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Obama Admin. Set to Urge Supreme Court to Overturn California’s Gay Marriage Ban

Feb. 28, 2013 5:15pm Madeleine Morgenstern

For the second time in the space of a week, the Obama administration is expected to call on the Supreme Court to weigh in favor of same-sex marriage.

The administration will file a friend-of-the-court brief Thursday urging justices to overturn California’s Proposition 8, which banned gay marriage in the state, NBC News and the New York Times reported.

The Justice Department brief will argue that California voters were not entitled to vote to ban same-sex marriage, an administration official told the Times.

When Obama came out in favor of same-sex marriage last year, he said he didn’t think it was a matter for the federal government to decide.

The administration filed a brief in a same-sex marriage case last week, in which it argued that part of the federal Defense of Marriage Act of 1996 defining marriage as the union of a man and woman for the purpose of federal benefits was unconstitutional.

The court is slated to hear oral arguments on Proposition 8 in late March.

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Paroikos
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:59pm
Consider this alternative headline: “OBAMA ADMIN. SET TO URGE SUPREME COURT TO FORCE CALIFORNIA TO REDEFINE MARRIAGE”

Prop 8 says, “Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.” Thus, Prop 8 merely recognizes the reality of marriage.

Similar to Prop 8 is this, “Only a square having four sides is valid or recognized in California.”

Reporters, please avoid using the term “gay marriage.” It’s similar to using “round square.”

The debate is about whether to defend or corrupt the definition of marriage. The definition of marriage in the term “gay marriage” is corrupted inherently.

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- Keatonc333
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 7:34pm
  Marriage wasn’t always “between a man and a woman” For instance there same sex unions have been recognized in many ancient civilizations. Greece, Rome, China, Africa. Most of which continued un touched until Christianity became a major power.. and at that point the Christian leadership in Europe ruled to abolish these marriages and execute those involved.. So one can easily make the case that Christians in fact redefined marriage to fit their own standards and beliefs, and are now appalled that other people would try to do the exact same thing.
  
  Its actually quite interesting if you look back in history the Zhou dynasty, the Roman empire etc.. heres another cool fact! historical records show that gay marriage can be dated back to around 1,000 B.C. Long before marriage meant between a man and woman.
  
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- boxboy
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 7:56pm
  They should also allow(in certain scenarios) father and daughter, son and mother, brother sister, or any combination of relatives to marry. Foe example; mother is really sick, father is dead, mother has no health insurance. Solution; son with great health insurance marries mother, she get adaquite medical attention, he get to write off medical expenses (he’s already paying for), its a win win for both.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 7:57pm
  Utah was founded to escape the Christian definition of what constituted a marriage.
  
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- boxboy
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 8:14pm
  Twins should be allowed to marry also, espically two hot blonde twin sisters. They should also be allowed to both marry me :)
  
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- Keatonc333
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 8:26pm
  box boy.. actually its legal to marry your first cousin in more states than gay marriage is legal…
  
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- AUsername
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 8:32pm
  This issue is overlooked and unimportant that neo cons try to deal with to much kinda like some libertarians and drug legalization/
  
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- boxboy
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 8:38pm
  Really, crap my first cousin is ugly, but my sister is hot. Seriously, as long as two or more people can afford a marriage license, they should be allowed to get married, and recieve any benifits that should entail.
  
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- drs1969
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 11:04pm
  Don’t ask my taxes to subsidize deviant sexual behavior between two mentally ill people. It’s bad enough that they have to live w/o adequate mental health care.
  
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- HarryPotter
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 11:51pm
  A marriage between 2 men or 2 women is just as valid as any heterosexual marriage. If you want to define marriage in more limited terms, that’s fine, but don’t try to force that definition onto the rest of us.
  
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- Clownzilla
  Posted on March 1, 2013 at 12:35am
  @Keaton333
  
  The Constitution does not define what a marriage is either which shows the hypocrisy of the left. You can’t ask the federal government to overturn laws that they have no right to overturn (it’s up to the states) and in the same breath ask the federal government to violate the rights of others (ex. failing to protect the second amendment). Gay rights groups are digging their own graves because they are ultimately fighting against their own rights by fighting against the rights of those they don’t agree with.
  
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- ECOMCON
  Posted on March 1, 2013 at 2:47am
  Sure it would be nice to be married to whoever and how many you want. But think outside the box. Removing the historical cultural standards of marriage (based on the majority, not the occasional culture that does things differently) throughout time leaves the doors wide open to virtually any combination. Why even be limited to marrying another person or persons at all? A lot of us are already married to our businesses or jobs. Some guys love their cars, so why not make it formal? Or what about the dog? At least you wouldn’t have a costly divorce every few years.
  
  This is the new era folks. Don’t be so limited in your thinking…..
  
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- naughtycal
  Posted on March 1, 2013 at 7:20am
  Keaton333,
  Yeah Boy loving (pedaphilia)was really big in those cultures before Christanity made it a sin. So you are right there were sex union aka boy lovers that were considered to be perfectly acceptable social practices.
  Only an mentally ill(liberal) person would use socially accepted pedaphile practices(perversion) from roman and greece to defend perverted practices today.
  
