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New York Army Vet Facing 7 Years in Prison Over Empty Ammo Magazines

Feb. 23, 2013 3:21pm Madeleine Morgenstern

New York Army Veteran Facing 7 Years in Prison Over Empty Ammo Magazines

Army veteran Nate Haddad is facing seven years in prison for possessing several empty ammunition magazines. (Image source: WGRZ-TV)

An Army veteran in New York is facing up to seven years in prison for possessing five empty 30-round ammunition magazines.

Nate Haddad told WGRZ-TV he was parked on a road last month waiting to meet someone interested in buying them off him when police approached. According to the station, the magazines were for an AR-15 rifle, the same type of weapon Haddad once carried in combat. Magazines over 10 rounds have been illegal in New York since 1994, unless they were manufactured before the law went into effect. Haddad says he thought his were legal, until he found out otherwise.

“I certainly did not think I was committing a felony crime by having these,” Haddad told WGRZ. “My understanding of what I had in my possession was that it was manufactured before 1994, but the arresting officers told me otherwise after I showed them the magazines that I had in my possession.”

Haddad — who retired from 12 years of active duty in 2010 after sustaining a shoulder injury — now faces five counts of criminal weapons possession, punishable by up to seven years in prison. An online fund for his defense started by his brother has raised more than $40,000.

He was offered a deal this week to plead guilty to five misdemeanor counts and avoid jail time, but declined — citing, for one, how it would impact his job at Fort Drum, where he still works as a civilian employee.

There’s another reason too: “Even if I took that deal I would still be branded as a criminal, and I don’t think I should be,” Haddad said.

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Comments (459)

maggiepie
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:01pm
Left NY nine years ago. Tired of high taxes. It seems things have gotten a lot worse.
Glad I’m out.

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- Dirtdigger67
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:34pm
  19 years for me the best move I have ever made . The liberals have trashed that state or should I have said the commies have trashed that state just like they want to do everywhere I say hang them !!!
  
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- banjarmon
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:36pm
  Where are the OATH KEEPERS IN New York???? SHAME on these officers for not honoring their oath!!!
  
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- The_Jerk
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:41pm
  America is a federal prison.
  
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- JTX
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:55pm
  I left for TX back in 2001
  
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- 000degrees
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:57pm
  We will see more and more of this until we decide enough is too much….
  
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- Trigus
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:59pm
  Someone please arrest these officers. the magazines they are carrying are High-apacity and violate NY law. There is no provision in New York law that exempts the Police.
  
  Fraternal Order of Police should do a mandatory 5 day Blue Flu in New York.
  
  People need to leave Anti-American States like New York and California. Stop doing business with them, businesses located in their State, and goods grown or produced. Full Boycott – no conventions or vacations – let them know we will not do business with Anti-American States that freely Infringe on the Constitutional Rights of Americans.
  
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- civilwarcometh
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 5:08pm
  I post this 20 days ago.. http://weaselzippers.us/2013/02/02/decorated-combat-veteran-does-a-david-gregory-results-in-five-felony-counts/
  
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- rcguy
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 5:27pm
  Left the Bronx in 1973 and moved to Florida. That was forty years ago and I have never been back. Still a New York Yankee fan but they spring train in Tampa and play the Tampabay Rays during the regular season. I belong to a shooting club, hunt , boat, fish, golf and enjoy living as a free man. My children and grand kids were born in Florida and know what it is like to grow up in a free state. I will give my life and fortune to keep it that way.
  
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- V-MindMeld
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 5:37pm
  Born and raised in WNY love the the smell of grapes , the falls, the snow, the lake fishing,,,,,but cant stand the liberals in the state and the crushing taxes,so im in beautiful NC at the coast, but still must return to see family…….I so wish conservitives ruled the state, I might would consider going back home one day….
  
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- Glock29
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 5:40pm
  What a cesspool….I do not understand why anyone would live there. I am sure there will be many more leaving since they passed even more draconian firearms laws.
  
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- Derek01
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 5:44pm
  The only ones doing the assaulting are libs. Assaulting our Constitution. Assaulting the American people. The only assault weapon I know of is liberal philosophy. These cowards are a cancer on American society and should be removed
  
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- redfish52
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 5:47pm
  Yep…let them try and put him in jail and wait for the uproar….Oh I hope Cuomo is going to try to make an example of him so the good people of NYC will finally say…enough is enough.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 5:51pm
  @banjarmon, The oathkeepers are traitors and criminals who attempt to justify breaking their oath behind lies. Any active member of the service or police officer who is also a member of that confederate organization deserves to be either dishonorably discharged or fired with a loss of al benefits. The police kept their oath, they followed the laws of the state of New York, its the criminal attempting to sell the illegal magazines that broke the law.
- RepubliCorp
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 6:09pm
  X Buffalo guy here…… and now you why I am a X
  
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- RabidPatriot
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 6:10pm
  It is always interesting to read about the people that live progressivist countries like New York. I’m glad that I still live in America.
  
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- bhink73
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 7:18pm
  Other than living in WA state during my enlistment I have always lived in upstate NY. I used to love it here in rural NY. I have 2 small kids and a small “gentleman’s farm” with horses and chickens. My wife and I have a pretty good income from the private sector considering how this sh@t hole state is run. My company has expanded into Texas and my wife has a very lucrative job lined up out there. So to Texas we go! Leaving behind the growing unemployment, growing retirment/ entitlement pensions created by the blood sucking CSEA. Thank you Cuomo for coming out and offending my love of the constitution! I have seen the light and will be packing up my tax footprint to Texas. The magazines I have are larger and carry more rounds but unlike your newest victim of communism…are loaded. I didn’t risk my life defending my country just to lower my head to and show my belly to the same type of tyrant’s that I fought! FU Cuomo!
  
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- mercenary4freedom
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 7:30pm
  ENCINOM, what do you know about keeping an oath to the USConstitution & Bill of Rights? By the looks of posts you make on here about the only allegiance to any oath I see you defending is the communist manifesto and that goes for all your fellow media matters troll **** buddies.
  
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- siguy62
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 7:40pm
  I just left a few months back.
  
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- A.D.Hominem
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 7:50pm
  @Mercenary
  
  Ignore Encinom. He’s just a ****-plug troll with a weepy hole that has nothing to say. The only oath he honors is to his idiotic, liberal ideology of self-delusion and Obamanitis. Pity him if you must; I choose ridicule since it’s all he/she/it is worth. Same for you, YourSenSei, Wango, whatever you’ve cowardly renamed yourself.
  
