Abandoned locations almost always have a creepy aura about them. Just consider Holy Land USA, a faith-based amusement park in Waterbury, Conn., that has fallen into utter ruins. Today, the once-sought after Bible-inspired dioramas and attractions are cracked and tattered — and they have remained that way since the tourist attraction closed to the public in 1984.
Originally founded by a local lawyer named John Greco in 1955, the 19-acre property quickly became a popular vacation destination. The goal was to build a spot that would entertain families, while also teaching them about Christianity and the Bible — an eventual success. But after three decades of popularity, the tourist attraction closed up shop for renovations. Unfortunately, it never re-opened.

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In the 1960s and 1970s, the Daily Mail reports that between 40,000 and 50,000 Americans went to Holy Land USA annually. While the location was inevitably placed in the care of nuns after folding, it quickly fell into disrepair and continues to sit eerily untouched. Here’s how Roadside America describes the current conditions:
Some buildings in the miniature city appear to have been yanked up out of the ground or pushed down on top of other structures. The giant fiberglass Bible has disappeared, the “Garden of Eden” is picked clean, the Catacombs entrance is blocked by a church pew (you’d be nuts to go down there anyway), and nearly every statue has been decapitated. The “actual photo” of Christ exhibit is now just a warped and water-stained piece of plywood (although it does look a bit like Him). With each visit, less and less of the park remains.

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While the location has served as a fascinating remnant of the past to some and a dilapidated nuisance to others, concerns over safety are hard to dismiss. With no one standing guard over the property, many people have explored the grounds, taking pictures and video. In 2010, the darkest blemish on Holy Land USA’s reputation unfolded when a girl was raped and murdered at the location.
Tragically, this horrific crime, which took the life of 16-year-old Chloe Ottman, occurred at the foot of a giant cross on the grounds. Naturally, questions re-emerged about what should be done with the land, which is valued at $1.24 million and is currently owned by the Religious Teachers Filippini, a Catholic order.
Watch an old tour of the grounds, below:
And here’s a more updated look:
For now, the future of the park is uncertain.
(H/T: Daily Mail)





















































































































Comments (91)
HYPNOTOAD
Feb. 26, 2013 at 12:37pmI’d rather be in Woodbury Georgia.
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Atrain1966
Feb. 26, 2013 at 11:18am“It isn’t a sin to bake a cake. You are taking it to the extremes.
Are you honestly telling me that if you worship Jesus and accept him as your lord and savior, that when you die, your God would then say “Well you tried to live by my standards, and you accepted me as your savior……..BUT YOU MADE A CAKE FOR A GAY COUPLE, TO HELL WITH YOU!”
That’s not rational thinking.”
Straw Man.
“I stand by what I said because I have had numerous discussions with friends in my every day life and people online. They have all at times expressed a desire to have the Bible consulted on matters of both foreign and domestic policies. We have already had Presidents who have made decisions based on a “feeling” they get while they “pray.” We already have secular laws on the books, that outlaw something because of people’s religious faith. We have had Presidents consult Pastors on middle east policy in relations to “end times” prophesy”
Yep, very true. And it’s also what the founding Fathers did. Which btw, gave you the freedom to say all that.
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Bohump
Feb. 26, 2013 at 8:46amI worry about how Long it will be, … Before they Outlaw owning a Bible .
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PAUL GULLO
Feb. 26, 2013 at 4:25amWaterbury CT. Is a total sh– hole.
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snooop1e
Feb. 26, 2013 at 8:05amFor decades now people have been trying to use entertainment and trendy marketing (big screen TV’s, Rock Concert like worship services, trendy “New Life” bumper stickers, ball caps and apparel, Starbucks atmosphere, Mega Churches etc etc) to entice people to come to church and to grow their churches. Jesus isn’t a form of entertainment. Jesus is not cool or funny or entertaining, He is our LORD AND SAVIOR, He is GOD INCARNATE who suffered and died for our sins. We don’t need rock concerts or big screen tv’s or coffee or bumper stickers or spinning globes we need JESUS. Give the people JESUS and they will come. Stop distracting them with electric guitars and magic shows and circus like atmosphere and teaching them that worship=entertainment. Scripture tells us that God wasn’t in the wind or the fire or the earthquake but in a whisper Unplug the guitar amps, turn off the big screen tv’s, stop tossing t-shirts into the congreation like some rock concert, silence the deep booming base and the shouting and screaming and stomping and get down on your knees and humble yourself before God and show some reverence and let GOD be GOD. Jesus is not your “Home boy” He is your God. Try sitting still and being quiet and letting God in. Jesus isn’t a thought or a feeling He is a person. If you really want to experience the peace of knowing JESUS come home to the ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC and APOSTOLIC Church. God Bless.