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- jettson
  Posted on March 1, 2013 at 8:02am
  gay marriage should be against the Law everywhere. But watch this creep in the white house change the peoples vote. He should be impeached. obonehead wants to destroy America. You are blind or just stupid if you can’t see this.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on March 1, 2013 at 9:04am
  Same sex unions recognized in Rome?
  
  I think not. If some mad roman emperor was killed one of the usual complaints was that he engaged in homosexual relations. On top of the “I think I am a god” or “I am going to do your wife & there is nothing you can do about it,” there was usually “I done so many women why not do guys too”.
  
  That is what I get from reading about the history of Rome.
  
  It is not a cool fact. It is rather sordid.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on March 1, 2013 at 9:07am
  Keatonc333
  
  “Marriage wasn’t always “between a man and a woman” For instance there same sex unions have been recognized in many ancient civilizations. Greece, Rome, China, Africa. Most of which continued un touched until Christianity became a major power”
  
  Let’s see. There was some homosexuality among the plains Indians. Where did the effete (“bottom”) Indian live? Oh yeah, at the edge of the encampment. That ought to tell you everything you need to know.
  
  Sociologists study these things Keats. The placement of the tents should tell you of the status of the “gay” Indian & what most Indians thought of him.
  
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- Silvertruth
  Posted on March 1, 2013 at 11:51am
  Marriage is culturally based, their is no US Constitutional right of marriage at all. Therefore the Federal government should not even have ‘marriage’ in any federal laws and that includes tax code. The term has been used conveniently to cover acknowledged partners and even give them some protected rights (although in the tax code, they are penalized so only us crazy traditionalists really should ‘want’ to be married).
  
  Now, I’m not against same sex people getting ‘married’ as it’s just a piece of paper and state of a relationship, but where I’m totally against the homosexual community in this is their selfishness. If they are going to try to break marriage away from a cultural definition (Victorian ‘man and woman’ concept) then they must also move to define it against a legal, ethical definition like “Consenting Partners”. This would mean any sex, any number of people could consent to getting married. Children are not legally able to give consent so it would still prevent child abuse. However, direct familial relations could also marry under the consent definition.
  
  There is no rational stopping space between the cultural definition of marriage and the logical definition of ‘consent’ where it has to be moved to. So, homosexuals, if you do not agree with moving it to consent, then your entire argument is emotionally based and hypocritical. You just want the culture to support your lifestyle, which it doesn’t at the moment.
  
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kywillie
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:55pm
Being gay is not a mental illness. You’re born gay. There are gay animals in the wild. I have gay friends that I knew were gay before they did. No one tries to be gay and you can’t fix it. It would be as easy for a gay man to find a woman attractive as it would for me to find a man attractive.

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- Keatonc333
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 7:02pm
  Good point! 1,500 different species have been observed practicing homosexuality!
  
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- The Big Mick
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 7:12pm
  trot out yer Queergene, Jellie.
  And are you gonna argue the SAME about BIs?
  
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- boxboy
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 7:25pm
  Being born horney is not a mental illness either, so why not allow more than one wife or husband to satisfy those natrual needs and reap the benifits (tax, medical, beneficiary). I don’t see the issue with allowing more than one spouse,
  
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- am123
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 7:25pm
  People are not born gay. Identical twins where one is gay and the other is not proves that. Also, the fact that there is no gay gene proves it.
  
  Being gay is a choice. But being straight is not a choice. People are born straight, as that is the normal, default condition. So for straights, that is just the way they are, there isn’t a choice that comes into play. For gays however, at some point in their lives, due to external things, they are enticed by spirits of perversion and they choose to engage in things that ought not to be done, unnatural things. But the Good News is they can be set free from these spirits of perversion by inviting Jesus into their hearts. Then the grace of Jesus will change them from the inside out—spirit, soul, and body. So they can pray the gay away, for it is a spiritual problem that must be dealt with spiritually.
  
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- Keatonc333
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 7:38pm
  Am123… being gay is a choice.. but being straight is not a choice? really? you see why that is a completely unsound argument right? and secondly Being gay has been proven not to be a choice.. as it has been observed many times in the wild.. from Dogs to Rats to Monkeys to dolphins to bugs.. many of these animals do not even have brains complexed enough to make decisions yet they still show homosexual tendencies… strange how that works huh? And secondly.. if it is a choice, which it is NOT, where you you get off saying its wrong and that they should be condemned in this free country?
  
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- am123
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 7:43pm
  Am123… being gay is a choice.. but being straight is not a choice? really? you see why that is a completely unsound argument right?
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  No.
  
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- am123
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 7:47pm
  And secondly.. if it is a choice, which it is NOT, where you you get off saying its wrong and that they should be condemned in this free country?
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  Because it is immoral. And it was considered immoral in the founding of this free country.
  
  Now here’s a question for you: If it not a choice, which it IS, then what about pedophiles? Are they born that way? If you think they are, should we allow them to adopt and molest children since they are born that way?
  
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- am123
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 7:48pm
  Regarding the animal stuff, you really do need to watch Animal Planet or Nat Geo more. The males of the species don’t make love to the other males, they fight the other males in order to mate with the females.
  
