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Rewriting History? Progressive Radio Host Says U.S. Has Been Socialist Since ‘Founding of the Republic’, Cites George Washington

Mar. 1, 2013 11:31pm Jason Howerton

Progressive radio host Thom Hartmann on Tuesday said the United States has had a “socialist government from the founding of the republic.”

The comments came after a caller argued that America wasn’t intended to be a democratic-socialist nation.

“Sure it was,” Hartmann replied. “We have a military, we have a post office, we have, we have educational systems.”

He went on to cite George Washington as proof that the nation was founded on socialist principles.

“George Washington signed the first law that provided for housing, food, and clothing for poor people in Washington, D.C. We’ve been a socialist government from the founding of the republic,” Hartmann added.

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ALL4FREEDOM
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 7:18am
Note that Washington’s provision for the poor applied to DC, which the Federal government controls as per the constitution, but not to the states, and that is the point. The post office is another enumerated power. This guy is just another brain-dead liberal progressive.

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- The Big Mick
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 7:39am
  and yet, HIS candidate was ELECTED.
  
  Thom ain’t the problem, his millions of fellow Dumbcits who OUTVOTE YOU are.
  What’s your plan for dealing with THEM?
  
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- 13th Imam
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 9:02am
  First things first
  Stop listening to Carl Rove and his ilk. Conservative business owners should CLOSE their business’s and flood the system with the unemployed. It’s come to the point when Actual TAXPAYERS have to stop feeding the DEMOCRAT Socialist system. Ammo up now and await the TAKERS riots. They will eat each other first. Then…………..
  
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- termyt
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 9:12am
  The radio person is clinging to the liberal canard that only they are compassionate because they have the government force us to be charitable. If not for forced “charity” (aka theft), the poor would starve. Since we have never let the poor starve (government force or no), we must have always been socialists. Flawed, even ridiculous logic, but that’s the way they think.
  
  Speaking of flawed logic, Imam. You believe we should completely abandon our principles to hasten the destruction of our system so that we will some how regain the principles we had just abandoned?
  
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- 13th Imam
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 9:18am
  If you can get our side to show up and vote, fine. But that isn’t happening.
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 9:46am
  What 13th said. De-fund every aspect.
  
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- UNALIEN
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 10:26am
  REWRITING HISTORY? MARXIST RADIO HOST SAYS U.S. HAS BEEN SOCIALIST SINCE ‘FOUNDING OF THE REPUBLIC’
  
  fixed…
  
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- desertspeaks
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 11:34am
  Hartmann replied. “We have a military, we have a post office, we have, we have educational systems.”
  Dear Stupid, aka hartmann, well there is a provision in the constitution for post offices and post roads, there is no provision for a standing army lasting longer than two years, there is NOT any reference or any type of provision for education!
  US Department of Education was formally enacted into law in 1979. The first US Department of Education was created in 1867, but was “demoted” in title to the Office of Education one year later.
  Mr hartmann must have missed the part in the constitution where each state is GUARANTEED a REPUBLICAN form of government!! not a bloody socialistic parasitic democracy!
  I would be willing to wager that mr hartmann doesn’t know the difference between a democracy and a republican form of government!
  
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- The Big Mick
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 1:11pm
  In principle Fub’s got a point. Government is like “Gremlins” the more you feed em, the more they grow evil.
  Don’t give Government ANY money and they can’t TAKE your money.
  
  How is trusting your fellow dumbcits to form a GOVERNMENT ANY different than trusting them WITH YOUR CREDIT CARD?
  
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- VanceUppercut
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 2:03pm
  And all that believed were together, and had all things in common;
  And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
  –Acts 2:44, 45
  
  And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
  And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
  Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
  And laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
  And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
  Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles’ feet.
  –Acts 4:32-37
  
  If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven.
  –Matthew 19:21
  
  You cannot serve both God and Money.
  –Matthew 6:24.
  
  Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
  –Matthew 19:24
  
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- toto
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 11:23pm
  VANCEUPPERCUT, the difference is that the Bible suggests that YOU share what you have with others, not that you have it taken from you by government and given to others as the government see fit.
  
