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A Gay Man, a Lesbian and a Transgender Are Part of ‘Micah’s Rule’ — a Christian Band That Sings Gospel and Country Music
At first glance, Micah’s Rule looks like your traditional Christian band: A collective of three members whose main purpose is spreading the gospel through music. But when one looks beneath the surface, there’s nothing classical — at least when it comes to members’ bios — about the performers who have captured the attention of a plethora of media outlets of late.
If you thought Christian singer Jennifer Knapp’s story was a fascinating one, prepare yourself for this tale. See, Micah’s Rule, based in Wilmington, N.C., is made up of members who have some uncommon backgrounds, especially when compared to others in the Christian entertainment industry. According to a report in Salon earlier this month, Mary Anne Hewitt and Greg McCaw are both gay. Chasity Scott, on the other hand, is transgender.
But these attributes aren’t touted in the group’s official bio. Rather than using their sexuality as a tool to sell faith-based music, the group is intent on relegating it to the confines of their very personal stories. During a recent interview with Religion News Service (RNS), the members said that they don’t want these attributes defining them; instead, it is their music that they hope fans notice.
Micah’s Rule, from left to right: (Photo Credit: Micah’s Rule)
“It’s just our back story, plain and simple, but we’re not using that as a marketing tool for our music, positively or negatively,” McCaw told RNS. “We want to be a musical group like any other, but we realize our back story will get out.”
The band recently completed its first album, working with famed producer Mark Moseley in Nashville, Tenn., to see it come to fruition.
See a video montage of their Nashville experience, below:
While some would dismiss the group as un-Christian based on the aforementioned information, the three speak as though they are intensely religious. In their interview, they explained the roots and connections they have to and within their church. Still, their lifestyles are certainly not embraced by the majority of the Christian faith and will likely be seen as controversial.
Plus, breaking into faith-based music is difficult enough in its own regard. With these added elements, it will be interesting to see how they fare.
Hewitt, McCaw and Scott all attend St. Jude Metropolitan Community Church, a house of worship that reaches out to members of the gay community and their associated family members. The band’s name — Micah 6:8 — comes from a Bible verse that the church adopted, RNS reports. It reads, “He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.”
Each of the band’s songs also takes on Christian themes — something that may also come as a surprise to those who take issue with members’ personal histories. RNS recaps some of the lyrics:
In “Walk the Road,” they sing: “Sometimes you just have to be the one to set your own self free … what matters isn’t what you’re told. But how you walk the road.”
Scott wrote the slide guitar ballad “Can You Hear Me?” as a prayer for her father: “I want him to see, Jesus in me, like I see Jesus in him. Can you hear me? Father, can you hear me?”
What do you think about the band? You can read more about Micah’s Rule here.
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ITGuy
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:44amDisqualified. If my preacher was a practicing adulterer, he would not be qualified to stand behind that pulpit and tell me how to be a christian. No difference here. Christian bands\singers are ministers and if they are openly and proudly engaging in sin then they are disqualified from the ministry that they are in.
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chips1
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 10:19amEVIL is just trying to get a foot in the door. Next step is to make you an offer you can’t refuse. DON’T open your door.
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The_Jerk
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 1:32pmIt’s a freak show. They’re as old as entertainment.
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danielmchick
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 1:35pmSo basically, anyone who does not abide by your strict doctrine of Christianity is not worthy of ministry. Gotcha. You’d better be getting to work on getting people to pack those bags and get out.
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DimmuBorgir
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 1:51pm@ Daniel
Um, yeah. If you don’t follow a doctrine, how can you preach it?
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saranda
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 2:11pm@itguy – by definition isn’t GB an adulterer also. First wife did not die. How about Reagan? long list here if you want to start thinking about it. Bet you find some way to rationalize it though. hypocrite.
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john vincent
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 2:15pm-daniel
the posters here are correct-
-it is one thing to sin,
-it is another thing to live in sin,
-it is quite astounding that somebody would broadcast that they are living in sin.
Christianity is truly about liberty and grace; however, it is equally clear as to sin, and the consequences of sin, and believers are in fact accountable to each other ( where one member suffers, we all suffer) so while you may not understand, your lack of insight does not mean we should ‘wink’ at something egregious-
Along these lines, a corporate thief who professes christianity should have equally no right nor audience to hear his message of ‘thou shalt not steal,’ as he is also disqualified. Some folks want the ‘church’ to be liberal of all sin, but some things are rather clear.
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Nabuquduriuzhur
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 2:22pmAmen.
It’s like so many “reverends” today that are racist against whites, but complain about racism.
I’ve never met a practicing homosexual who was born again. I’ve met those who were not practicing, who were fighting it, who were born again.
The homosexual says “you must accept my sin because I love it”.
Take the three women I knew that went into porn who were believers before they became pornstars— they are not going to be rewarded at the 1 Corinthians 3 judgement for living a life of love of money and love of fornication. Wood, hay, and stubble. Poof.
It’s possible for a practicing homosexual to be a Christian, but it’s extremely rare. But will such a deliberate sinner get any rewards for doing wrong? The typical “Christian” practicing homosexual is not saved, they ignore most of the Bible because it convicts them, and they will end up at the white throne judgement hearing the words “… ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.” Just like every other person who chooses not to get saved, but “sort of” goes through the motions of acting like they are a Christian.
I fear for that half of those calling themselves “Christians” in the U.S. because of the results of not having been saved. They say “oh, I’m a Christian”, and there’s nothing in their lives to suggest it’s true.
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Locked
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 2:23pm@ITguy
“Christian bands\singers are ministers and if they are openly and proudly engaging in sin then they are disqualified from the ministry that they are in.”
If you don’t agree with the sins of other people, you are more than welcome to keep them out of your own church. However no one but God is allowed to decide if someone is a saved Christian or not. Your “disqualification” statement is without merit.
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danielmchick
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 2:26pm@Dim –
Way to completely miss the point.
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AvengerK
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 2:27pmCareful Shagrath…you play for the opposing team to Christianity don’t you? LOL.
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danielmchick
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 2:30pm@John –
Actually no, the Bible is not as clear as you are making it out to be.
The Bible contradicts itself frequently. Furthermore, Biblical sociology dictates that those times were rather ignorant of what homosexuality was. There are myriad contexts available to Biblical scholarship that you’re simply not considering.
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naughtycal
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 2:32pmJerk, you nailed it, it’s marketing grimmick for 15 minutes with the fame monster. Nothing more
The bible says we shouldn’t judge them so I won’t but it does say we shouldn’t support them or their life style so won’t do that either.
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AvengerK
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 2:51pmJOHNVINCENT..see how lefties work? No…homosexuality then was not as homosexuality is understood today..so therefore your source is to be ignored and DAFFYMHICK/MONICNE/WANGO is to be heeded.