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todd147
Feb. 26, 2013 at 10:48amSnoop
Great point. I moved from a mega church in Philly, about 10K adults each week, that taught the Bible. Chapter by Chapter and Verse by Verse, and without apology. The seats were filled with people who yearned for God’s love. Moved to Florida and have not found a Church that doesn’t try to entertain there guest. While no Church is perfect, we have found common ground in the Church we now attend. But if the Church got the verticle correct, the horizontal would follow.
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snooop1e
Mar. 1, 2013 at 7:49pm@TODD147 – Roger that, I spent about 30 years of my life searching for a church that agreed with what I believed instead of searching for the truth. I never really understood why so many churches were all reading the same Bible and believed that the same Holy Spirit was administering to them but yet there were thousands of divisions and differing interpretations coming from one Holy Spirit. God is not a God of confusion. I believed that wherever 2 or more were gathered there was the church. The problem that I could not resolve was what happens when another 2 are gathered down the street but they utterly disagree with the first 2 on an “essential” doctrine of the faith? Who was right? Both sincerely read the scriptures and sincerely were seeking Jesus but disagreed about what was necessary for salvation? So who is right? That was when I realized I wasn’t really searching for the truth I was searching for a church that I agreed with. In other words I was my own infallible source of authority. If I disagreed with that church at some point I would just say that they were not being “biblical” and I would leave and search for another church that I agreed with. I had become my own Pope. Then I studied history and what the early church actually believed and taught and to my dismay I discovered that the early church believed in the real presence in the Eucharist and confession and had Priests, Bishops and Deacons and canonized the NT……………it was Catholic.
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QuinnOak
Feb. 26, 2013 at 4:00amGod is dead. He is dead ever since we stopped looking beyond the stars for our answers and actually finding REAL answers to our questions. The Gods we have worshiped over the centuries are only human, a way of coping with things that don’t make sense. The weak fear that there is no “meaning” to life without Gods, but that is only because they lack the strength to create beyond themselves.
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cantstandlibs
Feb. 27, 2013 at 7:54pmExcuse me son, the weak are afraid of being humbled by a supreme God. The God of the O.T. was certainly no human. The arrogance and misplaced judgement of those who believe in a preposterous theory, evolution, speaks enough for itself. Even Darwin believed in God. Darwinists have taken his basic text, and made it into a God-less belief. Darwin would not even be a Darwinist. I choose to believe in God, not because I am weak, but it certainly does no on any harm. For you to stand in judgement of everyone who believes in God is the height if irrational arrogance. You have no knowledge that the rest of us do not, but evidently we have knowledge which you do not.
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Jrocks
Feb. 25, 2013 at 11:59pmAllow me sum it up this way: Jesus Christ = the ONLY way to God > PERIOD!!
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ZengaPA65
Feb. 26, 2013 at 7:33amMoron.
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woodsman607
Feb. 25, 2013 at 11:11pmSo, a religiously based amusement park that closed in 1984 is not in very good repair? This seems like a story designed to drive the anti-Christian bigots from under their wet rocks. Seems to be working.
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SoNick
Feb. 26, 2013 at 8:31amAlso a good way to vilify the evil secularists (that seems to be working!) and to rile up christian fundamentalists. No doubt some of the Blazers will find a way to somehow tie this to the Obama administration.
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Clausvons
Feb. 25, 2013 at 10:45pmIt is tragic that the state of this park, with the help of Barry and the liberal progressives and Atheists/agnostics, reflects the current state of Christianity in the United States. In “Suicide of a Superpower”, Pat Buchanan goes into some length with facts and figures that show a direct correlation between the declining numbers of citizens who identify themselves as “church-going” Christians and the rise in crime statistics and divorces.
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Xylliab_of_the_Znarghh
Feb. 26, 2013 at 12:57amExcept that crime rates have been dropping since their peak in the 1980’s, while commitment to religion has continued to steadily decline.
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Paulhgreenbay
Feb. 26, 2013 at 4:38am@Xylliab_of_the_Znarghh http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/astonishing-argument-why-violent-crime-rates-have-dropped I would also argue that figure manipulation is to be blamed also. You don’t think law enforcement books are cooked just like those of the evil capitalists? You are just another ignorant sheep comparing apples to oranges incorrectly to support your agenda. You really think our country being less religious would make it less crime ridden? I’m not religious but even I know how illogical that sounds.
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lowerclassrepublican
Feb. 26, 2013 at 5:04pmCrime rates have not gone down. The definition to get on the official crime stats has. It use to be every crime was a “crime” not so any more. To make departments and government officials look better every thing is categorized today. Rape use to be rape, not so today. The only stats that go into most “rape” Is a stranger raping a woman. Taken out is child rape, Date rape, so on and so on. Same with crime.
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ssortors
Feb. 25, 2013 at 10:38pmyour problem in one sentence.. “While the location was inevitably placed in the care of nuns after folding, it quickly fell into disrepair and continues to sit eerily untouched. Here’s how Roadside America describes the current conditions:” Nuns.. the Catholic church doesn’t repair anything.. just stays in something someone else built and stay till it fall down… they are a leech.. and yes im Catholic that does what he can to repair his church.. but the clergy.. nope.
