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Revealed: Drones Equipped With Spy Tech Detailed Enough to See If You’re Armed

Mar. 6, 2013 9:28am Liz Klimas

Shortly before news of Attorney General Eric Holder’s letter revealing that the president could authorize drone strikes in the United States, unearthed documents from the Department of Homeland Security show how unmanned aerial vehicles once reserved for warfare have been equipped with technology to provide detailed surveillance over U.S. soil. Some are expressing concern about the potential for abuse of laws protecting citizens’ privacy.

Just how well-equipped are they? According to a redacted document obtained by the Electronic Privacy Information Center and a non-redacted version of the same document posted by CNET‘s Declan McCullagh, some Predator B drones operated by the U.S. Bureau of Customs and Border Protection are capable of intercepting electronic communication, identifying a person on the ground and even evaluating if they are armed or not.

DHS Equipped Border Patrol Drones With Ability to Intercept Communication Identify Armed People

A Predator B unmanned aircraft taxis at the Naval Air Station, Tuesday, Nov. 8, 2011, in Corpus Christi, Texas. Using the same technology responsible for lethal strikes elsewhere in the world, U.S. Customs and Border Protection is expanding its use of Predator B unmanned aircraft outfitted with powerful infrared cameras and sensitive radar to patrol U.S. borders. (Photo: AP/Eric Gay)

What’s more, EPIC pointed out that these drones have been made available to other federal, state and local agencies, raising “questions about the agency’s compliance with federal privacy laws and the scope of domestic surveillance.”

The purpose of the CBP’s unmanned aerial vehicle system, according to the non-redacted document, is to “collect and pass information using an airborne sensor platform that will provide CBP and other DHS agents in the field an extended and enhanced situational awareness.”

One of the required capabilities for the drone systems built by General Atomics Aeronautical Systems was to be “capable of identifying a standing human being at night as likely armed or not (based on position of arms) at a slant range of one and a half times the specified Operating Altitude.”

Although this might seem completely reasonable for border patrol purposes, some become concerned as the use of domestic drones is increasing. Earlier this year, a leaked memo from the Department of Justice revealed that the U.S. government was authorized to launch a drone strike against a citizen if they were “a senior operational’ leader of al-Qaeda or ‘an associated force’ regardless of whether that person poses an immediate national security threat,” TheBlaze reported. And last year, legislation was passed that required the Federal Aviation Administration to open the skies to more domestic drone use for both public and private entities by 2015.

CNET has more on the implications some think these drone surveillance capabilities could have:

The prospect of identifying armed Americans concerns Second Amendment advocates, who say that technology billed as securing the United States’ land and maritime borders should not be used domestically. Michael Kostelnik, the Homeland Security official who created the program, told Congress that the drone fleet would be available to “respond to emergency missions across the country,” and a Predator drone was dispatched to the tiny town of Lakota, N.D., to aid local police in a dispute that began with reimbursement for feeding six cows. The defendant, arrested with the help of Predator surveillance, lost a preliminary bid to dismiss the charges.

“I am very concerned that this technology will be used against law-abiding American firearms owners,” says Alan Gottlieb, founder and executive vice president of the Second Amendment Foundation. “This could violate Fourth Amendment rights as well as Second Amendment rights.”

Privacy advocates like EPIC are concerned about the information collecting capabilities of the drones. In fact, on Wednesday EPIC launched a petition that CBP suspend its drone program until privacy regulations were enacted.

“A 2012 Report of the Department of Homeland Security (“DHS”) Inspector General demonstrated that CBP had flown drones for the Department of Defense, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and various local law enforcement agencies, among others. As a result of this practice, anyone in the United States could be subject to surveillance by a CBP-owned drone,” read the letter EPIC drafted for petitioners to send to CBP Deputy Commissioner David Aguilar.

