Religious Discrimination Averted? High School Sports League Amends Constitution to Avoid Sabbath Furor
HOUSTON (TheBlaze/AP) — An Orthodox Jewish school that drew national attention when a Texas school organization initially refused to reschedule a semifinal basketball game that conflicted with the Sabbath is back in the state semifinals this weekend. But this time without the controversy.
Beren Academy and its players don’t play basketball games between Friday night and Saturday night in observance of the Sabbath. That created a conflict last year, as TheBlaze reported at the time, when Beren advanced to the semifinals and was scheduled to play at 9 p.m. on a Friday in the Texas Association of Private and Parochial School’s 2A boys basketball tournament.

The Beren Academy basketball team lines up during a prayer before a high school basketball game against Dallas Covenant in Fort Worth, Texas on Friday, March 2, 2012. The Orthodox Jewish school played an afternoon playoff game that was rescheduled so it doesn’t conflict with the Sabbath. The Texas Association of Private and Parochial Schools made the change after first rejecting appeals from Beren Academy to move the game. Beren won 58-46. Credit: AP
TAPPS at first would not move the game time. But after a group of parents filed a complaint in federal court citing religious discrimination, and the controversy brought national attention to the small Houston school, TAPPS relented. Beren won its semifinal game, rescheduled to Friday afternoon, then lost the championship rescheduled for late Saturday night.
“It was tough, just because it’s out of your control in a lot of ways,” Beren coach Chris Cole recalled Thursday. “I mean that from a lot of different standpoints. When so many people get involved, you don’t have any say in a lot of things that other people decide to do.”
This year, Beren will play its semifinal game at 1 p.m. Friday. Although the championship is scheduled for 2 p.m. Saturday, it will be moved to 8 p.m. if the Stars advance.
Cole said he’s relieved that his young players won’t be at the center of a national debate, and that he won’t have to talk to them about the likelihood of not getting to play for a championship because of their religious beliefs. The players were unanimously ready to accept that last year, saying their faith outweighed the chance for athletic glory.

Beren Academy high school basketball team co-captain Isaac Buchine, center, gets hugged by teammates on his 18th birthday after a news conference in Dallas, Friday, March 2, 2012. The Orthodox Jewish school plays an afternoon playoff game that was rescheduled so it doesn’t conflict with the Sabbath. The Texas Association of Private and Parochial Schools made the change after first rejecting appeals from Beren Academy to move the game. Credit: AP
Beren officials met with the TAPPS executive board in June, and TAPPS added a bylaw to its constitution to accommodate schools when the scheduling of athletics events overlaps with religious observances.
“The point of the meeting was to make sure everyone was on the same page,” TAPPS director Edd Burleson said Thursday. “There was a general consensus that accommodations should be made for those schools that required it.”
TAPPS currently has 237 schools enrolled across Texas, and Burleson said Beren is one of five schools that could potentially be aided by the new bylaw. Beren is one of two Orthodox Jewish schools in TAPPS, and there are three Adventist schools, which also observe the Sabbath.

Beren Academy’s Aaron Hakakian, right, hugs teammate Drayton Ratcliff (55) during the first half of a high school basketball game against Dallas Covenant in Fort Worth, Texas on Friday, March 2, 2012. The Orthodox Jewish school played an afternoon playoff game that was rescheduled so it doesn’t conflict with the Sabbath. The Texas Association of Private and Parochial Schools made the change after first rejecting appeals from Beren Academy to move the game. Beren won 58-46. Credit: AP
TAPPS’ nine-member board was initially worried that making such changes would create a ripple effect of logistical challenges, with the other teams playing in the semifinals having to adjust to Beren’s scheduling conflict. The new rules leave more room for contingency plans, including lining up alternative gyms and officiating crews.
“It would just provide more advance planning for what occurred last year on the spur of the moment,” Burleson said. “It’s pretty obvious that there were some things learned, and there were adjustments made.”
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David-FL
Posted on March 5, 2013 at 7:34amThe fact that Sparky, nor anyone else, has claimed the $100,000.00 USD offer speaks volumes. The change of the Sabbath from the 7th day (Saturday) to the 1st day (Sunday) is not Biblical. It is not in the Word of God. It came from Rome….
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TeacherJeff
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:03amI must admit that I am pretty conflicted about the direction that David has taken this news article. For the sake of closure I am a first generation Seventh-Day Adventist who happens to be quite conservative both politically and religiously. However I must strongly disagree with you David about the games being rescheduled to accommodate a person belief and strongly question the reason the platform that you have chosen to spread the Sabbath truth.
By definition school is a place of learning where students are “supposed” to learn how to read, write, and develop a basic understanding of math. From what I have read about this story the students were not denied this due to their belief concerning the Seventh Day Sabbath. Had classes or exams been scheduled during the sabbath hours without any recourse for the students then you may have had a point. I fear that this ruling is another example of an out of control government and reflects badly upon adventists and other sabbath keepers in general.
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David-FL
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 9:14amTeacherJeff,
You completely misunderstood my posts. I (JOKINGLY) said they should be scheduled on a Sunday or after school Mon-Thurs. The LOL signifies it was a joke. I also stated that the Kids/ parents and coaches should have addressed this issue before beginning the Season. So you are incorrect. I called the team out for their personal responsibility in this matter. You must have missed that part. I would also understand if the league was unwilling to accomodate them. So you see? You misunderstood my posts. My posts are in defense of the 7th day Sabbath that it remains for all Bleievers to follow. I am sure you agree with that.
I also said that no law should be passed on this matter and that hopefully, over time, more and more will come to the Sabbath Truth and that the schedules will be changed to accomodate the majority…. nothing wrong with that, but don’t hiold your breath!
