(UPDATED) Eric Holder’s New Letter to Sen. Rand Paul: Here’s Your Answer
Citing a new letter from Attorney General Eric Holder, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney on Thursday responded to Kentucky Senator Rand Paul’s question regarding the White House and its stance on the use of drones on U.S. citizens.
“Does the president have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on an American soil,” said Carney, reading Holder’s letter. “The answer is no.’”
Here’s Holder’s letter:
However, Carney added that “if the United States were under attack, there were an imminent threat [emphasis added],” then the president would have the authority to order military action to repel said threat.
So, although Holder’s response to Sen. Paul’s is a flat “No,” it sounds like we still haven’t escaped “imminent threat vs. immediate threat” purgatory.
Still, regardless of the letter’s brevity and the fact that Sens. Lindsay Graham and John McCain characterized Sen. Paul’s question as “ridiculous,” the fact that his filibuster pushed the White House into issuing an official response means one thing: The freshman senator gets results.
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UPDATE: Following the release of Holder’s letter, Sen. Paul said that he is satisfied with the White House’s response and that he will end his objection to the nomination of John Brennan as director of the Central Intelligence Agency.
“We’ll hold a vote as soon as people want to,” he said, adding that he was “quite happy with the answer.”
“I’m disappointed it took a month and a half and a root canal to get it,” he added, “but we did get the answer.”
Later, on the Senate floor, Sen. Paul addressed Holder’s letter: “So it has taken a while, but we got an explicit answer. I am pleased that we did and I think the entire battle was worth while.”
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neverending
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:20pmTypical flippant, arrogant response from the commie. Not much assurance anyway since we know barry boy never found a law he wanted to abide by.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:26pmLooks like eric holder is more conservative than McCain and Graham
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RIDEMODELS
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:28pmYep…..But he can cobble together a band of merry men off of Broadway/MSLSD to fight in a foreign war and have Crisspy Kream lead the merry men into battle, since the Patriots out here are nothing more than Drone Targets.
I can see a Koren Nuke hitting Washington from my house….That does not sound so funny now does it.
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redfish52
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:31pmHe asked you the same question during the hearing to which you went into your “hypothetical ” situation mode….can you not think for yourself? Did you have to go ask “Daddy” what your answer should be? You are a disgrace to your office and yes I’m going to pull the race card here…you only got the position because you are a shade darker than the POTUS.
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CatB
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:34pmSens. McCain and Graham appeared in the Senate gallery to criticize Rand Paul. #StandWIthRand pic.twitter.com/6LdRVSkvOG
I am so sick of Obama and his REGIME … and these RINOs .. I hope the link works to the pic.
Obviously in the light of day .. #StandWithRand worked!
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Polarized America
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:35pm.
..Paul just gave a tv interview and said he was satisfied with this letter ..wth
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moreoilplease
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:38pmThe only way they can play it is to lightly insinuate that it was a ridiculous question to begin with. If he had just given a straight forward answer to begin with Rand wouldn’t have been able, politically, to filibuster and highlight constitutional abuse. So, glad Holder is a weasel in this case.
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kadster01
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:53pmYou know those libs…. They ALWAYS tell the truth….
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Walkabout
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 3:17pmThis letter by Holder shows that he is guilty.
This letter should have come 1st not the TRIAL BALLOON that they lofted.
Rand Paul was on the Rush Limbaugh show where he laid it all out. It made sense.
Someone in combat in the U.S. or elsewhere you can take out.
Someone not engaged in combat in the U.S. you try to arrest if they are a U.S. citizen.
You do not go General Janet Reno on their @$$ when you have an opportunity to arrest.
P.S.
General Janet Reno once held imperium.
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83plus
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 3:26pmThank Senator Rand Paul and those who joined him. Well done.
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Ben__Franklin
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 3:32pmThat is no “Victory” Rand. Holder specifically said “Non-Combative” American. Who decides which Americans are “Combative” on US soil? Whats the criteria for being “Combative”? Nothing has changed Rand.
