 at 8:31pm
  Seems to me the Paultroons weren’t breaking fingers, dislocating hips, and punching people at the various state Republican party conventions, either.
  
  Doesn’t that kind of behavior smack a little of the brownshirts?
  
  And Beck is calling US Nazis?
  
  Puh-freakin’-lease.
  
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- Norm D. Plume
  Posted on February 25, 2013 at 8:35pm
  @Pantokrator:
  
  The past, in this case, is only a couple of months ago. Don’t be surprised if we nurse a big, steaming pile of mistrust all the way through the next couple of election cycles. IFF Beck proves true, then perhaps he will be forgiven. But not, in my mind, until then. He has a LOT to answer for. After all, it was supporters of the guy HE supported, who were breaking bones, throwing punches, shutting down conventions that weren’t going their way, and calling cops on peaceful people who happened to disagree strongly and vocally.
  
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KingCoal59
Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:15pm
glenn I didn’t read this article what I want you to know is you shouldn’t call anyone a NAZI unless you know they have went to the depths of evil the Nazis went to, I have been reading and the things they did even women Nazis they deserve a special word only for them I am opposed to anyone using that word in a cavalier way. Never diminish the evil of the the word Nazi.

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:20pm
  no “libertarian” would call another libertarian “nazi and facist” for resisting someone who just spent a year propping up progressive candidates mischaracterizing your position
  
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- techengineer11
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:22pm
  What did the Nationalist do that was any different than what the Marxist did?
  
  You sound like a fool who might have just watched the swindler’s list.
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:28pm
  I agree he should not have went that far. That was stupid and too emotional. The comparison was obviously that Nazis refuse other people’s opinions. But still it was too far.
  
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- SaturdaysWarrior76
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:30pm
  @SOY: “No Libertarian would call another Libertarian a Nazi…” How would you know this, if you “aren’t part of a group”? You contradict yourself over and over.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:34pm
  @saturday
  because i understand libertarianism
  
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- Polarized America
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:45pm
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  ……..place principles before personalities…………/;-)
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:57pm
  I don’t think Glenn knows who the NAZIs were, what they stood for, and what their ultimate goals are. He’s using it as a cliche to refer in a blanket manner to any group that might appear totalitarian in any miniscule capacity. That is wrong, and trivializes the evil that is National Socialism.
  
  They didn’t stop Anne from speaking. They disagreed with her. They let her leave, they didn’t toss her in jail or physically threaten her. I side more with Anne’s version of libertarian platforms, even if I vehemently disagree with her choices of politician she supports.
  
  Get rid of the welfare state, and revise the tax code before you go after all this other stuff (easy immigration, legalization of drugs).
  
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- Kupo
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:12pm
  Cavallo, that’s a very nice strawman that you and Annie have attacked. Most of the libertarians who come here to The Blaze supported Ron Paul’s election, so please tell me just how much time and energy Ron Paul devoted to immigration and drugs. They are both important issues but they were not at the top of Paul’s list.
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:14pm
  Funny that people associate the Nazis (evil people for sure) with the ultimate evil when Communists were far more destructive and have created far more evil. Hitler’s murder count is no where near Stalin’s or Mao’s. The government should not be in anyones private business or personal lives. Why is it that democrats and republicans can’t figure this out?
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:27pm
  @Kupo, Never mentioned Ron Paul. Ron Paul was/is a republican. We’re talking of the priorities of the libertarian platform, not some cult persona.
  
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- Kupo
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:35pm
  Fair enough, but it’s not even an issue that is at the top of most libertarians’ list, so it’s still a huge strawman.
  
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- Mike76
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 9:43pm
  Beck is just creating a straw man that will allow him to cast the seeds of aspersion against the Libertarians whom he knows will split the Party and refuse to support his favored neo-con candidates in the mid-terms and 2016, that’s all. Don’t take his “Nazi” comments to literally. Glenn isn’t trying to diminish the significance of the suffering the Nazis inflicted – he’s just trying to vilify Libertarians, just like he did to the Tea Party in 2012 when he accused them of blatant racism on Fox News.
  
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GoodStuff
Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:14pm
Yes anarcho-libertarians are kooks. But, also, Beck is all the map.

Every couple years he has a libertarian phase. During this phase he will embrace all the tenets of anarcho-libertarianism. Of course, it’s short lived, because the RuPaul cult-mob will begin attacking him for not worshipping RuPaul. Then Beck will begin to actually listen to anarcho-libertarians with their obsession with pot, **** “marriage”, prostitutes on every street corner, anti-Israeli sentiments and outright anti-Semitism.

At this point, Beck will actually turn his brain back on, and once again embrace limited government conservatism, you know, the kind advocated by our Founding Fathers. On the political spectrum, limited government conservatism aligns perfectly with where our founders set up our constitutional republic. Anarcho-libertarians on the other hand align much more closely with the Occupy clowns.

Wake up Glenn. Just because you hate the current GOP (as do I), that does not mean you have to play in the mud with the libertarian crazies.

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:21pm
  actually goodstuff i agree with you. after the 2008 election, glenn beck said he was “more ron paul than sarah palin”….Of course when the 2011 primary rolled around – glenn had moved on. Now that this election is over – he comes back again.
  
  I dont know if its how he stays fresh with his audience or if he is really that schizophrenic
  
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- techengineer11
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:24pm
  We must obey Israel and arrest anyone caught with a joint because we have so many millions to keep them incarcerated.
  
  Please fool. A brain is a horrilbe thing to waste.
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:16pm
  Soy- lol, it’s because he is a conservative libertarian like me. :). Even so, I feel like Glenn could phrase things a lot better so he doesn’t look like he is taking a ride on the pendulum. What it is, he just gets really angry like a lot of people. I think he just needs to calm down and look at things rationally and not always have runaway anger. I only get that angry when playing video games but ironically enough never against people with opposite ideologies unless it’s just mind numbingly stupid. I always say just because you disagree with a few libertarian policies doesn’t make you not a libertarian.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:40pm
  @DLV
  Glenn Beck got away from “libertarian” and then threw rocks at us. Now he wants back. Glenn Beck would be better served by explaining the mistakes he made and why he made them….That would be a much better approach than pushing and shoving his way back into the “libertarian line”
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 6:19pm
  Soy- Glenn Beck would be better served by explaining the mistakes he made and why he made them….That would be a much better approach than pushing and shoving his way back into the “libertarian line”
  
  Ya I’d like some explanations too. I just offered one.
  