With absolutely no credible evidence to offer for it..DAFFYHICK/TROLL/ad nauseum asserts that what people in antiquity believed to be homosexuals were not really homosexuals. So your source doesn’t know what it’s talking about. End of discussion.
But DAFFYCHICK/HORSEDANCER/ENCINOM/KRENEVA is also a perpetuator of the meme..”homosexuality exists in nature..just look at those bonobos or those penguins”. You see..just because an animal shows some behaviour that human homosexuals show, it is therefore a homosexual. Yet when examined more closely..let’s take Bonobos for instance.. same sex Bonobos will hump each other..not because they’re homosexual..but that’s how they settle disputes in their species. Similarly…those penguins.when they’re seperated and given a female to couple with, they do. It’s the isolation without a female..they nest together as the same sex as a survival mechanism. But ask DAFFYMCHICK/MONICNE…and these are really examples of homosexuality in nature.
It’s called goal post moving and lefties use it as part of their toolkit. If a criteria they don’t like is met..they simply move the criteria further out. This is part of the left’s moral relativism, they’re willing to hide, distract and lie for their ideology.
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AvengerK
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 3:14pmSHAGRATH…DAFFYCHICK is merely doing a little Alinsky.
DAFFYCHICK has no real grasp of faith in God or the value of the texts to the faithful or the meaning and purpose of the texts at all. All the troll knows is what it’s keepers have told it it should know and it repeats those verses just as faithfully as the most devoted christian.
So when you called the troll for preaching what it has no idea of…it had to react defensively..VOILA..a little Alinsky for you…”ridicule”. The troll (as it’s been doing thoughout this board) merely asserts you’re wrong (implication? your assertions are worthless) in an effort to appear to give value to it’s own assertions here. You doubt me? Follow what DAFFYCHICK/TROLL has been doing on this board.
danielmchick
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 3:19pm@Avenger –
So many logical fallacies, so little space. I would be impressive if not for being so sad. Argumentum ad hominem and a strawman argument are my two favorites there.
Considering homosexuality was first psychologically observed in the mid-1800′s, how is it that those living in Biblical times knew what it was?
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danielmchick
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 3:20pm@Avenger –
Considering you’d rather opt for personally attacking me rather than addressing what I’m saying, we’ll just end this here with the knowledge that you are the very epitome of what you purportedly are disgusted at.
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SquidVetOhio
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 3:51pm“Actually no, the Bible is not as clear as you are making it out to be.
The Bible contradicts itself frequently. Furthermore, Biblical sociology dictates that those times were rather ignorant of what homosexuality was. There are myriad contexts available to Biblical scholarship that you’re simply not considering.”
Quite possibly the dumbest thing ever posted. I love how the biblically ignorant are always trying to tell believers how the Bible is wrong. Well Mr. Bible scholar, name a contradiction and I will own you in 5 sentences or less. And yea, there were NO homosexuality in the Greek and Roman pagan cultures back then genius. Wow, MENSA must be begging you to join.
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DLV
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 4:03pmSquid- I agree that the bible has no contradictions when you study it but I’ve heard the Greeks and Romans at least some of them were homosexual.
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john vincent
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 4:07pm-danchick
‘bible not as clear?’ true, to any who does not have a sanctified mind.
Otherwise, clear as a bell, with no errors or contradictions.
The liberal mind cannot tolerate such dogmatism.
This is the authority given by the Spirit of God, plain and simple. Thus saith the LORD.
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AvengerK
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 4:27pmLOL…yeah DAFFYMCHICK…homosexuality never existed before the 1800′s in human civilization. Yeah…you’ll go far with that one little fella.
Ignoring the man-boy relationships of the ancient Athenians which pre-date Rome (and it’s own vices) and the new testament….
We’ll just move back to the evidence of same sex marriages in ancient Mesopotamia and Egypt which pre-date the new testament and the t’orah by how many thousand years champ?
Nah…only in the 1800′s did civilization start to know what a homosexual looks like. Dimwit.
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HarryPotter
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:47pmSome clarification for earlier posts/posters:
In ancient societies like Greece and Rome, male-male sex was very prevalent. Nearly every man had sex with other men as well as women. It was extremely unusual for anyone to stick with just one, although it did happen. For men, it did not matter if you had sex with a woman, man, boy or girl as long as you were the “top” in the action. Sexuality did not exist yet. The earlier comment about homosexuality being first recorded around 1800 refers to when the concept of homosexuality came into the scene, but societies had conceptions of homosexuality before then I believe the earlier post refers specifically to psychologists and their studies. It has only been in the last couple hundred years that people have felt compelled or forced to pick one or the other. Before then, you just had sex.
And for the record, none of this has any bearing on the current gay marriage issue.
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Jase
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:53pmdanielmchick-
Read: 1 corinthian 6:9-10, Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:26-27
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brknhrt
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:41amIf all three of these are living as celibate individuals then they are living for God and a good example for others like them. If they are involved in relationships with the same sex, then they are living in sin and their “ministry” is worthless.
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JQCitizen
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 10:08amYou NAILED IT! First comment I read, and there is very little more to say! God’s Precepts AND His Forgiveness are COMPLETE!
And the only those two seem incongruous to US, is because we have FINITE minds!!!
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JQCitizen
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 10:13am…the only (reason)…
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COFemale
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 10:27amSorry we all live in sin, so whether they are celibate or not is not for you to judge. You can be a Christian and still sin. They are not your typical idea of Christians, but are they less worthy of God? I think God can make his own decision and decide for himself. I don’t agree with the gay lifestyle or think transgender should not change their sex they were given by God, but I am not them. I have not walked in their shoes and neither have you. I can only imagine what they feel. I think they are confused on who they are or who they should be.
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Soulfire1975
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 10:45amThe only thing is if they want to change in their heart. That is where it counts.
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AvengerK
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 10:49amGod is in the forgiveness and redemption business and these people want to know him and love him. I will not judge them, they have faced the truth of the consequences of their psychological disorder and want God’s love in their life to help ease their troubled minds. God bless and keep them and their reward waits for them in heaven.
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walnutportconservative
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 11:00amBRKNHRT,
You say it well. I thank you for saving my time to write. My writings lack love of Christ… often.
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James
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 11:26amCan’t add any more to that!
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THERAPTURCOMES
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 1:20pmThere is nothing honorable about this and it is not CHRISTIAN
Go ahead and click on the link in the article for the ST Jude church and you will see that it is EMERGENT CHURCH
These people are of their master satan a “prayer labyrinth” that is new age emergent satan worshiping and nothing less
THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT CHRISTIAN
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iampraying4u
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 1:21pmIf its a gay and if its a lesb its not christan
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Native54
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 1:23pmEXACTLY Brknhart!!! …. We all stumble combating our sinful nature … but we are not to embrace and wallow in our sinful natures. The Scripture commands followers of Christs to come out, be set apart and not continue in our sinful behavior as before our conversion. If we claim the Name of Christ … then go and do as Jesus said … “go and sin no more.”