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- StonyBurk
  Posted on March 3, 2013 at 7:49am
  His kine (and I spelled it correct–I put all cattle in the same pen for brandin’) said some time ago that Jesus of Nazareth was a socialist. seems the problem they have is narcissism. The old oral/anal can’t see beyond their own zipper syndrom. I heard his kine say Jefferson had a baby by his slave–they do come up with some Hollywood entertainment that is structured to Beguile silly women led from home filled with diverse lusts–but NONE of it worth paying the movie house for-and None of it worthy of consideration– for it is all unfounded dung not even useful as fertilizer.
  
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- VanceUppercut
  Posted on March 3, 2013 at 10:39am
  @toto
  
  Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
  This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing.
  Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
  –Romans 13:5-7
  
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NoSleeper
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 5:49am
Socialism requires big government and excessive governmental control. The founding concept of limiting government power makes the case for socialism difficult, at best.

Things like a federal Post Office are necessary infrastructure for the Government and the nation to function; without some infrastructure, there is anarchy. Public schools are definitely ‘socially liberal,’ but the control of the schools at the state and local level do not qualify them as an example of early socialism, either. Interesting to note that as the government has grown in both size and power, both of these institutions that were models for the rest of the world have failed to the point that we would be better served by privatization.

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- Cascadia
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 6:15am
  Crap. Crap. She said “We will change our history, we will change our traditions”…
  One is recognized as FACT (as has previously occurred in real time) – thus HISTORY.
  The other – May be influenced by any persons, at a given time, then?, now & in the future…
  Thus TRADITION…Crap. Crap.
  
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- socialism.rocks
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 7:53am
  they were not for limited government if the modern teaparty met up with the original teaparty they would lynch them…
  
  fact is the american revolutionary war was agaisnt european corporatism and conservativism
  
  the founders blasted conservatives in the face and put their dead-remains on parade
  
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- The Big Mick
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 7:54am
  All Government moves toward Tyranny. Anarchy–rule by NO ONE–is infinitely preferable to Tyranny.
  If Jefferson (on whose arguments regarding THE NATURE of LIBERTY we have based our Entire Independent Nation, The Constitution, and The Republic that Constitution established) was correct in asserting, “That government governs best that governs least,” then the BEST Government IS the Least, the LEAST-er the BETTER and the END of that math to approach NO Government. Anarchy is INFINITELY preferable to TOO MUCH Government and ANY Government will move as quickly as it can toward TOO MUCH.
  Government is like “Gremlins” you DARE NOT FEED it in ANY way.
  Check out L.Neil Smith’s Libertarian Utopia “The North American Confederacy” starting with “The Probability Broach.”
  
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- UnreconstructedLibertarian
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 9:18am
  Our history has already been changed, which is why the vast majority of you weep at Lincoln’s feet.
  
  Lincoln led the first actual, effective socialist revolution in the US. Most of what you abhor about government, was enabled by Lincoln. John Bolton even recently condoned the murder of civilians by this man’s actions, Lincoln.
  
  Have you ever asked yourself why Progressive Democrat and RINO alike worship the man? Even the Mormon’s deny the actual contemporary writings of their founders regarding the man. Ever looked into what Smith, Taylor, and Young wrote about him?
  
  Oh yeah, history has already been changed – we’re just here witnessing its final destruction.
  
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- chickiefromthesouth
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 10:22am
  @unrestrictedlibertarian – A quick google search of “Brigham Young on Abraham Lincoln” provides a wealth of information. The history that is being taught in schools today already is drastically different than the history that was being taught when I was in school a mere 40 years ago. What will another 100 years bring?
  
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- texastommy
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 10:39am
  @socialism.rocks
  
  Be very, very quiet. Your stupidity and ignorance are showing. The current TEA Party wants the Constitution to be followed. You know, that thing the founders wrote for us that describes how the republic is to be. You need to lean a little something before you post.
  
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- Lloyd Drako
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 10:43am
  UnreconstructedLibertarian:
  I can’t speak for Progressive Democrats and RINOs, but if contemporary Mormons hated Lincoln, they had good reason, if only because he headed the hated government of the US, which had been persecuting them. A government strong enough to crush the Confederacy would surely make short work of Zion!
  
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- The Big Mick
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 1:01pm
  SocialRocks!
  You ARE a HOOT!
  
  Life, liberty, and PROPERTY, Rockboy. PROPERTY!
  “No TAXES!” INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY! Whole appeal was to the TRADITIONAL rights of ENGLISHMEN back BEHIND George 3. HE was the Collectivist Statist, the Patriots were out for INDEPENDENCE!
  