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- Face...Palm
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 6:49pm
  @soy…. I don’t think he wants you back.
  
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- dissentnow
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 6:49am
  @Goodstuff
  
  With all of your talk about “limited government conservatism”, my only question is when are you guys going to nominate a candidate for president that actually supports “limited government conservatism”? Romney? McCain? W. Bush? Dole? H.W. Bush? If you don’t actually nominate a candidate that supports “limited government conservatism”, then all of your talk of “limited government conservatism” is nothing more than lip service. The libertarians are much closer to the founding fathers than Mitt Romney and John Boehner.
  
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KidCharlemagne
Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:14pm
Beck can’t seem to make up his mind about anything:

YouTube: “Glenn Beck: Ron Paul is the closest to our Founding Fathers”

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- UBETHECHANGE
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:25pm
  It’s not about making up his mind. Open and reasoned people grow, evolve, and question everything, always. I used to be a registered Democrat. I voted for Al Gore for God sakes. You going to hold that over my head for all my life? If so, you have a major rigidity problem. Look in your own mirror.
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:33pm
  I think Beck still believes that Kid, I just think he disagrees with Paul and how crazy his supporters can be which I agree to. I am a Ron Paul fan but the fanatics just make me want to run away. They aren’t doing themselves any favors. Same with Christians insulting non-christians. No favors done there.
  
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- S-O-B-E-R
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:46pm
  I am actually quite thrilled by what the left is trying to frame as discord. To me, it reflects what is sorely lacking in this country right now – critical thinking. I remember all the crazy hoopla pushed by the media about what a horror Glenn Beck was. I had to find out what all the frenzy was about. From the very first time I watched his Fox show, I said to myself, there’s no way these people have even watched this guy because he repeated over and over and over again: “Don’t believe anyone. Don’t believe me. Do your own research.” BAM.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:47pm
  @DLV
  I know you are a reasonable person. Please explain what you mean by “fanatics”….Have you been to any events? Do you personally know any?
  
  Most people who say such things dont know any and just go by the conservative media’s portrayal….Which is same thing the liberal media does to tea party…..See what i mean?
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:53pm
  Soy- Would be GLAD to. I have an awesome case right here of an insane Paul supporter. Brother Winston Smith. If someone doesn’t agree to exactly what Paul says, then he name calls. Says they’re unconstitutional… fake.. and the rest. Example? The other day when the article came out about the four sheriffs who were being interviewed by Beck and all they did was sit down and talk to them. He called them names. Look up the article Soy because I called him out on it. Honestly, he is as annoying as Encinom.
  
  “Which is same thing the liberal media does to tea party…..See what i mean?”
  
  Yup :). But there is truth to it as I stated above.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:00pm
  @DLV
  
  You cannot take anything someone says online and judge millions of people by it. THIS IS THE INTERNET MAN
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:07pm
  Soy- Oh I agree. As I told AvengerK I don’t believe in painting people in such broad strokes as all or nothing. I was merely naming one out a few fanatics that give RP supporter’s a bad name as fanatics that’s all. That’s what scares me.
  
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- imperative
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:40pm
  @DLV
  
  Republican supporters can be just as crazy if not more. So can Beck supporters. Don’t they also make you want to run away?
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 6:21pm
  Imp- Yes, but I don’t run away from Glenn Beck or Ron Paul, I run away from them. Like Brother Winston Smith. Get the difference? I also run away from the republicans not because of the supporters but because of what the party has become.
  
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- imperative
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 6:42pm
  @DLV
  
  Yes, I do get the difference. I just so often hear people try to associate Ron Paul or libertarians with their crazy or fanatical element, yet they don’t bother doing so for fanatical establishment types.
  
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- Brother Winston Smith
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 7:54pm
  I doubt this reply will make it through… or it will be delayed by the REPUBLICAN Blaze, until story gets cold. But that’s just REPUBLICAN tactics, I must deal with. Anyway…
  
  DLV DISSECTED….
  
  ALINSKYITE NAME CALLING:
  “insane Paul supporter. Brother Winston Smith.”
  OBSERVATION:
  To ADD to the disgusting nature of baseless name-calling… name-calling BEHIND SOMEONE’S BACK… is PARTICULARLY slimy.
  
  LIE:
  “If someone doesn’t agree to exactly what Paul says:
  TRUTH:
  If someone LIES…
  
  LIE:
  “then he name calls.”
  TRUTH:
  I PATIENTLY PICK APART EVERY LIE THE LIAR HAS TOLD, as I’m doing now. I also try to articulate the OBJECTIVE of the liar’s propaganda, so others can recognize republican propaganda.
  
  VAGUE:
  “Says they’re unconstitutional”
  PRECISE:
  I call unconstitutional things, unconstitutional. And if anyone ever needs proof or elaboration, I am johnny-on-the-spot with reference.
  
  CORRECT:
  “fake”
  EXAMPLE:
  In the headline: “Libertarian Glenn Beck…” This is A LIE. Glenn Beck is a FAKE-conservative/libertarian, REPUBLICAN. He is IN NO WAY “Libertarian,” “tea party,” “conservative,” or any other FRAUDULENT label that is clumsily pasted on him.
  
  LIE:
  “The other day when the article came out about the four sheriffs … He called them names.”
  TRUTH:
  I CALLED ATTENTION TO THE FACT that Beck SUPPORTED GUNGRABBING ROMNEY, but now FALSELY POSITIONS HIMSELF as pro-gun.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 8:01pm
  lol.. was just thinking to myself, “when is BRO-WIN- SMITH gonna show up?”
  
  Welcome BWS, and thanks for- once again- resetting the “Sagarin” ratings for this issue.
  Can’t argue with the truth.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 8:44pm
  BROTHERSMITH….Don’t let up. Give no quarter…..sooner or later “The p***ies” will come to understand that taking a stand is a lifelong commitment, that takes courage and moral integrity. Its not a fad, and not done on a whim. “Because we will not be taken in…., we are more likely to be taken out.”
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 11:04pm
  Imp- I know what you mean.
  