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000degrees
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 3:33pmMcCain and Graham have got to go. What use are you to freedom loving people?????
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@leftfighter
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 3:33pmI call bulls**t!
Holder understood the question full well when it was originally asked. This is merely an after-the-fact attempt to discredit him… to marginalize and by extension, all of us, and make all of us look insane.
Here are the facts, 9-12/tea partiers:
-We’re repeatedly called terrorists by groups like the Southern Poverty Law Center, whose members weed their way into government during Dem Administrations.
-We’ve had the heads of the DOJ & DHS stop just short of calling us terrorists.
-The state of Missouri has issued a report over concerns that we’re terrorists.
-The President has literally called us an enemy at a La Raza conference.
-The President and his Dems are doing everything they can to disarm us.
-The President has a nasty habit of turning people he deems enemies and considers terrorists into half cooked hamburger via drone strikes.
Maybe I’m reading more into those facts than is actually there, but I don’t particularly want to give him the power to kill and run the risk I was wrong all along.
Would you?
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Silvertruth
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 3:40pmHe should be satisfied, he got an unqualified answer from a direct WH supplicant. Holder made the answer to save the President the embarrassment but now the WH is subject to Holders response.
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encinom
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 3:52pmHolder should have never sent the letter to Senator Tin Foil Hat Paul.
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RedHarley
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 3:54pmCall or email the GOP and let them know tha tyou are DONE supporting these RINO’s.
That is the first thing I did after hearing McCain and Graham. Dessert after dinner last night was Obama allowing them to kiss his sweet azz.
Disgusting pair of useful idiots.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 3:57pmI still love rand paul but ron paul would have said “NO” to drones in america
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rickc34
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 4:04pmOnly a fool would trust Obama or Holder not to use drones to kill American citizens on American soil. Obama believes he is above all laws , both God and mans laws. He will kill anyone he thinks is a threat against his rule just like Hitler, Stalin to name a few.
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redfish52
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 4:25pm@Soy….I voted for McCain and am now ashamed of myself…I now wish I had voted for Obama….with him I knew what I would get. This is going to come back on them ten fold. The only chance we have in 2016 is to run a completely off the chart Conservative….its obvious that running Moderates as we have in the last two election was a complete FUBAR.
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redfish52
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 4:26pmOh and by the way…just because Holder put it in writing its supposed to mean something….give me a break.
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DeniseJ
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 4:28pmWhat I want to know, how does this response make endorsing Brennan a good idea??? He likes the islamofascists and thinks jihad is good………..now we give him control of all secrets and secret ops……I see Benghazi over and over again!!!
“UPDATE: Following the release of Holder’s letter, Sen. Paul said that he is satisfied with the White House’s response and that he will end his objection to the nomination of John Brennan as director of the Central Intelligence Agency.”
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redfish52
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 4:29pmOh hey Encinom….how are you you wacky Progressive…..I’ve got a little project to do this weekend. Could you please return all my tools..that is if you and Miss. Snap-on are done with them…thanks.
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PATTY HENRY
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 4:35pmNO!!!!! DUMB A HOLDER: THE ANSWER IS: THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS SWORN to up hold the Constitution of the United States and to follow the RULE OF LAW as laid out in the 5th Amendment. The President of the United States NEVER has the right to target any individual, especially any AMERICAN individual anywhere in the world, especially on AMERICAN SOIL to be killed on his own authority unless that individual was actively participating in any act which would harm any American in any way. The President would authorize the capture of this individual to be held for questioning. In the case of one or more individuals actively participating in actions that would cause harm to anyone/thing in the USA, the President can order the Military to stop them in the fastest way possible.
WE DO NOT GIVE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES THE RIGHT TO BE JUDGE/JURY/EXECUTIONER….. do you have any idea how dangerous that power in one man’s hand is???
HOLDER STILL DID NOT answer the question satisfactorily. and for that TWIT CARNEY: WE have every right to stop anyone trying to HARM the USA… can we go arrest Obama now? Then Holder?