“Recent documents obtained by EPIC from CBP under the Freedom of Information Act establish that the CBP Predator B drones carry payload technology to intercept communications and to identify human targets on the ground,” the petition continued. “Both activities raise substantial questions about compliance with federal privacy laws, including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act of 1986 and the Privacy Act of 1974. DHS has expressed interest in other technologies that would increase drone surveillance capacities, including automated license plate readers and terahertz scanners.”

Read the full petition here.

CNET reported an unnamed DHS official saying that the border patrol UAVs are unarmed and do not have facial recognition capabilities. This is not to say that the ability to identify a person in this manner won’t be there someday. For example, earlier this year, DARPA, the Pentagon’s research arm, was revealed to be developing cameras so sensitive they could tell what a person was wearing from 17,500 feet up.

CNET also reported the DHS official saying that the agency complies with federal laws protecting citizens rights, like the Electronic Communications Privacy Act.

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Comments (72)

geo01
Posted on March 6, 2013 at 10:44am
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THIS IS EASY…….decoys are the answer……THIS IS COMING and we as citizens need to do what
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we can do to mess with their information gathering machines……..
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How about making it LOOK LIKE EVERYONE is carrying a gun……could be an empty BB gun….
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could be a real gun…….for these drones to be effective, they must see “specific” information……
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If everyone carries a toy gun…..then BIG BROTHER IN THE SKY…..CANNOT get specific information.
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You have NOW THWARTED their attempt at trashing your Constitutional rights.
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- theconservativeright
  Posted on March 6, 2013 at 10:51am
  I think if you have everyone carry what looks like a gun, your going to give them a HELL of A LOT of TARGET PRACTICE. Might want to rethink that one.
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on March 6, 2013 at 10:56am
  @ConservativeRight
  
  Pardon me? I open carry daily. Am I a “target” now? Should I start hiding my rights and not expose them to the light of day? Should we all learn to cower and hide in the shadows?
  
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- Evileye
  Posted on March 6, 2013 at 11:43am
  How long before we Impeach this Dictator?
  Everyone should contact there Congress person, and insist Impeachment proceeding begin immediately.
  
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- naughtycal
  Posted on March 6, 2013 at 12:24pm
  GOJ,
  I’ld say do the opposite aquire military attire but under a local militia insignia.
  
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GuruMeditation
Posted on March 6, 2013 at 10:44am
So if everyone is armed or makes it look like they are what good are they?

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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on March 6, 2013 at 10:48am
  Great question. If you can open carry in your state, I strongly suggest you start doing so (talking to everybody, not specifically you you). And encourage others to do so as well. Enough cowboys on the range and it gets hard to pick out one individual cowboy.
  
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- GuruMeditation
  Posted on March 6, 2013 at 3:23pm
  I carry daily, pretty much 24×7, sometimes even while sleeping.
  
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- OngoingFreedom
  Posted on March 6, 2013 at 9:46pm
  Sometimes OC, sometimes CC. Sometimes drive with my AR-15 with mag in.
  
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Walkabout
Posted on March 6, 2013 at 10:41am
I heard they will use the drones for crowd control during the next G20 meeting here in the United States. The federal government does not want the local police to suffer as many casualties so they are calling in the drones!

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theconservativeright
Posted on March 6, 2013 at 10:37am
Welcome to Amerika, dear comrades. Vladamir Obama is watch you. Take care.

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Female
Posted on March 6, 2013 at 10:31am
So, in the evening, I go out on the porch to sweep and get interrupted before starting by a phone call….will the drone know the difference? Or farmers with certain hand tools? Most people point guns downward, unless actively shooting. How are they suppose to be able to tell the difference? Okay, that is long barreled, what about pistols?

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13th Imam
Posted on March 6, 2013 at 10:30am
So I take it that they can see me flipping them the bird? Cool

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XPat
Posted on March 6, 2013 at 10:30am
Let me see: DHS buys 1.6 billion rounds of ammo, 2,700 light armored tanks, and drones targeting America, and a government that has contempt for the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Tell me if I missed anything.