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David-FL
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 9:21amps. I chose this platform because of the number of readers. Would you suggest I take it to a lesser venue with fewer readers? That makes no sense. You will see that I did not demand that the games be rescheduled. On the contrary, you will find the opposite. The rest is Biblical Truth.
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David-FL
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 9:23amp.s.s. also bear in mind the Blaze offen posts out of order so this thread is not in cronological order. That may help you understand what you are reading better.
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Sparky101
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 11:08amHi David. More appropriately your 1st reply to Jeff should be written “My posts are in defense of the 7th day Sabbath that it remains for my faith’s Bleievers to follow.” And “I also said that no law should be passed on this matter and that hopefully, over time, more and more will come to my belief of a Sabbath Truth.” On that we would not disagree.
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Sparky101
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 11:28amDavid, in your 2nd response to Jeff, your final sentence would have been much more appropriate if you had written “The rest is my Biblical understanding.” Written that way, we could all agree with you.
What was Christ’s intent behind him and his disciples working, healing and traveling on the Sabbath? Did he not know that the law given to Moses, demanded death to Israelites who did not keep the Sabbath? What did he mean when he claimed he was “Lord of the Sabbath” when he was explaining why it was okay for him and his disciples to work on the Sabbath?
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David-FL
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:41pmSparky, thank for your editorial review, however, I completely disagree.
The Sabbath truth is a Biblical truth. Period. Whether I believe it or not. Whether you bieleve it or not, it is still a Truth. It is a verifiable, provable Truth. Using reason and logic and looking at the preponderance of Biblical evidence in Scripture, one will see the Sabbath remains. Not only the 4th command, but all Ten Commandments remain for the believer to follow (not as a way to earn salvation as mentioned earlier).
To answer your question, the Jews had perverted God’s Law. They thought if God has 10 Laws, 10,000 will be even better and they added and perverted God’s Law. They added many many commands to the 4th command which God never intended. Let’s use your example- jesus healed on the Sabbath. Do you honestly believe that was work? No. Of course not. He was doing His Father’s will. The Pharisees, because of their blindness, said Jesus was working while healing and they used that to trap Jesus. Jesus went to great efforts to show that the Sabbath was not to be a burden, but a blessing!
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David-FL
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:46pmJesus and His apostles are walking thru a field, hungry. As they walk they glean grain to eat. Is that working? Not at all! They were simply hungry and in need of food and were picking grain as they walked. The Pharisees didn’t see it that way. After all, they were ‘blind’. Now, if Jesus said He could not go out and heal and spread the Gospel on that Sabbath because He had to stay in the shop and finish building Mrs. Goldstein’s Dresser so he could get paid, THAT would be a different Story. That was (not) the case –
Matthew 12:11-12
11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
Mark 3
3 And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there which had a withered hand.
2 And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him.
3 And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth.
4 And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
5 And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.
They used this to tr
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David-FL
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:50pmMark 3 continued
6 And the Pharisees went forth, and straightway took counsel with the Herodians against him, how they might destroy him.
So you can see, Jesus never ‘broke’ the Sabbath. He upheald the Sabbath. We know this not only by His actions but by the fact that we know He led a SINLESS life. That is what qualified Him as our sacrifice. He that knew no sin took ours. So, no, Jesus did not break any command, ever, esp. the 4th. He was simply exposing the Pharisees legalistic, hypocritical beliefs. That in no way deletes the 4th command to observe the 7th day Sabbath.
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Sparky101
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 1:23pmDavid, there are plenty of scriptures that speak to what the law means under the new covenant. Christ as our new high priest has changed the law. It had it’s purpose, given to the Israelites, but Christ’s purpose was superior (once, for all). There is no repeating of the 4th commandment in the New Testament or any specific admonishment for a new covenant believer to follow it. Other commandments are mentioned. You can certainly believe as you wish. I am not under the law, I am under Christ. I am free. Thanks for your steadfast holding to what you believe. I respect that. It’s time you respected what I find in the scriptures. You can worship on Saturdays and I on Sundays. Neither is superior to the other. I prefer to worship out of the desire of my heart and love of Christ, not out of obligation or rule of law, but rather out of the intent of the law.
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Sparky101
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 1:54pmWell David, it seems that your understanding of what the 10 commandment were for, and what Christ’s sacrifice did, are different than what I read about the new covenant. But don’t worry, I relinquish my claim to your $100,000 offer. I don’t want your money, although Hebrews 7:12 states that with the advent of our new high priest, there was a change in the law. Our Sabbath-rest is now achieved by resting in Christ and what he has done. I will worship on Sunday. You can worship on Saturday. No one ever gets to heaven by keeping the Commandments, that was not their purpose. I will hold to such scripture as Colossians 2:16 “Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.” So If I were you, I’d not judge Christians who worship the Lord their God on Sunday, because the scriptures are replete with descriptions of what the new covenant has done to the first one. Some people just cannot fathom the freedom brought about by accepting Christ’s promise. Some can.
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David-FL
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 2:00pmSparky, you are in error. It absolutely does matter. Jesus died for the breaking of these commands and you say they are gone? Really? If I came and drove your car away you would say it was a sin. Thou shall not steal. The 10 Commands are not multiple choice. Ask Cain how his offering went? God is specific and for a reason. In light of the fact that Jesus affirmed the Sabbath day in the N.T. (which I just provided), you can not say it was nailed to the cross. No. the Book of the Law was nailed to the cross and done away with. The 10 Commands remain. Moreover, keeping the law will NOT earn anyone salvation. Salvation can not be earned and no one can keep the 10 C’s perfectly. We sin in our thoughts and Jesus says that is as mjuch a sin as if we actually accted on those thoughts. However, out of gratitude and appreciation and love for what he has done FOR us, we as believers, should pray that the Holy Spirit will help us be obedient to the Lord by keeping His commands.