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- The Big Mick
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 1:02pm
  I’m with U UNLib.
  
  Dig Lincoln up and feed what’s left to the dogs.
  
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Centurian
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 3:27am
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

The above statement is the 10th Amendment and is part of the Bill of Rights.

Simply put: the Federal Government only has authority of those items SPECIFICALLY stated in the Constitution.

Thus, Medicare and Social Security are UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

Education is not specifically mentioned, thus the Department of Education is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

All government funded welfare programs and health programs are UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

BUT, the states DO HAVE THE RIGHT to regulate health, education, welfare programs within their own state. But even then, the states have limited rights.

The Bill of Rights clearly define numerous INDIVIDUAL rights, and also state:

“The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.” (Ninth Amendment).

Meaning: That the individual has more rights than the ones specifically listed.

Freedom was designed with the individual being the dominant partner in the “social contract” between himself and government.

Socialism is the other way around: the government is the dominant partner in the “social contract”.

This is where Obama and many of the Democrats get it wrong. What their party has been doing since Roosevelt has been Unconstitutional power grabs.

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- Obama Been Lauding
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 5:48am
  More Maloney Bologna anyone??!!!
  
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- ProudCapitalist
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 10:53am
  Just try stripping away any one piece of the progressive-socialist agenda, be it welfare, medicaid, medicare, unemployment benefits, social security, FEMA, or any of the other socialist programs in place that redistribute wealth or centralize control in the government. All the babies, children, seniors, disabled, poor, and minorities are going to die.
  
  The first goal of a take-back program should be the elimination of any federal involvement in education and free our children from socialist programming. The second should be the elimination of all public service unions. The third should be…
  
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- Karl_Marcks
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 5:31pm
  By your definition corporations are unconstitutional.
  
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Serenabit
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 3:14am
Hartmann obviously knows nothing of history and even less of Washington. When George Washington was President Washington D.C. was not yet developed, John Adams was the first sitting President to occupy the Executive mansion, now known as the White House. Washington never signed such legislation into law and no bill was presented to him to create a government welfare system. This is irrefutable fact for anyone willing to study history.

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Maxim Crux
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 2:34am
I AGREE. It is quite simple, an opportunity for power and legacy always means either ignoring history…a.k.a, “hiding it” or making your own.

This is one reason why YOU should beware of anyone who says they have DEBUNKED someone else’s theory.

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TRUTHandFREEDOM
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 1:58am
I am not aware of that law, but remember, Washington DC is FEDERAL LAND. He didn’t sign a law do that in a stste.

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Nabuquduriuzhur
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 1:56am
So, Washington somehow was for these Planks of the Commie Manifesto, despite it not existing for almost another century?

First Plank— Abolition of private property rights and the application of all resulting “rents” from “using” the land to public purposes.

Second Plank— A heavy progressive/graduated income tax.

Third Plank— Abolition of all inheritance rights.

Fourth Plank— Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

Fifth Plank— Centralization of credit by the state by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

Sixth Plank— Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State.

Seventh Plank— Factories and and other production to become owned by the State. Cultivation of waste lands and the improvement of the soil in accordance with a common plan.

Eighth Plank— Equal rewards of all who work. Establishment of industrial “armies”, particularly for agriculture.

Ninth Plank— Combination of agriculture with manufacturing, abolition of the distinction between town and country, for a more equitable distribution of population over a country.

Tenth Plank— Free public school education for all children.

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- Keatonc333
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 2:03am
  Hes trying to make the point that Obama is no more of a socialist than Washington.
  
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- woody4_rom828
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 4:47am
  Trying only.
  
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- The Big Mick
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 7:57am
  Keyhole.
  And failed to make it. Washington never espoused The Van Jones Doctrine: “Give dem da WEALTH!”
  
  Blackberry ain’t no Socialist, he’s a Maoist Communist.
  Admittedly both are Collectivist Statist Redistributionists.
  George weren’t any of those.
  
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83plus
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 1:47am
Sounds like someone might’ve played hooky during US history.