  Bro winston Smith- Thanks for being a pal and proving me right even though I’ve been on your side the entire time (albeit with a slightly different opinion). Remind me not to go to war with you since you do not know friend from foe. As I stated before, if Jesus differed from your insanely strict views, you would not change you would throw him under the bus. But hey if you do not know friend from foe, join Sauron’s army, I hear he needs a few more fanatical orks in his ranks.
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 11:09pm
  BWS- Also you claim, this is a republican establishment, which it isn’t, but even if it is, why are you here if you hate it so much? The only explanation I can think of is trolling.
  
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- Norm D. Plume
  Posted on February 25, 2013 at 8:45pm
  @DLV:
  
  BWS speaks truth to power. :-)
  
  Learn to read his rants for content. You’ll soon find out that, even if you’re the poor schmuck under his microscope, his postings strike right at the truth of the matter. Even if he seems nucking futs, at times, and repetitive. Start listening, and he won’t have to repeat himself so often.
  
  As to Beck, well, we’ll see. If he does what he has done historically, he’ll be the piece of garbage I think he is. A gifted presenter, who speaks lots of truth, but in whose soul a tumor grows. Inconstant and malevolent, is how I see him, but he shows some promise, if he’ll just take that final step and embrace a consistent and logical ideology.
  
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SpankDaMonkey
Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:12pm
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Well Nazi & Fascist may be a little strong Glenn, but I’m glad you read my post from earlier today.

SPANKDAMONKEY
Posted on February 22, 2013 at 1:16pm
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I like, I mean I Love P****. So please stop equating one of my favorite things to a bunch of political Panty Wastes……

Thank You,
SpankDaMonkey

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civilwarcometh
Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:10pm
I guess people think the people who wrote the Constitution and the Bill of Rights were republicans/conservatives and democrats/progressives…

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soybomb315_II
Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:03pm
BECK. You did not just disagree with Ron Paul. You tore him down in every imaginable way. You took words/speeches out of context. You minimized him. You took token Ron Paul supporter calls on the radio with the sole purpose of making a fool out of them. You are not to be trusted Glenn Beck.

We knew you would make a U-turn and come right back towards us – but we are ready for you. We watched you and we know your methods. You will try to hijack the libertarian message that Ron Paul started – but we will be here the entire way reminding all your sheep listeners of your record

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- UNALIEN
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:10pm
  not true, I heard Beck say that agreed with MOST of RP views
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:16pm
  yea he always says that….and then he proceeds to excoriate him. We had a primary. Beck had a chance to be reasonable. Instead Beck chose Saul Alinsky style
  
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- GoodStuff
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:16pm
  Seek help Soyboob. RuPaul was a pork-loving fraud. Snap out of it.
  
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- VRW Conspirator
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:19pm
  you are wrong Soy…as you were just told…
  
  fiscally most conservatives agree with RP….it is his social and foreign policies that cause him to lose support…because he WILL NOT even attempt to agree on 70% like Reagan said….him and most that support him are “all or nothing” goosestep or get out, fascists like Beck said…
  
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- SHASTADIANE1
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:20pm
  You Ron Paul badge wearers are exactly why he called you what he did. If you listened to the program and listened to what he has said in the past about Ron Paul in context, you would know, he agreed with most of what Ron Paul said. However, if we all don’t walk in “lockstep” to the altar of Ron Paul, you claim we are not Libertarian. Glenn loves Rand Paul, who makes a lot more sense than his father ever made. But you don’t like him either, because he isn’t his old man, though he totally supported him in his run. I think Glenn is totally right in what he says. I’ve seen plenty of PaulBots who believed only in the Constitution as THEY saw it. We can’t even agree to disagree, how do you expect to ever win another election? We might as well bend over and kiss our hiney’s good bye, and get ready to live under the thumb and the rule of government forever. It doesn’t matter for me, I won’t be here for that many more years, but I dread it for my children and grandchildren.
  
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- techengineer11
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:20pm
  That’s exactly right..
  
  You know I want to trust Beck.. I really do.. I’m a sucker for him but… He’s a shill.. that’s his number 1 job.
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:26pm
  Even still, I respect Beck for accepting everyone’s opinions even those he doesn’t agree with…
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:33pm
  When someone says to you, “with all due respect, i think you are an a s s hole”….
  
  Do you focus on the first part or the second part? Beck had a choice, he chose Santorum and he did Ron Paul a nasty disservice. For instance, during the primary glenn called ron paul an isolationist for wanting to leave iraq/afghanistan and pull bases our of europe….But now glenn is saying the same thing. I would consider Beck if he gave an apology but i will not be cool with him doing what he did and then getting upset that we dont accept him right away…..That is childish on his part
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:34pm
  VRW- fiscally most conservatives agree with RP….it is his social and foreign policies that cause him to lose support…because he WILL NOT even attempt to agree on 70% like Reagan said….him and most that support him are “all or nothing” goosestep or get out, fascists like Beck said…”
  
  Excellent! Well Said! Well Said! I couldn’t agree more and this is where Beck has a problem and I can agree with him on this.
  
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- DRSAVAGE24
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 8:52pm
  Soy, you are absolutely right, as usual. It wasn’t that he disagreed with Ron Paul. There are Ron Paul supporters who disagree with his stance on drugs, foreign policy, even monetary policy. We don’t all agree with Ron Paul on everything and we don’t kick people out of the movement because they disagree with him on something. Obviously they agree with him enough to support him for president and that is good enough for us.
  
  I couldn’t have said it better myself. Beck didn’t just disagree, he used his Alinsky tactics of target, isolate, and ridicule to turn any open-minded conservative away from him during the primary. He knows exactly what he’s doing. Why does he become more libertarian AFTER the election? I suppose someone should ask him that. Prob the same reason Rush talks tough after elections. That is why I say, pay no attention to what the talk radio crowd says now. Pay attention to what they do and say when it matters, when the chips are down, when the election is around the corner and we have a primary to be decided. I can just about guarantee they will all be in the tank for Marco Rubio. They’re already starting now by giving him more coverage on talk radio, getting his name out there, interviewing him, etc.
  
  To Beck’s credit, he’s one of the few who even mentions Rand Paul and possibly supporting him in 2016. If that’s the case, I’m happy to have him on our side, but he’s not going to make any friends if, while praising Rand, he insults Ron’s sup
  
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- AUsername
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 9:18pm
  yeah we know glenn beck is a neo con zionist traitor to American and should move to the country he cares more about than America.
  