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- zardozwildman
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 7:54pm
  Reminds me of an old Randy Newman song…
  
  Hate New York City
  It’s cold and it’s damp
  And all the people dressed like monkeys
  Let’s leave Chicago to the Eskimos
  That town’s a little bit too rugged
  For you and me you bad girl
  
  I HATE NY! (WE HATE IT!)
  I HATE NY! (WE HATE IT!)
  
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- DefyTYRANNY
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 7:59pm
  Hahaha, Troll, you are so stupid as to give stupid people a bad name.
  
  The “Oath” is to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic.
  
  Anyone who enforces such “State Laws” are breaking that Oath.
  
  Good luck with your ackbasswards line of reasoning. Minus the reason part because you don’t grasp the whole concept of critical thinking.
  
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- LasVegasRon
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 8:32pm
  @encinom You really are a special kind of stupid.
  
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- dadnoonan
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 8:51pm
  Any citizen can nullify a law by ignoring it and setting the man free. I hope sensible people of NY let him go free. This is not a crime. Wish beck would let people know this simple answer to politicians and silly laws.
  
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- RedDawn2012
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 8:53pm
  Encinom, you still wearing those jackboots? Still click your heels? Still got your brownshirt uniform? You are something else! We should put you in a museum.
  
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- bucanero
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 9:40pm
  NY is no longer the state we used to know. That state is sinking in debt and crime while their politicians are degrading themselves and degrading the people they are supposed to be representing. I used to love it when I visited for the very first time when I was a child but now I rather live and travel to red states where quality of life is way better.
  
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- Toltepeceno
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 9:43pm
  encinom What’s the matter? Your mother bite you when you got home to the kennel tonight?
  
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- 1947
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 10:19pm
  Gun makers get the HE__ out of New York while getting is good, your next says the New York GOV. He’s going or working on a way to close you down and not let you leave the State. Obama and him are working together………Sounds like a “SOCIALISTS MOVEMENT” and they are working together……
  
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- muffythetuffy
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 10:20pm
  WHAT A STUPID LAW
  
  How did the police find out? Who told them? Was his phone illegally tapped?
  
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- 1947
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 10:45pm
  Sounds like New York State has a “Tyrannical Leader.” It’s looks and sounds like the Legacy of a Dictator…..is coming to light……Does this sound like the “Third Reich” is coming back to life….. ?
  
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- Al J Zira
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 10:51pm
  ENCINOM: It’s illegal to sell guns to drug lords then have the president use executive privilege to hide the issues. It’s illegal to let 4 Americans die without lifting a finger then sweep it under the rug like nothing happened. It’s also illegal to continuously usurp the constitution through executive orders. Executive orders are not for making laws and it’s illegal to do so. But I giess that doesn’t matter so much. Twit!
  
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- Trigus
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 11:11pm
  Interesting Question: Since NY had no provision in the Gun and Magazine ban for Police or Military. How many active Military Personnel will be arrest in the Anti-American State of New York? 71, 197 military personnel including Reserves and National Guard who are now in Jeopardy of violating NY STATE Gun and Magazine Ban. Last I checked: the Military uses “Assault Style Weapons” and have High capacity Magazines.
  
  I think it is time for the US Military to close all bases in NY and move to a Pro-American State that does not willfully Infringe on the Constitutional Rights of Americans.
  
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- manchu4life
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 11:26pm
  I remember a time in this country when veterans were respected. I hope this cop caught an earful for his great bust by his fellow officers that are veterans but then again it is NY so he’ll probably get a comendation.
  
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- Ohello
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 11:26pm
  I disagree with tigus: People in NY need to citizen’s arrest police and politicians that violate Constitutional principles. Practically, this means the citizens of the USA need to find and take control of the FEMA camps and the coffins. Each coffin needs to be stenciled with the political perp’s name and the use GOOGLE to find and apprehend the perps. THERE ARE PLENTY OF FEMA CAMPS in NY to provide the assets needed to incarcerate those treasonous to the CONSTITUTION.
  
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- Ollie123
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 12:08am
  so this is the new america, a vet fights and goes into harms way to protect the shitheads that want to put him in jail over 5 empty mag’s, some heads need to roll, not figuratively but lterally
  
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- marssnw
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 12:57am
  The police that arrested this man are idiots. Why don’t they try and arrest real criminals like rapist, pedophiles, drug dealers and murderers. Not a guy that is practicing his second amendment right. I hope he gets some lawyers to back him up for free. We need to make a statement to these Stalin loving morons.
  
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- JokerWatcher
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 3:29am
  Left Long Island, NY for Florida. Definite quality of life improvement including aquiring wealth that NY would otherwise have confiscated. Now I have a large tract of acreage close to the city, homes, an office building, waterfront property, vehicles, and everything paid in full, no mortgage or payments of any type. My wife has 500 necklaces, jewelry, diamonds, minks. I have a 22k gold necklace & earrings from Dubai that she hasn’t even seen yet. Bought in the same gold store where Seagal and Nick Cage shop. I have close to a $million in accts in one bank alone. I came to Fla broke, broke, sucked dry. Why am I telling you private stuff? Because it’s all yours too for the taking if you’re industrious, but you’ll never get it by letting the blood suckers continue to dine on you, you’re doomed. Look at yourselves as worth more than what they consider you, for Heaven’s sake. Take control, flee the parasities. NY is a joker state, and I know jokers, been watching them for a while now, and they only thrive because of the ones who roll over and let them continue to feast on their sweat and tears….
  
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- betterpart
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 4:30am
  I’m on your 6, maggiepie.
  
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- Wojciech W.
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 4:50am
  he knows better, he deserves to go to jail. especially for living in ny.(thats a joke, for all you trolls out there)
  
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- old white guy
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 8:55am
  it is time to start locking up the morons who both pass laws such as this and those who think it is ok to enfroce them. this is the same mentality that allows human beings to force other human beings into gas chambers.
  
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- Baddoggy
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 9:18am
  If he is arrested and sentenced we need to go rip the doors off the prison and let him out! The second ammendment is on the line!
  
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- James
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 11:10am
  And David Gregory gets off Scott free! I believe we are at the beginning of a Civil Disturbance or are we really already there? I’m thinking the latter!
  