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- Keatonc333
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 8:31pm
  your pedophile argument is awful… a gay marriage doesn’t hurt anyone, both people give consent and are of age.. I mean dude .. come on. and as for the animal stuff.. yes i love nat geo! that and the majority of animals are straight… that being said not all are. some 1,500 species have shown homosexual tendencies.. that is a fact
  
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- am123
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 8:42pm
  The pedophile thing wasn’t an argument, it was a question that exposes your hypocrisy, which is why you didn’t answer it. But I don’t blame you.
  
  Let me lay it out for you. If you are of the mindset that gays are born that way and so should be allowed to marry since that is “normal” for them, then if you were not being a hypocrite, it would follow that you would be for pedophiles being allowed to adopt and molest children since that is “normal” for them.
  
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- am123
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 8:54pm
  Here’s a quick yes or no question for you: Do you believe pedophiles are born that way, yes or no?
  
  If your answer is yes, then do you believe they should be allowed to adopt and molest children since they are born that way?
  
  If your answer is no, they are not born that way, they became that way, then cannot the same be said of gays?
  
  If your answer is “I don’t know”, then how do you know gays are born that way but don’t know about pedophiles, what’s the difference?
  
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- kywillie
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 9:13pm
  AM123, the answer is simple, It doesn’t matter. Pedophiles are imposing themselves on other people and hurting them. Gay people enter into a relationship willingly, no one is involved whom doesn’t want to be. Telling a gay person to just be straight is as easy as telling you to just be gay. Comparing the 2 is insulting and shows your ignorance. Didn’t Jesus say judge not lest ye be judged?
  
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- am123
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 9:46pm
  KYWILLIE,
  If the answer is simple, then why not answer it—are pedophiles born that way, yes or no?
  
  Regarding judging, I did not make the judgment that homosexuality is an abomination, God did. He said it, ‘nuff said.
  
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- drs1969
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 11:13pm
  Re: Keaton
  Of course it’s a choice. I’ve known of two different men who cheated on their wives w/ men. One died of AIDS 20 years ago. It ruined his family and turned his son into a preacher. Gee, I wonder why? As far as animals practicing it, who cares? They’re not asking pro-creationist families to subsidize their antics w/ tax dollars!
  
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- kywillie
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 11:26pm
  Am123. I did answer it you mouth breather. It doesn’t matter if your burn a pedophile because your actions hurt other people. What does a gay marriage hurt anyone? That’s like saying oh this serial killer was born schizophrenic so we can’t put him in jail. Its not a valid comparison. By the way i know you wasn’t to think your god condemns gays but go back and read the chapter you’re referencing and then get rid of all your bacon, polyester, and shrimp, cause you will be in hell right along with the queers.
  
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- kywillie
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 11:33pm
  @drs
  
  Wow, you knew two gay guys 20 years ago? Well we found our expert. Do you think maybe his family was screwed up because he was a gay man trying to live a lie and it caught up to him or was he just brought to the dark side by those seductive gays? I’m fairly positive no gay man can tempt me from my wife, no matter how sexy he may be. By the way what happened to the other one?
  
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- HarryPotter
  Posted on March 1, 2013 at 12:03am
  As a gay man, I can assure everyone here that my sexuality was not a choice, just as yours was not a choice. However, to try and relate sexuality to a specific gene is to fail to understand biology and genetics. Besides, can you tell me what gene makes you get freckles? No? Then I say having freckles is a choice and an abomination!
  
  And for the record, no I don’t care if 3 people all want to marry, but the laws governing the added issues would need to be tidied up first. And I cannot believe that pedophiles had a choice in their attraction to children, but they cannot be allowed to molest children because that is harming another person. If you cannot recognize that distinction, I cannot help you.
  
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- naughtycal
  Posted on March 1, 2013 at 7:34am
  You people are effing stupid. There are no gay animals although some males hump others males to demostrate superiority. If you place those animals ina room with female of their species in heat …
  Your gay theory is gone in seconds.
  Dogs will hump anything no matter the species even inanimate objects. So are some animals born the have sex out side of their species. Are some dogs born couchasexual because my dog loves the loveseat(appropriately named) in my den.
  Fact is if youre reaching for animal behavior to justify yours animals do things that we find criminals,they assault other animals for food,kill other animals for food,shelter,to breed,and for territory. They abadom their elderly when they become weak to die alone. The piss to mark thier territory,they ****,piss and ***** outside anywheres any time. THEY EAT THEIR YOUNG! I guess if animals do those things then we should accept,tolerate and embrace people who do all those as well. Right
  
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- jettson
  Posted on March 1, 2013 at 8:25am
  Keatonc333 You are so full of s h i t What a jerk every thing you say is BS. You have NO facts. You stick up for this disgusting act. I don’t care what you think gay marriage is wrong.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on March 1, 2013 at 8:58am
  Keatonc333
  “… that being said not all are. some 1,500 species have shown homosexual tendencies.. that is a fact”
  
  What tendencies have you shown?
  
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MDECKER
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:49pm
California Rep. Maxine Waters is afraid that the 136 billion gay civil unions in California, may be at risk if the president’s brief is not successful.

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- kywillie
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:56pm
  I don’t think that number is right. We don’t have 1 billion people in the US of A
  
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boxboy
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:35pm
So if same sex marriage get approved, can we start getting polygyny and polyandry approved?