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paultard
Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:02pm
Glenn, whatever happened to “It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.” You semed to have changed course yet AGAIN.. That Jefferson statement is about as libertarian as it gets.. Seems you have forgotten and are a little smitten over Ms Coulter and her Nazi Aryan attitude.

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- VRW Conspirator
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:17pm
  Glenn’s statement have NOTHING to do with that and more to do with the Paul-bots that piss and moan and call names and climb up everyone’s ARSE if they don’t goosestep to Ron Paul for Emperor of the World mentalities.
  Ron has many good points and many bad ones and they should be discussed openly and without bias but Paul-bots just scream and shout “neo-con” or “fake conservative” or “GOP establishment stooge” whenever an HONEST flaw is found with Paul.
  
  That being said…I totally would take Rand Paul over ANY of those mentioned by the media as the GOP savior…Rubio, Christie, or any other… He is the only one that understands the economic issues, the defense issues, and the social issues. Why? Because unlike his father, he takes the time to actually support the arguement not just screech about the Constitution, fiscal responsibility, drug legalization, and gay marriage all the while cutting back room deals to put money back into the pockets of his donors and voting for the bill before he votes against it, claiming it is for the taxpayer in his district, but all that “tax breaks” just go to the big corporate interests that get him reelected.
  
  Ron learned well how to play the political game…look like a man of the people while being a career politician and sucking off the funds and power…here is to hoping his son doesn’t play the same game.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:35pm
  @VRW
  Have you ever met a ron paul supporter?
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:36pm
  As always VRW well said! You’re on the ball here! Sometimes you just need to agree to disagree and unite to defeat the greater evil.
  
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- paultard
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:52pm
  The Jeffersonian statement is true libertarian.. Glenn seems to be trying to resurrect the Pat Robertson Religious Right again.. I have no problem with Gay marriage because “it neither picks my pocket or breaks my leg.” Same thing with the drug issue.. The economy however and our monetary system is another. Ann Coulter needs to go away like Soledad O’Brien.. Glenn needs to either be a libertarian or STFU. Repeat after me, “It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.” Follow that simple statement and believe it and you will understand what it means to be libertarian.
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:11pm
  Drugs picks my pocket. Until the welfare state is eliminated I don’t want to pay for someone to sit on their couch and smoke dope. I have no problems with dope as long as I can refuse to hire druggies to work for me, and I am not subsidizing their life style. Eliminate the welfare state first.
  
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- GuruMeditation
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:52pm
  People that do drugs while also on welfare are picking our pockets.
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 6:22pm
  Gur- Yes I agree which is why libertarians by and large want to do away with health care so people’s actions only affect… them….
  
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SaturdaysWarrior76
Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:00pm
I’ve been hard-core Republican since I was old enough to vote, but in the last couple of years I’m finding in my heart.. I tend to lean more Libertarian than I realized. I would hope that Life-long Libertarians would be welcoming to those of us who are just waking up!

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- NoNannyState4me
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 11:03am
  We are welcoming, but not willing to budge on several principles of Libertarianism. First and foremost the non aggression principle and things such as free market or the unalienable right to self defense. Some people call themselves Libertarian when they realize the true faith we have in just one of these 3 principles listed here and how it applies to them. But, all three (and some other things as well) come into play big time with true Libertarians and individual liberty.
  
  We welcome you all to wake up fully, not just partially. You can’t be a Libertarian and be for attacking Iran. I am no lover of Islam or Iran, but I vehemently oppose attacking those who have not made war upon us on American soil, for instance. In comparison, our own government thinks it’s okay to sick the TSA on Americans with check points, pat downs, and warrantless home invasions. Who are we ‘really’ at war with here?
  I am no fan of gays, but I don’t care one bit if they want to ‘marry’. It doesn’t hurt ME one bit and I don’t fear anything that brings to harm to me or my family.
  I could go on all day with these types of examples and went for 37 years of my life before waking up to Libertarianism. I voted for the Bush’s, was a good gay hating, war loving Republican. Not anymore.
  
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soybomb315_II
Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:00pm
“Why Is Libertarian Glenn Beck Using ‘Nazis’ & ‘Fascist’ to Describe Some Other Libertarians?”

This is why people should not call themselves libertarian when they are clearly NOT (glenn beck)

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- UBETHECHANGE
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:05pm
  You are willfully ignorant and closed minded, just like an Obama voter.
  
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- SaturdaysWarrior76
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:09pm
  Oh, sorry Soy… I guess the rest of us “aren’t worthy”? You just rested Glenn’s case for him. So tell me… how do others get to join your elite little club of “true” Libertarians? Is there some written test we have to pass? How about a DNA test? Joiner’s fee? Secret password? Seriously, I really want to know! How does one become “Worthy” to call themselves a Libertarian?
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:15pm
  we had a republican primary with a moderate (Romney), a conservative (santorum), and a libertarian (ron paul). There shouldnt be any confusion what someone is because you had three people to clearly choose from. Just a few months ago, Beck was endorsing the conservative and tearing down the libertarian……That makes beck a conservative and not a libertarian. People who refuse to understand this fact are just as confused as the liberals
  
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- tzion
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:16pm
  So unless he meets your definition of Libertarianism, which most certainly is nothing less than 100% agreement with you, he’s just posing? I think you should consider the following quote:
  
  “If you claim to respect the opinions of others but are shocked and offended that there are any views other than yours, you just might be a Liberal.”
  
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- GoodStuff
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:17pm
  The Soyboob strikes again. The world’s IQ plummets.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:17pm
  @SaturdaysWarrior76
  We are not a group. I am not a libertarian. But i understand people like yourself seek groups and identification. You want to call yourself a libertarian??? EARN IT
  
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- SaturdaysWarrior76
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:22pm
  @SOY: Really? EARN IT? And how does one do that Mister Superior? Tell us! Every word you write here today only strengthens Glenn’s case! I bow before your Libertarian purity and greatness! Tell me sir… how can the lowly ones EARN the holy title of Libertarian? Since you’ve earned it yourself and you are the pure one… enlighten the rest of us peons, please!
  
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- SaturdaysWarrior76
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:27pm
  @SOY You say: “We are not a group” “I am not a Libertarian”
  Get off the crap Soy. You’re really too full of it. You are part of a “group” and you know it. But if it makes you feel so wise to say you aren’t… Whatever works, right? pffft.
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:40pm
  Soy- You’ve made it repeatedly clear you’re a libertarian. I find myself in agreement with a lot of what you say. I think Glenn and Paul have made mistakes but when next time comes around we need to get our **** together before we take on the progressive machine.
  