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- pearlnpeter
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 11:15am
  You are lucky. I am aching to go, but waiting toil I can retire.
  
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- LaTxGuy
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 11:16am
  This is a shock, drug dealers get less time!! i miss Connecticut but live in the freedom of the south. The Liberals will get theirs, what goes around will come back at you. They will soon enough find that others will take their places as scavengers;socailist are like that, no loyalties in their world. It happened in the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany. I have my freedoms here in Louisiana/Texas/Oklahoma. I am an advid gun collector, some would call me a terriorist will my combat tours but i say patriot. They in NYC cannot tell the difference.
  
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- Sour Pea
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 11:48am
  Too bad that the government has to create criminals instead of doing their job of fighting crime. I think that either the police don’t have enough to do or they are afraid of doing their REAL job.
  
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- Tunimpeded
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 12:02pm
  Let me first comment, I am a retired soldier, NRA Instructor, CCH Instructor and FFL Holder. Taking all the politics out of this story and what we feel about the unjust tactics of what took place, the bottom line is, he was wrong. We argue that we are law abiding citizens and feel that our constitution is in danger but this individual is indeed a criminal. First, like it or not, the magazines are illegal in NY. Second, the magazines in his possession were Government Property which he stole and was attempting to illegally sell. Face the fundamental fact here, wrong is wrong.
- kg4boe
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 12:15pm
  The soldier said this: “Even if I took that deal I would still be branded as a criminal, and I don’t think I should be,” Haddad said.
  No Sir. You are not a criminal. Those who are charging you are criminals.
  
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- tonypro
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 12:18pm
  The fact that n.y. is a testing ground, and is run by the u.n. is all you really need to know about it.
  
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- Durvy
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 12:27pm
  The law he was arrested on is truly Unconstitutional. It should be struck down immediately as should their newest Safe Act they passed at midnight. This retired Soldier should be released and the law in place is UNCONSTITUTIONAL!
  
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- TexasTall
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 12:34pm
  Went to New York twice — the first and the last time. I have a nephew living there, and of course he’s a liberal actor whose dad is a liberal lawyer. Although I love him and would like to see him, I’ll not be going to NY –not even for him. I feel the same way about California, and although the weather is lovely, I’ll not be going there again for any reason. I’ll spend my money here in Texas.
  
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- TforWV
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 12:55pm
  I just have one question, I have been aroud allot of rifle magazines and I’m unaware of manufacturing date on them….So, How are you or the cops know when they were made?….I’ve never seen one with “pre-or-post 1994 made”….Did they say and I missed it?
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 1:55pm
  How’s that freedom you fought for working out? Next on their agenda is to name you a mental health risk and take all the rest of your rights away.
  
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- maggieglitz
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 2:17pm
  I’m 68 and my DH is 69. He feels that if we “were younger”, we’d leave, too. I’ve lived in Central NY all my life; I do not see any hope for our state now with the bunch that’s governing now. I hope this army soldier can “beat” his rap….Cuomo also want to up the ante on abortions…any time, any place for any reason. Where’s HONOUR AND INTEGRITY??
  
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- Maji
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 2:56pm
  How can a state law become a federal crime
  if it isn’t a federal crime to begain with???
  
  What am I missing?
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 4:15pm
  You are spot on, Maji. Remember, New York is not ‘obligated’ to give permits. They ‘may issue’ them as they see fit….what smiley-faced Orwellian tactics.
  
  Oh, you can say whatever you want. In this location, at this time.
  
  Under the freeway every second Tuesday when it rains. Oh and it has to be a downpour, a little drizzle won’t do.
  
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- Bum thrower
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 7:28pm
  Dirtdigger67: I’ll whip the horses!!
  
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- Todd Hoke
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 8:09pm
  Mr. and/or Mrs. ENCINOM,
  
  This is what you must know:
  
  You’re an idiot.
  
  It is so.
  
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- stage9
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 11:01pm
  New York is a state for idiots like any other liberal state. And it’s more than just the lawmakers there; it’s the idiots who elect them.
  
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- jst1425
  Posted on February 25, 2013 at 5:29am
  OK……Why not put THIS GUY in prison??
  
  DAVID GREGORY….
  
  http://news.msn.com/us/police-investigate-nbc-news-anchor-for-displaying-ammunition-magazine-on-air
  
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- ejizzle_69
  Posted on February 25, 2013 at 6:17am
  never been heard there was alot of nice tourist attractions but now with the gun control laws and the soda bans who the hell would to be in the nanny state
  
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- jaylew
  Posted on February 25, 2013 at 7:42am
  The citizens of the State of New York elected the buffoons who legislated these laws. It is actually difficult to feel one ounce of pity for anyone who still remains behind in that state. Aside from one of the…. if not the highest personal tax burdens in the entire country….sophomoric regulations all the way down to table salt, French Fry oil and the size of Coca- Cola cups…..and the millions of greasy headed mouth breathing liberals who love living there……just exactly what does the state of New York actually offer the regular Joes and Kathys of the world? Nothing. If the New York land you live in and on becomes so diseased with social dysfunction and regulatory tyranny…then as painful as it is….you must leave that land behind in it’s death throe. New York is hardly ascending the ladder of a prosperous future…..it is the East Coast 2013 version of Julius Ceasar and Nero’s Rome. Escape from that place while you still can New York citizens…..lest you wake up someday soon with show tunes blaring from your iPods…..and Chuckie Schumer bobble head dolls banging their empty vacuous heads on your front doors.
  
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- Dismayed Veteran
  Posted on February 25, 2013 at 12:03pm
  “You may all go to hell and I will go to Texas” (Davy Crockett). This sums up why a person should leave New York state.
  
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- Maji
  Posted on February 25, 2013 at 2:27pm
  TUNIMPEDE
  Where does it say the mags were Gov. issue??
  it says “like” the ones he used in a AR15 in service.
  They’re millions “like” the ones used in service.
  
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- 2gether
  Posted on February 25, 2013 at 3:47pm
  My question is how many misdemeanors did David Gregory have to plead to as he waved the mag clip around on his national TV show after he was INFORMED it was a felony and NOT to do it? Same law different jurisdiction. Only difference…who you are and the money you have behind you to bail your ass out! Our leaders are pathetic! Wake up America before it is too late.
  
