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‘Coming After the Standard Shotgun’: Colo. Gun Bill the ‘Most Extreme’ Proposed Firearms Law

Mar. 2, 2013 11:30am Madeleine Morgenstern

Image source: KCNC-TV

A bill making its way through the Colorado state Capitol could outlaw the best-selling hunting shotgun in the state.

“They’re coming after the standard shotgun,” Republican state Sen. Greg Brophy told KCNC-TV.

The bill, aimed at banning high-capacity ammunition, has already passed the House and has support from Democratic Gov. John Hickenlooper. If it’s signed into law, it will also seriously limit shotguns used by most hunters in the state, according to the station.

“Hundreds of thousands of pheasant hunters are probably going to be carrying around a gun they won’t be able to replace after July 1 this year,” Brophy told KCNC.

In a state that’s seen two of the worst mass shootings in U.S. history — Aurora and Columbine — Brophy said there’s a section of the bill that defines a high-capacity magazine as one that can hold or be converted to hold more than 15 rounds or eight shotgun shells.

“This is where shotgun shells go inside this tube here,” Brophy demonstrated. “You can screw this part off the top and screw on an extender to this tube to allow it to hold more than eight rounds. It is readily convertible, which by definition in the bill, makes the whole thing a high-capacity magazine…we just might not be able to legally purchase a pump shotgun or a semi-automatic shotgun.”

Colorado has several gun bills pending in the state. According to the Denver Post, Vice President Joe Biden called some Democratic lawmakers in the midst of the debate last month and said it would “send a strong message to the rest of the country that a Western state had passed gun-control bills.”

“The law is specific as of July 1. You can keep it, but only if you maintain continuous possession of it,” Brophy told KCNC. “If it breaks, you can’t give to a gunsmith even to fix it. You can’t hand it to your son to use. It’s all now outlawed because of this 1224, the bill that Governor Hickenlooper says he’s going to sign…this is most extreme thing anybody’s ever done related to firearms.”

Democratic lawmakers told the station they are currently working on an amendment to address the issue, to be presented in a committee hearing Monday.

(h/t Drudge Report)

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eagledown
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:37pm
You’ve seen the Graphic.

People who supports the 2A. Pictures of:
Washington, Jefferson, Hamilton and Madison.

then below those.

People who are against the 2A. Pictures of:

Mao, Stalin, Lenin and Hitler (note: 120 million people were murdered by them ).

Please edit this list, now should read:

Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, **Obama, **Democrats. (responsible for 120 mil.deaths **to be determined).

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- showmerancher
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:55pm
  Yes. I understand those are the four whose faces will soon be carved into the mountains overlooking Colorado Springs, to be known as Mt. Takemore.
  
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- rvsample
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 1:34pm
  Nazi Weapons Act of 1938
  Classified guns for sporting purposes.
  All citizens who wished to purchase firearms had to register with the Nazi officials and have a background check.
  Presumed German citizens were hostile and thereby exempted Nazis from the gun control law.
  Gave Nazis unrestricted power to decide what kinds of firearms could, or could not be owned by private citizens.
  The types of ammunition that was legal was subject to control by bureaucrats.
  Juveniles under 18 years could not buy firearms and ammunition.
  
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- eagledown
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 2:10pm
  @RVSAMPLE Yes, history is repeating.
  
  We realize it, but by the time the useful idiot’s on the left realize what they are doing, it’s going to be too late, as they were the architects of the second American Revolution.
  
  We will NOT go quietly into the night. “Rage, rage against the dying of the light’
  
  ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
  
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mrsuperpat
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:28pm
Never fear, El Paso County Sheriff, Colorado Springs will not enforce this crap. These Commie politicians are on the chopping block next election. This infringement will not stand. Nobody will comply and these state reps were fools for trying to slip this crap by. Bloomberg is funding this crap in our state. Their is a concerted effort underway to flip a couple Dems in the state senate to sink this unconstitutional bill. What poetic justice if the bill dies and everyone is on record with their vote, they’ll be falling on the sword for Obama and Bloomberg.

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- fedupv2
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:54pm
  I live in El Paso county and have my concealed carry permit which the govt. is not entitled to. Makita has been a staunch supporter of our rights and I have to give him kudos. Sometimes I wish I knew how to start a recall petition for Hickenlooper. He says all the right things to get elected and then once in tries to ram his agenda through. Gee sounds like a president I know.
  
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- banjarmon
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:56pm
  Remove these politicians for breaking their OATH! They ARE NOT Defending the Constitution.
  
  A copy of a letter sent to bill nelson senator in Florida
  
  Sir
  
  This is a reminder that YOU work for the People of Florida.
  
  We request that you vote NO on any gun control bill NO matter how small. If you vote Yes on any of them it will be an INFRINGEMENT on Our RIGHTS to keep and bare Arms.
  
  Voting Yes on any bill on gun control is a VIOLATION of your Oath of Office, to UP HOLD the Constitution of the United Stated of America.
  
  I and Millions of other Gun Owners in Florida will hold you Responsible!
  
  A Voter
  
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- civilwarcometh
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 2:04pm
  To even introduce a gun law bill is a treasonous act. Anyone who does this should be arrested and charged…
  
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- HumbleMan
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 2:10pm
  @BANJ
  
  No offense brother, I mean no disrespect. But if you’re going to send letters to your representatives, I beg you to get the words right.
  