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- 13th Imam
  Posted on March 6, 2013 at 10:41am
  X
  The “Gov”, has ownership of those items. But the actual people that would have to implement them would have to be killing their own Fathers, Mothers, Siblings, Children and friends.. How many of them will. for long , be allowed to slaughter , without being stopped by the soldiers and armed citizens that won’t stand for the bs? Where does our army stand? With the Fed Gov or with the Constitution and their Families?
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on March 6, 2013 at 10:44am
  Nope, actual purchase of weapons of war for here, with no definitive enemy outlined, aside from those crazy taxed enough people and vets.
  
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- theconservativeright
  Posted on March 6, 2013 at 10:44am
  Go back to sleep, dear Comrade. There nothing to see here!
  
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- Former11BRAVO
  Posted on March 6, 2013 at 12:50pm
  @ 13th Imam. Maybe you haven’t heard, but Obummer has started purging the ranks of general officers who won’t swear to fire on American citizens. Don’t believe me? Do some homework and get back to me. And I have it on good authority that the FEMA detention centers are indeed real, too. (Although, shackled railroad cars likely aren’t.) But, we’re seeing drones flying by Harrisburg, PA – using the river as cover and even in the surrounding countryside. And let’s not forget the mysterious Delta-style helicopter raids in major US cities. Harrisburg just had one f those too – the local LEO’s providing traffic control and security while the mock raids are happening . . . And can you believe it? It happened right in the Capital Complex!!!!
  
  There’s more too. How about planes and drones outfitted with precise electro-magnetic weapons, which can destroy anything electronic. So . . . you’ve got evidence of government abuses or corruption on your computer or in your camera? Blam! Gone! And who knows hoe powerful they are? They might be able to erase information on discs! So, your life’s work that you’ve diligently backed up can be wiped out in a millisecond! How’s that for an intimidation tool?
  
  Yeah. We’ve GOT to do SOMETHING, people. Soon – maybe even already – it’ll be too late!
  
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- Quest4Freedom
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 1:45am
  Well, I was going to sleep better tonight knowing of Tusunami_22 list of patriot sheriff & police refusing to sign on to bummers gun law, but now… not so sure. Scary times, for sure.
  
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TIMEBOMB
Posted on March 6, 2013 at 10:22am
Dear loyal subjects I want you to know I’ll only use my drones to kill terrorists and my ex boyfriends,just the ones who slapped me around.

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Gargent_Furball
Posted on March 6, 2013 at 10:18am
So now we have the President deciding , using a drone and with his authority and his decision , which bad guy he wants to kill, Whether you are a American citizen or not. On U. S. soil.

Something is wrong here. It sounds like the Hitler thing all over again. Tell me this isn’t so.

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Cavallo
Posted on March 6, 2013 at 10:14am
Does anyone else think that the drone looks a little bit like the Alien from the movie Alien?

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Cavallo
Posted on March 6, 2013 at 10:13am
Welcome to Oceania, Big Brother is watching. Someone tell me again how we have freedom so I can laugh at you.

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Watcher1952
Posted on March 6, 2013 at 10:13am
This is just another step in the total control of Americans….they are taking our weapons…..we are under survilence from wire taps….sky birds etc; If anyone thinks that Eric Holder and Barack Hussein Obama will not kill Americans then they need to wake up….. Fast & Furious is a cover up….. Remember Ruby Ridge….Remember Waco Texas…..now drones that will show if we are armed….if you are then you are a threat…. BOOM LOCK & LOAD and know your neighbors way of thinking cuz they will turn you in

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willingtoupe
Posted on March 6, 2013 at 10:10am
I want those tested out in Mountains, Sticks and other strange rural places. See if they can be put to good use.