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- Di4freedom
  Posted on February 27, 2013 at 12:37pm
  I was born and raised in WNY and have lived in many other states being in the Air Force. I love the beauty of upstate NY but the taxes are criminal and our representatives are selling out the state for their own gain. It is hard to breath the government is into every part of our lives. I plan to leave the state as soon as my family obligations have been resolved. My question is what state to go to? I want to spend the remaining part of my life where I have maximum freedom from government interference.
  
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Look4DBigPicture
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:01pm
“My understanding of what I had in my possession was that it was manufactured before 1994, but the arresting officers told me otherwise…”

Socialism/communism at work here. Because laws are constantly changing, and are rarely publicized, it’s hard for anyone to know whether they’re breaking a law. We cannot allow our gov’y to get away with sending one of our veterans to prison for something as harmless as having old empty ammunition magazines. This is the epitome of a gov’t run amuck.

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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:11pm
  Freedom, integrity, honesty, fairness etc. mean nothing to statist goons interested only in their pensions and retirement benefits. Get these goons alone without 10 guys backing them up and see how they behave. Totally different animal then. Many good cops will fall because they will be mistaken for creeps like this. And that sucks.
  
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- wilbstal
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:28pm
  NY will eventual be a war zone and all the 2nd amendment violators and people will be caught and hopefuly shot for their crimes. This is payback for being a Communist bastard in NY Cuomo is another Putin or sadaam as well as every politician that voted for these Communistic NY Laws. When American Cops and state police go aginst their oaths to protect Americans they will get punished severley. THey are Unionized this tells me where each one of them Communist stand, this is easy to figure out who they support Obama. You see its the power and benefits you dont have but its okay for them to have. Sound familiar Communist operate this way.
  
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- Xylliab_of_the_Znarghh
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:32pm
  1994 was 18 years ago when Sergeant Haddad was 14 years old, so neither the law was changed so recently he didn’t know about it nor he’s had the magazines so long he can’t remember when he got them is a very good excuse.
  
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- helicop
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 5:04pm
  I’ve been a cop for 22 years, since I got out of the Marines. I refused to join a union when some international police union outfit tried to get us to way back. Thank God the board of supervisors in the county I work for told the union to go pound sand. They flatly refused to recognize unionization and refused to bargain with them which pretty much put it to rest. Of course, I live in a right to work state in the south rather than a douchebag union state in the north where they are oh so popular.
  
  I won’t give agency names or ranks but suffice it to say, after 22 years, I’m a high ranking officer. I would hang up the badge before following any unconstitutional order. ANY UNCONSTITUTIONAL ORDER. I swore to protect and defend the constituion when I joined the Corps and I still consider that my most sacred oath. I will definitely be on the side of the individual citizen when the time comes.
  
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- civilwarcometh
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 5:14pm
  Yes pure Communism… http://weaselzippers.us/2013/02/23/obama-using-victims-as-props-again-with-we-demand-a-vote-campaign/
  
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- ALL4FREEDOM
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 6:05pm
  He needs to demand a trial by a “jury of his peers”, his peers being military vets, one and all. Let’s see how hard we can push back against this idiocy.
  
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- Quagmir
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 7:34pm
  Im not sure why everyone is protecting him. He broke the law and is a criminal. I am a Vet as well and based on this article I would find him guilty. His biggest crime is living in NY though. Yes we have a 2nd amendment right but we also have a 10th amendment. You should really read up on it…
  
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- Xylliab_of_the_Znarghh
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 7:38pm
  ALL4FREEDOM
  You don’t get to define peers more narrowly than fellow citizens. If you could, nobody would ever get convicted of anything.
  
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- A.D.Hominem
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 8:24pm
  @Xylophone_Discordance
  
  Perhaps you should reconsider your remark to All4Freedom. Just because you decide to lump yourself in with any “common citizen” as your peerage doesn’t mean I have to do the same. Take your “French Revolution” understanding of “citizen” and shove it.
  
  Main Entry: 1peer
  Pronunciation: \ˈpir\
  Function: noun
  Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French per, from per, adjective, equal, from Latin par
  Date: 13th century
  1 : one that is of equal standing with another : equal ; especially : one belonging to the same societal group especially based on age, grade, or status
  2 archaic : companion
  3 a : a member of one of the five ranks (as duke, marquess, earl, viscount, or baron) of the British peerage b : noble
  
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- Billy12345
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 11:28pm
  @quagmir “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” States rights are for things not covered in the Constitution.
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- Ohello
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 11:34pm
  This is simple treason against our Coonstitution. Prison for possessing inanimate objects protected by the 2nd Amendment. The police and the lawmakers need to be tried and sentenced for treason against the Constitution.
  
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- orionreplay6607
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 5:27am
  This is where coming after law abiding citizens comes so easy. We realize what we thought was right, may be now wrong, due to our misunderstanding of the law. He willing gives up what is in his possession and goes with the officers. It sounds like he then will be or was charged, and will spend time in jail.
  
  Those officers get to chock up a “win” and a law-abiding citizen and veteran, goes to jail. At worst, they should have just confiscated. He probably would have admitted to having other magazines as well.
  
  What this article doesn’t spell out for me, was it a sting operation? He was waiting for someone to buy the magazines, and the police just happened to be interested in what he was doing?
  
  With so many illegals, drugs, drunken escapades, and other lowlifes to go after, officers going after those who willingly comply is just so much easier.
  
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- Quagmir
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 6:07am
  Billy12345 – Maybe i missed the part of the constitution that covers magazines. no? then the state can make its own laws on the subject. If this was about guns, id be on the other side but this isnt.
  
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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 12:13pm
  Helicop is a patriot. You see, that is what I am talking about. Real men, with integrity and honor. My hat is off to you sir. I got your back if need be. But, somehow, I don’t think you need it.
  
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AUsername
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:01pm
The thugs don’t even respect their own kind. when there not attacking and destroying civilians they will turn on each other for scrap.

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- wilbstal
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:35pm
  yes just like aniamals. and thats how they will get treated. they should know the NY state Militias are 5 times more troops than all the NY state troopers in the state, troopers cant all be in the same spot at the same time. they are outnumbered they made a humungous error here by attacking free people. im sorry for the few Honest Cops whe get hurt also
  
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- barber2
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:36pm
  Another comment from our ” anti-miliary” General Be-tray-us wing .
  
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- AUsername
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 5:22pm
  Barber you could just say Pro Life wing.
  
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Texas Hills Patriot
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:59pm
He should quickly apply for a job with NBC news. Then he’ll get a pass.