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- Keatonc333
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:44pm
  Boxboy… the slippery slope argument is an awful argument! and comparing gay marriage to polygamy is like apples and oranges.. its about marriage benefits.. which can be extended to the one person you marry.. not the several..
  
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- aproudinfidel
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:46pm
  No matter that the vast majority of Californians voted to ban homosexual marriage…
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:47pm
  That is coming next. It is part of the liberal “Beyond Marriage” initiative.
  
  While they are not planning for us to look like a version of the worst of the Middle East, that will be the result.
  
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- boxboy
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:53pm
  “its about marriage benefits.. which can be extended to the one person you marry.. not the several” why not, if I love two people the same and want to spend the rest of my life with them I should be able to provide them with the same benifits and recieve the same “tax” breaks as anyone else.
  
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- Keatonc333
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:54pm
  I honestly have yet to hear one logical reason to oppose gay marriage… you know other than personal opinion.. I’ve heard the “its disgusting” and “its a sin” arguments… but not a single valid argument against it that does’t involve personal opinion… is there one?
  
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- Keatonc333
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 7:01pm
  We’ll.. Its against the tax code… but you do kind of have a point. Though i don’t see why you believe that legalizing gay marriage would have any effect on peoples opinion of polygamy… you know being as 54% of americans are in favor of gay marriage while 39% oppose, meanwhile 11% of people approve of polygamy. so I am not sure how the two have any effect on each other. That being said I guess we may pass the polygamy bridge when we come to it. though you and I both know that will never happen.
  
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- boxboy
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 7:06pm
  I am not against gay marriage either, but I don’t think it should stop at Sodom and Gomorrah, I think it should extend to King Solomon(700 wives) .
  
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- drs1969
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 11:16pm
  Keaton doesn’t think my gorgeous goat, Molly, deserve marriage benefits! Discrimination!
  
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- HarryPotter
  Posted on March 1, 2013 at 12:08am
  1. the vote in California was taken a couple years ago, if it was taken today, you may well find a different outcome.
  2. You should never be able to vote on civil rights, or equality
  3. gay marriage and polygamy are separate issues. That would be like me saying since you want to ban gay marriage, you will want to ban interracial marriage next.
  
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EQUALIZER
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:33pm
Oh joy, I can’t wait, I’m prancing, and I’m dancing, and I’m singing in the rain, on a cold day in hell

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- kywillie
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:38pm
  Why would you prance or dance or sing in the rain on a cold day in hell? Doesn’t make sense.
  
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- Keatonc333
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:45pm
  equalizer just enjoys prancing… no matter the location or temperature.
  
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barber2
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:28pm
ATTENTION SCOTUS: You had better do what Dear Leader wants done OR you will get Alinsky- trashed at the next State of the Union Speech again ! Dear Leader does not tolerate opposition to HIS agenda…and Dear Leader is well schooled in Alinsky community agitating tactics !

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- All Pro
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 7:31pm
  Dear leader might hit them with a drone strike if they don’t do what they’re told!
  
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The Big Mick
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:20pm
The Observant Student is invited to note ENCINOM at 6:09 under ALLPRO at 5:51

“Also the Full Faith and Credit clause of the Constitution would demnad a legal marriage in NY be considered legal in Texas” vis a vis my Premise that SameSex Marriage is about NOTHING but SILENCING any and all who would cry “Perv!”

The Thoughtful Student will consider the phrase: “She let the cat outa the bag.”

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wilbstal
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:15pm
Hey sickos do what you want God will correct you when you Blink out. Just stay away from me with your pushy attitudes. I have no probelm seeing you go to hell your choice not mine…

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- kywillie
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:23pm
  That isn’t english. No one knows what your talking about
  
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- rinosrus
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:26pm
  your hero, dirty harry wants it overturned. him and his empty chair and the orangutan.
  
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- jettson
  Posted on March 1, 2013 at 8:44am
  We hear him. He is saying YOU are going to hell What don’t you understand. God will give you the answer.
  
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- kywillie
  Posted on March 1, 2013 at 11:00am
  Hey George Jettson, Why would I be going to hell? I’m not gay. I just happen to think that gay people should have every right to be happy and equal as I do. Do you really think there is a god that would send me to hell for believing in equality?
  
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Jake Dog2
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:59pm
Obama trying to step on the 14th amendment again. Who would have ever thunk that this “California’s Proposition 8, which banned gay marriage in the state” would come out of the left coast. I was one that voted for this Proposition so hands of Feds and Supreme Court.

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All Pro
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:51pm
The only reason same sex marriage is a constitutional issue is because of the tax code. A first year law student could argue this case at the SCOTUS and win. It has nothing to do with the religious concept of marriage. The constitution demands that all rights and privileges be extended to all citizens. If not for the tax code they wouldn’t have a case.

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- The Big Mick
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:02pm
  So the Thoughtful Student is prompted to ask: “Then why not simply change the TAX code?”
  Or the Hospital Regs, or the Insurance Guidlines?
  The Obvious Answer is–because SSMarriage is about SOMETHING ELSE!
  It is about using the Imprimatur and Power of THE STATE to SILENCE anyone who dare call it “PERV”!
  