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David-FL
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 2:01pmThe Mosaic Law was written in a Book and kept (beside) the Arc. The Book of the Law is the Mosaic Law and it is that which was nailed to the cross and done away with. We no longer place our Faith in one of the redemptive actions demanded in the Book of the Law to blot out our sin. We place our Faith in Christ and His ultimate sacrifice… which was once, and for All. So Christ fullfilled and cancelled the Book of the Law (the Mosaic Law) and it is done away with, however, the Ten Commandments remain for all believers to follow. Not as a way to EARN salvation, but out of gratitude for what He has done (for) us, we (try) to keep the Ten Commands. And by the way, that includes the 4th Command, the Seventh Day Sabbath… SATURDAY!
Deuteronomy 31:24-26
24 After Moses finished writing in a book the words of this law from beginning to end, 25 he gave this command to the Levites who carried the ark of the covenant of the Lord: 26 “Take this Book of the Law and place it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God. There it will remain as a will remain as a witness against you
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David-FL
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 2:11pm1 John 2:2-5
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1 John 3
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1 John 5
5 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
2 John 1
5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
Rev 12: 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 14:12
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus
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David-FL
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 2:21pmSparky, what you are preaching is Antinimianism. The idea that as a Christian, you can do as you like because there is no law now and even if there were, Christ would forgive you. That is a grave error! That turns His Grace into a dis-grace! Jesus blotted out the Mosaic Law (the Book of the Law), yes. We place our faith in Christ’s atonement instead of following the actions prescribed in the Book of the Law. We don’t have to sacrifice and animal for our sines etc… But the 10 C’s remain and we should obey them, including the 4th. Not as a way to earn salvation, that is impossible, but out of love and gratitude. Moreover, if there is no law… there is no sin.
Romans 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Without the law, there is no Sin. What I am trying to share is the harmony between God’s Holy Law and His Grace. We are saved by Grace alone, thru Faith alone, but that does not give us permission to break the 10C’s…
Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Romans 6:15
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid!
May the Holy Spirit guide you into all Truth.
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David-FL
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 2:34pmTo correct my mispelling_
antinomian |ˌantiˈnōmēən|
adjective
of or relating to the view that Christians are released by grace from the obligation of observing the moral law (the Ten Commands).
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Sparky101
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 3:03pmDavid, I am not in any error simply because I believe scripture over what you say. Bottom line, what do you think happens to me if I worship my Lord whole heartedly on a Sunday, and what do you think happens to you for worshipping on a Saturday? Are you so stuck on something thats purpose has been replaced by a superior version, that you worship the rule of law instead of its intent? Seems so. Like I said, you do God your way, I’ll do God mine. I am fully comfortable in my beliefs based on scripture and my faith in God and what Jesus did for me.
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Sparky101
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 3:13pmDavid, you say “May the Holy Spirit guide you into all Truth.” Thanks, he is doing just that. I would hope he would do that for you also. I have never said you were wrong, yet you have pinned that on me. The verses I brought to you are very important because they speak to such judgement. You can continue to worry that Children of God cannot function under freedom. It was God that gave this freedom to me, through Christ. It is his love that guides my steps, not rules. This is part of his gift to me. I have accepted that gift. Legalism can be a bad thing. That’s where the pharisees ended up. Could be your fate also.
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Sparky101
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 3:19pmDavid you said “Sparky, what you are preaching is Antinimianism. The idea that as a Christian, you can do as you like because there is no law now and even if there were, Christ would forgive you.”
Well, since you can read my heart (so Christ like you are), I guess the gig is up, huh? No, from what you say, it is apparent to me that you simply don’t understand this yet. Perhaps someday you will, maybe not. I forgive you for judging me, in the same manner as Christ forgave those who put him on the cross. Thanks for your dialog. It’s been interesting. Go and serve the Lord.
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David-FL
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 3:47pmWell Sparky, you will have to ignore these (and other) verses and live in contradiction-
Rev 12: 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 14:12
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus
May God Bless you with His Truths.
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David-FL
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 4:05pmbtw.. I was not reading your heart Sparky. Only the Lord can do that. I was reading your posts. In your posts you suggest that the 10 Commandments were done away with, or that they are now multiple choice. That is absurd.
Furthermore, Freedom in Christ does (not) give you the freedom to Sin. Moreover, the Bible does not talk about (freedom in Christ) as much as it talks about (Resting) in Christ’s redemptive work on the cross.
Grace does not empower you to ignore any of the Commandments God wrote in stone. End of Story.
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Sparky101
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 11:12pmDavid, you are a piece of work. You judged me and then say you didn’t. We will leave that between you and your God, because when you sin against me, you’ve sinned against him. You seem to be trapped in legalism, and that’s okay because some people are unable to function with the freedom Jesus offers. Weak people need such framework. However, we both know that you have not been able to point to the New Testament scripture that speaks directly to how new covenant believers should obey the 4th commandment (as you interpret it – if at all). Yet you would preach this to others as though it was plain and clear. It is not, which is why you have such a hard time proving it. You refused to answer my question about what happens to me if I wholeheartedly worship on a Sunday. As I said, you seem to need to have something outward that you can hang your hat on, and point to as though you were some kind of superior law-abider. You seem very much like a today version of a pharisee. People seem to need laws when their faith is weak. If keeping laws is your idea of how to follow Christ, that’s okay. You apparently still need such laws. But, Christ came to set you free. You seem to be telling him that his new covenant is faulty and that you know better than him that people can’t handle such freedom. Take it up with him, I don’t need to hear any more of your pointy finger judgements.
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David-FL
Posted on March 3, 2013 at 11:27amSparky, I posted against legalism and salvation thru law keeping numerous times in this thread. It seems you are unable to see what I’ve written.