  We have the right to keep and “bear arms” … that means we have the right to own and to carry/use them.
  
  We also have the right to “bare arms” which is the right to wear short-sleeved shirts in the summer-time.
  
  Lots of folks make this mistake, and the liberal idiots use this to dismiss our arguments. For some time the opposition has controlled the language. We need to use the language as accurately as we shoot.
  
  God bless you my friend.
  
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- ENLIGHTNME
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 2:13pm
  El Paso county here too. I can’t wait for the next elections! These dem lawmakers are a clear threat to our freedoms.
  
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- mercenary4freedom
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 2:40pm
  They may be right about one thing in a sense. You don’t need 30 rounds to kill a deer or 8 shot shells to kill a quail. But the 2d amendment ain’t about shooting at deer or birds is it?
  
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- mercenary4freedom
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 2:51pm
  CIVILWARCOMETH, these dems think they’re slick and can’t be gotten to no matter how much security they have. They couln’t be more wrong.
- Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 2:53pm
  I heard on the radio, 740 AM, a few days ago, there are several recall efforts going on in Colorado, hopefully we can get these twits out of office, and Hickenlooper is next if he signs those bills. Ritter did the same thing, lurched way left and went along with the enviornmentalist, then when he had a 30% approval rating, decided not to run. But that is after he had done his damage to this state. Although my state went ahead and elected another Dem, I just don’t get this state anymore.
  
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- Obama_In_PeePee_By_Zee_ArTeest_Glenn
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 5:32pm
  “‘Coming After the Standard Shotgun’: Colo. Gun Bill the ‘Most Extreme’ Proposed Firearms Law”
  
  Those tyrants should’ve watched WB cartoons when they were children …
  
  ELMER FUDD: “Be vewy, vewy quiet. I’m hunting wabbits. Heh, heh, heh, heh.”
  
  But by the end of the cartoon, it’s …
  
  http://cpocalyk.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/rabbitduck1.jpg
  BUGS BUNNY: “Be vewy, vewy quiet. We’re hunting Elmers.”
  DAFFY DUCK: “Heh, heh, heh, heh.”
  
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- Trigus
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 6:57pm
  I will say it again: Colorado is the new California
  Elected Officals that break their Oath of Office can be charged with Perjury.
  Colorado State Constitution: Article 2. Bill of Rights Section 13. Right to Bear Arms
  The right of no person to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall be called in question; but nothing herein contained shall be construed to justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons.
  
  The distinctions between Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, and Independents are no more. I Am Not A Republican, But An American!
  
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- banjarmon
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 7:42pm
  @HumbleMan
  
  typo…bear Arms. nelosn is so stupid he won’t even notice the the typo…LOL
  
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- turkey13
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 8:11pm
  Governor Hickenpooper just needs to put up those “GUN FREE ” signs in all the hunting areas. Those signs worked in Aurorah didn’t it? Colorado needs to be carefull. We used to spend $15,000 to $20,000 each year to go to California for gold dredging and then they passed bills stopping it. I refuse to spend any money on Amazon, E-bay or any vednders there. I won’t travel there also. We had a company training program to go to out there but luckely there was one in Houston and guess where we went.
  
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- A_CALL_TO_CONSCIENCE
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 10:02pm
  Let them pass laws. Just no one follow them.
  
  Collo. is very confusing. They do right on the drug issue then turn around and act like tyrants on guns.
  
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- IndyGuy
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 10:27pm
  Ahem….Could I bother you to pass the tar and feathers???
  
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- oneshiner
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 11:36pm
  All those liberals went to Colorado and Californicated it. I used to love that state, but it’s changed.
  Just wait until all the out of state hunters quit going there to hunt. Colorado depends on all the money that comes from out of state that buy hunting license and lots of equipment and food for a good
  hunt.
  Hold on, I can hear them crying now. “I want my money” please come, use scissors or a pen, ok?
  
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- ChildOfTheKing
  Posted on March 3, 2013 at 1:05am
  Out of my COLD, DEAD, HANDS……………come and try
  
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- Jase
  Posted on March 3, 2013 at 2:23am
  Hickenlooper is Colorado’s Bloomberg. The guy is another wannabe dictator. Unfortunately, the state has made a hard turn to the left, and thanks to all the Denver/Boulder/Fort Collins 20/30-somethings that dominate the culture in those areas it won’t be turning red any time soon.
  
  @oneshiner- No, they’re not all coming from California. I’ve lived in several different counties in Colorado and I would bet money that El Paso county has the highest percentage of Californians. There are a lot of northeasterners/upper midwesterners that have moved to the Denver area (including Hickenlooper).
  
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- Armed Patriot
  Posted on March 3, 2013 at 6:06am
  No, they are not coming for your guns!!! Is it time to repenlish the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots and tyrants??? Only you can say. Molan Labe.
  
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- Armed Patriot
  Posted on March 3, 2013 at 6:17am
  Mil-Dot… I could not agree with you more., BUT, who will fire the first shot? Will the neighbors stand and fight? Who will care for my dog after THEY put me down? I WILL STAND BESIDE YOU. I HAVE YOUR BACK. Who is it here that has mine? Who will take care of my dog?/?
  