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- barber2
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:06pm
  ALL : I remember the Robert’s court deciding The Affordable ( wink, wink ) Health Act was legal because it was a ” tax ” issue…
  
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- encinom
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:09pm
  Beyond the tax code, Sally Ride an American hero, her long time partner was denied the same benefits spouses of other veterans and astronuats would receive. Same sex spouse of military personal do not receive the same treatment on military base and access to hospitals and notifications of death and injury. Also the Full Faith and Credit clause of the Constitution would demnad a legal marriage in NY be considered legal in Texas with all the rights spouses enjoy, including being considered next of kin with regards to emergencies.
  
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- The Big Mick
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:16pm
  AGAIN, Enmom,
  CHANGE, the REGS.
  You don’t NEED to change ANYTHING else.
  Whole point to SSM, as you know, is to SILENCE those who would dare say, in the public square: “HOMOsex is PERV!”
  
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- boxboy
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:29pm
  So if these same sex people get what they want, will the people who want more than one spouse get what they want next? I don’t see why not, just a few more enteries on the tax, will, and life insurance forms.
  
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- All Pro
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 7:04pm
  First the progressives gave us the federal reserve and outlawed the use and possession of money, GOLD. Then the progressives gave us the federal reserve’s collection agency, the IRS. Then the progressives gave us the 16th amendment classifying wages as income. Then the progressives used the 16th amendment to give us the unaffordable health care act and now they will use the 16th amendment to give us same sex marriage.
  Libertarians don’t really expect any of this to change until after the collapse and ensuing civil unrest. In so far as libertarians reconciling with conservatives, the conservatives favor the current tax code because it favors the rich and corporations. Being oppressed by fascists isn’t any better than being oppressed by communists. Until conservatives figure out that they are being played for useful idiots by the progressive fascists and stop supporting them, we will all lose.
  
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FlagWavingPatriot
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:43pm
Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven.

Genesis 19

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- kywillie
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:04pm
  No he didn’t
  
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- kywillie
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:17pm
  No one uses video tape anymore. Its all digital. But yeah god didn’t do that.
  
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- The Big Mick
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:22pm
  roll pixels Kyjellie, roll pixels.
  
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- kywillie
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:28pm
  You can’t roll pixel, they’re square.
  
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- The Big Mick
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 7:14pm
  Ya got EVIDENCE Jellieroll, trot er out.
  Your’s is the negative “no He didn’t” to prove.
  
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- Keatonc333
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 7:22pm
  Ezekiel 23:20
  There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 7:35pm
  KEATON….. lol… have you been talking to my ex-wife?
  
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- Sgt_Rock
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 8:10pm
  Keaton….try not to take things to literal, first, you quote the NIV Bible…a translation which is completely screwed up, and second, It’s pretty obvious from the outset that Ezekiel 23 is a parable which uses the “whorish” behavior of a pair of women as a metaphor for the unfaithful and ungodly behaviors of Israelites from two nations; “Oholah is Samaria, and Oholibah is Jerusalem.”
  
  I believe that the biblical interpretation would tell us that the message of Ezekiel 23 is as a warning to the nations of Earth to not be godless in our actions toward other nations, or God will give permission for the other nations to kill the former. You know reap what you sow kind of stuff.
  
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- jettson
  Posted on March 1, 2013 at 8:31am
  Don’t let this kind of person bother you. That is what is said. He even gave where it is said. Look it up.
  
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Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:42pm
They jump on whatever side of the issue pushes their agenda, “It’s a state issue” until the states don’t vote the way they want, then it’s a Federal issue, and now if the SOTUS doesn’t vote the way they want, they will try to invalidate it through executive orders. Just remember, We the People are TOO stupid to think for ourselves. That is why we need Obama, Lord and Savior to think for us. Sarc off.

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:48pm
  crazy
  
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- Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:56pm
  Hi Soy:
  What do you think of this, should it be simply a states right issue or is it covered under the 1st amendment, Freedom of Religion.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:00pm
  marriage is not a government function but if it is going to be that way, it should be decided by the states
  
  unfortunately, i dont hear republicans/conservatives making this case. They want it to be written in stone at the federal level
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:02pm
  unless we are including discussion about tax benefits, inheritance, etc…..In which case i think civil unions should be allowed because nobody should have to pay more in taxes because of their sexual preference
  
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- barber2
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:11pm
  Soy: perhaps this could all go away if the tax laws were simplified ! Then one’s status regarding marriage would not matter. Loopholes gone. Flat tax .
  
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- Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:24pm
  Where I find the hipocrisy of the left, most states offered civil unions, but that wasn’t enough, the GLBT crowd wanted Marriage, in a church. When churches said NO, that is when this entire fight escalated and that is when the conservatives drew the line. I am Catholic and I for one will not stand for someone to tell me or my church, YOU WILL ACCEPT GAY MARRIAGE. That is what the fight is over right now. My personnal belief is this falls under the 1st Amendment, and if churches want to allow this in their church, so be it, but for the Feds to get involved, that is coming straight from the LGBT losses at the state level and lower courts.
  
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- barber2
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:32pm
  DAR: Bingo. The radicals just hate Christianity ( one of the many aspects of America that they hate ! ) and they want to destroy , mock, and humiliate the Christian moral code . It’s time for Rules for Radicals to replace the Ten Commandments / Golden Rule – and our radicals are armed for battle !
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:35pm
  BARBER2, You are making too much common sense. Another thing to consider. Of all of those tax loopholes and other tax idiocracy, they were written and initiated primarily by the Dem-wits. I have to agree that a flat tax with no loopholes is the way to go.
  