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- taxpro4u03
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 6:31pm
  yup — they never did come off and inform us that July 27, 1868 and July 28, 1868 we the ORIGINS of ‘re-birth’ — i.e. enactment of the Admiralty/maritime “colorable law” — Why didn’t they teach that??? ;-) Because they knew that if the People ever discovered the TRUTH, they’d “Magna Carta” the politicians and LAWYERs involved — American citizens are separate and distinct from United States Citizens — although they DO co-exist… :-) Statutory ‘law’ — “Don’t apply…..” Libertarians need to put THAT on the table if they expect to play the ‘Constitutionalist’ game from a premise which is not BASED on ‘voluntary compliance’ — which is EXACTLY what the CREATION of the 14th article of amendment does — created a ‘new class of Citizenship,’ granting ‘immunities and privileges’ — which means the govt CONTROLS that which it creates — you ‘volunteered’ by being BORN — {but the govt didn’t create you….you or your parents via fraud by deception ‘volunteered’ to ‘be’ a United States Citizen on the false PRESUMPTION that Common Law and Admiralty law are one and the same…. Sory — but it don’t pass the Standard for Review test — ‘where does it come from what does it do what is its nature…’ Once we understand the irrefutable ORIGIN — the rest is ‘history.’ Re-write it any way ya want — doesn’t change the FACTS.
  
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sparkyrules
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 1:41am
Who is Thom Hartmann?Who spells their name like that?Who cares? DUMP

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- The Big Mick
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 8:03am
  beats the H ell out of “Shawniqua Mohammed” or “Meta World Peace” or ChokeO’Stinko.
  
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Eleutheria
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 1:38am
We’ve been a socialist nation for about 78 years. If we had been a socialist nation from the beginning in 1776, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

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- RIDEMODELS
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 1:45am
  Greece has been socialist longer than 78 yrs…..ooops bad example.
  
  Why is it so important for me to take care of someone who might want to sit at home and play Xbox all day because they cannot find a job, but then Hit up da club every weekend??…I do believe Michael Jackson said…..Dont have the baby if you cant feed the baby.
  
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Keatonc333
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 1:28am
You know.. I’m pretty sure Hartmann here is just tired of hearing the “Obamas a socialist” “socialist agenda” crap! He makes a pretty good point against that thought process… I mean you guys argue that Obama is a socialist because of Obamacare… and yet our founding fathers set up programs that are equally socialistic, if not more so.. Pretty sure he’s just making the point to call out the hypocrisy.

Its important to know.. you can subscribe to an idea (Obamacare, military, post office) without subscribing to that ideas entire ideology (socialism)

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- Chuck Stein
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 1:46am
  “our founding fathers set up programs that are equally socialistic, if not more so.. ”
  Please, enlighten us about those programs. Are you talking about slavery? That might fit the bill. Lincoln (in his second inaugual address) decired the practice of wringing one’s bread from the sweat of another man’s brow (a reference to slavery) and food stamps are paid for with taxes taken from the fruit of the labor of others.
  
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- Keatonc333
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 2:01am
  I’m talking about the military, post office, fire department, police department, libraries, schools, VA hospitals, jails, the national banking system, roads, streets, highways, byways, freeways, beaches, parks, unemployment, SSI, medicare, medicaid.. Yes I know not all of those were set up by our founding fathers.. but some definitely were… the rest were set up by various other president through out our history, Not including Obama. But now Obama is the socialist destroying the American way. the same American way that set up all of these socialist programs.
  
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- Keatonc333
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 2:11am
  here… Obamacare is socialist because it essentially takes in tax payer money, redirects it to insurance providers and thus everyone can see a doctor at an affordable rate.
  Washington set up the military, among other things, the military is socialist because it takes tax payers money, redirects it to the military and thus we all remain safe.. see?
  
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- Centurian
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 2:57am
  @Keaton:
  
  You must reference back to the Constitution: namely the Enumerated Powers stated.
  
  They are:
  1. The Executive Branch (the President), enforces the laws Congress passes, and has the power to sign or veto any bills passed by Congress. He may recommend the selection of each of the heads of Cabinet. He is the civilian commander in chief of the armed forces, and can decide to deploy troops to foreign soil. He can issue executive orders, pardons and/or clemencies for federal crimes.
  
  2.The Legislative Branch (Congress) has the power to mint money, borrow it from foreign lands, and to propose yearly fiscal year budgets. They also regulate trade with other nations, fix the standard of measurements, declare wars, provide for the maintenance of a navy, and promote and protect the arts and sciences by making copyright, trademark and patent laws.
  