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RIDEMODELS
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 1:24pmCorrect…..well said…..Living in sin without marriage has been the downfall of the Ghetto and has led to Jerry Springer to make millions and millions of dollars.
In a country of Godless Judges this type of thing is not a shocker.
Send in the Meteors….!!
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memyselfandi
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 1:38pmMat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? (have we not been singing beautiful songs)
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (you cannot embrace sin as if it does not matter)
1Th 4:1 Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us HOW YOU OUGHT TO WALK AND TO PLEASE THE LORD, so ye would abound more and more.
1Th 4:2 For ye know what COMMANDMENTS we gave you by the Lord Jesus.
1Th 4:3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: (sexual sin)
1Th 4:4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel (control yourself) in sanctification (purity) and honour; (dignity)
1Th 4:5 Not in the lust of concupiscence (lusting after things which are forbidden), even as the Gentiles which KNOW NOT GOD:
It’s very simple really…is God the Lord of your life…or are you???
Jesus said “not my will be done” and we are to follow in His footsteps.
If a person will submit them self to God, the power of the Holy Spirit-coupled with the renewing of your mind through the written word of God will change you and cause you to reflect the very image of Christ and He was not gay.
Struggling with sin and embracing it are two completely different things.
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HarryPotter
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:59pmIf you feel that being gay is a sin, that’s fine. But not everyone feels the same way. There are plenty of Christians who see nothing wrong or sinful about homosexuality. If you think these people are living in sin, don’t listen to their music. It’s that simple.
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Wyld_goose
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:40amLet me understand the picture here. Christians are hate filled hypocrites. hmm ok, So how would “A Gay Man, a Lesbian and a Transgender” Muslim band go over?
Go ahead, please explain how Islam, the Religion of peace would defend a LGBT Muslim band.
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MDECKER
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 12:27pm“A Gay Man, a Lesbian and a Transgender” Sounds like the beginning of a dirty joke.
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danielmchick
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 1:17pmEven more poorly. Pointing to even worse behavior is no justification for bad behavior.
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AvengerK
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 3:04pmGosh DAFFYCHICK/SLEAZY HIPPO…..how pious of you.
We’ll just ignore your fellow humanists and their bad behaviour throughout the twentieth century like Stalin’s Russia, Khmer Rouge, Maoist China, Nazi Germany etc.
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danielmchick
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 3:14pmWhat are you even talking about, and how does that even apply to the topic at hand?
And are you really comparing homosexuality to genocide? Good God.
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AvengerK
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 4:37pmNo DAFFYCHICK..I’m pointing out that your humanist piety is laughable. Please keep try to keep up champ.
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TIMEBOMB
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:34amI want my serfs to know that I don’t have a problem with their gayness since I’m gay as well. However I don’t like the idea of gospel music since I’m an atheist. They’re also white another problem since I’m a racist and if you think I’m bad you should see my beard she’s an OG RACIST,hell I’m surprised she hasn’t started killin whitey.
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deeberj
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:33amJust because they sing “Christian” music doesn’t mean they are a good example of a Christian. I will not listen to them or buy their music. They are confused and need to be taught the truth.
2 Tim 4: 3-4 – For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
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COFemale
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 10:33amWho are you to judge? It is not your place to judge them, let us leave to God. It does not matter what we think, it is what he thinks. I support your right to not by their music, but you have no right to judge them.
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deeberj
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 10:45amcofemale
here we go again with that same lame argument about not judging. Anyone who uses this argument is not very knowlegable about Christianity and what is expected of a Christian.
I am not judging them. I am not saying they are going to hell. But I can look at what the bible teaches, which is what Christians are supposed to believe, and I can use the brain God gave me and I can jugde if a person is not following the precepts they are supposed to be following. Some sins are easier to see than others. They have admitted to their sin. God clearly sets out what is sin and what is not, and homosexuality is a sin.
So it’s not what you call judging to say they are sinning and are confused. It’s paying attention.
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lildrummerboy
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 11:14am@Cofemale…you continue to use that phrase “who are you to judge’ to silence people with more conviction than yourself. Everyone understands that only God knows what is going on in the hearts of these people. However, they continue to exclusively reach out to other gays. Are they trying to help ease the conscience’s of the gay community so they don’t feel the effects of their sin or are they preaching that homosexuality is a sin. If they repented and the latter of the previous statement is true, then God will bless them, if not he will not. My one concern is that if this transgender has repented, then why is it still wearing make-up and cross-dressing? Did the transgender find the Lord after the transformation or before? There are alot of unknowns here, so your quick defense may not be based in wisdom, but emotion.
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fedup ohio
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 12:50pm@Cofemale,
We are NOT judging anyone, God has already judged being gay is a sin. Being a Christian means, you follow God’s Word. God’s Word commands Christians to spread his Word. Does that make it any clearer for you. If not, take the time to read the Bible. I rather you you read it for yourself anyway, instead of taking my word for it.
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girlnurse
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 1:21pmSorry cofemale..you are wrong on this one. If you call yourself a Christian it IS our job to judge…but “judge rightly” according to the word of God.
Matthew 7:3-5 says”….first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye”.
In other words, we can’t judge someone IF we are doing the very same thing they are..so we need to get our own lives in order first.
Then He says: Matthew 18:15-17
“If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every fact may be confirmed. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector”
AND:
2 Timothy 3:16-17, “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”
I could quote more but that is enough for now. God wants us to correct “Christians” who are straying from the faith but call themselves Christians. He loves them and it IS our job to correct them..It is the Holy spirits job to convict the heart..but we as Christians need to speak up for Gods word.
Proverbs 28:23 He who rebukes a man will in the end gain more favor than he who has a flatte
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imperative
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 5:30pm@girlnurse
THANK YOU! I get so tired of hearing people say that we’re not supposed to judge. We’re required to judge, but we must not judge hypocritically.
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HarryPotter
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 10:06pmI’m sorry, but if you are judging a person without knowing them, it is always done hypocritically. The day you can honestly say you live without sin, feel free to judge. The day God speaks to you personally and tells you what His rules are for this modern time, feel free to judge. Until then, keep it to yourself.
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girlnurse
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 3:06amRight imperative!
HarryPotter..we are only required to judge those brothers and sisters who claim to be Christians. And God speaks to us all the time through His word, His creation, and His still small voice. Didn’t you read what He said in His word? Unless you are “born again” you wouldn’t understand. As the bible says> His word should be used to rebuke and correct (wayward Christians). The word says homosexuality is a sin–therefore anyone who calls themself a Christian and is living in willfull sin and encouraging others that it is okay to do so–needs severely corrected and rebuked.