I believe there are saved people in every denomination. People God is calling out of Babylon and to His Truths. The truth off the Sabbath is one of those Truths. It warms my heart to know that you place your faith in Christ. Amen! And there is no doubt God does not turn away praise Sun thru Fri night. I am simply stating a reality regarding what day the Sabbath is and that it remains for believers (saved by Grace) to observe. It is a tough pill to swallow. I know. But it is Truth nonetheless. To ignore the 7th day Sabbath is a sin. Plain and simple.
Blessings to you and your Famliy!
David-FL (a sinner saved by grace alone, thru faith alone)
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Sparky101
Posted on March 3, 2013 at 12:07pmLike I said, I’ve forgiven you for judging me. That is now between you and your God. Look at you, you go around telling Christians that don’t believe the things your sect teaches, that they are sinning. Who has appointed you to judge my faith? That’s why I asked you two very important questions that you have failed to answer. What happens to me if I wholeheartedly worship my Lord on Sunday, the Lords Day (Rev. 1:10)? Where in the New Testament is the 4th Commandment specifically repeated?
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David-FL
Posted on March 3, 2013 at 8:02pmSparky, the Lord’s Day is Saturday, the seventh day Sabbath. John was in the spirit on the Sabbath. The Lord’s Day was established on day seven of Creation. How do you arrive at Sunday (the 1st day) from that? Anyway, it is all here in this thread. I showed you three times where Jesus upheld and defined the Sabbath (1. Sabbath made for man, 2. healed and 3. gleaned on the Sabbath) which you mentioned, tho out of context. I also showed you John makes numerous declarations about those who obey God’s commandments (not man’s) and have the faith (testimony) of Jesus. All the scripture has been posted. It’s all here in this thread.
In light of the fact that Daniel prophesied the (attempted) change to God’s Law, this issue is terribly important. Read how Rome brags about the change-
http://www.remnantofgod.org/romeadmits.htm
Daniel 7:25
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Rev13
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus
Now, asking me how the Lord judges is something I am in no position to answer. Study this yourself. Don’t believe me! Research this yourself. However, like the man whose doctor tells him he is overweight and the man says he will seek a second opinion – from his baker! Don’t run to your bak
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obxned
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 2:50pmWow, this is a very good outcome! With all the horrid things we keep seeing in the news about Texas schools, this gives hope that ‘decency’ and ‘sportsmanship’ still matter.
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Moliminous
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 12:46pmDon’t forget baseball league finals in the spring. Some have been scheduled during Easter break that conflict with Christian school participants, others have been scheduled during Passover which is a conflict for Jewish schools. Somehow these schedules never interfere with anything the government schools do or believe except for their time off.
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David-FL
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 11:18am@kaydeebeau,
On the contrary. It matters a great deal. Do you honestly think God gave Moses a vague law? After all, Christ died on a cross to pay for the sins of breaking that law and you think it was vague? No. Moses knew what to do. So did all the People as they heard God’s voice give the commands and thus, Saturday (the 7th day) remains the Sabbath. It has been that way since day 7 of creation. So, no, both can not be right. You can not break a law and be within a law. It does matter. It matters that we follow God’s rules and not man’s rules. Man can not change God’s Holy Laws no matter how noble we think the change would be. (We) are not God!
The 7th day Sabbath is a Memorial to God’s great act of creation. It is terribly important!
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Sparky101
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 6:44pmOf course those of us who are under the new covenant understand that no one gets to heaven by observing the law. It is the law that can convince us we are sinners, and that points us to our true salvation.
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David-FL
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 2:29pmAbsolutely Sparky, Grace alone thru faith alone. However, we are not to dismiss the 10C’s and continue sinning because of God’s Grace. That turns His Grace into a dis-grace!
If you get pulled over for doing 95mph and the cop decides to give you grace and let’s you go, that does not give you the right to pull back onto the HWY and do 95mph again as you seem to be suggesting..
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David-FL
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 2:32pmOf course, anyone who fully (understands) the New Covenant, understands that truth.
We are not saved by the blood of animals and other offerings, we are saved by the blood shed by the sinless life and atoning sacrifice of our Lord Jesus Christ. Logically, this (Grace) does no empower us to break any of the 10 Commands either…
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Priscilla King
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 11:06amDoes everyone out there realize that at least four Christian denominations, one of which is large, share these Jews’ problem with the Friday night game tradition? Thousands of S.D.A., S.D.B., W.C.O.G., and other teenagers have been unable to play the most popular sports because Friday night is family worship time for them too.
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David-FL
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 11:30amAbsolutely, and Saturday games are out as well.
No law should be passed on this matter. God has already written the law on this subject. People need to decide for themselves who they will serve, God or man. Fortunately, more and more are coming to the Truth and maybe, in time, schedules will be moved to accomodate the majority. Don’t hold your breath!
At least we have this to look forward to-
Isaiah 66:22-23
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
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Sparky101
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:12pmHi David. Isaiah is fantastic. I think Colossians 2:13-17 addresses this issue from a new covenant point of veiw.
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David-FL
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 2:40pmSparky, in Colossians, Paul is referring to the (other) Sabbaths written in the Book of the Law and that Book (of the Law, or Mosaic Law) was nailed to the cross. Paul is NOT referring to the 4th command which is God’s eternal Memorial to His great act of Creation.
Folks you have to understand that there are multiple Sabbaths in the Bible. One that remains and is eternal is the 4th command. The other sabbaths were nailed to the cross and done away with. Also, Paul uses the term ‘Law’ loosly. You must read and understand (which) law he is talking about. Does he mean the 10 Commands or the Book of the Law? So, don’t let Colossians fool you by a cursory read in hopes it will justify your actions. No, dig for the Truth.
Pray for understanding!
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Sparky101
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 3:23pmAnd David, surely you can guide us to the New Testament scripture that repeats the 4th commandment, right?
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David-FL
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 3:48pmI already did..