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- pitboss711
  Posted on March 3, 2013 at 6:44am
  Infringing on the Constitution is an act of tyranny. Why aren’t the sheriffs arresting these anti-gun morons? Why aren’t the pro-gun lawmakers doing something about it?
  
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- redfish52
  Posted on March 3, 2013 at 8:01am
  Not only will sheriff’s not enforce this idiotic bill…the average gun owner will not comply either…this is just dumb….I think they are doing this so that we will say “not our shotguns” and then in the end they will say…well ok…we will leave shotguns alone but those AR’s have to go…
  
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- merton42
  Posted on March 3, 2013 at 8:20am
  Did you get kicked in the head by a Mule? These Commies are going to be reelected enmasse. This is the price you pay for allowing Californicators to move into your state! Plus the Commies want Civil War!
  
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- woodyee
  Posted on March 3, 2013 at 9:49am
  @BANJARMON –
  
  Amendment 14 of US Constitution, Section 3
  
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- Dougsopinion
  Posted on March 3, 2013 at 10:34am
  NO! That what we are going to start telling our fearless leaders. We will not conform. Write your congressman today and warn them of what’s going to come if they continue down this path. They need to take us seriously. They are going to have a big problem on their hands.
  
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- Trigus
  Posted on March 3, 2013 at 10:36am
  I will say this again: no one to blame but the people of Colorado – Yes, you keep electing and reelecting the same idiots over and over again. Colorado is no better then California.
  
  I would like to see Americans boycott these Anti-American States that willfully Infringe on the Rights of Americans. Stop going on vacation, holding conventions, doing business, buying goods. Pro-American States that do not willfully Infringe on the Rights of Americans should seek legislation in their State to impose a Tariff on any and all goods from Anti-American States that willfully Infringe on the Rights of Americans.
  
  When, Hotels are vacant, shops close up, unemployment is at its highest, produce is rotting in crates, milk goes sour, meat goes rancid then maybe there will be change in these Anti-American States.
  
  I canceled Satellite because the company has corporate offices in California, Colorado, and New York. 90 million plus Firearms owners – the Largest Standing Army in the World – What economic ripple effect around the World would be heard if as a United Group – 90 million plus Firearms owners started boycotting. United WE Stand, and Divided WE FAIL.
  
  The American Patriot Spring is upon us. What will you do?
  
  The distinctions between Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, and Independents are no more. I Am Not A Republican, But An American!
  
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- PA PATRIOT
  Posted on March 3, 2013 at 11:10am
  “Dis is da nu Kaliforneea.”
  Ahhhhhhhhnlold
  
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- Marine 1
  Posted on March 3, 2013 at 11:55am
  The bill is unconstitutional regardless of what lawmakers say. All you folks in Colorado have to do is get your Sheriffs to tell the legislative body that they will not comply to the “law.” The libs are after your guns and if you don’t stop them they will take them away on classification of gun at a time. Put your emphasis on the pro-gun legislators and the sheriffs. You’ll win in the end.
  
  Next…Vote all those sorry libs out of Colorado leadership positions and get your state back in the hands of people with an America First mindset and that are Constitution-loving folks.
  
  Hang in there…You will prevail.
  
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- Tonto USA
  Posted on March 3, 2013 at 12:46pm
  If the law gets on the books it will be used…take that to the bank. Ya’ll need to get it together or get out of Colorado and let the ******** sink the state into poverty like everywhere else they control. That’s where the overtaxed liberals from Kalifornicatia moved ain’t it? Tsk, tsk.
  
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- Secret Squirrel
  Posted on March 3, 2013 at 2:43pm
  You people of Colorado have no one but yourself to blame.
  You welcomed the carpetbaggers from California and the gangs from L.A.
  into Denver. You felt sorry for the illegals and hired them and housed them.
  Now you wonder why they elected a nanny state?
  I wanted to retire in Colorado, but the taxes have gone up and the politicians have gone down.
  
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- Armyvet706
  Posted on March 3, 2013 at 3:16pm
  These effing liberals don’t give up, do they?? Mental illness is pervasive in the demoncrap liberal mind.
  
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- sickof idiots
  Posted on March 3, 2013 at 4:01pm
  This what happens when you put a democrat liberal in office. Colorado did this to themselves!
  
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- euzkadiCO
  Posted on March 3, 2013 at 4:02pm
  Sheriff Maketa is the best.
  
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- Wolfgang the Gray
  Posted on March 3, 2013 at 11:39pm
  I had to move from Colorado 5-years ago due to work. I grew up in Colorado, went to school there, & no place in the world felt more like home than Colorado. However, if the people of my home state have become leftist,, progressive, anti-gun nuts, then my heart dies a bit more today and my hopes of ever returning there will be cast away. If this insanity passes into Colorado law, then Colorful Colorado turns into another California, Illinois, & New York. Three states i never want to return to.
  
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- Colorado7972
  Posted on March 4, 2013 at 2:24am
  I too live in Colorado Springs, ans like the millions of us Colorado pro-gun, not including military and law enforcement, will not comply. So glad Sheriff Maketa of our city 100% behind us constitutional, law abiding gun owners.
  