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- Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:42pm
  RJJ/Barber2: If we pay a flat tax, then the progressives have no pit bull to sick on their enemies, I.E, the IRS.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 7:32pm
  flat tax is the way to go
  
  if republicans really wanted to do it they could do flat tax, cuz you could tell the liberals rich people finally “pay their fair share”….Everyone knows fair = equal
  
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- Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 7:47pm
  Hey Soy:
  I agree one hundred and fifty percent. I love Neil Bortz’ Fair Tax plan. I remember arguing with one guy I worked with over a flat tax (back in the 90′s) He was the same rank as I was E-6, and had 4 kids, his wife didn’t work. His view point was, “I don’t pay anything right now, and I get an extra $2,000 back, why would I want a flat tax? The point I made to him was, he was taking the tax money I paid in, and my wifes, we lived and saved within our means, but were being punished, he didn’t care, just as long as “he got his”, direct quote. Hayek and Freideman both warned “When the US taxpayer approaches 50% not paying into the system, they will not care where the Govt. takes their money from, at that point, we will lose our Republic” Well, we are at 47% now.
  
  This is something we both agree on, I like that.
  
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- drs1969
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 11:24pm
  The ultimate goal is to grow the Fed gov. This is another angle to attack our earnings for another ‘sacred cow’ with privileges and rights elevated above those of us stupid taxpayers(also known as Gentiles).
  
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john vincent
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:41pm
In the not too distant future, there will be a massive earthquake in CA; u may then draw your own conclusions

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- kywillie
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:05pm
  Yup, all that gay sex is going to shift tectonic plates.
  
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- The Big Mick
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:14pm
  KYJellie,
  don’t confuse intermediate cause with ultimate cause.
  
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- john vincent
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:27pm
  -willie
  
  no, but God may just have to clear his throat-
  
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- kywillie
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:36pm
  Like DJ Kool?
  
  Now if y’all wanna party like we do
  If y’all wanna party like us, lemme hear ya say
  Ah ah ah ah ah, if y’all wanna party like we do
  If y’all wanna party like us lemme hear ya say
  Ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah!
  
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- Keatonc333
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 7:20pm
  Hey john…. we have had a terrible drought here in the midwest.. as well as many deadly tornadoes last spring and summer… Who was god Punishing? was it the farmers in the rural parts of Kansas and oklahoma? or do you recognize that we live in a world full of natural disasters and the San Andreas fault has been causing earthquakes in California for millions of years and that has nothing to do with gay marriage… come on! you can do it! just admit it! be rational my friend!
  
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- john vincent
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 7:48pm
  hello keaton-
  
  Fair points u bring up, and worthy of consideration. You said: ‘or do you recognize that we live in a world full of natural disasters and the San Andreas fault has been causing earthquakes in California for millions of years and that has nothing to do with gay marriage…’
  
  You are close, but backwards- it is earthquakes that cause the fault line- you may say this is straining at a gnat, but the difference is major. There were earthquakes long ago where no fault line existed, too many to mention-
  
  CA has not been in existence for ‘millions of years,’ but thats a minor point.
  
  Natural disasters, yes, you are correct, I’m sorry for the farmers as well, but God does send the rain on the JUST as well as the unjust, this you may not understand. My mention of CA earthquakes is not only in regard to same sex marriage, but on a coast where most of the ‘players’ are God hating, fist shaking, God mocking, marriage hating, liberty stomping, freedom taking souls who set a downward course many years ago.
  
  Sodom was a real place, as were the cities of the plain. CA happens to be a trend setter in the decadent dept, and I suppose God’s patience is somewhat thin. Earthquakes are HIs strange work, and I recall the past quakes where men again shook fists at the Creator, so yes, there will be other quakes- prob. sooner than later. God by his grace uses ‘natural’ disasters’ but so few take heed.
  
  Remember Dathan and Abiram?
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- kywillie
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 11:44pm
  Hey John, i have gay family and friends in Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, is god going to smite them? Or does Jesus love them like he says. Oh that’s right, Jesus didn’t hang out with the sinners of his time, only the must judgmental bigots found his company.
  
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SpankDaMonkey
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:35pm
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I’ve been told I have been a Bad Monkey here lately…..

So if I have said anything that has hurt Ya‘lls feelings I’m Sorry…..

But, I’ll probably do it again, so I’m Sorry in advance……..

Thank You,
SpankDaMonkey

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- Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:45pm
  You can be a bad monkey, just don’t be the evil monkey that lives in my closet.
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:46pm
  Pay it forward Spank… LOL
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:46pm
  Your apology offends me Sir.
  
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- Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:49pm
  Hey Monk:
  You seem to be awake today, I take it you caught up on your sleep.
  
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- civilwarcometh
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:49pm
  BS! I love your posts. And the only reason obama is doing this is so he can legally marry Reggie Love. So he can start is harem.
  
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- The Big Mick
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:51pm
  went right over my head, Spanky?
  