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Sparky101
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 11:17pmYou most certainly did not, which is why you continue to avoid telling us where it is. You simply don’t have it. It isn’t there. Too bad, because that kinda takes the air out of your tires.
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David-FL
Posted on March 5, 2013 at 7:31amI showed you three times where Jesus upheld and defined the Sabbath (1. Sabbath made for man, 2. healed and 3. gleaned on the Sabbath) which you mentioned, tho out of context. I also showed you John makes numerous declarations about those who obey God’s commandments (not man’s) and have the faith (testimony) of Jesus. All the scripture has been posted. It’s all here in this thread.
In light of the fact that Daniel prophesied the (attempted) change to God’s Law, this issue is terribly important. Read how Rome brags about the change-
http://www.remnantofgod.org/romeadmits.htm
Daniel 7:25
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Rev13
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus
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David-FL
Posted on March 5, 2013 at 8:09amI most ceertainly did. Here it is (again)
To answer your question, the Jews had perverted God’s Law. They thought if God has 10 Laws, 10,000 will be even better and they added and perverted God’s Law. They added many many commands to the 4th command which God never intended. Let’s use your example- jesus healed on the Sabbath. Do you honestly believe that was work? No. Of course not. He was doing His Father’s will. The Pharisees, because of their blindness, said Jesus was working while healing and they used that to trap Jesus. Jesus went to great efforts to show that the Sabbath was not to be a burden, but a blessing!
It is against the law to leave an egg in the Sun because that would be cooking. It is unlawful to walk more than so many steps from one’s home etc etc… THESE are the laws the Pharisees ADDED to God”s Law and Jesus upholding and DEFINING the Sabbath when he healed and gleaned food to eat on the Sabbath. You will not find ANY of the Pharisee Sabbath Laws in the 4th Command- thet is not what God’s Law states. That was Jesus’ point!
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David-FL
Posted on March 5, 2013 at 8:15amWhere here in the 4th command dos it say not to heal? Not to glean food if hungry? Not to leave an egg in the sun? Not to walk too far?… NO WHERE! That was jesus’ point, that it is ok to do good on the Sabbath. That upholds the Sabbath, not abolish it. No. No.
Exodus 20:8-11
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
The Pharisees had made the Sabbath into a burden and added to God’s Holy Law. Jesus was reuting that and demonstrating it was ok to do good on the Sabbath.
Moreover, the Ten Commands were not just given to the Jews. They were given to man.
Mark 2:27
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Many Egyptians and other foreigners and alien came out of Egyt with the Jews and Kings Solomon called ALL people to come worship the Lord. The Lord chose Israel to share God with the rest of humanity. Israel was NOT to be an exclusive ‘club’. The commands were given to ALL people who will obey the Lord and the Ten Commands remain today.
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ofass
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 10:41amOh did you see that? Just mentioned the name “Jew” and Jerky is flourishing….how many posts in one small subject? well, much more than any of the big issues….there he has no opinion what so ever.
Nazi boy – get back to your donkey, but remember – punch him carefully…
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David-FL
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 9:17amRegarding Sunday Worship-
Mark 7:7
‘Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men’.
@Southern, I do agree with you on one point you made, they should have addressed it (before) signing up. Nonetheless, it is great that this is national/ international news which brings this important topic to the surface. More and more Christians are coming to the Truths of the Bible. This is what God desires-
Revelation 18:4
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
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The_Jerk
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 9:25amDave, you base your argument on a false premise. What day did God call the first day? Did he speak Roman or Old English?
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The_Jerk
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 9:27amAnd, Dave. Might I suggest that you use the “Reply” button. Your logic and reason to other peoples’ responses would be easier to follow.
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David-FL
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 9:46amJerk, I’d use the Reply Button if I saw one. Sometimes they are present, other times not.
Genesis 1
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
You really have to do a tremendous amount of mental gymnastics to deny the Truth of the Lord’s Seventh Day (Saturday) Sabbath. Any explanation is unsatisfactory. Even honoring the resurrection, because need I remind everyone, (we) are NOT God. We can’t change God’s Holy Law.
Jerk, your arguement I will not entertain, because at some point one must rely on faith, faith that there is any perceptable reality at all. You can run down that road. At the end, you’ll find a culdesac filled with altruistic progressives. Enjoy the party.
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The_Jerk
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 9:55amDave, these were your words: “I’ve offered this on another thread and will offer it again here. I will give $100,000.00 (USD) to anyone who can show in the Bible (alone) that the seventh day Sabbath was moved to Sunday (the first day) or that the first day (Sunday) is now the Sabbath.”
Where did God say that the seventh day was Sunday? Or Saturday? So, your point is moot. You say that we must use faith, yet mankind labeled the days. Prove to us that God called the first day Sunday. If he did not, all is conjecture.
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1_Smoot_Tall
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 10:01amWhat happens during Ramadan? No basketball for a month?
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David-FL
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 10:21amI know with all the anti-jewish muck running through your head it is difficult to concentrate so let’s give it one last shot. I hope you can follow. God created the Universe in 6 days and rested on the 7th day. (Where do you think the 7 day week came from?). God blessed then 7th day and made it Holy. Today we call that day (in English) Saturday. In Spanish it is Sabado etc etc.. Now, no where in Scripture do we find any mention of God moving His Holy Day, the Lord’s Day, the Seventh Day Sabbath to the first (which we now call Sunday). Surely you can understand that. A child can understand it… Now go read the end of Luke 23 and the beginning of Luke 24 (I posted it) and a BRIGHT LIGHT should go on inside your mind. Don’t be afraid of the Light!
“he who has ears, let him hear”
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The_Jerk
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 10:35amDave I understand your anger, and your knee jerk response to go to the default position of antisemitism, but that doesn’t change the fact that God did not call the first day Sunday. Man did. It’s arbitrary.