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TSUNAMI_22
Feb. 25, 2013 at 10:09pm“Some buildings in the miniature city appear to have been yanked up out of the ground or pushed down on top of other structures. The giant fiberglass Bible has disappeared, the “Garden of Eden” is picked clean, the Catacombs entrance is blocked by a church pew, and nearly every statue has been decapitated. ”
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Sounds like the good old United States of Liberal Amerika to me. Why should anyone be shocked?
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Paulhgreenbay
Feb. 26, 2013 at 4:40amMaybe it would make a good shanty town for the refuges of New York after the collapse.
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avgconservative
Feb. 25, 2013 at 8:17pmIsn’t it funny how atheists/agnostics are so threatened by the truth of God’s existence?
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SendTheMeteors
Feb. 25, 2013 at 8:56pmHow do you figure? And does that have something to do with this story, or is your statement a non sequitur?
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Nlitend1
Feb. 25, 2013 at 9:20pm@meteors
I think he means that if atheists were just a little less threatened by jesus and more threatened by hell and satan, they would have gone to this amusement park in CT to avoid eternal damnation, thus keeping it afloat despite its poor business model. Or maybe he means that atheists are too threatened by the danger of rides and stuff because of some natural timidity, so they couldn’t embrace this place with their money. Actually I’m not sure, maybe there are external threats like the rape mentioned below or the sight of big illuminated crosses, and atheists feel threats wherever there are gaudy phallic symbols. I’m lost, sorry for responding.
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katzkiner
Feb. 26, 2013 at 2:22amMeteor; If there is no God why can’t we kill anyone who annoys us? You should not work so hard to convince people there is no God. You might succeed beyond your wildest expectations. And if abortion is not murder why is killing an abortionist murder??? Think before you speak, sometimes it is wiser to be silent. You know, the let sleeping dogs lie kind of thing. BTW You really should try to outgrow this need you have to annoy people.
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Feb. 26, 2013 at 8:29am@Katz
So the only reason you don’t murder is because there is a god that you can’t see in the sky? Ok, yeah you keep believing that…sounds like you need to
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Feb. 26, 2013 at 9:24amI suppose your reason is ‘because I’ll get caught’
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HYPNOTOAD
Feb. 26, 2013 at 12:30pmYes, any mention of God and the Christaphobes crawl out of the wood work to spout their religion of atheism. So predictable.
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Nlitend1
Feb. 26, 2013 at 2:34pmSo katz, does god want you to be a good person or just act like one?
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avgconservative
Feb. 26, 2013 at 11:53pmI’ve debated many an atheist. Some quite gracious and friendly, but by no means is this the rule. It is mainly the exception. Conceit of intellect is common. Science is God, whether or not it adds up or not. (ie: clotting factor evolved.)
The original morality of “murder is wrong” is anthropologically provable to descend from deists. It is socially acceptable, culturally necessary, except when the atheist must exclude for convenience because the victim of murder cannot speak or act in his defense.
Therefore the great threat which Atheists/Agnostics face is the collection of all of human existence in its faulty as well as beautifully moral reality. This collection points toward a deity in almost its entirety.
The graceful and respectful Atheists I have as friends, embrace this fact and do not fear it. Why? Because they are not sophomoric Atheists/Agnostics with bits and pieces of science to praise and establish their own sans-deity religion.
Atheists are just as faulty as any Christian. Just as smug in their convictions as much of Christianity. The ratio of ignorance to informed, is in all likelihood the same whether it is Christians scientific quotient, or the Atheist’s Biblical knowledge.
A discussion is worthy of human effort when one Atheist and one Christian, who respect the other person’s convictions, can talk and discuss and learn from each other. For the wise Christian is far wiser than any Atheist I know. And most Christians should understa
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Frederick_Douglass_Republican
Feb. 25, 2013 at 6:07pmThanks to this story it will now, after resting peacefully for so long, be overrun with vandals. Wonderful.
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Verceofreason
Feb. 25, 2013 at 5:17pmThe ‘actual photo of Christ’?
Did a dinosaur taken with a really early camera?
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Toltepeceno
Feb. 25, 2013 at 7:44pmThere were dinosaurs 2,000 years ago?
Another failed public education.
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Azzman
Feb. 26, 2013 at 1:00amDid a dinosaur taken….
English please.
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Longslide
Feb. 25, 2013 at 4:28pmWish this place was closer,….I love poking around abandoned attractions. It’s peaceful in an odd way.
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Dachande
Feb. 25, 2013 at 4:50pmIt’s almost like the old Soviet amusement park I went to in Yerevan, Armenia… except it was still used while being just as creepy and just as run down. Just like their subways which I thought were going to jump the rails every time I stepped on them.
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Toxic Pirate
Feb. 25, 2013 at 10:54pmHang in there this is coming to a city near you soon
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rdk36532
Feb. 25, 2013 at 3:26pmSo a commercial theme park enterprise tried to make the big dough off of people’s religion? Curious thing, if you ask me.