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Anadara
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 5:34pm@leftfighter. My your lord-god, Obama send a hellfire missle into your occupied outhouse.
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Anadara
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 5:39pmencinom… Should you choose to move to North Korea, where all of your liberal dreams have already come true, I’ll personally buy you a one-way ticket. BTW… You are still a trolling buffoon.
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SamIamTwo
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 5:50pmHow many man hours did this one issue take to resolve…talk about big gov’t waste. Holder should reimburse me for my time and effort. I told everyone on the net that he would need amend his original opinion. LOL
I did.
What a bunch of jerks…can’t answer a bloody simple question…weeks ago…tired of this admin. And then McCain and Graham make such asshat statements…dang they have to go. You do not attack your own bloody party members…a wedge has been placed deeply into the hear to the party now.
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ltb
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 5:54pmREDFISH52 wrote: “He asked you the same question during the hearing to which you went into your ‘hypothetical’ situation mode….can you not think for yourself? Did you have to go ask ‘Daddy’ what your answer should be?”
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No, they had to take an overnight poll first.
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pantokrator
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 6:17pmWhile we all know the White House is just telling us what we want to hear, we can now rest assure that we have these tyrants on record saying out-right that they are not allowed to deliberately kill American citizens, and Rand made sure the entire country heard this. So when they break this rule, they’ve gone against their word, and there’s no way to spin it. The country will, hopefully, see these people for the corrupt, tyrannical bastards they really are.
So there’s no way Obama can spin this against us, and if he can, it’s going to take time and work. We’ve essentially handed him a whole new mess to deal with.
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sxsummers
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 6:56pmDefine imminent threat. Reminds me of Clinton… define “oral sex”.
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Jimbo65
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 7:01pmSnarky and insulting letter with an “engaged in combat” standard so vague you could twist it to cover a whole lotta activities.
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Mil Mom
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 7:38pm@neverending
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:20pm
Typical flippant, arrogant response from the commie. Not much assurance anyway since we know barry boy never found a law he wanted to abide by.
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Although your points are well founded, now we have a legal opinion from the USAG in writing and even Prince Harry would have to admit a violation of it is an Impeachable Offense.
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SUNTZU
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 7:45pmA. Hitler sent a letter to Stalin
Germany would never invade Russia
How did that end.
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Mil Mom
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 7:52pm@soybomb315_II
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 3:57pm
I still love rand paul but ron paul would have said “NO” to drones in america
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But Rand Paul was able to get the message out of what’s going on with the Drones to the entire world, and get support from the same without sounding like the blithering idiot mcshame and grahmcrackers are trying to paint him as today. The libs are being forced to admit they don’t really support this civil right to life, or will have to STAND WITH RAND!
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yiska8
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 8:09pmComing from Holder his answer “No”… means Yes.
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Rileydj
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 8:34pmThat’s the most words this idiot can put together on one topic. But then he is one of kimJungObamas chosen ones, so what should we expect?
Like Biden and Kerry – totally unqualified, anti American, and cowards,
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ONLY4UANDME
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 9:02pmFinally spit out the answer or damage control and no more.
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smokie
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 10:37pmNow we’re left to wonder what Holder means by ‘combat’- speaking out against Der Jugears Regime?
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subic
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 11:03pmI would pay hard earned money to see holder swinging from a short end of a rope.
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subic
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 11:14pmencinom aka miss bossy poopy pants, you want some whine with that cheese? waaa waaa
I would pay heard earned money to see Holder swinging from the short end of a rope.
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Keatonc333
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:18amso.. if this letter means nothing to you.. then rand paul’s filibuster was completely useless right?
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shift
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:15amThis all seems rather ridiculous to me that Rand Paul is even setting precedent by asking Eric Holder to define what the law is, we already know the law as the constitution defines it and that in this country you may not imprison or kill any citizen without due process unless they are actively engaged in dangering someone else’s life.