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- KidCharlemagne
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:40pm
  soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:15pm
  
  we had a republican primary with a moderate (Romney)
  ============================
  
  Romney wasn’t a moderate……he was a liberal:
  
  ————————————————–
  “I’m gonna’ mention a few by name…and just a tiny part of their contribution….
  
  Senator Kennedy….
  
  Together we pitched the Secretaries on our vision to insure all our citizens….and on the need for federal support to make the vision real.
  
  His work in Washington and behind the scenes on Beacon Hill was absolutely essential.
  
  It’s now my pleasure to introduce my collaborator and friend….Senator Edward Kennedy…
  
  Senator…..(applause)”
  April 12, 2006: “Romney-Kennedy Health Care Bill Signing”
  
  Anybody who recruits the federal government to prop up the government-run healthcare program in their state is just an out-and-out liberal…
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:45pm
  @SaturdaysWarrior76
  i agree with most of their principles but not all. I am not affiliated with any party. I have voted for republicans, libertarians, and constitutional party candidates. You are obviously easily offended.
  
  Here, i will call you a “paper libertarian” – does that make you feel better? If you want to be libertarian so bad, you can earn it by supporting the next one that comes along or spreading the message of freedom and peace
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:03pm
  @saturday
  
  By the way, you have provided me good insight. I understand you are confused by “ibertarianism” versus “libertarian party”. From now on i will call it “jeffersonianism” to remove all confusion. I am a jeffersonian. So is Ron Paul and others. Mitt Romney, Santorum, and Newt are not. Glenn Beck wasnt, then he was, then he wasnt, and now he thinks he is again
  
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- Face...Palm
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 6:53pm
  Ron Paul is a vote fishing machine.
  
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- No_More_War_Please
  Posted on February 26, 2013 at 2:20pm
  @SATURDAYSWARRIOR76
  
  Ok, you want a litmus test? I have one for you as well as Glenn Beck. If your want to consider yourself a liberty, loving, consitutionalist, libertarian you must embrace the non-aggression principle. If GB wants to be a libertarian he must promote the non-aggression principle on his radio and television programs. Until then I, along with the rest of the libertarian movement, will regard him as nothing more than an establishment shill, which is what he is.
  
  If you need to be informed on exactly what the non-agreession principle is I have linked to it below. I trust that if you truly are libertarian, you will have nothing wrong with Lew Rockwell.
  
  http://www.lewrockwell.com/block/block26.html
  
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Locked
Posted on February 22, 2013 at 3:58pm
Beck is a “libertarian” like how Elizabeth Warren is “Native American.”

Only when it’s politically beneficial, and it only holds up until you look at the claim for more than 2 seconds. The only thing he’s right about is that Libertarianism is a set of ideas. The problem? If the idea, as he says, is “maximum freedom,” there’s no way he meets his own criteria of Libertarianism.

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:06pm
  good point
  
  everyone has a certain amount of libertarian in them. But being 1/32 libertarian does not make you one. I dont have the hubris to call myself libertarian because i value independent thought and not putting people into categories
  
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- UBETHECHANGE
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:12pm
  Get real. Being a libertarian “politically beneficial”?!? We are a small minority.
  
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- Locked
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:13pm
  @Soy
  
  I’m mostly the same. I call myself “fiscally conservative,” because first and foremost, that’s what I am when it comes to politics; then it comes down to individual freedom, but I also have my personal stances on some things as well. While I align closest with libertarians, I disagree with some Libertarian (with a big L) stances… so I’m not a a Libertarian. I’m fine with that; I don’t need a political category.
  
  I feel like Beck is using the Libertarian label to try and adopt some street cred; after the debacle of the 2012 elections, most formerly Republican-labeled pundits are trying to reinvent themselves.
  
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- UNALIEN
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:15pm
  your statement is Fascist and NOT libertarian, see the irony
  
  Conservatism is pragmatic libertarianism and libertarianism is an ideology, strict adherence to an ideology is Fascistic.. which is contrary to libertarian values, In other words if you don’t agree with my libertarian views then your views are not valid. aka Fascism OKEE DOKEE
  
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- Locked
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:27pm
  @Ubethechange
  
  “Get real. Being a libertarian “politically beneficial”?!? We are a small minority.”
  
  Ever since 2012, yes. The GOP realized that they won’t win again unless they change strategy – all of a sudden, libertarians look like a good group to recruit. And coincidentally, Beck now calls himself a Libertarian? It’s not a coincidence at all – it’s an outreach program.
  
  He’s using it for publicity. I don’t condemn his marketing technique (no one likes a loser; aka, the GOP), but I don’t applaud his duplicity. He’s in it for a buck, that’s it.
  
  @Unalien
  
  “your statement is Fascist and NOT libertarian, see the irony”
  
  No, you just seem silly. Now if you sit back cackling and suddenly hear the police pounding at your door, feel free to use your one free call to tell me about fascism.
  
  “Conservatism is pragmatic libertarianism and libertarianism is an ideology, strict adherence to an ideology is Fascistic..”
  
  What makes libertarianism an “ideology,” and not “conservatism?” Are you saying that those who refused to vote for Romney because he wasn’t “conservative” enough were Nazis as well?
  
  “In other words if you don’t agree with my libertarian views then your views are not valid.”
  
  Then you do the grown-up thing, declare it a “No True Scotsman” fallacy, and move on. The problem is – Beck’s views are NOT libertarian; by definition they are socially conservative. They fail even by his own definition of Libertarianism!
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:42pm
  locked I feel like the best way to describe me, you and Beck would be conservative libertarian. There is a clear line in the sand of what that is.
  