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cgnick
Feb. 25, 2013 at 9:22pmLook at most churches, same thing people giving 10% and getting taken for a ride.
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III Percent
Feb. 25, 2013 at 10:24pmI grew up in Waterbury. Holy-land was free, there were no rides or games. It as a miniature Bethlehem. You’d strol the paths it took you through the stations of the cross, and other scenes from the bible, old and new testaments.
At the end of hte walk was a locked box with an actual lock on it and a slit for contributions. The Lighted Cross is huge as you can see in the picture and when entering Waterbury day or night, the cross was a landmark that said, “Home”.
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wilbstal
Feb. 25, 2013 at 3:01pmCt is a Left Wing anti Christ state not hard to figure out here
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Nlitend1
Feb. 25, 2013 at 3:27pmWhere is your holy land usa?
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R1dd1ck
Feb. 25, 2013 at 4:12pm@NLITEND1
At your mother’s house.
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Toltepeceno
Feb. 25, 2013 at 7:46pmR1dd1ck That would be Ho-ly land.
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Nlitend1
Feb. 26, 2013 at 1:19am@Riddick
What happened to my comment? I was asking nicely and not making a joke. You were talking about being a convicted sex offender a few weeks ago and I wanted to ask you a few questions. Is this off limits or something? If you were embarrassed about it, you shouldn’t have brought it up back then…actually, you shouldn’t have molested little kids.
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wilbstal
Feb. 25, 2013 at 2:59pmLack of balls by all in that area
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Nlitend1
Feb. 25, 2013 at 3:48pmESPN is in that area…i don’t think they lack balls.
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lassiegirldawn
Feb. 25, 2013 at 2:27pmIt doesn’t surprise me since this outfit is totally unbiblical. If that woman has another facelift, she will have toes for ears. They prey on people to send money and then live life large, totally against what Jesus preached.
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SquidVetOhio
Feb. 25, 2013 at 2:24pm“And yet the god of the bible didn’t lift a finger to intervene. Which I guess must mean said god either doesn’t exist, or else prioritizes the right to rape over the right to not be raped.”
Yes, because it’s God’s fault we don’t live in a sinless utopia. I could build a robot that only does what I tell it to do but I don’t think I would love or it would love me. Rape doesn’t disprove God’s existence. It proves Satan’s existence.
And by that logic, if every tragic event is a proof of God’s non-existence, then what does it mean when something good happens? For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction right?
If anything terrible happens to your kids, does that mean you didn’t care or you don’t exist?
Ridiculous.
I fully realize I’ll never persuade you but, at least formulate a stronger argument.
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PATTY HENRY
Feb. 25, 2013 at 2:40pmWhat’s their excuse for DETRIOT?
You have to love it…on one hand they claim there is no GOD, but can’t tell you where they came from or where they are going…on the other they blame GOD for everything…l
Instead of being GRATEFUL for this life and making an attempt to try to get to know about GOD, (The best use of time they will ever spend) they spend hours on these blogs knocking Him.
You know they believe in Him or else they’d stop knocking Him. You don’t keep knocking something you don’t believe in. Thank GOD for our Faith. Thank GOD for GOD.
PS: These created people think they know the MIND OF GOD….like the pots knowing how the potter thinks.
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Verceofreason
Feb. 25, 2013 at 5:20pmIs that ACTUAL PHOTO OF CHRIST anywhere on land.
Did they use a Polaroid SAND camera?
comforteagle
Feb. 25, 2013 at 6:51pmPatty. u are confusing an external argument with an internal argument. the atheist can internally critque you by saying if there is a god that is all good and all powerfull and all knowing there wouldnt be evil; and they can give an external critism that there is no sufficient evidence that a god exists. its not a paradox, just two ways of critiquing someones argument
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ModerationIsBest
Feb. 25, 2013 at 10:33pmI’m not too sure Patty.
I see a lot of Christians on here continually bashing Muhammed and Allah. By your reasoning, the reason that the Christians continually bash Islam, is because they know it to be true. I mean, why would they continue to bash it if it weren’t true?
I don’t “bash” God because I don’t think a God exists. I can however “bash” the person who claims a God exists.
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Feb. 26, 2013 at 9:27amIt’s a bit beyond mere ‘bashing’…..it goes beyond the pale and has been for a year. Be happy we respect your opinion and right thereof to express it. And that’s not a ‘threat’ either. Other places aren’t nearly as kind as we are to differing sentiments.
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Feb. 26, 2013 at 3:57pm“Just say it….God raped Mary.”
“If God existed, it would be necessary to kill him.”
“This is more proof we should have fed a few more Christians to the lions.”
(ooo a shiny report button)
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Feb. 25, 2013 at 2:23pmA sign of what has happened to our country as a whole, fallen apart and corrupted from top to bottom.
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RIDEMODELS
Feb. 25, 2013 at 2:21pmJerry Springer is filmed in Connecticut…..that about sums it all up.