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HarryPotter
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 3:48amGirlnurse:
My point was that you cannot judge them without knowing them at all. You know only that they are gay (and transgender), that they are Christian and that they are in a band. You have no idea if any of them are in relationship, are having sex, or what kinda of lives they live. You are making assumptions without knowing them at all. That was my point about hypocritical judgement.
Also, the Bible does not mention homosexuality. There are a few verses that speak of men laying with other men however. So I will agree, homosexual intercourse is just as much of a sin as eating shellfish. We all sin. But without knowing these people at all, you are assuming that their sins are worse than yours.
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imperative
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 11:38am@HarryPotter
You seem to be suggesting that what is considered sin is entirely relative to a particular culture at a particular time. In other words, speaking objectively, there is no sin.
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HOOT_OWL
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:33amHere you go ..! This is what I just read.
WHITE people = Al Sharpton , Jesse Jackson , Oprah Winfrey
CHRISTIAN people = Hom0sexual ,transgender , lesbian.
Would the Blaze call the king of England ,a ‘founding father.’.?
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CONSERVIDUDE
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:28amThis is what I was expecting…….”A Gay Man, a Lesbian and a Transgender walk into a bar…….”
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3monkeysmomma
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 12:01pmThat was what popped into my mind as well.
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kdshell1
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:28amHow can they sing about new, recreated life in Jesus while living their same old life?
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Faith in God
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 12:10pmcorrect
straight is the way, narrows the gate. only the straight will enter into
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kujo55
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 12:49pmGreat point! They truly do not understand what they are singing about (and this is just some publicity stunt) or if they truly are saved they are fighting the Holy Spirits leading in their life to be more fashioned into Christ’s likeness and living for him.
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HarryPotter
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 10:08pmHow can you say such things when you know nothing about them?
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Locked
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:27amI honestly thought the title would end with “… walk into a bar…”
Not my place to judge them; we’re all sinners. The important thing is to believe in Christ, live by His teachings as much as possible, and repent when we fall short and sin.
And if their music succeeds in bringing even one more person to Christ, it’s a good thing!
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DLV
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:37amRight, I’ll let God do the judging but based on what’s in the bible, he won’t be happy with their life choices.
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john vincent
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:45am-lock
the question was asked to a group of believers: ‘dont u know you are going to judge angels How is then that u cannot judge the simplest of things?’ my paraphrase.
There is this thing called preaching ‘another’ Jesus, Gal 1; in which a severe warning was given. I think that they who say this rock group is off just a bit, are not entirely incorrect.
while I do agree, good can be done, the Lord came not to make a bad man good good- but to make a dead man alive, unfortunately most focus on ‘making a better man…’
I have heard music that I enjoy, but I do not necessarily like the band, so I guess some agreement can be had somewhere here.
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Locked
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:53am@DLV
“I’ll let God do the judging but based on what’s in the bible, he won’t be happy with their life choices.”
Probably not; as said we’re all sinners, so I doubt He’ll be happy with any of us. But we can all also repent :-)
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DLV
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 10:26amYes, let’s hope they repent of their life choices. Also I don’t know if you say this way back when but I saw you and Truth4all arguing and I said stop arguing you’re both christians. Here is a song, you’re both awake and alive. Haha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aJUnltwsqs
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RaydocX
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:26amyou don’t have to agree with their lifestyle or listen or associate with openly gay people…
that’s your right.
But pretending they are less of a person than you, or deserve less consideration, or are somehow ‘deviants’ or cannot know God’s love is… mean.
Thinking and acting that way is precisely the attitude and approach that the Left scare the Independents with… you are a stereotype. A caricature.
You are the modern equivalent of the fools standing outside the Little Rock high school shouting hate at children over the color of their skin.
Grow up. Learn to accept difference… you’ll find some LGBT folks are the nicest people in the world.
The RADICALS in their camp are no different from the radicals on the Left and the Right… they DON’T represent most gay people any more than Terry Jones represents you.
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HOOT_OWL
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:50amBaloney …!
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. “We want to be a musical group like any other, but we realize our back story will get out.”
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This group is straight up trying to deceive . They are secretly pushing their lifestyle that is SIN THAT THEY CONDONE..!
Every ones sins, but NO Christian condones their sins. This is a perversion and is NOT hate speech to point it out. We Christians are called to warn and point out people who twistthe word of God. You like these People are a False prophet and need to be called out for your deception, that will lead them to the gates of hell.
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Brentley
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 10:01amI love the sinner..i was one am one…I hate the sin..It is ONLY BY GRACE through FAITH that I have salvation.
God is LOVE and he is also the ultimate JUDGE. The day is coming when we will all stand before him. Some at the JUDGEMENT SEAT some at the GREAT WHITE THRONE.
Books will be opened and if your name is not in the book of LIFE written there for all eternity when you are saved then you will go to HELL a place of separation and torment for ETERNITY.
Again these are not my words they are GODS.
John 3:16 says For GOD so LOVED the world he gave his only begotten SON that Whosever believeth in HIM should not perish but have eternal life.
Jesus came not to condemn the world but to save the world. Only way for that to happen is you have to believe. and when you believe you become a new creature. Again NOT ME SAYING THIS…JESUS says this.
So if you don’t like that, then you have to take it up with GOD. I would pray that entire world would know the peace and joy that comes from knowing CHRIST! Alas that will not happen because of mans sinful nature and the influence of SATAN himself.
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Jmac1962
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 1:21pm“Nice” people won’t get into heaven, only those that accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Saying one is a gay Christian is as non-sensical as saying someone is a Christian thief. Stealing is a sin. You aren’t saved until you repent. If they are still in an active homosexual relationship they have not yet repented.
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sweetieboat
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 3:39pmWe are the most arrogant of people to think we can tell God he made us with the wrong body or with the wrong desires. We need to bring our desires into God’s will for us.
It is up to us to defend not “my belief’s” but what the bible says. If we cannot believe the word as written there is no reason to believe in the God of the bible because I am reading one thing and making up another.
It amazed me to read that homosexuality comes from a mind that is already messed up. Do I like to tell someone this, “NO” but the bible says I must or I become ( i am the watchman) responsible for
his judgement. However, the purpose is to bring some one into the family, or reprove and encourage in love.
If the immoral knew how much I want to be liked you would not be so flippant about my defense of the bible or the word of God.
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HarryPotter
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 10:13pmI wrote this above, but I this these comments are worthy of it being repeated. The day you can honestly say you live without sin, feel free to judge them. The day God speaks to you personally to tell you his plans for the modern world, feel free to judge. Until then, keep it to yourself.