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- CatB
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 5:54pm
  Yes .. or at least change his name to David Gregory!
  
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- JohnofOregon
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 9:16pm
  Now hold on, the story doesn’t say if he crossed state lines from jersey with a big gulp. If he committed a felony like that he would not be able to get his media hack license.
  
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HOOT_OWL
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:57pm
I’m just sitting here , reading this story , shaking my head and wondering to myself ….

When we will have OUR Archduke Ferdinand Moment..!

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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:13pm
  Totally with you Hoot. We need that event to get it rolling. Someday, someday…..be patient. It will happen.
  
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- wilbstal
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:37pm
  soon they asked for all of this by violating the 2nd amendment
  
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- Chrisrob63
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:49pm
  Let’s see….Francis Ferdinand was assasinated by a Serbian. Austra-Hungary declared war on Serbia after their demands were rebuffed. Russia came to the assistance of Serbia by declaring war on Austra-Hungary. Because Austro-Hungary was allied with Germany, Bulgaria and Turkey, they declared war on Russia. Because England and France were allied with Russia, everyone in each alliance was committed to war against the other. Other countries eventually chose sides.
  
  I am not sure what moment you mean, but I guessing that you mean sides are being chosen and war will soon break out, and by that I agree.
  
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- mercenary4freedom
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 7:36pm
  Soon I hope HOOTIE, time is way past due for some lib culling.
  
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- Talent-Keyhole
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 9:03pm
  I think that you meant to say “When will we have The Day of the Rope”?
  
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Nairbmack
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:55pm
He’s in New York, He’s white, He’s a veteran …. he’s done for.

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- chips1
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 9:09pm
  That’s what the enemy does. They pick Americans off, one by one.
  
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toidiegalliv
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:54pm
NY provides us some of the very best examples of laws that are nothing more than the will of tyrants and the blathering of fools. I hear the phrase, “It’s the law,” spoken by L.E.O.s and others. I also know that a pound of oats has value, not so much though if you don’t get them before someone runs them through a horse.

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scrapadapolis
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:51pm
I know the area very well where he was arrested.The NY Poopers have a habbit of setting up illegal truck stop and searches in rest areas.They are ruthless and threaten you with jail and impoundment of your rig and cargo If you dont give them consent to search you and your sleeper.I’ve been driving 28 years and didn’t have my eyes open for along time.That part of NY needs a bitch slap from the people who pay their wages.Since Bloomberg hit NYC he thinks he controls outside of the city.And the troopers will also invoke his name and section/artical of the BOGUS law That gives the troopers what lie they tell you.consent to either comply or go to jail.

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- battles
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:56pm
  Definitely a strong arm lie tactic. If they need your consent, they obviously cannot arrest you for not giving it.
  
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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:58pm
  Those very same “troopers” and their families will be the ones targeted by patriots when the time comes. I hope they have a good old time up until then because when they are caught, it will not be pretty. A commie is a commie is a commie. I don’t care if he has a badge or not.
  
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- annie-oakley
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:15pm
  FOI: Names/addresses of the arresting officers please. We need to pull their cards.
  
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- wilbstal
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:30pm
  Its long been said and known by many the MY state troopers are the most crooked and corrupt in America
  
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- jaylew
  Posted on February 25, 2013 at 8:03am
  Yep indeed….even the temporary allure of the television series “The Soprano’s” got long in the tooth after a while. Never one to ride the wave of popular television shows….I did watch the Soprano’s for a couple of months when it went to syndication….no pun intended…..but I quit watching the show in it’s entirety…because aligning with by mere participation or acknowledgement the under belly of any beast…..sooner or later one finds that the beast’s scales begin to slough off onto your own skin in your very own living room. New York is as crooked as it’s state troopers. It takes a crook to know one.
  
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MrKnowItAll
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:48pm
Who else is out right TIRED of Our Rights being taken?

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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:17pm
  I just do not understand why New Yorkers put up with it. Man, are they subjects or what? They must be cordened off and not allowed to infect other states when NY implodes.
  
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- Spitfire1938
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 11:28pm
  @MIL-DOT: Unfortunately for 50 years the NYS Public School System has been gradually adopting a pro communist Curriculum, until today, it’s completely pure communist propaganda! Most people in NY are fervent Communist! Elected Officials in NY, as is true anywhere, simply reflect the ‘will’ of the people who elect them. California and New York are the Nations future… once “We” die off… 20 years?
  Actually, I’m not sure The Nation makes it to next year. I fully expect Chinese domination and colonization under the benevolent, enlightened leadership of our ‘Dear Leader”!
  
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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 12:27pm
  Spitfire,
  You are correct sir. I was kinda’ speaking rhetorically but you are right on the button with your post. The only thing I disagree with is that we will fall as a country. We will not lose. I guarantee that. Carry on patriot.
  
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bigbear_awake
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:45pm
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“Posterity! You will never know how much it cost the present generation to preserve your freedom! I hope you will make good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in Heaven that I ever took half the pains to preserve it.” — John Adams

There has been great concern about how Tyrant Barack Hussein Obama has been out there attempting to win the hearts and minds of our young through his twisted and un-American ideologies.

Synonyms for a tyrant are oppressor, dictator, bully, despot, persecutor.

How fitting.

After performing constitutional talks in 341 high schools across America, I have seen firsthand the indoctrination being imposed on the future generations of this great country – which, for the most part, they are rejecting.

I recently returned from a Tea-Party speaking tour in Florida, and the No. 1 concern these patriots brought up to me was how to reach the next generation.

Finally, they were asking the right questions to bring our country back in the right direction.

The answer is all too simple: Show them the price of freedom.

When performing my high school assemblies, I will ask the students in the assembly how many know their Constitution.

Many begin to laugh in sheer ignorance.

I tell them that if they do not know their rights, they don’t have any rights.

I then ask them how many have grandparents, uncles, aunts, cousins, dads and moms – ma

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MDECKER
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:43pm
This man should be given the same break former Secretary of State Clinton was given. I believe that accessory to murder is a tad bit more serious than possessing empty magazines.