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COFemale
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:27pm
That’s it. I’m contacting my local Tea Party or any other group who is now proposing recall for Governor Hickenlooper and any other Democrat proposing this nonsense. He was a basket case in Colorado Springs when Mountain Shadows burnt down.

Time for them to go all your Communist Democrats who are tainting my state. Your days in office are numbered.

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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 7:19pm
  Ha ha ha…..another fool that thinks that there is a peaceful process to take care of this. More “voting” huh?. More lying, cheating and stealing and that will make it all better. Pfffffftttttttt…………………
  
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- Chancellor
  Posted on March 3, 2013 at 12:31am
  MIL-DOT is right you will never win a vote against them when they control the ballot boxes. You will end up with 200 year old dead people voting and 2 million illegals told to vote and what to vote for!
  
  The only way this is going to get stipped across the country is with action. No one paid any attention when I said New York was just the test…….Watch how fast this spreads! It will also speed up the government removing the 2nd amendment!
  
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- Jase
  Posted on March 3, 2013 at 2:29am
  These people may be right but don’t let that discourage you, cofemale. At the very least, if Hickenloser sees a petion to recall him, he will think twice before acting like a dictator.
  
  I can’t stand these northeastern democrats that move west and try transform it into the cesspool that they moved away from. They did it in California, now it’s happening in Colorado.
  
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- Embermage
  Posted on March 3, 2013 at 9:52am
  We are a western state, round em up, swing em high. Few of the others should be tarred and feathered, old school style.
  
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- Armyvet706
  Posted on March 3, 2013 at 5:45pm
  Dr. Mr. President (not for long),
  As an ex-military veteran, you have forced me and other patriots like me to renew our oath and the promise we made to defend our country from enemies like you. Therefore, we are now fully armed, locked and loaded, our ammo stockpiled. We are ready to kick some liberal ass. When the **** hits the fan, you and the rats that surround you will head underground. That dirt coffin will be home for you for the rest of your miserable life (or at least until we find you), sealing not only your fate, but your family’s as well. Thanks to you, they will NEVER see the light of day again. No more green trees, blue skies, oceans or mountains. Then again, you’d throw your own mother under the bus, to save your own ass. There won’t not be an America for you to return to. The freedoms you tried to steal from us that you once enjoyed will be forfeited. You should pray for an impeachment. It will pale in comparison to the HELL you will endure. We WILL take back our country-one liberal at a time. One thing is for damn sure – we are going to give it one HELL of a try. So bring your U.N. Bring your VIPER death squads! Once your S.S. realizes they are out-numbered, they will abandon you. So, PLEASE, bring it on.
- 2ndOpinion
  Posted on March 4, 2013 at 1:30am
  http://www.rmgo.org
  
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- katzkiner
  Posted on March 4, 2013 at 2:51am
  Be ready to raise he// as soon as the weather warms a little .On the other hand we could always lite some trash cans. BTW The founders included the second admendment so we could shoot tyrants who try to disarm us. Are we clear? 240000 DHS 80 million angry gun owners. DHS will not be paying much retirement. You better learn to make nice, quick.
  
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skippy6
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:25pm
It states clearly in the 2nd amendment!!! I don’t give a F@#k what laws they pass!!!! The constitution states that I have the right to keep and bear arms.. That means I will not comply at any fraud government level!!!! Once again they can go F@#k themselves!!!!

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- stopprintn
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:39pm
  Yep, I would call this some(red line law here) BS.
  
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- dwf1
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:52pm
  With all due respect SKIPPY6, the US Constitution does not give you a right to one a gun but does prevent the US Government from “infringing” on you right to own one. However your State may be able to pass a law preventing you from owning a gun. I strongly urge everyone to make sure your state government respects the majority of their citizens. So many people don’t understand the US Constitution and have allowed it’s abuse.
  
  BTW – I am a gun supporter and live in a state that respects my right to protect myself.
  
  2nd Amendment:
  “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” It was adopted on December 15, 1791, along with the rest of the Bill of Rights.
  
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- skippy6
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 1:40pm
  @DWF1 Keep and bear is ownership….
  
  “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”
  
  Keep:…. to have in control to retain in one’s possession….
  
  bear arms: n…. to carry or possess arms
  
  Yes it does give you that right!!! Not from the idiots in DC but from God….So I still stand strong by my post thank you….
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 1:42pm
  DWF1….
  
  That’s not true. By your logic, States can make it illegal for women to vote or excuse their constituents from paying Federal income tax.
  The States can only legislate powers not enumerated by the Constitution. Clearly, gun ownership is enumerated by the Constitution.
  
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- beeboop
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 1:48pm
  I have a feeling the reason for the 2nd amendment is coming to a head soon at this rate.
  
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- skippy6
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 1:52pm
  Thanks East…..
  
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- civilwarcometh
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 2:07pm
  DWF1: It’s people like you that have screwed this country up. Please sit down and shut the heck up…
  
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- HumbleMan
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 2:21pm
  Only this far, I agree with DFW1 “that the US Constitution does not give you a right …”.
  
  The 2nd Amendment protects an unalienable right, given to us by our creator. Our Constitution does not “give” rights; it recognizes and protects them.
  