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Obama_In_PeePee_By_Zee_Arteeest_Beck
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 3:08am“(UPDATED) Eric Holder’s New Letter to Sen. Rand Paul: Here’s Your Answer … ‘So it has taken a while, but we got an explicit answer. I am pleased that we did and I think the entire battle was worth while.’ ”
Battle? Call that a battle? America is being taken down all around us … and YOU call THAT a BATTLE?
Well thanks for the puppet show. Now, everyone in Washington DC, go back to chopping away at the supports under America.
We want SOMEONE TO SAVE America? That someone to do the saving must be … YOU!
“America’s DESTRUCTION By TRAITORS In GOVERNMENT! YOU Must Be The Hero!! Glenn Beck’s Plan Of Action”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsgYN4lDNQY
“Washington’s DELIBERATE ECONOMIC EARTHQUAKE Exposed By Glenn Beck :: Then ReBOOT USA To Communism!”
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FlamingFartSyndrome
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 3:37amDont underestimate the average level of knowledge amongst the american public
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EP46
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 5:00amSo right…..Judge says not worth paper it is written on…that Holder can have Assistant write 1000 page Brief that nullifies his ‘letter’ to Sen Paul and the public will never know.
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old white guy
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 5:48amdefine the word “combat” in relation to holder’s letter. like clinton and other dems definitions tend to be different than what we think they are ie. trying to parse the word “is”.
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jblaze
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 6:18amYou now have it in writing, the President will NOT uphold the Constituion if at anytime the people of the US excercize their 2nd amendment right and take up arms against a tyrannical government. Impeach Now. It is your last chance.
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poorrichard09
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 8:09amJust what constitutes “combat” to these fascists? A tea party, anti-tax rally? A pro 2nd Amendment rally? Answer: it is whatever they say it is.
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SLAPTHELEFT
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:20pmLeft fighter- well played Sir. Well played.
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glassbeadlady
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 8:06pmPaul said all the things that Americans have been begging answers for since this idiot got in office
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gramma b
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:20pmSo what does “engaged in combat” mean? And what does “imminent threat” mean? If Obama decides that some American miltia group is about to do something, can he take them out with a drone?
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CatB
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:35pmSeems we may still need some clarification doesn’t it.
At least he did confirm that they knew about the filibuster .. unlike the TEA Parties they couldn’t see .. IN D.C.
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truthnstuff
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:38pmExactly. This letter means absolutely nothing and this regime will do whatever they want, lie about it, and no one will call them on it.
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walnutportconservative
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:47pmI agree with that question. It is just another question to add to a list. We live in a time where the definitions to words are being altered. I am a conservative… heck most of the readers of the Blaze can’t define that term… conservative. Hey, that word… Drone? That’s kind of a queer word.
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Cavallo
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:50pmSince redundancy is a trademark of Washington, maybe Paul and Cruz can introduce legislation outlining what can and cannot be done with government drones in US Airspace?
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Dismayed Veteran
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 3:03pmGrammaB
Don’t worry. Holder has taken a play from Clinton’s book. It all depends on what the definition of “is” is.
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VaARNG_Guardsman
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 4:00pm….but if you are engaged in “combat,” your **** is toast. Just like other Americans oversees not connected in direct combat, got DRONED!
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qsmxpilot
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 7:10pmI’m thinking most of you are missing one point. A few have managed to remind us that he didn’t mention the Constitution at all. But what about the word “on”, or the phrase “on American soil”. What does that modify? He cherry-picked the question and has managed to answer it so he can claim later it said something different.
Did he interpret the question as “Does the President have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American” on American soil? Answer: “No”, because he was not engaged in combat.
Or was he answering the question as “Does the President have the authority to kill an American” while the american is not on American soil”? Answer “No”, The President is not authorized to kill an American not on American soil.
Both questions can be inferred from the language. But with the killing of Alwacki, he’s already done one. And when someone calls the WH out on it, they are going to choose the OTHER phraseology and claim THAT is what is meant.
I think there’s still enough wiggle room in the way the letter is written to state just about anything he wants to state and still claim that the president has the power to kill Americans in some situations without due process.