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turkey13
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:42pm
When you get out of prison move to Oklahoma,don’t stop anywheres untill you get to Oklahoma! Our unemployment has stayed under 4 % since the world went down the toilet in 2008. Companys are begging for empolyees and some jobs only start at $8.20 an hour but the cost of living is low here. My wife watches some show called “Repair it or list it.” A house in NY that runs about $480,000 to $600,000 will cost you about $80,000 here in S. Oklahoma. Here in Oklahoma it isn’t just the rich with body guards, if you pass the test you can get a carry permit. As of Nov. 1st last year, we went to open carry

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- YoungAmericanPatriot
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:18pm
  Hey look, how would I be treated as a black middle-class young guy in the south? I’ve dealt with racism before and have no desire to go through that again, especially now that I have my own child to care for. Is it all just over-blown liberal accusations? Or are there neighborhoods I should steer clear of?
  
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- cmsdrizzt
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 5:13pm
  YoungAmericanPatriot – I recently moved to the South (TN) from NY. I am white middle class and I do find some racism but it is really benign. Meaning, more out of ignorance or lack of political correctness than what I would define as real racism. Mainly in the older population who are just “set in their ways”. Now there are definitely parts of the South that have some racism, but trust me you would not even but looking to move into those areas. In NY (Syracuse) I found more racism than in the South. Best move I ever made moving out of NY. I love Tennessee.
  
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- cmsdrizzt
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 5:22pm
  YoungAmericanPatriot,
  
  Middle class white moved from Syracuse NY 4 yrs ago to Chattanooga TN. Way more racism in NY than in TN. TN has more benign racism. Which I define as just people 65 and up who just don’t care about political correctness or taking time in their speech to keep from offending people. I find when confronted about insensitive comments that usually admit they are wrong and shouldn’t have said that. In NY it was true racism and very prevalent. Lived most my life in Southern CA and found that to be one of the least racist places.
  
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- wilbstal
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 8:08pm
  good to hear half of the Sates are Communist Controled like NY, Ma, Ct, me, Nh. VT. RI NJ good for you get strong and come attack these communist states teach them what justce is
  
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- afvetfirewoman
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 10:46am
  TURKEY13 – Amen! I’m an OKIE by choice and with great luck accepted here as a recovering yankee.
  
  Youn American – You will always be treated here as you act. Saw worse in the “Great White North”. Come on down. Just leave the progressive train of thought behind. We’ll have none of that here.
  
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SocialistSlayer
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:39pm
Real Americans should not live in New York anyway – it is the land of the Commie Liberals !

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- jmeister8
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:06pm
  Tell me about it brother I can’t tell you how frustrated I get. I live in upstate New York and I’m a conservative and I cringe every election day. My vote hasn’t counted for years but I like the 4 season weather and the upstate countryside is some of the nicest in america, and the falls are spectacular. I have to tell you though, Its getting harder and harder to deal with all the taxes and cost of living and the stupid idiots in Albany and the deprogramming I have to do with my kids when they get home from school. You should see what they pass off as history and english in the schools here. Whats worse is what they leave out. I have to teach my kids about the constitution and federalist papers and founding fathers and such. If it wasn’t for that they would have no idea what our God given rights were as enumerated in the constitution. You can see why these clowns keep getting voted into office. The next generations are clueless. There’s even talk out there about getting rid of the constitution compleetly. What happens if the state you love becomes the government you hate. Well just know that not all of us here are liberals. I’m just worried that when God has had enough New York is going to have the first and largest bulleye on it. Can you say nuclear upstate New York winter boys and girls?
  
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- annie-oakley
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:17pm
  When will he mass exodus start? Texas is lovely!
  
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- cmsdrizzt
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 5:25pm
  Jmeister,
  
  Move – I took my wife and kids out of there 4 years ago. My entire extended family lives there, all of them. The best thing I ever did was move from there. More money in my pocket now and less school indoctrination. But there is still some crazy issues with schools you will have to deal with. School books still say Global Warming is a fact and polar bears are dying by the thousands. etc.
  
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media-bias-steals-elections
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:38pm
The laws passed in New York state violate the civil rights of Americans, arms legally sold in the past are GUARANTEED to be allowed to be sold in the future under the mechanism of the 2nd Amendment and their civil rights.

What allows these illegal laws to be enforced is your silence and lack of will power to fight these domestic enemies of the US Constitution in the court of law? Well, here’s your opportunity soldier, you are not going to defend the US Constitution in a foreign land, you are going to defend it here in America, and if you pass the test, you graduate tomorrow, you keep your veteran benefits that you worked hard to earn?

And if you don’t pass the test? More American civil liberties will remain in the body bag, killed because law abiding citizens are viewed as guilty of a crime without it being comitted, forbidden to stand in a court room of law, to face their accusers and a jury of their peers, and Americans are too weak, too sacred, to put on a three piece suit, hire a lawyer and face these enemies of the US Constitution in a court of law?

Do not even waste your breath about the date the law was changed, the US Constitution has not been changed? You mean to tell me, there is not one lawyer in New York State certified to defend US Citizens and their civil rights? Not only do we need to contribute to the

http://www.nradefensefund.org/ we need be effective in the court of law?

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BIGZIPZ
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:38pm
“Even if I took that deal I would still be branded as a criminal, and I don’t think I should be,”

Erm… you broke the law so you are a criminal.

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- pissantno.10
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:52pm
  only in you littel commie mind trash
  
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- toidiegalliv
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:59pm
  Dear Bigzip. How far do want to take this; If some tyrant makes a law that you must slap your mother twice a week and you refuse are you then a criminal? Neither is this man.
  
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- TH777
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:10pm
  @Bigzipz: I’m interested in your thoughts about illegals.
  
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- A.D.Hominem
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 6:23pm
  @BigDipSuckWeed
  
  Erm … what part of unconstitutional do you not get?
  
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- TexasTall
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 12:25pm
  He’s not a criminal. When there are so many laws that we don’t know if we’re violating them or not, then it’s time to abolish most of them and start all over. A jury who knows its duty would not find him guilty because it’s a bad law.
  
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- sootsme
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 3:24pm
  Sorry, but I have to call BS. Our Supreme Court has ruled repeatedly that no state or local “law” can curtail any rights enumerated in our US Constitution, and that anything even though in the form of “law” that contradicts or over reaches the Constitution is null and void from inception, as though it had never existed, and creates no “duty to obey”. Period. Jury members may acquit on these grounds, and neither the prosecutor nor the judge can do anything about it, other than retire with egg on their faces.
  
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- team1blazer
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 11:22pm
  WRONG zippy. The 2nd ammendment trumps the unconstitutional state law. Anyone who participates in enacting or enforcing that law commits treason.
  