The fiscal year for the government begins in October, not January. It still contains a first day and a last day. Perhaps this applies more to you: ““he who has ears, let him hear”
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David-FL
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 10:43amIt’s not knee-jerk… It’s You Jerk. That is your mode of operation. We all have read your anti-semetic statements.
God never called the first day Sunday, nor the 7th day Saturday. What you are displaying is a straw man arguement. I never said God called the days by Saturday or Sunday. What I did do, was use those terms 1st day (Sunday) and 7th day (Saturday) interchangeably so everyone knew what we were talking about. That in no way moots my $100,000.00 offer.
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David-FL
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 9:03amHi Hi,
The games should be scheduled for Sundays LOL… or after school Mon-Thurs.
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The_Jerk
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 9:12amExactly my point. Change the world for me says the Jewish progressive. This is their history. Then, they confuse push-back from the established culture and tradition with antisemitism and oppression.
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The_Jerk
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 9:32amThey should have kept to the schedule and called their game a forfeit, just as they would do with any other team that failed to show. They see themselves as special and above everyone else. Change for me is their credo.
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tzion
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 11:30am@jerk
Out of curiosity, who do you believe is paying for these board members to schedule the games? If I’m paying for something you can be sure that I’d want it done a certain way. For example, by your logic, no state university would be required to make accommodations for my religious observances in spite of the fact that I could never hope to graduate without such allowances. But why should that be the case if I was paying good money for that service?
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Southernsoul
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 8:56amThey knew the schedule going in to the league. Why didn’t they say something then? No, this is not religious discrimination, its typical, liberal whining until the minority gets their way.
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The_Jerk
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 9:09amIt’s progressive Jewish whining. Cultural changing, tradition destroying, I want to rule your life, Jewish progressivism. How much proof does one require?
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tzion
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 9:57am@Jerk
“Cole said he’s relieved that his young players won’t be at the center of a national debate, and that he won’t have to talk to them about the likelihood of not getting to play for a championship because of their religious beliefs. The players were unanimously ready to accept that last year, saying their faith outweighed the chance for athletic glory.”
Yep really sounds like being allowed to play was so important for the players if they were willing to forfeit for religious beliefs. Besides, wouldn’t it be the organization telling the Jewish that they either have to change they practices or suffer consequences? While I don’t believe there should be any legal obligation to make accommodations, parents have every right to express their disagreement with the existing policy. Moreover, since the league would naturally want to create a fair playing environment, making a means of accommodating all their members is only natural.
The simple fact is you’d be bashing the league if they scheduled a game on Easter.
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The_Jerk
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 10:14amTzion, it’s the attitude that “rules don’t apply to us” that is troublesome. We’re special. From February of last years ‘change for us’ debacle:
The organization’s statement also cited a rule that stipulates that a team, upon qualifying for the playoffs, must notify Tapps if it will not participate in all playoff games in which it qualifies and must remove itself from the playoffs.
“When Beren Academy qualified for the playoffs this year, they did not remove themselves from the playoffs, as described in Section 138.C.3.e, but instead played and won their bi-district, area and regional games,” the statement said.
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tzion
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 11:48am@jerk
Section 138? Sounds like their regulations are immensely complex. Since this was the first time the school qualified, isn’t it conceivable that they were unfamiliar with that one rule and they violated it by accident? And the team had unanimously agreed to forfeit if no alternative could be reached so it wasn’t as though they wished to openly challenge the rule. All they did was request a special exemption which they received.
Besides, as part of the league doesn’t the school get some say in the matter? After all, someone is paying those board members to write up the schedule.
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birthright
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 10:00pmNo, it is not “typical liberal whining” to request an accommodation. Yes, they should have realized the implications of the schedule, but humans make mistakes. I too worship from Friday at sunset until Saturday at sunset as set forth in the Bible although I am not Jewish. I once sign up for a class at LSU that ended with a Saturday final exam. I had to go ask the professor for an accommodation or fail the class after a semester of hard work. My point is that the exam schedule was available at the time of registration, but I didn’t know that when I registered for the class. I made a mistake because I didn’t have all of the information I needed. It turned out well in that the professor was willing to provide me with an alternate exam date and I was able to complete the class. I knew going in that the professor didn’t have to help me out and that I had to make a choice. I consider myself very conservative in that I want to be allowed to make my own choices in life and I don’t want to tell you how to live your life. Remember that the team was prepared to forfeit the game. They asked for an accommodation, they didn’t force an accommodation.
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hi
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 8:41amWhy should my kid miss school on Friday at 1 to play against their team? If they do this, then schools should close for the day too so my son does not miss school.
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David-FL
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 7:36amI’ve offered this on another thread and will offer it again here. I will give $100,000.00 (USD) to anyone who can show in the Bible (alone) that the seventh day Sabbath was moved to Sunday (the first day) or that the first day (Sunday) is now the Sabbath. Go and look. It isn’t there. Eventhough those funds would go a long way to paying off a mortgage, no one has claimed the funds, including the pope. The Papacy changed the day a s a’mark’ of their ecclesiastical power. Did you know Daniel the prophet prophesied this?
Daniel 7:25
25 He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time.
http://www.remnantofgod.org/romeadmits.htm
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The_Jerk
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 9:07amDave, can you show us where God said that the first day of the week was Sunday? If not, then man made the label and called the first day, Sunday. God might have begun his work on what we now call Monday.
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David-FL
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 9:33amYes,
Luke 23
52 This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. 53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid. 54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on. 55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
Luke 24
1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. 2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre. 3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.
Jesus rose on the first day as all Christians acknowledge. Friday is the Preparation day. Saturday (the 7th day) is God’s Holy Day, the Sabbath. Sunday is the first day of the week.
Interesting that in most languages the seventh day is called Sabbath (e.g. Sabado in Spanish).