During Black History month JS had more black people fighting each other than any other TV program……So there is no wonder why Connecticut has so many problems…Now who is exploited……Now who is getting tricked..??
I wonder how many armed guards were at the Oscars last night……What a joke these people are…..Boycott their movies, they are no better than us and they need to just be happy with living in a non Muslim country that lets them make movies like they do….They are not Gods, they are humans who can remember paragraphs and produce porn……The reason this whole country has gotten in such a bad shape is because we have gotten further and further from God……We are not Muslim and we never have been.
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vaman
Feb. 25, 2013 at 2:42pmYou are crazy. Very disturbed person.
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13th Imam
Feb. 25, 2013 at 2:14pmWhen I pledged AXP/EZX in college, very early seventies, one of my tasks was to get to HolyLand and take a photo, then go to the next destination.No motor vehicles allowed . Hoofing it only. It was in disrepair at that time. Waterbury was anice town in those days. I played (pitched) for the Waterbury Timers, Timex was in Wtby, thereby the name Timers.Also a 16 year old girl was raped and murdered there just under the large white cross.
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Longbow
Feb. 25, 2013 at 2:13pm‘Video Unavailable’
Nice try Blaze.
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RIDEMODELS
Feb. 25, 2013 at 2:27pmJerry Springer is filmed in Connecticut, who has exploited more black people during black history month than any other TV program I am have ever seen……Its no wonder that it has all gone to crap…..People need to find God and come together under him……Its not a money move its a faith move and there are too many different churches in this country, people need to realize that its One Nation under God…..not One Nation under Allah…..Danica Patrick would never had a chance to race in Muslim controlled lands…!!
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Nlitend1
Feb. 25, 2013 at 3:40pmJerry springer was the mayor of cincinnati. Ohio must be on its way to hell as well. But of course you knew that already. by the way, you sound like a terrorist who condemns americans for not thinking like you do.
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USAMama
Feb. 25, 2013 at 2:11pmSad, and in so many ways symbolic of what has happened in our country as a whole. What was once a thriving land built on Christian values has become a pit if despair where crime and evil run rampant. Gods patience must be wearing thin. How long til His judgement comes? So, so sad :(
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Nlitend1
Feb. 25, 2013 at 3:47pmI’m pretty sure people have been asking that question since the dark ages. apparently god is dead or sleeping…or is ignoring you because your question lacks perspective.
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USAMama
Feb. 25, 2013 at 9:41pmNot true. Many have already seen his judgement: the world before Noah, Sodom and Gomorah, The Babylonians, just to name a few. He is patient, no doubt, but eventually it will come! And when it does I pray for the scoffers!
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Nlitend1
Feb. 25, 2013 at 10:59pmoh, I’m sorry. I meant god hasn’t been heard from since we spoke aramaic. He went to bed sometime after humans invented the wheel and sometime before we invented indoor plumbing. Personally, I can’t wait til he discovers internet pornography, that should be some fun fire and brimstone.
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USAMama
Feb. 26, 2013 at 12:05amThe biggest mistake those people ever made was mistaking His patience for absence. He is giving you ample time to change your ways and to accept His gift of eternal freedom. It is His desire that none would perish, but ultimately it’s your decision. Remember the Bible covers a vast amount of time. Thousands of years passed before He finally cast His judgement. It’s only been 2,000+ since Jesus died. That is a couple days to Him. I urge you, don’t mistake His patience for absence. It is because He is merciful that He is giving you time, but your time will eventually run out one way or another.
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Nlitend1
Feb. 26, 2013 at 1:32amI’m happy to convert once I get some confirmation. I’ll be all over jesus with much love, long time. It’s not really fair that all those bible people got to see god do tricks and had a chance to become christian, but I’m likely to die before he ever does his miracles for me. I’ll accept jesus and mohammed and I’ll wear magic underwear and so on, when I’m right about to die…just in case. But until then, I’m gonna need some simple proof…water=wine would suffice. My opinion is that god is an invention of man, because it makes sense….oooh, thunder and lightning….it sounds angry and is coming from the sky….I don’t know any science, I don’t even know the earth is round…must be super being that has cool tricks. From there it is inevitable that someone writes a book about god and attributes all of their values to god…Hmm, I’m a man, and I don’t want women to think they are equal, same with black people, and people that don’t believe in my religion, etc. So gods word will confirm this. If there were some godly decrees that went against the male dominated society, I would be more likely to believe the bible…are there any that you can think of? Are there any laws in the bible that do not favor the power structure of the guys that wrote it?
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USAMama
Feb. 26, 2013 at 5:55amYou are so hostile towards God, and then wonder why you don’t see Him. Who do you think you are that He needs to prove Himself to you? Do you not see the vanity and self righteousness in your attitude? When you tell God “I got this. I don’t need you” don’t then act surprised when He steps aside and let’s you fall on your a**. But after a few falls, maybe even some broken bones, if you come to Him with an HONEST heart, not just a “save my a** deathbed conversion” He is faithful and will forgive your sins and make Himself known to you. It’s up to you how painful the process, He is ever patient. He’ll wait for you to come around. And if you don’t, well you don’t. But don’t blame Him.