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BamaGuyinNC
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:26amJust a thought here, what if these people actually are Christian? I do not know what it’s like to have a same-sex attraction; nor do I understand the feeling like I was born in the wrong body. However, I have struggled with a damning sin by which Jesus saved me from. I say that to say this, what if this band is made up of sinners who are struggling with the sin of homosexuality? We all have sin-struggles that we deal with and they tend to be lifelong issues. The sin of homosexuality is no exeption. However, sin has to be repented of and turned away from. Living openly in any sin, discredits Christ’s work on the cross. By the way, we cannot know their hearts and whether they are truly saved or not.
MakeHimKnown
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daver18
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:51amMuch of what you say makes sense except that you contradict yourself when you don’t expect them to repent of their sin. If they were former homosexuals, for example, who had repented of their sin and were trying to live a sinless life, then they would fit the description of someone who could be Christian. But they cannot follow Jesus unless they repent of their sin and work to live a life without sin. And if you knew anything about the Metropolitan churches around the country you’d know that they do not preach truth, but error. This story is no surprise considering the source. Remember that we’re dealing with a secular news source so we can’t expect them to understand what a Christian is even if they claim to be Christians. They have shown that they are not and don’t understand Christianity. Stories like this just reinforce how badly this world needs our prayers and love to bring them to the truth and out of sin.
BamaGuyinNC
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 11:41am@DAVER18, thanks for the feedback. I wasn’t saying that they haven’t nor wouldn’t repent of their sin. I was relating such a sin as homosexuality to sin in gerneral which needs to be repented.
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Xylliab_of_the_Znarghh
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 6:08pmHow about this, what if they are Christians who don’t think that homosexuality is a sin? Not all Christians are fundamentalists. You can believe in the divinity of Christ and accept his teachings without believing that the entire Bible is the word of God. In fact, that’s what most people who call themselves Christians in this country believe. Jesus is our lord and savior. Noah’s Ark is a fairy tale. God doesn’t give a hoot if cousin Fred lives with his boyfriend any more than He cares if I eat clams or bacon. If you dismiss everybody who holds these beliefs as not a true Christian, then that would make Christians a minority in this country and invalidate any argument for allowing Christian teachings to influence our public policies.
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lgccac
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:25amHomosexuality is a sin and an abomination to God.
People need to read the entire Bible and not just take verses out of context in an effort to support their own personal agenda.
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danielmchick
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 1:36pmYou really could use a Biblical Sociology lesson or two.
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AvengerK
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 3:17pmis that what your lefty professor told you to say in these situations DAFFYMCHICK/ENCINOM?
Does the aging hippie still control you after all these years? You really believe the failure that is the liberal arts has any weight in a scholarly discussion?
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danielmchick
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 3:21pmI’d be interested to see you actually apply scholarly standards to a debate before you criticize it, Avenger.
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AvengerK
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 4:50pmLOL…”scholarly standards” DAFFYCHICK? You’re the cretin who further up on this board tried to say that homosexuality didn’t exist before the 1800′s therefore whatever the bible says about it is null and void.
Thanks for playing champ.
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YOURSENSEI
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 6:48pmMr or Ms DANIELMCHICK,
This is what you must know:
That Avegerkkk is a hoot, ain’t he? As you can see, he has unresolved “issues” that haunt him daily. They center mostly around a narrow life without meaningful experiences, little variety of interaction. This has left him frustrated that he can’t summon anything interesting or provocative to say. That;s why he obsesses on multiple identities and circling the drain defending the failed policies and strategies of conservatives.
Trust me, he’ll continue to whirl. Enjoy it.
It is so.
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2GodBeTheGlory
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:23amBilly Hallowell should move on from The Blaze. His writings are left leaning and his topics do not reflect any discernible direction other than “rag talk”. I find NO reason to believe they are Christians as they do not portray a life of Christ AT ALL. Nor does Christ consider people who continue to live in a life style that HE said we should not only refute but not to have any dealings with those that continue on the path of destruction. If people will not repent then as Christians, you move on.
You may believe my words are harsh, however, Christ came to SAVE the sinner, he came to change the hearts of those that would repent. Many did, but many did not. Narrow is the way to salvation, wide is the way to destruction.
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Eastinfection
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:29amWow, 2GODBETHEGLORY…. congratulation on being elected Pope. I see we’ve wasted no time assuming the role of infallibility.
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DLV
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:36amHe is right though, East. I’m not going to go spewing off derogatory terms like other so called “christians” here but he makes the biblical point which is not his own. Jesus called sinners to him, but sinners that were willing to repent. You can’t go to him as a murderer say you will change your life and then go on a killing spree. IT doesn’t make sense. I’m not going to go too much into this because it it’s a waste of my time to explain something for the millionth time but it is what it is. Glad, they’re helping bring people to Christ but I can see with certainty God won’t be happy with their life choices and this comes from the bible not me. So… yeah.
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2GodBeTheGlory
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:38am@Eastinfection
Did not take you long to bring yourself down to name calling, did it?
If you think my words are wrong, fine, say so, however, that would also mean that you think the Bible is wrong. Own it!
I do not think myself better than any person, however, I also admit that I try NOT to sin. Not always successful, however, I would NEVER say to ANYONE that a sin that I commit was ok for someone else to commit, nor embrace my life to that sin. THAT IS THE PATH TO DESTRUCTION.
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Eastinfection
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 10:00am2GODBETHEGLORY…
You called Billy Hallowell a “leftist, rag-talk’ writer… and i’m the name caller for calling you “Pope”?
You also took it upon yourself to judge the salvation status of three individuals you know very little about.
I don’t dispute your beliefs and did not indicate as such.
I implied that you post seemed pompous and existentially judgmental…
You and JC can have a chat about how pious those qualities are.
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2GodBeTheGlory
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 10:27am@Eastinfection
You are a hater. You hate anyone that does not believe as you do and you hate the bible. I, on the other hand, do not hate people in so far as they are people, however, I do have a problem with peoples sin. I have a problem when people CLAIM that they are Christian but I KNOW they cannot be as they embrace sin, and can point to where it says that in the bible. You hate me because I bring out what the bible teaches. You hate me because I bring the bible into the conversation, and because you cannot refute the bible to shore up your belief. So you start name calling because you cannot bring truth to the conversation. Christ did not come to the earth to bring peace. Christ did not come to this earth to bring everyone to heaven. He came to save those that would repent and follow the will of the father. No, I cannot say who is saved, however, I can say who is not saved. The bible is quite clear on who are saved and who will not be saved. I cannot judge a person soul, however, I am commanded to judge a persons actions. Does it mean that a person cannot become saved, no, however, I can say with certainty that if you cling to sin, you will not be in heaven.
As far a Billy is concerned, I’ve read many, almost all, articles he has written. His articles are left leaning and in this case, attempt to normalize and sensationalize sin as something that is Christian. If thet is not what a rag does, then we will agree to disagree.
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DLV
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 10:28amEast I would hardly call either of you name calling but I would say 2Be wasn’t trying to judge anyone so calling him pope would be a bit off.