Now, to venture into a realm of not being able to connect the dots that God created the Universe in 6 days, rested on the 7th (Saturday), Blessed it and made it Holy, then wrote it in stone with His own finger and have Moses present it to mankind, and that the jews (tho not always honored God’s Holy day) plainly acknowledge that it is Friday night to Saturday night, is to deny Reality. I would have to venture off into irrational thought to deny this Truth. Actually, one would have to deny Reality it
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The_Jerk
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 10:00amDave, we can all read the quotes of the Bible, and nowhere in those quotes does God call Sunday, or Saturday, the sabbath. Fallible man labeled the days. All we know is that there were 7 days, per the Bible. Other cultures have tried a different number of days.
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David-FL
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 7:34amIf the Bible is for Christians to follow, and the Sabbath was not changed by the Word of God, by whose authority did it get changed? We can’t simply change God’s Holy Law because we believe we have a good reason. We aren’t god. I want to celebrate His resurrection every day. Every hour. But the 4th command regarding the 7th Day Sabbath remains. After all, it was written by God’s own finger in stone, therefore, It remains for all mankind because it is His memorial to His great act of creation. It points to our Creator, and denies evolution. The Bible also tells me wide is the path to destruction. Therefore, yes, I believe in many, many cases the majority are wrong. We don’t find truth by counting noses.
Each person has to decide who their authority is. It is either the Word of God, or man. We either follow Scripture, or we follow rules made by man -
Matthew 15:3
Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?
Mark 7:8
You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.”
I was wrong (and sinning) when I ignored the 7th day for the 1st.
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Sparky101
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:36pmDavid, Hebrews 7:11-19 addresses the change in the law from the first covenant into the second covenant. Hebrews 9:15 addresses the sin you describe in your last sentence. It says that under the second covenant Christ has set you free from sins committed under the first covenant (the law).
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David-FL
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 7:25amThe seventh day (Saturday) is the Sabbath and all Christians who are grateful for what Christ has done FOR them, thru His sinless life and atoning sacrifice on the cross, should obey the Ten Commandments, not as a way to earn salvation, salvation can not be earned, but out of love and gratitude and appreciation for what He has done, obedience should follow, obedience to the Ten Commands, and that includes the 4th command, the seventh day Sabbath.
Mark 2:27
Then he (Jesus) said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
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PIGSWILLNEVERFLY
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 7:06amThe Biblical Hebrew calendar does not use traditional names for the days of the week, as the Julian calendar does. Also, each next day begins at sunset of each day. saturday sunset is day 1 and so forth. Only the 7th day has a name. Sabbath begins on (friday) when the sunsets (where ever you live) and ends when the sun sets (saturday). It is now the 12th month named, Adar/Nisan the 18th day of the year 6013 – according to the Biblically corrected calendar. When the sunsets today Sabbath begins until sunset tomorrow. There are many gentiles that are now following Yeshua’s Biblical Sabbath. Shabbat Shalom.
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beverlee
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 5:40amGet rid of sports.
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65Mustang
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 5:16amSorry, I don’t think the sports league should have caved.
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Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 2:41amWonder how most Blaze readers would feel if it was a Muslim School?
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Eastinfection
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 6:49amMany Islamists believe that all infidels should die, so TAPPS would have to kill all their competition in order to adhere to their religion, thus leaving the Islamic school to win by default.
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Big Media Bias
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 6:55amSMOKEY_BOJANGLES,
Muslims would demand Christian and Jewish athletes to adhere to all Islamic observances or face death.
Anyway… why are you insinuating Blaze readers are intolerant Christians?
This should have gone to court. Beren Academy knew the regular season schedule and knew the playoff schedule would be identical. If I was on a jury or presiding judge, it would be clear as day. The school league should have played the game on Saturday or remove themselves from the league. Period.
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R4M0N
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 12:00amBut Sunday is not “The Sabbath”, at least not according to the Bible. So the article is correct in not having to specify which Sabbath since there’s only one.
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Racenuke
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 1:20amWell what about Jesus rising on Sunday? Christians started to worship on Sunday as their new Sabbath. Sure many Christians in Acts still grouped together on the Sabbath, but Jesus said he is greater than the Sabbath, so isn’t Jesus rising from the grave a pretty big deal? I worship on Sunday for the sack that Jesus isn’t dead!
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TotallyNotATroll
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 1:35amSo it was diverted, ok so where is it going exactly. Or perhaps did they avert the problem? Proof of the education level of a blaze writer I suppose.
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BelowReality
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 1:39am@ Racenuke – “Christians started to worship on Sunday as their new Sabbath”. God established the Sabbath and sanctified it has HIS day (see 4th commandment). If man changed the Sabbath, then it is man’s sabbath, NOT God’s. Jesus worshiped on the Sabbath day along with the Jews. Even after Christ died and rose from the grave, Christians still worshiped on the Sabbath. It wasn’t until about 300 years later until Constantine, with the help of the Catholics, that the Sabbath was changed to Sunday. But whom do you worship, man or God?
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Sparky101
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:39amBelow, I worship the God of the new covenant, who has set me free. He knows my heart, he knows my thoughts, he inspires me to love him more, and to love my enemies. I’m not bound by any rules except to love the Lord my God with all my heart, mind, strength, and soul, (that is the greatest commandment) and the second is like it, to love my neighbors as myself. You will know the truth and the truth shall set you free. My relationship is not with a God of rules, but with a God of love who knows my heart and loves me all the same. He has given me his righteousness and has made me holy as he is holy. Thank you for your input and for your love of God. That is good.
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David-FL
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 9:18am@Below, the love God by obeying the first 4 commandments and you love your neighbor by obeying the last 6 commandments. To suggest the 10 Commands are done away with is silliness in the extreme, nor are they multiple choice.