I’m not even going to address your rants about black people and women blah blah blah because its obvious you don’t have any understanding of the Bible. Nowhere does it say men are superior to women or blacks are inferior. Most of the Bible is historical and needs to be read with contextual understanding. All of Gods most beloved were wretched sinners and MANY were women. God doesn’t hold these people up because they were sinless or righteous on their own. He holds them up because when they were broken they fell down and humbled themselves, admitting they needed Him and He counted their faithfulness as righteous. It’s not about you. He doesn’t need to prove Himself to you and He never will if you pound your chest at Him as though you are so important.
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The Third Archon
Feb. 25, 2013 at 2:11pm“Tragically, this horrific crime, which took the life of 16-year-old Chloe Ottman, occurred at the foot of a giant cross on the grounds.”
And yet the god of the bible didn’t lift a finger to intervene. Which I guess must mean said god either doesn’t exist, or else prioritizes the right to rape over the right to not be raped.
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nesmond
Feb. 25, 2013 at 2:25pmWhat the hell is your problem kid?
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GhostOfJefferson
Feb. 25, 2013 at 2:28pmYou clearly have no grasp of the concept of free will.
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USAMama
Feb. 25, 2013 at 2:45pmYou have such a profound misunderstanding of God and I pray that changes for you before it’s too late. Evil exists, satan exists and just because God does not strike down every act of evil does not mean He does not exist. He gave us free will to choose good or evil. He says Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. (Revelation 3:20 NKJV) He is not a bully or a dictator who will just barge into our lives and demand we do what He wants. He has shown us both good and evil so that we may know them and make the choice. God IS goodness and love. Just as darkness is the absence of light and cold the absence of heat, evil is the absence of God. The reason atheists don’t see God active in their lives is because they’ve never invited Him in. It’s like having a dinner and never sending out invitations. Then when nobody shows up saying “well they must not exist.”
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RJJinGadsden
Feb. 25, 2013 at 2:59pmGHOSTOFJEFFERSON, What left wing loon do you know of who has any grasp of the meaning of free will? THE THIRD ACHORN is no exception.
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JohnGalt
Feb. 25, 2013 at 3:03pmMakes me think you only see things with ‘nanny state’ mentality. Imagine if God intervened at ever sin preventing them? we would be just a bunch mindless robots, never learning anything because God has taken care of it.
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LemonyFresh
Feb. 25, 2013 at 3:35pmIf God punished every instance of sin committed, on the spot, then you and I both would have been reduced to a heap of ashes long, long ago. Thankfully He has given us time and a choice that MUST be made before we check out. Hopefully you will realize this sooner rather than later and step down from you pedestal labelled pride. How many other gifts have you refused to accept in your life? I bet zero. Your bitterness will consume you unless you find resolution through Jesus Christ.
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matt_c
Feb. 25, 2013 at 4:11pmThe Third Archon, you’re an atheist right? I was kind of curious about atheism. Why is it I only ever see atheists speaking out against Judaism or Christianity? Maybe you can point out some instance to me that I’ve missed, but where are there atheists railing against Islam? Where are they complaining about Buddhism, Shinto, Hindu, Scientology, etc? Also, why are atheists so quick to go on the offensive at the merest mention of prayer or faith by a Christian?
My theory is that most of the more vocal people who call themselves atheists are really anti-Christian, but are obviously afraid to call themselves that. Either that or trolls.
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Pontiaku
Feb. 25, 2013 at 4:40pm[i]matt_c “Where are they complaining about Buddhism, Shinto, Hindu, Scientology, etc”[/i]
Maybe because you’re living in a box. If you get off your precious “christian” laden websites you might see us making fun of muslims, scientologist, etc. That or you may mistake us for your fellow christians when we’re attacking other faiths in other post. You’re not as special as you make yourself out to be.
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Grubmeister
Feb. 25, 2013 at 4:47pm@Matt_C
Why is it I only ever see atheists speaking out against Judaism or Christianity? Maybe you can point out some instance to me that I’ve missed, but where are there atheists railing against Islam? Where are they complaining about Buddhism, Shinto, Hindu, Scientology, etc?”
Couple of reasons come to mind. First, you’re not looking. Atheists have plenty of condemnation for that travesty called Islam. You’ve probably never read any books by Hitchens, Harris, Dawkins, etc. so you may not be aware how much time they go on about it.
Secondly, if you spend all your time surrounded by xtians, you probably won’t hear much complaints regarding Islam or any of the other religions. What point would there be to rant on about Islam in a group of xtians?
Third, while there are indeed muslims, buddhists, scientologists, etc. in this country, they have little or no influence over our government or culture. Xtianity is the 800 pound gorilla so it’s going to draw the most fire.
I really don’t want to be rude but do you really not understand? It would be very easy to believe you are just trying to build another strawman.
I personally believe Islam is more dangerous than any of the other religions but that doesn’t mean I support xtianity.