  In this same spirit, I don’t think any of the founding fathers though this right could be infringed by the States. If they meant this to be a question of another authority (like the States) they would not have been so explicit to sat that it “shall not be infringed”. That sentence is UNCONDITIONAL.
  
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- skippy6
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 2:24pm
  Just a note..
  
  Atheists libertarians can replace the word God with self regulation.Or as George Carlin would say the big electron……
  
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- dwf1
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 4:45pm
  Read the US Constitution, Bill of Rights, and study the Founding Fathers. The 2nd Amendment gives the States the right to make law regarding guns not the federal government. It has nothing to do with your God given rights or your rights to owning a gun, PERIOD. The only way to change it would be an Amendment. The first 10 Amendments limit the US Government not empower it! Did you ever hear the term “limited government”? But what does it matter BO and his predecessors have been violating the Constitution for decades. God help us for they know not what they do.
  
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- UnreconstructedLibertarian
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 4:50pm
  DFW1 is correct.
  
  I have little pity on you fools who think the Constitution protects your right to bear arms. It actually impedes the central government form passing ANY laws that “infringe” upon that right – meaning that you should be petitioning the central government for the right to have a damnned cannon or .50 cal BMG if you wanted.
  
  However, the States DO retain the right to “inffringe” upon your right to bear arms. Its nothing short of rediculous laziness, apathy, and stupidity that you’ve let your home states do so. Have you not considered how easy it would be to get active closer to home? Well, your adversaries sure have – that much is for certian.
  
  Quit pointing to the Constitution to guard your right to bear arms – it was only meant to keep the Federals from passing anything that would disarm you. Your “rights” closer to home are just that – within your sphere of influence to protect for yourself.
  
  How in the hell do you actually expect to have your rights protected by a bunch of disconnected, disassociated miscreants in Washington DC? Get off your asses and see to your “inalienable rights” protection where you live. Evidently Colorado residents have much to do, so – GET TO IT COLORADOANS!
  
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- dwf1
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 4:59pm
  “Clearly, gun ownership is enumerated by the Constitution.”
  EAST, exactly where does the Constitution state that? The written word is “infringed”.
  
  “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”
  
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- skippy6
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 5:54pm
  @ DWF1 & Humble I respect your opinions but Facts speak for themselves…
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3IhaC3ZxNE
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 6:36pm
  DWF1…..
  
  I wasn’t QUOTING the Constitution… I was EXPLAINING it. “Enumerated” simply means “mentioned”.
  The truth is that YOU don’t know what the Constitution means on this issue.. because NOBODY does.
  United States v. Emerson, Silveira v. Lockyer, United States v. Miller, D.C. v. Heller, McDonald v. Chicago…. the Supreme Court has been bouncing around on this issue forever.
  
  In McDonald v. Chicago The Court held that the right of an individual to “keep and bear arms” protected by the Second Amendment is incorporated by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and applies to the states. On June 28, 2010, the Supreme Court, in a 5–4 decision, held that the Second Amendment was incorporated under the Fourteenth Amendment thus protecting those rights from infringement by local governments.
  Since then, many States have enacted bans that have yet to be challenged… simply by “declaring” their bans Constitutional… despite the previous Court rulings.
  Essentially, and unfortunately, more lawsuits are needed in order to determine whether any other existing gun regulations might also be unconstitutional and, incidentally, whose interpretation (Yours or Mine)- passes muster.
  Even then- it won’t be absolute. It will be LAW… but it won’t change the words of the Constitution… or how individuals such as you or me INTERPRET those words.
  
  Tomato, tomato. If we were founders we’d know for sure- but we’re not.
  
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- TheTrollman
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 6:44pm
  DWF1 is correct. The 2nd amendment doesn’t grant us any rights. The purpose of the Bill of Rights is to protect our natural rights from those who would use the government to take them away from us. He is wrong about the states having authority to take these rights away. The 14th amendment ensures that the protections in the Bill of Rights are enforced on the states.
  
  “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
  
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- Donkey13
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 7:04pm
  I think DWF1 is sorely mistaken on what rights the states have and don’t have. You shouldn’t have stopped reading at the second amendment. If a state is allowed to ban the ownership of guns, then why did the Supreme Court rule that no government has the authority to ban guns altogether. My two pretty recent examples are Washington DC and Chicago. If it was legal for the state and even the federal government to ban guns, then neither of their handgun bans would have been struck down. There’s also more to the Constitution than the Bill of Rights. You should try reading that too.
  
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- HumbleMan
  Posted on March 3, 2013 at 5:16am
  @DFW and others. It seems clear to me that if the intent of 2A were to simply constrain federal law, it would have used the well-known phrase “congress shall pass no law”. The Heller ruling supports my opinion.
  
  All of this discussion is moot, since our “elected” government doesn’t care.
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on March 3, 2013 at 8:10am
  DWF-
  The constitution doesn’t give the right, God does. It is a natural right. It is spelled out in the bill of rights to ensure the government understands it has no right to mess with it, this includes the state governments.
  
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- UnreconstructedLibertarian
  Posted on March 3, 2013 at 8:45am
  Its interesting to see so many falling for the “Incorporation” doctrine of the 14th Amendment. The raving progressive Liberals are sooooo proud of you.
  