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barber2
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:33pm
He appoints czars and regulators to emasculate congress and he tells the SCOTUS how to decide cases before it. Guess Obama isn’t much of a believer in the three branches of government. He wants all of the power residing in the Executive Branch. Another Obama ” change ” for America ? Does Obama plan to disregard the Constitution ? WAKE UP, congress…you have the American people to protect.

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kaydeebeau
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:31pm
So is O coming after my State of Tenn next – we adopted a State Constitutional Amendment many years ago when DOMA first reared its head to define marriage as a union between one man and one woman – and our state will not recognize as marriage anything else- even from another state – anything other than one man one woman is not marriage in Tenn –

Don’t like it but hate the punitive tax and spend policies of other states that do recognize homosexual unions like Mass – stay in Mass and reform their tax and spend policies – don’t try to pervert the other states who are both fiscally and socially conservative.

Stop destroying your home states, moving and trying to bring about the same disasters to your adopted states. Fix you own places – leave us the h e l l ALONE

Leftists never learn and can never leave well enough alone. Leftists never understand cause and effect and can never relate how their policies bring doom and destuction – yet are unhappy with the situation and move to a more liberty minded area and set about to “progrrss” the new found area into the hellhole thye created and left.

PLEASE STOP!!!!!!

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- encinom
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:35pm
  Your state is in violation of the US Constitution in multiple ways. But than bible bigots have ignored the Constitution regarding equal rights for all citizens.
  
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- barryswhitehalf
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:37pm
  For years lying, devious liberals have been having it both ways. They’ve had a long history of racism (Robert Byrd, Al Gore Sr and Jr, Bull Connor), yet they claim to be the party of civil rights. They’ve privately treated women abysmally (The Kennedys, Bill Clinton, John Edwards), but claim to be the party of women’s rights. And they’ve gone on the campaign trail saying they do not support gay marriage while they’ve claimed to be the gay-friendly party. Joe Biden voted for DOMA and Bubba Clinton signed it, but now since they receive a boatload of money from the gay left, they will pander and grovel like there is no tomorrow.
  
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- The Big Mick
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:55pm
  EcinoMom.
  You gots as much equal right to play perv in your own bed as ya want….perv.
  What you DON’T get to do is to use the Power and Imprimatur of THE STATE to SHUT me UP when I say, in the public square–”God says Homosex BE PERV!” which is, of course, as you well know, the whole point to Same Sex Marriage.
  
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- kywillie
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:11pm
  In what chapter does god say “**** SEX BE PERV”? illiterate.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:12pm
  Big Mike its time for you to take you meds again. Nobody is quieting your or your flock at Westboro from publically proving that you are small minded bigots.
  
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- kywillie
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:18pm
  Why the hell was my post just edited when I was giving a direct quote of someone else who wasn’t?
  
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- RoDogg
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:26pm
  Not recognizing a mental illness is small minded!
  
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- drs1969
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 11:37pm
  Don’t call me a ‘bible’ bigot. I don’t need the bible to see how J*ws are using this issue to expand their plans for a complete Communist takeover, just like how they have used the blacks for the last 60+ years to advance that same agenda. Gun control? Think Feinstein. Even a fair minded atheist could see it. Just call me your ‘basic’ bigot.
  
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Jase
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:31pm
Just one more poke in the ribs of the sleeping giant… he shall arise and revolt soon.

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- barber2
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:01pm
  JASE: am beginning to think that that is precisely what the Chicago radicals are trying to create . Then they can Executive Order / declare Martial Law to enable the Executive Branch ( DOJ, etc. ) to gain even more control . This is one spooky bunch of radicals now in control of the Democrat Party.
  
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- Jase
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 9:14pm
  Maybe so, but does that mean we should just sit back and watch them tear down the country via unconstitutional legislation?… because that’s what’s reality of it. How do we legally battle a group that has no intention of playing by the rules, and has not only convinced most of the people that they ARE playing by the rules, but they are also the good guys.
  
  They control the white house, they control the senate, they might as well control the house, they control half of the supreme court bench, they control the media, they control the universities and they control pop-culture.
  
  They have been collectively, systematically working toward the destruction of the constitution and the underlying framework of our nation for a very long time, and they know that it is now within reach.
  
  So our choices are:
  -complacency
  -complicity
  -unavailing toil (our current status)
  -civil unrest
  -violent unrest
  
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- Jase
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 9:16pm
  The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil Constitution, are worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors: they purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood, and transmitted them to us with care and diligence. It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence
  without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men.
  -Samuel Adams
  
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SpankDaMonkey
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:30pm
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I wonder if Obama has ever had a clear thought come out of his mouth that was not wrapped in a Condom?…..

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SpankDaMonkey
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:28pm
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A Red Neck went to the beach on vacation. After he had his spot all fixed up a Gay Couple came and sat right next to him. The RedNeck mumbled & groaned and cussed the Gay Couple under his breath. About that time a bottle washed up, the RedNeck picked it up rubbed the sand off and a Genie popped out!

The Genie said to the RedNeck he could have 3 wishes, but the Genie said I heard what you said about that Gay Couple overthere so whatever you wish for I’m gonna give them double.

The RedNeck thought a little while and said “I want seven houses and seven cars one for each day of the week”.

The Genie said Your Wish and Poof there is was, with double going to the Gay Couple.