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ModerationIsBest
Feb. 25, 2013 at 10:43pm@GRUBMEISTER
Not to mention but I think it’s also part of human nature to play the victim card. You see it ALL THE TIME with religion.
I was reading a paper that one of my friend’s kids wrote and in the paper she asked the question, “why does society tend to be hostile towards religion?”
I thought to myself, “well this paper doesn’t seem very well researched.” We live in America, polls show that an overwhelming amount of people believe in the Christian God, and an even higher majority believe in some form of God……yet religion is persecuted?
I saw another friend on facebook say that persecution a Christian receives in America sickens him.
These people don’t think critically and as someone else said on here, “they live in a box.” They only look and watch for stuff that affects them and tend to blow things out of proportion. They also don’t see the hypocrisy in their arguments.
Fact is, we live in a society that is dominated by religion. So any “persecution” that they feel, is very little from an atheist and is more likely coming from another religious person of a different faith, or of someone of the same faith who says that they aren’t a “TRUE Christian.”
I’m an atheist, and while I think there are a lot of people who want to set up a Christian theocracy, I also don’t cry about “persecution.”
Also, buddhists don’t tend to bother me with their nonsense.
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USAMama
Feb. 26, 2013 at 12:38amModeration: you’re right. We are blessed to live in America, which is friendly to Christians, for now. We have NO idea what true persecution is. In many parts of the world Christians are jailed or even murdered. In fact there is an American pastor right now, Saeed Abedini, who is in jail in Iran right now for simply talking to people about Jesus. There is a movement here to get our State Dept to help but they are being ignored. He is a Christian American being jailed simply for being a Christian and our state dept won’t help.
But as our culture moves further and further to the left we will inch closer. For instance look at the guy (I forget which state he’s in) with the bakery who refused to bake a cake for a gay couple and had the gov’t shut down his business. Look at the doctors who will lose their jobs for not performing abortions through Obamacare. Look at how culture is starting to point towards Christians as bigots and hateful. While we aren’t being overly persecuted now the trend is moving that way.
But I agree with you on something else: A big problem is the judgement of fellow Christians. God did not call us to be His judge and jury. Our only job is to share His good news; that God loves you and sent His son to die so that you may live! That we are ALL sinners. God gave us the law not to trip us up or damn us to h*ll but rather to show us its impossible and we all deserve death. Thank God I am not being judged on how well I follow the law because I would
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ModerationIsBest
Feb. 26, 2013 at 1:25am@USAMAMA
If there are laws on the books about anti discrimination in regards to that story, then he is breaking the law. I however am suspect of a lot of these stories because they again, tend to get over blown by the religious.
Take for instance a story here in AZ that got coverage because the police stormed in and broke up a bible class in a private home. Everyone was up in arms screaming persecution. Eventually it came out that the person was holding weekly sermons there with an outlandish number of people and was told numerous times that if he wanted to continue to do that, he had to make safety modifications. He refused and eventually got stopped. He had also had other numerous run ins with the laws.
In regards to doctors being fired for not performing abortions. What’s the problem? I thought conservatives loved right to work States. If I hire you to perform duties, and you then deny to do those duties, shouldn’t you be up for firing?
The problem you are seeing now is that I continually hear how being a Christian is a “personal relationship” with Jesus…..yet I never hear people shut up about it.
They talk about a “radical gay movement” that wants to “shove their lifestyle in our faces” and “indoctrinate our youth” and then they go on and praise Tebow, and demand our politicians talk about their God and then want an official prayer lead in schools.
Plus, a lot of Christians are bigots….look at this site.
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USAMama
Feb. 26, 2013 at 3:05amAnd that’s my point. As these laws are passed it pushes Christians into a corner. Murder and homosexuality are sins. That’s a fact. Maybe you don’t believe that but I do. There are plenty of doctors willing to murder your baby if you ask them to. There are plenty of churches or justices willing to marry a gay couple or bake them a cake. Why should the govt be able to force me to sin against God or lose everything? I’m not familiar with the story in AZ but sounds like a case of gov’t overreach. The govt should not be able to dictate how many people I invite to my private home and how they are accommodated. That’s none of their business whether its a Bible study or a Tupperware party.
As far as Christians being bigots or hypocrites I’ll give you that, many are. In as much as murder and homosexuality are sins, so are lying, stealing and adultery. So if I’ve lied, even as “innocent” as telling my kids theres a Santa Clause, or stolen even a paperclip from the office, i am just as guilty! But Jesus took that from me. He died so I wouldn’t have to! Guess what, He died for the murderer and the homosexual too! If He forgave my sin who am I to call someone else guilty for theirs? That’s not my job. My job is to tell you God loves you, no matter who you are or how grave your sins. Even if you are still living in that sin, Jesus died while we were yet sinners! When He died my sins were still future sins, He knew I would do it and died anyway! We are ALL sinners, no matt
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Feb. 26, 2013 at 9:46am“Well kid, you haven’t done your research.”