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thegreatcarnac
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:38pm
If he had been buying or selling marijuana he would have got a ticket; but buy some empty magazines and you would think he slapped obama. What kind of country is this. What kind of state is NY? God…help the rest of us free ourselves from Washington d.c. and the Northeast.

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- Xylliab_of_the_Znarghh
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:42pm
  Five thirty-round magazines must weigh over a pound. If you get caught trying to sell over a pound of weed you can get more than a fine.
  
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Rooskibar03
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:36pm
Wasn’t a problem for David Gregory as they didn’t pose a treat, but its not okay for a solider to have.

Messed up, but not surprised.

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- Xylliab_of_the_Znarghh
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:41pm
  David Gregory wasn’t trying to sell them in a roadside cash deal.
  
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- A.D.Hominem
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 6:32pm
  @Xylophone_Discordance
  
  Gregory broke the law, but, that’s okay with you? Nice hypocrisy.
  
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- SunTzuYou
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 7:28pm
  Gregory was selling something much worse, he knew, did it in plain sight, and you said nothing. Nothing is what you will have in the end.
  
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- Xylliab_of_the_Znarghh
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 7:47pm
  What hypocrisy? Possessing an illegal weapon is less serious than possessing with intent to sell. This guy Haddad had been in violation of the law for year and nobody would ever have bothered him if he hadn’t tried to sell. Just possessing the magazines, while technically illegal, would have been nobody’s business but his own and that would be okay by me. It would have been okay by me if the cops had just confiscated Haddad’s magazines and let him off with a warning, and it’s okay by me that they busted him. It’s their call.
  
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- A.D.Hominem
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 8:12pm
  @Xylophone_Discordance
  
  “What hypocrisy? Possessing an illegal weapon is less serious than possessing with intent to sell.”
  
  Oye, dipstick, hypocrisy is “do as I say, not as I do”. You can’t dismiss one man’s illegal action and abhor another’s. So, yes, hypocrite you are. I guess you also have problems with defining and understanding the word “illegal”.
  
  Main Entry: hyp·o·crite
  Pronunciation: \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\
  Function: noun
  Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritēs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai
  Date: 13th century
  1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of or religion 2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings.
  
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- Xylliab_of_the_Znarghh
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 8:49pm
  A.D.Hominem
  “You can’t dismiss one man’s illegal action and abhor another’s.”
  
  Yes, I can because I’m not a robot, so I understand that laws have purposes. Arresting Mr. Gregory for displaying a borrowed magazine before returning it to its owner would have nothing to do with fulfilling the purpose of the law. Arresting Mr. Haddad for attempting to make a unregulated sale to some guy he doesn’t even know does. And I’m not even for the law. I think anybody in the country should be able to own any kind of a firearm they want. But it is the law. I have to follow it, and so does Mr. Haddad.
  
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- A.D.Hominem
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 9:14pm
  @Xylophone_Discordance
  
  “… laws have purposes.”
  
  Uh, yeah, they do. Don’t break them. You have a decidedly sophomoric understanding of logic. You can’t stand for a “law” for one and not for all.
  
  “And I’m not even for the law. I think anybody in the country should be able to own any kind of a firearm they want. But it is the law. I have to follow it, and so does Mr. Haddad.”
  
  So, according to your last statement, Mr. Gregory the Pius should be prosecuted for breaking the law. Thus, you, hypocrite. QED.
  
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- chips1
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 9:34pm
  Mr. Haddad wasn’t aware that it was illegal because the law was just changed. Mr. Gregory was advised that it was against the law and he chose to shop around for a bribed official to allow him to possess his. Shopping around seems to be easy for politicians and liberals. Bought and paid for with tax money.
  
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- Xylliab_of_the_Znarghh
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 9:40pm
  Again, the difference is purpose of the law. Stopping a magazine from being displayed on a tv show is not the purpose of the law, stopping it from being sold to an unknown party is. Busting Haddad and letting Gregory slide is the right call. The police knew this because, like me, they are not robots.
  
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- A.D.Hominem
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 10:05pm
  @Xylophone_Discordance
  
  Once again, NO. Possession of said magazine is illegal in D.C. Gregory broke the law. He should have been prosecuted but wasn’t. If you don’t see a double standard or can’t wean yourself from your silly argument, you are obtuse to say the least. Your repetitive replies also make me think you might be a ‘bot, regardless of your repeated assertions to the contrary.
  
  http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/12/dc-police-illegal-for-david-gregory-to-show-empty-152829.html
  
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- Xylliab_of_the_Znarghh
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 10:25pm
  There’s nothing silly about my argument. Our legal system has judges instead of law adminitrators because the spirit of the law matters and human judgment is part of the system. Cops get to decide whether to arrest you or let you off with a warning because the spirit of the law matters and human judgment is part of the system. District Attorneys get to decide not only if there is enough evidence to prosecute you, but also whether prosecuting you would serve the interests of justice because the spirit of the law matters and human judgment is part of the system. Like I said, I’m not crazy about this law, and it wouldn’t have bothered me any if the police had given this Haddad guy a break, but hauling him in and prosecuting him is a justifiable decision in light of the spirit and the purpose of the law. Prosecuting Gregory would not have been. If you really can’t comprehend that, then you have no business calling anyone else obtuse.
  
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- A.D.Hominem
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 10:57pm
  @Xylophone_Discordance
  
  You refuse to understand the meaning of “law”. Just because a certain prosecutor or jurisdiction may “choose” to arbitrarily enforce or not enforce a law does not negate the written implications of said law. You are arguing “letter” versus “spirit”; the former is objective and the latter is subjective. I’ll go with the ideas of the founders of our country. We are all equal under the law. When you equivocate or bend the essence of any rule of law, you create an imbalance that has precedence. That is not a good thing. Break the law, prosecute. Sentencing is how you deal with an inequity in the “spirit” of the law.
  
  I will no longer call you obtuse. How’s about just plain ignorant.
  
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- Xylliab_of_the_Znarghh
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 11:46pm
  A.D.Hominem
  You are living in a childish fantasy world. It is not, never has been, and never will be either possible or desirable to prosecute every violation of the letter of the law. Decisions have to be made. The criteria on which those decisions are based include the possibility of successful prosecution resulting in conviction, the seriousness of the offense in terms of the harmfulness or potential harmfulness of the act, the intent of the perpetrator and the intent of the law. By all of those criteria, choosing to attempt to prosecute David Gregory would be the decision of an imbecile. Attempting to prosecute Nate Haddad is a judgment call. If it was up to me, I might have let him off, but it is not entirely unjustifiable given that no reports on this story indicate that he knew or cared who he was selling to or what the purchaser intended to do with the magazines.
  