The RedNeck thought a little while more and said “I want more money than I could ever spend”

The Genie said Your Wish and Poof there is was, with double going to the Gay Couple.

The Genie told the RedNeck be careful this is your last wish, and I’m gonna give the Gay Couple double what you wish for.

The RedNeck did not hesitate one second he looked at the Genie and said; “Beat Me Half to Death!”….

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- Jenny Lind
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:34pm
  groan………
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:46pm
  It was funnier the first time Monkey.
  
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- kywillie
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:15pm
  Wouldn’t that mean that he just beat the gay guys each half to death since there was two of them? Also why do you rednecks insist on capitalizing every other word?
  
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media-bias-steals-elections
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:26pm
More waterboarding by the press? And why does the CEO of HP have to come out in support of violating the 1st amendment, the establishment of religion called marriage, walking away from kids to leave them without proper mothers and fathers, while she promotes her picture with a smile?

Redefining the establishment of religion is a form of torture to our churches, a form of water boarding, after you tie up public opinion, you dare anyone to challenge you?

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truckingoff
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:24pm
obama still does not care what the people want and voted for.

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- encinom
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:33pm
  The majority of Americans support equal rights and gay marriage. Its the Christians, seeking to impose a theocracy and force free people to live under the dictates of their book of myths, who are out of touch with the country.
  
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- barber2
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:09pm
  ENCIN: Is the correct term you should be using here ” gay marriage” or ” civil unions ?” I think you are incorrect in what you claim the American people support.
  
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- kywillie
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:26pm
  Check the last election. People are voting for gay marriage, not just civil unions.
  
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- barber2
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:35pm
  KY: Gosh, I must have missed that ” gay marriage” slot on my ballot ! Nudge..nudge..
  
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- kywillie
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:46pm
  It passed in 3 out of four states that it was up in. Coming to your state soon weather you like it or not. You are on the wrong side of history my friend, Your grandchildren will be embarrassed by your bigotry.
  
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- drs1969
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 11:46pm
  Raising children and engaging in deviant sex are not equals, therefore no equal rights are required. If you think otherwise, you’re insane or a liar.
  
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- Clownzilla
  Posted on March 1, 2013 at 12:55am
  @KYWillie
  
  So which is is? You say states are passing gay rights laws yet when they pass a law against gay rights then you want it overturned. Do states have rights or not? Are we going to uphold the entire constitution or just parts of it? We have created all sorts of illegal overreaches from federal government that are supported by gay rights groups yet when the gay rights groups get violated they are all the sudden for the opposite side of the law. I have nothing wrong with gay marriage but I will not move an inch until those same people protect my other rights pertaining to taxes, arms, social security, Obamacare, etc.
  
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Jenny Lind
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:22pm
The will of the people means nothing to this man.

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- barryswhitehalf
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:38pm
  “President Obama announced his support for same-sex marriage less than 48 hours after the Washington Post reported that prominent political donors were threatening to withhold donations over the president’s position on gay rights.”
  “The Washington Post noted on Tuesday that roughly 20 percent of Obama top campaign bundlers—who are responsible for arranging $500,000 and up—“publicly identified themselves as gay.”
  Obama’s announcement fits a pattern of changing positions on major issues for what appear to be financially motivated reasons.”
  
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- encinom
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:53pm
  The Majority of Americans aren’t bible thumping bigots and support equal rights for all.
  
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- neverending
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:14pm
  @JENNY LIND – yeah no kidding. It is only the commies will and he will not stop until he has that accomplished.
  
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- jettson
  Posted on March 1, 2013 at 8:59am
  Jenny Thats the real point. California voted against it. All the states would vote against it if it went to a vote. Then some stupid jerk would over ride it. Like cuomo in NY To over ride the vote is the most BS. The vote means nothing is right. This is why people should be pissed off
  
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The_Jerk
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:21pm
State issue.

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- encinom
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:39pm
  Civil Right, like inter racial marriage, 14th Amendment’s equal protection trumps the bigots in the States.
  
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- VanGrungy
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:57pm
  No gay gene
  
  it’s a chosen behavior
  
  being gay has always been considered a lifestyle, not a life sentence
  
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- The Big Mick
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:10pm
  The Observant Student will note that InseenoMom is morally equating Melanin Count and Kinky Sex, and cogitate on the False Moral Equivalence as the Most Heinous of the Moral, Intellectual, and Rhetorical sins.
  The Thoughtful Student has already reached a cogent evaluation of EnMom’s Depth of Intellect and Breadth of Bigotry.
  
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- RoDogg
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 6:29pm
  Boy ….. gay and guns sure brings out the trolls doesn’t it?
  
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- Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 7:50pm
  @ the Jerk
  Are you saying this is a State’s issue, as in 10th Amendment, or are you asking us to State our issue?
  
  (just kidding)
  
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Gonzo
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:20pm
Obama started work on this right away with the appointments of Sotomayor and Kagan.

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Detroit paperboy
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:19pm
It’s for Obama and Reggie Love………………………I mean Kagen and Sotomyor…….. Actually all four…

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- Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:51pm
  Don’t forget Janet Reno and Big Sis.
  
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- civilwarcometh
  Posted on February 28, 2013 at 5:56pm
  DETROIT i read your post after i posted mine. You scare me…
  
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