“I also believe people are trying to set up a theocracy.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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ModerationIsBest
Feb. 26, 2013 at 10:51am@USAMAMA
It isn’t a sin to bake a cake. You are taking it to the extremes.
Are you honestly telling me that if you worship Jesus and accept him as your lord and savior, that when you die, your God would then say “Well you tried to live by my standards, and you accepted me as your savior……..BUT YOU MADE A CAKE FOR A GAY COUPLE, TO HELL WITH YOU!”
That’s not rational thinking.
@THE_CABRITO_GOAT
I’m assuming that’s addressed to me? Look, you have the ability to quote me directly, yet you change what I said?
I stand by what I said because I have had numerous discussions with friends in my every day life and people online. They have all at times expressed a desire to have the Bible consulted on matters of both foreign and domestic policies. We have already had Presidents who have made decisions based on a “feeling” they get while they “pray.” We already have secular laws on the books, that outlaw something because of people’s religious faith. We have had Presidents consult Pastors on middle east policy in relations to “end times” prophesy.
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USAMama
Feb. 26, 2013 at 12:21pmNo I absolutely don’t believe that at all. It’s not a sin to bake a cake and God would not damn me to he** for it. As Christians we no longer live under the law. You can be gay and He still loves you and will not turn you away if you come to Him. But since I love Him I am going to choose not to do something I know he despises. I know it would make Him unhappy. Just as if I know my husband hates liver I’m not going to make liver for dinner. Not because he’ll divorce me if I do, but because I know He hates it and I want to make him happy. I iron my husbands work clothes every night and set up the coffee pot so he has an easier morning. Not because he demands it, but because I love him and want to do those things. Same thing with gay marriage, if I know God despises it, even tho He will not abandon me for it, I’m not going to do it or take part in it. But that should be my choice, I should not be forced to whether its religion or just personal preference. If its my business it’s my business. You can find another bakery.
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Pontiaku
Feb. 26, 2013 at 12:45pm“So if I’ve lied, even as “innocent” as telling my kids there’s a Santa Clause, or stolen even a paperclip from the office, i am just as guilty! But Jesus took that from me.”
Wow… A human sacrifice so you wouldn’t have to go to hell for stealing a paperclip… Not something I’d ask someone to do or would accept because the mere thought of it is disgusting. Why don’t you just accept that you’re a thief, liar, homosexual, or murderer and try to correct your behavior or own up to it instead of passing the guilt off on superstitious nonsense?
A god impregnating a 12 year old virgin to give birth to a human sacrifice, to save ourselves from himself, when it’s not really a sacrifice if you know you’re going somewhere “supposedly” better than this dump, is absolutely silly. So silly it is like the longest running joke ever concocted.
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USAMama
Feb. 26, 2013 at 1:18pmI don’t expect you to understand. “For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.” (1 Corinthians 1:18 NKJV)
God is patient and He has all the time in the world. My life and your life are like a blink of the eye to Him. I pray that you will get the message someday, but that’s not up to me. Only God can change your heart.
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Pontiaku
Feb. 26, 2013 at 1:51pmIntellectual cop-out. You can’t argue logically so turn to your centuries old brain washing manual and refer to non-believers as foolish. It’s no different from any other mindless gullible cult. But I guess I set my low expectations for you too high from the start. They should have been closer to nil.
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USAMama
Feb. 26, 2013 at 4:56pmI wasn’t calling you foolish. The scripture sounds foolish to you because you don’t have the Holy Spirit guiding your understanding. That is not a cop out, it is God explaining to Christians not to get frustrated trying to explain because unless you are truly open to it, it is impossible for you to understand. Like I said before, it’s not my job to convince you and I’m not trying to. I don’t do the whole “winning souls for Jesus” thing. I leave that up to Him, quite honestly He’s much better at it. My only job as a Christian is to plant the seeds. To give you the good news, that God loves you no matter who you are or what you’ve done. That He longs for you to know Him, but its your decision and He’s not going to force it on you. Then to help you know Him by showing you love and living my life as a reflection of Him. Not through judgement or condemnation. By love, mercy and grace. By, most importantly, forgiveness to those who hurt me whether or not they deserve it. Because just as I have sinned against God many times He has always forgiven me. If I then refuse to forgive its like me saying somehow I’m more worthy of grace then they are. That is vanity and is just as disgusting to God as any other sin.
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Pontiaku
Feb. 26, 2013 at 11:27pm“you don’t have the Holy Spirit guiding your understanding.”
There is no “holy spirit”. It’s just chemicals released in your body. Serotonin, dopamine, endorphins… The same thing every nut in every religion experiences. Nothing short of dementia will ever get me to believe in that superstitious nonsense.
“That is vanity and is just as disgusting to God as any other sin.”
You want to see vanity? Read the first four commandments. They are obviously nothing more than some bronze age tribesman’s vain attempt to protect his imaginary god. Talk about a wasted and redundant set of morals. You’d think there would be more important morals to carve in stone than to waste 4 on an insecure god.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QWwzT4ulkA&list=PLCC1EE539274B4461
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