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- UNALIEN
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:57pm
  LOCKED
  
  You don’t seem to appreciate the Libertarian paradox, that the principles of individualism require adherence to that ideology, that ideology is a shared one or adherence to a group identity, this breeds intolerance and goes against libertarian values…, Ideological libertarianism doesn’t really exist, though it is defended, it is a basic set of beliefs that are also conservative, but big C, Conservatism is pragmatic as those strict views of libertarianism are not realistic within this social construct. In other words, Ideological libertarian are hypocrites and to maintain that ideology they must denounce Conservatives who share those basic values,, It is the difference between the world you want and the world you can have, You need to drop the poser ideology and accept reality,, That is what constitutes Conservatism… and I don’t think Romney was Conservative enough, but more so than the other guy.. ideological Libertarians are intolerant and that makes them Fascists, YES, if one doesn’t accept everything they are branded a NeoCon, instead of dividing, you need to unite on similarities and then acknowledge what is practical, doable, otherwise you marginalize yourself, you don’t own the libertarian ideas… and you demean the label
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 11:11pm
  locked- Even so, Beck isn’t a strict libertarian and he is for maximum freedom. He has made that abundantly clear.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 1:09am
  beck has had significant influence in this world for at least 7 years….time for glenn beck to take a real stand or do something that has meaning (and i am not talking about gathering people in glenn beck’s honor).
  
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- Locked
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 10:21am
  @Unalien
  
  “You don’t seem to appreciate the Libertarian paradox, that the principles of individualism require adherence to that ideology”
  
  There is no paradox, because Libertarianism isn’t “maximum freedom” like Beck said. It’s keeping the government within the confines of the Constitution, and scaling back all those programs and expenditures which are outside that limited view. At its heart, it’s about “keeping the government out of people’s lives as much as constitutionally possible.” That’s very different from “maximum freedom,” which is anarchy.
  
  So you seem the be the one who is confused, as you’ve had to set up a strawman argument with which to argue!
  
  “In other words, Ideological libertarian are hypocrites and to maintain that ideology they must denounce Conservatives who share those basic values”
  
  Not at all – the problem is that social conservatives wish to use government to enforce moral behavior upon the populace. Libertarians say “If the behavior isn’t regulated by the Constitution, tough luck. Let the states decide (10th amendment). And if it doesn’t hurt anyone else? Then it shouldn’t be legislated.” So which social conservatives and libertarians may share personal values, only one group is trying to force others to act through big government.
  
  In my view, it’s the difference between encouraging people to find Jesus, and forcing them to read the Bible through government mandate.
  
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- Locked
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 10:26am
  @Ubethechange (cont)
  
  I also noticed you never answered my question: do you consider the Evangelicals who refused to vote for Romney in 2012 for being a Mormon “fascists?” What about the social conservatives who said he wasn’t conservative enough to win their votes? Nazis as well?
  
  @DLV
  
  “Even so, Beck isn’t a strict libertarian and he is for maximum freedom. He has made that abundantly clear.”
  
  I agree he isn’t a strict libertarian; I disagree that he’s for maximum freedom, and it’s abundantly clear that neither maximum freedom or the rise of libertarianism are his goals. As said – he’s using the label to market himself as something other than “Republican” or “conservative,” because nobody bets on a losing horse. As soon as 2016 comes around, you know he’ll back a candidate based on social conservatism, not on libertarian principles.
  
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- Locked
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 10:44am
  Edit: Sorry, that continued post was to Unalien, not Ubethechange
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 25, 2013 at 7:02pm
  Locked- Like I said in the past, Beck is a conservative libertarian. I should rephrase it and say he is for the most freedom as possible without compromising certain core conservative principles. For instance, he is for the legalization of drugs. I guess you could say most conservatives are not for that.
  
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on February 22, 2013 at 3:58pm
LOL, SOYBOMB, so Ann Coulter just called you a papa uniform sierra sierra yankee! Imagine that.

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:07pm
  pardon?
  
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- Locked
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:14pm
  @Soy
  
  The first letters of each word.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:24pm
  thats fine. ann coultre wanted McCain, then Christie, then Romney. I dont want her on my side for anything
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:56pm
  Rj- Come on now really…
  
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- GuruMeditation
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:03pm
  Hahahaha…. Soy get with it. Geez.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:13pm
  i thought it ended in “ie” and not “y” – my mistake
  
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- crz2bhappy
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 7:20pm
  hilllllarious
  
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Common Sense 24
Posted on February 22, 2013 at 3:57pm
Why would any Libertarian trust Mr. Beck since he and his network used every resource they had to run daily articles bashing the only Constitutional Libertarian candidate in the last election because of his “radical” foreign policy that Mr. Beck now tries to trot out as being in favor of? It was pathetic how the Beck crew feigned outrage over Pauls earmarks; however, were completely fine backing the Progressive Republican who put forth the blueprint for socialized medicine. I haven’t forgotten the relentless bashing we Libertarians sustained this last election from Mr Beck and crew. Hard not to say eff you after we wanted your support in the last election and the treatment we got.

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- UBETHECHANGE
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:39pm
  Why did Ron Paul have an R after his name?
  
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- Common Sense 24
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:52pm
  Because the electoral college would never allow anyone except one of the 2 parties.
  
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- UBETHECHANGE
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:46pm
  Why did Ron Paul endorse Pat Buchanan for President in 1992?
  
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UNALIEN
Posted on February 22, 2013 at 3:57pm
Nazis no, Fascists absolutely, well the hard core intolerant ones… a vocal minority

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civilwarcometh
Posted on February 22, 2013 at 3:57pm
Why does everyone focus on the POT issue for?? It’s either pot or gay marriage WTF! I’m pretty much done with all politics now. Everyone has lost their damn minds…

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- GoodStuff
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:00pm
  “Why does everyone focus on the POT issue for?? It’s either pot or gay marriage WTF!”
  
  Because, as Coulter (despite her flaws) points out…libertarians want the Left to like them. They’re too cowardly to address the big issues. So pot and **** “marriage” it is.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:08pm
  @Civilwar
  
  it is part of their saul alinsky strategy. If they can portray you as something you are not and in a negative light – they will certainly do it.
  
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- progressiveslayer
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:16pm
  I don’t know why they’re hung up on the pot issue since tobacco kills millions yet it’s legal. The marriage issue,do I like to see same sex marriage? Personally no I don’t like it but the state should stay out of such issues.
  
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- civilwarcometh
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:17pm
  I’m for the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. I’m not for any party. I’m NOT a libertarian I’m NOT a Conservative I’m NOT a Republican I’m NOT a democrat and I’m NOT a progressive. I AM AN AMERICAN!!! Take your political brand names and shove’em….
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:09pm
  civilwar- of course names can’t always encompass everything but the point of them is so people can get idea of what you believe in. Are they 100% correct? No but very few things are. There is legitimacy to the names.
  