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Eastinfection
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 10:43amDLV.. thank you for your pleasant demeanor but read @GODBETHEGLORY’s newest, hateful, presumptuous attack on me before declaring he/she is not a name caller.
2GODBETHEGLORY… I love the Bible. I also love ALL of God’s children… even lost sheep. Please try to have a pleasant day despite being surrounded by sinners less perfect than yourself.
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Zipit
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 1:36pm2GOD! Chill a little bit would ya!
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2GodBeTheGlory
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 3:20pm@Zipit
If my post seem harsh, please know that I am passionate about God and HIS word. For some to water down and claim that Jesus was a “live and let live” savior are ether uninformed or knowingly sending out a message that is NOT Christ’s. For people to say that we are not called to judge is incorrect, to say that anyone can be saved and still embrace the same sin is not only wrong but contradict HIS teaching. Does Christ command us to kill those that will not repent, no, however, we are to treat those a different and separate from God.
If you want references, I will be glad to assist.
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HarryPotter
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 10:24pm2god:
Yes, please reference what Jesus said about homosexuality.
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2GodBeTheGlory
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 11:27pm@HarryPotter
Matthew 7:22
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
You cannot do the will of the Father when the Father said that homosexuality is an abomination. It was one of the few sins that the punishment was death. So, again, how can you do the will of the Father when God has spoken so against an act? Was he wrong? Remember, this is not a apparel or food sin, this is an abomination. Big difference. Be very careful how you respond do those questions. Remember, all sins are forgiven save one. Matthew 12:31
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HarryPotter
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 12:27am2god:
Please understand, I am not trying to offend here, I am trying to understand.
First of all, that verse speaks of doing the Lord’s will and entering heaven. It has nothing to do with homosexuality. This is my issue. Jesus never spoke about homosexuality, and the Bible says many other things, like divorce, lying, and eating shellfish are against the will of God. You say that this is different. Why? What makes it different? Even in the 10 commandments passed down to man through Moses, the only one related to sex was adultery. It seems to me that the couple verses that speak of man laying with another man fall more into the category of shellfish and clothing than of the teachings of Jesus.
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2GodBeTheGlory
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 1:14am@HarryPotter
Did you not read my post to you? You say that it seams that the sin is the same as eating shellfish, etc., however, again, it is not. This are not things that I am making up, look and read for yourself.
You also did not understand or respond to the part where I said that embracing sin is what is really bad. Yes, we commit sin, however, it’s embracing the sin that is the real problem. You cannot be forgiven of something that you continue to do. Like being a murder and asking God’s forgiveness while killing more and then saying afterwards that you are a Christian, then do it all over again. Do you see the problem?
Christ talked about lots of sin, the sin of the flesh is a pretty big one as we all fall down on that one (well, I have), however, I never said to people, hay, it’s ok, that I embrace this sin, God will forgive me as I do it over and over again. That is not repentance.
Please look up the word repentance.
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HarryPotter
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 1:21am2god:
I did read your post, but I’m not sure you read mine. I asked WHY the couple passages about man laying with man are different then passages on shellfish and clothing. You say that they are different, but you do not say why.
And I agree that it is not true repentance if you continue to sin willingly. I just don’t believe that being gay is a sin. At least not any more of a sin that eating shellfish or telling a child that Santa Claus exists.
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2GodBeTheGlory
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 7:48am@HarryPotter
Yes I did in my first post to you. Homosexuality is an abomination.
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2GodBeTheGlory
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 8:41am@Harrypotter
Also, homosexuality is in at least three books of the bible.
There are only 7 abominations in the bible.
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HarryPotter
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 11:36am2god:
I see. So you are choosing which verses from the Bible to follow based the appearance of a single word which almost certainly had a different meaning in the original Greek? And why are you so focused on homosexuality, and not those people failing to follow the 10 commandments? There are only 10 of those? Why not the teachings of Jesus? He spoke about loving your neighbor, and yet most of the posts I have seen on here have been presumptive judgement of a neighbor, and often outright hatred. I’m sorry, but your reason here makes no sense to me.
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2GodBeTheGlory
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 12:53pm@HarryPotter
You are cherry picking the bible. If you read and cannot understand, or refuse to understand, that is not my sin. I do have the original Greek and Hebrew where I do use dictionaries on the original Hebrew or Greek words. FWI: the old testament is in Hebrew, the new is in Greek.
The English word abomination is the old testament Hebrew word for shiqquwts (“shiqqûts”) and sheqets (found in the bible). An abomination in English is that which is exceptionally loathsome, hateful, sinful, wicked, or vile.
I do not cherry pick abominations, it is just the topic of this article. I would feel the same way about stealing, fraud, bearing false witness, taking someones wife and many other of the 10 commandments and other laws of God, including the top two that Jesus talked about. You state that Jesus was all about just loving one another, which is not completely correct as he also said that if people do not believe in HIS WORD then you should walk away and shun them. Jesus talked about doing the will of the Father, he did not come to abolish the law, he came to fulfill it. Again, you cannot be in the will of the Father while embracing a sin that HE calls an abomination. Jesus said you MUST do the will of the Father. This part of my writings are not to be taken as just one sin, but any sin that a person embraces. Jesus describes this as serving two masters.
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HarryPotter
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 4:14pm2god:
It is refreshing to see someone who is actually knowledgeable and not just repeating what someone else has said. However, you still seem to be cherry picking which parts of the Bible to follow. Why are you so focused on homosexuality, and not adulterers, as in those people who have divorced and remarried? Are you opposed to capital punishment, as that is murder? Are you opposed to telling children that Santa Claus exists because that is murder? And I still don’t understand why you don’t think that the passages about clothing and shellfish are worth obeying. They may not be called abominations, but they are orders from God aren’t they?
And for the record, I do not cherry pick verses to follow. I don’t hold the Bible to be the exact word of God, as man held the pen. Even if it was divinely inspired, the writers could and would have inevitably inserted their own thoughts and opinions and biases into the text. Also, the Old Testament predates the concept of history, so I don’t consider it to be very historically accurate. I follow the overarching message of the Bible, which is love. When you get bogged down with individual passages, you begin to see problems and miss what the Bible is truly about.
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2GodBeTheGlory
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 4:43pm@HarryPotter
I do try to follow Christ in what he says, that I should allow the spirit to move me, to read the word, and let me become the word, to live the word of God, not just read it.
You state that I cherry pick the bible, using food or clothes as your points, however, further reading would inform you that food restrictions where already taken off the “menu” via Peter. Clothes and Jewish traditions where taken of the shelf because I am not Jewish (Paul talked about this).