  3. Judicial Branch, which shall consist of three parts: District Court, the Court of Appeals and the Supreme Court. They are constitutionally limited to hearing only federal cases in which someone has violated a federal law, committed a crime on federal property, or stands accused of treason against the United States.
  
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- Centurian
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 3:14am
  @Keaton:
  
  Referencing my last post, let’s look at your comment:
  
  “I’m talking about the military, post office, fire department, police department, libraries, schools, VA hospitals, jails, the national banking system, roads, streets, highways, byways, freeways, beaches, parks, unemployment, SSI, medicare, medicaid..”
  
  The military falls under Federal control, and is overseen by the Executive and Legislative branches. Va Hospitals fall under Military, so it would also be covered by the Constitution. The Post Office is conceivably covered under the Legislative branch.
  
  Fire and police are not specifically stated in the Constitution, but law enforcement does fall under the Judicial branch. Laws passed by Congress that deals with the safety of the people have always been a gray area, where Congress tended to hind behind the “general welfare” clause of the Constitution. The debate over this clause has been brewing for years.
  
  The other items mentioned, such as Social Security, Medicaid/Medicare, and the Department of Education are unconstitutional, since they are not specifically mentioned in the Constitution.
  
  I fail to see any hint of Socialism, though. The Founding Fathers passed the 10th amendment to the Bill of Rights which states that powers not granted to the federal government by the Constitution, nor prohibited to the States, are reserved to the States or the people.
  
  The 10th Amendment quickly kills any socialism debate.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 5:34am
  KEATON.. people think Obama’s a socialist/ Marxist because Obama keeps SAYING he is..
  
  -”So we’re going to provide a $4,000 tuition credit, every student, every year, but, students, you’re going to have to give back something in return. You’re going to have to participate in community service. You’re going to have to work in a homeless shelter, or a veteran’s home, or an underserved school, or join the Peace Corps.” – Barack Obama
  …So he wants to make “every student, every year” an employee of the state? And is this another step towards socializing higher education?
  
  -”And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns, or religion, or antipathy to people who aren’t like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment, or anti-trade sentiments as a way to explain their frustrations” – Barack Obama
  …Karl Marx said religion is the opiate of the masses. He was explaining his view that the wealthy bourgeoise cynically used religion as a device to keep the poor, simple proletariat happy in their misery and squalor so they would find it immoral to rise up and overthrow their capitalists oppressors.
  
  -”We can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times … and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK,” – Barack Obama
  …Hmm, is this quote for Marxist or Fascist? I can’t decide…
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 5:35am
  continued…
  
  -”It’s because you have an obligation to yourself. Because our individual salvation depends on collective salvation.” – Barack Obama
  -”The great task before our founders was putting into practice the ideal that government could simultaneously serve liberty and advance the common good. and Government, he believed, had an important role to play in advancing our common prosperity.” – Barack Obama
  …Collective? Common prosperity? “the ultimate goal of socialism is common prosperity” Source: Yang Chungui, The Marxist
  
  -”I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets.” – Barack Obama (Dreams of My Father)
  -”Political discussions, the kind at Occidental had once seemed so intense and purposeful, came to take on the flavor of the socialist conferences I sometimes attended at Cooper Union” – Barack Obama (Dreams of My Father)
  …Nothing more to say here…
  
  -”Well, Charlie, what I’ve said is that I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness.” – Barack Obama
  …No, not because it would increase revenue, but for “fairness”. Yes that’s right…punish success…
  
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- mastice
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 7:26am
  @Keatonc333
  
  You miss one very important fact in your argument to defend the ACA (obamacare) by referencing past programs and establishments the government has set up. (post office, unemployment, etc)
  
  Maybe someone can correct me, but has there EVER been a bill in the US that said to simply be a living, breathing, citizen of this country… you had to buy a (private industry) product or pay a tax (to the government)?
  
  I’m talking about the individual mandate portion of the ACA. For the life of me I don’t ever seem to remember hearing of such a law passed, on the federal level, that required such prior to the ACA.
  
  Some people like to reference the Militia Acts but love to leave out a couple of tiny little points. Points like those men were compensated with the same level of pay as the active military if ever called up to service, and their ‘goods’ they bought were protected from seizure to repay debts… etc.
  