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- GuruMeditation
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:46pm
  @civilwarcometh: I am down with shoving the political brands where the sun don’t shine and I do think many have lost their minds.
  
  cat /dev/null > /dev/generalpublic/conscience
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 7:17pm
  For those who actually understand the scriptures, this argument is moot. As a nation, the U.S. has made the mistake of confusing personal liberty with spiritual salvation. Can a conservative be a real conservative and cheat on his taxes? Can a woman be virtuous and sleep around? Can an American be free if he is tied to the system? I find that most people are cowards and can’t openly express how they feel….if they can even define it. Until we can”individually” reach a state of grace where we can trust ourselves with liberty, we get only captivity. The only “LIBERTY” is a clear conscience and loving heart. These are only available through the love of truth. Everything else is a poor imitation. Politics is inherently, debasing and dishonest.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 8:33pm
  does our government exist to enforce God’s Law?
  
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- S-O-B-E-R
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 10:02pm
  A snippet from today’s Oswald Chambers’ My Utmost for his Highest: “The greatest fear a man has is not that he will be damned, but that Jesus Christ will be worsted, that the things He stood for – love and justice and forgiveness and kindness among men – will not win out in the end; the things He stands for look like will-o’-the-wisps. Then comes the call to spiritual tenacity, not to hang on and do nothing, but to work deliberately on the certainty that God is not going to be worsted. If our hopes are being disappointed just now, it means that they are being purified. There is nothing noble the human mind has ever hoped for or dreamed of that will not be fulfilled. One of the greatest strains in life is the strain of waiting for God. ‘Because thou has kept the word of my patience.’ Remain spiritually tenacious.”
  
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raybaker35
Posted on February 22, 2013 at 3:56pm
I’m a libertarian….. Kind of.
Right now we don’t stand a chance agains Hillary Clinton.
NOT A CHANCE
NOT EVEN CLOSE
SHE WILL DESTROY EVERYONE SHE RUNS AGAINST.
WE ARE 1% OF THE VOTING PUBLIC.
ME?
I THINK WE ARE DONE AND I DONT THINK THAT WE CAN COME BACK FROM BARRY THE RACIST MARXIST.
gloomy doomy?
no
the truth.
America as we used to know it is dead.
And all of you reading this knows its to late.
Rand doesnt have a chance against Hillary
Or Christy for that matter.And christy just said that he agrees with Cuomo 98% of the time.
wow

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- GoodStuff
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:01pm
  SHE WILL DESTROY EVERYONE SHE RUNS AGAINST.
  
  Oh really? Is that why she won in 2008? Oh wait….
  
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- DEFCON4
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:56pm
  @ Good stuff,
  I believe that was the plan. Have Hillary lose the primary to Obama and then
  appoint her to Sec.of State. This gave Hillary the chance to garner ‘global-
  acclaim’ and national security credentials (by 2016, Benghazi will be erased
  by the Left).
  So, in 2016 the Democratic-voting-machine will ‘roll-out’ “Hillary – Castro”
  Hillary would be the 1st female President and Congressman Joaquin’ Castro
  the 1st hispanic Vice-President. (I write this with a heavy-heart).
  
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progressiveslayer
Posted on February 22, 2013 at 3:55pm
People try to make this more complicated than it is,just govern within the bounds of the constitution and we’ll be okay. It’s only when you get into this mindset that we have all these so called ‘rights’ and government will through confiscatory taxation ensure those ‘rights’ that we run into problems. I don’t want to shock anyone but we don’t have the right to healthcare a house or ‘free’ money from the taxpayers. Our rights are listed in the bill of rights and it’s mostly what the government can’t do to you.

The regime currently in power is conducting a war on the constitution and if you can’t see that then you’re too far gone,thoroughly indoctrinated into the belief that government is the be all end all to all our problems. I would submit that government is the problem because it’s filled with power hungry control freaks ie collectivists bent on micro managing our lives and the ‘R’s and the ‘D’s are essentially the same,I call it the big government party and it’s rotting our republic from within.

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- SHASTADIANE1
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:12pm
  Totally agree with your statements.
  
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- lynnissmart
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:14pm
  I agree with you…well said!
  
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- gyro
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:27pm
  Quote — *conducting a war on the constitution *
  They want the right to fragment ? so If you cant beat then divide them ?
  If this is the case we should see in the near future talking heads on cnn agreeing with GOP policies
  See if you are war to destroy the constitution try something easy —- Do what genghis con did dont even leave home just send a *letter* and a #head# in a bag and you win
  (replace letter with *media* and head with a political sap like #Chris Christie# who would sell out his mother)
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 8:26pm
  PROGSLAYER….On the surface you are are correct. I have a deeper need these days. The conflict I see is thousands of years in the making and all our talk and planning and politics will not make the end of this any easier or less bloody. There are many, in this polarized affair, that find capitulation, unthinkable…on both sides.
  Choosing sides, seems easy for some, and a puzzle for others. By the time most have figured out what is what and which is which, it will be over, and the dazzling light will shine upon the “Children of God.” The only people who are redeemed. We NEED moral imperatives.
  Everyone gets what they have prepared themselves for….. nothing more, nothing less.
  Time, itself will prove, just how temporal, are our realities.
  
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All Pro
Posted on February 22, 2013 at 3:54pm
Glenn Beck s no more a libertarian than John McCain or Mitt Romney are! He’s no more a libertarian than Geraldo Rivera is a republican!

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- UBETHECHANGE
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:18pm
  I’d like to know where the test is for being a libertarian.
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:11pm
  All Pro- Yeah he is. Just because he disagrees with a few libertarians doesn’t make him not a libertarian. Or at least is part of one. I still think he is a conservative libertarian like me.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:14pm
  @DLV
  He might be. But glenn has not acted like it over the last few years
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:26pm
  Soy- If you’re referring to the candidates he supports, I agree he made a mistake and didn’t really think these things through. Some people make minor mistakes some make major ones. Sometimes I feel bad for Glenn but he still preaches the truth even if it doesn’t always line up. Believe me, I’ve heard of worse from people I like more. Take David in the bible for instance, he was awesome but he made some severe mistakes. So has Glenn. I still think he is awesome only he over states things, gets a bit angry, doesn’t always follow his ideology word for word etc. Everyone does it. He just has more influence than you and I.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:31pm
  it was not a mistake – like he mispoke or anything. He knew what he was doing. Personally, i think he was either too coward or didnt want to lose his audience
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 5:37pm
  Well he didn’t misspeake, I meant he made a mistake on the candidate he supported. I think he 1) picked a candidate who he thought could win. Mistakenly. He even admitted Romney wasn’t even in his top 5 but he supported him because he was willing to do anything to bring down the progressive machine. But I digress. It makes sense, he said it, so I’m sticking with it.
  