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maggiepie
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:20pmThat letter should say NO to anytime without due. We as Americans have the right to be charged, know what those charges are, have legal representation and a trial by peers. Nothing more and nothing less. Obama wants to play “God.” Being president is a game to him not the job of being a
leader. He just wants everything his way.
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mikem1969
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:30pmIt means that when WE THE PEOPLE exercise our 2nd amendment rights against tyranny, WE THE PEOPLE WILL BECOME THE clear and present danger to Tyranny and the tyrant in chief will then order us killed. BRING IT.
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Tom K
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:41pm@ MIKEM1969 : That means that Americans should down EVERY DRONE – whether they are an imminent threat or an immediate threat, just in case.
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VRW Conspirator
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 3:18pmTrust the military…I don’t think the Air Force officers in charge of the drones will open up on US citizens unless there is armed civil unrest AND the police can’t or won’t respond to stop it…. and if the police won’t respond…then that means they would probably be on the side of the armed civil unrest…which means most of the military would join as well…..
lots of “ifs” but we can only pray that the rank and file military will not obey orders to fire on US citizens….besides…we out number them 300 to 1
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willost
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:16pmI stand with Senator Paul!
To the loons who post in opposition, I suggest you leave now.
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dwf1
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:24pmHolder still will not say or write “Constitution”
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RIDEMODELS
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:24pmAnd we can trust that…….How does this president think that any heterosexual man would take up arms against another country to fight for his freedom…just so he can call us traitors and use us as Drone Targets….Liberal weed heads better fear that this power may be the option for future conservative presidents….weed head liberals beware…this would certainly be a Buzz Kill…haha
I think North Korea and their Nuke project is a much bigger problem right now……the gay president can go grab all of the homos off of Broadway/MSLSD and try to assemble an Army with them….bwahahaha…..I am sure they can handle a rifle…haha
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redfish52
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:34pmI agree….I live in South Carolina and I am hoping for a major backlash against Lindsey Gramnesty.
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CatB
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:51pm@REDFISH
I think you are getting your wish … trending on twitter now
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Cavallo
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:56pm@Red, Don’t hold your breath. RINOs really know how to make sure they are dug in deep.
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Locked
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:15pm“However, Carney added that “if the United States were under attack, there were an imminent threat [emphasis added],” then the president would have the authority to order military action to repel said threat.
So, although Carney claims the White House’s answer to Sen. Paul’s question is a “No,” it sounds like we still haven’t escaped “imminent” versus “immediate” purgatory.”
US Attorney General > Press Secretary. Question is answered; the answer is no.
Great job, Rand Paul! Made me smile to see someone stick to his guns and receive a clear answer (for once!).
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:32pmExactly. He clearly put their back against the wall, and to continue to stonewall and not answer clearly only made Team Obama look worse and worse with each passing moment. He literally put them on the ropes and gave them no choice but to issue this letter. Right the hell on! :)
Unfortunately, if they follow their normal playbook, this means that Rand will be targeted for character assassination the likes of which will stun even the jaded observer. Obama doesn’t like to be confronted or opposed. The game, I’m afraid, has just begun.
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RIDEMODELS
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:35pmThis is why I chose to eat at certain American owned corporations…..If I see some place that looks out of place……I do not eat there….I am sure the rest of America is much the same way.
I would like to see an army of Broadway merry men and Crispy Kream as the leader…..That is your front line now, since you deem the Patriots targets. Thanks for using the Constitution as toilet paper.
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Locked
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:44pm@Jefferson
Quite right. Personally, I love forward to seeing Rand Paul’s next moves – and how coverage of his actions differs depending on the media source reporting on them.
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mrunner
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:49pmAgreed! I would have love to have seen the letter state unequivacally that “The President does not have the the Constitutional authority…” but there is no way that weasel Holder could bring himself to admit it that concisely. Always leave a little wiggle room when you are a worm…
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rzraick
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 2:48amThe biggest problem is that there is too much wiggle room, even though it was a victory for Rand Paul. But at least he backed Holder into a wall and he had to say something. The strategy had been to spin the filibuster as “a Republican troublemaker causing a delay in government”. But that didn’t really work. But in the mind of the tyrant, he believes that he is the country, so anyone who opposes him is a combatant. At least he can claim that his opposition is deemed a terrorist.