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- 13th Imam
  Posted on March 6, 2013 at 10:43am
  Test Plot CHICAGO
  
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BlackCrow
Posted on March 6, 2013 at 10:08am
If they can tell what model of car you are driving from orbit they can tell what newspaper you have from 60 thousand feet.

This said you need to be “on the radar” before there is much of a chance of being singled out. the breakdown comes from the volume of data. These drones are no good at wide area surveillance, they need a more specific target for “real time” surveillance than a satellite. The data from a satellite has a very short shelf life and it all has to be gone over by an interpreter.

Now with a “hiring freeze” in place due to the sequester I take this as a lot of sizzle and no steak. Having the tool is no use without the mechanic.

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- theBru
  Posted on March 6, 2013 at 10:23am
  Uhhh, I don’t think this is on the sequester hit list…SS & public tours of the WH are the cuts bhoLE is planning…spying on Americans is the “IN” thing these days…I think they read the posts on here & facebook to find out the who the “Rebels” are…and then use laser pointers to paint the bull’s eye on their backs…
  
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- Poorfessor
  Posted on March 6, 2013 at 12:34pm
  The drones in use in the Middle East are now storing a Million Terabytes of data a day. That is what they admit to. Data will not be analyzed by humans, but by predictive software. We are very close to SkyNet reality and most try and laugh it off.
  
  Would there have been riots in the streets if GW had done any of these things?
  
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ChiefGeorge
Posted on March 6, 2013 at 10:07am
This not your 1940s Uncle Sam. They are actually not looking out for your interests but are LOOKING out for you and what your doing.

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- CulperGang
  Posted on March 6, 2013 at 10:32am
  why are they even interested at one mainstreet guy going about his business?
  
  can anyone answer that?
  
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- Daddy Hawg
  Posted on March 6, 2013 at 10:47am
  Combine the surveillance with disarmament of the populace and you have a living breathing George Orwell story on your hands. Add into the mix that the administration is actively out to make our lives difficult (sequestration memos) and you can see where “the one” is trying to push the American people. Be safe,be strong and be prepared………
  
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- Stoic one
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 12:29pm
  CULPERGANG’
  
  here is a reading list for you:
  1984, Brave New World, Animal Farm, Fahrenheit 451, the history of the U.S.S.R.
  
  The Declaration of Independence, The Constitution of the United States
  
  after you read these tell me why it matters.
  
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Xiccarph
Posted on March 6, 2013 at 10:02am
Not new news. They have any technology they want, and probably have had this for a decade already, and used it when it suited their purpose. Half the gadgets these guys use won’t hit any civilian market for another 10 years, and only if something better has come along that they can hide from public use. Maybe I’m just a “conspiracy nut”, but I have little doubt these people have technology that could solve the worlds energy issues, enhance lifestyles cheaply, and literally take us to the stars, but its *theirs*, and they can hide it for their own use. Can’t have the civilian world having the same stuff as the government, its bad for their need to control.

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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on March 6, 2013 at 10:19am
  As somebody who was in military intelligence, I have to call bullcrap on your assessment of “their” technology. That’s one of the largest misconceptions people have about our military readiness, as if somehow they have this advanced space alien technology that makes them nigh invulnerable to reality. When I was doing SIGINT I was using the same commercially available HAM equipment (analog to HAM equipment I should say) as any kid sitting in Idaho doing moon bounces. The TCAC I used was still using patch to patch communication with friggin’ *wires* for goodness sake (like you think of with telephone operators from the 1920′s).
  
  Everything “they” have, we have. Further, everything “they” have, we supply to them. The government produces nothing, it buys everything from the private sector, no exceptions. They are not high tech supermen compared to us, we just don’t realize it yet.
  