  The ACA doesn’t compensate… it penalizes you if you don’t purchase a product from a private company (or the government).
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 9:52am
  Lil keatie you are a moron. Look, read, comprehend exactly what East laid out for you in your boy king’s own words, and you will continue to fluff for him. Sad, willfully ignorant troll you are. You cannot even accomplish useful idiot stage in the left’s hierarchy. Plain old idiot.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 10:05am
  KeatonC333
  
  Obama is a socialist.
  
  And like socialists & communists elsewhere, he centralizes & scr_ws things up making sure that people have less & have to queue. Then he retreats to his dacha in the Siberian forest.
  
  Not quite, in America the Dachas are in the Hamptons or Marthas Vinyard. You do realize that your heroes Obama & Clinton spend a lot of time there.
  
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- Hotconchick
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 10:12am
  Keaton didn’t you read any of your dear leaders books? He is a Communist whose ideology resembles Marx very closely not a Socialist. Obamacare is not the only thing that makes him what he is. He has taken over private companies as well- that isn’t Capitalism.
  
  I’m assuming when you say “you guys” you mean Conservatives calling Obama out. His Commie lefty buddies are also calling him out only thing is- they are more than happy to join him in bringing down America.
  
  As a former Communist myself, I know them when I see them and sorry Obama is a communist albeit not a very powerful one but his time may come. That is all the proof I need- my family and I lived it until we came here for freedom which is gone. Just wait until it sets in full bore here. There will be no food stamp programs, no voting, forced government jobs all for the good of the collective.
  
  You will be waiting in lines every week for your food rations, waiting days to see a doctor in a filthy hospital, working in the fields because you are forced to and then you will give your meager wage to the government and then they will give you back what they feel you need. Sound good Comrade??
  
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- AxelPhantom
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 11:17am
  Not only is Obama a Socialist/Marxist, but all progressive democrats are either knowingly or unknowingly. Want to argue? Better check this out first: http://socialistparty-usa.net/platform.html
  
  “Mysteriously” the Communist party platform that was there and is equally comparable to the Democrat platform has been removed from their website. I’ll see if I can find my copy.
  
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DeVain
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 1:07am
Feb. 13—The great American patriot Benjamin Franklin was asked, upon his emergence from the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia in 1787, what form of government the United States was going to have. Franklin answered succinctly, “A Republic, if you can keep it.”

’nuff said

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banjarmon
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 1:04am
I can tell from Hartmann comments that his head is fill with things a dog would not eat and a cat would want to cover up. Some where in his past life some one filled his head with buzzard vomit and PIG SQUIRT!

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Chancellor
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:55am
This coming from the same radio caster that though Hitler was a “Good ruller for his people” he just had a few character flaws…….

To bad you also have those same flaws Tommy boy!

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- CatB
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 1:04am
  Remember M.O. said we had to “rewrite our history” …
  
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wtd
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:54am
Indeed, this false narrative appears to be the revised accepted history of America. Here’s yet another example in video format:
John Nichols – Speech on the History of American Socialism hat tip: Trevor Loudon

The video is slow starting, so take your blood pressure meds and remove all breakable items from arms reach when viewing.

It is absolutely freaky to witness the consistency of the ever changing msm narrative, as frequently illustrated on talk radio replaying the uniform terminology released daily by msm ‘journ-o-listas’.

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Captain_Sensible
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:54am
Where to start….

First, Mr. Hartmann, I think that Washington D.C. was under construction when Washington was President. It was not yet the nation’s capitol. The President might have signed a law providing food and such to those in Washington, though I can find no record of anything that would resemble what you claim, but might that have been because, via the law, he was paying the salaries of those building the future capitol city?

Second, is it your belief that, to be a “socialist” nation, all that nation need have is a post office and an educational system? Seems a rather low bar to meet. I guess, then, that you’d have to say that virtually every country ever founded is “socialist.”

Third……who are you again?

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- ihasa
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 8:44am
  Yes, a very low bar. I think all countries have some national policies which pay for collective ‘goods’ (like education, healthcare, defence) through taxation. Conservatives like to slam these policies by smearing them as ‘socialism’. Progressives argue that simply having these policies opens the door for further ‘socialist’ policies. Both are wrong. In a democracy the people should decide what policies are adopted, on a policy by policy basis, irrespective of what label you want to apply to them. Or that should be the general idea.
  