The rift in our divided country is huge. Each side passionate about their philosophy and dogma.
The split is very near center and does not constitute a mandate, but only a slim majority. The margin is so small that both sides know it could easly reverse.
How to label this contest. Obama vs. his opposition? (no, too vague) Or The U.S. vs the potential terrorists? (not exactly acurate). How about the Tyrants vs. the Patriots. That’s more accurate (and it has the added benefit of sounding like a football game.)
While this rift could stay in a state of equalibrium for a long time, neither side wants that. So what is more likely one side or the other will push too hard. If the tyrants push too far, the patriots will revolt. If the patriots push too far, the tyrants will become fearfull and will attack, either way it will escalate into full blown revoution.
We are in for it either way.
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woodyee
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:14pmIf not the President, then who?
Why am I not satisfied with Holder’s answer? Could it be a healthy dose of cynicism backed by Holder’s lack of restraint when arming Narco-terrorists via Op. Fast n Furious? Could it be his refusal to answer a straight Yes or No on the record during questioning?
You’ve got to be VERY cautious when it comes to dealing with commie-DemonicRats.
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kapnkd
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:39pmGood point! …Holder did NOT specify if it could/would be another DEMONcRAT!
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Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:13pmWow, so that is the extreme you have to go through to get a clear answer from this administration. I dread to see what we have to do to get Big Sis to directly answer a question.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:28pmThreaten one of her girlfriends?
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Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 3:16pmHey RJJ:
How did you like the Meth addict/liberal analogy? I honestly think that is why they are so angry, if everyone would just go along with them, we would have a utopian society.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 3:41pmDARMOK, LOL it made a lot of sense to me. Hehehe, yeah it will be like all of the other Utopian societies where so many will just have to be murdered….for the sake of…..
We would be far better off had Sir Thomas More never existed.
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azitdad
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:12pmRight. Good to know, Mr. Holder. When will you be declaring war on the American people? We know you are gearing up for it. We know it’s coming you lying sack of crap. Unless you unleash the full might of our military on the American people, you will loose.
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CCRYDER
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:14pmWell said and right on!
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Stoic one
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:24pmI would replace CRAP with TIHS spelled in reverse.
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virgie morgan
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:26pmDidn’t obama already declare in an executive order that American is a battleground? I think he did that about the same time he signed order to arrest and detain American citizens indefinately.
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banjarmon
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:30pmWE the PEOPLE out number the military, We just don’t have the weapons to defeat them! I pray that if that day comes, the ones that have taken the OATH to protect the Constitution, will do so, and have the good since to know who the Enemy of the nation is!
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justangry
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:37pm@virgie morgan, It wasn’t an EO, but slipped into the yearly defense spending bill by McCain and Graham and a couple of dems at the request of Obama. In the 2013 defense spending bill Paul and fellow civil libertarians added language to protect us (Feinstein Amendment). It passed the Senate but the language protecting us was stripped in committee before being sent to the head Bolshevik in charge for signature.
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NV Patriot
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 4:22pmWell said, however he is not going to try and use or military, he has his new domestic force just as well funded and equipped called the DHS, armed with billions of rounds of ammunition, drone aircraft and MRAP vehicles. I hope everybody will look up their senator and ask a strongly worded question as to why they did not participate in the defense of our constitution and our citizens IV, V and VI amendment rights. Dean Heller received my letter, no response yet, will probably just receive the form letter anyway.
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huey6367
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:11pmThat was a rather snide sounding, unprofessional response. I think Senator Paul is getting under his skin. Short and to the point but it doesn’t have that typical political sound to it.
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Gonzo
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:24pmEverything that comes out of Holders mouth is snide, same goes for his boss.
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huey6367
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:32pmWithout question.
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Cavallo
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:46pmPetulant is a word that comes to mind.