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justiceday
Posted on March 6, 2013 at 10:01am
We have a military full of guys who don’t know what the constitution is, and the one guy that brought light to the governments illegal activity is in jail. There is a stat where 26% of marines say they would fire on civilians, and 11% wouldn’t answer the question. We also have a military that the DOD has admitted has a huge problem with raping and sexually assaulting it’s own troops not to mention civilians.
So are we surprised about the drones, really.
http://www.theusmarinesrape.com/HideTheTruth.html

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- dosdelgados
  Posted on March 6, 2013 at 10:36am
  Can you provide sources for those statistics? And perhaps the way the question of firing on fellow citizens was worded? Sorry but we are a military family and I’ve yet to meet a service member who is completely ignorant of the Constitution. I’m sure there are folks out there who have different goals for this country, but a blanket statement such as “we have a military full of guys wh don’t understand the constitution” is categorically untrue.
  
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woodyee
Posted on March 6, 2013 at 10:01am
Where’s Billy Hallowell?!?

It is NOT far from reality, to assume that Homeland Security last year identified potential threats to include, but not limited to, Tea Party members, NRA members, returning combat vets, etc.

Drone flies – identifies subject – potential threat – tea party member – armed…

…and couple it with Gaybama’s OTHER directive – can terminate potential threat WITHOUT trial…

and what have you got? We’re talking TYRANNY. I’m over 60, and never thought I’d live to see the day when I’d use that word to describe a US President (even if he is a Lord of the Flies).

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- battles
  Posted on March 6, 2013 at 10:19am
  If they force us strong Americans into civil war, we are able and willing to fight against their tyranny. There are far more of us citizens who are not going to bow the knee to unconstitutional laws and rules than there are of them.
  
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SpankDaMonkey
Posted on March 6, 2013 at 10:01am
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Obama GFYS…..I Will Not Comply…..

Are we headed for a fight in the streets here in the U.S.A.? Or has the Sprit of Freedom been lost to the Free Lunch Slaves?……….

Revolution 2013

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thegreatcarnac
Posted on March 6, 2013 at 9:52am
Our government is arming to fight us. Remember that. We must find ways to counteract their drones and their armoured vehicles…., even if we do not fight them in the near future. The government does not need that kind of military power just to fly over and watch us. They are planning to completely subdue us and it is our job not to let them.

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- Quest4Freedom
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:01am
  “We must find ways to counteract their drones and their armoured vehicles”
  
  I’m listening
  
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momrules
Posted on March 6, 2013 at 9:50am
Some very interesting reading for a Wednesday morning……….

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/53539

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justangry
Posted on March 6, 2013 at 9:43am
So since 9/11 we’ve lost parts of our 1st, attempted to limit our 2nd, completely evaporated our 4th amendment rights, 5th, 6th right gone and 8th gone unless you think GITMO and torture aren’t cruel and inhumane. Meanwhile the DOJ decides that it’s ok to kill Americans with drones, drones will be their spy in the sky. DHS has bought billions of rounds of hollow points/sniper rounds, 2700 armored vehicles. Leaked army manuals on internment and indoctrination are on the web. Our police are becoming an armed like the military with the equipment and tactics they use. It doesn’t take a conspiracy theorist to realize something ain’t right. The simple question I have for you ‘conservatives’ is, why do you support the people giving Obama this power rather than defending his madness?

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- resme
  Posted on March 6, 2013 at 9:59am
  I’d argue the 1st amendment is gone completely. FREE SPEECH ZONES, REALLY??? I mean really….
  
  Here sir step inside this cage and you can then talk.
  
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- naughtycal
  Posted on March 6, 2013 at 10:00am
  Exactly the largest grow enemy of our free society is THE GOVERNMENT. It’s time to cut all funding to all military programs that are being proposed for usage against U.S. CITIZENS. Are real americans suppose to have thier rights violated to spare the rights of islamist terrorist and border jumping drug dealers from being infringed. NO if those elements are the threat then direct policies at those elemnets not all citizens.
  It’s time to have a true tea party in D.C. one in which we throw these progressive neo-communist D and R’s in the Patomac. And flush those turds out of our government. It’s also time to remove all legislation that is in direct violation of our constitutional rights. And return our military back to a U.S. DEFENSE FORCE not a UN OFFENSIVE FORCE.
  