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Semper4everSemper
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:36am
The country was populated by about 90 percent practicing Christians then. Many principles of Christianity resemble in practice what is called socialism, to some degree. The difference is who gets the Glory – God or ‘the state’. The result never works out the way the socialists/communists want it to since it always ultimately results in a fight over which dictator is the ‘truest’ commie. Pick sides and prepare to kill and/or die fighting your ‘fellow’ socialists to attain power and the real utopia.

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- woody4_rom828
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 4:59am
  Agree. I like to think that communism, despite its utopian goal, is not compatible with human nature and can never work this side of glory. Human nature wants to “keep up with the Jones’s”. If all the Jones’s are equal, there is nothing to strive for and equality in misery will be the result. Just ask the USSR. Oh that’s right, it no longer exists.
  
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Politijack
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:29am
Wow..that guy is an idiot..

So I guess by his logic we can take the current administration and deduce that;

They are very NATIONAListic with the pushing of their agenda on the states as in National Health care.

They are very SOCIALISTic with a very pro large government policy.

They have a strong following amongst the organized WORKERS of the country.

And as we all know they have a firm hold on the Democratic PARTY.

So yeah Obama isnt just a Marxist…

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- RIDEMODELS
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 1:52am
  The Dimorats were the ones complaining about Water Boarding in another country, because it was too inhumane…..and now they want to take away The Bill of Rights…..I hate those two faces Marsh-Mellow Balled nightclub owning Lawyers …..Yes college kids….The same Lawyer that tells you they can help you out of a DUI arrest are the same ones that own the nightclub…..and that is why you are a Low Info Voter….and it is my suspicion that they are the same ones that own RedLight cameras too….Marsh-Mellow balls..!!…..I know lawyers own Porn companies and then say they are for Womens rights…The real war on women.
  
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- Lloyd Drako
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 10:48am
  What, you couldn’t fit “German” in anywhere?
  
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rochrealtor
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:28am
No wonder I never heard the name before…I listen to Intelligent people.

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RationalMan
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:06am
O.K. Hartmann, I’ll play your pseudo game…..
Then why would a Socialist (Washington) fight against another Socialist..(Great Britain)?

Hartmann, you don’t know and you don’t know history!!!!!

BTW, Washington had a “Continental Army”…I don’t think you had your facts straight!!!

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- RationalMan
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:18am
  Well Hartmann,
  Since you know about the war…Was it about “Object vs. Subjects”?????
  
  Keyword here Hartmann, Subjects means “Slavery”! (Which side are you on?)……
  
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- RationalMan
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:36am
  Well Hartmann,
  Was it “American Revolutionary War” or was it call “The War of Independence”?
  
  Come-on, was it about “Objects vs. Subjects”????
  
  Well Hartmann,
  Was it “American Revolutionary War” or was it call “The War of Independence”?
  
  Hartmann, tell your audience the truth!!!!
  
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- Keatonc333
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 1:32am
  The socialist party didn’t form in Britain until 1904… not 1776.. We fought against a Monarchy..
  
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- The Big Mick
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 8:01am
  Keyhole.
  “When ANY form of government becomes destructive to these ends it is the RIGHT of the people to alter or abolish it.”
  We fought against a TYRANNY–”absolute despotism” said the Founders. Socialism is no less a Tyrant than a King.
  
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RayOne
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:02am
There will be opportunities to make the SEQUESTER more painful to the votingAmerican public.
Collect them.
Some events were able to operate without an increase, on this date.
MSM will have the public blame GlobalWarming & SEQUESTER.
Don’t count the payment made to Syrian Rebels, just under the Sequester wire it would seem.

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theBru
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 11:42pm
REALLY, didn’t they call it slavery back then?

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- RIDEMODELS
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 1:55am
  Hey yeah…….That sounds about right……High Taxes paid to a Bloated Government and its in no way Slavery……I want my reparations Now…!!
  
  Obama the White Slave owner……What a punk….Hope he is cool enough to drop Hell down a couple of degrees…..
  
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DLV
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 11:42pm
Honestly how brain dead are these people? George Washington a socialist? He was the exact opposite of a socialist! You might as well say Jesus is Satan. Debate closed…

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- Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:05am
  DLV:
  This is simply a tactic, let’s take an icon the conservatives hold dearly, and try to find obscure statements or link misinformation to him, to discredit him and make him look like he hold our point of view. They have tried that with statements Reagan has made, Romeny has made, Jefferson, etc. But on the other side, can we do the same to their icons, like Obama…..no, because he has never made anything right of socialism. What is funny is how they continually try to discredit our icons while theirs keep craping their pants and drooling down their shirts.
  