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Gonzo
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 3:04pmEven better.
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Mr.Fitnah
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:11pmYou can trust Eirc holder.
He is anti American racists.
Im becoming increasingly anti america myself .
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DLV
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:16pmto the point of yelling allahu Akbar?
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progressiveslayer
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:19pmI’m anti new Amerika,I’d prefer the real America that our founders gave us only to be destroyed by intellectual inferiors ie progressives/communist POS candy@ss freaks.
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EQUALIZER
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:10pmI think Mr. Goodstuff should move in with Lindsey Graham, together they would have a ball.
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TexPenn
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:18pmAgreed!
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SpankDaMonkey
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:10pm.
“Does the president have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on an American soil,” “The answer to that question is ‘DUCK.’”
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Locked
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:16pm@Spank
“The answer to that question is ‘DUCK.’”
What a fowl response!
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gyro
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:27pmdefine combat ?
no one has defined combat
And why is there a red target painted on your house roof ?
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:32pmSPANKY, That is about the size of it. Looks as though LOCKED is walking and talking like……
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SpankDaMonkey
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 3:56pm.
@RJJ
Like his ears are touching……
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Rayblue
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 6:58pm“Duck”? Closer to your temperament would be “Ostrich”.
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SciPro
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:10pmFinally .. a straight answer! … Why was that so hard to get out of Holder? … Still, any President in these days, when jihadists and others have an interest in attacking peaceful Americans on their own soil, must use every legal means of protecting the land … And that can be a challenge .. I can see where Obama or Holder didn’t like to be limited … If only we could trust .. Obama and his administration to hold to the constitution, questions like this would never come up … Thanks Rand Paul ..
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virgie morgan
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:38pmNo doubt they are lying anyway. I don’t know why it took them so long to come out and lie about it because everyone knows when bozo wants to kill Americans with drones he will do so and dare you to do anything about it, in which case most American citizens will just get on facebook and complain or just remain silent and play farmville some more. The trouble with this country is not the crooked politicians, we’ve always had those, but the American people are too lazy to give a flying crap about their own freedom. It’s a shame that our men and women in the military over out there fighting for our protection and freedoms while the ones here at home are letting the politicians get by with taking every freedom and right we have away from us. Our military is very liable to come home and find a country full of lazy no goods and they may not have a problem with firing on them anymore when they see how we have appreciated their sacrifice by not holding up our end of the fight. We sit back and cry for our military to come home and save us…we need to get up off the couch and save ourselves and help our military. That’s the way it was always done before. Now nobody cares what obama does as long as the checks keep coming in the mail and the food stamps and we dont’ have to interupt our lives for standing up for the country…what!!!! We voted right! Too bad that is where it ends for most people, vote then let them do whatever they want. I am ashamed of my countrymen!!
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Tom K
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 3:04pm@ SCIPRO ” Remember that Eric Holder is STILL being held In Contempt of the Congress – a formal charge, but our contemptuous Congress has not bothered to move on Holder’s case. AND of course, President Obama is STILL under a Federal Court Order to lift the ban on drilling for oil in our Gulf of Mexico. Senators McCain and Graham COULD be moving on those cases instead of wasting America’s Time trying to down-play Senator Paul’s GREAT VICTORY.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 3:13pm@Virgie
Not a bad post, though I do take exception with “out there fighting for our freedoms”. The last time the military fought for my freedoms was during WW2. Everything since then has been little more than military adventurism. In other words, had we not invaded Iraq, or Vietnam, or Korea, we’d be as “free” today as if we had.
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TRILO
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 9:27pmAre you kidding. Straight answer! Did you actually read the letter? He clearly stated that the law would not apply to anyone who is not engaged in COMBAT. Please define combat. I hate to break it to you but the NDAA that Congress passed (with most republicans in support) and the President signed, classified the United States as a battleground. Therefore combat would not be too hard of a charge to make. The radio operator, cook, medic etc is just as much engaged in “combat” as the soldier with the gun.