  I’ve long said that the Heller and McDonald cases were the actual first step to disarmament. Those cases are the first precedent of 14th Amendment “incorporation” of gun rights. If those of us claiming “states rights” on the issue are wrong about the longest and most established precedents regarding the 2nd Amendment, then why the myriad of gun-related laws all over the country? Is it just co-incidence that the 2nd Amendment has just recently been “incorporated” into the supremecy of the Federal Government? Wake up folks.
  
  The unspoken truth about “Incorporation”, as has been the example of every other BoR amendment usurped by Washington, is that Washington does whatever they want once “supremecy” is achieved. The 4th Amendment’s complete destruction has been achieved in just the last week. Once the 2nd Amendment is firmly established as a Federal Supremecy: 1.) first in the minds of the electorate – which has been achieved. 2.) second by re-interpreting the language/laws to exert their supremecy, then they’ll simply do away with it.
  
  They will do whatever they want, no matter the language of the Amendment – because you’re local powers will be gone. You Federalist “Incorporators” are just as big a problem to Constitutionality as the Progressives.
  
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niterider
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:23pm
Seriously people: THEY want ALL guns banned. Period. End of discussion. Second Amendment purged from the Bill of RIghts. Done. Check mate. Now I return you to inane broadcasting which is already in progress. While the rest of us ( Threepers) continue reloading ammo and ………

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Ohio50patriot
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:19pm
Legalize marijuana and take away their guns what the hell is going on. This states government along with many others is out of control. Stop standing around and take action. The government works for us they are our servants they are hired by us and we control them not the other way around. Most politicians have forgotten this. They abuse our money that we fund our government with, to go on lavish vacations, to support stupid projects, and give to their friends. It is time to stop this runaway government. It is time for us to step up and be the boss we are supposed to be. It is time we band together to protect our way of life. They are our employees they are not our leaders, rulers, king, or anything else that would put them above us. It is time we as a group write letters to our elected officials and remind them of this. we need to make phone calls to them to remind them of this. We need to visit their offices and remind them of this. We need to go to their public events and remind them of this. The government can only be as powerful as we let them be. Now is the time for action. We run them, they represent us and our wishes. We have rights and they are powerless to take them away from us. If we do not stop this and stop it soon we are finished as a free nation. Take a look around, they are telling us what we can eat how much of a soft drink we can drink, what we can and cannot have in our houses. Now is the time for action, if not we only have ourselves to blame.

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- Code7
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 1:34pm
  With the pot issue they did it the right way they had the people vote on it. With all this gun crap they are going around the people.
  
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- Armyvet706
  Posted on March 3, 2013 at 6:52pm
  Although I agree with most of your argument, I have to say that voting, phone calls and writing letters just don’t work. I don’t think they ever did. It is evidenced by their total disregard and lack of respect of our constitution and our rights. The ONLY thing that is left is a civil war, for some insane reason they seem to support. THAT, is our reality. We better get used to it.
  
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- katzkiner
  Posted on March 4, 2013 at 3:14am
  They have the media sewn up, they have the voting machines, they have the company in Spain that counts the votes. Stop the communists this year or hang your head in shame the rest of your life, which will probably not be long. These are some nasty ombres guys.
  
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avguy69
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:17pm
The trouble with our government starts with the word “Democratic” !

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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:25pm
  This won’t stop until it becomes too dangerous to be liberal. Liberals are a direct threat to freedom and present a clear and present danger.
  
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- 13th Imam
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:44pm
  DEMOCRAT not Democratic
  
  DEMOCRAT
  
  DEMOCRAT
  
  There is NOTHING Democratic about the DEMOCRAT Party
  
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- dnewton
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 5:31pm
  You are right because democratic can be interchangeable with the phrase “mob rule.” Nearly every evil act committed by Hitler was legal. Rights have to exist to protect the minority against the majority or the perceived majority. The smallest minority right now is probably the concealed carry folks.
  
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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 7:40pm
  Al,
  You got it. Until they fear for their very lives and that of their family members, they will continue to laugh in our faces. They and their supporters and protectors must be given absolutely zero quarter.
barber2
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:17pm
The Democrats in Colorado : pot and same sex marriage are in , but guns / second amendment are out ?! More of that ” change ” thing brought to you by the Chicago radicals ? I really think the Democrats are trying to incite civil unrest .

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- Jase
  Posted on March 3, 2013 at 2:42am
  I’ve been thinking the same thing. If they can pass these radical laws in a gun-friendly state like Colorado without any fight from the people, they can pass them on a national level.
  
  March on the Colorado State Capitol, anyone?
  
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KMHArms.com
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:17pm
We like MagPul will help any legal citizen before the insane Colorado bill is passed, check us out today for Ammo and Firearms. We are here to serve at http://www.KMHArms.com

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00100111
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:17pm
Hey! That’s none other than Hickock45! Looks like someone at Blaze just got a stock photo of someone with a shotgun. H45 lives in TN, not CO, does reviews and demos of many, many firearms on his channel, and he’s a heckuva shot.

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- luxlife
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:54pm
  Hickock45 is great – love his channel!
  
  Pete at Armory Channel is my all-time fav though.
  