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- Keatonc333
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 2:06am
  Washington did install some socialist policies though… actually more than Obama has.
  
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- Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 2:15am
  Keatonc:
  Please, Obama, Pelosi, Reid implimented Socialized medicine and seveal other policies in the first 2 years of his adminsitration, then anyone has before him. In 4 years he spent 6 Trillion dollars, and at the same time started gutting the miltiary. Now he screams that the sequestration will make us less safe and cripple our safety. He did it. I am in the DoD and I know exactly what his policies are doing. So, please, explain yourself. And remember, I am a policy junkie. Be careful on what you post, and please reference it, because I am like a bloodhound, I can smell the BS a mile away.
  
  Really, I am trying very hard to get along with you, but don’t make a fool of yourself. I am open for an honest debate, but just like other liberal friends I have, and many of them are dear friends I would put my life on the line for, please, stick to the facts, or I will gut you.
  
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- DLV
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 3:31am
  Dar- Bam! Shut down! That’swhat that is.
  
  Keaton- explain those socialst policies?I recall none
  
  “The 1st United States Congress voted to pay Washington a salary of $25,000 a year—a large sum in 1789. Washington, already wealthy, declined the salary, since he valued his image as a selfless public servant. ”
  
  Unbelievable that’s why I love this guy.
  
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- katzkiner
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 4:10am
  They offered to make Washington king, he also declined, said let us be Presidents and say we “preside” till the King of kings comes.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 7:27am
  KEATON…
  
  “Washington did install some socialist policies though… actually more than Obama has.”
  
  How are you calculating that claim? by impact, % of GDP, or just line-items?
  
  If you had 20 pennies, and i had a single 100-dollar bill….
  would you say you had more money than me?
  
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- jeanr
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 8:17am
  Washington had federal troops march on American citizens to collect taxes during the Whiskey Rebellion. As much as you fear Obama, he has never done anything remotely close to that. It may not be strictly Socialist, but would be comparable to Obama sending troops to break up a “we will not comply” rally.
  
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- stelin1998
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 10:37am
  Whiskey rebellion:
  
  “Washington responded by sending peace commissioners to western Pennsylvania to negotiate with the rebels, while at the same time calling on governors to send a militia force to enforce the tax. With 13,000 militia provided by the governors of Virginia, Maryland, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania, Washington rode at the head of an army to suppress the insurgency. The rebels all went home before the arrival of the army, and there was no confrontation. About 20 men were arrested, but all were later acquitted or pardoned.” Wikipedia
  Damn those pesky facts.
  
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- jeanr
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:36pm
  I have no idea how you think you proved me wrong. Are you talking about the militia? Washington had to gather a militia because there were no standing federal Army. The militia, however, was the de facto Army and the whiskey rebellion force was larger than the Revolutionary Army was at most times.
  
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brigott
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 11:41pm
Another revisionist liberal view of history.

Use the same terminology but change the definitions.

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right-wing-waco
Posted on March 1, 2013 at 11:35pm
This is the first time I have heard anything like this. I have great doubts that it is remotely true.

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- 82dAirborne
  Posted on March 1, 2013 at 11:42pm
  Please refrain from using logic, history and/or critical thinking in this discussion. Of course facts are banned from the debate with any Progressive……….
  
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- CaptRory
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:21am
  @82dAirborne
  
  Facts are Racist. This announcement brought to you by the Ministry of Truth.
  
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- 82dAirborne
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:44am
  @CAPT – You got me there. White flag!
  
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- Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 1:02am
  82nd:
  How have you been, long time, no talk. Hows the health?
  
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- 82dAirborne
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 1:22am
  I’m okay. You? I still lurk quite a bit around here but the trolls are too thick most days! Enjoy your sense of humor/honesty/sarcasm! Keep up the good work………
  
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- Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 1:30am
  82nd:
  God Bless you and your family. You are one of the originals and most patriot people on this site. I love having you around here.
  
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- CaptRory
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 3:03am
  @82dAirborne
  
  What’s Dido have to do with anything? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pwT2wiZsg0 Hehehehe~
  
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