Plus people must also realize that the term terrorist is a vague definition as well. This letter is just as vague and meaningless as his previous statements.
Rand should not have accepted this letter. I do not accept this letter. Anyone who does accept this letter is a fool. The fools in this country support drones overseas and one day soon they will be pointed inward.
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progressiveslayer
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:09pmMr.sham president do you reserve the right to kill your political opponents with a drone strike or jacked up on steroids crazed jack booted thugs?
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KevINtampa
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:09pm#StandWithRand
Eric Holder is a 1st class feminine hygiene product.
#StillStandingWithRand
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:33pmKEVINTAMPA, You’ve got to be right. All of that vinegar explains his sour puss.
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OldSurfRat
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 3:00pmLOL Guys
Both of you had great comments.
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tonypro
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:09pm“” However, Carney added that “if the United States were under attack, there were an imminent threat [emphasis added],” then the president would have the authority to order military action to repel said threat. “”
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Let me rephrase this, and put it in context.
However, Carney added that , ” If any Tea Party members, or patriots, or Christians, to include those annoying Constitutionalists tick us off bad enough, we will use force against them. After all, they have already been tagged as domestic terrorist. ”
holder is just another treasonous traitor in the gov. and he can bite me.
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afvetfirewoman
Posted on March 9, 2013 at 9:47amRecommend everyone re-read/review the DHS Terrorist Watch List as published by Napoiltano. We are all on it, in one fashion or another. Retired/former military were #4 on the list a few years ago. Own a registered weapon? You’re on it.
This morning’s FD chat, after roll call, was how we can circle our wagons. For most of us, this is the first time in our lives that we are ashamed of ourselves – for not getting involved sooner. IF 2014 goes with the present RINOs and more left – you won’t be able to construct a Levin-style bunker fast enough. Time for action is NOW.
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LakeHartwellSailor
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:09pmThat is NOT a good enough answer. They left the door wide open to kill Americans on US Soil without due process. Obama and Holder have essentially declared war on US Citizens with this answer in my opinion.
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progressiveslayer
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:29pmThey did and to even ask a question like that tells you how far we’ve descended to a police state.You mention due process? This regime with the so called constitutional scholar at the helm knows nothing about due process,with warrantless wiretaps and indefinite detention he has reduced this country to a banana republic.
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OldSurfRat
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:08pmWTF took so long??
They had to think about it?????
Great Job by Mr Paul and all that helped.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:24pmOLDSURFRAT, They needed the time to make the answer seem so vague. Its really a non-answer answer.
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galaxie_man
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:08pmWhew! I can rest easy now. Thank you Mr. Holder.
One additional question…….is the president aware of this?
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term limits for congress
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:07pmYes, we know how that works. Shoot first and classify it ‘combat situation’ afterwards.
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tarpon
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 3:19pmYes, term limit them all.
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Mrstirfry99
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:07pmHolder disgusts me.
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Carrie3570
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:06pmIt has come to your attention? lol ~ That’s too funny!
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progdrum
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:09pmTook him long enough…
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Voter713
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:05pmlol
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GoodStuff
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:05pmRand voted for Kerry, Hagel and Lew.
He’s a fraud. And you fools follow him.
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Triple7
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:11pmYou’re simple.
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TexPenn
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:19pmTroll Much? Get Lost..
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TheIggies
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:24pmHe’s going to vote for Brennan, too. He already said he would.
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CatB
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 3:00pmHe used those votes .. to promote the filibuster .. see I am not against Obama … but we need clarification … it was PERFECTLY played by Rand … picked his battle.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 3:18pm@Catb
Yeah. The marching orders for the progressives right now is to try to divide the right/libertarians. Expect nothing but these kinds of tactics for a while.
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GoodStuff
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:04pmRand kook Paul is sad. Take your perm back to Kentucky Rand.
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ArmedAndReallyPissed
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:10pmWay to tell him……….You Commie
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sta
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:16pmAnti-Curl bigot.
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DLV
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:17pmGoodstuff- Get off this website! You’re a rhino.
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