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afvetfirewoman
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:35pm
Nolo Contendre, my brother. Won’t hurt you at Fort Drum, only a conviction will. Good Luck, we’re here for you but…. Sorry to say that ignorance of the law is not a defense. Change your politicians and your laws.

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- M13
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:42pm
  You light my fire.
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:44pm
  the law is not reasonable and an infringement on his 2nd amendment rights. Everyone of the officers involved were in violation of the same law.
  
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- afvetfirewoman
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 11:05am
  warmunger_Al – there is no doubt the law in unconstitutional. Sadly, his resident state and elected officials have done this to him. Yep, the cops are in violation too. This guy is between a rock and a hard place (and on DHS Terrorist Watch list solely for being a veteran). What WE can do, rather than pick at each others words, is any one or any number of suggestions already made here:
  Contribute to his defense fund
  Convince him to move to sane state of his choice
  Boycott NY and all they have to offer
  Raise our voices, make sure they hear us LOUD AND CLEAR
  Presently – our silence is deafening. In the military, I was allowed my political beliefs as long as I kept them to myself. As a DOD member, I can speak as long as non one knows that I’m DOD. As an AMERICAN – I know longer care what happens to my job if I will lose my country by staying silent.
  
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- afvetfirewoman
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 11:17am
  and to Nate personally – my husband is hiring reliable, hardworking Americans here in OK.
  
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- afvetfirewoman
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 2:50pm
  M13 – was that a compliment or do I need my M-16? Just clarifying…
  
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justangry
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:33pm
Jury nullification, people. They’ve pushed to far. If a law’s unconstitutional or there isn’t a victim, hang the frick’n jury.

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love the kids
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:32pm
Why should he be charged if the guy from “Meet the Press” wasn’t even charged, and that was after he KNEW that what he was doing was illegal? I’m sure Obummer will stop these charges because that would only be “fair”, right? Unless this guy is military, “Bad”, and the other guy was liberal press, “Good”

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- Kalshion
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 6:12pm
  That’s the same question I’ve seen a few others ask.
  
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- Xiccarph
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 6:38pm
  Its called selective enforcement. The news dude is a protected friendly of the pro-Obama regime, so was given a free pass. Its the old “you watch my back, I’ll watch yours” type of unwritten agreement.
  
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jcldwl
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:31pm
A felon for possessing empty magazines. This should be thrown out of court. I am glad he did not take the plea. Why aren’t people fleeing the state of New York? All indications are the time is short, very very short for our country.

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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:47pm
  because fleeing is no longer an option. The revolution will start in New York. New York needs more patriots not less.
  
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- cmsdrizzt
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 5:28pm
  fleeing NY is the only option at this point. There are other places to battle and win. NY is lost. The police depts are as bad as the schools. Most officers have grown up in the NY schools and lived in those communities all their lives. In addition I found a huge percentage of them do have a power complex. I could go on.
  
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- jagr1850
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 6:47pm
  when a magazine is empty , it is not a weapon…..it could end up being filled with cream cheese for it’s next application…even an empty glass…..never really know what it will be filled with for a future use….and the newscaster did not get any jail time for having a magazine in his hand on tv…..
  
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13th Imam
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:31pm
Why do anything gun related in NY? Especially when they are gunning for any excuse to disarm all but the elite and /or the criminal .Law enforcement like this should be ashamed.

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- GrandpaOf4
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:19pm
  Why do ANYthing in NY. Get out. The ground is lost.
  
  Nate, Thank you for your service. I am proud to contribute to your legal fund.
  
  Regarding the law no matter how stupid or unconstitutional the law is ya have to know your situation and if you are in compliance. That is your responsibility. As foolish as this law is it is never wise break a law unless it is your intent to challenge it. Doesn’t seem that was your intent. You might on that path now however. I wish you all the best and I hope you are successful getting this dismissed. What a terrible waste of private money, time, tax money, and resources for a useless pos bit of feel good legislation that accomplishes nothing positive. Especially one like this were the punishment is so disproportionate to the actual risk.
  We will have some of the same crap on the books in my state VERY soon. As soon as the disarmament weasels can sneak around and get them passed. The laws being passed here are for the sole purpose of setting up disarmament. They have no interest in safety or justice or anything but leveraging other people’s tragedies to promote their control agenda power trips. Get out of NY. It is lost ground. Same advice I would give to anyone unfortunate enough to be living there.
  
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:29pm
One more case of a veteran being targeted.

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- yourpaled
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 11:13am
  That’s one side of the story. There are still a few questions unanswered here. Where exactly was the vet parked? It may have been at a spot of concern to traffic. What happened when the cops approached his car? Did he voluntarily show the cops what he had for sale? Did the cops forcefully search or ask him for evidence? Nate should have kept silent to any interrogation by the cops and moved his car away a few feet. It should be a rather easy case to defend if the cops were in any way forceful when they approached Nate.
  
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gyro
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:29pm
This is a close one he was selling them thay are illegal were he was selling them
he needs a judge with brains enough to see he is a good man
Lots of luck on that
The left will hand him out to dry

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Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on February 23, 2013 at 3:27pm
This is exactly what they want, once they brand him a criminal, even if they dismiss the charges, he then can’t legally own a firearm, EVER. So, the ploy here is to simply make everyone who has a gun or magazine a criminal, that will force people to just get rid of them out of fear. This Govt. now has no fear of the people, we are now just sheep to them to be used for their own ends.

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- thegreatcarnac
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 4:04pm
  You are correct. We cannot put up with this much longer.
  
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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 5:25pm
  The Great one. It is just a matter of time. A spark is required for ignition to take place. When Zimmerman is acquitted, the joint is gonna’ light up. Then, it will be time.
  
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- katzkiner
  Posted on February 23, 2013 at 9:00pm
  When Zimmerman is dismissed Holder is ready to charge him in Federal Courts. They want total domination. There is no easy escape. The only way out is through them. Fix bayonets.
  
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- TexasTall
  Posted on February 24, 2013 at 12:29pm
  Lock and load, Patriots!
  
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