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Sparky101
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 11:03amDavid, in Exodus 31:12-17, God is instructing Moses that the “Israelites” were to observe the Sabbath, specifically that it would be a sign of a covenant between God and the “Israelites.” Interestingly, it also states to the Israelites that “whoever does anywork on that day must be cut off from his people.” and “Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.”
Fast forward to the New Teatament wherin there is no repeating of the 4th Commandment for Christ followers, but where Jesus “works” on the Sabbath.
As mentioned in John 9:16 where because of his working on the Sabbath, some Pharisees said “This man is not from God because he does not keep the Sabbath.” A very interesting comment (and huge mistake) coming from those who considered themselves the most spiritual and ceremonally clean of the Jews.
Romans 6:14 says “For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace.”
Collossians 2:16 says “Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.”
In God’s wisdom, he sent the Holy Spirit to earth on the first day of the week. and in Rev. 1:10, John says he was “in the Spirit” on “the Lord’s Day,” also a Sunday.
I am not an Israelite or a Jew, I am a Christ-follower. That I may chose to worship my Lord on a Sunday is my choice, and I’ll not be made to feel bad by those who cannot understand freedom in
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David-FL
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 4:50pmAll this is covered above.
jesus was not working on the Sabbath. That was the point he was making. he was not saying the Sabbath was gone. Are you kidding? So, jesus turned the 10 Commands into the 9 Commands and atoned for 9. Huh? No jesus was putting the Sabbath in it’s proper context because the Pharisees had added thousands of rules to God’s 10 C’s. You brought up the two Styories of jesus healing and Gleaning Grain to eat on the Sabbath. I posted the actual verses from the Bible. Surely you can see Jesus did not abolish the Commands. Not at all. he was letting them know they had made the Sabbath to rigid… moreover, they should not add to God’s Law. Period.
All ten Commandments are found in the N.T. More importantly we find these-
Rev 12: 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 14:12
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
The verses in Colossians are talking about the (other) sabbaths that were written in the (Book) of the Law and nailed to the cross and are abolished. All this is covered above.
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spfoam1
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 11:57pmThis was a good decision. This is not just a Jewish thing. ALL Christians should observe Sabbath during the same time frame.
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Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 11:52pmA jewish basketball team………ow, ow, ow……I just bit my tongue, I am trying so hard to not write a joke about the easiest way to beat them, just bring a bag of quarters and throw them on the court during tip off. But that would be very very bad to write, so I won’t.
I need to go to confession now, I am sorry, that was very bad of me.
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pagraywolf
Posted on February 28, 2013 at 11:50pmMr. Hallowell,
You wrote, “Beren is one of two Orthodox Jewish schools in TAPPS, and there are three Adventist schools, which also observe the Sabbath.”
It should read that they observe the Sabbath on Saturday. You make is sound like we Protestants and Catholics who observe on Sunday (the vast majority of those who say they are Christians) don’t matter.
Please be more ‘observant’ of the facts the next time you write an article.
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spfoam1
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 12:42amLook in your bible and find where is says anyone should observe Sabbath on Sunday, and post it here. Most Christians listen to men behind the podium who ignore scripture.
http://www.worldtocome.org/player.html#!Item=558743,1
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marine249
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 12:56amNo big deal to me.
Looking at my calendar
the week starts on Sunday.
It say on the 7th day God rested.
Just saying——
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kaydeebeau
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 7:00amactually – the Bible doesn’t exactly say which day of the week – It says 6 days shall you labor, on the 7th day you should rest and observe the Sabbath.
Tradtional Jewish custom rests / observes Sabbath on the last day of the week – Saturday – at the end of the week to reflect on God’s belssings from the past week
Tradtitional Christian custom rests / observes the Sabbath on the first day of the week – Sunday – at the beginning of the week to correspond symbollically with the resurection of Christ and the New Covenant for the remission of sin – and to represent the hope of Christ for the future
The important point is the rest / observance of the Sabbath – not the day of the week it is done.
Since God could have specified a day when he handed Moses the law – but didn’t – and since both encompass working 6 days and leaving the 7th day for rest, reflection and worship of God – both Jewish and Christian observances are within the law-
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birthright
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 10:22pmKaydeebeau, it is convenient to play word games with names of the days of the week, but it isn’t that hard to find out which day God called the Sabbath. What you have to ask yourself is: Does the day you choose to worship Him matter to God? Since Sabbath is all through the Bible from Genesis to Revelation (which was written well after the death and resurrection of Jesus) I would say it matters to Him. Cain thought that it didn’t matter what he sacrificed so he put his produce on the alter. God let Cain know that He wanted it done just like He said, not how ever Cain wanted to do it. God burned Abel’s offering that was done God’s way and refused Cain’s offering. Christians and non-christians agree that we should follow the last five of the ten commandments. Yet they claim the first five are no longer binding. Since God wrote them Himself, I’d say we should refrain from deleting the ones we find are getting in the way of what we want to do. To those who think following the ten commandments is for those who think they can earn Heaven: we do it because we love God and we like to please Him. Kind of like I jump up and get a drink (soda) for my husband because I love him and want to do things for him, not because he requires me to do so. In fact, I would get pretty hot under the collar if he expected to be waited on, but I like to get things for him because he asks kindly and I love him. I do my best to be like Jesus because I want to be as good as He is.
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Sparky101
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 1:13pmBirthright, God gave the law to the Israelites under the first covenant. Hebrews 7:12 describes an important facet of the new covenant: “For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.” The purpose of the law was fulfilled in Christ. Heb. 7:22 says “Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.” Heb. 8:13 says “By calling this covenant “new” he has made the first one obsolete….” In Heb. 10:16 the Holy Spirit says “This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts and I will writh them on their minds.” If you wish to worship on a Saturday, go for it and worship extravatantly. If I wish to worship on Sunday as the Lords Day, I believe there are plenty of new testament scriptures that speak to this possibility and would bless that. We are both lovers of Christ.
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