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MCON29
Posted on March 6, 2013 at 9:39am
“Some are expressing concern about the potential for abuse of laws protecting citizens’ privacy”

Its a guaranteed fact that these will be deployed to abuse the rights and privacy of American citizens. The only way it will stop at that point is a lawsuit deeming it unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. They WILL use them up until that point.

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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on March 6, 2013 at 9:35am
They don’t need high tech to know if I’m armed, I open carry and it’s there for the world to see. In fact, I can even provide them further detail with a raised middle finger (which in drone language is a compliment, pass the word, we always want to be polite to our Overlords).

Just think folks, this is all thanks to the Patriot Act. You know, the “act” that a majority of people on both the left and the right cheered after 9/11, calling us few dissenting libertarians warning of this kind of thing unpatriotic and kooks? Strange world isn’t it?

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- justangry
  Posted on March 6, 2013 at 9:47am
  How many times must Libertarians be proven right before they listen? They’re all still scared of the turban wearing boogeyman.
  
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- progressiveslayer
  Posted on March 6, 2013 at 9:49am
  It’s our one party system that’s the culprit here,that and voter apathy have produced the police state we have in new Amerika. 24/7 eye in the sky capable of taking out anyone deemed a ‘terrorist’ by our one party big government communist heathens.
  
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- resme
  Posted on March 6, 2013 at 9:58am
  Truly is. It’s not left vs right anymore << that's the silly game fox, msnbc, and cnn want you to fall into. The media keeps us (majority of Americans) divided and the propagators love it.
  It's us vs them(state).
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on March 6, 2013 at 10:30am
  @Resme, Slayer: Aye, it is a faux paradigm they try to keep us in. And what’s sad is how easily people buy into it. It’s as if humans base their reality around ignorance these days instead of reason.
  
  @Just
  
  I dunno man, I’ve been pointing out things since at least the late 1980′s, the vast majority of them *easily* predictable with a high degree of certainly, the majority of which have come to pass, and yet it’s like people wear blinders. If I point out “Hey, I’ve been right about most everything I’ve predicted since you’ve known me” they go into some kind of memory hole rejection mode, as if they’d never heard a word I’ve said. Actual libertarian intellectuals have a much better track record then I do and they are continually derided and mocked. One has to wonder about humanity some days.
  
  Libertarians seem to be the modern day political equivalent of the ancient Greek story of Cassandra. We keep getting it right, and we keep being relegated to fringe kook status over and over again by the very people who see that we’ve a good track record when it comes to putting 1+1 together to make 2.
  
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- AINT_SKEERT
  Posted on March 6, 2013 at 11:03am
  @Ghost, You hit it spot on there, Cassandra syndrome; being able to see the future, without being able to do anything about it.
  
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- resme
  Posted on March 6, 2013 at 11:30am
  Heh, Science and mysticism has become reason.
  
  Time to quote!
  
  “This ascription of the miraculous to government is reminiscent of James Burnham’s justification of government by mysticism and irrationality:
  
  In ancient times, before the illusions of science had corrupted traditional wisdom, the founders of cities were known to be gods or demigods. . . . Neither the source nor the justification of government can be put in wholly rational terms . . . why should I accept the hereditary or democratic or any other principle of legitimacy? Why should a principle justify the rule of that man over me? . . . I accept the principle, well . . . because I do, because that is the way it is and has been.
  
  James Burnham”
  
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- GuruMeditation
  Posted on March 6, 2013 at 6:19pm
  @resme: Indeed, left v.s.right is a tool and too many fall for the ploy.
  
  Thesis + Anti-Thesis = Synthesis
  
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SamIamTwo
Posted on March 6, 2013 at 9:34am
Don’t drone me bro!!!

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