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83plus
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:14pm
If they get their way enough, before you know they’ll have us down to just revolvers, lever and bolt action rifles and break action shot guns like the old west days (not sure if they had bolt action rifles then). And after that it will be ball and powder firearms, then maybe nothing.

‘for the good of the people’ What tyrant or dictator HASN’T said that before banning the civilian ownership of firearms.

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- 00100111
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:17pm
  I’ve noticed that. It’s funny how progs always complain conservatives “want to take us back to the 1800s” when that is exactly what they’re doing.
  
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- My Two Cents
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 5:02pm
  That is why Joe Biden is going around telling people to use double barrelled shotguns for personal defense. They want the low infos to get used to the idea of not being able to own a semi-auto. Everything they say, no matter how stupid it sounds, is by design.
  
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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 7:43pm
  Two Cents,
  You are correct. It all simply a large-scale brainwashing operation. They have secret Psy-Ops units in DC that think this crap up 24/7.
  
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John.Galt
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:09pm
Molon Labe. And good luck to whoever tries!

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- redfish52
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:15pm
  Just crossed Colorado off my retirement list….dang it….and I like John Denver..
  
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- The_Hut_In_Co
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 6:36pm
  Hey Redfish
  Just an FYI John Denver is dead!
  He got real high, then got real low real fast.
  Result=DOA.
  
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Barry_McCockenya
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:06pm
Fine. If Colorado wants to wreck Colorado, let them. Just don’t move next door to Wyomng and wreck wreck them, too.

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- Konundrum
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:10pm
  You know they will.
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:28pm
  liberals are a plague.
  
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- JethroUSMC
  Posted on March 3, 2013 at 6:59am
  Barry…Love the name…lol
  
  Based on physical geography Colorado is already physically “next door” to Wyoming on the southern border. And it’s already begun in your state. One recent example is the Unitarian whatever church “reverend” story who was told by one of your good reps, “By all means leave.” You should do some investigating into what that church believes and promotes.
  
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high school drop out
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:02pm
WOW! These guys are like a bunch of INSANE beavers ..They just keep gnawing away at our rights! Take heart People..This “Gun” thing has always historically been a “Loser” for the Dems. If they keep on this path 2014 and 2016 are looking better and better

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- theBru
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:12pm
  you have a short memory, with all the voter fraud that is now prevalent across the country, it doesn’t look good for any conservative candidate in the near future…we can only hope & pray for GIANT sinkholes to form below all of the major urban areas and all of the libs just disappear…
  
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- RAGEAGAINSTTHEMACHINE
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:20pm
  Agreed! Diane Fienstien is largely attributed to the Dems loosing control of Congress under Clinton in ’94 because of her AWB & I’ve even heard them say that ban was also the reason Gore LOST in 2000! Keep it up Sissies!
  
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- dnewton
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 5:40pm
  I wonder what is going on in Illinois with respect to their concealed carry law? It seems like it has been 180 days since the courts told them to re-write and replace their gun law because they were too restrictive.
  
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spfoam1
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:01pm
You get what you vote for. This insanity is what happens when liberal cadidates get every liberal vote (and then some), and conservative voters pout in the corner instead of voting because their candidate isn’t perfect. If you want these democrat power freaks running your lives just keep doing the same thing every election.

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RAGEAGAINSTTHEMACHINE
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 11:58am
The Conservatives, GOP, and the NRA for that matter, better learn to play this game with a quickness or they’re gonna keep handing down edicts until we’re all obsolete!
READ OVERTON WINDOW

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- high school drop out
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:14pm
  @Rage There is one facet of the game being played quite well by us,,The “give them enough rope to hang themselves” Strategy!.. SImply put,These guys are wayyyyyy too stupid to survive!..The bubble they,ve been comfortably languishing in is starting to deteriorate from their own venom! So, just remember the time line ..The Senate in 2014…The White House in 2016 ..Prison for Obama 2017
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:31pm
  No, it is time to stop playing games. It is time to burry the hatchet, deep into the numbskull zombie demoncrats.
  
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FlagWavingPatriot
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 11:56am
Anti-gun nuts come in in all flavors. Some are malicious (they want guns gone because they want a compliant citizenry); some are just ignorant (they have no data or frame of reference on the issue); some are overly emotional (they lack perspective); some can’t afford guns so they think nobody else should have them either; and some just go along with the “leaders” they follow. Some are a combination of any and all.

Regardless of why these nuts want to take away our rights, it is your duty–your responsibility–to get off your **** and write, call, fax and smoke signal your elected officials (state, local and federal). Write op-eds. Put together a local rally. Educate people you know. Donate money. Join the NRA. Join GOA. Get a CHL. Join SAF. Slap a bumper sticker on your car. Put flyers up informational flyers at the supermarket. Offer to take that wishy washy liberal in your life to the range. Take a kid to the range. Don’t patronize gun-free zones (and let them know you didn’t!). Make your own PowerPoint and post it on YouTube. Do anything you can to fight this nonsense. If the good people of this country don’t get motivated to do something, these America-hating “progressives” are just going to continue to steam-roll our lives and rights. Do *whatever* you can to make your voice heard and increase the footprint of law-abiding gun owners.

These idiots are charging hard at us and will take every inch they can get. Don’t let them! Too much is

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- Eastinfection
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:22pm
  FLAGWAVINGPATRIOT….
  