Are my children taught about Santa Clause as a living, magical entity, no, nor do we teach magic of any type. We do not watch live TV. My wife and I are vary cautious with the upbringing of Gods children the HE entrusted into our care. We believe that God should be paramount in all things, then each other, then the children. Do I believe in capital punishment, yes on a case by case basis. If someone is attacking my wife or my children and the only recourse that I have is to kill, then I will kill. If you look at what Jesus says, to “murder” is to kill for gain or anger, or lust, is the sin. Remember when Peter cut off the guards ear, where do you think he got the sword from? It was his as they normally carried a sword during that time as thieves would lay along side the road to kill you and take your stuff. The question you should ask, did God ever command to kill someone? If so, why?
The bible is true and accurate, never dis-proven.
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HarryPotter
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 11:54pm2god:
Thank you for your polite and measured comments. I still disagree with you on many counts, but it is nice to see that even people with opposing views of the Bible can still be civil to one another.
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American-first
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:22amSo play the music and don’t try to push your views on me!
Why is it at some point it becomes more about what your doing for sex?
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Chuck Anziulewicz
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:29amBut I thought the whole idea of “Christian Music” WAS to push your views!
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Chatikh
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 1:15pm@AMERICAN-FIRST
If saying you are gay or lesbian means talking “about what your[sic] doing for sex,” then if you have children, I really really hope you never mention them to anyone ever. Because unless they are adopted, I already know more than I want to know about your sex life. For example, if you give me their birthday, I can probably guess within a month span of when you had sex with your sex partner. Sorry, but I do not find you interesting enough to want to know anything about your sex life. Please keep any details about what you’re doing for sex out of our eyes and the ears of your family and acquaintances.
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keywest62
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:20am….and I thought I was confused with life???? LOL LOL
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:19amHahahaha…I can’t wait to hear the hate that will spill from the mouths of “christians” on this one today. Lol I love it!
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Brentley
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:30amDoors_ not going to spill forth hate. Just say this. It is sad that people that call themselves Christian do not follow the bible. Not going to judge that is for GOD to do and he will. That being said you look at the scriptures and it is very revealing. When you are SAVED old things pass away BEHOLD ALL THINGS BECOME NEW…your lifestyle changes, your attitude changes, you become a new creature.
To continue as a bisexual or transsexual or homosexual, is not a change. So they should examine their own lives. What they present is not a changed life. Based on that I can firmly question their Christianity. NOT ME SPEAKING…..GOD SAYS THAT!
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DLV
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:32amYou truly are one sick puppy.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 10:03amDLV, DOORS as about 99.9% of the lib and atheist trolls here consider speech in which you do not agree with them to be nothing more than an expression of hate. Naturally, his bashing of this who are religious is his right to freedom of speech. Go figure. Oh yeah, watch for ENCINOM to get to this story if you want to see some real hate.
I said this once before here, and will say it again. I was always taught that God welcomes all of us sinners into his flock.
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 10:11am@DLV
You are a sicker puppy than I. Saw on a recent post how you couldn’t wait for your god to come back and destroy this nation…unless you were joking…that is psychotic and you should seek mental help.
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HOOT_OWL
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 10:19amDoors.
It’s not hate to point out their deception ,their LIE.
They want to keep their SIN hidden .
A secret my guess ,until they become famous or land a record deal ,then the flame will come out.
Let them walk all over some other belief ,they have no desire to follow.
Hey Doors ,Why not welcome into your fold. Makes a lot more sense. Until All you guys get right with God ,your all going down. No pun intended.
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DLV
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 10:24amDoors- I don’t think so. I didn’t say I want to kill anyone, I just want to see people get their just desserts or plainly put justice. Basically I want to watch when God delivers justice, that’s not really sick at all. IN fact, quite the opposite. That means I’m right in the head.
Rj- completely agree with both parts. However, it should be noted that it is sinners who are WILLING to repent.
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 11:05am@DLV
Yeah you are right that is perfectly sane, reminds of the crowds that gather in market squares in Saudi Arabia to behead and cut of the hands of criminals. They cheer and smile and have a really good time at sight of human death and anguish. You are sick…it is not justice if you enjoy it…
I would say only religion causes good people to do bad things but I think you were probably bad to begin with. Please keep believing in your sky dad…you need him..
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DLV
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 11:49amYeah you are right that is perfectly sane, reminds of the crowds that gather in market squares in Saudi Arabia to behead and cut of the hands of criminals.”
Oooo, nope wrong again. Strike 2. Those people in SA are doing, (more often than not) doing injustice, mob killings etc. Also, I’m not the one doing the executing, God would be.
“You are sick…it is not justice if you enjoy it…”
Ugh no wrong again. Plenty of people enjoy justice. Don’t tell me you are not happy when a serial killer is convicted by a jury of peers. Sick people deserve justice, that makes me happy. Evil getting convicted. Good winning, all things to happy about. It’s not me who is sick, it’s you sir. But you like the guilty, it’s all good.
I would say only religion causes good people to do bad things but I think you were probably bad to begin with. Please keep believing in your sky dad…you need him..”
oooo wrong again. Atheistic philosophies have caused far more deaths. And again the term sky dad just shows you how ignorant you are. Have fun in your ignorant bliss. I’m always open for polite debate, but not ignorant name calling. Educate yourself on Christianity instead of sticking to your ad hominem attacks. I thought “educated” people knew that. Guess not.
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 12:23pmIt’s not a mob…they are carried out by the Saudi government. Also, reminds me at how close christians are to muslims. Christianity of course has had it’s reformation and been forced kicking and screaming into modernity by secular socities. Islam hasn’t had that yet. But they say similiar things to you…their believers will be perched in heaven comfortably on lavender pillows under a shade tree as they watch unbelievers, like you, get JUSTICE and burn for eternity in hell. They will laugh while Allah grows your skin back only to be burned again. Only you believe the opposite…did you know you had so much in common with muslims? Hope your god is the correct one…statistically speaking it’s probably not.
I was a christian for most of my life…so I know exactly what christians think. I have seen you get destroyed by Moderation so we don’t need to rehash that. I don’t know why me calling your supernatural father “sky dad” is so offensive to you. But sorry…I apologize.
Site some of these athiestic philosophies that have killed so many people…Spinoza? Lucretius? Paine?
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DLV
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 12:48pmWell there are similarities between islam and christianity but the main differences are in God’s characteristics. Allah generally doesn’t show mercy while the fact is that one of Jesus’ main messages is mercy. So basically the difference is the muslims carry out justice themselves they don’t even let allah do it. I don’t go around killing people but I’m perfectly willing to let a perfect fair God do the justice. Seriously if you can’t see the differences between muslims and christianity, then you need help. Stop being burdened by your bias and actually try to construct an argument that sheds christianity in innocent light. You’ll get the answer.
Mod was wrong and did not destroy me. He had a fundamental misunderstanding of how God operates and because you giuys think the same you saw that as “destroying me” when in fact, you have no idea how God operates because you couldn’t get what I was trying to tell him and you. Being a “Christian” doesn’t mean squat. Plenty of people are Christians but have zero idea about the bible, Jesus and more. And the fact, you call god sky daddy lends credence to my conclusion. IF you were truly a former christian you and mod would understand why Jesus had to die even if you don’t believe it.