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- DRSAVAGE24
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 8:35pm
  If Romney wasn’t in his top 5, I wonder who was? Who do you think he preferred, Romney or Ron Paul, if he had to choose between the two? This is where many liberty people get upset, not just with Glenn, but with all of talk radio and Fixed News. These guys claim to be conservative, yet over basically one issue (foreign policy), they completely dismiss a certain candidate while supporting other candidates without a conservative bone in their body.
  
  Want to talk about fascist, Glenn? How about you refusing to support Ron Paul because he’s not hawkish enough on foreign policy? Sounds like you’re the one with a “purity” test, not us. If you were rational, you’d be less fascist and nazi-like and say, “I disagree with Ron Paul’s foreign policy, but I agree with him on nearly everything else, so I’ll support him.” Instead, you fall into the trap Ben Franklin warned us about, thinking our security is just too important, so important that it’s worth bankrupting the country and stripping us of our freedoms, so you support Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum, and other anti-liberty, big spenders over the statesman Ron Paul. And you’re assuming that going to war with the entire middle east makes us more secure. How secure are we if our extravagant foreign policy bankrupts us and a billion Muslims hate us?
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 8:54pm
  @DRSAVAGE24
  The irony is that now glenn beck says on his radio program that we need to pull our troops out of afganistan and iraq. Glenn also now agrees that we dont need bases all over europe…..
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 11:15pm
  Dr. Savage- As Soy says the election laws in this country are crap and so the libertarian candidate has no chance of winning and for whatever reason RP was losing the primaries. I think the most likely explanation is that he supported Romney because he was the most likely to win and had the greatest chance against the Progressive Machine.
  
  Also in the coming years, foreign policy is going to be insanely important. If RP doesn’t have that right it’s an explanation of why Beck didn’t support. To be honest, I wish I could just interview Beck myself and get straightforward honest answers. I’d pretty much be asking all the questions you people are asking.
  
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- DLV
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 11:34pm
  Soy- when did Glenn say we needed bases all over Europe?
  
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- Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 11:55pm
  DLV:
  Does NOT need bases all over Europe. I was in the military for 22 years, and we don’t need all these bases in Japan and in Europe. NATO should foot their own bills and since the 90′s we should have been setting our bases to a caretaker status and pull all the troops and planes out. Instead of constantly shutting down stateside bases, we can shut down all these NATO bases.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 12:19am
  @DLV
  Over the past few years, glenn beck has labeled ron paul isolationist many times because ron paul wants to pull out troops back from middle east and europe.
  
  But i have heard glenn beck make a complete 180 the last couple months a couple times on the radio. Beck now mostly agrees with the ron paul foreign policy but still says it is what makes ron paul untouchable. And he still calls ron paul isolationist (heard it on the chris kyle death tweet)….old habits are hard to break i guess
  
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gyro
Posted on February 22, 2013 at 3:53pm
bad choice of words Glenn this will bite you in the ass in the future ?

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- DRSAVAGE24
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 8:15pm
  Yes. After listening to this, I’m shaking my head.
  
  I haven’t been a liberty Republican since birth. I supported establishment Republicans in 2008. It was well-intentioned Ron Paul/liberty people who befriended me over the last couple years and convinced me that Ron Paul was the candidate to support. I was skeptical and I questioned them and instead of attacking me like “fascists” they listened to me and calmly answered my questions and welcomed me to their group. There was no arrogance or condescension in them, just happy to have another ally in the group.
  
  I witnessed much more fascist behavior from the Republican establishment at the RNC with their rules changes and stripping the Maine delegates of their seats than I will ever see from a liberty loving Ron Paul supporter. Shame on Beck for saying this. Not into name-calling, but what a jerk. We’re more fascist than anything in the Republican party? You’re either completely ignorant and paid no attention to the RNC in Tampa or you are deliberately misrepresenting liberty people and Ron Paul supporters. Shame on you.
  
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- gyro
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 7:42pm
  DRSAVAGE24 — I think Beck was some how sending a message but do think the words he used were wrong
  
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13th Imam
Posted on February 22, 2013 at 3:52pm
Was listening to Glenn while driving today and all I could picture was the screaming teakettle of SoyBean and Always Cranky. But they, like the prog DEMOCRATS will never tame their hubris.

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Southernsoul
Posted on February 22, 2013 at 3:51pm
Surprise, you have kook Libertarians just like you have kook everything else. Libertarianism is a large tent that spans a wide spectrum of philosophies. Just because one group says one thing doesn’t mean we all fall in lockstep with them. I realize that idea might be hard for some to understand.

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- tonypro
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 3:58pm
  It’s really pretty simple, it’s called individualism.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:18pm
  no they want to characterize everyone as believing in the same exact thing – act like you are a robot….liberals do the same thing
  
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grimmster
Posted on February 22, 2013 at 3:51pm
As ive said, libertarians have no core,be it values or idealog,save for the “limited” govt. stance.Libertarians are a divided lot, though most all believe in limited govt. once past that,they branch out to either liberal or conservative ldeology.Conservatism,imho is the only idology, that will save this nation,not liberal commies, who want total govt.,or so called libertarians, who fight over whether legalising pot should be on the agenda….

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- KidCharlemagne
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:33pm
  From 1789 to 1914 (it’s first 125 years), America had no federal drug laws whatsoever….
  
  It was only during the Progressive Era of the early portion of the 20th century in which America’s initial drug laws began appearing on the books.
  
  So how is it that Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, etc. never needed nor even asked for any drug laws to be created by Congress??
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 22, 2013 at 4:37pm
  yes there are many types of libertarians like there are many types of republicans….why is that such a difficult concept?
  
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- Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 12:42am
  Soy, I actually agree with you. I am a libertarian, I have been one since the early 90′s, and there are many things I agree with that Ron Paul supports, and there are many things I don’t agree with. Same with the Republicans. So you are very correct, there are many types of libertarians, just like there are many types of people, not just two types that most people try to label everyone, either right or wrong.
  
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