  “…some are just ignorant (they have no data or frame of reference on the issue)”
  
  ding ding ding!
  
  I know more of these than the others you mention.
  One of my “Low Information” acquaintances recently told me the Founding Fathers only intended for us to have “muskets”.
  When i tried to explain it to her.. i mentioned the word “tyranny”, and she asked me, with a straight face, what “tyranny” meant.
  This is a college graduate, mother of two, and a regular voter.
  
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RodT82721
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 11:51am
Colorado is a living example of what liberals do when they flee their own soild nests, and start over in a more comfortable location, free of all the rules and regulations, they voted for in the old home.

Texas better take a long look at how the progressives have infested CO and are no in the process of turning it into another California.

This is what progressives / liberals do, and the sad part is then don’t even know it until they are forced once again to flee their own mess.

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- Live_Free_orDie
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:03pm
  Ditto…the Kaliloons screwed up CA…are screwing Colorado…and they’ll do the same in Texas! It’s happening in Austin already!
  
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- Barry_McCockenya
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:03pm
  I agree. I’ve always compared liberals to the alien ship from the movie “Independence Day”. Just going from place to place sucking up the resources until there is nothing left.
  
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- The_Fifth_Column
  Posted on March 3, 2013 at 11:02am
  You are right on the spot. In the 70′s they flooded into Colorado from Soviet California. They always bring with them, what they were trying to escape. Stay out of this State. Don’t Fish and Hunt there. The only thing these Liberals understand is Money. Don’t give it to them in the way of your fishing and hunting. There are others States……Go there this year.
  
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scrapadapolis
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 11:50am
Why would these people pass laws that might get them voted out or killed in a civil uprising?

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- guns-an-bibles
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:01pm
  We need to start putting people in office that will pass laws against usurping the Constitution… Oh, wait! We already have that! … the Constitution!
  
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- Harvey
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:27pm
  These communist are so determined to take all of our guns they think, so they can control us easier.I got news for them,the American people will never allow these fools to control us. There is a lot of ways to stop them,guns are not the only thing we have.,We are Americans,we are not stupid people ,we will not serve these idiots and thats what they want.They think they are so superior to us and thats what will defeat them.
  
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krazysworld
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 11:43am
Laws shouldn’t be able to pass if the people aren’t behind it. Colorado folks should call the Governor’s office and tell him that he’s out on his a$$ if he signs this and you’ll vote someone in who’ll repeal it–the people have the power, at least for now, but are too afraid to use it! WAKE UP!

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- Live_Free_orDie
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 11:53am
  Amazing how these D@U{#ebags impose their will on us…instead of representing us. We need to correct that!
  
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ginger100
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 11:42am
with sneeky undermining our American rights democrats in office, who’d of thunk it.

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Thighmaster
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 11:42am
Does anybody else see where this is all headed yet ?
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- gyro
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:01pm
  no butter knives?
  
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- RLTW
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 12:29pm
  Nudge, nudge, push, and push. Nationally the progressives are working in concert to disarm law abiding citizens while ignoring the urban and inner city criminal element. Gun owners are successfully being painted as backwards and being pushed into a corner for the purpose of creating a gun standoff or a manufactured flag event that will only harm the people and empower tyranny.
  
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- barber2
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 1:06pm
  It’s the old camel’s nose under the tent analogy…
  
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- Outlaw_Josey_Wales
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 2:10pm
  Does anybody else see where this is all headed yet ?
  —————————————————————————-
  1. Government takes all the gun.
  2. Government takes all our retirement accounts.
  3. Government takes our saving accounts.
  4. Government takes over all factories.
  5. Government seizes all property including houses.
  6. Government take away remaining freedoms.
  7. Government declare socialism is the new government.
  8. Government owns of everything.
  9. Government will tell you where you work and live.
  10. Government declares everyone is paid to same wage.
  11. Complain about socialism, spend 10 years in labor camp.
  
  This is what the Democrats want, make everyone equal, they think it will get rid of the ghetto’s in the big cities. Of course the Democrats want complete power to rule with a iron fist. Wake up America, this is what’s coming, stop it before its to late.
- HumbleMan
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 2:24pm
  @OUTLAW…
  
  What freedoms are left?
  
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kentuckypatriot
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 11:39am
OMG, this is getting WAYYYYYYYY out of hand,. WTF?

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- Armyvet706
  Posted on March 3, 2013 at 3:29pm
  I’m sick and tired of being worried about the **** they do. If they want a damn war, BRING IT ON, MOTHERF’ERS!
  
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FLYOVERSTATEIOWA
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 11:38am
Really, are any of you surprised? If you are, where has your head been….or need I ask?

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Fubared
Posted on March 2, 2013 at 11:36am
With all of the fear buying going on, shotguns have been overlooked by most, and there is no tool quite as versatile. There are still decent used shotguns at most good sized stores that are very serviceable and they always work in a pinch. If you can, add another shotgun to the mix. Or buy a beater, remove the pin, and give it to a lib.

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- firman
  Posted on March 2, 2013 at 7:47pm
  You are right. shotgun is a great home protection tool. 300 bucks for a remington 870. Nothin deadlier at close range. As for the libs, the only thing I give them is the finger.
  
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