Atheistic philosophies? communism mainly. Every communist state took out religion and it had the same result. Clearly your way is no better, so you can quit that. Cont.
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DLV
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 12:51pmI think South Park ironically said it best in the episode go god go. Without religion, atheists would still be fighting over what version of science was the best. You’ll never get rid of fighting even if you get rid of religion. You’re completely naive if you think so. There will always be killing and the atheistic countries have tried it and failed.
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 1:13pmNo you got destroyed by MOD…I completely understood what you trying to say and I’m sure he did too. I was a christian for most of my life, brought people to the lord, witnessed, missioned, all of it. Read my bible every day, jesus was my personal friend. So I know exactly what you were trying to say…I just know it’s all garbage now and it only makes sense when you’re still actively in the delusion. Communism is not atheism…that is communisms fault. Are all people who believe in god National Socialists? Do we blame their philosophy on god or national socialism?
These are you words…
“All I can say is I am actively looking forward to when god destroys this nation. It happened to my favorite country and it will happen to us. I’ll be sitting with him hopefully laughing at the fools.”
This makes you gross…
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DLV
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 2:15pmNo you got destroyed by MOD…I completely understood what you trying to say and I’m sure he did too. ”
It really didn’t seem like it Doors. He didn’t have answers to some basic questions I have. His entire argument hinged on this question. If God knew what would happen that we would fall into sin why would he bother creating us only to send us to hell? I answered his question with some logical arguments to back it up and then raised him another which was why should I not exist because some people refuse to turn to God? And then he said your God makes the rules which means he can change them at any time. This proves that he truly did not understand because God can’t change his own rules he needs to be CONSISTENT and giving us all free passes to heaven breaks his character which is not something he can do. Then he had confusion about why Jesus died on the cross which is so freaking basic to anyone especially a “former christian” that it shouldn’t even need to be asked. So you’ll excuse me if I call bullcrap on your and Mod’s claims of “I used to be a christian.” All I have is your word that you used to be put your words do not back up that claim. Like I said, even if you don’t believe it you should be able to tell me why Christ died on the cross. But neither of you did that. So Mod did not destory me. At best he brought up an interesting argument that may not have a concrete answer. Other than that he left a lot of questions unanswered cont.
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DLV
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 2:22pmI just know it’s all garbage now and it only makes sense when you’re still actively in the delusion.”
That’s funny because my friend on this site Sleazy Hippo Offspring used to be a hardcore atheist along with Lee Strobel (who despised Christians by the way) until they investigated with earnest. Here is another reason why I can’t become an atheist, even when I feel like I hate GOd the most, I can feel his presence, which assures me he is still there. So there is no way I can be atheist given what I know.
Communism is not atheism…that is communisms fault.”
Communism is atheism but atheism isn’t necessarily communism. What I mean is communism will always have a non-religious root because at its core it’s not religious. Religion is the opium of the masses- Marx. However, atheists can have a strict libertarianism like those in the French Revolution who were atheists who by the way killed thousands of people and got rid of religion. That’s the other end of it. Name me one communist christian country, I dare you. You won’t find any and if you somehow do, they certainly aren’t following Christ’s teachings. They are most likely saying it in the name of Christianity for the people but are truly for themselves.
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DLV
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 2:26pmAre all people who believe in god National Socialists? Do we blame their philosophy on god or national socialism?
National socialism has nothing in common with God.
“All I can say is I am actively looking forward to when god destroys this nation. It happened to my favorite country and it will happen to us. I’ll be sitting with him hopefully laughing at the fools.”
I said it once and I’ll say it again. It was me looking forward to evil getting their just desserts. Nothing more nothing less. I hate arrogant, evil, people and it will make me happy to see how stupid they were when they look into the face of an angry god. Think of it like Sauron getting justice for what he did. That’s how I view it. YOu can’t call that sick and remain good even loosely. lol.
“I used to be an atheist like you but then I took an arrow to the knee.” Lol I had to go there.
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AvengerK
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 2:37pmahhh…that explains a lot about your hatred of christians DOORSIE…..you have chip on your shoulder because you thought God would give you preferrential treatment and perform magic tricks for you.
Oh and DOORSIE? Marxism..the philosophical foundation of communism abhores all religion and belief in God. Yes champ..communists are atheists. And they’re responsible for countless hundreds of millions of deaths and incarcerations throughout the twentieth century..you know..that century of “humanism and enlightenment”? Heck..China still has gulags.
Thanks for playing champ.
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iampraying4u
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 4:03pmLove the sinner hate the sin
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SpankDaMonkey
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:18am.
A Gay Man, a Lesbian and a Transgender walk into a Bar…..What! Why can’t I tell that Joke? Ok I’ll be a good Monkey…..Darn and it was a good Joke…..
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Eastinfection
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:27amguessing the punchline mentions “nuts”.
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tnman65
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 2:39pmWait. Before you finish the joke. Which one is which? Because from looking at the picture I can’t tell.
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dannyo
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:16amtwo gays and a transgender…TMI…not into identity music, i’ll stick with classic rock stoners…
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danielmchick
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 1:37pmSo you’re into identity music.
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Eastinfection
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:12amI just checked out their Music.
It’s not bad.
Indigo Girls meets Garth Brooks.
Not my favorite genre but well performed.
http://www.micahsrule.com/fr_home.cfm
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MRARGUELLES267
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:07amNot being Christian or gay I do not see anything wrong. But to each their own. If they enjoy playing Christian and country music and people enjoy listing to them. Great! Better them than more cheesy pop music.
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Gonzo
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:06am“We don’t follow God’s rules, but we would certainly like to make some money off those that do.”
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hi
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:20amExactly.
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Exidor
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:06amSo the Transgendered one is bald?
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progressiveslayer
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:14amIt’s in transition.
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Gonzo
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:15amI assume it’s the one on the left. So, if he/she/it hooks up with the woman on the right, is that a lesbian relationship? I’m so confused. :-(
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BrutalTruth
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:05amThey do the same with the US Constitution. Pick and choose the parts they like. Typical.
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pagraywolf
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:16amExactly.
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gauge
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:03amMary Anne Hewitt and Greg McCaw are both gay. Chasity Scott, on the other hand, is transgender.
Sorry….. All 3 are Gay
Singing Christian music does not make you a Christian..
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chips1
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 10:35amOccupying the White House doesn’t make you an American.
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BrutalTruth
Posted on February 27, 2013 at 9:03amPretty much like saying, “I’m a satan worshipper, who calls hiimself a christian”
Doesn’t really matter, does it?
If the label on the bottle doesn’t fit the contents, it doesn’t really matter!
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